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dirk digler
01-27-2010, 11:12 AM
Cool stuff. On Engadget live right now

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0096-rm-eng.jpg

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 11:13 AM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0097-rm-eng.jpg

DMAC
01-27-2010, 11:14 AM
I'm sure it is cool. I still like the design of the M$ one better.

Hopefully they will talk about iphone 4.0 OS.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 11:17 AM
I'm sure it is cool. I still like the design of the M$ one better.

Hopefully they will talk about iphone 4.0 OS.

I haven't seen the M$ one I might have to check it out.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 11:19 AM
I haven't seen the M$ one I might have to check it out.http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet

If this is even accurate I have no idea.

This iPad so far just looks like a big iphone.

Bane
01-27-2010, 11:24 AM
Looks pretty neat to me,but I wouldn't be interested in getting one.

Deberg_1990
01-27-2010, 11:27 AM
Looks cool....but have no idea how it is different from a latop or IPhone?

Pestilence
01-27-2010, 11:29 AM
I can't wait to see the lines to buy one of these on it's release date.

I for one won't be standing in those lines.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 11:29 AM
Man, all of these live update streams are getting pounded

Saulbadguy
01-27-2010, 11:29 AM
What's this oversized iPod touch being priced at?

88TG88
01-27-2010, 11:33 AM
This thing has been rumored for almost two years. It looks to me like a big ipod touch.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 11:35 AM
Hopefully alot will come from this. I see this being huge for business' and presentations in the future.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 11:38 AM
This thing has been rumored for almost two years. It looks to me like a big ipod touch.

I think they're teasing something here, otherwise this has been disappointing.

Fish
01-27-2010, 11:38 AM
The niche for this is too small to justify the price tag they're going to give it. It's a neat gadget, and will definitely be worth the price is some specific situations. But I can't see this catching on with any casual users....

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 11:45 AM
The niche for this is too small to justify the price tag they're going to give it. It's a neat gadget, and will definitely be worth the price is some specific situations. But I can't see this catching on with any casual users....

Same. So far, I am sticking with an ebook reader purchase.

I'm underwhelmed. Sadly.

the Talking Can
01-27-2010, 11:46 AM
live updates here

http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/

JD10367
01-27-2010, 11:51 AM
Put me in with the "what?" crowd. It's a giant iPod Touch. It's a thinner smaller laptop with no keyboard. :shrug: It might appeal to a niche market of "people who have iPods but don't have Apple desktops, and want to try a Tablet as a second computer instead of buying a traditional laptop". But they make non-Apple notebook computers which are probably a lot cheaper than what this is going to be. I don't get it.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 11:53 AM
Put me in with the "what?" crowd. It's a giant iPod Touch. It's a thinner smaller laptop with no keyboard. :shrug: It might appeal to a niche market of "people who have iPods but don't have Apple desktops, and want to try a Tablet as a second computer instead of buying a traditional laptop". But they make non-Apple notebook computers which are probably a lot cheaper than what this is going to be. I don't get it.

Well, I thought it was going to be a lot like the iPhone but I didn't expect it to literally be a blown up iPhone/Touch.

Now, if they managed to get it down to Kindle DX price $450ish, then it might be a game changer. But they won't.

And, for me, I wanted it to be a good media reader. LCD <<<<<<<<< eink. So, again, a loss for me on that front.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 11:53 AM
This would be great for traveling, but what else? I'd rather have the mobility of the iPhone, rather than the scaled up screen with that same aps. Like I said though, something more has to be coming. If not, this could have been released quite a long time ago.

Bane
01-27-2010, 11:54 AM
Put me in with the "what?" crowd. It's a giant iPod Touch. It's a thinner smaller laptop with no keyboard. :shrug: It might appeal to a niche market of "people who have iPods but don't have Apple desktops, and want to try a Tablet as a second computer instead of buying a traditional laptop". But they make non-Apple notebook computers which are probably a lot cheaper than what this is going to be. I don't get it.

I'm sure it'll be overpriced,as a Mac user,I'm very accustomed to that.I just really don't see why anyone would want one.Well maybe people who just like to have the next new thing or whatever.As far as the traveling aspect of it,my 13 inch Macbook takes up very little space and is easy to pack.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 11:56 AM
They're demoing the book reader now.

Still no mention of how it stacks up to Kindle/Nook/etc. That's the issue.

penguinz
01-27-2010, 11:56 AM
Looks like a freaking joke. Basically a 10" iPod touch.

JD10367
01-27-2010, 11:56 AM
I'm sure it'll be overpriced,as a Mac user,I'm very accustomed to that.I just really don't see why anyone would want one.Well maybe people who just like to have the next new thing or whatever.

In terms of their computers, Mac has always been pricey. In terms of their iPods, they're more pricey than MP3 players but IMO they're worth the difference. I bought an iPod Touch a few months ago (8G, $199) and I love the thing. So if the Tablet is basically the Touch with more abilities (e.g. Flash and Java) AND is cheaper than a laptop, I would definitely consider picking one up. But the "cheaper than a laptop" part is the key...

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 11:56 AM
And seriously, didn't all of the huge Mac sites know this was coming? Maybe they could have called up their hosts and asked for a little more server power for a day. It's like a fucking geocites page getting thrown on slashdot. Come on, guys...

Mr. Laz
01-27-2010, 12:00 PM
The niche for this is too small to justify the price tag they're going to give it. It's a neat gadget, and will definitely be worth the price is some specific situations. But I can't see this catching on with any casual users....
right now you are probably right but as they evolve they will end up replacing laptops completely.

i like the idea of the courier booklet ... you can read double side and you have controls that aren't in the middle of your screen.


i wish the would make the kindle 2 a booklet. it would double the screen area without increasing the size much and would allow them to make the buttons etc more user friendly.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:01 PM
For comparison, Ed Kennnedy's memoir on Apple's iBook store = 15. Amazon: 10.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 12:02 PM
right now you are probably right but as they evolve they will end up replacing laptops completely.

i like the idea of the courier booklet ... you can read double side and you have controls that aren't in the middle of your screen.this

and

this

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:02 PM
right now you are probably right but as they evolve they will end up replacing laptops completely.

i like the idea of the courier booklet ... you can read double side and you have controls that aren't in the middle of your screen.

Courier, AFAIK, is currently vaporware. Prototype, sure. But hardly near release.

Hell, think about their issue with WinMo 7 and the delays there. Microsoft is too unfocused. So I don't see courier being released any time soon.

Of course, I'd love to be wrong. Competition is always good.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:04 PM
Launching into the iWork demo, which is what -should- separate this thing from an iPhone/touch.

Deberg_1990
01-27-2010, 12:04 PM
The niche for this is too small to justify the price tag they're going to give it. It's a neat gadget, and will definitely be worth the price is some specific situations. But I can't see this catching on with any casual users....

Agreed. But i wouldnt underestimate Apples ability to sell people things they dont need.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:06 PM
The niche for this is too small to justify the price tag they're going to give it. It's a neat gadget, and will definitely be worth the price is some specific situations. But I can't see this catching on with any casual users....

I think you're more likely to see entire businesses (hospitals especially) and educational institutes adopt them than to see big usage among individuals. They're going to have to do a lot to convince biz/schools that there's more value and usefulness in these than a $250 netbook, though.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:06 PM
Launching into the iWork demo, which is what -should- separate this thing from an iPhone/touch.

Yeah, it does and it has.

Definitely the most impressive stuff yet.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:07 PM
I think you're more likely to see entire businesses (hospitals especially) and educational institutes adopt them than to see big usage among individuals. They're going to have to do a lot to convince biz/schools that there's more value and usefulness in these than a $250 netbook, though.

Textbooks is the key point for universities. That's the big market here.

Still, nothing like a Kindle version for readability though.

Bane
01-27-2010, 12:08 PM
In terms of their computers, Mac has always been pricey. In terms of their iPods, they're more pricey than MP3 players but IMO they're worth the difference. I bought an iPod Touch a few months ago (8G, $199) and I love the thing. So if the Tablet is basically the Touch with more abilities (e.g. Flash and Java) AND is cheaper than a laptop, I would definitely consider picking one up. But the "cheaper than a laptop" part is the key...

I kinda figure they're Apple's version of PC's net books.My bro has one of those lil 9 inch dell net books,and their cool I guess,but it has no disk drive and very limited power so I'm not interested in one.
I like the 13 inch laptops,but wouldn't really want to go any smaller,so the Apple tablet prob isn't gonna get my attention.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:09 PM
Textbooks is the key point for universities. That's the big market here.

Still, nothing like a Kindle version for readability though.

The problem with a Kindle, though, is in being able to work with the text as you use it. Can you annotate? can you copy and paste it and email portions of it? Can you pull it into a document for editing? Can you share it, then collaboratively edit it with others with a similar device. That's the advantages that this has over an e-reader, imo.

Ideally, this gives you the functionality and comfort of an e-reader, but the robust power of an actual computer. We'll see, though.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:10 PM
The problem with a Kindle, though, is in being able to work with the text as you use it. Can you annotate? can you copy and paste it and email portions of it? Can you pull it into a document for editing? Can you share it, then collaboratively edit it with others with a similar device. That's the advantages that this has over an e-reader, imo.

Definitely.

But if it hurts you to read it.....

Again, eink >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LCD/LED/Whatever

DMAC
01-27-2010, 12:10 PM
I just boggled my mind realizing how amazing this thing is and I'm dissapointed by it.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:11 PM
Data entry keyboard confirms my feeling that they're marketing for industrial/workplace usage.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:12 PM
Data entry keyboard confirms my feeling that they're marketing for industrial/workplace usage.

Yep. Rumors nailed it: biz/edu market.

Fish
01-27-2010, 12:12 PM
I think you're more likely to see entire businesses (hospitals especially) and educational institutes adopt them than to see big usage among individuals. They're going to have to do a lot to convince biz/schools that there's more value and usefulness in these than a $250 netbook, though.

That was my main thought. Hospitals love the tablets. But I just don't see the interest-catching "zinger" here, that would justify the higher price than existing tablets.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:12 PM
Still no wireless sync with itunes? Seriously?

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:13 PM
Yep. Rumors nailed it: biz/edu market.

Easily connecting to projectors is huge. I wish that iPhones had that... hopefully subsequent models will. That's a huge deal for me, because i have students work with their iPhones all the time. If we could throw up their screen on the smartboard/projector that would be the shit.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:14 PM
250mb of data is $15? And they call that a good plan?

LOL @ steve.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:15 PM
Pretty kickass prices on data. 250MB doesn't seem like much, but $30 a month for unlimited isn't bad.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 12:16 PM
$30 unlimited 3G data

That's gotta hurt for iPhone users. How many data fees can you get hit with? AT&T too. How will their shit network handle more 3G?

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:16 PM
250mb of data is $15? And they call that a good plan?

LOL @ steve.

Yeah, who the hell would only use $250MB of data. I suppose if you're usually on wifi when using and only rarely needing to use the 3G service... that might be okay. Would be cool if they did rollover data... heh.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 12:17 PM
"However, all of the iPad 3G models are unlocked, and they use the new GSM microSIMs.""

Does that mean other carriers could offer plans?

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:17 PM
Pretty kickass prices on data. 250MB doesn't seem like much, but $30 a month for unlimited isn't bad.

$30 unlimited 3G data

That's gotta hurt for iPhone users. How many data fees can you get hit with? AT&T too. How will their shit network handle more 3G?

Yeah the $30 unlimited is amazing. And no contract.

But, as WoodDraw points out, ATT can't handle iPhone 3G. how are they going to handle this, too?

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:19 PM
Drumrolll..... and the price is.....

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:19 PM
And there's the killer. $500.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 12:19 PM
mmmuuurrrrrrrr

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:19 PM
$499. Holy shit. Competitive!

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 12:19 PM
Starting at $499. Not bad...

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:19 PM
That was the killer app. Is there a one more thing?

the Talking Can
01-27-2010, 12:20 PM
$499

$29 for unlimited data plan

no contract

Fish
01-27-2010, 12:20 PM
Cheaper than I expected.....

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 12:21 PM
With 3G, it's $629. WTF?

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:21 PM
Yes, but no 3G unless you bump to $629.

Dunno if that's a big asterisk.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 12:21 PM
Wow $500? That is alot cheaper than I thought it would be. The rumors were $1000

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:21 PM
Ugh. Chart doesn't look so hot, though. To get a 3G model, you're going up to $629. That being said, most corporate and education uses are going to have wifi, so they probably won't need the 3G.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 12:22 PM
Really hope they say iphone 4.0 os is coming soon and it has multitasking.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:22 PM
Keyboard dock. What's up bitches? Heh.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 12:23 PM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0387-rm-eng.jpg

Ok, now that was a good idea.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 12:24 PM
I wonder if it has a horizontal and vertical dock slot?

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:24 PM
So keyboard dock. My only question is why not have the dock port on the bottom of the horizontal side. Therefore making it like a laptop...

the Talking Can
01-27-2010, 12:25 PM
heh...don't need one, but kind of want one...(never yet popped for an apple product)

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 12:25 PM
So keyboard dock. My only question is why not have the dock port on the bottom of the horizontal side. Therefore making it like a laptop...

For their supposed obsession with design, they sure seem to blow small details like this on a regular basis.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 12:25 PM
I wonder if it has a horizontal and vertical dock slot?It has to... right?

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:27 PM
For their supposed obsession with design, they sure seem to blow small details like this on a regular basis.

Well, the design is pretty sweet. But, yes, this looks like a technical snafu.

Dunno if that's really a deal breaker for people though.

Mr. Laz
01-27-2010, 12:27 PM
at my doctor's office they actually carrier around a laptop from office to office to document the visit of each patient and have a paperless history right there.

something like this would be great for them ... especially a booklet with touch screen writing.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 12:28 PM
Questions:

No multitasking?
No camera?

I wouldn't buy without those.

morphius
01-27-2010, 12:29 PM
Looks cool....but have no idea how it is different from a latop or IPhone?
It is different from a laptop in its inability to accept external storage or even as SD card, at least from what I have seen.

Bane
01-27-2010, 12:30 PM
heh...don't need one, but kind of want one...(never yet popped for an apple product)

It looks really neat,but I'd want the juiced up model.Hell I may as well get a $1199 Macbook Pro vs getting the upgraded I Pad.:eek:

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:30 PM
Questions:

No multitasking?
No camera?

I wouldn't buy without those.

No phone calls, either, evidently.

morphius
01-27-2010, 12:30 PM
at my doctor's office they actually carrier around a laptop from office to office to document the visit of each patient and have a paperless history right there.

something like this would be great for them ... especially a booklet with touch screen writing.
My kids doctor already has the tablet PC's that do exactly that.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:31 PM
Steve back for "one more thing?"

DMAC
01-27-2010, 12:33 PM
Steve back for "one more thing?"iphone 4.0 os...iphone 4.0 os...multitaskinggggggg.....cmonnnnnn

the Talking Can
01-27-2010, 12:33 PM
Steve back for "one more thing?"


funny if he said, "psyche!....we would never make an ipad, no market for it....ltr, sukrzsss"

The Rick
01-27-2010, 12:33 PM
Questions:

No multitasking?
No camera?

I wouldn't buy without those.

Also, multi-user? Can my wife use it to check her email, then me to check mine separately?

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 12:33 PM
I guess you have to start somewhere. I bet by the 3rd generation or so, this will be a much more useful product.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:34 PM
Also, multi-user? Can my wife use it to check her email, then me to check mine separately?

I would assume that it has the ability to set up different mail accounts, just like the iphone/itouch.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 12:34 PM
funny if he said, "psyche!....we would never make an ipad, no market for it....ltr, sukrzsss"

Haha, no joke. "One more thing...I'm retiring and I've sold all my stock. This iPad really is a POS, isn't it?"

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:35 PM
No multitasking IS surprising.
No camera/mic is not.
3G is a good $129 more?

Hmmm, if it had been $500 with 3G, game changer without those things.

The Rick
01-27-2010, 12:37 PM
http://www.apple.com/ipad/

Bane
01-27-2010, 12:38 PM
I guess you have to start somewhere. I bet by the 3rd generation or so, this will a much more useful product.

Yeah,I don't think I'll be test driving this one till they make some serious upgrades.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 12:38 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet

If this is even accurate I have no idea.

This iPad so far just looks like a big iphone.

Oh yeah I forgot about that one. Yeah I definitely would want that.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 12:42 PM
iphone 4.0 os...iphone 4.0 os...multitaskinggggggg.....cmonnnnnnsunuva bitch!

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:42 PM
I'd need to see this in a store before issuing judgement. I mean, yeah, this is a 1G product.

I don't know where this puts my ebook reader buying. I was game for one. Waiting for this announcement and I'm torn.

Bane
01-27-2010, 12:44 PM
I'd need to see this in a store before issuing judgement. I mean, yeah, this is a 1G product.

I don't know where this puts my ebook reader buying. I was game for one. Waiting for this announcement and I'm torn.

I will definitely go to the Apple store and check one out,but I'm really not even into the touch screen.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 12:46 PM
I'd need to see this in a store before issuing judgement. I mean, yeah, this is a 1G product.

I don't know where this puts my ebook reader buying. I was game for one. Waiting for this announcement and I'm torn.

It says it has an iBook store and the screen is probably better than the Kindle

The Rick
01-27-2010, 12:49 PM
I would assume that it has the ability to set up different mail accounts, just like the iphone/itouch.

More than just email though...calendars, contacts, bookmarks, etc. :(

AustinChief
01-27-2010, 12:49 PM
Wow.. epic fail from what I have seen.

Did they partner with Kotex for this project?

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:49 PM
It says it has an iBook store and the screen is probably better than the Kindle

The problem, as IJH will tell you, is with the backlighting. LCD (like the itouch/ipod and presumably ipad) strains the eyes in a way that e-readers screens don't. They're neutrally lit. LCDs aren't neutrally lit, and they eventually make your eyes hurt.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 12:50 PM
Wow.. epic fail from what I have seen.

Did they partner with Kotex for this project?

The worst part is how they keep selling it as a "magical" device and the most advanced technology... EVAH!!!

They've overhyped it. It might eventually measure up to the hype, but people aren't buying what they're selling at this point.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 12:51 PM
I'm just shocked there is no multitasking for the ipad. Can this OS just not handle it or something?

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:52 PM
It says it has an iBook store and the screen is probably better than the Kindle

Yeah, except they didn't mention a comparison to e-ink once. Sure they're screen beats the kindle. IT PLAYS VIDEO. IT'S COLOR.

For reading, eink >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>x10^3834 LCD/LED/ETC for long reading.

Plus, Kennedy's memoir that they showed is priced at $15. Amazon prices the same at $10.

So, still, this basically muddles it more than anything.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 12:53 PM
I'm just shocked there is no multitasking for the ipad. Can this OS just not handle it or something?

Battery life. Batteries aren't there yet.

Pre had issues with that. Of course, that's reliant on the user. But apple knows that most people are stupid. Therefore, they're waiting for battery life to increase and then they'll figure out how to do multitouch multi-tasking.

morphius
01-27-2010, 12:55 PM
It is sort of like they took the worst things to leave out from every genre of device.

It is like an ereader that isn't as easy on the eyes, cost more for 3G service, and doesn't support a simple SD card for extra storage.

It is like a netbook being small with a slow processor, yet lacks a USB connection (or even an SD card), external keyboard/mouse, hook up to a larger monitor, less usable storage, and can't run flash.

It is like an Iphone, without the phone, the camera, and the ability to fit into your pocket.

Bane
01-27-2010, 12:55 PM
I'm just shocked there is no multitasking for the ipad. Can this OS just not handle it or something?

I thought it was supposed to run Snow Leopard,if so its not on the OS.

JD10367
01-27-2010, 12:56 PM
Their stock dropped. Apparently, Wall Street was as unimpressed as most of you, LOL.

Again: a big iPod Touch that can actually do more stuff. Nice... but the price diff brings it close enough to PC tablets, notebooks, laptops, etc.,., that I doubt too many people will spring for Apple's version.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 12:56 PM
I'd need to see this in a store before issuing judgement. I mean, yeah, this is a 1G product.

I don't know where this puts my ebook reader buying. I was game for one. Waiting for this announcement and I'm torn.

Apple needs others to catch up now too. Another reason why at some point you just have to release 1G and let others innovate before moving forward.

As an example, look at this youtube video of SI on a tablet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntyXvLnxyXk

Now that's cool, and the NYT app seemed similar. Once other companies catch up, that will be cool and something that can't happen on with other readers.

The niche it would fill for me would be a great travel device. Before hopping on a plane, download a few magazines I'd normally buy. Catch up on TV or watch a movie. Land, and send an email saying you've landed. Skype with friends and family (why no camera/mic? Blah!). All the essentials (email, maps, entertainment) without the weight of a laptop.

Of course, that's the iPhone and iPod too, just smaller...

Another weird Apple development is the price lines.

iPod Touch: $199/299/399
iPad: $499/599/699 (no 3G)
Macbook: $999 on up

They're really trying to have a mobile device available at every price level.

[edit]

Looks like there is a mic, but no camera. Weird...

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 12:57 PM
The problem, as IJH will tell you, is with the backlighting. LCD (like the itouch/ipod and presumably ipad) strains the eyes in a way that e-readers screens don't. They're neutrally lit. LCDs aren't neutrally lit, and they eventually make your eyes hurt.

That makes sense.

Reaper16
01-27-2010, 12:58 PM
iPad? People in Boston won't know which Apple product the other is referring to.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 12:59 PM
iPad? People in Boston won't know which Apple product the other is referring to.ROFL

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 01:00 PM
It is sort of like they took the worst things to leave out from every genre of device.

It is like an ereader that isn't as easy on the eyes, cost more for 3G service, and doesn't support a simple SD card for extra storage.

It is like a netbook being small with a slow processor, yet lacks a USB connection (or even an SD card), external keyboard/mouse, hook up to a larger monitor, less usable storage, and can't run flash.

It is like an Iphone, without the phone, the camera, and the ability to fit into your pocket.

Yeah I am definitely not as excited as I was. Ok let's hope MS comes out with the Courier soon I am really excited about that

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:08 PM
Their stock dropped. Apparently, Wall Street was as unimpressed as most of you, LOL.

Again: a big iPod Touch that can actually do more stuff. Nice... but the price diff brings it close enough to PC tablets, notebooks, laptops, etc.,., that I doubt too many people will spring for Apple's version.

The stock would have gone down no matter what. Hype inflated it. It comes back down.


Yeah I am definitely not as excited as I was. Ok let's hope MS comes out with the Courier soon I am really excited about that

AFAIK, Courier is class A vaporware. Announced in concept (they've done this many times over the years, especially in video form).

I'm not sure why people salivate over Microsoft products until they've actually shipped them. Apple announces but ships within 3 months generally. Like clockwork. Microsoft does not.

morphius
01-27-2010, 01:09 PM
Yeah I am definitely not as excited as I was. Ok let's hope MS comes out with the Courier soon I am really excited about that
It is honestly what I thought it was going to be. Though I did sort of expect them to do the nice thing and add USB or SD card. I mean really, you give people a nice big screen on a mobile device, why not let them copy their pictures directly from their camera to show people?

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 01:14 PM
AFAIK, Courier is class A vaporware. Announced in concept (they've done this many times over the years, especially in video form).

I'm not sure why people salivate over Microsoft products until they've actually shipped them. Apple announces but ships within 3 months generally. Like clockwork. Microsoft does not.

I wouldn't call it vaporware since they have never officially said it was a legit product or anything other than a concept.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:16 PM
I wouldn't call it vaporware since they have never officially said it was a legit product or anything other than a concept.

Vaporware describes a product, usually software, that has been announced by a developer during or before its development, if there is significant doubt whether the product will actually be released.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:16 PM
Also, Apple hates cords yet won't drop this iTunes/iPod/iPad USB cord. Wireless sync lacking, still?

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 01:16 PM
It is honestly what I thought it was going to be. Though I did sort of expect them to do the nice thing and add USB or SD card. I mean really, you give people a nice big screen on a mobile device, why not let them copy their pictures directly from their camera to show people?

According to their website it has a iPad Camera Connection kit you can buy separately to transfer photos.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 01:18 PM
Vaporware describes a product, usually software, that has been announced by a developer during or before its development, if there is significant doubt whether the product will actually be released.

I know. They never have officially said it exists that I know of.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:18 PM
If it had a front facing camera, I think it'd be a much bigger success. Coffee shop skyping on a media device? Killer, i bet.

DMAC
01-27-2010, 01:22 PM
Why does my iphone all of the sudden look thick?

morphius
01-27-2010, 01:23 PM
According to their website it has a iPad Camera Connection kit you can buy separately to transfer photos.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
LOL! I guess they do have that and a terrible keyboard. I guess this way they can probably keep people from using it as extra storage, and make people carry an extra crappy thing around with their ipad and camera...

DMAC
01-27-2010, 01:25 PM
I thought it was supposed to run Snow Leopard,if so its not on the OS.It's running Iphone 3.2 OS.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 01:26 PM
LOL! I guess they do have that and a terrible keyboard. I guess this way they can probably keep people from using it as extra storage, and make people carry an extra crappy thing around with their ipad and camera...

Yeah, some weird design decisions.

No SD card
No camera
No multitasking
No horizontal docking

I think people were hoping for an OS X tablet, and instead ended up with a big iPhone. Not revolutionary, and barely evolutionary.

Pitt Gorilla
01-27-2010, 01:27 PM
at my doctor's office they actually carrier around a laptop from office to office to document the visit of each patient and have a paperless history right there.

something like this would be great for them ... especially a booklet with touch screen writing.I was just thinking the same thing.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 01:28 PM
LOL! I guess they do have that and a terrible keyboard. I guess this way they can probably keep people from using it as extra storage, and make people carry an extra crappy thing around with their ipad and camera...

Yep. They should at least have an SD card slot, 1 usb slot, and a camera.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:29 PM
Yeah, some weird design decisions.

No SD card
No camera
No multitasking
No horizontal docking

I think people were hoping for an OS X tablet, and instead ended up with a big iPhone. Not revolutionary, and barely evolutionary.

Yep.

For now, I can't tell if that's good or bad. I think the reason it isn't OSX tablet is because of battery life. But that's also a sideshow. I think they're merging the two very slowly.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:30 PM
Yep. They should at least have an SD card slot, 1 usb slot, and a camera.

They're trying to get rid of USB, honestly. First, they got shit for 1 USB port on the Air. And secondly, they're working on something called LightPeak which is basically One cord to rule them all. Power, video, usb, etc etc.

Bane
01-27-2010, 01:33 PM
It's running Iphone 3.2 OS.

Well hell...I haven't been able to check out the specs on it yet,and didn't know.My disappointment grows then.I love my Macs,but this isn't one of them.
Posted via Mobile Device

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:35 PM
Well hell...I haven't been able to check out the specs on it yet,and didn't know.My disappointment grows then.I love my Macs,but this isn't one of them.
Posted via Mobile Device

OSX and OS Mobile are merging slowly.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:37 PM
Pundits saying it blows the Kindle out of the water and Kindle is out of the 1800s.

It's ridiculous. Not even competing for the same thing. Sure, there's overlap but again:

Long term reading better on LED/LCD or eink?

My bet is eink.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 01:37 PM
I think people were hoping for an OS X tablet, and instead ended up with a big iPhone. Not revolutionary, and barely evolutionary.

This, exactly. I want a full-featured, flat computer. I want to be able to install firefox or chrome on it. I want to be able to throw a game on it. I don't want some BS limited OS that is locked down so tight that you can't do jack shit on it. I'm sure they'll get jailbroken, but I'm not happy with the way the IpadOS is behind handled. I know there are battery issues, but it's still disappointing. My grant will be written to buy 5 netbooks for my students, not 2 of these.

Bane
01-27-2010, 01:41 PM
OSX and OS Mobile are merging slowly.

The wife read an article on these a while back and thinks she wants one.I guess if you're just gonna surf the web and e mail it would be fine for that.I know she loves her I phone,so maybe I'll look more into them when they hit the stores.
Posted via Mobile Device

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 01:41 PM
They're trying to get rid of USB, honestly. First, they got shit for 1 USB port on the Air. And secondly, they're working on something called LightPeak which is basically One cord to rule them all. Power, video, usb, etc etc.

that would be a cool idea.

And morphius according to Gizmodo they will have adapters for USB and SD

The iPad really is a giant iPhoneóso much so that if you want to get a laptop-like experience out of it, you'll need adapters to change the typical 30-pin connector into USB, SD, or AC power. In addition to the keyboard attachment (http://i.gizmodo.com/5458341/ipad-keyboard-dock-because-even-apple-knows-touch-typing-can-hurt), there will also be dongles, attaching to the 30-pin dock connector, that give a USB port and SD card slot. In terms of charging, there's no built-in MagSafe connector or anything, so they'll also be shipping a USB-to-AC cable as an optional extra. Neither release date nor pricing has been revealed on these accessories, but we'll let you know as soon as we have them.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 01:44 PM
This, exactly. I want a full-featured, flat computer. I want to be able to install firefox or chrome on it. I want to be able to throw a game on it. I don't want some BS limited OS that is locked down so tight that you can't do jack shit on it. I'm sure they'll get jailbroken, but I'm not happy with the way the IpadOS is behind handled. I know there are battery issues, but it's still disappointing. My grant will be written to buy 5 netbooks for my students, not 2 of these.

What about the new HP Windows Slate?

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:44 PM
The wife read an article on these a while back and thinks she wants one.I guess if you're just gonna surf the web and e mail it would be fine for that.I know she loves her I phone,so maybe I'll look more into them when they hit the stores.
Posted via Mobile Device

It's a visual media device. I'm still out on the reading part.

Pundits saying the ebook reader itself blows kindle out. Like I've said missing the point, but maybe there's some truth to it.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:46 PM
What about the new HP Windows Slate?

Eh, call me an Apple fanboy but I prefer both OS X and their multitouch compared to Window's version.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 01:47 PM
Eh, call me an Apple fanboy but I prefer both OS X and their multitouch compared to Window's version.

I would have to try it out before I bought it. Also trying to find some specs on the slate and I don't know if it is locked down or not. It is supposed to run Windows 7 though.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:48 PM
I would have to try it out before I bought it. Also trying to find some specs on the slate and I don't know if it is locked down or not. It is supposed to run Windows 7 though.

True, it does have a full featured OS on there.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:50 PM
I wonder if bluetooth headsets work with this.

morphius
01-27-2010, 01:50 PM
Pundits saying it blows the Kindle out of the water and Kindle is out of the 1800s.

It's ridiculous. Not even competing for the same thing. Sure, there's overlap but again:

Long term reading better on LED/LCD or eink?

My bet is eink.
Yeah, it also blows away a no screen, $30 mp3 player, yipee!!! Do they want a pat on the head?

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 01:51 PM
I wonder if bluetooth headsets work with this.

The specs say it has bluetooth

Wireless and Cellular

Wi-Fi model



Wi-Fi (802.11 a/b/g/n)
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology

Wi-Fi + 3G model



UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900,1800, 1900 MHz)
Data only<sup>2</sup>
Wi-Fi (802.11 a/b/g/n)
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:55 PM
Yeah, it also blows away a no screen, $30 mp3 player, yipee!!! Do they want a pat on the head?

From my POV: does it blow it out of the water?

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 01:56 PM
The specs say it has bluetooth

Wireless and Cellular

Wi-Fi model



Wi-Fi (802.11 a/b/g/n)
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology

Wi-Fi + 3G model



UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900,1800, 1900 MHz)
Data only<sup>2</sup>
Wi-Fi (802.11 a/b/g/n)
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology


So do Touch 2/3Gs. Problem is, it only transmits sound rather than receiving it. You can't hook up a bluetooth headset to a Touch and RECORD sound. You can play music to it, but no dice on recording.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 02:01 PM
It does have a microphone, though.

I'm betting no camera because 3G can't handle video conferencing yet.

Bane
01-27-2010, 02:07 PM
It does have a microphone, though.

I'm betting no camera because 3G can't handle video conferencing yet.

Its wifi capable though so it should have a camera.Hell even the cheap cell phones have cameras.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 02:09 PM
Its wifi capable though so it should have a camera.Hell even the cheap cell phones have cameras.

Different type of camera and cell cameras generally face out so no video chat, which was the major point.

Bane
01-27-2010, 02:12 PM
Different type of camera and cell cameras generally face out so no video chat, which was the major point.

I know but I'm just saying I think it should still have a camera if you're gonna pay $500 for it.

Pushead2
01-27-2010, 02:36 PM
if the iphone wasn't around, this would have been the best thing since sliced bread though.

As a college student, can I buy any of my textbooks on any of these products yall have talked about?

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 02:48 PM
Yes, I think text books are the big area, here. That and print media (magazines and newspapers).

It's inherently an edu device.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 03:01 PM
It does have a microphone, though.

I'm betting no camera because 3G can't handle video conferencing yet.

Yeah, AT&T's network would implode. Would be real nice for WiFi though.


I'm also not crazy about how much Apple controls the device. The central control through the App Store limits so much. I'm not sure I want to spend the money to buy one just to have Apple tell me one of the apps I want to download is against there policies.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 03:03 PM
Yeah, AT&T's network would implode. Would be real nice for WiFi though.


I'm also not crazy about how much Apple controls the device. The central control through the App Store limits so much. I'm not sure I want to spend the money to buy one just to have Apple tell me one of the apps I want to download is again there policies.

That remains one of my biggest nerves with Apple. I loathe it. Imagine if all desktop computers had that lockdown.

I'm hoping they're going to drop it at some point. Except for the porn/illegal apps. (Then again, torrents wouldn't and couldn't be considered illegal. If they are, web browser is too.)

BigRedChief
01-27-2010, 03:17 PM
Man, all of these live update streams are getting poundedFriggin Geeks!:cuss:

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 03:33 PM
http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)

Summed up nicely

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 03:41 PM
http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo (http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+%28Gizmodo))

Summed up nicely

Yep. I definitely am not going to buy one. And it seems alot of people are bashing this product especially its name.

The #2 trending topic on twitter is iTampon.

Mr. Laz
01-27-2010, 03:45 PM
The problem, as IJH will tell you, is with the backlighting. LCD (like the itouch/ipod and presumably ipad) strains the eyes in a way that e-readers screens don't. They're neutrally lit. LCDs aren't neutrally lit, and they eventually make your eyes hurt.
if there anyway they could set it up so you could switch back and forth between lighting styles?

reading mode
browser mode

DMAC
01-27-2010, 03:50 PM
Yep. I definitely am not going to buy one. And it seems alot of people are bashing this product especially its name.

The #2 trending topic on twitter is iTampon.Yes, what in the sam hell were they thinking with the name??

A group of people had to approve it...it's just bad, very bad.

dirk digler
01-27-2010, 03:50 PM
heh

DMAC
01-27-2010, 03:53 PM
hehThis leads me to believe that there will not be multitasking on 4.0 OS. This thing is running on 3.2. If multitasking was available on 4.0, they would have waited until 4.0 was ready before they showed this to the world.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 04:09 PM
heh

I know it's humor and all but it's woefully wrong.

The iPhone and iPad (and iPod touch) CAN multitask. It just has to be an Apple app doing the multitasking. It just doesn't have 3rd party multitasking.

What exactly do they mean by wide screen? It is too a widescreen as it plays horizontally too.

Ugh, I can't continue.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 04:10 PM
Yep. I definitely am not going to buy one. And it seems alot of people are bashing this product especially its name.

The #2 trending topic on twitter is iTampon.

I was hoping for Apple Canvas.

if there anyway they could set it up so you could switch back and forth between lighting styles?

reading mode
browser mode

Color e-ink is just around the corner, I think. Which basically makes both of your points.

LED can't.

Silock
01-27-2010, 04:18 PM
Very "meh" for me. The only thing it's got going for it is price, really.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 04:20 PM
Very "meh" for me. The only thing it's got going for it is price, really.

Who ever thought that statement would be made about Apple?

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 04:27 PM
Very "meh" for me. The only thing it's got going for it is price, really.

Who ever thought that statement would be made about Apple?

Both have truth to them.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 04:32 PM
Thinking about it, I think it takes 3 revisions and it'll be a killer product. Of course, competition will be there by then.

Bane
01-27-2010, 04:35 PM
Who ever thought that statement would be made about Apple?

I'm not even sure the price is all that great.Not for me anyway.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 04:38 PM
I'm not even sure the price is all that great.Not for me anyway.

Well, they were actually smart. I'm sure they leaked all those high prices, so we'd feel amazed and positive about a $500 entry point. That being said, that will be a good value on a more developed machine, 2g or 3g, machine.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 04:39 PM
Well, they were actually smart. I'm sure they leaked all those high prices, so we'd feel amazed and positive about a $500 entry point. That being said, that will be a good value on a more developed machine, 2g or 3g, machine.

Especially since they usually keep same price point and up specs/features.

Bane
01-27-2010, 04:52 PM
Well, they were actually smart. I'm sure they leaked all those high prices, so we'd feel amazed and positive about a $500 entry point. That being said, that will be a good value on a more developed machine, 2g or 3g, machine.

Yeah that sounds about right I guess.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 04:56 PM
So any recommendations for my ebook reader buying need?

Wait for iPad to play with at Apple Store? Buy a Kindle sight unseen or played with? Buy a nook?

Use the money to upgrade my phone and wait out the new bloodbath?

NewChief
01-27-2010, 04:58 PM
So any recommendations for my ebook reader buying need?

Wait for iPad to play with at Apple Store? Buy a Kindle sight unseen or played with? Buy a nook?

Use the money to upgrade my phone and wait out the new bloodbath?

You can't really go wrong with the Kindle from what I've seen and heard. The Nook looks nice as well. I think if you're wanting an ebook reader, I'd buy an ebook reader. Don't go with the iPad.

irishjayhawk
01-27-2010, 05:07 PM
You can't really go wrong with the Kindle from what I've seen and heard. The Nook looks nice as well. I think if you're wanting an ebook reader, I'd buy an ebook reader. Don't go with the iPad.

Do you think the price difference between iPad and Kindle's BOOKS is a result of DRM or lack there of?

Crush
01-27-2010, 05:10 PM
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BigMeatballDave
01-27-2010, 05:28 PM
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Bane
01-27-2010, 05:29 PM
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Macbook wheel?That looks like it sucks big time.It would take me forever to type on that thing.I think it would be cool if they took the key board off of a Macbook and made the whole base a touch pad.You could have a virtual key board like that anyway.

WoodDraw
01-27-2010, 06:01 PM
I know it's humor and all but it's woefully wrong.

The iPhone and iPad (and iPod touch) CAN multitask. It just has to be an Apple app doing the multitasking. It just doesn't have 3rd party multitasking.

What exactly do they mean by wide screen? It is too a widescreen as it plays horizontally too.

Ugh, I can't continue.

It's not a 16:9 screen though, so it's not true widescreen. Bad reports of watching movies have already started to filter out.

Guru
01-27-2010, 06:42 PM
Nice product but waste of money.

DaFace
01-27-2010, 06:52 PM
Huh. Looks like a fun toy, but I'd rather have a netbook.

DaFace
01-27-2010, 06:59 PM
Think Apple consulted MadTV about the name?

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QuikSsurfer
01-27-2010, 07:08 PM
Macbook wheel?That looks like it sucks big time.It would take me forever to type on that thing.I think it would be cool if they took the key board off of a Macbook and made the whole base a touch pad.You could have a virtual key board like that anyway.

The Onion

Bane
01-27-2010, 07:10 PM
The Onion



:facepalm:

QuikSsurfer
01-27-2010, 07:12 PM
:facepalm:

Just making sure you knew. I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic from the post or not.

Bane
01-27-2010, 07:14 PM
Just making sure you knew. I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic from the post or not.

I'm just surprised it took so long for anyone to say something.

QuikSsurfer
01-27-2010, 07:16 PM
I'm just surprised it took so long for anyone to say something.

Me too. This place has gone to shit since Phobia left.

NewChief
01-27-2010, 07:17 PM
I'm just surprised it took so long for anyone to say something.

At least you didn't report it to snopes.com like CCTS did with a recent onion post in DC. That was awesome Chiefsplanet moment of the week.

Braincase
01-27-2010, 07:25 PM
Can I get it with wings?

Bane
01-27-2010, 07:27 PM
Me too. This place has gone to shit since Phobia left.

I was gonna say wow,I want one of those,but I figured that would be too easy.:shake:
ROFL

Reaper16
01-27-2010, 09:36 PM
http://bit.ly/b6B1JJ

Taco John
01-28-2010, 01:43 AM
Apple has effed itself with it's OS. They should buy Palm, and WebOS. I'm either waiting for the Microsoft Courier, or whatever tablet comes out with WebOS.

pikesome
01-28-2010, 02:25 AM
Apple has effed itself with it's OS. They should buy Palm, and WebOS. I'm either waiting for the Microsoft Courier, or whatever tablet comes out with WebOS.

Depends on how you look at it. I'm sure Apple sees it as iPhone OS = App Store = profits! Lock-in can be a very profitable route if people buy this thing. I'm just not sure they will.

Bane
01-28-2010, 05:47 AM
Depends on how you look at it. I'm sure Apple sees it as iPhone OS = App Store = profits! Lock-in can be a very profitable route if people buy this thing. I'm just not sure they will.

I was gonna get one for the wife,but after finally getting all the specs and stuff I don't think I'm gonna waste my money.Maybe after they upgrade the ports,give you expandable memory,and add an actual O S,but till then I think its a joke.

irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 11:11 AM
Apple has effed itself with it's OS. They should buy Palm, and WebOS. I'm either waiting for the Microsoft Courier, or whatever tablet comes out with WebOS.

If you get to constantly LOL @ me in the DC, this is where I get to LOL @ you.

Courier, as I've pointed out plenty of times, is vaporware at best.

And webOS has, thus far, gone nowhere. Android has a better market share than webOS.

Apple has not effed itself with its OS. It's simply merging the desktop and mobile computing platforms. You'll see them continue to do this until the touch/tablet idea really takes off. Their OS has positioned them as the leader. It's the one thing they really, really have going for them.

irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 11:12 AM
After reading some commentary online from many non-Apple-fanbois, I think this device is going to be a hit. It's more revolutionary than it seems at first blush.

I think given 2-3 revisions, it'll be exactly what I need.

Mr. Laz
01-28-2010, 11:26 AM
So any recommendations for my ebook reader buying need?

Wait for iPad to play with at Apple Store? Buy a Kindle sight unseen or played with? Buy a nook?

Use the money to upgrade my phone and wait out the new bloodbath?
Kindle 2 or Nook is the way i'm leaning

both have the improved Ink contrast and have had firmware improvements to tweak the bugs.

if you want the additional size i imagine the kindle Dx will drop in price in awhile.

Deberg_1990
01-28-2010, 11:31 AM
Not trying to yank anyones chain, but why are these Kindle devices better than holding a real book??

NewChief
01-28-2010, 11:37 AM
I just thought of a really great application in my life for one of these: a kitchen computer, which I need. Currently I use my laptop, but this would be pretty sweet. Basically I need to be able to store edit/print recipes, browse the web, and control my music. The size would be perfect as well.

Mr. Laz
01-28-2010, 11:43 AM
Not trying to yank anyones chain, but why are these Kindle devices better than holding a real book??
it's not

but a kindle holds 1,500 books with the ability to buy books immediately at the touch of a button. As they mature they will do other things beside being ebooks as well.

eventually they will replace laptops completely

Mr. Laz
01-28-2010, 11:50 AM
I just thought of a really great application in my life for one of these: a kitchen computer, which I need. Currently I use my laptop, but this would be pretty sweet. Basically I need to be able to store edit/print recipes, browse the web, and control my music. The size would be perfect as well.
they kind of do that already

the Kindle Dx allows for notes for .pdf files and you can upload you recipes to it through a computer if you convert them to .pdf. It's browser is limited right now but it has one. i think Amazon throttles the internet access to prevent much real browsing.

by the end of the year Asus is coming out with a couple of different models which are gonna allow 3G and Wifi with a real browser.

Deberg_1990
01-28-2010, 11:51 AM
it's not

but a kindle holds 1,500 books with the ability to buy books immediately at the touch of a button. As they mature they will do other things beside being ebooks as well.

eventually they will replace laptops completely

ah....ok, thanks. Definately would save on shelf space.

So it connects to the internet then?

Mr. Laz
01-28-2010, 11:51 AM
ASUS DR-950 ereader live shots released (http://www.slashgear.com/asus-dr-950-ereader-live-shots-released-2271082/)

By Chris Davies (http://www.slashgear.com/author/chris/) on Friday, Jan 22nd 2010

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http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/asus_dr-950_5-540x360.jpg

The DR-950 has a 1024 x 768 resolution display, supporting PDF, ePub and HTML files among others, and offers text-to-speech and RSS. Thereís also 2-4GB of onboard storage Ė with an SD card slot to augment that Ė together with a USB port and 3.5mm headphone jack, and ASUS arenít ruling out squeezing WiMAX into the 0.35-inch thick frame.

Weíre not quite so ready as Electricpig to declare the touchscreen layer interference-free, and will want to have a closer look (at a real unit, not press shots) to figure out whether it blurs the E Ink panel or not. Still, itís another interesting looking ereader; letís just hope the Apple iPad doesnít sweep the bottom out of the segment next Wednesday.
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Mr. Laz
01-28-2010, 12:00 PM
ah....ok, thanks. Definately would save on shelf space.

So it connects to the internet then?
The kindle has a free cell phone type connection to the internet provided by Amazon to people who buy the kindle.

other ebooks are coming out with true wifi abilities

Mr. Laz
01-28-2010, 12:06 PM
cheaper than the DX? (http://gizmodo.com/5457098/asus-ereaders-could-be-launching-much-earlier-than-expected)


Asus Ereaders Could Be Launching Much Earlier Than Expected (http://gizmodo.com/5457098/asus-ereaders-could-be-launching-much-earlier-than-expected)

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The DR-950 (http://gizmodo.com/5450795/asus-dr+950-yet-another-ebook-reader-thats-more-impressive-than-the-kindle) and DR-570 (http://gizmodo.com/5450254/long+lasting-asus-dr+570-wants-in-on-the-ebook-reader-biz-too) weren't expected to go on sale until the very end of the year, but Digitimes (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100126PD210.html) is quoting sources as placing the two ereaders on a second quarter release schedule. Asus has commented they haven't yet started producing enough of the ereaders for them to launch, but the initial Q4 release date is looking more and more unrealistic, since photos of the 950 looking very polished (http://gizmodo.com/5454754/asus-dr+950-ebook-reader-gets-its-close+up) turned up on Asus' UK Flickr account the other day. [Digitimes (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100126PD210.html)]

UPDATED: Electricpig has dished out (http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/01/22/asus-dr-950-e-reader-dated-for-the-uk/) the UK pricing and availability deets, with an April launch slated for the DR-950, and a rough £250 cost ($403).

The Rick
01-28-2010, 12:46 PM
One thing that seems pretty consistent in everything I've read is that you really can't appreciate the iPad until you've held it and used it. I've seen MANY people who were at the event say this. It does kind of make sense. It's easy to point out what we perceive are flaws (I really wanted a webcam), but until I get a chance to actually see it, I'm going to reserve judgement a little.

I got a Kindle for Christmas and returned it in anticipation of the iPad. So I pretty much had $300 (when you count the leather case for the Kindle) set aside for this.

In the short time I used the Kindle, I liked it overall. A pretty good experience for purchasing and reading books, although my opinion is that the e-ink screen is overrated. The Kindle sucks though at newspapers and magazines.

The way I look at it, the iPad should be able to at least match the Kindle on reading books. Again, this is because I think the Kindle's screen is vastly overrated. However, the iPad should be leaps and bounds ahead of the Kindle and everyone else when it comes to newspapers and magazines. Throw in the fact that you can browse the web and all of the other features, it seems worth the extra $200 when I think about it.

kaplin42
01-28-2010, 01:08 PM
I didn't read this whole thread, so if this is reposted info, sorry.

But Pretty much this thing will be a nice piece of overpriced FAIL!!!

http://gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+

A lot of people at Gizmodo are psyched about the iPad. Not me! My god, am I underwhelmed by it. It has some absolutely backbreaking failures that will make buying one the last thing I would want to do. Updated

Big, Ugly Bezel
Have you seen the bezel on this thing?! It's huge! I know you don't want to accidentally input a command when your thumb is holding it, but come on.

No Multitasking
This is a backbreaker. If this is supposed to be a replacement for netbooks, how can it possibly not have multitasking? Are you saying I can't listen to Pandora while writing a document? I can't have my Twitter app open at the same time as my browser? I can't have AIM open at the same time as my email? Are you kidding me? This alone guarantees that I will not buy this product.

No Cameras
No front facing camera is one thing. But no back facing camera either? Why the hell not? I can't imagine what the downside was for including at least one camera. Could this thing not handle video iChat?

Touch Keyboard
So much for Apple revolutionizing tablet inputs; this is the same big, ugly touchscreen keyboard we've seen on other tablets, and unless you're lying on the couch with your knees propping it up, it'll be awkward to use.

No HDMI Out
Want to watch those nice HD videos you downloaded from iTunes on your TV? Too damned bad! If you were truly loyal, you'd just buy an AppleTV already.

The Name iPad
Get ready for Maxi pad jokes, and lots of 'em!

No Flash
No Flash is annoying but not a dealbreaker on the iPhone and iPod Touch. On something that's supposed to be closer to a netbook or laptop? It will leave huge, gaping holes in websites. I hope you don't care about streaming video! God knows not many casual internet users do. Oh wait, nevermind, they all do.

Adapters, Adapters, Adapters
So much for those smooth lines. If you want to plug anything into this, such as a digital camera, you need all sorts of ugly adapters. You need an adapter for USB for god's sake.

Update: Why stop at 8? Here are more things we are discovering that suck about the iPad.

It's Not Widescreen
Widescreen movies look lousy on this thing thanks to its 4:3 screen, according to Blam, who checked out some of Star Trek on one. It's like owning a 4:3 TV all over again!

Doesn't Support T-Mobile 3G
Sure, it's "unlocked." But it won't work on T-Mobile, and it uses microSIMs that literally no one else uses.

A Closed App Ecosystem
The iPad only runs apps from the App Store. The same App Store that is notorious for banning apps for no real reason, such as Google Voice. Sure, netbooks might not have touchscreens, but you can install whatever software you'd like on them. Want to run a different browser on your iPad? Too bad!



No Multitasking = Biggest fail ever. That alone will kill this PoS.

L.A. Chieffan
01-28-2010, 01:12 PM
Have you seen this amazing technology for allowing to take books with you? It's easy to carry, light, and you can read pretty much whenever you feel like! It's called a paperback.

JD10367
01-28-2010, 01:20 PM
On the subject of e-books... Browsing the App Store last night on my Touch, found a now-free app called "Classics", which puts 23 classic books in your iPod Touch or iPhone:

Call Of The Wild
The Art of War
The Iliad
The Odyssey
The Wizard of Oz
Frankenstein
The Count of Monte Cristo
Treasure Island
Dracula
Pride and Prejudice
Flatland
Gulliver's Travels
A Christmas Carol
The Metamorphosis
Hound Of The Baskervilles
The Time Machine
Huck Finn
The Jungle Book
20,000 Leagues Under The Sea
Paradise Lost
Robinson Crusoe
Alice in Wonderland
Through the Looking Glass

You tap the book on the shelf, then flip the pages with your finger. If you close the book, it puts a bookmark in place.

Bane
01-28-2010, 02:34 PM
Have you seen this amazing technology for allowing to take books with you? It's easy to carry, light, and you can read pretty much whenever you feel like! It's called a paperback.

ROFL

SLAG
01-28-2010, 03:19 PM
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irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 03:46 PM
I didn't read this whole thread, so if this is reposted info, sorry.

But Pretty much this thing will be a nice piece of overpriced FAIL!!!

http://gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+



No Multitasking = Biggest fail ever. That alone will kill this PoS.

*Sigh*

It has multitasking. Just only Apple-approved multitasking, which, I think 4.0 software will change. Or one can hope.

One thing that seems pretty consistent in everything I've read is that you really can't appreciate the iPad until you've held it and used it. I've seen MANY people who were at the event say this. It does kind of make sense. It's easy to point out what we perceive are flaws (I really wanted a webcam), but until I get a chance to actually see it, I'm going to reserve judgement a little.

That and the speed. Apparently it's blazing fast. Apple's own A4 chip. That's probably the bigger news. Especially if they shrink down that chip...


I got a Kindle for Christmas and returned it in anticipation of the iPad. So I pretty much had $300 (when you count the leather case for the Kindle) set aside for this.

That's where I'm at. And that's why I'm still kind of hmmmm, which one....

In the short time I used the Kindle, I liked it overall. A pretty good experience for purchasing and reading books, although my opinion is that the e-ink screen is overrated. The Kindle sucks though at newspapers and magazines.

Yeah, I think my main thing with news and magazines would be Instapaper which, combined with Kindle (and it works with nook too) is, from what I hear, glorious.


The way I look at it, the iPad should be able to at least match the Kindle on reading books. Again, this is because I think the Kindle's screen is vastly overrated. However, the iPad should be leaps and bounds ahead of the Kindle and everyone else when it comes to newspapers and magazines. Throw in the fact that you can browse the web and all of the other features, it seems worth the extra $200 when I think about it.

I think you'll sing a different tune on e-ink vs led when you spend a good chunk reading on it. And do that over and over. Long term reading is going to be a pain. If it wasn't, wouldn't more people be reading ebooks on laptops...

Kindle 2 or Nook is the way i'm leaning

both have the improved Ink contrast and have had firmware improvements to tweak the bugs.

if you want the additional size i imagine the kindle Dx will drop in price in awhile.

Are you still leaning that way with Asus' ereader. It looks awesome but I'm not sure I wanna shell out another 150 for it.

What are your thoughts re Kindle 2 vs Nook?

kaplin42
01-28-2010, 04:01 PM
*Sigh*

It has multitasking. Just only Apple-approved multitasking, which, I think 4.0 software will change. Or one can hope.






*sigh* What in the holy hell is apple approved multitasking? You can only use itunes and safari at once?


I'm sorry man, but BS. Pay out the ass for limited options. No Thanks.

irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 04:03 PM
*sigh* What in the holy hell is apple approved multitasking? You can only use itunes and safari at once?


I'm sorry man, but BS. Pay out the ass for limited options. No Thanks.

Apple approved means that their apps can multitask. All of their touch devices CAN multitask. It's just a question of which apps. Their email, music, safari, calendar, clock, etc etc, can multitask. Pandora and other third party apps cannot. It's misleading to say it cannot multitask.



Pay out the ass? Seriously?

Apple shocked everyone by releasing it at $499.

Apple hatas gonna hate, I guess.

kaplin42
01-28-2010, 04:08 PM
Apple approved means that their apps can multitask. All of their touch devices CAN multitask. It's just a question of which apps. Their email, music, safari, calendar, clock, etc etc, can multitask. Pandora and other third party apps cannot. It's misleading to say it cannot multitask.



Pay out the ass? Seriously?

Apple shocked everyone by releasing it at $499.

Apple hatas gonna hate, I guess.


So you're saying that its ok to only let apple apps multi task. Cool.

and you're syaing that this thing will cost less than an iphone. Cool

Apple, fanboi's will be fanbois i guess.

|Zach|
01-28-2010, 04:32 PM
Apple doesnít want to sell devices that can do everything; they want to find the best form factor to consume some types of digital content, and then focus on them. If you look at it, you can do pretty much everything on your personal computer; by that philosophy, you donít need anything else besides a laptop. And yet, youíve now got smartphones and e-readers selling very well. Could it be that one powerful device is not as good as several less powerful, but more focused ones?

|Zach|
01-28-2010, 04:34 PM
No Multitasking = Biggest fail ever. That alone will kill this PoS.

Betcha anything you are wrong.

Mr. Laz
01-28-2010, 04:36 PM
Are you still leaning that way with Asus' ereader. It looks awesome but I'm not sure I wanna shell out another 150 for it.

What are your thoughts re Kindle 2 vs Nook?depends on how long it takes for these new Asus models to be released.

if that 9" asus was out right now and i could get some concrete info i would definitely look at it.

I mean the asus is gonna have Wifi/3G and a upgrade memory slot and a full touch screen for $400?

cheaper than the DX and with more features gets my attention.

Mr. Laz
01-28-2010, 04:37 PM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/10/Nook_vs_Kindle_Comparison.jpg

kaplin42
01-28-2010, 04:42 PM
Betcha anything you are wrong.

I didn't make this up, these are the guys at gizmado saying this. Which I linked the article.

If what IJH is saying is true, it's better than no multitasking, but honestly...

"Thow shalt only use Mac software."

Is a pretty big hit to the device. Then again, Mac people might think this is great since Mac software is the greatest in the universe ever. :(

They could have knocked it out of the park with this device and completely taken over the tablet market instead, its a larger version of an iTouch. BFD.

kaplin42
01-28-2010, 04:45 PM
Apple doesnít want to sell devices that can do everything; they want to find the best form factor to consume some types of digital content, and then focus on them. If you look at it, you can do pretty much everything on your personal computer; by that philosophy, you donít need anything else besides a laptop. And yet, youíve now got smartphones and e-readers selling very well. Could it be that one powerful device is not as good as several less powerful, but more focused ones?

Your comparison is a loose grab at logic at best. Yes you can do all of these on your home PC or laptop. But the difference between a smartphone/iPhone and a laptop is the extreme portability. You can take your phone anywhere, how many people you see at the club sitting on their cell phone? How many do you see sitting on a laptop.

I get what you are saying, but this iPad is not one of Apple's better moves. If they wanted to make an e-reader, why market it as a tablet.

irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 04:54 PM
So you're saying that its ok to only let apple apps multi task. Cool.

Point to where I said this. I stated a fact: Apple apps can multitask, therefore it has multitasking capability.

and you're syaing that this thing will cost less than an iphone. Cool


Point to where I or anyone said that? The initial starting price is $499. There's nothing but fact there.


Apple, fanboi's will be fanbois i guess.

If you consider me to be a fanboi, I hate to see what you think of the people more rabid than I.

I didn't make this up, these are the guys at gizmado saying this. Which I linked the article.

Doesn't mean they're wrong.

If what IJH is saying is true, it's better than no multitasking, but honestly...

What I am saying IS True. It's true now and has been for a long while.

"Thow shalt only use Mac software."

Again, not true. Plenty of apps available. Of course, multitasking is probably what you're referring to but nonetheless it's misleading.

Is a pretty big hit to the device. Then again, Mac people might think this is great since Mac software is the greatest in the universe ever. :(

Man, don't let your true fanboi shine!


They could have knocked it out of the park with this device and completely taken over the tablet market instead, its a larger version of an iTouch. BFD.

Actually, I thought the same thing. Until I read some articles and commentary from people who had hands on. Rick's post was pretty spot on with what I heard. You have to play with it to really have any say on it. It's screaming fast.

There really isn't a tablet market right now. There have been tablets but no one really has done anything worth while in the market. Best thing so far is Courier by MS but as always it's vaporware.

I think you underestimate the power of a large iPod Touch. It's not for me, at least right now. I'll wait for a couple revisions before buying. A) the software will mature B) Apple always increases specs and features without raising price and C) if you look at the iPod generations they got increasing features that made upgrading look good, I bet this follows suit.

irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 04:58 PM
Also, Apple is proving that multitasking (except in media sectors like music or social networking like twitter) is an old concept in need of replacement. When you think about it, your iPhone/Touch apps save where you were in the app and what you were doing. Closing and reopening is just like swiping to an open app.

It wasn't until someone pointed that out to me that it clicked. Read here: http://cloud-factory.com/blog/2010/1/28/we-dont-need-general-purpose-multitasking-on-the-ipad.html

irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 04:59 PM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/10/Nook_vs_Kindle_Comparison.jpg

Thanks.

Kindle 2, IIRC, now has PDF support but that was the only thing different on that chart.

I'm with you, though, if I could see the Asus I could make up my mind. But then if I wait for Asus I'll see something else and wait and keep waiting. I'm thinking I should just go with it. Use it for a year or two and then survey the field.

Are you siding more nook or more Kindle 2 at the moment?

ChiefaRoo
01-28-2010, 05:00 PM
After reading some commentary online from many non-Apple-fanbois, I think this device is going to be a hit. It's more revolutionary than it seems at first blush.

I think given 2-3 revisions, it'll be exactly what I need.

I think you're right. I like the idea of traveling with an IPad with 3G capability, GPS etc weighing only 1.5lbs versus a typical DELL Laptop that weighs 8lbs. It makes a big difference.

irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 05:02 PM
I think you're right. I like the idea of traveling with an IPad with 3G capability, GPS etc weighing only 1.5lbs versus a typical DELL Laptop that weighs 8lbs. It makes a big difference.

Imagine if they snuck a GPS in there. Phew, I don't know what I'd do...

Bane
01-28-2010, 05:06 PM
Imagine if they snuck a GPS in there. Phew, I don't know what I'd do...

Just a few tweaks and I'd be sold,but as is I'll have to pass.

ChiefaRoo
01-28-2010, 05:06 PM
Imagine if they snuck a GPS in there. Phew, I don't know what I'd do...

I think the top end model has GPS like the I-Phone

ChiefaRoo
01-28-2010, 05:07 PM
I would of marketed it as the ITab

Just to avoid the jokes

irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 05:10 PM
Just a few tweaks and I'd be sold,but as is I'll have to pass.

That's where I'm at. And if fails thus far in the e-reader market which is what I needed at the moment.

I think the top end model has GPS like the I-Phone

Technically any of them with 3G has a AGPS in it. It isn't Garmin-like GPS but it gets the job done (aka iPhone).

I would of marketed it as the ITab

Just to avoid the jokes

I was hoping for Apple Canvas.

Mr. Laz
01-28-2010, 05:15 PM
Thanks.

Kindle 2, IIRC, now has PDF support but that was the only thing different on that chart.

I'm with you, though, if I could see the Asus I could make up my mind. But then if I wait for Asus I'll see something else and wait and keep waiting. I'm thinking I should just go with it. Use it for a year or two and then survey the field.

Are you siding more nook or more Kindle 2 at the moment?
actually the Nook also has WiFi,memory expansion and a replaceable battery over the Kindle line. If the battery goes bad you can fix it with the Nook.

Nook also "Lends" out books compared to DRM with the kindle.


Kindle has browser capability and text to speech. I don't care about the text to speech but even the limited/throttled browsing of the kindle is appealing.

but .... i hear that even after the latest firmware the Nook is still kind of sluggish with it's clicks and refreshing.


dammit i wish i could squish the 2 together and get the best of both. :cuss:


i'm leaning slightly to the Kindle because of the responsiveness but in reality i'm going to do my best to wait until April to see the Asus.

35 days and counting .....

|Zach|
01-28-2010, 05:15 PM
If the iPad had preceded the iPhone, people would be shitting themselves over both. "Oh my God the made the iPad SMALLER with a PHONE!?"

|Zach|
01-28-2010, 05:15 PM
I was hoping for Apple Canvas.

They don't want you to create on it...

They want you to consume. And people will...like nuts.

irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 05:17 PM
actually the Nook also has WiFi and memory expansion and a replaceable battery over the Kindle line. If the battery goes bad you can fix it with the Nook.

Nook also "Lends" out books compared to DRM hell with the kindle.


Kindle has browser capability and text to speech. I don't care about the text to speech but even the limited/throttled browsing of the kindle is appealing.

but .... i hear that even after the latest firmware the Nook is still kind of sluggish with it's clicks and refreshing.


dammit i wish i could squish the 2 together and get the best of both. :cuss:


i'm leaning slightly to the Kindle because of the responsiveness but in reality i'm going to do my best to wait until April to see the Asus.

Yeah, I think we're in the same boat.

I reread my post. I didn't mean the only thing the nook had that the Kindle didn't I just meant the only thing B&N could be perceived about being misleading. Of course, it was only after they made the chart that PDF support was fixed. So they just haven't updated it. ;)

I'm going to have to do some digging tomorrow about the Asus.

irishjayhawk
01-28-2010, 05:18 PM
If the iPad had preceded the iPhone, people would be shitting themselves over both. "Oh my God the made the iPad SMALLER with a PHONE!?"

Yes. And it reminds me of Louis CK. Everything's amazing, no one's happy.

They don't want you to create on it...

They want you to consume. And people will...like nuts.

True, but at least it's original. iPad is still a shitty name.

JD10367
01-28-2010, 05:23 PM
Also, Apple is proving that multitasking (except in media sectors like music or social networking like twitter) is an old concept in need of replacement. When you think about it, your iPhone/Touch apps save where you were in the app and what you were doing. Closing and reopening is just like swiping to an open app.

It wasn't until someone pointed that out to me that it clicked. Read here: http://cloud-factory.com/blog/2010/1/28/we-dont-need-general-purpose-multitasking-on-the-ipad.html

Yes. My iPod Touch (and, thus, I assume, the iPhone) doesn't exactly "multitask" in terms of having more than one thing open at a time and visible to you, but it seems to keep running parts of stuff in the background (e.g. the Push notifications which you can have pop up). And if you close a game, for example, when you re-open it you can sometimes pick up where you left off, as if the app is leaving little info-cookies so it knows where to go back to.

I can get Push notifications when someone e-mails me, or IMs me, or posts to my Facebook account, or if the Associated Press breaks a news story, or if my favorite sports team scores a TD or a run or a goal or whatever. So it's like multitasking, it's just not called that.

Fish
01-28-2010, 05:34 PM
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They could have knocked it out of the park with this device and completely taken over the tablet market instead, its a larger version of an iTouch. BFD.

There's the real gist of it right there...

They could have consumed much more of an initial market just by doing a few of these simple and seemingly obvious things. Most of you know how much I support Mac. But I'm very disappointed in the iPad. The biggest kicker for me is that it's running iPhone OS instead of OS X. That's beyond stupid, and I think it's the detail that will hurt them the most in the end.

The biggest market for this type of device is school/medical/record keeping roles. On the go data entry. The iPad will not allow that group to load the software they're already using. Along with Office, or other productivity software. And it will require them to take extra steps with a lot of data transfer, as opposed to just connecting a flash drive or SD card. It limits the HD space for saving things locally too. Even 64GB won't be enough in some environments.

I understand the way Apple likes to "out do" certain niche markets, and limit overall versatility to increase specialized functionality. But IMO, the opportunity to take a stranglehold to a much more broad "versatile tablet/ebook/netbook" market far outweighs that. They could have given a pile driver to Kindle, Nook, and netbook manufacturers all at once with this single nifty device. But instead they "iPhone crippled" it and priced it low to compete.

Maybe the safe move will pay off in the end, but I think most would have preferred to see the huge splash...

Bane
01-28-2010, 05:41 PM
There's the real gist of it right there...

They could have consumed much more of an initial market just by doing a few of these simple and seemingly obvious things. Most of you know how much I support Mac. But I'm very disappointed in the iPad. The biggest kicker for me is that it's running iPhone OS instead of OS X. That's beyond stupid, and I think it's the detail that will hurt them the most in the end.

The biggest market for this type of device is school/medical/record keeping roles. On the go data entry. The iPad will not allow that group to load the software they're already using. Along with Office, or other productivity software. And it will require them to take extra steps with a lot of data transfer, as opposed to just connecting a flash drive or SD card. It limits the HD space for saving things locally too. Even 64GB won't be enough in some environments.

I understand the way Apple likes to "out do" certain niche markets, and limit overall versatility to increase specialized functionality. But IMO, the opportunity to take a stranglehold to a much more broad "versatile tablet/ebook/netbook" market far outweighs that. They could have given a pile driver to Kindle, Nook, and netbook manufacturers all at once with this single nifty device. But instead they "iPhone crippled" it and priced it low to compete.

Maybe the safe move will pay off in the end, but I think most would have preferred to see the huge splash...

Totally agree.I was expecting OS X on it and more power.They really could have opened everyones eyes with this,but I can't say I'm impressed very much.

cdcox
01-28-2010, 05:42 PM
My wife uses a desk top located downstairs. It's slllloooowww and needs to be replaced. I could see getting her one of these as a replacement. She 1) plays solitaire; 2) email; 3) internet; and 4) does music. Problem is she has a Zune instead of an ipod. If we can solve the music conversion problem, this might be a good deal for a more portable, comfortable device. Also, she's a huge reader so the reader aspect would be a plus.

Pushead2
01-28-2010, 05:47 PM
it just has so many things but they seem like they are functioning at 50%, kind of like the first iPhone. I think I'll wait for the iPad G2 before I would to purchase it for my own personal use. My girlfriend is an English Ph.D student and I want to get her a e-reader and after reading this thread I'm curious on what to do....I kind of want to make her the test subject and get the iPad. When does it come out? What do y'all think I should do for her in terms of the e-reader?

Fish
01-28-2010, 05:54 PM
it just has so many things but they seem like they are functioning at 50%, kind of like the first iPhone. I think I'll wait for the iPad G2 before I would to purchase it for my own personal use. My girlfriend is an English Ph.D student and I want to get her a e-reader and after reading this thread I'm curious on what to do....I kind of want to make her the test subject and get the iPad. When does it come out? What do y'all think I should do for her in terms of the e-reader?

88 days...

Myself I'd go with the Nook, or more preferably wait for the Asus...

[EDIT]: Even more preferably... wait for the iPad G2....

Bane
01-28-2010, 05:57 PM
My wife uses a desk top located downstairs. It's slllloooowww and needs to be replaced. I could see getting her one of these as a replacement. She 1) plays solitaire; 2) email; 3) internet; and 4) does music. Problem is she has a Zune instead of an ipod. If we can solve the music conversion problem, this might be a good deal for a more portable, comfortable device. Also, she's a huge reader so the reader aspect would be a plus.

The reader is the main reason my wife wants it,but I think I'll still wait for G2.

dirk digler
01-28-2010, 06:11 PM
They don't want you to create on it...

They want you to consume. And people will...like nuts.

I thought it was really stupid\silly for them to exclude Flash while browsing. 90% of web pages use some sort of flash.

beach tribe
01-28-2010, 07:00 PM
Going to Japan again in March. Gonna be watching movies, and playing poker on this bad boy on the way there.

JD10367
01-28-2010, 07:01 PM
I thought it was really stupid\silly for them to exclude Flash while browsing. 90% of web pages use some sort of flash.

The fact that my iPod Touch can't do Flash or Java is the main drawback. Half the websites I go to don't fully work. Unfortunately, I get the feeling both of those need a real OS to function, so the iPad probably wouldn't be able to get them to work.

Fish
01-28-2010, 08:07 PM
The fact that my iPod Touch can't do Flash or Java is the main drawback. Half the websites I go to don't fully work. Unfortunately, I get the feeling both of those need a real OS to function, so the iPad probably wouldn't be able to get them to work.

You know you can jailbreak that, and the Flash plugin will work for it.....

Mr. Laz
01-28-2010, 08:16 PM
it's almost like they deliberately left a bunch of stuff out of the Ipad so they had improvements to add in the next versions. Take advantage of the initial ebook rush to sell crap and then add the real improvements later on when people start to really compare the features.

:shrug:

Guru
01-28-2010, 10:23 PM
I'll be interested in this when it drops to $349 or less. I love my iPod touch but right now, I just don't see any benefit to this Pad that I can't do on the touch other than a bigger screen and less portability. Make it $349 with the 3G already installed and upgradeable storage then we can talk. Probably will take a minimum of 2 years to get there though.

|Zach|
01-28-2010, 11:12 PM
it's almost like they deliberately left a bunch of stuff out of the Ipad so they had improvements to add in the next versions. Take advantage of the initial ebook rush to sell crap and then add the real improvements later on when people start to really compare the features.

:shrug:

Why do people just keep mentioning ebook readers..

lol

This does exponentially more than ebook readers. I don't even know how they can compare.

|Zach|
01-28-2010, 11:59 PM
The iPhone and iPod touch haven't run Flash natively in the years since their respective debuts, and it's pretty clear based on Steve Jobs's presentation yesterday that the iPad won't run Flash, either. When scrolling through the New York Times's main page, for example, where Flash ads or video might have been there were instead broken LEGO icons, big as life on the screen at the keynote.

Predictably, Adobe isn't happy about this, and is accusing Apple of "continuing to impose restrictions on their devices that limit both content publishers and consumers." They go on to say that without Flash support, "users will not be able to access the full range of web content, including over 70% of games and 75% of video on the web."

Let's work backwards from this. First of all, I'd be very interested to see where Adobe got those percentages. Apparently YouTube now accounts for a mere 25% of video on the internet? As for Hulu and a few of the other specific sites mentioned in Adobe's rant, now that Apple is in the business of selling content, exactly how is it in the company's best interest to provide access to that same content, through another company's platform, for free? And as far as games are concerned, once again Apple has this covered, through the App Store. Far from being limited, content publishers and consumers will merely have to adjust to a new method of publishing and consuming content: one that doesn't involve Adobe in any way.

I know anecdotal data is the worst kind there is, but in nearly a year of using my iPhone to connect to the internet, not only have I not missed Flash, I've been glad it isn't there. Flash's performance on Mac OS X is so abysmal that when YouTube announced an opt-in HTML5 beta to replace Flash, I bounced up and down in my office chair in glee. I can only imagine the bag of hurt that would be introduced if Apple let Flash run on its mobile devices.

If you want to know why Flash doesn't run on the iPhone, the iPod touch, or the iPad, why Flash will never run on those devices, and why that's a really good thing, check out this piece by Daring Fireball's John Gruber. One of the key points of Gruber's argument is that Flash is, by far, the biggest source of application crashes in OS X. Flash crashes so often that Apple's engineers went out of their way to create a new mechanism for running plugins in Snow Leopard; in 10.6, Flash runs as its own process rather than being lumped in with Safari, meaning than when (not if) Flash crashes, it doesn't bring all of Safari down with it. Considering Flash's poor stability and fan-blasting, CPU-hogging performance on the Mac, gee, why wouldn't Apple want it running on their mobile devices?

Want to see something that "imposes restrictions on content publishers and consumers?" Look no farther than Flash itself. According to the company's own (possibly made-up) numbers, 70% of games and 75% of video on the internet is all shuffled through one company's proprietary plugin. I don't know about you, but that sounds awfully restrictive to me. It seems like a really bad idea to let a single company have that much control over the creation and delivery of the internet's content, don't you think?.

With the iPhone and iPod touch we already have tens of millions of mobile devices owned by tens of millions of highly satisfied consumers, and not one of those devices runs Flash. With the advent of the iPad, we can expect millions more mobile devices to hit the market, and none of them will run Flash, either. Thanks to YouTube and vimeo, HTML5's star is on the rise for delivering free video content on the internet, and the App Store has gaming covered. There's no telling what the internet will look like in ten years, but one thing appears certain: if things continue as they have, Adobe will no longer have the stranglehold over video and gaming content that it enjoys today.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/adobe-on-flash-and-the-ipad-apple-is-continuing-to-impose-rest/

Guru
01-29-2010, 12:22 AM
On the subject of e-books... Browsing the App Store last night on my Touch, found a now-free app called "Classics", which puts 23 classic books in your iPod Touch or iPhone:

Call Of The Wild
The Art of War
The Iliad
The Odyssey
The Wizard of Oz
Frankenstein
The Count of Monte Cristo
Treasure Island
Dracula
Pride and Prejudice
Flatland
Gulliver's Travels
A Christmas Carol
The Metamorphosis
Hound Of The Baskervilles
The Time Machine
Huck Finn
The Jungle Book
20,000 Leagues Under The Sea
Paradise Lost
Robinson Crusoe
Alice in Wonderland
Through the Looking Glass

You tap the book on the shelf, then flip the pages with your finger. If you close the book, it puts a bookmark in place.Thanks for that find.:)

NewChief
01-29-2010, 06:43 AM
Why do people just keep mentioning ebook readers..

lol

This does exponentially more than ebook readers. I don't even know how they can compare.

I think it's because an e-book reader is the niche that most people were considering purchasing a product to fill. No one really needs a big ipod or a flat screen PC at this point in time (we haven't been shown, yet, why we'd need one), but people have been marketed e-book readers extensively. As such, if you're considering a purchase, it's a natural comparison to make.

For example: "Well, I've been thinking about getting one of those e-book readers... and now Apple has this thing out that looks like I can do that... plus I can do a bunch of other stuff." For people who were considering an e-book reader, the "bunch of other stuff" is just icing. Of course, what they don't realize is that the "bunch of other stuff" is actually the cake.

Pushead2
01-29-2010, 06:49 AM
I think it's because an e-book reader is the niche that most people were considering purchasing a product to fill. No one really needs a big ipod or a flat screen PC at this point in time (we haven't been shown, yet, why we'd need one), but people have been marketed e-book readers extensively. As such, if you're considering a purchase, it's a natural comparison to make.

For example: "Well, I've been thinking about getting one of those e-book readers... and now Apple has this thing out that looks like I can do that... plus I can do a bunch of other stuff." For people who were considering an e-book reader, the "bunch of other stuff" is just icing. Of course, what they don't realize is that the "bunch of other stuff" is actually the cake.

:clap: well put.....pretty much sums up exactly what the iPad is & what is means to the eReader's market.

Rep fo sho

kaplin42
01-29-2010, 08:46 AM
Point to where I said this. I stated a fact: Apple apps can multitask, therefore it has multitasking capability.

*Sigh*

It has multitasking. Just only Apple-approved multitasking, which, I think 4.0 software will change. Or one can hope.

Im going off what the article said, and it said no multi-tasking. The guys and gals at gizmodo are pretty well respected, and have had their hands on the product. The author of the article I linked (and pasted) said NO MULTI-TASKING. You are saying that it has Apple approved mutli-tasking, so that leads me to believe that only Apple software can multi-task.


Point to where I or anyone said that? The initial starting price is $499. There's nothing but fact there.

The iPhone is $600 if you get it without a phone plan. Hell, as far as Apple is concerned it's $600 period, cause even with the phone plan AT&T makes up the difference. Thus, doing some simple math I came to the conclusion that the iPad is less than the iPhone.



If you consider me to be a fanboi, I hate to see what you think of the people more rabid than I.

I think the utter devotion that macaphiles have to apple is insane. Same for Microsoft whack jobs. Both companys have good products, both have shitty ones. This just happens to be a shitty one.



Doesn't mean they're wrong.

I'm not saying they're wrong, I'm saying they're right.



What I am saying IS True. It's true now and has been for a long while.

And you know this how? Do you have your hands on one? This is not an iMac it will not function the same way, and from the sounds of it, should not be considered anything more than a color e-reader.


Again, not true. Plenty of apps available. Of course, multitasking is probably what you're referring to but nonetheless it's misleading.


Sorry should have put "Mac Approved Software". Which apparently, Mac doesn't approve of Flash. On top of that, those iPhone apps will run at the same size they do on the iPhone. So yeah, pretty small window on your nice new tablet. F'ing Lame.

Man, don't let your true fanboi shine!



Actually, I thought the same thing. Until I read some articles and commentary from people who had hands on. Rick's post was pretty spot on with what I heard. You have to play with it to really have any say on it. It's screaming fast.

There really isn't a tablet market right now. There have been tablets but no one really has done anything worth while in the market. Best thing so far is Courier by MS but as always it's vaporware.

I think you underestimate the power of a large iPod Touch. It's not for me, at least right now. I'll wait for a couple revisions before buying. A) the software will mature B) Apple always increases specs and features without raising price and C) if you look at the iPod generations they got increasing features that made upgrading look good, I bet this follows suit.

It's funny cause this morning on my way to work they had the editor from http://techmeme.com/ on the morning radio show. And he was pimping the iPad. Saying that this is the future here today. But his arguments were this

1. You could leave it on your dinner table so you could read the paper or a magazine in the morning.

2. When not in use, you can prop it up and have pictures play on it, like a digital photo-frame.

3. Bonus to the Kindle over this is the EA lighting of the screen which looks more like a page than the back lighting of the iPad that looks like a computer screen.

4. Bonus of the iPad over the Kindle, is its in color, HD (720) and will be better for reading magazines such as Maxim.

5. Much like getting your iPhone wet or dirty and causing that device to wig out, the same will happen to the iPad. So maybe keeping it on the dinner table while eating is not such a good idea.

This guy who was avid about this device could not come up with any justifications on why to buy it. As I said before, this is a joke, that people will waste their time and money on.

On top of that, you are not even bothering to comment on anything else t he article said. No Flash, really? Needing adapters to connect devices to it, hell needing a special adapter to connect USB to it? F'ing Really?

On top of all that, I still stand on this

No Multitasking
This is a backbreaker. If this is supposed to be a replacement for netbooks, how can it possibly not have multitasking? Are you saying I can't listen to Pandora while writing a document? I can't have my Twitter app open at the same time as my browser? I can't have AIM open at the same time as my email? Are you kidding me? This alone guarantees that I will not buy this product.

If this is true, then this device fails.

Saulbadguy
01-29-2010, 08:50 AM
The more I think about it, I think this could be a cool device. I'd use it as a photo frame when not in use, and when i'm ready to use it, pick it up, and it is now a magazine, a web browser, a book, a newspaper, or digital pr0n delivery device.

If it just had flash...

kaplin42
01-29-2010, 09:07 AM
I think you're right. I like the idea of traveling with an IPad with 3G capability, GPS etc weighing only 1.5lbs versus a typical DELL Laptop that weighs 8lbs. It makes a big difference.

You could buy a netbook for less and run any software you wanted. Muti-tasking even.

kaplin42
01-29-2010, 09:14 AM
There's the real gist of it right there...

They could have consumed much more of an initial market just by doing a few of these simple and seemingly obvious things. Most of you know how much I support Mac. But I'm very disappointed in the iPad. The biggest kicker for me is that it's running iPhone OS instead of OS X.

I didn't get why they did this either, except to take more advantage of the App market on iTunes. Which brings up a question. If I buy an app for my iPhone, will I have to buy it again for my iPad?

That's beyond stupid, and I think it's the detail that will hurt them the most in the end.

The biggest market for this type of device is school/medical/record keeping roles. On the go data entry. The iPad will not allow that group to load the software they're already using. Along with Office, or other productivity software.

This sounds like NO MULTI-TASKING to me IJH

And it will require them to take extra steps with a lot of data transfer, as opposed to just connecting a flash drive or SD card. It limits the HD space for saving things locally too. Even 64GB won't be enough in some environments.

I understand the way Apple likes to "out do" certain niche markets, and limit overall versatility to increase specialized functionality. But IMO, the opportunity to take a stranglehold to a much more broad "versatile tablet/ebook/netbook" market far outweighs that. They could have given a pile driver to Kindle, Nook, and netbook manufacturers all at once with this single nifty device. But instead they "iPhone crippled" it and priced it low to compete.

Maybe the safe move will pay off in the end, but I think most would have preferred to see the huge splash...

Pretty solid man. I agree 100%

Fish
01-29-2010, 09:16 AM
The iPhone and iPod touch haven't run Flash natively in the years since their respective debuts, and it's pretty clear based on Steve Jobs's presentation yesterday that the iPad won't run Flash, either. When scrolling through the New York Times's main page, for example, where Flash ads or video might have been there were instead broken LEGO icons, big as life on the screen at the keynote.

Predictably, Adobe isn't happy about this, and is accusing Apple of "continuing to impose restrictions on their devices that limit both content publishers and consumers." They go on to say that without Flash support, "users will not be able to access the full range of web content, including over 70% of games and 75% of video on the web."

Let's work backwards from this. First of all, I'd be very interested to see where Adobe got those percentages. Apparently YouTube now accounts for a mere 25% of video on the internet? As for Hulu and a few of the other specific sites mentioned in Adobe's rant, now that Apple is in the business of selling content, exactly how is it in the company's best interest to provide access to that same content, through another company's platform, for free? And as far as games are concerned, once again Apple has this covered, through the App Store. Far from being limited, content publishers and consumers will merely have to adjust to a new method of publishing and consuming content: one that doesn't involve Adobe in any way.

I know anecdotal data is the worst kind there is, but in nearly a year of using my iPhone to connect to the internet, not only have I not missed Flash, I've been glad it isn't there. Flash's performance on Mac OS X is so abysmal that when YouTube announced an opt-in HTML5 beta to replace Flash, I bounced up and down in my office chair in glee. I can only imagine the bag of hurt that would be introduced if Apple let Flash run on its mobile devices.

If you want to know why Flash doesn't run on the iPhone, the iPod touch, or the iPad, why Flash will never run on those devices, and why that's a really good thing, check out this piece by Daring Fireball's John Gruber. One of the key points of Gruber's argument is that Flash is, by far, the biggest source of application crashes in OS X. Flash crashes so often that Apple's engineers went out of their way to create a new mechanism for running plugins in Snow Leopard; in 10.6, Flash runs as its own process rather than being lumped in with Safari, meaning than when (not if) Flash crashes, it doesn't bring all of Safari down with it. Considering Flash's poor stability and fan-blasting, CPU-hogging performance on the Mac, gee, why wouldn't Apple want it running on their mobile devices?

Want to see something that "imposes restrictions on content publishers and consumers?" Look no farther than Flash itself. According to the company's own (possibly made-up) numbers, 70% of games and 75% of video on the internet is all shuffled through one company's proprietary plugin. I don't know about you, but that sounds awfully restrictive to me. It seems like a really bad idea to let a single company have that much control over the creation and delivery of the internet's content, don't you think?.

With the iPhone and iPod touch we already have tens of millions of mobile devices owned by tens of millions of highly satisfied consumers, and not one of those devices runs Flash. With the advent of the iPad, we can expect millions more mobile devices to hit the market, and none of them will run Flash, either. Thanks to YouTube and vimeo, HTML5's star is on the rise for delivering free video content on the internet, and the App Store has gaming covered. There's no telling what the internet will look like in ten years, but one thing appears certain: if things continue as they have, Adobe will no longer have the stranglehold over video and gaming content that it enjoys today.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/adobe-on-flash-and-the-ipad-apple-is-continuing-to-impose-rest/

Man... that article is a piece of shit. And I'm not sure what the deal is, but the link you provided is for a different article than the one above. And amusingly, the article from the link you posted actually criticizes Apple for this move.

Regardless, the article is a retarded rant that is full of incorrect info and hypocritical criticisms.

Let me point out a few:

now that Apple is in the business of selling content, exactly how is it in the company's best interest to provide access to that same content, through another company's platform, for free? Couple things wrong here. First, Flash isn't "content". It's a free product that simply helps you view more content. Second, Apple wouldn't be providing access through another company's platform. It would be allowing additional content through their own platform. There's no missed profit. Apple loses nothing by doing so. They don't sell a "Flash competitor" app that does what Flash does.

I can only imagine the bag of hurt that would be introduced if Apple let Flash run on its mobile devices."Bag of hurt"? WTF? I've been running Flash on my iPhone for close to a year. Many many people have. It runs smoothly, performance has never been anything close to an issue. I've tested this on every version of the iPhone.

Flash is, by far, the biggest source of application crashes in OS X. Flash crashes so often that Apple's engineers went out of their way to create a new mechanism for running plugins in Snow Leopard; in 10.6, Flash runs as its own process rather than being lumped in with Safari, meaning than when (not if) Flash crashes, it doesn't bring all of Safari down with it.Simply not true. And Apple's engineers most certainly did not "go out of their way to create a new mechanism for running plugins" due to Flash. That change had nothing to do with Flash. They made that change because their Safari plugin support sucked overall and was miles behind other browsers in that regard. Safari is playing catch-up. And how logical is it to think that Apple "went out of their way" to redesign Safari to work better with a specific plugin that they refuse to allow on many of their devices? Yeah, makes perfect sense huh?

Far from being limited, content publishers and consumers will merely have to adjust to a new method of publishing and consuming content: one that doesn't involve Adobe in any way.OK, everybody else will just have to conform to Apple's method of publishing and consuming content.

It seems like a really bad idea to let a single company have that much control over the creation and delivery of the internet's content, don't you think?.Wait... check that, it's a bad idea to let one company control the publishing and consuming of content....

There's no telling what the internet will look like in ten years, but one thing appears certain: if things continue as they have, Adobe will no longer have the stranglehold over video and gaming content that it enjoys today.And yeah, we can't wait until Apple has a stranglehold over video and gaming content. :doh!: Did I mention the App Store?

That's just awful.

kaplin42
01-29-2010, 09:17 AM
Why do people just keep mentioning ebook readers..

lol

This does exponentially more than ebook readers. I don't even know how they can compare.

Yeah, it can be a digital picture frame too :)

The Rick
01-29-2010, 11:40 AM
I've been thinking about this quite a bit. I guess I'm starting to come around to the fact that the potential for the iPad doesn't lie in what we saw on Wednesday, the potential lies in the minds of the developers.

I'm starting to think the iPad will be huge because it's potential lies in the experience you'll get from the newspapers, magazines, games, etc. I think we're going to see some really cool stuff developed for this. Just gaming alone could be huge.