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Saul Good
01-31-2010, 07:35 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/31/iran-nuclear-us-missiles-gulf

Tension between the US and Iran heightened dramatically today with the disclosure that Barack Obama is deploying a missile shield to protect American allies in the Gulf from attack by Tehran.

The US is dispatching Patriot defensive missiles to four countries Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Kuwait and keeping two ships in the Gulf capable of shooting down Iranian missiles. Washington is also helping Saudi Arabia develop a force to protect its oil installations.

American officials said the move is aimed at deterring an attack by Iran and reassuring Gulf states fearful that Tehran might react to sanctions by striking at US allies in the region. Washington is also seeking to discourage Israel from a strike against Iran by demonstrating that the US is prepared to contain any threat.

The deployment comes after Obama's attempts to emphasise diplomacy over confrontation in dealing with Iran a contrast to the Bush administration's approach have failed to persuade Tehran to open its nuclear installations to international controls. The White House is now trying to engineer agreement for sanctions focused on Iran's Revolutionary Guard, believed to be in charge of the atomic programme.

Washington has not formally announced the deployment of the Patriots and other anti-missile systems, but by leaking it to American newspapers the administration is evidently seeking to alert Tehran to a hardening of its position.

The administration is deploying two Patriot batteries, capable of shooting down incoming missiles, in each of the four Gulf countries. Kuwait already has an older version of the missile, deployed after Iraq's invasion. Saudi Arabia has long had the missiles, as has Israel.

An unnamed senior administration official told the New York Times: "Our first goal is to deter the Iranians. A second is to reassure the Arab states, so they don't feel they have to go nuclear themselves. But there is certainly an element of calming the Israelis as well."

The chief of the US central command, General David Petraeus, said in a speech 10 days ago that countries in the region are concerned about Tehran's military ambitions and the prospect of it becoming a dominant power in the Gulf: "Iran is clearly seen as a very serious threat by those on the other side of the Gulf front."

Petraeus said the US is keeping cruisers equipped with advanced anti-missile systems in the Gulf at all times to act as a buffer between Iran and the Gulf states.

Washington is also concerned at the threat of action by Israel, which is predicting that Iran will be able to build a nuclear missile within a year, a much faster timetable than assessed by the US, and is warning that it will not let Tehran come close to completion if diplomacy fails.

The director of the CIA, Leon Panetta, met the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, and other senior officials in Jerusalem last week to discuss Iran.

Pro-Israel lobby groups in the US have joined Republican party leaders in trying to build public pressure on the administration to take a tougher line with Iran. One group, the Israel Project, has been running a TV campaign warning that Iran might supply nuclear weapons to terrorists.

"Imagine Washington DC under missile attack from nearby Baltimore," it says. "A nuclear Iran is a threat to peace, emboldens extremists, and could give nuclear materials to terrorists with the ability to strike anywhere."

Washington is also concerned that if Iran is able to build nuclear weapons, other states in the region will feel the need to follow. Israel is the only country in the Middle East to already have atomic bombs, although it does not officially acknowledge it.

The US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, said in London last week that the US will press for additional sanctions against Iran if it fails to curb its nuclear programme.

Europe's foreign affairs minister, Catherine Ashton, today said the UN security council should now take up the issue. "We are worried about what's happening in Iran. I'm disappointed at the failure of Iran to accept the dialogue and we now need to look again at what needs to happen there," she told Sky News.

"The next step for us is to take our discussions into the security council. When I was meeting with Hillary Clinton last week we talked about Iran and we were very clear this is a problem we will have to deal with."

However, China and Russia are still pressing for a diplomatic solution.

Tony Blair, Middle East envoy on behalf of the US, Russia, the UN and the EU, continually referred to what he described as the Iranian threat during his evidence at the Chilcot inquiry last Friday. Textual analysis now shows that he mentioned Iran 58 times.

Besides the new missile deployment, Washington is also helping Saudi Arabia to create a 30,000-strong force to protect oil installations and other infrastructure, as well as expanded joint exercises between the US and military forces in the region.

The move is a continuation of the military build-up begun under former president George W Bush. In the past two years, Abu Dhabi has bought $17bn (11bn) worth of weapons from the US, including the Patriot anti-missile batteries and an advanced anti-missile system. UAE recently bought 80 US-made fighter jets. It is also buying fighters from France.

Petraeus said in a speech in Bahrain last year the UAE air force "could take out the entire Iranian air force, I believe".

Missile defence

Patriot missiles are designed to intercept enemy missiles before they reach their target. Since production began in 1980, 9,000 missiles have been delivered to countries including Germany, Greece, Taiwan and Japan.

During the first Gulf war Patriot success was 70% in Saudi Arabia and 40% in Israel. Since then the US has spent more than $10bn (6.3bn) improving, among other aspects, the system's radar and computer compatibility for joint forces action. Once in position, the system requires a crew of only three people to operate. Each missile weighs 700kg and has a range of about 100 miles.

The US navy is in the process of upgrading all its Ticonderoga class cruisers and a number of destroyers to carry the Aegis ballistic missile defence system. It uses a surface-to-air missile that is capable of intercepting ballistic missiles above the atmosphere. It has also been tested on failing satellites as they fall to earth. Each missile is over 6m long and costs more than $9m.

BucEyedPea
01-31-2010, 07:45 PM
Donger just got wood.

Chocolate Hog
01-31-2010, 07:46 PM
Obama doesn't want war with Iran.

Saul Good
01-31-2010, 07:48 PM
When is Obama going to admit that his predecessor might not have been so wrong after all? Barack had all of these pie in the sky ideas, but his reality looks a lot like the previous 8 years...and the 8 years before that...and the 4 years before that.

mlyonsd
01-31-2010, 07:48 PM
Obama should be commended for finally being proactive.

It appears even he has figured out his rock star nobel status doesn't mean squat with Russia and China.

I wonder which one he called, Bush or Cheney at 3am to ask for advice?

Saul Good
01-31-2010, 07:55 PM
I wonder which one he called, Bush or Cheney at 3am to ask for advice?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr7odFUARg

(wish I knew how to embed)

Royal Fanatic
01-31-2010, 08:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr7odFUARg

(wish I knew how to embed)

You mean like this? :D

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Norman Einstein
01-31-2010, 08:11 PM
I wonder how far the ships had to travel?

Don't we already have a large contingent in the Persian Gulf?

Taco John
01-31-2010, 08:12 PM
(wish I knew how to embed)


You're going to be embarassed when you finally figure out how easy it is to do. :)

Saul Good
01-31-2010, 09:03 PM
You're going to be embarassed when you finally figure out how easy it is to do. :)

I'll teach you how to spell embarrassed if you'll teach me how to embed.

petegz28
01-31-2010, 09:06 PM
The deployment comes after Obama's attempts to emphasise diplomacy over confrontation in dealing with Iran – a contrast to the Bush administration's approach – have failed to persuade Tehran to open its nuclear installations to international controls.

Wow. Now there is a shocker!!!

Norman Einstein
01-31-2010, 09:15 PM
I'll teach you how to spell embarrassed if you'll teach me how to embed.

Now that was funny, I don't care who you are!

Saul Good
01-31-2010, 09:16 PM
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Wow. Now there is a shocker!!!

I'd like to read an article about a Reaganesque successor to Obama in the style of this author. "The deployment comes after Reagan's attempts to emphasise diplomacy over confrontation in dealing with Iran a contrast to the Obama administration's approach of capitulating, begging, and the generally emasculating the United States for the amusement of the rest of the world have once again reminded Tehran not to interrupt while grown ups are talking.

petegz28
01-31-2010, 09:22 PM
I'd like to read an article about a Reaganesque successor to Obama in the style of this author. "The deployment comes after Reagan's attempts to emphasise diplomacy over confrontation in dealing with Iran a contrast to the Obama administration's approach of capitulating, begging, and the generally emasculating the United States for the amusement of the rest of the world have once again reminded Tehran not to interrupt while grown ups are talking.

ROFL

Taco John
01-31-2010, 11:51 PM
I'll teach you how to spell embarrassed if you'll teach me how to embed.

Bwah! My spelling has slowly gone to hell over the years. I used to be a great speller. Now I just blow through words and hope I remember to spell check!

Look to the top right on the you tube pages. There is a field that says "embed". Click into that field and the entire embed code will become highlighted. Now hit (control+c).

Then simply paste that code where you want to embed it.

Chocolate Hog
01-31-2010, 11:54 PM
Obama has to start a war usually war time presidents get re-elected. It's not like he can run on the economy.

Silock
02-01-2010, 12:46 AM
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I'll be anxiously awaiting the EPIC FACEPALMS from the anti-war left... which won't come.

Hog Farmer
02-01-2010, 09:16 AM
Sounds like my "USO" stock is getting ready to jump !

petegz28
02-01-2010, 09:34 AM
I suspect something is going on with Israel. There was a blurb reported on that this morning. This was supposed to be secret and the Obama Admin. leaked it for the speculated reason to show Iran we are "getting tough". But Israel is involved for sure.

patteeu
02-01-2010, 09:46 AM
Obama has to start a war usually war time presidents get re-elected. It's not like he can run on the economy.

Obama's not going to win re-election on the basis of a war.

BigRedChief
02-01-2010, 09:56 AM
Obama's not going to win re-election on the basis of a war.nope, no matter what happens if the economy turns around he gets re-elected. It doesn't, he's toast.

Saul Good
02-01-2010, 07:51 PM
nope, no matter what happens if the economy turns around he gets re-elected. It doesn't, he's toast.

Define turned around. I will wager that, between now and the next election, unemployment does not fall below the level it was at on the day before the Democrats swept to power in the Senate in 2006.

Any takers?

go bowe
02-06-2010, 09:21 PM
Obama has to start a war usually war time presidents get re-elected. It's not like he can run on the economy.don't the two wars he inherited count?

he is escalating in afghanistan, does that count as starting a war?

at least he's escalating in the right place; afghanistan and pakistan are the main aq hideouts now, which is where we should have been concentrating our forces to destroy obama, er osama, and his henchmen...

go bowe
02-06-2010, 09:28 PM
Obama's not going to win re-election on the basis of a war.that's right...

he's gonna get re-elected because of sara palin...

either she gets the nomination outright or the tea party will drain enough votes away from the republicans that the dems will win relatively easily...

bob shrum seemed to relish the idea of a sara palin presidential candidate...

he seemed downright giddy at the prospect...

giddy, i say...

Chocolate Hog
02-06-2010, 10:52 PM
Obama's not going to win re-election on the basis of a war.

Thats how Bush won in 2004.

Norman Einstein
02-07-2010, 06:42 AM
Thats how Bush won in 2004.
Obama went in with the I'm going to end the war theme. Continuing beyond his "timetable" will do more harm than good. People will know that he was FOS then as well as at the next election.

If the control of the house and senate are reversed, as anticipated, he will be much less of a threat to the U.S. even if he does manage to get re-elected.

patteeu
02-07-2010, 08:20 AM
that's right...

he's gonna get re-elected because of sara palin...

either she gets the nomination outright or the tea party will drain enough votes away from the republicans that the dems will win relatively easily...

bob shrum seemed to relish the idea of a sara palin presidential candidate...

he seemed downright giddy at the prospect...

giddy, i say...

Could be. I hope not though. It's good to see you posting again either way. :thumb:

patteeu
02-07-2010, 08:23 AM
Thats how Bush won in 2004.

The anti-war sentiment is a lot higher in the democrat party than it was in the Republican party in 2004 (Ron Paul notwithstanding). A war might help Obama with the center, but it will hurt him with his base, IMO. Bush was helped in the center AND with his base.

Saul Good
02-07-2010, 08:30 AM
Obama is dangerously close to putting himself into a no win situation. If the economy doesn't turn around before the mid-term elections, he's screwed. Republicans will have a dramatic increase in power. When 2012 rolls around, Republicans will get credit for improving the economy if it gets better, but Democrats will likely take the blame if it doesn't.

notorious
02-07-2010, 12:24 PM
Isreal sees the US as a lot weaker then we used to be. Just by that perception, they have less respect for us and for our ability to make the hard decisions that need to be made for the good of Isreal..


I wouldn't be suprised if Isreal unleashes decades-worth of frustration in the upcoming years.