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KILLER_CLOWN
02-01-2010, 01:34 AM
The Sharp Dressed Man Who Aided Mutallab Onto Flight 253 Was U.S. Government Agent

Kurt Haskell
Infowars.com
January 30, 2010

Please note that in the article that follows, I am not claiming that the U.S. Government knew Mutallab had a bomb or intended to hurt anyone on Flight 253 when the U.S. Government let him board.

Since our flight landed on Christmas Day, Lori and I have been doing everything in our power to uncover the truth about why we were almost blown up in the air over Detroit. The truth is now finally out after the publication of the following Detroit News article:

http://detnews.com/article/20100127/NATION/1270405/Terror-suspect-kept-visa-to-avoid-tipping-off-larger-investigation

Let me quote from the article:

“Patrick F. Kennedy, an undersecretary for management at the State Department, said Abdulmutallab’s visa wasn’t taken away because intelligence officials asked his agency not to deny a visa to the suspected terrorist over concerns that a denial would’ve foiled a larger investigation into al-Qaida threats against the United States.

“Revocation action would’ve disclosed what they were doing,” Kennedy said in testimony before the House Committee on Homeland Security. Allowing Adbulmutallab to keep the visa increased chances federal investigators would be able to get closer to apprehending the terror network he is accused of working with, “rather than simply knocking out one solider in that effort.”‘

Now it all becomes apparent. Let me detail everything we know about the “Sharp Dressed Man” (SDM).

1. While being held in Customs on Christmas Day, I first told the story of the SDM.

2. My story has never changed.

3. The FBI visited my office on December 29, 2009, and showed me a series of approximately 10 photographs. None were of the SDM. I asked the FBI if they brought the Amsterdam security video to help me identify the SDM, but they acted as though my request was ridiculous. The FBI asked me what accent the SDM spoke in and I indicated that he had an American accent similar to my own. I further indicated that he wore a tan suit without a tie, was Indian looking, around age 50, 6′0″ tall and 250-260 lbs. I further indicated that I did not believe that he was an airline employee and that he was not on our flight.

4. During the first week of January, 2010, Dutch Military Police and the FBI indicated that over “200 Hours” of Amsterdam airport security video had been reviewed and it “Shows Nothing”.

5. The mainstream media picked up the “Shows nothing” story, which slanders my story. After visiting my office twice for a flight 253 special, Dateline NBC and Chris Hanson indicated that my story was “Unsubstantiated rumor dispelled as myth” and our story did not air during the tv special.

6. On January 2, 2010, I receive a call from a flight 253 passenger who indicated to me that it may be in my best interest to stop talking publicly about the SDM because he believes I am “wrong” in what I saw. He did not make any claim that he saw the SDM boarding gate incident at all. This call was made out of the blue after he made a “revelation” of this event on January 1, 2010. I later discover that this caller has ties to the U.S. Government.

7. On January 20, 2009, current Director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), Michael E. Leiter, made a startling admission. Leiter indicated that: “I will tell you, that when people come to the country and they are on the watch list, it is because we have generally made the choice that we want them here in the country for some reason or another.”

8. On January 22, 2010, CongressDaily reported that intelligence officials “have acknowledged the government knowingly allows foreigners whose names are on terrorist watch lists to enter the country in order to track their movement and activities.”

CongressDaily also reported, citing an unnamed “intelligence official” that Michael E. Leiter’s statement on January 20, 2010, reflected government policy and told the publication, “in certain situations it’s to our advantage to be able to track individuals who might be on a terrorist watch list because you can learn something from their activities and their contacts.”

9. On January 22, 2009, ABC News published an article that shoed a change of position in the government’s official story. Please see the following blog post for more information:

http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2010/01/initially-discounted.html

The U.S. government provided no explanation for the reason my story was initially discounted.

10. The SDM could not be from Al Qaeda. When speaking at the counter in Amsterdam, the SDM said the following “He is from Sudan, we do this all the time”. Who is “we”? If it is Al Qaeda, you surely don’t make such a statement to an airport security official.

11. The SDM could not be from airport security. The SDM did not dress in any security uniform and did not appear to have any security badge. The SDM did not speak with a Dutch accent. The SDM dressed in a suit coat and pants. If the SDM was a higher up security official, he would not have to convince the ticket agent to let Mutallab on the plane without a valid passport. Instead, he would just order her to do it.

12. Could the SDM have been a U.S. Government official? He dressed in a suit and not a security uniform. Check. He indicated we do this all the time. Could “we” be the U.S. Government? Check. He spoke English with an American accent. Check. Would he need to convince the ticket agent that this was a normal procedure to allow boarding without a passport? Check. Would he have the ability to obtain such clearance? Check. Could he enter this security area even though he wasn’t a passenger? Check. Would the ticket agent likely refer this request to a manager? Check. Would the U.S. Government not want this information public and try to hide it? Check.

13. The Amsterdam security video has not been released. A much more minor airport security violation occurred at the Newark New Jersay airport several days after the flight 253 incident. That video was released shortly thereafter.

14. Senators Levin and Stabenow, as well as Congressman Dingle, all refuse to discuss the matter with me.

With the information we already knew and the admission from the above referenced Detroit News article, we have evidence and claims made by government officials that the U.S. Government wanted Mutallab to proceed into the U.S. in order to obtain information on other terrorists involved with him. Once we take this statement and add it to my eyewitness account of a “Sharp Dressed Man” escorting Mutallab through the boarding process and allowing him to board without a valid passport we can make the connection that the “Sharp Dressed Man” was a U.S. Government official/agent.

The reasoning behind the following events now becomes very clear:

1. The reason Mutallab got through security despite the numerous warnings for months before our flight.

2. The reason why there have been so many lies from the U.S. Government attempting to discredit my eyewitness account.

3. The reason why the Amsterdam airport security video is being hidden from the public.

4. The reason why the government is proposing a “Failed to Connect the Dots” account of the failure. The truth is too damning.

5. The reason why Mr. Wolf of the Obama administration indicated on the Keith Olberman Show that the White House was investigating a possible “intentional act” from within the U.S. Government as the reason for the Christmas Day attack.

6. The explanation for the cameraman and why he hasn’t been identified (Obviously, he was another U.S. Government agent) whose job was to film Mutallab for some governmental purpose.

7. The reason for the lax security after landing, which can be attributed to foreknowledge of the possible suspects involved.

8. The reason for the failure to search or secure the plane and passengers after landing, which can also be attributed to foreknowledge of the possible suspects involved.

9. The corporate media’s attempt to bury my eyewitness account.

10. Carl Levin’s, Debbie Stabenow’s and John Dingle’s intentional avoidance of my story and failure to return my calls/emails.

11. Janet Naploitano’s statement that “The System Worked”. From her point of view it probably did as this WAS PART OF THE SYSTEM!

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http://www.infowars.com/the-sharp-dressed-man-who-aided-mutallab-onto-flight-253-was-u-s-government-agent/

BigRedChief
02-01-2010, 06:30 AM
huh, are you saying the government knew and allowed the terroist on the plane because it wanted to kill Americans? And if so what's the reason the government wants its own people dead?

NewChief
02-01-2010, 06:46 AM
huh, are you saying the government knew and allowed the terroist on the plane because it wanted to kill Americans? And if so what's the reason the government wants its own people dead?

I don't agree with it, but I can tell you the line of thinking: the government wants to perpetuate a War on Terror. Every once in a while, it has to make the threat real to the people in order to continue the everlasting war that is used as a vehicle to steal away our freedoms and prepare us for subjugation to the coming one world government.


Something along those lines at least.

BigRedChief
02-01-2010, 06:49 AM
I don't agree with it, but I can tell you the line of thinking: the government wants to perpetuate a War on Terror. Every once in a while, it has to make the threat real to the people in order to continue the everlasting war that is used as a vehicle to steal away our freedoms and prepare us for subjugation to the coming one world government.


Something along those lines at least.
Like we knew about the 9/11 plot and still allowed it to happen? Same conspiracy?

NewChief
02-01-2010, 06:50 AM
Like we knew about the 9/11 plot and still allowed it to happen? Same conspiracy?

I'm pretty sure, yeah.

BigRedChief
02-01-2010, 06:51 AM
I'm pretty sure, yeah.:facepalm:

KILLER_CLOWN
02-01-2010, 08:23 AM
Just following the facts, and as it turned out the man was no danger with what amounted to a firecracker in his pants. Yes welcome to 1984 the search for Emanuel Goldstein. This tactic is simply used to scare the American people into whatever Agenda they may be pushing.

BigRedChief
02-01-2010, 08:28 AM
Just following the facts, and as it turned out the man was no danger with what amounted to a firecracker in his pants. Yes welcome to 1984 the search for Emanuel Goldstein. This tactic is simply used to scare the American people into whatever Agenda they may be pushing.Dude, its a free country, believe whatever you want to believe but, comeon man.....the government kills its own citizens to keep the terriost threat real?

petegz28
02-01-2010, 08:30 AM
Like we knew about the 9/11 plot and still allowed it to happen? Same conspiracy?

Pearl Harbor. Gulf of Tonkin. Ring any bells?

petegz28
02-01-2010, 08:31 AM
Dude, its a free country, believe whatever you want to believe but, comeon man.....the government kills its own citizens to keep the terriost threat real?

Never would they kill or allow their own people to be killed to keep a threat real. They do however allow such for the profit involved in war.

ClevelandBronco
02-01-2010, 09:48 AM
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Apparently girls aren't the only people crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man.

orange
02-01-2010, 10:48 AM
Abdulmutallab Had Passport, Dutch Say
Suspected Terrorist Presented Valid Nigerian Passport, U.S. Visa in Amsterdam, Contradicting Reports about Airport Accomplice

THE HAGUE, Netherlands, Dec. 30, 2009


(CBS/AP) The suspected terrorist who tried to blow up Northwest Flight 253 Christmas day did present a passport to authorities in Amsterdam before boarding the Detroit-bound plane, Holland's counter-terrorism agency said Wednesday.

Abdulmutallab arrived in Amsterdam on Friday from Lagos, Nigeria. After a layover of less than three hours, he passed through a security check at the gate in Amsterdam, including a hand baggage scan and a metal detector, officials said.

Abdulmutallab was carrying a valid Nigerian passport and had a valid U.S. visa, the Dutch said. His name did not appear on any Dutch list of terror suspects.

The confirmation on Umar Farouq Abdulmutallab's passport comes after a fellow passenger claimed to have seen a possible accomplice help the 23-year-old Nigerian board the flight.

Kurt Haskell, a Michigan resident returning home from a safari in Uganda with his wife, told the Detroit Free Press that he noticed Abdulmutallab "because of who he was traveling with" - a wealthy looking Indian man in his 50s.

Haskell, who was playing cards near the ticket counter at Schipol Airport, said the Indian man told ticket agents that Abdulmutallab "needs to board the plane, but he doesn't have a passport. ... He's from Sudan. We do this all the time."

But the Dutch counter-terrorism unit's investigation into Abdulmutallab's passport pokes holes in the theory that the alleged bomber had help evading security.

Abdulmutallab allegedly tried to detonate an explosive device, which included the highly explosive chemical PETN as the flight prepared to land. The device, which was hidden in the suspect's pants, malfunctioned allowing fellow passengers to subdue the attacker.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/30/world/main6037474.shtml

orange
02-01-2010, 10:50 AM
Dutch say failed plane bomber acted alone

Dutch say failed plane bomber acted alone


REUTERS
Reuters US Online Report Top News

Jan 05, 2010 12:14 EST

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Nigerian man accused of trying to blow up a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas acted alone and probably smuggled the explosives from Nigeria, the Dutch public prosecutor said on Tuesday.

The prosecutor's office said Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab did not have an accomplice at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, as some other passengers on the flight had alleged.

Abdulmutallab, 23, the son of a prominent banker, flew from Lagos to Amsterdam on a KLM flight, arriving on Christmas Day. Prosecutors said the seats from that plane are still being examined for traces of explosives.

In Amsterdam, Abdulmutallab went through a profile interview and a security check before waiting at the gate for his flight.

He is charged with trying to blow up the flight, Northwest Flight 253, outside of Detroit with a highly explosive substance hidden in his underwear.

Some of the passengers on the plane had said they saw him accompanied at the gate in Amsterdam by an older, well-dressed Indian or Pakistani man. But the review of more than 200 hours of video showed no one with him, the officials said.

(Reporting by Ben Berkowitz; Editing by Jon Boyle)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/01/dutch_say_failed_plane_bomber_acted_alone.php

CoMoChief
02-01-2010, 10:58 AM
:facepalm:

Not to be the grey rain cloud here but do you really think 9/11 WASN'T an inside govt job?

Amnorix
02-01-2010, 11:03 AM
Not to be the grey rain cloud here but do you really think 9/11 WASN'T an inside govt job?

You really think it was? You think the government was involved in flying planes into buildings and killing thousands?

And that it was successfully covered up, notwithstanding the dozens of people that would need to be involved to pull that off?

Amnorix
02-01-2010, 11:04 AM
did he look like this?

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mdownes/bdhome/csm1.jpg

BigRedChief
02-01-2010, 11:08 AM
Not to be the grey rain cloud here but do you really think 9/11 WASN'T an inside govt job?dude, comeon. You need to step back and grab some reality. Our government has done some chitty things but allowing 9/11 to happen?:shake:

BigRedChief
02-01-2010, 11:09 AM
You really think it was? You think the government was involved in flying planes into buildings and killing thousands?

And that it was successfully covered up, notwithstanding the dozens of people that would need to be involved to pull that off?
The high # of people needed to keep this quiet and the Millions of $'s on the table to leak this information just doesn't make sense that it occuired.

CoMoChief
02-01-2010, 11:38 AM
How do you explain the Pentagon bombing?

Or about how immediately (were talking just minutes) video from Pentagon's surrounding area were confiscated by the FBI and other govt officials. Still hasn't been made public, No jetliner crashed into the Pentagon man. Theres just no way.

How about WTC building 7. That wasn't even hit from a plane. It just collapsed. Predetermined building detonation.

The WTC towers were built to sustain a jetliner to crash into it. BOTH towers fell at free fall speed. Detonation is the only way that could have happened.

Brock
02-01-2010, 11:39 AM
There's already a nutjob thread about 9/11, do we really need another one?

BigRedChief
02-01-2010, 12:21 PM
How do you explain the Pentagon bombing?

Or about how immediately (were talking just minutes) video from Pentagon's surrounding area were confiscated by the FBI and other govt officials. Still hasn't been made public, No jetliner crashed into the Pentagon man. Theres just no way. Sorry, but I know for a fact that an airliner hit the Pentagon on 9/11. And no, I'm not going to tell you how I know for a fact, but it happened.

Amnorix
02-01-2010, 02:31 PM
How do you explain the Pentagon bombing?

Or about how immediately (were talking just minutes) video from Pentagon's surrounding area were confiscated by the FBI and other govt officials. Still hasn't been made public, No jetliner crashed into the Pentagon man. Theres just no way.

How about WTC building 7. That wasn't even hit from a plane. It just collapsed. Predetermined building detonation.

The WTC towers were built to sustain a jetliner to crash into it. BOTH towers fell at free fall speed. Detonation is the only way that could have happened.

It just collapsed? Really? Did you even note taht the collapse was anticipated hours beforehand?

The WTC towers were built to sustain a jetliner full of fuel crashing into them? Really? Were they designed to support the weight of the floors crashing down on top of one another?

A little homework seems to be in order for you.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-01-2010, 04:50 PM
Dutch say failed plane bomber acted alone

Dutch say failed plane bomber acted alone


REUTERS
Reuters US Online Report Top News

Jan 05, 2010 12:14 EST

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Nigerian man accused of trying to blow up a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas acted alone and probably smuggled the explosives from Nigeria, the Dutch public prosecutor said on Tuesday.

The prosecutor's office said Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab did not have an accomplice at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, as some other passengers on the flight had alleged.

Abdulmutallab, 23, the son of a prominent banker, flew from Lagos to Amsterdam on a KLM flight, arriving on Christmas Day. Prosecutors said the seats from that plane are still being examined for traces of explosives.

In Amsterdam, Abdulmutallab went through a profile interview and a security check before waiting at the gate for his flight.

He is charged with trying to blow up the flight, Northwest Flight 253, outside of Detroit with a highly explosive substance hidden in his underwear.

Some of the passengers on the plane had said they saw him accompanied at the gate in Amsterdam by an older, well-dressed Indian or Pakistani man. But the review of more than 200 hours of video showed no one with him, the officials said.

(Reporting by Ben Berkowitz; Editing by Jon Boyle)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/01/dutch_say_failed_plane_bomber_acted_alone.php

That's some interesting propaganda considering Kurt Haskell was on the flight as a witness and noticed the terror suspects handler whom got him on the plane without a passport.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-01-2010, 04:52 PM
There's already a nutjob thread about 9/11, do we really need another one?

The only nutjob line is the official story, i'm into facts not fairy tails.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-01-2010, 04:58 PM
The Remaining Questions From Flight 253 And A Discussion Of The Possibilities

Kurt Haskell
Haskell Family Blog
Monday, February 1st, 2010

The following questions are those that we do not have adequate information (In my mind) on in order to make a final determination.

1. Who is the Man in Orange?
2. Did Mutallab know the Sharp Dressed Man?
3. Was it intended that the bomb explode?
4. Did the U.S. Government know that Mutallab had a bomb when it allowed him to board Flight 253?
5. Why is the U.S. Government seeking a plea deal for Mutallab?
6. Why did a fellow passenger call me to discuss changing my story?
7. Why are the important questions being ignored by the mainstream media?



1. Who is the Man in Orange?

The story of the Man in Orange has been previously discussed at length, so I will not state it again in this article, but who was he?

The following evidence supports the theory that we know the identity of the Man in Orange:

The Detroit Free Press released an account of Flight 253 passenger Samuel Pappy on January 29, 2010. It stated the following:

“Two bomb-sniffing dogs named Jordi and Brenda checked out hundreds of bags and carry-ons that had been deposited in Customs. They cleared every bag except one: The dogs keyed in on a soft-sided black carry-on belonging to Pappy, the Indian born man who said he helped calm other passengers during the flight.
Pappy, who lives in Georgia, said he was hand cuffed in front of other passengers, which he said he found humiliating. A police report said his bags were searched and cleared. He was released with other passengers later that afternoon”.

The Free Press account verifies the following aspects of the Man in Orange:

1. Indian Man
2. Bomb-sniffing dogs were alerted to his carry-on bag and no other bags.
3. He was taken away and questioned.

There is further evidence that Pappy may have been the Man in Orange. When a fellow passenger called me in an apparent attempt to get me to change my story, he did not attempt to change my story in regards to the Man in Orange. He actually concurred with my account.

While the evidence indicates strongly that Pappy was the Man in Orange a few questions are raised in my mind.

The following evidence supports the theory that we still do not know the identity of the Man in Orange:
1. Ron Smith, spokesperson for U.S. Customs, changed the official story of the Man in Orange 5 times. Each story appearing after a public statement from myself, which discredited the official version. Why?
2. My account of the Man in Orange indicated that he was NOT handcuffed when he was taken away, but he was handcuffed after he emerged from questioning. This appears to not correspond with version 6 of the official story, which appeared in the Free Press.
3. As he was exiting Flight 253, Mutallab indicated that another bomb was on the plane.
4. How often do bomb-sniffing dogs indicate a false positive?

2. Did Mutallab know the Sharp Dressed Man?

The story of the Sharp Dressed Man has previously been discussed at length and his identity has been proven(To my satisfaction) as an agent of the U.S. Government. However, did Mutallab know the Sharp Dressed Man?

The following evidence supports the theory that Mutallab did know the Sharp Dressed Man:

1. The two men approached the final ticket gate together.
2. The Sharp Dressed Man did all of the talking.
3. The Sharp Dressed Man indicated that Mutallab was from “Sudan”, which was an obvious lie.
4. The Sharp Dressed man advocated for Mutallab to board without showing a passport.
5. The U.S. Government is now admitting that Mutallab may have had help in making sure he did not get cold feet when boarding.

The following evidence supports the theory that Mutallab did not know the Sharp Dressed Man:

1. Mutallab was nervous and fidgety as he stood by the Sharp Dressed Man.
2. The account of Shama Chopra, the Montreal passenger who also saw Mutallab before boarding, also described Mutallab as being very nervous as he went through security.

3. Was it intended that the bomb explode?

The only reason I am here today is that Mutallab’s bomb did not explode. We have to ask whether it was ever intended to explode?

The following evidence supports the theory that the bomb was intended to explode:

1. Mutallab went all the way to Yemen to obtain the bomb.
2. It was stitched into his underwear.
3. The quantity of explosive was enough to blow up the plane.
4. Mutallab purchased a one-way ticket without luggage (except for one small carry-on bag).

The following evidence supports the theory that the bomb was not intended to explode:

1. The bomb required a detonator to explode. This bomb did not have (Or had a malfunctioning detonator) a detonator.
2. It is difficult to believe that Mutallab would plan for this event in such great detail, but not assure that it would work.
3. A camera man filmed the entire attack from before it started until after it ended.
4. The U.S. Government allowed Mutallab on the plane in order to track him in the U.S. and catch potential accomplices.

4. Did the U.S. Government know that Mutallab had a bomb when it allowed him to board Flight 253?

This is possibly the most important question to be answered.

The following is evidence that the U.S. Government knew Mutallab had a bomb when he boarded Flight 253:

1. The U.S. Government had pre-purchased body scanning machines.
2. The U.S. Government had already begun bombing Yemen.
3. The camera man on the plane. Although, this would indicate that the U.S. Government knew Mutallab had a defective bomb.
4. The extensive evidence over the months leading up to the flight, which included wire tapped intercepts indicating that someone named “Umar Farouk” would be attempting a terrorist attack.
5. Michael Chertoff’s ties to the company that produces the body scanning machines.

The following is evidence that the U.S. Government did not know that Mutallab had a bomb when he boarded Flight 253:

1. It is almost incomprehensible to believe that the U.S. Government would intentionally allow it’s citizens to be blown up (Although, this would not be the case if it knew that Mutallab’s bomb was defective).
2. The bomb was in Mutallab’s underwear and may have been difficult to find.

5. Why is the U.S. Government seeking a plea deal for Mutallab?

One has to wonder why the government wants a plea deal when the U.S. Government has plenty of evidence to convict Mutallab.

The following evidence supports the theory that the U.S. Government has a legitimate reason for seeking a plea deal:
1. To seek additional evidence from Mutallab to catch accomplices.
2. To spare the cost of a trial (However, this trial would be very short and not too costly).

The following evidence supports the theory that the U.S. Government does not have a legitimate reason for seeking a plea deal:

1. There is plenty of evidence to convict Mutallab.
2. His crime was particularly heinous and he does not deserve a lenient sentence.
3. Anything less than a life sentence without the possibility of parole would be ridiculous.
4. Mutallab could have been treated as an enemy combatant and denied a court appointed attorney, which could have had the same result as a plea deal, as far as obtaining additional evidence. The U.S. Government already admitted that Mutallab was telling all until his attorney arrived.
5. The truth of the story would be known when evidence was presented at trial.

6. Why did a fellow passenger call me to discuss changing my story?

Approximately one week after Flight 253, and after I had been telling my story to the media, I received a call from a fellow passenger. The important parts of the conversation were as follows:

1. “Kurt, I think you should stop telling your story about the ‘Sharp Dressed Man’. It was an unaccompanied minor that you saw. I am sure of it. He was escorted on the flight by an airline employee. I saw him after we landed with the employee. You will look stupid when the truth comes out”.
2. “Remember when we took the buses from the plane to the terminal”?
3. “I thought you were crazy when I heard you in the media, but yesterday(One week after the flight) I had a revelation and remembered what happened”.

Lets look at the reason this call was made and the importance of the above statements.

The following evidence indicates that the call was made from a concerned fellow passenger:

1. The caller was pleasant and appeared to be concerned.
2. My wife verified that he was, in fact, on our plane.
3. Maybe he did see something, but was something different than what I saw.
4. He did not say that he saw the Sharp Dressed Man before boarding.
5. He provided, on its face, a seemingly believable story.

The following evidence indicates that the call was made from someone trying to “shut me up”.

1. The call was made after the caller had a revelation one week after the flight. This would be a highly unlikely event.
2. I have since discovered that the caller has ties to the U.S. Government.
3. U.S. Customs has indicated that there were no unaccompanied minors on our flight.
4. To have an airline employee as an escort, the minor must be age 11 or younger. Although Mutallab looks young (15 or 16 by my estimation), he does not look 11.
5. Why the call out of the blue to me?
6. The statement that we took buses to the terminal was not true. This statement could have been made in an effort to make me believe that the plane landed far away from the terminal. This, if true, would cover up the post-landing gaffes indicated in the January 29, 2010, Detroit News article.
7. Why indicate that he thought I was crazy? Possibly as a subliminal put down to me to make me not talk to the media.
8. Although I have since spoken to many passengers, none have indicated that they saw an unaccompanied minor either before or after landing. One passenger, however, did indicate to me that she saw Mutallab escorted by another individual to the final ticket counter.
9. The numerous amount of evidence that has since come out and now indicates that the U.S. Government intentionally let Mutallab on Flight 253.
10. The U.S. Government knew at that time, that I could not be intimidated by a government official and knew it had to try an alternative means to stop my story from getting out to the public.
11. The caller has since made the following peculiar statement (Which may not be an exact quote but it is close), which is odd considering that it is coming from a victim of a recent terrorist attack:

“The American public should forget about Flight 253 and focus on health care and the economy”.

This statement appears to be a statement more attributable to a government official then a passenger of Flight 253.

7. Why are the important questions being ignored by the main stream media?

It would seem that in a free country the press would be investigative on all important questions, including those that may show corrupt/grossly negligent activities by its own government. However, as often has been the case, the mainstream media is all too quick to put the “official” story out to the public and not ask the difficult questions. As I am finding out, it is very difficult for a normal everyday citizen to have his concerns heard in the media. Any official statement from the government, however, is immediately reported worldwide. One has to wonder whether the ties between the large corporations that run the media and the U.S. Government itself, have become so tight as to jeopardize the freedom and safety of the U.S. citizens. It has come to the point that some are calling my wife and I heroes for insisting on the truthful reporting of this story. That is a very sad statement, because we are not heroes, but only eyewitnesses. The belief that we are heroes, speaks of the current sad state of affairs in this country. Those that have something to say are scared to come forward with the truth. The United States of America is no longer a free country.

I look forward to hearing the responses to this post. I know some of you will feel strongly in support of one side or the other on each of the above questions. However, I take no position on these questions at this time. I also look forward to hearing any other questions anyone would like me to blog about, as this is a very involved story and I acknowledge that I may have missed some further unresolved questions.

http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2010/01/remaining-questions-from-flight-253-and.html

Brock
02-01-2010, 06:15 PM
The only nutjob line is the official story, i'm into facts not fairy tails.

If by facts you mean paranoid fantasies, I agree with your statement.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-01-2010, 06:23 PM
If by facts you mean paranoid fantasies, I agree with your statement.

Do some research and look at both sides, please tell me which one is logical and which one couldn't have happened the way it's presented.

orange
02-01-2010, 10:08 PM
That's some interesting propaganda considering Kurt Haskell was on the flight as a witness and noticed the terror suspects handler whom got him on the plane without a passport.

Beau Taylor was also a witness on the flight who says Haskell is full of beans:

Last Updated: January 05. 2010 1:00AM
Passenger's account of Flight 253 suspect disputed
Flier says man who tried to get on flight may be from Sudan
Paul Egan / The Detroit News


A passenger on the Christmas Day flight that was targeted in a terrorist attack says the man a fellow passenger saw attempting to board the flight without a passport may have been a Sudanese refugee, not the accused bomber.

Beau Taylor of Jackson, an international development consultant who was aboard the flight from Amsterdam, said he saw a young man being accompanied on the airplane by a flight attendant.

The young man resembled Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the 23-year-old Nigerian charged with using chemicals hidden in his underwear to try to blow up Northwest Flight 253, Taylor said.


Kurt Haskell, a Taylor attorney who also was aboard the flight, said he witnessed an incident near the boarding gate in Amsterdam in which a well-dressed man appeared to be negotiating with airline officials to get Abdulmutallab aboard the flight without a passport. The man appeared to be trying to pass Abdulmutallab off to airline officials as a Sudanese refugee, Haskell said.

But officials in Nigeria have said Abdulmutallab had a valid Nigerian passport with a multi-entry U.S. visa when he began his journey in Lagos on Christmas Eve. Agents confiscated both documents after Abdulmutallab arrived in Detroit, a person familiar with the investigation said.

Taylor said Haskell may have mistaken the minor he saw on the airplane for Abdulmutallab. The well-dressed man was likely an airline employee and the minor may have actually been a Sudanese refugee without a passport, Taylor said.

Airline officials could not confirm Monday whether an unaccompanied minor or a refugee without a passport was aboard the flight.

Haskell said it's possible the scenario described by Taylor explains what he witnessed and overheard in Amsterdam but he is unconvinced and remains fairly certain about his version of events.

Haskell noted there had been foreign media reports in which Dutch military police said they planned to review security videos from the boarding gate area to check the veracity of his account.

"Put the video out there to prove I'm wrong," Haskell said.

Federal officials for several days denied accounts by Haskell and his wife, Lori, also an attorney, that they had seen a second man from their flight led away in handcuffs at Detroit Metro after a dog reacted to something inside the man's bag.

But late Friday, Ron Smith, the chief U.S. Customs and Border Protection officer for Detroit, confirmed that the incident did happen and apologized for not correcting the information earlier. He said the man from Flight 253, who was handcuffed, later was released without charges.

pegan@detnews.com Nathan Hurst contributed.



From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100105/METRO/1050370/#ixzz0eLtH6oUo


So the conspiracy must also include (1) the Dutch authorities in Amsterdam, (2) the Nigerian authorities in Lagos, (3) Beau Taylor (American) of Jackson, MI, (4) the Northwest Airlines personnel who deny anything screwy took place; oh, and let's not forget (5) all the other passengers and crew who do not support Haskell's claim (including Lori Haskell who admits she didn't see the SDM because she was too busy trying to win the card game with her husband).

That's quite a lineup.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-01-2010, 10:29 PM
Beau Taylor was also a witness on the flight who says Haskell is full of beans:


That's quite a lineup.

Authorities Quietly Reverse Underwear Bomber Official Story

Eyewitness Kurt Haskell’s description of accomplice vindicated after weeks of denial

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, January 28, 2010

Authorities have quietly reversed the official story behind the Christmas Day underwear bomber attack and acknowledged that an accomplice was involved, despite weeks of denial and derision of eyewitness Kurt Haskell’s description of a sharp-dressed man who helped Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab board Flight 253 in Amsterdam.

Buried in the last two paragraphs of a story about alleged female suicide bombers coming from Yemen, an ABC News report contains the following bombshell.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/female-suicide-bombers-heading-yemen/story?id=9636341&page=2

“Federal agents also tell ABCNews.com they are attempting to identify a man who passengers said helped Abdulmutallab change planes for Detroit when he landed in Amsterdam from Lagos, Nigeria.”

“Authorities had initially discounted the passenger accounts, but the agents say there is a growing belief the man have played a role to make sure Abdulmutallab “did not get cold feet.”

Detroit lawyer Kurt Haskell maintained from the beginning that he saw a well-dressed Indian man aid the accused bomber to board the plane despite the fact that he had no passport and was on a terror watch list.

“While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, ‘He’s from Sudan and we do this all the time,’” reported the Michigan Live news website.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_says_at_l.html

FBI agents interviewed Haskell and he told them about the sharp-dressed man but officials refused to admit that a wider conspiracy was at hand, stoically maintaining the official story that Abdulmutallab had acted alone. Authorities claimed that videotapes did not show a second man accompanying Abdulmutallab and yet they refused to release any footage of the alleged bomber.

“Why is this not total breaking news?” asks Haskell’s wife on their family blog. “I think we now know WHY the video is not being released. Because IT SHOWS WHAT KURT SAID!!!!!! I mean, where is his apology? Where? They come out in the media, basically calling Kurt a liar, then they take it back, but it is in the bottom of another nonrelated article. Ridiculous. And still, to date, no authorities contacting KURT to ask him to look at the freaking video and help identify the guy. It’s so insane to me. We have an eyewitness to this, and they just don’t care.”

There seems little doubt that Abdulmutallab had at least one accomplice if not more. Authorities have remained silent on other eyewitness reports which described a man intently filming the alleged terrorist throughout the whole flight, a connection that strongly suggests the attempted bomber was involved in some kind of drill and that his strings were being pulled by people in more senior positions.

In addition, Flight 253 passengers reported seeing a third man connected to the incident being handcuffed by FBI agents after sniffer dogs found something suspect in his luggage. After initially denying any knowledge of this individual, authorities were forced to acknowledge his existence but claimed he had nothing to do with the attempted attack, completely contradicting multiple eyewitness accounts that state passengers were moved from a waiting area after it was made clear to them that a bomb had been found.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/officials-claim-second-man-unrelated-to-christmas-attack.html

The fact that Abdulmutallab’s accomplices were all described as being Indian in appearance would contradict the story that has been spun around the issue in an effort to sell the public on naked body scanners in airports as well as deeper U.S. military involvement in Yemen.

The ludicrous spectacle of long-deceased boogeyman Osama bin Laden apparently claiming responsibility for the attempted attack this past weekend only confirmed that a fairytale was being contrived which was totally at odds with what eyewitnesses described.

Now that Haskell’s eyewitness account has been vindicated, it remains to be seen whether evidence of a wider conspiracy will be investigated or buried. There seems little doubt that the latter will be the case if Abdulmutallab’s accomplices don’t conveniently lead back to the Al-Qaeda patsies the establishment has already framed for the attack.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/authorities-quietly-reverse-underwear-bomber-official-story.html

Look at the dates on the articles you posted orange. Also Note what would Mr. Haskell have to gain from lying as opposed what do the authorities have to gain from covering up?

orange
02-01-2010, 10:45 PM
Authorities Quietly Reverse Underwear Bomber Official Story

...

Look at the dates on the articles you posted orange. Also Note what would Mr. Haskell have to gain from lying as opposed what do the authorities have to gain from covering up?

The fact is - despite the screamer headline from Prison Planet - there's been nothing new on this since then. Note that the testimony in your original post by Patrick Kennedy doesn't support Haskell at all. Kennedy testified that Abdulmutallab did have a valid visa. And as for that little blurb from ABC - if true and not just some bureaucrat echoing "yeah, we're on it," it kind of shoots the whole "government coverup" angle down, doesn't it?

As for Haskell - I doubt he's lying - he's just gone overboard in defending what he believes. Here's a post about Haskell by Beau Taylor himself:


Posted by Beau Taylor
January 04, 2010, 2:56PM
I am Beau Taylor ANSI want to add context. I believe 100% in the sincerety of the haskels. In fact, I fully agree with the poor investigative work of both FBI and customs. They contaminated thecrime scene, didn't know what was going on and released us without searching bags or electronics. Further, we were allowed, and in fact forced to use the bathrooms individually Before customs even knew what happened on board, potentially allowing anaccomplice to destroy evidence.

I am involving myself at this point because I believe bunch of wack job conspiracy theorists have hijacked the debate. From my perspective. The authorities couldn't pull off a proper investigtion, let alone a cover up. I saw the African person escorted on theplaneand with an airline in customs. He dud in fact look like the bomber andfit the haskels description perfect.

This COULD be a possible explanation. That is all I am saying. I simply didn't want the haskels discredited over this because they are standing up for the truth.

The conspiracy accounts in previous posts have too many factual errors to mention. These wavk jobs probably think we didn't land on the moon and are the real publicity seakers. This was a boondogle, not some vast conspiracy. Fromwhat I saw, the FBI has slot of questions to answer about how they conduct post incident investigation.


I did see a cameraman on board taping, from around seat 31b. Zit wasn't stills and not a camera phone. It was a hand held camcorder. No one should havelefttheairport until this was found. I hope it has and just hasn't been released.

I applaud the haskels for having the courage to speak up. To thepeople who are distorting facts to fit in with their Mossad-CIA-conspiracy, you are offending all of the people who wee on the flight. Let's have anhonest account of the facts sans hyperbole. You will see lack ofcompetence, foresight, preparedness and forensics. The olby thing that worked waspassenger intervention and cabin crew intervention, both NOT part of the "system". Ironic that the only thing that worked was not planned.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/01/kurt_and_lori_haskell_we_talke.html

CoMoChief
02-01-2010, 11:07 PM
It just collapsed? Really? Did you even note taht the collapse was anticipated hours beforehand?

The WTC towers were built to sustain a jetliner full of fuel crashing into them? Really? Were they designed to support the weight of the floors crashing down on top of one another?

A little homework seems to be in order for you.

The building fell straight down at free fall speed in such a way were it wouldn't cause too much damage to the surrounding buildings, just like a controlled blast.

No one still can explain WTC building 7. That wasn't even hit by a plane. Did it just magically fall?

Jenson71
02-01-2010, 11:27 PM
The building fell straight down at free fall speed in such a way were it wouldn't cause too much damage to the surrounding buildings, just like a controlled blast.

No one still can explain WTC building 7. That wasn't even hit by a plane. Did it just magically fall?

There was a huge, official report on it that came out about a year and a half ago. Read it here: http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf

Basically, debris from the main towers started fires in the building, and the water system was junk and the sprinklers didn't work, so it collapsed after an afternoon of burning.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-02-2010, 12:05 AM
There was a huge, official report on it that came out about a year and a half ago. Read it here: http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf

Basically, debris from the main towers started fires in the building, and the water system was junk and the sprinklers didn't work, so it collapsed after an afternoon of burning.

They've changed their story several times, check out Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

KILLER_CLOWN
02-02-2010, 12:09 AM
The fact is - despite the screamer headline from Prison Planet - there's been nothing new on this since then. Note that the testimony in your original post by Patrick Kennedy doesn't support Haskell at all. Kennedy testified that Abdulmutallab did have a valid visa. And as for that little blurb from ABC - if true and not just some bureaucrat echoing "yeah, we're on it," it kind of shoots the whole "government coverup" angle down, doesn't it?

As for Haskell - I doubt he's lying - he's just gone overboard in defending what he believes. Here's a post about Haskell by Beau Taylor himself:


Posted by Beau Taylor
January 04, 2010, 2:56PM
I am Beau Taylor ANSI want to add context. I believe 100% in the sincerety of the haskels. In fact, I fully agree with the poor investigative work of both FBI and customs. They contaminated thecrime scene, didn't know what was going on and released us without searching bags or electronics. Further, we were allowed, and in fact forced to use the bathrooms individually Before customs even knew what happened on board, potentially allowing anaccomplice to destroy evidence.

I am involving myself at this point because I believe bunch of wack job conspiracy theorists have hijacked the debate. From my perspective. The authorities couldn't pull off a proper investigtion, let alone a cover up. I saw the African person escorted on theplaneand with an airline in customs. He dud in fact look like the bomber andfit the haskels description perfect.

This COULD be a possible explanation. That is all I am saying. I simply didn't want the haskels discredited over this because they are standing up for the truth.

The conspiracy accounts in previous posts have too many factual errors to mention. These wavk jobs probably think we didn't land on the moon and are the real publicity seakers. This was a boondogle, not some vast conspiracy. Fromwhat I saw, the FBI has slot of questions to answer about how they conduct post incident investigation.


I did see a cameraman on board taping, from around seat 31b. Zit wasn't stills and not a camera phone. It was a hand held camcorder. No one should havelefttheairport until this was found. I hope it has and just hasn't been released.

I applaud the haskels for having the courage to speak up. To thepeople who are distorting facts to fit in with their Mossad-CIA-conspiracy, you are offending all of the people who wee on the flight. Let's have anhonest account of the facts sans hyperbole. You will see lack ofcompetence, foresight, preparedness and forensics. The olby thing that worked waspassenger intervention and cabin crew intervention, both NOT part of the "system". Ironic that the only thing that worked was not planned.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/01/kurt_and_lori_haskell_we_talke.html


Who wrote that? faked moon landings? so anyone that reports the facts is hereby considered a wvckjob conspiracy thvroistitsst? and what does that mean?

KILLER_CLOWN
02-02-2010, 12:19 AM
Officials Admit Second Man Detained As More Witnesses Emerge

Two more eyewitnesses contradict FBI’s denial that Abdulmutallab had possible accomplices

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, December 30, 2009

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials have admitted that a second man possibly carrying explosives was detained after last week’s aborted plane bombing attack, contradicting initial statements by the FBI that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was the only person arrested or charged in relation to Friday’s foiled attack.

As we reported yesterday, attorney and Flight 253 eyewitness Kurt Haskell said that he saw a well-dressed Indian man aid the accused bomber to board the plane despite the fact that he had no passport and was on a terror watch list. After the incident, while the passengers were being detained, Haskell witnessed an Indian man being handcuffed and led away after a bomb-sniffing dog had flagged up his luggage. The FBI then removed the other passengers from the area, strongly indicating that explosive materials had been found in the man’s bag.

Officials have now been forced to acknowledge that a second man was detained despite initial FBI denials after two more witnesses came forward to validate Haskell’s account.

“Daniel Huisinga of Fairview, Tenn., who was returning from an internship in Kenya for the holidays, says he also saw a man being taken away in handcuffs at the airport after a dog search. A third person, Roey Rosenblith, told The Huffington Post on Sunday that he saw a man in a suit being placed into handcuffs and escorted out, as well,” reports Michigan Live.

“Huisinga talked about seeing a man taken away at the airport during an interview Monday on MSNBC. He mentions it at about the 1:25 mark of the video below. The reporter appears to confuse Huisinga’s account with a man who was detained on a separate flight Sunday and deemed not to be a threat.”

Huisinga later told Michigan Live that the Indian man who was later detained by the FBI after dogs had detected something suspicious in his baggage was “wearing a nice suit,” raising questions as to whether this was the same man who helped Abdulmutallab board the plane. Huisinga was located about 20 feet from where the man was handcuffed.

Huisinga shared Haskell’s view that the passengers were moved because more explosives had been discovered, adding that agents told the passengers that they could not use their cell phones or computers. “We were kind of left to draw our own conclusions,” he said.

“It is unknown why the person was detained or whether the person will face any charges,” U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Ron Smith told MLive.com.

The FBI is still denying that a second person was detained in relation to the incident, raising suspicions as to whether the well-dressed Indian man is being protected by the authorities and for what reason.

“There’s a lot of stories out there, whether any of them are accurate or not, or they’re a little bit accurate and blown out of proportion,” FBI spokesman Bill Carter said. “But I’m not aware of anyone charged or arrested other than Abdulmutallab.”

MLive.com writers attempted to contact the U.S. Department of Justice for clarification, but their calls have not been returned.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roey-rosenblith/over-detroit-skies_b_404255.html

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_tells_msn.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/officials-admit-second-man-detained-as-more-witnesses-emerge.html

KILLER_CLOWN
02-02-2010, 12:23 AM
There was a huge, official report on it that came out about a year and a half ago. Read it here: http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf

Basically, debris from the main towers started fires in the building, and the water system was junk and the sprinklers didn't work, so it collapsed after an afternoon of burning.

I would strongly suggest watching this AE911 Truth Slideshow

http://www.ae911truth.org/ppt_web/10min/slideshow.php?i=4&lores=1

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-02-2010, 01:26 AM
Not to be the grey rain cloud here but do you really think 9/11 WASN'T an inside govt job?

Ladies and Gentleman, CoMo.