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NewChief
02-03-2010, 01:29 PM
You all are probably aware of dude's recent arrest for, possible, illegal wiretapping. Here's a little more investigation on his sordid background. Not any real political fodder to make of it, but it is interesting.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/02/03/james_okeefe_white_nationalists/print.html
James O'Keefe's race problem

A photo of the righty stuntman at a white-nationalist confab illustrates a career marked by racial resentment
By Max Blumenthal

Feb. 03, 2010 |

Many of the conservatives who gleefully promoted James O’Keefe’s past political stunts are feigning shock at his arrest on charges that he and three associates planned to tamper with Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu's phone lines. Once upon a time, right-wing pundits hailed the 25-year-old O’Keefe as a creative genius and model of journalistic ethics. Andrew Breitbart, who has paid O’Keefe, called him one of the all-time “great journalists” and said he deserved a Pulitzer for his undercover ACORN video. Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly declared he should have earned a “congressional medal.”

His right-wing admirers don't seem to mind that O’Keefe's short but storied career has been defined by a series of political stunts shot through with racial resentment. Now an activist organization that monitors hate groups has produced a photo of O'Keefe at a 2006 conference on "Race and Conservatism" that featured leading white nationalists. The photo, first published Jan. 30 on the Web site of the anti-racism group One People's Project, shows O’Keefe at the gathering, which was so controversial even the ultra-right Leadership Institute, which employed O'Keefe at the time, withdrew its backing. But O'Keefe and fellow young conservative provocateur Marcus Epstein soldiered on to give anti-Semites, professional racists and proponents of Aryanism an opportunity to share their grievances and plans to make inroads in the GOP.

According to One People's Project founder Daryle Jenkins, O'Keefe was manning the literature table at the gathering that brought together anti-Semites, professional racists and proponents of Aryanism. OPP covered the event at the time, sending a freelance photographer to document the gathering. Jenkins told me the table was filled with tracts from the white supremacist right, including two pseudo-academic publications that have called blacks and Latinos genetically inferior to whites: American Renaissance and the Occidental Quarterly. The leading speaker was Jared Taylor, founder of the white nationalist group American Renaissance. "We can say for certain that James O'Keefe was at the 2006 meeting with Jared Taylor. He has absolutely no way of denying that," Jenkins said. O'Keefe's attorney did not respond to a request for comment on his client's role in the conference.

O'Keefe's racial issues can be seen in many of his prior stunts, of course. The notorious ACORN videos highlighted images of himself dressed as a pimp, deceptively edited through hidden camera footage as he baited African-American office workers into making statements that could be perceived as incriminating. There were also lesser-known but equally inflammatory spectacles like the “affirmative action bake sale” O’Keefe and his conservative comrades held when they were students at Rutgers University. During the event, O’Keefe stood at a table in the center of campus offering baked goods at reduced prices to Latinos and African-Americans while whites were forced to pay exorbitant amounts. (Native Americans, he announced, would eat free.)

By O’Keefe’s own account, his racial troubles became acute when he entered the multicultural atmosphere of Rutgers University’s dormitory system. In an online diary that has since been scrubbed from the Web (but not before being captured on Daily Kos), he wrote that he was forced to live on an all-black dormitory floor after refusing to live with the gay roommate he was initially assigned. O’Keefe claimed his next roommate was “an Indian midget ... who smelled like shit.” The roommate left, however, and was replaced by “a greek kid.” The new roommate complained to a residential administrator that O’Keefe had called his neighbors “niggers,” prompting the school to expel him from the dorm. He rejected the accusation as a “complete lie,” writing, “I was lead out of the room crying and screaming at him and my situation, no friends, no one one [sic] to talk to, forced to go in front of a black man, Dean Tolbert, to defend myself and help explain that I did not call anyone any names.”

The following year, despite this record, O’Keefe secured a dream job in the conservative movement, employed by the Leadership Institute, a Northern Virginia-based outfit that serves as the movement’s most prolific youth training operation. There, O’Keefe met Marcus Epstein, a fellow ideologue who as editor of a conservative publication at the College of William and Mary assailed Martin Luther King Jr. for “philandering and plagiarism” and challenged his patriotism and Christianity.

Together, O’Keefe and Epstein planned an event in August 2006 that would wed their extreme views on race with their ambitions. Epstein invited white nationalist Jared Taylor and homophobic white-grievance peddler John Derbyshire of the National Review to speak at the Leadership Institute’s Northern Virginia headquarters, at a mock symposium called “Race and Conservatism.”

According to a post on the white supremacist Web site Stormfront, Taylor and Derbyshire debate "the role of race in policy decisions and the racial future of the Republican party."

When the Southern Poverty Law Center denounced Taylor’s participation in the event, sparking damaging publicity for the Institute, Epstein shifted it across the street, where he played host under the auspices of a “traditionalist” group he founded called the Robert A. Taft Club. O’Keefe joined him after the last-minute move. A speaker from the right-wing black front group Project 21, founded by white conservative David Almasi to shill for corporate clients and provide cover for conservative politicians, was added at the last minute.

According to One People's Project, which dispatched an undercover reporter to the event, about 40 people attended the event, including several white supremacists. They included Michael Hart, a Jewish astrophysicist and advocate of racially partitioning the U.S., who once clashed with David Duke at a conference over the Ku Klux Klan leader's anti-Semitism.

The event’s headline speaker, Jared Taylor, is the publisher of one of the white supremacist movement’s foremost journals, American Renaissance, which seeks to apply an academic gloss to the racialist screeds contained on its pages. According to a report on the conference published in Taylor's magazine, Taylor argued that a taboo against discussing the alleged criminal behavior and lower intelligence of blacks and Latinos twisted political discourse, and he advocated a strong white nationalism to counter it. Derbyshire denounced “this whole rickety apparatus of affirmative action, discrimination lawsuits, corporate shakedowns, profiling protests and 'speech codes.'” But the National Review editor expressed doubt that a sufficiently large white nationalist movement could be mustered to do much about it.

Epstein and O'Keefe moved on from the "Race and Conservatism" conference to better things. After graduating from the Leadership Institute, Epstein held jobs as executive director of both former Republican Rep. Tom Tancredo’s Team America PAC and Pat Buchanan’s American Cause. He also started a group called Youth for Western Civilization that dedicated itself to “defending the West on campus.” An essay featured on the group’s Web site complaining that “largely Jewish intellectual elites have utterly transformed American social and political discourse” suggested that Epstein’s outfit was only his latest attempt to push white nationalism and anti-Semitism into the conservative mainstream.

Epstein’s career unraveled in June 2009, when a violent racial assault he committed two years earlier was disclosed. According to a court affidavit, Epstein had karate-chopped a random African-American woman in the face and called her a “nigger” during a drunken late-night romp bar-hopping on Washington’s M Street in 2007, leading to his arrest by an off-duty Secret Service agent. He signed a plea bargain requiring him to attend alcohol rehabilitation courses and donate $1,000 to the United Negro College Fund as a token of his contrition.

Meanwhile, O’Keefe lost his job at the Leadership Institute in 2008 for a prank call he made to an Ohio-based Planned Parenthood clinic. During the call, O’Keefe offered a donation to the clinic on the condition that it would be earmarked to pay for aborting African-American fetuses. “Because there's definitely way too many black people in Ohio,” O’Keefe remarked to the receptionist. “So, I'm just trying to do my part.”

O’Keefe’s termination by the Leadership Institute hardly ended his career as a conservative activist. Right-wing online publicist Andrew Breitbart, hearing of the merry prankster’s exploits, hired him to carry out the ACORN operation that would make him famous. Since his arrest, however, some of O’Keefe’s former associates are scrambling to save face. "I am shocked by the reports of this behavior,” declared O’Keefe’s collaborator on the ACORN operation, Hannah Giles. (Giles had tarted up as a prostitute for the stunt.)

O’Keefe has now hired a defense attorney and is waging a high publicity battle against charges that could land him in prison for nearly a year. Some of his old allies, like Breitbart, remain in his corner. Fox News' Sean Hannity hosted O'Keefe for a sympathetic sitdown Feb. 1, where the young right-winger played victim, claiming he was being persecuted by "flat-out slandering" and "journalistic malpractice."

-- By Max Blumenthal

HonestChieffan
02-03-2010, 01:44 PM
When I saw "Acorn Pimp" I was afraid you had used such a thing to describe Obama and was going to give you a tsk tsk.

My error.

Carry on

patteeu
02-03-2010, 01:47 PM
My understanding is that investigators have confirmed that there was no attempt to wiretap involved in the escapade for which O'Keefe was arrested.

patteeu
02-03-2010, 01:50 PM
Now an activist organization that monitors hate groups has produced a photo of O'Keefe at a 2006 conference on "Race and Conservatism" that featured leading white nationalists.

O'Keefe video taped himself at a series of meetings with members of a hate group earlier this year.

InChiefsHell
02-03-2010, 01:52 PM
Jeez, whats the Cliff Notes version...

InChiefsHell
02-03-2010, 01:53 PM
[QUOTE;6502148]Now an activist organization that monitors hate groups has produced a photo of O'Keefe at a 2006 conference on "Race and Conservatism" that featured leading white nationalists.

O'Keefe video taped himself at a series of meetings with members of a hate group earlier this year.

Um, that's a different kind of hate group. The kind that gets a pass. What are you, an asshole?:D

patteeu
02-03-2010, 01:58 PM
There's a lot of hysteria in this article without much in the way of objective facts to support it, AFAICT. O'Keefe opposes affirmative action and he got into a little trouble in college. Big deal.

InChiefsHell
02-03-2010, 02:26 PM
There's a lot of hysteria in this article without much in the way of objective facts to support it, AFAICT. O'Keefe opposes affirmative action and he got into a little trouble in college. Big deal.

HE'S OBVIOUSLY A RACIST BIGOT11!!!1!!!1!! Only a RWNJ like you could be blind to this fact!

Chief Henry
02-03-2010, 02:34 PM
O'Keefe video taped himself at a series of meetings with members of a hate group earlier this year.

:clap:

blaise
02-03-2010, 02:40 PM
Jeez, whats the Cliff Notes version...

I know. Some of these writers are oblivious to the fact that their message gets lost in all the text they think is so important. After I see three paragraphs dedicated to some guy named Epstein it's like, can you not cut some of this crap out?

Inspector
02-03-2010, 02:47 PM
I really hate hate groups. I want to join a group of others who hate them too.

jjjayb
02-03-2010, 03:09 PM
You all are probably aware of dude's recent arrest for, possible, illegal wiretapping.

You know as well as the rest of us that there was no wiretapping and that isn't what he was arrested for. Why keep perpetuating this myth? You might as well work for MSNBC.

MarcBulger
02-03-2010, 03:27 PM
I remember well the bake sale, pretty well describes what the left has done with our tax dollars. I also recall the abortion call, the person workign for planned parenthood wanted his money...as I recall..Its been a while...

fan4ever
02-03-2010, 03:40 PM
"The notorious ACORN videos highlighted images of himself dressed as a pimp, deceptively edited through hidden camera footage as he baited African-American office workers into making statements that could be perceived as incriminating."

Boy, at first I thought this was a biased article...

Garcia Bronco
02-03-2010, 03:45 PM
"The notorious ACORN videos highlighted images of himself dressed as a pimp, deceptively edited through hidden camera footage as he baited African-American office workers into making statements that could be perceived as incriminating."

Boy, at first I thought this was a biased article...

No shit ...those clowns were all busted and got fired for it. ACORN itself didn't even perceive it as incriminating. They thought it was incriminating

ChiefaRoo
02-03-2010, 04:01 PM
You all are probably aware of dude's recent arrest for, possible, illegal wiretapping. Here's a little more investigation on his sordid background. Not any real political fodder to make of it, but it is interesting.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/02/03/james_okeefe_white_nationalists/print.html
James O'Keefe's race problem

A photo of the righty stuntman at a white-nationalist confab illustrates a career marked by racial resentment
By Max Blumenthal

Feb. 03, 2010 |

Many of the conservatives who gleefully promoted James O’Keefe’s past political stunts are feigning shock at his arrest on charges that he and three associates planned to tamper with Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu's phone lines. Once upon a time, right-wing pundits hailed the 25-year-old O’Keefe as a creative genius and model of journalistic ethics. Andrew Breitbart, who has paid O’Keefe, called him one of the all-time “great journalists” and said he deserved a Pulitzer for his undercover ACORN video. Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly declared he should have earned a “congressional medal.”

His right-wing admirers don't seem to mind that O’Keefe's short but storied career has been defined by a series of political stunts shot through with racial resentment. Now an activist organization that monitors hate groups has produced a photo of O'Keefe at a 2006 conference on "Race and Conservatism" that featured leading white nationalists. The photo, first published Jan. 30 on the Web site of the anti-racism group One People's Project, shows O’Keefe at the gathering, which was so controversial even the ultra-right Leadership Institute, which employed O'Keefe at the time, withdrew its backing. But O'Keefe and fellow young conservative provocateur Marcus Epstein soldiered on to give anti-Semites, professional racists and proponents of Aryanism an opportunity to share their grievances and plans to make inroads in the GOP.

According to One People's Project founder Daryle Jenkins, O'Keefe was manning the literature table at the gathering that brought together anti-Semites, professional racists and proponents of Aryanism. OPP covered the event at the time, sending a freelance photographer to document the gathering. Jenkins told me the table was filled with tracts from the white supremacist right, including two pseudo-academic publications that have called blacks and Latinos genetically inferior to whites: American Renaissance and the Occidental Quarterly. The leading speaker was Jared Taylor, founder of the white nationalist group American Renaissance. "We can say for certain that James O'Keefe was at the 2006 meeting with Jared Taylor. He has absolutely no way of denying that," Jenkins said. O'Keefe's attorney did not respond to a request for comment on his client's role in the conference.

O'Keefe's racial issues can be seen in many of his prior stunts, of course. The notorious ACORN videos highlighted images of himself dressed as a pimp, deceptively edited through hidden camera footage as he baited African-American office workers into making statements that could be perceived as incriminating. There were also lesser-known but equally inflammatory spectacles like the “affirmative action bake sale” O’Keefe and his conservative comrades held when they were students at Rutgers University. During the event, O’Keefe stood at a table in the center of campus offering baked goods at reduced prices to Latinos and African-Americans while whites were forced to pay exorbitant amounts. (Native Americans, he announced, would eat free.)

By O’Keefe’s own account, his racial troubles became acute when he entered the multicultural atmosphere of Rutgers University’s dormitory system. In an online diary that has since been scrubbed from the Web (but not before being captured on Daily Kos), he wrote that he was forced to live on an all-black dormitory floor after refusing to live with the gay roommate he was initially assigned. O’Keefe claimed his next roommate was “an Indian midget ... who smelled like shit.” The roommate left, however, and was replaced by “a greek kid.” The new roommate complained to a residential administrator that O’Keefe had called his neighbors “****ers,” prompting the school to expel him from the dorm. He rejected the accusation as a “complete lie,” writing, “I was lead out of the room crying and screaming at him and my situation, no friends, no one one [sic] to talk to, forced to go in front of a black man, Dean Tolbert, to defend myself and help explain that I did not call anyone any names.”

The following year, despite this record, O’Keefe secured a dream job in the conservative movement, employed by the Leadership Institute, a Northern Virginia-based outfit that serves as the movement’s most prolific youth training operation. There, O’Keefe met Marcus Epstein, a fellow ideologue who as editor of a conservative publication at the College of William and Mary assailed Martin Luther King Jr. for “philandering and plagiarism” and challenged his patriotism and Christianity.

Together, O’Keefe and Epstein planned an event in August 2006 that would wed their extreme views on race with their ambitions. Epstein invited white nationalist Jared Taylor and homophobic white-grievance peddler John Derbyshire of the National Review to speak at the Leadership Institute’s Northern Virginia headquarters, at a mock symposium called “Race and Conservatism.”

According to a post on the white supremacist Web site Stormfront, Taylor and Derbyshire debate "the role of race in policy decisions and the racial future of the Republican party."

When the Southern Poverty Law Center denounced Taylor’s participation in the event, sparking damaging publicity for the Institute, Epstein shifted it across the street, where he played host under the auspices of a “traditionalist” group he founded called the Robert A. Taft Club. O’Keefe joined him after the last-minute move. A speaker from the right-wing black front group Project 21, founded by white conservative David Almasi to shill for corporate clients and provide cover for conservative politicians, was added at the last minute.

According to One People's Project, which dispatched an undercover reporter to the event, about 40 people attended the event, including several white supremacists. They included Michael Hart, a Jewish astrophysicist and advocate of racially partitioning the U.S., who once clashed with David Duke at a conference over the Ku Klux Klan leader's anti-Semitism.

The event’s headline speaker, Jared Taylor, is the publisher of one of the white supremacist movement’s foremost journals, American Renaissance, which seeks to apply an academic gloss to the racialist screeds contained on its pages. According to a report on the conference published in Taylor's magazine, Taylor argued that a taboo against discussing the alleged criminal behavior and lower intelligence of blacks and Latinos twisted political discourse, and he advocated a strong white nationalism to counter it. Derbyshire denounced “this whole rickety apparatus of affirmative action, discrimination lawsuits, corporate shakedowns, profiling protests and 'speech codes.'” But the National Review editor expressed doubt that a sufficiently large white nationalist movement could be mustered to do much about it.

Epstein and O'Keefe moved on from the "Race and Conservatism" conference to better things. After graduating from the Leadership Institute, Epstein held jobs as executive director of both former Republican Rep. Tom Tancredo’s Team America PAC and Pat Buchanan’s American Cause. He also started a group called Youth for Western Civilization that dedicated itself to “defending the West on campus.” An essay featured on the group’s Web site complaining that “largely Jewish intellectual elites have utterly transformed American social and political discourse” suggested that Epstein’s outfit was only his latest attempt to push white nationalism and anti-Semitism into the conservative mainstream.

Epstein’s career unraveled in June 2009, when a violent racial assault he committed two years earlier was disclosed. According to a court affidavit, Epstein had karate-chopped a random African-American woman in the face and called her a “****er” during a drunken late-night romp bar-hopping on Washington’s M Street in 2007, leading to his arrest by an off-duty Secret Service agent. He signed a plea bargain requiring him to attend alcohol rehabilitation courses and donate $1,000 to the United Negro College Fund as a token of his contrition.

Meanwhile, O’Keefe lost his job at the Leadership Institute in 2008 for a prank call he made to an Ohio-based Planned Parenthood clinic. During the call, O’Keefe offered a donation to the clinic on the condition that it would be earmarked to pay for aborting African-American fetuses. “Because there's definitely way too many black people in Ohio,” O’Keefe remarked to the receptionist. “So, I'm just trying to do my part.”

O’Keefe’s termination by the Leadership Institute hardly ended his career as a conservative activist. Right-wing online publicist Andrew Breitbart, hearing of the merry prankster’s exploits, hired him to carry out the ACORN operation that would make him famous. Since his arrest, however, some of O’Keefe’s former associates are scrambling to save face. "I am shocked by the reports of this behavior,” declared O’Keefe’s collaborator on the ACORN operation, Hannah Giles. (Giles had tarted up as a prostitute for the stunt.)

O’Keefe has now hired a defense attorney and is waging a high publicity battle against charges that could land him in prison for nearly a year. Some of his old allies, like Breitbart, remain in his corner. Fox News' Sean Hannity hosted O'Keefe for a sympathetic sitdown Feb. 1, where the young right-winger played victim, claiming he was being persecuted by "flat-out slandering" and "journalistic malpractice."

-- By Max Blumenthal

If he's such a racist how come one of his buddies that got arrested is ASIAN?

HonestChieffan
02-03-2010, 04:58 PM
If he's such a racist how come one of his buddies that got arrested is ASIAN?

Clearly he hates asians. Stoopit quarshtion.

Earthling
02-03-2010, 05:45 PM
Well, if he does go to prison, I'm sure he will make some nice friends among the blacks. :D

ChiefaRoo
02-03-2010, 06:39 PM
Well, if he does go to prison, I'm sure he will make some nice friends among the blacks. :D

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:)

Rain Man
02-03-2010, 07:26 PM
Man, he shoulda stopped and written a book while his stock was high.

patteeu
02-23-2010, 12:57 PM
From Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/20/video-breitbart-goes-nuclear-on-salon-writer-at-cpac-for-smearing-james-okeefe-as-racist/):

Minor problem one: It wasn’t a white-supremacist conference. It was a debate on “Race and Conservatism” featuring a panel discussion between mainstream conservatives and racist radicals. Among the mainstreamers was Kevin Martin, a black conservative who spoke up (http://patterico.com/2010/02/04/time-for-salon-to-retract-libelous-okeefe-article/) after the Salon piece was published to say that O’Keefe chatted with him at the conference and “voiced personal support for me and my positions. He also repudiated the radical elements in the room that night.”

Minor problem two: Dave Weigel of the Washington Independent, the alleged source for the detail about O’Keefe manning the table with racist lit, also spoke up after Blumenthal’s piece hit to say that he had no reason to believe (http://patterico.com/2010/02/05/dave-weigel-destroys-salon-hit-piece-on-okeefes-alleged-racism/) O’Keefe had helped plan the event and had never claimed that O’Keefe manned a table there.

And those weren’t the only “minor problems.” (http://bigjournalism.com/retracto/2010/02/04/correction-request-max-blumenthal-salon-com/) The end result: Salon had to formally retract (http://patterico.com/2010/02/08/salon-retracted-how-did-i-miss-this/) the detail about O’Keefe planning the event, although as far as I know, the fact that O’Keefe allegedly told Kevin Martin he was on his side remains unreported.

There's also a video of Andrew Breitbart confronting Max Blumenthal on this subject on the Hot Air page, but it doesn't break any additional new ground.

KC native
02-23-2010, 01:14 PM
From Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/20/video-breitbart-goes-nuclear-on-salon-writer-at-cpac-for-smearing-james-okeefe-as-racist/):



There's also a video of Andrew Breitbart confronting Max Blumenthal on this subject on the Hot Air page, but it doesn't break any additional new ground.

I don't know if this is a guy you really want to get behind. I was reading up on his ACORN video and he wasn't dressed as a pimp when he went in the offices. That was editted in after the fact. The guy is just an all around disgusting POS. Errrrr...wait a minute, I almost forgot who I was talking to. This is exactly the type of guy you like to defend.

InChiefsHell
02-23-2010, 01:20 PM
I don't know if this is a guy you really want to get behind. I was reading up on his ACORN video and he wasn't dressed as a pimp when he went in the offices. That was editted in after the fact. The guy is just an all around disgusting POS. Errrrr...wait a minute, I almost forgot who I was talking to. This is exactly the type of guy you like to defend.

And where were you reading up on it? Salon?

patteeu
02-23-2010, 01:21 PM
I don't know if this is a guy you really want to get behind. I was reading up on his ACORN video and he wasn't dressed as a pimp when he went in the offices. That was editted in after the fact. The guy is just an all around disgusting POS. Errrrr...wait a minute, I almost forgot who I was talking to. This is exactly the type of guy you like to defend.

His ACORN videos weren't fashion shows. They were aimed at exposing corruption within ACORN and they succeeded quite well. As a matter of fact, ACORN is reacting (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/22/acorn-dissolving-national-structure-due-to-damage-to-the-brand/) by largely abandoning their brand and attempting to scurry out of sight like the bunch of cockroaches that they are. That's a pretty impressive feather in the cap of that young investigative reporter, IMO.

KC native
02-23-2010, 02:15 PM
His ACORN videos weren't fashion shows. They were aimed at exposing corruption within ACORN and they succeeded quite well. As a matter of fact, ACORN is reacting (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/22/acorn-dissolving-national-structure-due-to-damage-to-the-brand/) by largely abandoning their brand and attempting to scurry out of sight like the bunch of cockroaches that they are. That's a pretty impressive feather in the cap of that young investigative reporter, IMO.

He's not an investigative reporter. He's the right's version of Michael Moore (with slightly more creative editing).

RaiderH8r
02-23-2010, 02:35 PM
He's not an investigative reporter. He's the right's version of Michael Moore (with slightly more creative editing).

When you throw your credibility out the window like this do you find it useful to stop the truck and back over it or do you just keep on trucking?

KC native
02-23-2010, 02:43 PM
When you throw your credibility out the window like this do you find it useful to stop the truck and back over it or do you just keep on trucking?

WTF are you smoking? Is his sensational, creatively edited video not in the same mold as Michael Moore?

banyon
02-23-2010, 03:54 PM
If he's such a racist how come one of his buddies that got arrested is ASIAN?

really?:spock: