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Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 05:53 PM
This comes from someone who has been an incredibly reliable source on this site in the past. Take it for what's it's worth.

If Claussen falls to around the 20-25th pick the Chiefs may package their 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take Claussen. Weiss is telling all teams that contact him about Claussen that he is the real deal. Claussen will play in the NFL for 10-15 years.

Weiss is not sold on Cassell. He feels that he may not have the mental tools to be a successful QB without better players around him. He feels that he has the physical tools, but lacks the mental discipline thats needed to play the position. Both Haley and Pioli think Cassell will work out fine.

So what is gonna happen? Weiss wants a quality backup in place behind Cassell to push him. Croyle is not that backup. Everyone at Arrrowhead knows Croyle is not a long term solution so he can't really push Cassell to excel.

Enter Brady Quinn. The Chiefs had talks with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago about a trade to KC. But, the Browns trade demands were really stupidly high so the talks went no where seriously. If the demands come down, Quinn will be a Chief.

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Now the rest of this info is from other sources so get out that shaker of salt to take wth this information. Compiled from 4 different sources.

Supposely Buffalo talked to the Chiefs about a trade for Croyle.

Cleveland wanted the 2nd round pick plus a 5th rounder for Quinn.

KC was willing to part with a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Which one would depend on playing time,

Weiss and Cassell talk almost every day on the phone and in person. Long talks.

Nothing new with the Bowe wants a new contract before the OTA's situation. But, the Chiefs have put out trade feelers to gauge interest in Bowe but most were 4th-5th rounders.

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 05:59 PM
The PatsifiBrownsifiDolphinsifiIrishification may continue.

Bi_polar
02-15-2010, 05:59 PM
This was one of BRC's private emails, right?

Tribal Warfare
02-15-2010, 06:00 PM
This was one of BRC's private emails, right?

Yes it is :shake:

Micjones
02-15-2010, 06:00 PM
Surprised it took this long for someone to run back to the board with the information.
ROFL

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:02 PM
Surprised it took this long for someone to run back to the board with the information.
ROFL

Its not from BRC.

Demonpenz
02-15-2010, 06:03 PM
clausen situation presents pickle for chiefs

LaChapelle
02-15-2010, 06:03 PM
.

mikeyis4dcats.
02-15-2010, 06:04 PM
Its not from BRC.

confirmed, it IS from BRC.

Saul Good
02-15-2010, 06:05 PM
Also, if Suh is there in the 4th round, we're taking him.

Micjones
02-15-2010, 06:05 PM
Its not from BRC.

:spock:

Saul Good
02-15-2010, 06:06 PM
clausen situation presents pickle for chiefs

We should hire Mark Vlassic to be his QB coach.

LaChapelle
02-15-2010, 06:06 PM
I'd rather have Clausen at #5
than Quin with a 2

OnTheWarpath58
02-15-2010, 06:06 PM
If Weis thinks Clausen is the real deal, we should be taking him at 5, provided he's there.

Micjones
02-15-2010, 06:08 PM
If Weis thinks Clausen is the real deal, we should be taking him at 5, provided he's there.

That would be an early admission of failure with Cassel.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:08 PM
I'm not confirming where it came from. It doesn't matter. Take it or leave it.

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:08 PM
:hump::spock:

kstater
02-15-2010, 06:09 PM
If Weis thinks Clausen is the real deal, we should be taking him at 5, provided he's there.

If Haley and Pioli think that yea. But Weis isn't exactly impartial in his grading of Clausen.

Demonpenz
02-15-2010, 06:09 PM
We should hire Mark Vlassic to be his QB coach.

meh his ego has become too cucumbersom

L.A. Chieffan
02-15-2010, 06:10 PM
Thanks BRC. You creating the email account has really unmuddled and cleared things up around here.

Micjones
02-15-2010, 06:10 PM
I'm not confirming where it came from. It doesn't matter. Take it or leave it.

Soo...

Are the other emails also NOT coming from BRC?

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:10 PM
meh his ego has become too cucumbersom

Agreed. It would put us in quite a pickle.

Demonpenz
02-15-2010, 06:10 PM
Agreed. It would put us in quite a pickle.

you can't use pickle again you fucking idiot

OnTheWarpath58
02-15-2010, 06:10 PM
If Haley and Pioli think that yea. But Weis isn't exactly impartial in his grading of Clausen.

Yeah, because Pioli was/is impartial in his grading of Cassel.

ForeverChiefs58
02-15-2010, 06:11 PM
A friend of mine who is really big into the 49ers told me his team thinks Claussen reminds them of another good ND QB Montana and they could use their two firsts to get him.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:12 PM
Soo...

Are the other emails also NOT coming from BRC?

There from my sources.

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:12 PM
you can't use pickle again you ****ing idiot

You are nothing but piss and vinegar today. :Scanlon:

LaChapelle
02-15-2010, 06:13 PM
I got an email that said Chambers was a priority
I'll not say I read it on ESPN

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:13 PM
Thats saying alot when Weis whos a brilliant offensive mind isn't sold on Cassel. He's never gave Cassel a ringing endorsment in interviews either.

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 06:13 PM
Yeah, because Pioli was/is impartial in his grading of Cassel.

2 Wrongs don't make a Right.

I'd rather Claussen than Quinn--I think Quinn is far too inaccurate to be a successful NFL QB. But either of these guys... coaches sometimes become too attached to players they once coached. If we get them, I agree, I'd like for a source other than Weis to be impressed with one of the two also.

Tribal Warfare
02-15-2010, 06:14 PM
I'm not confirming where it came from. It doesn't matter. Take it or leave it.

Dude, this was fucking stupid you shouldn't have created this thread with the BRC info. Thanks to this you may have fucked up the private info that he was providing to all of us.

KcMizzou
02-15-2010, 06:14 PM
you can't use pickle again you fucking idiot
LMAO

Demonpenz
02-15-2010, 06:15 PM
You are nothing but piss and vinegar today. :Scanlon:

damnit BRINE AND VINAGAR MAKES PICKLES>

OnTheWarpath58
02-15-2010, 06:15 PM
2 Wrongs don't make a Right.

I'd rather Claussen than Quinn--I think Quinn is far too inaccurate to be a successful NFL QB. But either of these guys... coaches sometimes become too attached to players they once coached. If we get them, I agree, I'd like for a source other than Weis to be impressed with one of the two also.

Who said Weis is wrong?

ForeverChiefs58
02-15-2010, 06:15 PM
If Carl was here he would draft Claussen without a doubt. Hope Pioli goes defense.

L.A. Chieffan
02-15-2010, 06:15 PM
Dude, this was fucking stupid you shouldn't have created this thread with the BRC info. Thanks to this you may have fucked up the private info that he was providing to all of us.

He said he didnt give a shit if it was posted on here several times

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:15 PM
Dude, this was fucking stupid you shouldn't have created this thread with the BRC info. Thanks to this you may have fucked up the private info that he was providing to all of us.

Are you a fucking moron? I'm dead serious.

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:16 PM
damnit BRINE AND VINAGAR MAKES PICKLES>

So that's why I don't like grandpa's homemade pickles. :(

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:17 PM
So what are the chanes Claussens goes 20-25?

Pablo
02-15-2010, 06:18 PM
LINK OR I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:18 PM
So what are the chanes Claussens goes 20-25?

I can't tell if you type with 17 fingers or 3.

Saul Good
02-15-2010, 06:18 PM
meh his ego has become too cucumbersom
No way. He's the real dill.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:18 PM
It'd be cool to trade Dorsey and a pick for the Lions 3rd trade back with the other pick and draft Claussen. Claussen & Berry FTW. It won't happen.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 06:18 PM
If Weis thinks Clausen is the real deal, we should be taking him at 5, provided he's there.

Period.

OnTheWarpath58
02-15-2010, 06:19 PM
So what are the chanes Claussens goes 20-25?

Considering 7 teams in the Top 10 need a QB, I'd say zero.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:20 PM
I can't tell if you type with 17 fingers or 3.

My typing couldn't be as retarded as your avatar.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:20 PM
Considering 7 teams in the Top 10 need a QB, I'd say zero.

Does that include us? If not, it should.

OnTheWarpath58
02-15-2010, 06:21 PM
Does that include us? If not, it should.

ROFL

You don't even know me anymore.

L.A. Chieffan
02-15-2010, 06:21 PM
I say no trades and we take OT, OG, FB first three picks FTW

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:22 PM
Considering 7 teams in the Top 10 need a QB, I'd say zero.

What about moving Dorsey and 1 of those 2nd round picks for the Lions 3rd? Is that too much to pay for Clausen & Berry?

Saul Good
02-15-2010, 06:22 PM
My typing couldn't be as retarded as your avatar.

Relax. He's just gerkin your chain.

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:22 PM
My typing couldn't be as retarded as your avatar.

Centaurs aren't retarded. They don't exist. If they did, though, their hooves may have better luck at formulating sentences.

LaChapelle
02-15-2010, 06:23 PM
Dammit that's not the stork one

Von Dumbass
02-15-2010, 06:23 PM
Thats saying alot when Weis whos a brilliant offensive mind isn't sold on Cassel. He's never gave Cassel a ringing endorsment in interviews either.

ROFL

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:24 PM
ROFL

You don't even know me anymore.

LMAO Oh, I knew. The Lions, Cleveland, and Tampa are probably the teams you were talking about. I just had to clarify for everyone else. You're kind of a mystery when it comes to our QB. :fire:

Reaper16
02-15-2010, 06:24 PM
LINK OR I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
Reaper16's Gmail inbox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySGMnmiqlss)

|Zach|
02-15-2010, 06:25 PM
Dude, this was ****ing stupid you shouldn't have created this thread with the BRC info. Thanks to this you may have ****ed up the private info that he was providing to all of us.

ROFL

OnTheWarpath58
02-15-2010, 06:25 PM
LMAO Oh, I knew. The Lions, Cleveland, and Tampa are probably the teams you were talking about. I just had to clarify for everyone else. You're kind of a mystery when it comes to our QB. :fire:

Rams
Washington
KC
Seattle
Cleveland
Oakland
Buffalo

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 06:25 PM
2-15-2010 06:20 PM BigRedChief You're my favorite poster. Please keep this secret.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:25 PM
Centaurs aren't retarded. They don't exist. If they did, though, their hooves may have better luck at formulating sentences.

LJ is a centaur.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:27 PM
Rams
Washington
KC
Seattle
Cleveland
Oakland
Buffalo

Rams will go for Suh, I doubt Cleveland will because they are already paying 2Qb's, I doubt Al gives up on Fatmarcus, Buffalo will go for a scrub like Vick or Croyle.

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:28 PM
LJ is a centaur.

His new job:

ForeverChiefs58
02-15-2010, 06:28 PM
What about moving Dorsey and 1 of those 2nd round picks for the Lions 3rd? Is that too much to pay for Clausen & Berry?

would the Lions pass on one of the top DT's in this draft for Dorsey? I don't see it. I think I would take Suh over Dorsey, but that is just me.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:31 PM
Rams
Washington
KC
Seattle
Cleveland
Oakland
Buffalo

I think Cleveland and Jacksonville both need one. But I think Jacksonville needs one more. I'm just not a Gerrard fan at all. Cleveland has a couple of guys they're choosing from. I don't see them going that route just yet.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:31 PM
would the Lions pass on one of the top DT's in this draft for Dorsey? I don't see it. I think I would take Suh over Dorsey, but that is just me.

I think Suh goes to St.Louis and Dorsey is probably better and less expensive compared to what McCoy will ask for. I don't think theres anyway we have 2 top 10 draft picks but if we're not going to be big spenders in free agency I wouldn't be opposed to it.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:33 PM
So we're going to pay another top 5's pick signing bonus, and give the best player coming out of the 08 draft away after already paying his signing bonus? Talk about colossal stupid.

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 06:33 PM
Who said Weis is wrong?

I trust Weis more than I trust Haley or Pioli on this.

But it's a common syndrome for coaches to be biased against players they coached. It's the reason why, in my opinion, Solari refused to let go of Jordan Black. It's almost like admitting you were wrong the first time.

Again, it's not that I think Weis is wrong or that he doesn't know what he's talking about. It's that I worry that Weis is operating with blinders on this, only because he's coached them before. On this, I'd second-check with the scouts to make sure they agree on the value.

Especially on Quinn, as I really question whether he has the tools to be a great NFL QB.

Count Alex's Wins
02-15-2010, 06:33 PM
Pipe dream. Someone will take him in the top 10.

OnTheWarpath58
02-15-2010, 06:33 PM
I think Cleveland and Jacksonville both need one. But I think Jacksonville needs one more. I'm just not a Gerrard fan at all. Cleveland has a couple of guys they're choosing from. I don't see them going that route just yet.

You know the rule: If you don't have a franchise QB, don't pass on one.

None of those teams have franchise QB's, IMO.

Washington might be the only one that might, IMO.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:34 PM
So we're going to pay another top 5's pick signing bonus, and give the best player coming out of the 08 draft away after already paying his signing bonus? Talk about colossal stupid.

Not as stupid as paying 2 D-ends in a 3-4 top 5 money.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:35 PM
Pipe dream. Someone will take him in the top 10.

Is that what Athan is saying?

BigMeatballDave
02-15-2010, 06:35 PM
ROFLKill yourself. Die in a fire. Whatever. Just go away.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:35 PM
You know the rule: If you don;t have a franchise QB, don't pass on one.

None of those teams have franchise QB's, IMO.

Washington might be the only one that might, IMO.

Yeah, I agree. But that makes me think 9 teams in the top 10 don't have one. I'm not sure that Freeman is going to fit the bill. He needs his opportunity though, so I definitely think 8 need one. Clausen, and Bradford :eek: are both probably going to go top 10.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 06:36 PM
If he's available, it will be a major mistake for KC to pass on Clausen.

(the opinions expressed by this poster do not necessarily reflect the views of BRC)

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:37 PM
ROFL


Why do you laugh? How many SB's did McDaniel's win as the coordinator in NE? Who had more talent to do so? Our offensive coordinator > your head coach.

Count Alex's Wins
02-15-2010, 06:37 PM
Is that what Athan is saying?

That's what anyone with a brain knows.

Ralphy Boy
02-15-2010, 06:37 PM
A friend of mine who is really big into the 49ers told me his team thinks Claussen reminds them of another good ND QB Montana and they could use their two firsts to get him.


Our #5 = 1700 pts
our #50 = 400 pts
Total = 2100

Their #13 = 1150
Their # 16 = 1000
Total = 2150

Seems like a fair trade, but then who do we draft?

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:38 PM
If he's available, it will be a major mistake for KC to pass on Clausen.

Then Clausen is groomed this year and Cassel's option is picked up next year? I'm cool with that but I don't see how they win 8 games this year with all of that going on.

kstater
02-15-2010, 06:38 PM
If he's available, it will be a major mistake for KC to pass on Clausen.

(the opinions expressed by this poster do not necessarily reflect the views of BRC)


I think it'll be a pretty moot point. I don't see any way Clausen is there at 5.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 06:39 PM
Then Clausen is groomed this year and Cassel's option is picked up next year? I'm cool with that but I don't see how they win 8 games this year with all of that going on.

If we acquire a legit QBOTF, I could give two fucks how many games the team wins in '10

My 8 wins or bust philosophy goes down the shitter.

And there are a couple of fucking stud WRs coming out next year, too...

ForeverChiefs58
02-15-2010, 06:40 PM
I think Suh goes to St.Louis and Dorsey is probably better and less expensive compared to what McCoy will ask for. I don't think theres anyway we have 2 top 10 draft picks but if we're not going to be big spenders in free agency I wouldn't be opposed to it.

what if, by some crazy scenario, suh fell to #5, would you take him? It may make Tyson Jackson worthless and the current regeme red faced, but dorsey and suh make a nice pair.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:41 PM
If we acquire a legit QBOTF, I could give two fucks how many games the team wins in '10

My 8 wins or bust philosophy goes down the shitter.

And there are a couple of fucking stud WRs coming out next year, too...

This. I'll totally come off the .500 pedestal if we draft Clausen. And I'd rather wait for a shot at Locker.

<<<<<<<<<<Homer

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:41 PM
what if, by some crazy scenario, suh fell to #5, would you take him? It may make Tyson Jackson worthless and the current regeme red faced, but dorsey and suh make a nice pair.

No I wouldn't draft Suh over Clausen or Berry.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 06:42 PM
what if, by some crazy scenario, suh fell to #5, would you take him? It may make Tyson Jackson worthless and the current regeme red faced, but dorsey and suh make a nice pair.

No.

ForeverChiefs58
02-15-2010, 06:43 PM
Our #5 = 1700 pts
our #50 = 400 pts
Total = 2100

Their #13 = 1150
Their # 16 = 1000
Total = 2150

Seems like a fair trade, but then who do we draft?

have an alabama reunion and go mcain and cody.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:43 PM
No.

Why not? We could totally switch back to a 3-4 and put Tyson at LB.

Consistent1
02-15-2010, 06:44 PM
what if, by some crazy scenario, suh fell to #5, would you take him? It may make Tyson Jackson worthless and the current regeme red faced, but dorsey and suh make a nice pair.

Somebody needs to come up with a "hold him hostage" scenario for this. That is a clever thing nobody on here has ever thought of.

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 06:46 PM
have an alabama reunion and go mcain and cody.

I think McClain could easily fall there. Maybe even Spiller or Bryant.

I also wonder if Brandon Graham is going to fly off the draft board. Maybe Jerry Hughes might too. I would very, very, very gladly take the top rush backer on the board with a top 16 pick and I think we easily could.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 06:46 PM
Why not? We could totally switch back to a 3-4 and put Tyson at LB.

Tyson is definitely part of the right 53, so we'll find a place for him.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:47 PM
You dont want to draft McClain at 5.

ForeverChiefs58
02-15-2010, 06:47 PM
No I wouldn't draft Suh over Clausen or Berry.

what if it went in no particular order
Claussen
bradford
berry
Okung
would you suh then?

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:48 PM
Why not? We could totally switch back to a 3-4 and put Tyson at LB.

Maybe when he was 19 and knockin' out suckers in the first round, but not now. Did you see how old he looked in The Hangover?

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 06:48 PM
No I wouldn't draft Suh over Clausen or Berry.

I wouldn't draft Suh over anybody, given what we've committed into those two positions. Dorsey and Jackson will be just fine. Maybe neither will be nearly worth the top 5 pick, but in terms of their role as a pure 2-gap, they should do well enough.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:48 PM
Tyson is definitely part of the right 53, so we'll find a place for him.

Exactly. Line him up at FB.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 06:49 PM
what if it went in no particular order
Claussen
bradford
berry
Okung
would you suh then?

I would hope the Chiefs trade down. I'd imagine a guy like Singeltary would love Suh.

Kyle DeLexus
02-15-2010, 06:50 PM
what if it went in no particular order
Claussen
bradford
berry
Okung
would you suh then?

Nice what if, but there are 2 teams that NEED a DT in Detriot and Tampa.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:50 PM
Maybe when he was 19 and knockin' out suckers in the first round, but not now. Did you see how old he looked in The Hangover?

Dude. He knocked Alan the fuck out. At least I think it was Alan.

Kyle DeLexus
02-15-2010, 06:51 PM
Dude. He knocked Alan the **** out. At least I think it was Alan.

It was Alan

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:52 PM
Alan > Merriman

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:53 PM
Alan > Merriman

Sure. But Tyson Jackson = Alan

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 06:53 PM
Nice what if, but there are 2 teams that NEED a DT in Detriot and Tampa.

I heard Jim Schwartz wants Suh, but Gunther Cunningham is convincing him to take Cody instead. Unofficial source.

ForeverChiefs58
02-15-2010, 06:54 PM
Nice what if, but there are 2 teams that NEED a DT in Detriot and Tampa.

If you ever watch a Bucs game, I do cause I live in orlando, they need a QB a lot more than a DT. I know they just wasted a first on one. But when you fail you have to keep trying, like the chiefs with d linemen.

DA_T_84
02-15-2010, 06:55 PM
Sure. But Tyson Jackson = Alan

I like Alan better because he's not afraid to gamble.

Ralphy Boy
02-15-2010, 06:56 PM
have an alabama reunion and go mcain and cody.

Insert Dan Williams for Cody and I'd be happy, though I don't think McClain will be on the board at 13 with Denver picking at 10.



Can you imagine the mayhem if we drafted a DT & OT again in the first round? Groundhog day.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 06:57 PM
I like Alan better because he's not afraid to gamble.

Nguyen for the gambow gambow.

Kyle DeLexus
02-15-2010, 06:58 PM
If you ever watch a Bucs game, I do cause I live in orlando, they need a QB a lot more than a DT. I know they just wasted a first on one. But when you fail you have to keep trying, like the chiefs with d linemen.

I had a chance to talk to Tampa's GM Mark Dominik and he believes in Freeman. They took him as a "project" type and are prepared to give him a few years to grow. If they do anything, it'll be going after a vet QB as a stop gap.

the Talking Can
02-15-2010, 06:59 PM
if you want clausen then just fucking draft him, you dip shits....

or...or...we could wait and see if the QB we want drops 25 fucking picks and then say "damn...oh well" when someone sane takes him in front of us...

we've already lost one QB because of Cassel...why not pass on the 2nd....

excuse me while i reach through my asshole to pull my penis back out through my ass in a dramatic rendering of how this franchise makes decisions when it comes to the most important player on the field...

kstater
02-15-2010, 06:59 PM
If you ever watch a Bucs game, I do cause I live in orlando, they need a QB a lot more than a DT. I know they just wasted a first on one. But when you fail you have to keep trying, like the chiefs with d linemen.

I'm thinking the Bucs are going to give Freeman a little more than 7 games to decide if they failed with him.

Ralphy Boy
02-15-2010, 07:00 PM
what if it went in no particular order
Claussen
bradford
berry
Okung
would you suh then?

This just seems too ridiculous to even talk about. I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind would rather have Okung than Suh. Not saying its impossible, stranger things have happened, I just would think that there is no way Schwartz & Spags would both pass on him.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 07:01 PM
if you want clausen then just ****ing draft him, you dip shits....

or...or...we could wait and see if the QB we want drops 25 ****ing picks and then say "damn...oh well" when someone sane takes him in front of us...

we've already lost one QB because of Cassel...why not pass on the 2nd....

excuse me while i reach through my asshole to pull my penis back out through my ass in a dramatic rendering of how this franchise makes decisions when it comes to the most important player on the field...

I just spit my water all over my computer. Thanks asshole.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 07:01 PM
I'm thinking the Bucs are going to give Freeman a little more than 7 games to decide if they failed with him.

Source?

Kyle DeLexus
02-15-2010, 07:02 PM
Source?

Mark Dominik

kstater
02-15-2010, 07:03 PM
Source?

http://it'scommonsenseyouretard.com (http://it%27scommonsenseyouretard.com)

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 07:03 PM
http://it'scommonsenseyouretard.com (http://it%27scommonsenseyouretard.com)

Invalid link.

the Talking Can
02-15-2010, 07:11 PM
and i'd like to thank all media everywhere for ruining the olympics by broadcasting the winners every 3 secs all day long on every radio tv channel, web site, billboard, and i-whatfuckingever, yes even you you useless whored tit npr....but maybe we'll draft the Qb we just think is dreamy if he's still there in the 5th....if not, we can always trade multiple picks for Brady Quinn, who only mostly but not completely sucks and is a such douche bag that even his own teammates prefer punching his smug accomplished jack shit in the nfl face to catching his where in the fuck are you throwing it you jerkoff douche bag cracker passes....

Kyle DeLexus
02-15-2010, 07:15 PM
and i'd like to thank all media everywhere for ruining the olympics by broadcasting the winners every 3 secs all day long on every radio tv channel, web site, billboard, and i-what****ingever, yes even you you useless whored tit npr....but maybe we'll draft the Qb we just think is dreamy if he's still there in the 5th....if not, we can always trade multiple picks for Brady Quinn, who only mostly but not completely sucks and is a such douche bag that even his own teammates prefer punching his smug accomplished jack shit in the nfl face to catching his where in the **** are you throwing it you jerkoff douche bag cracker passes....

tell us how you really feel.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 07:16 PM
and i'd like to thank all media everywhere for ruining the olympics by broadcasting the winners every 3 secs all day long on every radio tv channel, web site, billboard, and i-whatfuckingever, yes even you you useless whored tit npr....but maybe we'll draft the Qb we just think is dreamy if he's still there in the 5th....if not, we can always trade multiple picks for Brady Quinn, who only mostly but not completely sucks and is a such douche bag that even his own teammates prefer punching his smug accomplished jack shit in the nfl face to catching his where in the fuck are you throwing it you jerkoff douche bag cracker passes....

Epic.

Tango&Cash
02-15-2010, 07:20 PM
Not exactly the time to be trading away draft picks when we have so many holes on this team, this draft is also pretty deep, you may be able to get 1st rd talent in the 2nd rd, especially where we pick.

Brock
02-15-2010, 07:33 PM
Thanks, Premium Members!

Buzzsaw
02-15-2010, 07:33 PM
Rams
Washington
KC
Seattle
Cleveland
Oakland
Buffalo

I agree those teams need a quarterback....but I don't think that they think that they need a quarterback. Hope that made sense. Raiders prolly aren't ever going to give up on DuhMarcus until Al Davis kicks.

Ralphy Boy
02-15-2010, 07:36 PM
I agree those teams need a quarterback....but I don't think that they think that they need a quarterback. Hope that made sense

Outside of Oakland, I think they all know it.

Tuckdaddy
02-15-2010, 07:39 PM
Cassel is the QB. Pioli gave him a ton of cash for that role. If we did draft Clausen he would ride the pine for 2010 for certain.

Brock
02-15-2010, 07:40 PM
Cassel is the QB. Pioli gave him a ton of cash for that role. If we did draft Clausen he would ride the pine for 2010 for certain.

So what? At least there would be some kind of hope for the future.

Kyle DeLexus
02-15-2010, 07:41 PM
Cassel is the QB. Pioli gave him a ton of cash for that role. If we did draft Clausen he would ride the pine for 2010 for certain.

I think most of us would be fine with that. We just want a legit QBotF

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 07:47 PM
Cassel is the QB. Pioli gave him a ton of cash for that role. If we did draft Clausen he would ride the pine for 2010 for certain.

Perfect.

Consistent1
02-15-2010, 07:55 PM
Tyson is definitely part of the right 53, so we'll find a place for him.

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/9171/scotty.jpg (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/scotty.jpg/)

Iowanian
02-15-2010, 07:56 PM
the fact that this BRAND NEW INFORMATION wasn't delivered into my PM box immediately and prior to the posting of this thread, dictates and expressed and purposely hurtful attempt to bypass the system. This violation of standard operating procedure for dissemination of secret data is unacceptable and intolerable!

Mecca
02-15-2010, 08:00 PM
This scenario isn't happening anyway, Clausen's worse case scenario is 9, if a QB falls Buffalo has to take him.

Hog Farmer
02-15-2010, 08:00 PM
ROFL


Thanks for showing up you little Bass-terd !

Easy 6
02-15-2010, 08:03 PM
I'm down for Clausen if Weis vouches for his crispness, that'd be a kosher insurance policy if Cassel wilts under the mounting pressure.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 08:04 PM
I'm down for Clausen if Weis vouches for his crispness, that'd be a kosher insurance policy if Cassel wilts under the mounting pressure.

I would be willing to bet that if somehow both QB's aren't gone by 5 the Chiefs attempt to move down, everyone will think the Chiefs are going to take the QB and we'll just be dropping out, Pioli is not going to take a QB top 5 basically admitting his pick of Cassel was an epic fuckup.

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2010, 08:07 PM
I think Clausen or Bradford is going #1 to St. Louis, especially with a new owner in St. Louie. You got a make splash and QB will do that more than Suh.

I wouldn't mind trading for Quinn, fuck give them a 4th for him. Cleveland wasn't good for him. Get his ass here, let him beat out Cassel in the preseason. Pioli looks like a even bigger dipshit for bringing that POS Cassel here in the first place. And we would finally have a QB we could build around.

TRR
02-15-2010, 08:12 PM
It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?

Cassel battled a ton of issues outside his control, and stayed pretty positive for the most part.

Cassel's mental toughness is the very least of my concerns.

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Mecca
02-15-2010, 08:14 PM
It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?

Cassel battled a ton of issues outside his control, and stayed pretty positive for the most part.

Cassel's mental toughness is the very least of my concerns.
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It's not that difficult to judge...maybe Cassel thought he was a fan and told him to shut the fuck up.

Or maybe he talks to Weis like he talks to the media "What are you talking about Charlie I don't make mental errors"

Brock
02-15-2010, 08:17 PM
It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?
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Weis has two seasons of games on which to base his judgement.

TRR
02-15-2010, 08:18 PM
It's not that difficult to judge...maybe Cassel thought he was a fan and told him to shut the fuck up.

Or maybe he talks to Weis like he talks to the media "What are you talking about Charlie I don't make mental errors"

Yea I'm sure that's all it takes to judge an NFL QB.

Wow.
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chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 08:18 PM
I would be willing to bet that if somehow both QB's aren't gone by 5 the Chiefs attempt to move down, everyone will think the Chiefs are going to take the QB and we'll just be dropping out, Pioli is not going to take a QB top 5 basically admitting his pick of Cassel was an epic ****up.

If Charlie Weis wants Clausen really, really badly and the scouts like him too, I doubt Pioli would be too arrogant to say "no." The only reason he might is because he might think he sees better value in the 2nd or 3rd rounds (after all, he has historically taken a LOT of QBs in that area).

DTLB58
02-15-2010, 08:19 PM
This comes from someone who has been an incredibly reliable source on this site in the past. Take it for what's it's worth.

If Claussen falls to around the 20-25th pick the Chiefs may package their 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take Claussen. Weiss is telling all teams that contact him about Claussen that he is the real deal. Claussen will play in the NFL for 10-15 years.

Weiss is not sold on Cassell. He feels that he may not have the mental tools to be a successful QB without better players around him. He feels that he has the physical tools, but lacks the mental discipline thats needed to play the position. Both Haley and Pioli think Cassell will work out fine.

So what is gonna happen? Weiss wants a quality backup in place behind Cassell to push him. Croyle is not that backup. Everyone at Arrrowhead knows Croyle is not a long term solution so he can't really push Cassell to excel.

Enter Brady Quinn. The Chiefs had talks with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago about a trade to KC. But, the Browns trade demands were really stupidly high so the talks went no where seriously. If the demands come down, Quinn will be a Chief.


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Now the rest of this info is from other sources so get out that shaker of salt to take wth this information. Compiled from 4 different sources.

Supposely Buffalo talked to the Chiefs about a trade for Croyle.

Cleveland wanted the 2nd round pick plus a 5th rounder for Quinn.

KC was willing to part with a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Which one would depend on playing time,

Weiss and Cassell talk almost every day on the phone and in person. Long talks.

Nothing new with the Bowe wants a new contract before the OTA's situation. But, the Chiefs have put out trade feelers to gauge interest in Bowe but most were 4th-5th rounders.

Now that's some inside info, A QB needs some better players around him to be successful. :hmmm:

Hog Farmer
02-15-2010, 08:20 PM
I would be willing to bet that if somehow both QB's aren't gone by 5 the Chiefs attempt to move down, everyone will think the Chiefs are going to take the QB and we'll just be dropping out, Pioli is not going to take a QB top 5 basically admitting his pick of Cassel was an epic ****up.


Unfortunately this makes sense. Unless Weiss can convince Pioli we need a legit backup because Croyle sucks and is a walking bandaid. But even then Pioli would not use the #5 on him.

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 08:21 PM
It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?

Cassel battled a ton of issues outside his control, and stayed pretty positive for the most part.

Cassel's mental toughness is the very least of my concerns.

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I haven't given up on Cassel, but I don't necessarily agree. I was unpleasantly surprised at his leadership. There were games where his expression looked like he had almost given up, and he didn't seem to be firing up his teammates like I thought he would.

I think that's something that could get better with better coaching. But it's plenty of reason to be concerned. I think he might be a lot more hotheaded than we realized.

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 08:22 PM
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Unfortunately this makes sense. Unless Weiss can convince Pioli we need a legit backup because Croyle sucks and is a walking bandaid. But even then Pioli would not use the #5 on him.

Why does it make sense? Wasn't his reputation in New England, according to many on the board, that he was a gopher for Bill Bellichick? Why do people think he's so arrogant that he won't listen to his coaches, especially the experienced ones? That's how he made his mark in New England.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 08:23 PM
Why does it make sense? Wasn't his reputation in New England, according to many on the board, that he was a gopher for Bill Bellichick? Why do people think he's so arrogant that he won't listen to his coaches, especially the experienced ones? That's how he made his mark in New England.

I have a really really hard time believing they'd make that move, I don't even think Clark Hunt would ok it, so you want me to spend 100+ mill on QB's in 2 years?

No way Scott not happening Cassel is suppose to be the guy that's what you said.

Brock
02-15-2010, 08:24 PM
I have a really really hard time believing they'd make that move, I don't even think Clark Hunt would ok it, so you want me to spend 100+ mill on QB's in 2 years?

No way Scott not happening Cassel is suppose to be the guy that's what you said.

It amuses me to hear what you think goes on in high level business meetings.

TRR
02-15-2010, 08:25 PM
Weis has two seasons of games on which to base his judgement.

Two full seasons!? Wow! You sold me. After his season in NE where it was obviously just Moss, or Welker, or McDaniels or Belichick. And his 2nd season was so bad, I mean why a 2nd year starter can't get the job done in a new offense, with a first year coach, with new WRs every week, and the O Line more fluid than water...is beyond me. The knee injury he suffered really had no barring on his play either, or the 13 days he had to learn a new offense before the season started.

We should just cut him...
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Brock
02-15-2010, 08:26 PM
Two full seasons!? Wow! You sold me. After his season in NE where it was obviously just Moss, or Welker, or McDaniels or Belichick. And his 2nd season was so bad, I mean why a 2nd year starter can't get the job done in a new offense, with a first year coach, with new WRs every week, and the O Line more fluid than water...is beyond me. The knee injury he suffered really had no barring on his play either, or the 13 days he had to learn a new offense before the season started.

We should just cut him...
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Wow, that's some list of excuses you just made.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 08:27 PM
It amuses me to hear what you think goes on in high level business meetings.

We aren't the Redskins here, I don't think Clark Hunt would be ok with the idea of being sold on 2 QB's being the franchise in 2 years and giving them both a lot of money.

DaneMcCloud
02-15-2010, 08:27 PM
Two full seasons!? Wow! You sold me. After his season in NE where it was obviously just Moss, or Welker, or McDaniels or Belichick. And his 2nd season was so bad, I mean why a 2nd year starter can't get the job done in a new offense, with a first year coach, with new WRs every week, and the O Line more fluid than water...is beyond me. The knee injury he suffered really had no barring on his play either, or the 13 days he had to learn a new offense before the season started.

We should just cut him...
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Your attempt at facetiousness underscores the fact that Cassel, even when given a great offensive line and excellent skilled players around him, is nothing more than average.

Personally, I think that's his ceiling: Average.

Time will tell.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 08:28 PM
I have a really really hard time believing they'd make that move, I don't even think Clark Hunt would ok it, so you want me to spend 100+ mill on QB's in 2 years?

No way Scott not happening Cassel is suppose to be the guy that's what you said.

"You want me to spend how much on two DEs in two years?" /Clark

I see very little difference.

Brock
02-15-2010, 08:28 PM
We aren't the Redskins here, I don't think Clark Hunt would be ok with the idea of being sold on 2 QB's being the franchise in 2 years and giving them both a lot of money.

Noted.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 08:32 PM
Noted.

You can note it all you want, the odds of the Chiefs using the 5th pick this year on a QB is about the same as Hootie growing a brain.

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 08:32 PM
We aren't the Redskins here, I don't think Clark Hunt would be ok with the idea of being sold on 2 QB's being the franchise in 2 years and giving them both a lot of money.

I'm pretty sure that once the keys were handed over, Clark Hunt isn't meddling too much. I doubt that this is a problem. The Chiefs have to spend that #5 pick money no matter who they draft. And I think everyone and their mom realizes that there aren't going to be a lot of players in FA to spend on anyway.

Seriously, I don't see any major obstacle. If the Chiefs like Clausen, they'll take him. To say otherwise is pure conspiracy theory.

the Talking Can
02-15-2010, 08:34 PM
Cassel is the QB. Pioli gave him a ton of cash for that role. If we did draft Clausen he would ride the pine for 2010 for certain.

you say that likes it a bad thing

clausen riding the pine for a year would be the best thing....

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 08:34 PM
I'm pretty sure that once the keys were handed over, Clark Hunt isn't meddling too much. I doubt that this is a problem. The Chiefs have to spend that #5 pick money no matter who they draft. And I think everyone and their mom realizes that there aren't going to be a lot of players in FA to spend on anyway.

Seriously, I don't see any major obstacle. If the Chiefs like Clausen, they'll take him. To say otherwise is pure conspiracy theory.

Hang on, now. It's almost 100 percent accepted that Clark was the reason why we had to **** around with Gailey for as long as we did, so I'm not as confident in his "hands-off" approach.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 08:35 PM
I'm pretty sure that once the keys were handed over, Clark Hunt isn't meddling too much. I doubt that this is a problem. The Chiefs have to spend that #5 pick money no matter who they draft. And I think everyone and their mom realizes that there aren't going to be a lot of players in FA to spend on anyway.

Seriously, I don't see any major obstacle. If the Chiefs like Clausen, they'll take him. To say otherwise is pure conspiracy theory.

Wouldn't you say it's a pretty safe assumption this team won't be using it's 1st pick on a QB?

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 08:35 PM
It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?

Cassel battled a ton of issues outside his control, and stayed pretty positive for the most part.

Cassel's mental toughness is the very least of my concerns.

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There's a lot of people on this website who have been talking about Cassel, and his lack of any poise as the year progressed. He looked scared back there frequently. Even after the line improved. I think he's a pussy. Looks like Weis agrees.

Brock
02-15-2010, 08:35 PM
You can note it all you want, the odds of the Chiefs using the 5th pick this year on a QB is about the same as Hootie growing a brain.

I was actually being sarcastic, because I would never bother to note your opinion as if it meant anything. There's just too many "Kawika Mitchell's going to get 30 million dollars" posts under the bridge.

TRR
02-15-2010, 08:35 PM
Time will tell.

At least you got one thing right in your post. ;o)
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TRR
02-15-2010, 08:38 PM
There's a lot of people on this website who have been talking about Cassel, and his lack of any poise as the year progressed. He looked scared back there frequently. Even after the line improved. I think he's a pussy. Looks like Weis agrees.

Eloquently said.

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chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 08:40 PM
Wouldn't you say it's a pretty safe assumption this team won't be using it's 1st pick on a QB?

I doubt they draft a QB there. But I don't think it will be because they were afraid to take another QB or because of politics.

If we follow Pioli's history, he likes to take QBs around the 2nd or 3rd. And frankly, I think there are a lot of teams that will be afraid to rate Clausen as a legit top 10 pick. Question that decision all you want. But that's a very different reason.

Easy 6
02-15-2010, 08:41 PM
I would be willing to bet that if somehow both QB's aren't gone by 5 the Chiefs attempt to move down, everyone will think the Chiefs are going to take the QB and we'll just be dropping out, Pioli is not going to take a QB top 5 basically admitting his pick of Cassel was an epic ****up.

I dont completely buy the angle that Pioli, regardless of investment made in Cassel, wouldnt insure the mission critical QB position with a kid that is very well known & liked by his talented & trusted comrade OC.

It wouldnt be an admission of anything, other than wanting to be as set as possible at QB. Cassel gets hurt or maybe he's still kinda grinding along a year & half from now...

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 08:44 PM
Hang on, now. It's almost 100 percent accepted that Clark was the reason why we had to **** around with Gailey for as long as we did, so I'm not as confident in his "hands-off" approach.

I don't think it's a secret that Clark Hunt would have liked to have kept Herm and felt guilty about pushing him out when Herm was promised time to gut the team. And one of those big decisions Herm made was to hire Chan Gailey, who would have been fired after one season. I doubt that he has the same kind of emotional attachment to Cassel. And I doubt he meddles much outside of the initial coaching decision.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 08:44 PM
I doubt they draft a QB there. But I don't think it will be because they were afraid to take another QB or because of politics.

If we follow Pioli's history, he likes to take QBs around the 2nd or 3rd. And frankly, I think there are a lot of teams that will be afraid to rate Clausen as a legit top 10 pick. Question that decision all you want. But that's a very different reason.

We can't follow Pioli's history because he's never been in the position to need to draft a QB high.

He went from having the #1 overall pick to the fucking winning lottery ticket.

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 08:45 PM
We can't follow Pioli's history because he's never been in the position to need to draft a QB high.

He went from having the #1 overall pick to the ****ing winning lottery ticket.

Good point.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 08:46 PM
Eloquently said.

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LOL, did that offend you? Or were you just trying to discredit my post because you don't agree with it? Stay classy.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 08:46 PM
Seriously Clausen's worse case scenario is Buffalo, same for Bradford they're both gone by 9 in a worst day for them scenario.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 08:47 PM
I don't think it's a secret that Clark Hunt would have liked to have kept Herm and felt guilty about pushing him out when Herm was promised time to gut the team. And one of those big decisions Herm made was to hire Chan Gailey, who would have been fired after one season. I doubt that he has the same kind of emotional attachment to Cassel. And I doubt he meddles much outside of the initial coaching decision.

When you're getting paid millions of dollars, I have no sympathy for people losing their jobs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge the money they make; it's fair and part of the league. But you can't feel "bad" for anyone who has lifetime security. Thus it's easier to make calculated business decisions.

There shouldn't be any emotional attachments, at least in theory.

Iowanian
02-15-2010, 08:48 PM
Wow, that's some list of excuses you just made.

What he really meant was "KEEP F-ING DOUBTING MATT CASSEL!!! F'in F'ER!"



Personally, I think most of the above listed possible situations are likely discussed and would be considered. It's due diligence for the team to evaluate the worth of some of their players, as well as inquire into possibilities to fill holes or improve the team.

I have no doubt they'd consider shopping DBowe or replacing Cassel.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 08:48 PM
You don't think Clark felt more bad that he had to pay guys that weren't working for the team anymore?

Ralphy Boy
02-15-2010, 08:51 PM
If we follow Pioli's history, he likes to take QBs around the 2nd or 3rd. And frankly, I think there are a lot of teams that will be afraid to rate Clausen as a legit top 10 pick. Question that decision all you want. But that's a very different reason.

When has Pioli taken a QB in the 2nd?

Kevin O'Connell 3rd round, 2008
Matt Cassel 7th round 2005
Kliff Kingsbury 6th round 2003
Rohan Davey 4th round 2002
Tom Brady 6th round 2000

One QB in the 3rd round. Wow, what a history. I'd say his history is taking QB's on the 2nd day of the draft, like he did 4 out of the 5 times he drafted one.

TRR
02-15-2010, 08:51 PM
LOL, did that offend you? Or were you just trying to discredit my post because you don't agree with it? Stay classy.

I think the word idiotic sums it up best.
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DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 08:51 PM
The one thing that I liked best about the Pioli hire at the time was that he seemed to understand the importance of the QB position. Even with established starters, he kept drafting QBs, so that there was the hope of developing the next starter in the pipeline. This is a fantastic approach, and one that we need to emulate.

And then he went vintage Carl...

chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 08:52 PM
When you're getting paid millions of dollars, I have no sympathy for people losing their jobs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge the money they make; it's fair and part of the league. But you can't feel "bad" for anyone who has lifetime security. Thus it's easier to make calculated business decisions.

There shouldn't be any emotional attachments, at least in theory.

You don't have to feel sorry for Herm. But from Clark Hunt's perspective, given that Herm completely gutted the team, I can't imagine he would have done so unless he received some kind of assurance that his job would be safe in 2009 regardless of how many wins the team had.

It's not as much about Herm as much as it is about Hunt. With Herm/Gailey, I imagine he feels like he broke a promise. That's why I think he was a lot more involved with the coaching decision than with players. I don't see any players on this roster who Clark Hunt refused to let Pioli cut because of emotionality.

TRR
02-15-2010, 08:53 PM
What he really meant was "KEEP F-ING DOUBTING MATT CASSEL!!! F'in F'ER!"
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And boy was I right on.
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chiefzilla1501
02-15-2010, 08:53 PM
When has Pioli taken a QB in the 2nd?

Kevin O'Connell 3rd round, 2008
Matt Cassel 7th round 2005
Kliff Kingsbury 6th round 2003
Rohan Davey 4th round 2002
Tom Brady 6th round 2000

One QB in the 3rd round. Wow, what a history. I'd say his history is taking QB's on the 2nd day of the draft, like he did 4 out of the 5 times he drafted one.

Wow, I was completely wrong on that.

Served.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 08:54 PM
I personally think if the Chiefs dressed up a giant turd sandwich as QB, TRR would tell us how it's going to be a pro bowler one day.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 08:56 PM
You don't have to feel sorry for Herm. But from Clark Hunt's perspective, given that Herm completely gutted the team, I can't imagine he would have done so unless he received some kind of assurance that his job would be safe in 2009 regardless of how many wins the team had.

It's not as much about Herm as much as it is about Hunt. With Herm/Gailey, I imagine he feels like he broke a promise. That's why I think he was a lot more involved with the coaching decision than with players. I don't see any players on this roster who Clark Hunt refused to let Pioli cut because of emotionality.

Yeah, I could understand that perspective. If he promised something, it would be very difficult, to say the least, to break his word.

TRR
02-15-2010, 09:01 PM
I personally think if the Chiefs dressed up a giant turd sandwich as QB, TRR would tell us how it's going to be a pro bowler one day.

What's your credentials for judging an NFL QB? Same as mine I would imagine.

My opinion of Cassel (and any NFL QB) is that you have to have consistent pieces around him to be successful. Until Cassel has that, you can't judge him.

Am I saying he's a future Hall of Famer or Pro Bowler? Not at all. I'm saying let's be a bit patient, and see what he can do when he is afforded a bit more time and consistency in offensive philosophies and personel.
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Mecca
02-15-2010, 09:02 PM
What's your credentials for judging an NFL QB? Same as mine I would imagine.

My opinion of Cassel (and any NFL QB) is that you have to have consistent pieces around him to be successful. Until Cassel has that, you can't judge him.

Am I saying he's a future Hall of Famer or Pro Bowler? Not at all. I'm saying let's be a bit patient, and see what he can do when he is afforded a bit more time and consistency in offensive philosophies and personel.
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I think it's because you once said....this...

And who would that QB be? There isn't a Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer in the 2008 draft. Matt Ryan, Brian Brohm, and Andre Woodson would all be very late 1st, if not 2nd round selections in almost any other years draft.

Unfortanely IMO, Ryan and the bunch don't bring much more to the table than Croyle, especially if the O Line is not rebuilt.

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2010, 09:02 PM
If I was Clark Hunt I would have fired Pioli the second after he made that trade, or just slapped the shit out of him the moment he propsed it.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 09:03 PM
If I was Clark Hunt I would have fired Pioli the second after he made that trade, or just slapped the shit out of him the moment he propsed it.

WTF, do you think you're Carl Peterson? I just fired that dipshit and now you make a move he would make!

TRR
02-15-2010, 09:05 PM
I think it's because you once said....this...

And who would that QB be? There isn't a Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer in the 2008 draft. Matt Ryan, Brian Brohm, and Andre Woodson would all be very late 1st, if not 2nd round selections in almost any other years draft.

Unfortanely IMO, Ryan and the bunch don't bring much more to the table than Croyle, especially if the O Line is not rebuilt.

2 out of 3 aint bad....and Ryan has a lot to prove still....
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Mecca
02-15-2010, 09:06 PM
When I read the phrase "Hey Ryan ain't much better than Croyle" that is a typical KC QB fan thing to say.

It comes out every year.

The Bad Guy
02-15-2010, 09:07 PM
What I've learned in this thread, is that unless you give Cassel studs everywhere, no one can criticize him.

I'm going to go to the other 15 teams in the NFL that have shit QBs and let them know that no fans can be critical of those QBs because they don't have good skill position players.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 09:09 PM
What I've learned in this thread, is that unless you give Cassel studs everywhere, no one can criticize him.

I'm going to go to the other 15 teams in the NFL that have shit QBs and let them know that no fans can be critical of those QBs because they don't have good skill position players.

It's a travesty that Washington is going to replace Jason Campbell, Trent Edwards also subscribes to this notion.

The Bad Guy
02-15-2010, 09:10 PM
WTF, do you think you're Carl Peterson? I just fired that dipshit and now you make a move he would make!

I keep reading this, and it's complete bullshit every time.

Carl Peterson signed players he had no first-hand knowledge of. Pioli was around Cassel, knew alot about him, and obviously had a lot of faith in his abilities.

The only comparison is Trent Green with Vermeil.

Carl Peterson never had a comfort level with any of the 49ers QBs he acquired prior.

TRR
02-15-2010, 09:11 PM
When I read the phrase "Hey Ryan ain't much better than Croyle" that is a typical KC QB fan thing to say.

It comes out every year.

I didn't say he wasn't much better than Croyle...I said at the time that I didn't think he brought much more to the table. Was I wrong? Time will tell.

Ryan has exceeded expectations in my eyes thus far....but I was spot on with Woodson and Brohm up till now.

We could go back to any poster on this board and pull up a ridiculous quote FWIW...especially you.
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The Bad Guy
02-15-2010, 09:12 PM
It's a travesty that Washington is going to replace Jason Campbell, Trent Edwards also subscribes to this notion.

Yep. We just can't accuarately criticize Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, or Brady Quinn either.

Mecca
02-15-2010, 09:12 PM
I didn't say he wasn't much better than Croyle...I said at the time that I didn't think he brought much more to the table. Was I wrong? Time will tell.

Ryan has exceeded expectations in my eyes thus far....but I was spot on with Woodson and Brohm up till now.

We could go back to any poster on this board and pull up a ridiculous quote FWIW...especially you.
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If you said every QB was going to suck you'd get more right than you got wrong, that's the general argument every year. 'QB is risky" "this guy isn't that good" etc etc etc.

It's just to bad that in a QB driven league until you find one you're on the outside looking in.

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2010, 09:14 PM
What I've learned in this thread, is that unless you give Cassel studs everywhere, no one can criticize him.


Its funny how everybody forgets about his days in New England when he had that talent, and still wasn't that good.

TRR
02-15-2010, 09:15 PM
What I've learned in this thread, is that unless you give Cassel studs everywhere, no one can criticize him.

I'm going to go to the other 15 teams in the NFL that have shit QBs and let them know that no fans can be critical of those QBs because they don't have good skill position players.

If you can truly judge Cassel on the trainwreck that was last years offense, then I will send a letter of recommendation to all the NFL teams in the league begging for you to get a job as a scout.

Only time will tell who's right and who's wrong.
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Mecca
02-15-2010, 09:15 PM
Its funny how everybody forgets about his days in New England when he had that talent, and still wasn't that good.

It's really hard to throw WR screen passes man.

The Bad Guy
02-15-2010, 09:16 PM
Its funny how everybody forgets about his days in New England when he had that talent, and still wasn't that good.

That's a little exaggerated as well. Do some of you really think he's going to come in and be a flawless player when he didn't start a real game in 8 years? I mean, he did perform well with top-notch talent, but it's like you can plug and play any QB into that spot and get above average production.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 09:16 PM
I keep reading this, and it's complete bullshit every time.

Carl Peterson signed players he had no first-hand knowledge of. Pioli was around Cassel, knew alot about him, and obviously had a lot of faith in his abilities.

The only comparison is Trent Green with Vermeil.

Carl Peterson never had a comfort level with any of the 49ers QBs he acquired prior.

Joe Montana. Hackett was the OC when he was acquired.

And this obviously started the trend, so I'd say it's pretty applicable.

TRR
02-15-2010, 09:18 PM
Its funny how everybody forgets about his days in New England when he had that talent, and still wasn't that good.

Lol!!!

Deeper and deeper it gets.
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Mecca
02-15-2010, 09:18 PM
The thing is Cassel has the same problem he had when he played for NE, his deep ball is horrible and his accuracy is highly questionable, the further he gets down the field the more wild it gets.

He's still that same guy.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-15-2010, 09:18 PM
I think the word idiotic sums it up best.
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Your posts are content driven.

The Bad Guy
02-15-2010, 09:19 PM
It's really hard to throw WR screen passes man.

That throw to Moss in the Jet game in the endzone was one of the best passes I saw all of the 08 season.

I think the Cassel haters are getting out of control with this now though. The guy sucked last year bad. But that doesn't take away from the season he had in New England in 08.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 09:19 PM
The numbers support the claims.

Cassel, at best, is average.

Seriously, this reminds me of Royals fan hoping that Hochevar develops. Um...wake up.

The Bad Guy
02-15-2010, 09:20 PM
Joe Montana. Hackett was the OC when he was acquired.

And this obviously started the trend, so I'd say it's pretty applicable.

The trend? The trend of getting familiar players in with coaches they have had prior is a pretty common thing in the NFL.

Deberg_1990
02-15-2010, 09:21 PM
Cassel cause Chief he get good!

Mecca
02-15-2010, 09:21 PM
That throw to Moss in the Jet game in the endzone was one of the best passes I saw all of the 08 season.

I think the Cassel haters are getting out of control with this now though. The guy sucked last year bad. But that doesn't take away from the season he had in New England in 08.

That's 1 throw, and it's fine to bring it up as a great play he made. All I ask for is consistency, until he can consistently complete passes in the 10-20 yard range he will always struggle.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 09:22 PM
I keep reading this, and it's complete bullshit every time.

Carl Peterson signed players he had no first-hand knowledge of. Pioli was around Cassel, knew alot about him, and obviously had a lot of faith in his abilities.

The only comparison is Trent Green with Vermeil.

Carl Peterson never had a comfort level with any of the 49ers QBs he acquired prior.

The trend? The trend of getting familiar players in with coaches they have had prior is a pretty common thing in the NFL.

These statements are antithetical.

I don't believe the Cassel acquisition was a "safe" play, but it was absolutely the type of "risk" that Carl would have been more than comfortable with, especially with the draft pick we surrendered.

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2010, 09:25 PM
That throw to Moss in the Jet game in the endzone was one of the best passes I saw all of the 08 season.

I think the Cassel haters are getting out of control with this now though. The guy sucked last year bad. But that doesn't take away from the season he had in New England in 08.

It wasn't that great of a season. It was a bunch of screen passes to Welker and Moss to break for YAC. He was average as best that year, not to mention he sucked even worst this year when he had the better OL, better running game and better WRs.

The Bad Guy
02-15-2010, 09:26 PM
It wasn't that great of a season. It was a bunch of screen passes to Welker and Moss to break for YAC. He was average as best that year, not to mention he sucked even worst this year when he had the better OL, better running game and better WRs.

It was a very good season for someone with zero college or NFL real game starting experience prior.

I don't know why that's so hard to admit. I understand he sucks, and I don't think he'll ever amount to much, but the ragging on him constantly is like Reerun beating the Herm drum every chance he gets.

ForeverChiefs58
02-15-2010, 09:26 PM
Its funny how everybody forgets about his days in New England when he had that talent, and still wasn't that good.

he still won more games in one season, than the chiefs have in three seasons.

Deberg_1990
02-15-2010, 09:32 PM
I dont think Cassel is complete garbage....but i dont see alot of upside in him.

I think hes always going to be a guy who throws 15-20 TD's a year.

I want a guy who is going to throw 25 -35 TD's a year. Thats pretty much the standard now for guys going to Super Bowls.

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2010, 09:32 PM
It was a very good season for someone with zero college or NFL real game starting experience prior.

I don't know why that's so hard to admit. I understand he sucks, and I don't think he'll ever amount to much, but the ragging on him constantly is like Reerun beating the Herm drum every chance he gets.

Well he is paid to be our franchise QB and the team fucked up by trading for him when a legit one was available. I think its legit to rag on the POS. Face it he is the face of our franchise, if he played like a legit franchise QB I would have no problem eating crow and say I was wrong about him. I really would and hope for the Chiefs sake he does, bc I don't think Pioli is man enought to admit he screwed up.

milkman
02-15-2010, 09:34 PM
It was a very good season for someone with zero college or NFL real game starting experience prior.

I don't know why that's so hard to admit. I understand he sucks, and I don't think he'll ever amount to much, but the ragging on him constantly is like Reerun beating the Herm drum every chance he gets.

I tend to agree with you.

I believe he was better with the Patriots in '08 than most are giving him credit for, but like you, I don't expect him to ever amount to much.


As to the news, if they like Clausen enough to trade a couple of draft picks for him, just take him a #5 overall.

We have too many holes to fill to be giving away picks that high in the draft, and last year proved that reaching wasn't a problem for them.

Touchdown Bowe
02-15-2010, 09:38 PM
20th-25th pick? He'll be lucky to escape the top 10..

Fat Elvis
02-15-2010, 09:47 PM
would the Lions pass on one of the top DT's in this draft for Dorsey? I don't see it. I think I would take Suh over Dorsey, but that is just me.

You're not Gunther Cunningham....

DaneMcCloud
02-15-2010, 09:49 PM
What's your credentials for judging an NFL QB? Same as mine I would imagine.

My opinion of Cassel (and any NFL QB) is that you have to have consistent pieces around him to be successful. Until Cassel has that, you can't judge him.


Exactly. He's nothing special, maybe even below average.

He'll never be the guy to put the team on his back and win consistently. He's a role player.

And yes, we can judge him because the evidence exists to support this conclusion.

Touchdown Bowe
02-15-2010, 09:52 PM
Cassel is basically Trent Dilfer..He'll never lead us to the super bowl unless we provide him with a top notch defense

Hog Farmer
02-15-2010, 09:58 PM
Trent Dilfer sucked!

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 10:22 PM
That's 1 throw, and it's fine to bring it up as a great play he made. All I ask for is consistency, until he can consistently complete passes in the 10-20 yard range he will always struggle.

Explain why Cassel threw for 2 400 yard games. You never admit to being wrong.

OnTheWarpath58
02-15-2010, 10:24 PM
Explain why Cassel threw for 2 400 yard games. You never admit to being wrong.

http://www.mycolts.net/blogs/peytonspla_blog/archive/2009/07/14/matt-cassel-buyer-beware-of-yac.aspx

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 10:25 PM
http://www.mycolts.net/blogs/peytonspla_blog/archive/2009/07/14/matt-cassel-buyer-beware-of-yac.aspx

"Yards after the catch (YAC), accounted for a whopping 57.3 percent of his total passing yards. The closest to that were Jason Campbell (52.0 percent) and Brett Favre (51.2 percent)."

And Mecca defends the other 2 imagine that. I suppose thats why we never see Mecca around after a Chiefs victory either?

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2010, 10:26 PM
Explain why Cassel threw for 2 400 yard games. You never admit to being wrong.

Grbac threw for 500 yards in a game, Steve Bono won 13 games.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 10:28 PM
Grbac threw for 500 yards in a game, Steve Bono won 13 games.

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about thanks.

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2010, 10:34 PM
That has nothing to do with what we're talking about thanks.

Yes it does, it proves stats don't mean jack shit when it comes to a QB.

Brock
02-15-2010, 10:35 PM
Yes it does, it proves stats don't mean jack shit when it comes to a QB.

lolwut

OnTheWarpath58
02-15-2010, 10:35 PM
Yes it does, it proves regular season stats don't mean jack shit when it comes to a QB.

FYP.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 10:37 PM
I swear the Cassel haters are becoming more and more like Glen Beck.

Reaper16
02-15-2010, 10:47 PM
I swear the Cassel haters are becoming more and more like Glen Beck.
Madness.

LaChapelle
02-15-2010, 10:53 PM
It took over 250 ****ing posts
vroooommm vroooommm

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 10:54 PM
That has nothing to do with what we're talking about thanks.

I swear the Cassel haters are becoming more and more like Glen Beck.

lol.

Saccopoo
02-15-2010, 11:05 PM
Well he is paid to be our franchise QB and the team ****ed up by trading for him when a legit one was available. I think its legit to rag on the POS. Face it he is the face of our franchise, if he played like a legit franchise QB I would have no problem eating crow and say I was wrong about him. I really would and hope for the Chiefs sake he does, bc I don't think Pioli is man enought to admit he screwed up.

Who is this legit franchise quarterback that was available to the Chiefs?

Sanchez?

12 TDS
20 INTS
2444 YDS
63.0 Rating

Cassel

16 TDS
16 INTS
2924 YDS
69.9 Rating

And then consider that the Cassel was the second most sacked quarterback in the league and the Chiefs receivers led the league in dropped passes.

:bong:

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-15-2010, 11:06 PM
My opinion of Weis went up dramatically. My opinion of Haley and Pioli stayed the same.

Honestly, If Weis thinks Clausen is worth it at 25, he's worth it at 5. You're drafting him there to be a QBOTF.

DaneMcCloud
02-15-2010, 11:07 PM
Who is this legit franchise quarterback that was available to the Chiefs?

Sanchez?

12 TDS
20 INTS
2444 YDS
63.0 Rating

Cassel

16 TDS
16 INTS
2924 YDS
69.9 Rating

And then consider that the Cassel was the second most sacked quarterback in the league and the Chiefs receivers led the league in dropped passes.

:bong:

Sanchez had two very bad games. He also won two playoff games and was leading a third when his team was beaten by Peyton Manning.

The Jets will add at least one more receiver this off-season and Sanchez will continue to improve.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 11:08 PM
My opinion of Weis went up dramatically. My opinion of Haley and Pioli stayed the same.

Honestly, If Weis thinks Clausen is worth it at 25, he's worth it at 5. You're drafting him there to be a QBOTF.

This. It's refreshing to see.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 11:09 PM
Sanchez won more than that loser Tony Gonzalez has won his whole career. Lets quit with the Sanchez/Cassel comparisons. Sanchez will be the better QB.

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2010, 11:10 PM
Who is this legit franchise quarterback that was available to the Chiefs?

Sanchez?

12 TDS
20 INTS
2444 YDS
63.0 Rating

Cassel

16 TDS
16 INTS
2924 YDS
69.9 Rating

And then consider that the Cassel was the second most sacked quarterback in the league and the Chiefs receivers led the league in dropped passes.

:bong:

Must suck to be that QB who has beaten Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Has 2 playoff wins and played his best game in the biggest game of his NFL career. Must suck be a nOOb QB who didn't shit himself in the playoffs either. Must suck to be the Jets who can build for the next 15 years around Sanchez.

Saccopoo
02-15-2010, 11:17 PM
Sanchez had two very bad games. He also won two playoff games and was leading a third when his team was beaten by Peyton Manning.

The Jets will add at least one more receiver this off-season and Sanchez will continue to improve.

I'm sure he will, but he's playing behind one of, if not the, best offensive lines in the NFL and had the #1 rated defense to cover his ass. But yet, he threw for 500 yards less than Cassel and had four less touchdowns, four more interceptions and a substantially lower quarterback rating. Cassel played behind the worst offensive line in football, had no defense to rely on, and his receivers led the league in drops. But he still had a better year than Sanchez, and people around here are ready to tar and feather Matt. You put Sanchez on this Chiefs team and think about what his stats would have looked like. If he could only throw for 2400 yards and a 63 QB rating on that Jets team, how bad would it have been here? But the vast majority of this board is more than happy to crucify Cassel.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-15-2010, 11:18 PM
Matt Cassel had a better rookie year. Higher TD/Int ratio, threw for more yards, higher QB rating. He had a better rookie year than Stafford, too. Great, young prospect who will only get better. And he's only in his early 20s.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-15-2010, 11:20 PM
I'm sure he will, but he's playing behind one of, if not the, best offensive lines in the NFL and had the #1 rated defense to cover his ass. But yet, he threw for 500 yards less than Cassel and had four less touchdowns, four more interceptions and a substantially lower quarterback rating. Cassel played behind the worst offensive line in football, had no defense to rely on, and his receivers led the league in drops. But he still had a better year than Sanchez, and people around here are ready to tar and feather Matt. You put Sanchez on this Chiefs team and think about what his stats would have looked like. If he could only throw for 2400 yards and a 63 QB rating on that Jets team, how bad would it have been here? But the vast majority of this board is more than happy to crucify Cassel.

I don't want to crucify Cassel, I wan't to crucify him upside down. I'd like to garrote him with Concertina Wire, and then have Ivar the Boneless give his worthless ass a Blood Eagle, topped off with him being drawn and quartered by four Clydesdales at midfield of Arrowhead. But first, I'd like to clone him, just so I could see it done to him again.

And yet, in spite all of this, I still hope he succeeds.

Saccopoo
02-15-2010, 11:21 PM
Must suck to be that QB who has beaten Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Has 2 playoff wins and played his best game in the biggest game of his NFL career. Must suck be a nOOb QB who didn't shit himself in the playoffs either. Must suck to be the Jets who can build for the next 15 years around Sanchez.

Why are you even here? Go buy a Sanchez jersey and start posting on the Jets fan boards.

BossChief
02-15-2010, 11:22 PM
How about giving the guy a chance?

I mean, shit we can keep beating a dead horse or we can look at the Cassel situation as a player that nobody in the world knows his upside.

I wanted no part of the trade, but whats done is done. I have hope that we have the right people around him so he can be successful in the future.

As Ive said before, I would be very very happy if we took Jimmy Clausen, but it isnt gonna happen.

I am trying to keep a glass half full outlook on the guy and hope that the reasons he wasnt successful last year will be lessened and he will get more comfortable and start to make plays. I dont know if that can happen, but with Weis as his OC and QBC he should have the best opportunity of doing so as possible.

Dropped passes
no qb coach
no offensive coordinator
line consistency

We have VASTLY improved two of those with the Weis hire and we fix the problems we have at receiver problem and are better on the line before we take the field next year. I have hope. We

2009 was a complete loss of a year to an already advanced aged and under-experienced qb. Not a good start to the regime, but hopefully its salvageable.

DaneMcCloud
02-15-2010, 11:24 PM
I'm sure he will, but he's playing behind one of, if not the, best offensive lines in the NFL and had the #1 rated defense to cover his ass. But yet, he threw for 500 yards less than Cassel and had four less touchdowns, four more interceptions and a substantially lower quarterback rating. Cassel played behind the worst offensive line in football, had no defense to rely on, and his receivers led the league in drops. But he still had a better year than Sanchez, and people around here are ready to tar and feather Matt. You put Sanchez on this Chiefs team and think about what his stats would have looked like. If he could only throw for 2400 yards and a 63 QB rating on that Jets team, how bad would it have been here? But the vast majority of this board is more than happy to crucify Cassel.

I don't think Cassel's upside is nearly as great as Sanchez's upside.

Sanchez is just getting started and Cassel is nearly 28 years old.

RustShack
02-15-2010, 11:29 PM
We can't follow Pioli's history because he's never been in the position to need to draft a QB high.

He went from having the #1 overall pick to the fucking winning lottery ticket.

Actually Pioli drafted Chad Pennington in the first round.

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2010, 11:29 PM
Why are you even here? Go buy a Sanchez jersey and start posting on the Jets fan boards.

I really wish the Aids Tree would hit you full force, you make CoMo and Hootie look like geniuses.

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2010, 11:30 PM
Actually Pioli drafted Chad Pennington in the first round.

Pioli didnt work for the Jets in 2000.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 11:32 PM
Actually Pioli drafted Chad Pennington in the first round.

The Assistant Director of Player Personnel is a powerful position...in NE.

RustShack
02-15-2010, 11:34 PM
Pioli didnt work for the Jets in 2000.

Not for the season, but he did for the draft and before it.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 11:35 PM
The Assistant Director of Player Personnel is a powerful position...in NE.

From everything I read he played in a part in trading for Welker and Moss.

RustShack
02-15-2010, 11:36 PM
I also like how some people are treating Cassel as a rookie. If he was a project that needed time there is no reason not to draft the younger and far more talented project that needs time.

Saccopoo
02-15-2010, 11:37 PM
I really wish the Aids Tree would hit you full force, you make CoMo and Hootie look like geniuses.

You are the retard claiming that Sanchez is the ultimate QBOTF Franchise guy after his complete shit bag of a season.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

Rex Grossman got to a Super Bowl.

Because they went deep into the playoffs, are they the ultimate franchise type quarterback? Because you are using that sole qualifier for Sanchez. A guy with a 63 rating and a whopping 12 TDs.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 11:38 PM
From everything I read he played in a part in trading for Welker and Moss.

Yeah, I was speaking only about the Pennington acquisition. I didn't think they overlapped b/c Pioli was off to NE in 2000.

I'm not 100 percent on this. Could be wrong.

RustShack
02-15-2010, 11:39 PM
From everything I read he played in a part in trading for Welker and Moss.

The Pioli haters like to pretend the GM does everything without the help of the guys he hired to do that stuff.

DeezNutz
02-15-2010, 11:41 PM
From my perspective, the "Pioli haters" want to see some evidence that the motherfucker can put together a string of strong moves on his own.

He simply couldn't have had a worse '09. Now let's see him rebound.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 11:41 PM
Meh even if he drafted Pennington it's not much to write home about. I hope this source is right though this will draw a clear distinction between Pioli and Peterson.

Chocolate Hog
02-15-2010, 11:43 PM
From my perspective, the "Pioli haters" want to see some evidence that the mother****er can put together a string of strong moves on his own.

He simply couldn't have had a worse '09. Now let's see him rebound.

This. Pioli looks to be off to a good start by hiring Crennel & Weis, I don't remember the last time the Chiefs didn't have cordinators who were "Yes Sir" guys.