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The Mad Crapper
02-03-2010, 09:00 AM
The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=8d3b076bd4de14bbda5aba699e80621d&tab=core&_cview=1&cck=1&au=&ck=

Chief Henry
02-03-2010, 09:25 AM
wtf

The Mad Crapper
02-03-2010, 09:27 AM
wtf

It's open season on taxpayers!

KILLER_CLOWN
02-03-2010, 09:30 AM
Pay the mafia criminals or swim with the fishes baby.

talastan
02-03-2010, 09:34 AM
That's for all of us right-wing domestic terrorists who support a third party or the fairtax.

Silock
02-03-2010, 09:34 AM
Wait, I thought Obama wanted an assault weapons ban...

Hydrae
02-03-2010, 09:37 AM
They are going to start a war with those 60 shotguns.

Heck, I live in Texas. There are probably more than 60 shotguns on my block.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-03-2010, 09:37 AM
Wait, I thought Obama wanted an assault weapons ban...

Only on the citizen slaves, the criminals will keep theirs.

talastan
02-03-2010, 09:44 AM
They are going to start a war with those 60 shotguns.

Heck, I live in Texas. There are probably more than 60 shotguns on my block.

They're not dumb enough to start a war, but seriously you have to wonder why agents of the IRS are armed? FBI, DEA, CIA, ATF, and now the IRS.....wow I got to join one of those three letter acromnyms before they make private gunownership illegal.

Radar Chief
02-03-2010, 09:57 AM
Remington 870. Nice shotgun.

The Mad Crapper
02-03-2010, 09:59 AM
Remington 870. Nice shotgun.

Only the best for federal employees! After all, we're paying for it!

talastan
02-03-2010, 10:03 AM
Only the best for federal employees! After all, we're paying for it!

(Followed by facepalm)

The Mad Crapper
02-03-2010, 10:05 AM
We're paying for shotguns, ACORN funding, Nancy's booze...

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/air-pelosi.jpg

Mr. Kotter
02-03-2010, 10:12 AM
So...I take it you endorse rampant tax evasion and fraud, and don't think the government ought to prepare for the possiblity of violent confrontation against domestic terrorists and scum of the earth law-breakers....who instead of exercising their right to live somewhere else, choose to continue to live here....instead may violently resist the laws of our land???

:hmmm:

Radar Chief
02-03-2010, 10:13 AM
Only the best for federal employees! After all, we're paying for it!

Remington. Getting capped by anything less just won’t do. ;)

tooge
02-03-2010, 10:13 AM
Why do I picture a Rick Moranis (gohstbusters) type of CPA guy toting a shotgun when I read this? For some reason I'm not scared.

Hydrae
02-03-2010, 10:23 AM
So...I take it you endorse rampant tax evasion and fraud, and don't think the government ought to prepare for the possiblity of violent confrontation against domestic terrorists and scum of the earth law-breakers....who instead of exercising their right to live somewhere else, choose to continue to live here....instead may violently resist the laws of our land???

:hmmm:

I believe that is where you would involve an agency like the FBI. :shrug:

The Mad Crapper
02-03-2010, 10:24 AM
So...I take it you endorse rampant tax evasion and fraud, and don't think the government ought to prepare for the possiblity of violent confrontation against domestic terrorists and scum of the earth law-breakers....who instead of exercising their right to live somewhere else, choose to continue to live here....instead may violently resist the laws of our land???

:hmmm:

Timothy Geithner? Tom Daschle? Charlie Rangel?

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 10:48 AM
U.S. agrees to timetable for UN Gun Ban (http://nationalgunrights.org/blog/?p=359#more-359)

The United Nations and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are moving forward with their plan to confiscate your guns.

The United States joined 152 other countries in support of the Arms Trade Treaty Resolution, which establishes the dates for the 2012 UN conference intended to attack American sovereignty by stripping Americans of the right to keep and bear arms.

Working groups of anti-gun countries will begin scripting language for the conference this year, creating a blueprint for other countries when they meet at the full conference.

The stakes couldn’t be higher.....(more)


http://www.nationalgunrights.org/images/nagr_unsmallarms.gif

Meanwhile keep all your attention on the ME and Iran righties. That's the red-herring to help your side selling us out too.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 10:49 AM
Timothy Geithner? Tom Daschle? Charlie Rangel?

I was about to post the same thing. Keeping the fruits or one's own labor is now a crime—to commies and socialists.

HonestChieffan
02-03-2010, 10:51 AM
That setup would be a great hope protection weapon. Good to see them buy American.

Hog Farmer
02-03-2010, 11:13 AM
U.S. agrees to timetable for UN Gun Ban (http://nationalgunrights.org/blog/?p=359#more-359)

The United Nations and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are moving forward with their plan to confiscate your guns.

The United States joined 152 other countries in support of the Arms Trade Treaty Resolution, which establishes the dates for the 2012 UN conference intended to attack American sovereignty by stripping Americans of the right to keep and bear arms.

Working groups of anti-gun countries will begin scripting language for the conference this year, creating a blueprint for other countries when they meet at the full conference.

The stakes couldn’t be higher.....(more)


http://www.nationalgunrights.org/images/nagr_unsmallarms.gif

Meanwhile keep all your attention on the ME and Iran righties. That's the red-herring to help your side selling us out too.


We've got the 2nd Amendment though. I think there will be a few states receding from the U.S. if this were to be signed. I know my governer won't go for this shit.

morphius
02-03-2010, 11:21 AM
I believe that is where you would involve an agency like the FBI. :shrug:
Yup, I can't think of any point in time when the IRS should be arming themselves for anything, at best it is a duplication of jobs, at worst a very terrible abuse and overstepping of authority.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 11:21 AM
We've got the 2nd Amendment though. I think there will be a few states receding from the U.S. if this were to be signed. I know my governer won't go for this shit.

Yeah but look what is says about where Hillary is at...even Obama and those in his administration. Or the goals of the UN. Now couple it with the IRS being armed under this administration. Scarey!!

Mr. Kotter
02-03-2010, 12:01 PM
I was about to post the same thing. Keeping the fruits or one's own labor is now a crime—to commies and socialists.

Yeah, those guy's stupidity can be mistaken as violence....by slower folks I guess. :rolleyes:

Yup, I can't think of any point in time when the IRS should be arming themselves for anything, at best it is a duplication of jobs, at worst a very terrible abuse and overstepping of authority.

Yeah, FBI/CIA/DHS aren't busy enough with international terrorism, I suppose...but, yeah, maybe ATF should have some extra time.

Calcountry
02-03-2010, 12:10 PM
So...I take it you endorse rampant tax evasion and fraud, and don't think the government ought to prepare for the possiblity of violent confrontation against domestic terrorists and scum of the earth law-breakers....who instead of exercising their right to live somewhere else, choose to continue to live here....instead may violently resist the laws of our land???

:hmmm:So long as the treat the tax cheats as good as Abdul rachman abdulmatolloph.

Brock
02-03-2010, 12:12 PM
Yeah, those guy's stupidity can be mistaken as violence....by slower folks I guess. :rolleyes:



Yeah, FBI/CIA/DHS aren't busy enough with international terrorism, I suppose...but, yeah, maybe ATF should have some extra time.

The FBI has time to raid medicinal marijuana establishments, so save that weak sauce.

morphius
02-03-2010, 02:21 PM
Yeah, those guy's stupidity can be mistaken as violence....by slower folks I guess. :rolleyes:



Yeah, FBI/CIA/DHS aren't busy enough with international terrorism, I suppose...but, yeah, maybe ATF should have some extra time.
Then call in local authorities...

Inspector
02-03-2010, 02:29 PM
U.S. agrees to timetable for UN Gun Ban (http://nationalgunrights.org/blog/?p=359#more-359)

The United Nations and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are moving forward with their plan to confiscate your guns.

The United States joined 152 other countries in support of the Arms Trade Treaty Resolution, which establishes the dates for the 2012 UN conference intended to attack American sovereignty by stripping Americans of the right to keep and bear arms.

Working groups of anti-gun countries will begin scripting language for the conference this year, creating a blueprint for other countries when they meet at the full conference.

The stakes couldn’t be higher.....(more)


http://www.nationalgunrights.org/images/nagr_unsmallarms.gif

Meanwhile keep all your attention on the ME and Iran righties. That's the red-herring to help your side selling us out too.

But I wasn't planning on having cold dead fingers for a long time.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 02:32 PM
Yeah, those guy's stupidity can be mistaken as violence....by slower folks I guess. :rolleyes:
commie

BigChiefFan
02-03-2010, 02:38 PM
Good Lord. I can't believe what I'm reading. This is insane. This is abuse of power.

RJ
02-03-2010, 03:51 PM
While I am no fan of the IRS, I see nothing odd about its Criminal Investigation Division being armed. Lots of bad guys (with guns, like Al Capone) who weren't caught by police or FBI investigations ended up being taken down by the IRS investigators. I like to read books on crime, especially Mafia stuff, and these guys pop up frequently.

Also, the CID has been around since 1919, presumably armed the entire time. So I'm not going to panic much over their new shotguns.

Mr. Kotter
02-03-2010, 04:16 PM
While I am no fan of the IRS, I see nothing odd about its Criminal Investigation Division being armed. Lots of bad guys (with guns, like Al Capone) who weren't caught by police or FBI investigations ended up being taken down by the IRS investigators. I like to read books on crime, especially Mafia stuff, and these guys pop up frequently.

Also, the CID has been around since 1919, presumably armed the entire time. So I'm not going to panic much over their new shotguns.


Come on, RJ....don't you know, government workers shouldn't prepare themselves to deal with the violent dirt-ball tax protesters they may encounter. Afterall, they are just government employees. If some psycho wack-job extremist kills them for them simply performing their jobs....well, that's just the way it goes, the way the cookie crumbles. Government will probably pay for their widows and families that are left behind anyway. Who cares, man? I mean, tax-collectors...deserve to be killed anyway. No big loss.

RJ
02-03-2010, 04:36 PM
Come on, RJ....don't you know, government workers shouldn't prepare themselves to deal with the violent dirt-ball tax protesters they may encounter. Afterall, they are just government employees. If some psycho wack-job extremist kills them for them simply performing their jobs....well, that's just the way it goes, the way the cookie crumbles. Government will probably pay for their widows and families that are left behind anyway. Who cares, man? I mean, tax-collectors...deserve to be killed anyway. No big loss.



Actually, I was thinking more of money laundering drug dealers and counterfeiters and such. But no, I don't find it odd they sometimes need to carry guns.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 05:42 PM
While I am no fan of the IRS, I see nothing odd about its Criminal Investigation Division being armed. Lots of bad guys (with guns, like Al Capone) who weren't caught by police or FBI investigations ended up being taken down by the IRS investigators. I like to read books on crime, especially Mafia stuff, and these guys pop up frequently.

Also, the CID has been around since 1919, presumably armed the entire time. So I'm not going to panic much over their new shotguns.

Lots? Yeah, most Americans are bad guys. Let's punish all of use because of the 1%!

RJ
02-03-2010, 05:49 PM
Lots? Yeah, most Americans are bad guys. Let's punish all of use because of the 1%!


With all respect, BEP, I don't think those guys looking for the other 99%. They have regular old IRS agents who are armed with pens, paper and calculators for the rest of us. They don't need guns for folks like me and you......well, maybe they need guns for you.

My point isn't in support of the gubment or the IRS, I am simply saying that this is a department within the IRS that deals with criminals other than the white collar type and may at times have a need to be armed. And this isn't something new.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 05:51 PM
With all respect, BEP, I don't think those guys looking for the other 99%. They have regular old IRS agents who are armed with pens, paper and calculators for the rest of us. They don't need guns for folks like me and you......well, maybe they need guns for you.

My point isn't in support of the gubment or the IRS, I am simply saying that this is a department within the IRS that deals with criminals other than the white collar type and may at times have a need to be armed. And this isn't something new.

There's no need for any of that on any audit. That would be further down the line in any actions. As far as I know you to the IRS offices for an audit. It
s BS!

JOhn
02-03-2010, 06:05 PM
Yeah but look what is says about where Hillary is at...even Obama and those in his administration. Or the goals of the UN. Now couple it with the IRS being armed under this administration. Scarey!!
The IRS has been armed for years.

JOhn
02-03-2010, 06:06 PM
While I am no fan of the IRS, I see nothing odd about its Criminal Investigation Division being armed. Lots of bad guys (with guns, like Al Capone) who weren't caught by police or FBI investigations ended up being taken down by the IRS investigators. I like to read books on crime, especially Mafia stuff, and these guys pop up frequently.

Also, the CID has been around since 1919, presumably armed the entire time. So I'm not going to panic much over their new shotguns.

THIS

RJ
02-03-2010, 06:08 PM
There's no need for any of that on any audit. That would be further down the line in any actions. As far as I know you to the IRS offices for an audit. It
s BS!


I don't think the CID guys with the guns are the ones who will be checking your receipts for the stuff you donated to Goodwill.

Jenson71
02-03-2010, 06:11 PM
Lots? Yeah, most Americans are bad guys. Let's punish all of use because of the 1%!

How do you operate on a daily basis with such a mindset of irrational hysteria? It's comical.

RJ
02-03-2010, 06:12 PM
The IRS has been armed for years.


Probably since its inception.

JOhn
02-03-2010, 06:13 PM
I don't think the CID guys with the guns are the ones who will be checking your receipts for the stuff you donated to Goodwill.

but, but THEY HAVE GUNS!!! /sarcasm




The precursor to the CID were the ones who took down Capone. A lot of times it's these guys who get the drug dealers. But it sounds more alarmist if we forget the truth.

Bwana
02-03-2010, 06:14 PM
Not bad toy IRS boys, but I lean toward the Benelli M4 Super 90 for my bad guy be good stick of choice.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/Roumanie/Exhibition/Expomil_2007_Defence_Exhibition_Bucharest_Romania/pictures_images_photos/Benelli_M4_super_90_Beretta_Expomil_2007.jpg

JOhn
02-03-2010, 06:14 PM
How do you operate on a daily basis with such a mindset of irrational hysteria? It's comical.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Picture her with the lights out, peeking threw the shades :eek:

Radar Chief
02-03-2010, 06:19 PM
Good Lord. I can't believe what I'm reading. This is insane. This is abuse of power.

ROFL This is a law enforcment agency buying guns.

RJ
02-03-2010, 06:24 PM
The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.




EXISTING being the key word. Nothing new here.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 07:16 PM
I don't think the CID guys with the guns are the ones who will be checking your receipts for the stuff you donated to Goodwill.

Isn't tax evasion a white collar crime?

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 07:17 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing.

Picture her with the lights out, peeking threw the shades :eek:

You're aligning yourself with a totalitarian Marxist on this?
That's pretty bad. I think just having an income tax has turned average Americans into criminal. It should be done away with.

JOhn
02-03-2010, 08:34 PM
You're aligning yourself with a totalitarian Marxist on this?
That's pretty bad. I think just having an income tax has turned average Americans into criminal. It should be done away with.

First off it's the way you made your comments & the way Norma started this thread, like it's something new. Big deal, the CID branch of the IRS gets new guns to replace what they have or upgrade.

Not siding with anyone, just pointing out the obvious, and laughing or what seems to be paranoia on your part. And lets face it, even if it is white collar crime doesn't mean they can't be putting their lives in danger while doing an investigation.

Taco John
02-03-2010, 08:59 PM
I actually spent some time this last Christmas with an IRS agent. Apparently, there is a lot of IRS enforcement that has to be done around Indian reservation areas. Organizations will buy large quantities of cigarettes without paying the tax on these reservations and then go off-res to sell them. It's unbelievable the amount of money (and technology) they spend policing this. I was blown away at what he was telling me.

He got pretty uppity and left when I made the mistake of voicing my astonishment over this sort of Federal "babysitting." I kind of felt bad, but it is shocking to me that there are people putting their lives at risk over this stuff.

dirk digler
02-03-2010, 09:05 PM
ROFL This is a law enforcment agency buying guns.

No shit. If you read what they actually do this shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

The primary objective of Criminal Investigation's involvement in narcotics-related financial crimes is to reduce the profit and financial gains of the drug trafficking and money laundering organizations. In counterterrorism financing cases, the goal for IRS, along with the federal government through their joint terrorism task forces, is to cut off the funding for any further terrorist activities

Of course I guess when you go after drug dealers and terrorists they should come armed with pens and calculators. :rolleyes:

I swear some of the people on this board are complete fucking idiots and I don't know how they live from day to day without blowing their head off or someone doing it for them.

JOhn
02-03-2010, 09:13 PM
No shit. If you read what they actually do this shouldn't be a shock to anyone.



Of course I guess when you go after drug dealers and terrorists they should come armed with pens and calculators. :rolleyes:

I swear some of the people on this board are complete ****ing idiots and I don't know how they live from day to day without blowing their head off or someone doing it for them.

WHAT you're not buying into her sensationalism? Watch out, you'll be getting a neg rep from her.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 09:14 PM
No shit. If you read what they actually do this shouldn't be a shock to anyone.



Of course I guess when you go after drug dealers and terrorists they should come armed with pens and calculators. :rolleyes:

I swear some of the people on this board are complete ****ing idiots and I don't know how they live from day to day without blowing their head off or someone doing it for them.


I'll admit I only read the title of the thread. I still say it's another reason to disband the entire agency. It makes us all potential criminals. And that is still the intent of my posts in here regardless of what they have already. So I gave my opinion in general about such an agency. I also got pos rep on it too. Freedom loving patriots get IT! Statists don't!

dirk digler
02-03-2010, 09:25 PM
I'll admit I only read the title of the thread. I still say it's another reason to disband the entire agency. It makes us all potential criminals. And that is still the intent of my posts in here regardless of what they have already. So I gave my opinion in general about such an agency. I also got pos rep on it too.

I just don't understand why anyone would take at face value anything shtsprayer says. Also I really wasn't directing this at you just in general. You are still my favorite. :D

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 09:26 PM
I just don't understand why anyone would take at face value anything shtsprayer says. Also I really wasn't directing this at you just in general. I just wish people would go check out the facts more before they post.

It's just my opinion about the IRS in general being reflected. I am entitled to an opinion for any reason.

dirk digler
02-03-2010, 09:29 PM
It's just my opinion about the IRS in general being reflected. I am entitled to an opinion for any reason.

I wasn't really talking about you it was more towards the people that think the IRS is going to come and shoot them.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 09:30 PM
I wasn't really talking about you it was more towards the people that think the IRS is going to come and shoot them.

Well, the IRS has done things like that on people who didn't need to be handled like that. I cringe what more weapons would do. Ridiculously out of control agency. For all the whining about sensationalism and overreaction, that's how the state often acts. Including cops.

Now think with what's being done with healthcare when you think of the IRS and guns. You think it improves odds? I say that's naive.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 09:41 PM
The Hovind’s faced a squadron of IRS agents and police officers, who with guns drawn, raided Creation Science Evangelism in the morning hours on April 14, 2004. ...CSE was hardly a dangerous crowd of workers, but 20 armed government agents stormed onto the ministry property without warning in the early morning hours... Such is the experience today of those who, while innocent until proven guilty, ....When their day in court arrived, 5 of 6 former and current employees testified they had paid their own taxes, so the IRS’ argument that the Hovind’s (or the ministry) owed the government hundreds of thousands of dollars was specious. (http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi143.html)

The IRS’ own words is that church "is automatically tax-deductible."

dirk digler
02-03-2010, 09:46 PM
Well, the IRS has done things like that on people who didn't need to be handled like that. I cringe what more weapons would do. Ridiculously out of control agency. For all the whining about sensationalism and overreaction, that's how the state often acts. Including cops.

The CI divison does alot of different things and they are a law enforcement agency that goes after some pretty bad people.

Brock
02-03-2010, 09:47 PM
They do a lot of things? They confiscate other people's stuff. That's about all there is to it.

dirk digler
02-03-2010, 09:56 PM
They do a lot of things? They confiscate other people's stuff. That's about all there is to it.

That is being overly simplistic. They investigate all tax crimes, money laundering (organized crime), funding terrorists, drug trafficking, and fraud cases.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 10:03 PM
That is being overly simplistic. They investigate all tax crimes, money laundering (organized crime), funding terrorists, drug trafficking, and fraud cases.

They don't belong in dealing with drug trafficking, terrorist funding, or dealing with organized crime either. I know it says "internal revenue" but I mean that's just too much police power or an agency that deals with tax compliance. JMO

Although, those things are good reasons to consider all Americans as potential criminals. Look at who we're lumped in with. Says all as far as I am concerned.

BucEyedPea
02-03-2010, 10:05 PM
The CI divison does alot of different things and they are a law enforcement agency that goes after some pretty bad people.

Including a ministry that has taken a vow of poverty and which under our Constitution does not have to seek permission as to tax exempt status since it's assumed for a church.

They need to go.