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chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 06:15 AM
I'm watching raws Jerry springer episode this is awful. Raw PG is not raw anymore it's crap TV. Hogan please save wrestling.

Sorry had to say something

jwazzie
02-16-2010, 08:20 AM
I think that when they start going head to head March 8th, I feel that people will slowly gravitate to TNA because of the storylines. If they push the wrestlers like the Pope, Samoa Joe, Styles, etc. then it will work. I think Bischoff and Hogan learned from their mistakes in WCW that old timers work for a little while but dies off. WWE is ok with what they bring because their isn't any competition out there. It should get really good in about 6 months when everything is settled on Monday Nights and you can go back and forth.

MOhillbilly
02-16-2010, 08:28 AM
i miss the old days of GCW. I always liked the Andersons & the Von Erichs.

Youd get up sat. morn. and catch mornin toons startin at 5, watch em till 10:30a - 11 than catch grapplin for an hour or two. Switch over after that and get some star trek......;)

BigCatDaddy
02-16-2010, 08:29 AM
GLOW FTW!

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 08:55 AM
Well I hope other shows are better because last nights episode took a nose dive and Kelly Kelly is hot but main she is not believable

Ceej
02-16-2010, 08:58 AM
Bring back the old ECW, please, kthx.

MOhillbilly
02-16-2010, 08:59 AM
Well I hope other shows are better because last nights episode took a nose dive and Kelly Kelly is hot but main she is not believable

WOOO, Lets do the time wrap again..

Tango&Cash
02-16-2010, 09:08 AM
The Rock
Stone Cold
Goldberg (to some degree)
nWo
DX

These guys/groups made wrestling in the 90's and early 2000's

Once these guys left, WWE had no talent or marketable personalities to match them. I mean they had the older guys like Undertaker, Kane, Triple H, HBK, and so on. But nothing compared to the 3 above, esp Rock and Austin, those 2 took America by storm. Shit I still like the Rock, even though he's a shitty actor and his movies are crap not counting Walking Tall and The Rundown.

Even Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, John Cena aka the whitest mexican thug on the planet, are all junk characters.

That and MMA became absolutely HUGE in America. Add that to the fact that Pro wrestling is fake and MMA is real, then you lose a lot of fanbase, and Lesnar didn't help WWE too much by leaving for UFC.

MoreLemonPledge
02-16-2010, 09:13 AM
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chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 09:15 AM
Lol I mean she was laughing the whole time. It's like Vince is saying I can put crap out there and still make u pay :). I'm sorry once again I hope bischoff and hogan can take him down a couple of notches. They did it once and it forced Vince to take chances I mean they are even screwing up the Brett hart storyline. Let me guess next week Vince will now say the match is back on if Brett can fight and will laugh. Later we will find out it was all a setup to get him in the ring and Brett is fine blah blah blah. HBK is switched to smackdown and signed by viki Guerrero and will be in match at wrestlemania against undertaker thus why no hbk last night. If this all happens can u. Say too predictable?

On a side note wcw went live and knowing raw was still tapped bischoff did one of the greatest moves ever he told the winners of every match and signed Rick rude made him shave that beard and come out the same time him in full beard was on RAw lol. You could just imagine Vince yelling at the tv man to be a fly on the wall that day

Tango&Cash
02-16-2010, 09:19 AM
The thing about WWE is that it became too big to manage. One of the worst things they ever did was split the shows into 2 different "leagues" so to speak.

They got too big to manage all of their star power and the story lines associated with them. You had some big stars on RAW, some big stars on Smackdown, and they would never have any storylines between them unless they had a RAW vs Smackdown PPV.

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 09:25 AM
Well competition is good so hopefully bischoff can pull some tricks out I have to be honest with u I'm excited to find out is hogan bad or good? Is Rick flair using aj ? Will Kurt ever get a legit chance? Why did x PAC and hall attack Nash? And WWE I wanna watch hmm the only reason I can think of is to see if Jewell is gonna wear something low cut. Yep great wrestling action what a joke.

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 09:33 AM
T and c

I agree frankly I hate to say this but smackdown is a better show

if RAW really wanted to save itself it would make Orton the anti hero like they did with Austin. Don't take his edge but last night you heard the crowd they want to cheer him but there not sure they should. Have him be like I'm done with legacy and be like I don't need any help. Have the Austin attitude is I can RKO anyone at anytime remember that and smile. Bam now he isn't a goody too shoes but a bad sob which people will be like f them up Randy. Bam people care about him. Have cena play to the crowd have orton say u have to play to the crowd all I have to do is rko people and take people out. Raw is saved.

Crashride
02-16-2010, 09:35 AM
I just dont get it. I used to be sooo into wrestling, but now I cant watch it for 2 minutes without thinking how retarded it is. Maybe it's MMA's influence.

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 09:37 AM
Crashride I agree

do u agree bout orton?

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 09:42 AM
Personally I loved cena when he started. I mean he use to wear the rivals jersey of the town they were in and his finishing move was the FU now it's called something else and him telling how much he lives for wrestling blah blah. Oh yeah and. Taking off his shirt flexing and saying u want some come get some. Hmm they've turned him into a joke but Vince is so damn arrogant that he thinks no one can challenge him. Man is he in for a shock when TNA goes head to head no real threat we will see Vince.

Galileo Humpkins
02-16-2010, 09:47 AM
I was likened to a fourteen year old boy blogging about how he hates Coldplay when shredding last night's RAW into pieces. Apparently, some WWE fanboys have the intellectual capacity of a kumquat which indirectly explains why they would find amusement in any attempt the writer's make towards comedy.

As for competition, I don't hold much hope in TNA nor wrestling in general. While this appears to be legit attempt at triggering another boom period in the wrestling industry, I'm not convinced it's going to happen or at least to the extent it did in the late 90s'.

With the rise of popularity within MMA, I think wrestling [or "sports entertainment"] will gradually decrease in popularity as it has over the last decade. TNA is really the only company that is financially able to solidify themselves as the number two promotion in North America with hopes of becoming a legitimate threat. If they were to fail, I don't think you'll be seeing another promotion come along and endanger WWE's foundation in a looong time, if ever.

Brock
02-16-2010, 09:53 AM
There are zero compelling personalities in wrestling right now. And yeah, MMA.

The Bad Guy
02-16-2010, 09:56 AM
Bring back the old ECW, please, kthx.

The absolute greatest. There was nothing better than going to ECW house shows and going to the Viking Arena in South Philly.

Fruit Ninja
02-16-2010, 12:01 PM
why do poeple say MMA over Wrestling? they arent even remotely the same kind of event. lol Wrestling is a soap opera for males young and old. MMA is fighting for people wanting to see real fights.

I watch a little of TNA. I havent been able to watch RAW in a long ass time. I like what HOgan is doing. As long as he gives the younger guys a big push and throws them up against the old school fighters and dont let them old school fighters win to much, then it should do ok

I watched their PPV lastnight, it wasnt to bad. I liked how the nasty boys beat 3d because of Jimmy Hart. that was old school classic and made me smile from ear to ear. lol The mouth of the south. NEver thought i would see him again.

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 12:05 PM
Hmm let's see I'm ignorant because I'm stating how WWE has fallen off oh well guess u can't have an opinion.

If u thought the whole Jerry springer thing was funny good 4 u. Me on the other hand made me go this is a train wreck. Kali said it best a big waste. Of time. Sorry if u don't agree but in my mind it proves Vince is like I can do anything and these suckers will eat it up. So u r doing exactlly what he wants but if u r enjoying the way it is then keep watching. Me and the rest of the older guys out there want more and if hogan and bischoff can deliever then we will watch TNA you can watch WWE.

jwazzie
02-16-2010, 12:07 PM
I love wrestling (I shouldn't) but I it will never be like it was 10 years ago when I had to be home to watch it. One of my favorite wrestlers ever was Ahmed Johnson. He only lasted a couple of years (1994-1996?) and had a great feud with Gold dust. Why it worked backed then is because of the storytelling and not the sideshows.

P.S. Undertaker is my favorite, and i will stop watching it when he retires (hopefully soon)

Molitoth
02-16-2010, 12:13 PM
The Rock
Stone Cold
Goldberg (to some degree)
nWo
DX

These guys/groups made wrestling in the 90's and early 2000's

Once these guys left, WWE had no talent or marketable personalities to match them. I mean they had the older guys like Undertaker, Kane, Triple H, HBK, and so on. But nothing compared to the 3 above, esp Rock and Austin, those 2 took America by storm. Shit I still like the Rock, even though he's a shitty actor and his movies are crap not counting Walking Tall and The Rundown.

Even Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, John Cena aka the whitest mexican thug on the planet, are all junk characters.

That and MMA became absolutely HUGE in America. Add that to the fact that Pro wrestling is fake and MMA is real, then you lose a lot of fanbase, and Lesnar didn't help WWE too much by leaving for UFC.


I agree! The Rock (nation of domination), Stonecold, DegenerationX with Chyna, HBK, and The 1,2,3 Kid was awesome.

Mile High Mania
02-16-2010, 12:19 PM
I watched wrestling for years as a kid and off and on until I started having kids... I tune in now and then just to see what is happening. There are too many matches each week with the same wrestlers involved. Everything leads up to the next PPV and I get why they do it, but there's a lot of younger talent that is being ignored.

How many segments can they really burn with Cena, Orton and the other 'names' running their mouths before it gets old in one show?

I think the WWE has spread itself too thin with so much programming and the multiple 'brands'. I can't imagine there are too many people that watch each of the shows, sure they exist... but, that would have been more than I cared to handle back when I was a fan.

Raw, ECW (which really is the furthest thing from what it truly was) and Smackdown... those are the 3 'premium' brands with stars scattered across them. I think it's a failed bit and with no competition, why would they change.

If TNA can take this momentum and ride it hard against RAW, then you will see a mind shift in how they approach the brands. TNA has the one show, so focus all their 'names' and 'faces' hard and heavy early and often, sprinkling in the new guys. Then, over the course of 6 months, you begin to truly develop the younger wrestlers and you'll steal more away.

They have many lessons learned from the death of WCW, hopefully their egos won't allow them to make the same mistakes twice. It's funny to see the Nasty Boys, Scott Hall, etc back, but c'mon... they were done 10 years ago. They don't even try most of the time.

It will be interesting to see what happens, but you have as many big egos at TNA now as they have in WWE... there's no guarantee they'll do things right. But, their timing is great right now.

I became a WWE fan in the 80s when the other federations were swallowed up... I became a WCW fan in the 90s. There's a need for a strong #2 and TNA is in a hell of a position right now, hopefully they'll do things right.

OmahaChief
02-16-2010, 12:25 PM
As long as TNA does not just put over all the old guys they brought in and are actually gonig to push some young guys they should be OK. I hate the fact they are going to a square ring. I like the six sided ring, that was Hogan's idea to get ride of the one most identifiable image of TNA. Guys like Styles, Daniels, Pope, Hernandez, Amaxing Red and others have a ton of put they need to have the older guys put them over to make them. I hope they do this.

WWE is junk anymore. I can't even watch the majority of the show as the wrestling is terrible, the plots are worse and seeing the same 4 guys battle for the title for the majority of the last 4 years is lame.

ArrowheadHawk
02-16-2010, 12:27 PM
I loved wrestling when I was 12. I am a huge MMA fan now and while flipping through the channels I saw some wrestling. It was hilarious at how fake it was. Why do people pay good money to watch that garbage. I can see why if you have a son but otherwise I don't get it.

Mile High Mania
02-16-2010, 12:30 PM
I loved wrestling when I was 12. I am a huge MMA fan now and while flipping through the channels I saw some wrestling. It was hilarious at how fake it was. Why do people pay good money to watch that garbage. I can see why if you have a son but otherwise I don't get it.

I don't think the majority of people watch it or have watched it because they thought it was real... as a kid, sure I never believed my parents when they would say "You know, the Great Kabuki, the Von Erichs and Freebirds all go to dinner when the show is over."

But, I liked the "event" feel, you were watching a male soap opera essentially...

Dicky McElephant
02-16-2010, 12:49 PM
Wrestling went to shit when McMahon bought WCW and ECW.

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 12:49 PM
Mile high that's what i've been saying when Vince is challenged wwe will be great he's believing his own press. I mean every week they claim to be the top rated cable show blah blah. It's gonna take a major challenge from TNA but it will happen and then WWE will change for the better.

Galileo Humpkins
02-16-2010, 01:06 PM
why do poeple say MMA over Wrestling? they arent even remotely the same kind of event.

I think the connection is due to mixed martial arts appealing to the audience of wrestling fans that embrace the actual wrestling aspect of it as opposed to the storylines and hyperbolic plots. MMA has definitely "stole" an amount of wrestling fans, but it's certainly not significant enough for the WWE to panic.

Also, you have independent promotions trying to copy the mold of MMA by incorporating "worked fights" into the event. Which is essentially a more barbaric wrestling match with stiff kicks, slaps, etc. I don't comprehend the significance of faking an MMA fight, but it's becoming a trend in the smaller region of promotions. Gabe Sapolsky, former booker of Ring of Honor, is someone who has a fetish for those type of matches.

Wrestling went to shit when McMahon bought WCW and ECW.

Yep. Wrestling used to be cool when you were a teenager, but considering the state it's transitioned into over the last decade, it has become more of a chore than a hobby.

Mile High Mania
02-16-2010, 01:23 PM
Mile high that's what i've been saying when Vince is challenged wwe will be great he's believing his own press. I mean every week they claim to be the top rated cable show blah blah. It's gonna take a major challenge from TNA but it will happen and then WWE will change for the better.

Never forget that there were many that never thought WCW could make WWE/WWF nervous back in the day. Remember the early Monday Night wars and the whole "Raw is Taped" thing? WCW changed a lot of things, but ultimately Turner wrote a lot of mega million contracts and wasn't 100% as into being a Wrasslin' company as Vince.

Brock
02-16-2010, 01:26 PM
Hogan brought in Jimmy Hart and the Nasty Boys? Yeah, it's going to be WCW crap all over again.

Mile High Mania
02-16-2010, 01:29 PM
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Tango&Cash
02-16-2010, 01:32 PM
Never forget that there were many that never thought WCW could make WWE/WWF nervous back in the day. Remember the early Monday Night wars and the whole "Raw is Taped" thing? WCW changed a lot of things, but ultimately Turner wrote a lot of mega million contracts and wasn't 100% as into being a Wrasslin' company as Vince.

A good DVD to rent is the "Monday Night War"

Talks about Vince vs Eric Bischoff and the Monday Night TV ratings war Ted Turner and Vince McMahon used to have. Talks about the rise of the nWo, DX, how the Rock and Austin came to be what they're known today. WCW vs WWF etc and so on.

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 01:51 PM
Like I said earlier bischoff was brillant to say who was going to win the matches on raw that night. And to prove it signs Rick rude and while he is on raw with a beard he comes out clean shaven basically saying raw is tapped we are not. Like I said what I would have given to be in the room when Vince found this out. But as has been discussed this forced Vince to go live and improve the product. As I said he is denial that TNA is a threat but when they start really challenging him raw will get better.

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 02:01 PM
Vince got lazy and complacent and now it's gonna cost him for a while. He should of been agressive and signed styles, Joe, kaz, ey, abyss etc to contracts TNA couldn't have matched. He saw them as no threat now they are developing Vince screwed this up.

notorious
02-16-2010, 03:06 PM
Wrestling went to shit when McMahon bought WCW and ECW.

This.

The 4 years leading up to that were absolutely amazing.

Tango&Cash
02-16-2010, 03:10 PM
This.

The 4 years leading up to that were absolutely amazing.

Thats pretty much what i said in an earlier post. They got too big to manage. It got to the point where they had so many current stars they had to split them all up in leagues aka RAW and Smackdown. I remember when they first had that draft. They got to big to manage, got complacent because there wasn't another league out there for McMahon to compete with, they got lazy, wrestlers got old, storylines went to crap, no new talent/personalities that would mesh with the fans like Rock and Austin did. I mean during this time...how many times was Triple H the HW Champ? Almost like 95% of the time. I can only imagine how much backstage pull that guy had since he married into the family etc.

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 04:30 PM
Yep I agree he never saw tna as a threat as I said thought they were second rate his mistake.

chiefscafan
02-16-2010, 04:34 PM
Well unfortunately they had two guys but let them walk in angle and mr Kennedy or Anderson. He was getting heat and cheers like I said the anti hero but it wouldn't surprise me that hunter told Vince he shouldn't be pushed. Think about some of these young guys in TNA in WWE how much better would the talent be. And over with the fans.

BigMeatballDave
02-16-2010, 04:39 PM
Or, you could grow up and stop watching this juvenile shit.

Sofa King
02-16-2010, 04:52 PM
Or, you could grow up and stop watching this juvenile shit.


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blazzin311
02-16-2010, 05:57 PM
The Rock
Stone Cold
Goldberg (to some degree)
nWo
DX

These guys/groups made wrestling in the 90's and early 2000's

Once these guys left, WWE had no talent or marketable personalities to match them. I mean they had the older guys like Undertaker, Kane, Triple H, HBK, and so on. But nothing compared to the 3 above, esp Rock and Austin, those 2 took America by storm. Shit I still like the Rock, even though he's a shitty actor and his movies are crap not counting Walking Tall and The Rundown.

Even Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, John Cena aka the whitest mexican thug on the planet, are all junk characters.

That and MMA became absolutely HUGE in America. Add that to the fact that Pro wrestling is fake and MMA is real, then you lose a lot of fanbase, and Lesnar didn't help WWE too much by leaving for UFC.

I agree with your post 100%... and to be honest I haven't watched wrestling in years. Couldn't even begin to tell you any of the current wrestlers or storylines for that matter...when I was younger of course...I watched all the time. I think we all did for a period or so. For me/ my generation you are correct...the glory days were certainly topped by The Rock, and Stone Cold. Stone Cold being my fav. of the bunch. I will disagree with your remark of throwing Kurt Angle in the junk character mold...maybe his character is a bit "junk" but damn he's one hell of a wrestler. That guy is tremendous. I like you mentioned, started watching mma years ago about the same time I quit watching wrestling and haven't really looked back since. From time to time I'll actually be watching mma and thinking to myself if it were years ago and Kurt Angle was a bit younger, he'd make a hell of an mma fighter I do believe...maybe that's just my opinion though. But most wrestlers, or fighters with a wrestling base rather do quite well in mma. I'm thinking Angle would have been no different.

TrickyNicky
02-16-2010, 06:23 PM
Also, you have independent promotions trying to copy the mold of MMA by incorporating "worked fights" into the event. Which is essentially a more barbaric wrestling match with stiff kicks, slaps, etc. I don't comprehend the significance of faking an MMA fight, but it's becoming a trend in the smaller region of promotions. Gabe Sapolsky, former booker of Ring of Honor, is someone who has a fetish for those type of matches.


They aren't faking an MMA fight, they are working a Japanese style match. MMA was birthed by Japanese Puro.

theultimatekcchiefsfan
02-16-2010, 10:19 PM
RAW has stunk for quite a while now. The whole guest host thing has totally blown up into a whole pile of shit.And though I had hi hopes for the Hogan/Bishoff thing with TNA, I am quite disapointed as of right now.


They have some of the worst acting and story lines around. AJ Styles and Rick Flair is the only interesting segment as of the moment. Lets hope they get this ship righted. Wrestling is in the worst shape that I can remember for quite a while.

I have always considerd these shows just "Soap Operas for Men". The actual matches are ususally secondary to the stories. Right now they both stink.:huh:

Fruit Ninja
02-16-2010, 10:31 PM
Or, you could grow up and stop watching this juvenile shit.

Im not a big wrestling fan anymore, but it has nothing to do with me getting older. I watch it from time to time. Why is it that when you get older you have to all of a sudden stop liking things you did when you were younger?

I was told by a friend, your still video gaming. I told his ass fuck yes. I wont stop gaming until the doctors tell me no more gaming old man. lol If its fun and i enjoy it, FUCK what they say.

SnakeXJones
02-17-2010, 12:26 AM
RAW has stunk for quite a while now. The whole guest host thing has totally blown up into a whole pile of shit.And though I had hi hopes for the Hogan/Bishoff thing with TNA, I am quite disapointed as of right now.


They have some of the worst acting and story lines around. AJ Styles and Rick Flair is the only interesting segment as of the moment. Lets hope they get this ship righted. Wrestling is in the worst shape that I can remember for quite a while.

I have always considerd these shows just "Soap Operas for Men". The actual matches are ususally secondary to the stories. Right now they both stink.:huh:

I would it say it's a improvement how wrestling is now then couple years ago when wwe was trying to make "The Great Khali" into a main eventer that was just an embarrassment other than i watch it once in awhile it' still f'n sucks

Reaper16
02-17-2010, 12:34 AM
BTW -- WWE's newfangled ECW is dead. The very last episode was taped tonight at the Sprint Center in KC.

Mecca
02-17-2010, 12:54 AM
Just so you know TNA isn't viewed as a threat because it's not a threat, you can go to the Impact Zone for free, they make marginal money on their PPV's they still draw about a 1 in ratings.

RustShack
02-17-2010, 01:08 AM
Maybe they should bring back Stone Cold.

SnakeXJones
02-17-2010, 01:10 AM
Just so you know TNA isn't viewed as a threat because it's not a threat, you can go to the Impact Zone for free, they make marginal money on their PPV's they still draw about a 1 in ratings. tna is pretty much where wcw was in 93-94 staying at one small ass venue for their tapings they just look very amateurish with that venue and storylines already. I mean how big is that venue anyway?

Mecca
02-17-2010, 01:12 AM
tna is pretty much where wcw was in 93-94 staying at one small ass venue for their tapings

They're not even to that level, apparently the wrestlers that went to TNA then came back to the WWE get asked by fans "so what have you been doing for the last few years?"

TNA isn't even on the radar to a huge chunk of people.

RustShack
02-17-2010, 01:13 AM
Is TNA even on TV at all?

Mecca
02-17-2010, 01:14 AM
Is TNA even on TV at all?

It's on Spike TV, just no one seems to notice.

RustShack
02-17-2010, 01:15 AM
Shit last I knew WWF was on Spike after switching from USA.

Mecca
02-17-2010, 01:16 AM
WWE has been back on USA for years now.

SnakeXJones
02-17-2010, 01:19 AM
They're not even to that level, apparently the wrestlers that went to TNA then came back to the WWE get asked by fans "so what have you been doing for the last few years?"

TNA isn't even on the radar to a huge chunk of people.

LMAO sad but true

Mecca
02-17-2010, 01:22 AM
And for the record, no matter how many indy fans or hardcore smarks like Samoa Joe, to casual fan he's a fat guy that looks like he manages Sam Goody.

SnakeXJones
02-17-2010, 01:34 AM
The hogan debut on tna impact is probably the only fully impact i ever got through but i dont remember how many times i shook my head in disgrace when the opening match asylum cage match or wth it's called that was a pos

Crush
02-17-2010, 06:59 AM
I think TNA or WWE needs some.... ULTIMATE WARRIOR!!!!


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Mile High Mania
02-17-2010, 09:45 AM
And for the record, no matter how many indy fans or hardcore smarks like Samoa Joe, to casual fan he's a fat guy that looks like he manages Sam Goody.

Yeah, the guy really has nothing...

TNA has good upside, people know about it... they may not be watching, but I would guess that interest has picked up quite a bit since this new change. They're doing things that make the people that liked WCW become more interested and I think it's smart as long as they begin to work up the right young talent. Don't ride these old names for too long...

There is a familiar feel with TNA and the old WCW... it's a smart move, essentially the only one that they could make right now.

Ceej
02-17-2010, 09:50 AM
The absolute greatest. There was nothing better than going to ECW house shows and going to the Viking Arena in South Philly.

They actually came to Century 2 (yeah, I know, wtf?) in Wichita twice. Attended both shows and they were very entertaining.

Mile High Mania
02-17-2010, 09:59 AM
It looks like RAW has been averaging between 5 to 5.5 million viewers on Monday Nights recently. TNA did their first Monday night deal a few weeks ago with the Hogan debut and they drew about 2.2 million viewers, which was about a 700,000-800,000 viewership increase over what they normally pull in on a Thursday night.

So, there was definitely an initial excitement and buzz created... if they can build on it right, WWE will have a nice challenge on their hands. It's all about finding the next stars of the sport to ride... WCW always had Sting, the icon for that franchise. Sting (and other icons) are still there and they can ride the trip down memory lane for a short while, but they definitely need some charismatic young talents to step it up.

They have a lot of upside.

58kcfan89
02-17-2010, 12:05 PM
You guys are watching the wrong show. Smackdown's much better than Raw, with guys like Chris Jericho, CM Punk, Edge and to a lesser extent Undertaker doing a great job of carrying the show.

I just finished watching the Springer Raw from this week and I had to skip like half the show because it was replays of things that happened earlier in the show or a "preview" of the PPV this Sunday (that I'll probably stream online and not pay for). The Bret "injury" segment was beyond terrible, as was the Springer segment (although Kelly's hot...), and the Cena-Batista thing is pretty bad, too.

And Sheamus (lol @ him being WWE Champion) beating up HHH & Cena after the main event got almost no heat from the crowd. The announcers were trying to act all shocked that he just beat them up, but most of the crowd couldn't care less. He has to lose the title this Sunday, because he's an awful champion.

There's a lot of cool/good storylines they can develop leading into WrestleMania, but they didn't do a goo job of it at all this past Monday.

I'm a pretty big wresting fan (I watch MMA fairly often, too) and am all for a good wrestling show, but it's not Raw right now. I'll have to get on TNA, it can't be any worse than last week's Raw.... God, I hope not at least...

Mile High Mania
02-17-2010, 01:17 PM
You guys are watching the wrong show. Smackdown's much better than Raw, with guys like Chris Jericho, CM Punk, Edge and to a lesser extent Undertaker doing a great job of carrying the show.

I just finished watching the Springer Raw from this week and I had to skip like half the show because it was replays of things that happened earlier in the show or a "preview" of the PPV this Sunday (that I'll probably stream online and not pay for). The Bret "injury" segment was beyond terrible, as was the Springer segment (although Kelly's hot...), and the Cena-Batista thing is pretty bad, too.

And Sheamus (lol @ him being WWE Champion) beating up HHH & Cena after the main event got almost no heat from the crowd. The announcers were trying to act all shocked that he just beat them up, but most of the crowd couldn't care less. He has to lose the title this Sunday, because he's an awful champion.

There's a lot of cool/good storylines they can develop leading into WrestleMania, but they didn't do a goo job of it at all this past Monday.

I'm a pretty big wresting fan (I watch MMA fairly often, too) and am all for a good wrestling show, but it's not Raw right now. I'll have to get on TNA, it can't be any worse than last week's Raw.... God, I hope not at least...

This is why I think the WWE has watered down it's offering by being spread too thin across the different programming. I don't carve out time to watch any of it anymore, mainly because I have kids and many other things requiring my time now.

But, if it were 10-15 years ago... there's no way I would devote several hours for 3 nights a week to watch wrasslin. That's why the WCW/WWE rivalry was so good. You had 2 offerings at the same time and you could flip between the shows.

chiefscafan
02-17-2010, 03:09 PM
Raw could be saved as I said turn orton into the anti hero ala Austin. Even use the anti cena fans by basically having orton say u need the fans to feel good bout yourself I on the other hand just need to take people out and they shout my name( like rock use to) then the anti cena people will shout his name. Then you let cena play more to the crowd and as he does Randy rkos him picks up the mic and says cena I take people out. And do the orton pose.

I'm telling u guys the crowd wants to cheer like they did Austin, but they aren't sure If they should. Let them and use orton as an anti hero at least that's what I would do. That way he isn't a baby face but is like Austin, rock or the NWO In early days bad a$$ SOBs who take the boring babyfaces out.