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memyselfI
02-05-2010, 11:19 AM
We all knew Cash for Clunkers was an epic fail but the Toyota eecall woes point to a new example of why. How many reliable and safer older model cars were trashed for new cars with major safety issues?

http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_14328917

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100204/NEWS01/2050356/Nearly+1K+Clunker+purchases+recalled

L.A. Chieffan
02-05-2010, 11:22 AM
not that many

jjjayb
02-05-2010, 12:07 PM
not that many

Really? There where 690,000 cars sold during the clunkers program. Of the top 10 vehicles sold during cash for clunkers, three of them were Toyotas with safety issues. The Corolla was the number 1 sold vehicle. The Camry was number 3. Both have the unintended acceleration issue. The Prius was the 7th most sold vehicle. It has a pretty serious braking issue.

BigRedChief
02-05-2010, 12:19 PM
Should have bought a Lincoln like me.

HonestChieffan
02-05-2010, 12:19 PM
Toyota is managing this quite well imo

Amnorix
02-05-2010, 12:28 PM
Seems to me beyond challenging to say Cash for Clunkers was a success or failure based on what turned out to be (given 20/20 hindsight) the poor buying choices of those who took advantage of the program. Especially when the reason the choice was poor was completely unknown to anyone at the time the program was implemented or to the people who participated.

We can argue whether Cash for Clunkers is good policy, but this particular thread is pretty silly, IMHO.

BucEyedPea
02-05-2010, 01:08 PM
It's easy for me. No govt program is a success. Especially if we have to be told it is.

BigRedChief
02-05-2010, 01:15 PM
Seems to me beyond challenging to say Cash for Clunkers was a success or failure based on what turned out to be (given 20/20 hindsight) the poor buying choices of those who took advantage of the program. Especially when the reason the choice was poor was completely unknown to anyone at the time the program was implemented or to the people who participated.

We can argue whether Cash for Clunkers is good policy, but this particular thread is pretty silly, IMHO.no chit, cash for clunkers failed because Toyota hid safety issues from the public?

jjjayb
02-05-2010, 01:33 PM
Toyota is managing this quite well imo

Really? In what way? Sweeping the problem under the rug for 10 years until they were forced to stop production and sales on most of their product line? Putting a MAJOR hit on their reputation. Sounds like they've managed it just spectacularly. :rolleyes:

Amnorix
02-05-2010, 01:35 PM
It's easy for me. No govt program is a success. Especially if we have to be told it is.

Right, but there's a huge cause>effect gap here in terms of THIS thread and the OP. As in there is none.

max sleeper
02-05-2010, 02:47 PM
Dumb Ass thread! Someone is looking for attention! Trying to be a cool Con. nut job!

Saul Good
02-05-2010, 03:04 PM
Dumb Ass thread! Someone is looking for attention! Trying to be a cool Con. nut job!Very astute of you to call the most liberal member of our board a conservative nut just one day after calling Harry Reid the same thing. Maybe you should stand on the sidelines for a while until you figure things out.

memyselfI
02-05-2010, 04:57 PM
Really? There where 690,000 cars sold during the clunkers program. Of the top 10 vehicles sold during cash for clunkers, three of them were Toyotas with safety issues. The Corolla was the number 1 sold vehicle. The Camry was number 3. Both have the unintended acceleration issue. The Prius was the 7th most sold vehicle. It has a pretty serious braking issue.

Exactly, and how many of those buyers bought because of the incentive but would not have if they had waited a few months and heard the news? Tens of thousands???

Saul Good
02-05-2010, 05:44 PM
Exactly, and how many of those buyers bought because of the incentive but would not have if they had waited a few months and heard the news? Tens of thousands???

There are plenty of reasons that cash for clunkers was an abortion, but this isn't one of them.

orange
02-05-2010, 06:51 PM
Very astute of you to call the most liberal member of our board a conservative nut just one day after calling Harry Reid the same thing. Maybe you should stand on the sidelines for a while until you figure things out.

What are you talking about? She went off the deep end a year ago. I wouldn't call her a Conservative, though. Just a Negative.

Anyone new here would have a very hard time finding anything from her that leans Liberal.

memyselfI
02-06-2010, 12:13 PM
No, there is no relation to the two whatsoever. We will hear from thousands of people with this story in the upcoming weeks.

:rolleyes:

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/940187.html

The federally funded Cash-for-Clunkers program, she explained, nudged them to consider buying a new car, and after doing research, they felt the Corolla was the best buy for their money. After receiving the $4,500 clunker rebate, the Picciones paid about $14,000 for the red Corolla.