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Cave Johnson
02-10-2010, 12:33 PM
Any contrarians willing to step up and defend this guy's position?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342457-onside-kick-was-dirty-pool

Ah, what could take away the joy of watching two great quarterbacks duel it out in a Super Bowl, having a snack at half-time anticipating seeing Peyton Manning and the Colts drive down field with the first second-half possession after making their usual adept adjustments during the break?

Dirty pool by Sean Payton, in the form of an onside kick to start the second half, could take away that joy.

When the Saints won the coin toss and elected to receive the ball to start the game, they made their choice. The other team gets to receive the ball to start the second half, but the Colts never received the ball. It was stolen from them on a cheap and dirty onside kick.

Although it was a legal play by existing NFL rules, there has always been an unwritten rule, a gentleman's rule that you do not attempt an onside kick to start a half.

At any other time on a kickoff, fine, but when you win the coin toss, you only get to receive the ball to start a half once. You don't get to break the rack in nine-ball 2 times in a row.

That would be greedy.

While many see Sean Payton's gamble as a tribute to his genius and will hail him for his aggressiveness, I see it as blemish on an otherwise respectable game between two evenly-matched teams.

To be a true champion, you play the game between the lines. There is no need to resort to cheap tricks. Let there be no mistake: the Saints outplayed the Colts and deserved to win for the most part.

I say for "the most part" because the game was in the balance until late in the fourth quarter. During Sean Payton's Monday morning news conference on NFL network, he appeared humble.

Perhaps he felt somewhere inside that his decision did not need to be made to win, but since it had been made, a lot of people will forever associate this game and him as a coach with that play.

As I see it, the play did not determine the ultimate outcome. It could be argued by some that it greatly affected the outcome.

If the Colts had received a regular kickoff, and they had scored a TD, it would have been 17-6 Colts rather than the 13-10 Saints that it did indeed become when the Saints drove the field.

That does not mean that the Colts would have won.

The Saints could have mounted a comeback. After all, they showed that they had the greater will to win, the greater hunger to lift the Lombardi trophy.

Was it really a gamble by Payton?

With the Colts adeptness at making half-time adjustments, it was looming pretty large that they were going to drive for a touchdown on their first second-half possession.

If the Colts were likely to score anyway, gambling on an onside kick that could have given the Colts the ball at the Saints own 40-yard line didn't really have that much downside anyway.

Finally, there is the question of who actually recovered the ball. The ball bounced around a few times and led to one of the ugliest and worst regulated scrums in NFL history.

The officials did very little to pull players off the pile. Small fights were breaking out at the sides without flags being thrown. The last we saw of the ball on replays it was between the legs of one prone Saints player and Hank Baskett was diving on top of it.

Is this what we want in a Super Bowl?

To throw scraps of food into the air of a courtyard and watch wild dogs go at it. The onside was not only a blemish on the game for being a cheap and dirty parlor trick. It was also a blemish because it was not a clean play. It was not a clean recovery of a live ball. Is that what we wish to see in the NFL on its greatest stage?

I think not.

My proposal then is that the NFL needs to make a rule change to prevent what happened in Sunday's Super Bowl between the Colts and the Saints from ever occurring again.

Starting next season, an onside kick may be attempted on any kickoff except for those starting a half. There's no point in having a coin toss if the team that wins it can decide, "Screw it! We are going to take the ball to start the second half too."

DaFace
02-10-2010, 12:36 PM
http://www.famesters.com/files/images/waaambulance.thumbnail.jpg

seclark
02-10-2010, 12:37 PM
http://www.famesters.com/files/images/waaambulance.thumbnail.jpg

^yep^
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BTAU
02-10-2010, 12:38 PM
:rolleyes: Sounds like somebody is bitter about losing a chunk of change on the Colts.

sedated
02-10-2010, 12:38 PM
sounds like a (12-year-old) Colts fan with sand in the vag.

|Zach|
02-10-2010, 12:39 PM
This is a completely horseshit article.

What an Embarrassment for the writer.

Amnorix
02-10-2010, 12:39 PM
ROFL

Red Brooklyn
02-10-2010, 12:40 PM
I didn't read the whole article because I couldn't stomach the bullshit after the first couple of paragraphs. Good job Payton. Good job saints. Fuck off bleacherreport.com writer.

I do have one honest question though... to those of you who have been around the game longer than I...

is there really a sort of unwritten "gentleman's agreement" regarding opening half onside kicks? And do you ever think we'll see a rule change to outlaw them?

Cave Johnson
02-10-2010, 12:41 PM
This is a completely horseshit article.

What an Embarrassment for the writer.

I'd be willing to bet the house that Steve Montana is a nom de plume.

Dartgod
02-10-2010, 12:42 PM
ROFL

Stuff like this makes the Saints win all the more delicious.

B_Ambuehl
02-10-2010, 12:43 PM
Cheap tricks:

Like your offense snapping the ball for the sole purpose of getting a penalty called on the defense cuz one of their guys 50 yards away is trying to get off the field but still has one foot inbounds when the ball is snapped?

Like intentionally using the officials as screens for your receivers when they go over the middle in the short passing game?

Like being such crybabies you alone sway the competition committee into changing the rules against receivers to better suit your offense?

Like being such a crybaby there are one set of rules for your quarterback and his BF buddy Brady, and a different set of rules for everybody else?

F*ck the colts and any beta pillowbiter who wants to cry or make excuses for them. They're already the cheapest most rule manipulative team around and have been for ages.

siberian khatru
02-10-2010, 12:44 PM
Gentleman's agreement my ass.





And no smart remarks about gentlemen agreeing on my ass, thankyouverymuch.

wild1
02-10-2010, 12:44 PM
"unwritten, gentlemen's rule"?

Earthling
02-10-2010, 12:45 PM
Of course he didn't mention Mannings penchant for hiking the ball quickly to catch 12 defenders on the field as a big lineman is waddeling off to the sidelines. Gentlemans agreement indeed...LMAOLMAO

The Bad Guy
02-10-2010, 12:45 PM
It's like KnowShit wrote that.

Earthling
02-10-2010, 12:47 PM
Cheap tricks:

Like your offense snapping the ball for the sole purpose of getting a penalty called on the defense cuz one of their guys 50 yards away is trying to get off the field but still has one foot inbounds when the ball is snapped?

Like intentionally using the officials as screens for your receivers when they go over the middle in the short passing game?

Like being such crybabies you alone sway the competition committee into changing the rules against receivers to better suit your offense?

Like being such a crybaby there are one set of rules for your quarterback and his BF buddy Brady, and a different set of rules for everybody else?

F*ck the colts and any beta pillowbiter who wants to cry or make excuses for them. They're already the cheapest most rule manipulative team around and have been for ages.

This..lol Didn't see you post when i posted mine. But same sentiment :)

Red Brooklyn
02-10-2010, 12:47 PM
It's like KnowShit wrote that.
LMAO

RJ
02-10-2010, 12:49 PM
I read an interview with Baskett in the local paper this morning. He says he heard a whistle and a ref say "Blue ball" (no, not blueballs). Said he thought the play was over. Guess he shouldn't be thinking.

I'm pretty sure that "gentleman's agreement" bullshit is just that.

InChiefsHell
02-10-2010, 12:50 PM
What a friggin' wuss this guy is. Obviously, he thinks that a half back pass is just bad form, after all the defense was all set for you to run the ball, then you go ahead and throw it? What the hell kind of sportsmanship is that? I won't even GO into the inherent dishonestly that is found in the reverse or worse yet, the shovel pass.

This guy is a complete moron. Can't believe somebody allowed him to even post that crap...

Frosty
02-10-2010, 12:52 PM
Cheap tricks:

Like your offense snapping the ball for the sole purpose of getting a penalty called on the defense cuz one of their guys 50 yards away is trying to get off the field but still has one foot inbounds when the ball is snapped?

Like intentionally using the officials as screens for your receivers when they go over the middle in the short passing game?

Like being such crybabies you alone sway the competition committee into changing the rules against receivers to better suit your offense?

Like being such a crybaby there are one set of rules for your quarterback and his BF buddy Brady, and a different set of rules for everybody else?

F*ck the colts and any beta pillowbiter who wants to cry or make excuses for them. They're already the cheapest most rule manipulative team around and have been for ages.

That is probably your first post ever on here that I agree with. Nice. :thumbs:

morphius
02-10-2010, 12:53 PM
It was a brilliant move, the Colts had spent the entire second quarter on the bench, keeping Manning off the field longer is always a good game plan.

rockymtnchief
02-10-2010, 12:55 PM
No where in the rules does it say that the Colts couldn't kick onside to start the first half. It's a coaches decision and the players job to execute/defend the play.

The writer needs to stop whining.

chefsos
02-10-2010, 01:05 PM
I don't think your average Colts Homer would even resort to whining about a "dirty" onside kick, so::rolleyes: Sounds like somebody is bitter about losing a chunk of change on the Colts.This.

GoHuge
02-10-2010, 01:07 PM
This is as silly as Bob Knight scolding K State fans for making fun of Texas towards the end of the game. I believe he was saying something to the affect of they should be chanting "great effort or thank you." All retarded.......you lost no excuses. I sure as hell don't want to hear about bad form and gentlemen's agreements being talked about while a team is trying to win a football game. They saw a weakness and exploited it. That is what good coaches do.

Frazod
02-10-2010, 01:11 PM
I remember when the Eagles did this to us to start a half a few years ago. I sure didn't like it, but it's a legal play.

What a puss. :deevee:

journeyscarab
02-10-2010, 01:15 PM
I thought the saying was "You play to win the game"?

OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2010, 01:15 PM
Cheap tricks:

Like your offense snapping the ball for the sole purpose of getting a penalty called on the defense cuz one of their guys 50 yards away is trying to get off the field but still has one foot inbounds when the ball is snapped?

Like intentionally using the officials as screens for your receivers when they go over the middle in the short passing game?

Like being such crybabies you alone sway the competition committee into changing the rules against receivers to better suit your offense?

Like being such a crybaby there are one set of rules for your quarterback and his BF buddy Brady, and a different set of rules for everybody else?

F*ck the colts and any beta pillowbiter who wants to cry or make excuses for them. They're already the cheapest most rule manipulative team around and have been for ages.


Esto.

-King-
02-10-2010, 01:17 PM
Does he also think that all games should end in ties so that no one feels like a loser?
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journeyscarab
02-10-2010, 01:19 PM
Does he also think that all games should end in ties so that no one feels like a loser?
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Maybe we could give everyone ribbons for participating!

mikey23545
02-10-2010, 01:19 PM
This has got to be TIC, right?

Mr. Laz
02-10-2010, 01:30 PM
http://www.famesters.com/files/images/waaambulance.thumbnail.jpgthis

Reaper16
02-10-2010, 01:38 PM
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L.A. Chieffan
02-10-2010, 01:43 PM
his entire premise is built on 'its an unwritten rule'? its the fucking superbowl. here's an unwritten rule for you, go fuck yourself
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MOhillbilly
02-10-2010, 01:46 PM
this is football. you want unwritten rules? play baseball.

On the gridiron, you go hard, or go home.

SDChiefs
02-10-2010, 01:50 PM
It's like KnowShit wrote that.

Damn, beat me to it.

Goldmember
02-10-2010, 01:54 PM
Greasing your jerseys is lowlife cheating...onside kicks are not and are no gimme, in fact about 75% of the time you don't get the ball...the Saints had the balls to try it so more power to them.

loochy
02-10-2010, 01:56 PM
If the "rule" is not written, then it is not a rule. The end.

Hydrae
02-10-2010, 01:58 PM
He sure had to work hard to try to come up with a controversy in this game.

stevieray
02-10-2010, 02:04 PM
he, like I, must've realized that play changed the whole momentum.

I predicted the Saints win after that play at our SB party...it was only a matter of time before the best offense in the league found it's groove and that play was the catalyst, IMO.

SNR
02-10-2010, 02:05 PM
Reminds me of Pirates of the Carribean.

"They're more guidelines, really."

The author of this should die in a fire.

Guru
02-10-2010, 02:06 PM
Wow!!! I can't believe somebody published that tripe.

milkman
02-10-2010, 02:22 PM
There's no "gentleman's agreement".

It's simply that there aren't many coaches that have the nads to make that decision.

KCChiefsMan
02-10-2010, 03:05 PM
To the writer:

What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul

RNR
02-10-2010, 03:17 PM
LMAO what a tool~

Nzoner
02-10-2010, 03:18 PM
http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Funny/referee_shirts.jpg

chiefzilla1501
02-10-2010, 03:34 PM
This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Even compared to some of the shit I say.

Gentlemen's agreement? What the fuck? If anything, the odds favor the Colts on an onsides kick, not the Saints.

JohninGpt
02-10-2010, 03:35 PM
Ah, what could take away the joy of watching two great quarterbacks duel it out in a Super Bowl, having a snack at half-time anticipating seeing Peyton Manning and the Colts drive down field with the first second-half possession after making their usual adept adjustments during the break?


Having your team lose, that could take the joy out of it...bitch.

Halfcan
02-10-2010, 04:28 PM
Cheap tricks:

Like your offense snapping the ball for the sole purpose of getting a penalty called on the defense cuz one of their guys 50 yards away is trying to get off the field but still has one foot inbounds when the ball is snapped?

Like intentionally using the officials as screens for your receivers when they go over the middle in the short passing game?

Like being such crybabies you alone sway the competition committee into changing the rules against receivers to better suit your offense?

Like being such a crybaby there are one set of rules for your quarterback and his BF buddy Brady, and a different set of rules for everybody else?

F*ck the colts and any beta pillowbiter who wants to cry or make excuses for them. They're already the cheapest most rule manipulative team around and have been for ages.

:clap:

since when is an on side kick a cheap shot??? what a dumbass!!!

LaChapelle
02-10-2010, 04:38 PM
Colts baby blue
Poor Manning had to play TWO super bowls in outdoor stadiums
THE MOTHER FUCKING OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Jack
02-10-2010, 04:40 PM
I remember when the Eagles did this to us to start a half a few years ago. I sure didn't like it, but it's a legal play.

What a puss. :deevee:

It was actually at the start of the game. Chiefs weren't much a threat to win but Andy thought he needed a little extra to ensure a win.

Bacon Cheeseburger
02-10-2010, 04:52 PM
Thanks for putting the bleacherreport.com link right on the top so I knew not to waste my time reading it.

Reerun_KC
02-10-2010, 08:06 PM
It's like KnowShit wrote that.

Sounded like a typical Whitlock article to me....

Fruit Ninja
02-10-2010, 08:08 PM
i'd be embarrassed to have that article posted on the internet everywhere.

jspchief
02-10-2010, 08:14 PM
Little girls shouldn't write football articles.

Norman Einstein
02-10-2010, 08:15 PM
sounds like a (12-year-old) Colts fan with sand in the vag.Which is like all of them, right?

Over-Head
02-10-2010, 08:20 PM
Of course he didn't mention Mannings penchant for hiking the ball quickly to catch 12 defenders on the field as a big lineman is waddeling off to the sidelines. Gentlemans agreement indeed...LMAOLMAO
OR his extra long snap counts trying (and usually succeeding) in drawing the Def off sides.

Reerun_KC
02-10-2010, 08:22 PM
Little girls shouldn't write football articles.

:LOL:

Whitlock isnt little....

trndobrd
02-10-2010, 08:41 PM
This clown probably enjoyed the competive spirit exhibited during the pro-bowl game.

Spott
02-10-2010, 09:13 PM
I think stealing an NFL team in the middle of the night is dirtier than an onside kick.

Dottefan
02-10-2010, 09:44 PM
My gay friend just called.........he said this article is gay as hell ( no homo-phobic)

Mecca
02-10-2010, 09:45 PM
This is about as stupid as video game players who use real life examples as "look there's cheese in a real game" which is probably where this originated.

Dylan
02-10-2010, 09:50 PM
This must be the longest article ever about the word "onside kick."

DaFace
02-10-2010, 09:51 PM
I don't think I've seen a more unified reaction to an article on here before.

chefsos
02-10-2010, 09:55 PM
I don't think I've seen a more unified reaction to an article on here before.It's because we're all lemmings, of course.

Mecca
02-10-2010, 09:58 PM
It's because by nature this is stupid, the other team needs to adjust if you do something you can beat them with and they never adjust that's their fault.

Would it be cheating if your TE could own their LB in coverage and they kept manning up so you threw it there 20 times because he was always wide open?

LaChapelle
02-10-2010, 09:59 PM
Only teams that know they're outclassed pull trick plays/CP rode scholar

Brock
02-10-2010, 10:00 PM
This must be a (bad) joke.

Von Dumbass
02-10-2010, 10:21 PM
I didn't like it. The Saints knew they were outclassed so had to try to trick the Colts in order to beat them. No way in hell could the Saints beat the Colts if they didn't get that onside kick.

Brock
02-10-2010, 10:24 PM
Well, there's the first idiot to post in this thread, no surprise who it is, either.

BigMeatballDave
02-10-2010, 10:37 PM
Wtf? Did hootie write this?
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DaFace
02-10-2010, 10:39 PM
It's like KnowShit wrote that.

TBG wins this thread. ROFL

I didn't like it. The Saints knew they were outclassed so had to try to trick the Colts in order to beat them. No way in hell could the Saints beat the Colts if they didn't get that onside kick.

-King-
02-10-2010, 10:54 PM
I didn't like it. The Saints knew they were outclassed so had to try to trick the Colts in order to beat them. No way in hell could the Saints beat the Colts if they didn't get that onside kick.

Yeah its not like they teach the front line of the kick return to watch out for onsides in Middle School football.... oh wait they do. Thats not even a trick play. It's a ballsy play.

Frazod
02-10-2010, 11:05 PM
Good job, BlowMo.

I love this place. No matter how stupid the argument, eventually somebody will come along to defend it. LMAO

manchambo
02-10-2010, 11:37 PM
It makes me sad that someone actually wrote this article, but sadder that it was published.

It would be stupid enough applied to any team, but for Christ sake, I've never seen a team that more regularly takes little advantages that aren't very "gentlemanly" (like snapping the ball before the other team has an opportunity to get set or get off the field).

Phobia
02-10-2010, 11:40 PM
I read about 7 words and bailed.

kcfanXIII
02-10-2010, 11:47 PM
I think stealing an NFL team in the middle of the night is dirtier than an onside kick.

BOOSH!!!

Tribal Warfare
02-11-2010, 12:09 AM
It makes me sad that someone actually wrote this article, but sadder that it was published.

It would be stupid enough applied to any team, but for Christ sake, I've never seen a team that more regularly takes little advantages that aren't very "gentlemanly" (like snapping the ball before the other team has an opportunity to get set or get off the field).

or Marino's fake spike for a TD to win against the Jets, the guy fails to see that its within the rules. Instead he's whining because his team didn't win.

kcfanXIII
02-11-2010, 12:51 AM
honestly, i couldn't read the whole thing. its an unwritten rule? thats the first i've heard of it... i can't believe this is actually an issue outside this little fuckwad's head.

Fritz88
02-11-2010, 03:21 AM
it's a troll

Stryker
02-11-2010, 07:49 AM
Whatever! :whackit:

It got the job done and pissed Peyton off in the end! What a fuctard for being such a sorry ass sore loser! 4321

Kerberos
02-11-2010, 08:31 AM
There's no "gentleman's agreement".

It's simply that there aren't many coaches that have the nads to make that decision.

THIS

Sounds like a bunch of Sour Grapes to me.