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Taco John
01-27-2010, 12:32 AM
...should they be stopped? In order to drop the prices this low, Apple is going to have to get aggressive with vendors and force them to cut into their own profit. They will, of course, want to pass those cuts onto someone else in order to maintain their profit margin.

How does the progressive model fit here? How can we fix this "problem" so that vendors are able to keep the Apple channel open to them without having Apple dictate to them?

Taco John
01-27-2010, 12:32 AM
http://mashable.com/2010/01/26/apple-itunes-tv-price/

Silock
01-27-2010, 02:07 AM
Why is this a problem, again?

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 07:07 AM
My problem with Walmart is that the are aggressive with vendors so they can put mom and pop's stores out of business.

In this case that doesn't exist. I could probably watch alot of these episodes on Hulu or if I wanted to I could record the shows off my TV and pay nothing. Or I could use the Intranet and download via torrents for free.

Personally I think anyone is stupid for paying .99 cents for TV shows there are other legal avenues where you can see these for free.

petegz28
01-27-2010, 07:48 AM
Bad analogy.....bad.

BucEyedPea
01-27-2010, 07:50 AM
My problem with Walmart is that the are aggressive with vendors so they can put mom and pop's stores out of business.
You want to pay double for everything instead? How bout a hand-made shirt by a local artisan for $500? Then we can go back to pre-Industrial Revolution days when only Kings and nobility could change their clothes daily.

petegz28
01-27-2010, 07:57 AM
This is not the same as Wal-Mart. Sorry, not even close. Wal-Mart's abuses go way beyond simple negotiations with vendors.

BucEyedPea
01-27-2010, 07:58 AM
Here we go again with the romanticism and emotionalism.

petegz28
01-27-2010, 08:00 AM
Here we go again with the romanticism and emotionalism.

Say what you will, but the fact is Wal-Mart's abuses are well beyond the OP.

BucEyedPea
01-27-2010, 08:03 AM
Embrace change.
No, not change in ideas on political power and the nature or man.....change in other areas.

oldandslow
01-27-2010, 08:21 AM
Here we go again with the romanticism and emotionalism.

so says the queen of the disciples of the invisible hand...romanticism indeed :)

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 08:23 AM
You want to pay double for everything instead? How bout a hand-made shirt by a local artisan for $500? Then we can go back to pre-Industrial Revolution days when only Kings and nobility could change their clothes daily.

How about we just walk around naked?

Cannibal
01-27-2010, 08:24 AM
Does Apple outsource overseas for slave like labor like Walmart? If they do and they are engaging in this I may just have to boycott them to.

Cannibal
01-27-2010, 08:25 AM
Althought I don't own a single Apple product anyway.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 08:25 AM
Does Apple outsource overseas for slave like labor like Walmart? If they do and they are engaging in this I may just have to boycott them to.

I am pretty sure all their devices are made in China like everything else

Cannibal
01-27-2010, 08:29 AM
I am pretty sure all their devices are made in China like everything else

I'm sick of it.

BucEyedPea
01-27-2010, 08:30 AM
so says the queen of the disciples of the invisible hand...romanticism indeed :)

So you got nuthin' but adhominem today? Thank you for admitting I've won the argument at least versus you today.

Don't believe I ever used the word "invisible hand" that's sounds like a socialist's take on my views because they believe in a Moses-type leader. I don't believe in such things.

BucEyedPea
01-27-2010, 08:31 AM
How about we just walk around naked?

Then you'd need some sort of temperature device to stay warm especially up where you are. Me, I'm in paradise and I already do that most of the year including in my pool.
Needless to say I won't make you feel bad showing how my wardrobe bill has dropped. 'F WalMart...although I'd not buy clothes from there anyway.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 08:33 AM
Then you'd need some sort of temperature device to stay warm especially up where you are. Me, I'm in paradise and I already do that most of the year including in my pool.
Needless to say I won't make you feel bad showing how my wardrobe bill has dropped. 'F WalMart...although I'd not buy clothes from there anyway.

I was just hoping you would keep me warm

BucEyedPea
01-27-2010, 08:33 AM
I am pretty sure all their devices are made in China like everything else

Most of the other manufactures are having things made in China.
Most of the other stores sell it too. It's NOT just WalMart.
In fact I almost joined the club thinking of a design-product I could market and by having it made in China it would have made it easier too. Then someone came out with it before me. Dayum!

BucEyedPea
01-27-2010, 08:34 AM
I was just hoping you would keep me warm

I wouldn't be enough. Besides, I'm frigid up north....but not here.

KC native
01-27-2010, 08:36 AM
analogy fail. That being said I'm no Apple fan boy. Their products are a lot of hype with a huge premium attached.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 08:37 AM
I wouldn't be enough. Besides, I'm frigid up north....but not here.

Oh I am sure you would be

oldandslow
01-27-2010, 08:37 AM
So you got nuthin' but adhominem today? Thank you for admitting I've won the argument at least versus you today.

Don't believe I ever used the word "invisible hand" that's sounds like a socialist's take on my views because they believe in a Moses-type leader. I don't believe in such things.

Just pokin' a stick BEP. You know I like you. We will never agree about becoming wage and debt slaves to corporate overlords.

At one time you could vote out the govt every couple of years, but that has changed...now we get to pick corporate candidates, thanks to the SCOTUS.

Adam Smith came up with the idea of the invisible hand, btw, not some left wing romantic moonbat.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 08:37 AM
analogy fail. That being said I'm no Apple fan boy. Their products are a lot of hype with a huge premium attached.

They make good products and they are supposed to be announcing their new tablet today IIRC so I am interested in what they have.

KC native
01-27-2010, 08:42 AM
They make good products and they are supposed to be announcing their new tablet today IIRC so I am interested in what they have.

Yes their products are solid however the same things that their products do can be achieved with other products for a much lower cost.

I'm interested in the tablet too. I'm curious to see what size the screen is and what it's specs are. I wonder where it is going to fit in their product line and how they are going to market it.

wild1
01-27-2010, 08:43 AM
I am pretty sure all their devices are made in China like everything else

A company called Hon Hai (aka Foxconn) does a lot of their manufacturing in the Shanghai region, though it is a Taiwanese company. They produce all the Macbooks, iPods, and iPhones. (understandable, it's just basic fabrication and assembly I'm sure.)

Most of their products say "Designed in California" in the packaging that comes with them, if that makes you feel better.

Cannibal
01-27-2010, 08:43 AM
Just pokin' a stick BEP. You know I like you. We will never agree about becoming wage and debt slaves to corporate overlords.

At one time you could vote out the govt every couple of years, but that has changed...now we get to pick corporate candidates, thanks to the SCOTUS.

Adam Smith came up with the idea of the invisible hand, btw, not some left wing romantic moonbat.

I pretty much agree with you eventhough it may seem exaggerated at this point we seem to be moving in that direction. With both the R's and D's beholden to corporations, in time the goverments will no longer be governments of people with a national identity, they will be corporate governments.

BucEyedPea
01-27-2010, 08:45 AM
Just pokin' a stick BEP. You know I like you. We will never agree about becoming wage and debt slaves to corporate overlords.
What makes you think I believe in that? I don't. They can only do that by regulating their competition out of business and creating other barriers to entry. Or their using govt to protect them and gaurantee them markets. That takes govt for all that to happen.

At one time you could vote out the govt every couple of years, but that has changed...now we get to pick corporate candidates, thanks to the SCOTUS.
Rubbish. The Constitution by it's actual words only restrains the Federal govt from restraining speech. By that the Founder meant political speech.
Your argument is the one the socialists and communists make in this country. Sorry but that's who forwards that line.

Adam Smith came up with the idea of the invisible hand, btw, not some left wing romantic moonbat.
Yes I know but as I've posted before he made errors and it was the Austrian school that found them. I am an Austrian economics advocate.
So NEVER make the mistake that I've used those words.

Taco John
01-27-2010, 08:46 AM
I don't see an analogy fail. I see a bunch of hypocrites.

BucEyedPea
01-27-2010, 08:47 AM
Oh I am sure you would be

Tell me do you need frigid temps to keep it up? :D Like an icicle?
I could melt that fast at least.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 08:47 AM
Yes their products are solid however the same things that their products do can be achieved with other products for a much lower cost.

I'm interested in the tablet too. I'm curious to see what size the screen is and what it's specs are. I wonder where it is going to fit in their product line and how they are going to market it.

From Engadget

we can't verify any of this either, but we're told that the device will have a 10-inch screen and look like a larger iPhone with a MacBook-like aluminum back, and that pricing will run $800 on contract with Verizon and $1000 without when it arrives in March.

KC native
01-27-2010, 08:49 AM
From Engadget

Yea, I saw something else that said a 10 inch screen was unlikely due to battery issues. Like I said, I'm really curious as to what the actual specs will be.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 08:49 AM
A company called Hon Hai (aka Foxconn) does a lot of their manufacturing in the Shanghai region, though it is a Taiwanese company. They produce all the Macbooks, iPods, and iPhones. (understandable, it's just basic fabrication and assembly I'm sure.)

Most of their products say "Designed in California" in the packaging that comes with them, if that makes you feel better.

Interesting info thanks.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 08:50 AM
Tell me do you need frigid temps to keep it up? :D Like an icicle?
I could melt that fast at least.

No I can keep it up all the time...

BucEyedPea
01-27-2010, 08:51 AM
No I can keep it up all the time...

Like 4 hours? Geesh! You must be on Viagra! :evil:

Dallas Chief
01-27-2010, 01:57 PM
Does Apple outsource overseas for slave like labor like Walmart? If they do and they are engaging in this I may just have to boycott them to.

Yes they do. Designed in the USA, engineered and built overseas. All of it. It is fantastic business model that has led to their resurgance and top-o-the-heap profitability since 2001. More and more companies have followed suit. See Dell, Vizio, Samsung and on and on...

Cannibal
01-27-2010, 02:02 PM
Yes they do. Designed in the USA, engineered and built overseas. All of it. It is fantastic business model that has led to their resurgance and top-o-the-heap profitability since 2001. More and more companies have followed suit. See Dell, Vizio, Samsung and on and on...

I buy none of those products. Although it seems it will get harder and harder to avoid slave labor products.