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Taco John
02-17-2010, 11:44 PM
Clinton Plotting Tea Party Counterattack
by Capitol Confidential

http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/02/17/clinton-plotting-tea-party-counterattack/

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Last week, former President Clinton was rushed to the hospital in New York for an emergency heart operation. Medical experts said the procedure was “relatively routine” and predicted Clinton would make a full recovery and be back to his regular schedule soon. To the public, at least, that schedule revolves chiefly around earthquake relief efforts in Haiti. In fact, some Clinton associates cited the work in Haiti as exacerbating his heart condition. Clinton money man, Terry MacAuliffe, even noted that Clinton’s Haiti work continued right up until the operation:

Democrat colleague Terry McAuliffe said Mr Clinton had participated in a conference call on earthquake relief efforts as he was wheeled into the operating theatre.

We’ll take Terry’s word on that. But, Big Government has learned of at least one other conference call/meeting around this time. A meeting of former Clintonistas and senior Democrat political operatives to coordinate a push-back to the burgeoning tea party movement. Consider it a Democrat party relief effort.

When tea party, 9/12 and townhall protests and rallies first erupted on the national scene, they were derided by national politicos as astroturf or a small fringe movement. Lefty journalists at MSNBC, CNN and elsewhere laughed away the movement with derogatory, pornographic references.

Then, Scott Brown won election to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts. No one is laughing anymore. In fact, Democrats are facing political annihilation this November. Not only do Democrats face the possibility of losing their congressional majorities, massive losses in state house races could jeopardize redistricting next year and set back the progressive agenda for at least a decade.

So, the Clinton Empire is planning to strike back.

Big Government has learned that Clintonistas are plotting a “push/pull” strategy. They plan to identify 7-8 national figures active in the tea party movement and engage in deep opposition research on them. If possible, they will identify one or two they can perhaps ‘turn’, either with money or threats, to create a mole in the movement. The others will be subjected to a full-on smear campaign. (Has MSNBC already been notified?)

Big Government has also learned that James Carville will head up the effort.

Obviously, there is no love lost between Obama and the Clinton machine. It may at first seem odd that Clinton would rush to Obama’s defense, but the tea party movement poses a threat far beyond the immediate goals of the Obama Administration.

The tea party movement could evolve into a new political realignment, one founded on a belief in limited government and less government interference in the economy. The Progressive agenda, which has been painstakingly built up over the last three decades, could be left in tatters.

As the Clinton’s know, “politics ain’t beanbag.” Expect the counterattack soon. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.

http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/02/17/clinton-plotting-tea-party-counterattack/

NewChief
02-18-2010, 05:29 AM
Heh. My lobbyist father-in-law was in town and at our house last night for my son's birthday dinner. He asked if I saw Hillary on TV the day before. Said her hair was looking really good and that she looked like she'd had some kind of makeover (then he joked that maybe she's rejuvenated by Bill being in the hospital). My first inclination was that they must be planning a power move.

Norman Einstein
02-18-2010, 05:51 AM
How many ex-presidents have remained as active in politics after office as Bill Clinton? In my lifetime I can't think of any that felt the need to keep their finger involved like Clinton has.

He needs to sit back and be a private citizen and enjoy his retirement. Maybe he needs to go find Monica again.

blaise
02-18-2010, 05:55 AM
How many ex-presidents have remained as active in politics after office as Bill Clinton? In my lifetime I can't think of any that felt the need to keep their finger involved like Clinton has.

He needs to sit back and be a private citizen and enjoy his retirement. Maybe he needs to go find Monica again.

Jimmy Carter has flapped his trap quite a bit.

Norman Einstein
02-18-2010, 06:12 AM
Jimmy Carter has flapped his trap quite a bit.

That's of late, I don't remember him being as active as Clinton was immediately after leaving office and surely not as much as Clinton is now. In my opinion Clinton(s) have a power trip going and there may be more of an issue with them being back in the White House than anyone in history, even a second term with obot.

Mile High Mania
02-18-2010, 07:09 AM
Clinton was still incredibly young after his 8 years in office... think about it, he's 63 now and left office in 2001. There are some people that can't 'be still', he's one of them.

HonestChieffan
02-18-2010, 07:25 AM
Imagine how many years of community activism we have to endure from the big O

fan4ever
02-18-2010, 08:14 AM
Imagine how many years of community activism we have to endure from the big O

No kidding...30+ years? With his narcissism? Dear Lord.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 08:15 AM
How many ex-presidents have remained as active in politics after office as Bill Clinton? In my lifetime I can't think of any that felt the need to keep their finger involved like Clinton has.

He needs to sit back and be a private citizen and enjoy his retirement. Maybe he needs to go find Monica again.

Howie Taft became Chief Justice of the United States.

Teddy Roosevelt decided to run for president again.

Jimmy Carter won a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in the Middle East.

Herbert Hoover was pretty active after losing to FDR.

Eisenhower spoke at the 1964 Republican Convention and endorsed Goldwater.

Norman Einstein
02-18-2010, 08:21 AM
Howie Taft became Chief Justice of the United States.

Teddy Roosevelt decided to run for president again.

Jimmy Carter won a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in the Middle East.

Herbert Hoover was pretty active after losing to FDR.

Eisenhower spoke at the 1964 Republican Convention and endorsed Goldwater.

Maybe it's just the media that ensures that Clinton is in the spotlight.
#1 Bill Clinton will not be running for president again.
#2 Bill Clinton has not won a peace prize for anything he did in office nor will he.
#3 Herbert Hoover? Pretty active? Doing what? Need anything else be said?
#4 Ike spoke one time at the convention, there is nothing amazing about that. How often was he out stumping for anything else?

Like I said, it could be that Clinton is a media sweetheart, but he needs to be put to pasture, he's not needed. Hillary should go with him, she should really be at home in a pasture.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 08:26 AM
Maybe it's just the media that ensures that Clinton is in the spotlight.
#1 Bill Clinton will not be running for president again.
#2 Bill Clinton has not won a peace prize for anything he did in office nor will he.
#3 Herbert Hoover? Pretty active? Doing what? Need anything else be said?
#4 Ike spoke one time at the convention, there is nothing amazing about that. How often was he out stumping for anything else?

Like I said, it could be that Clinton is a media sweetheart, but he needs to be put to pasture, he's not needed. Hillary should go with him, she should really be at home in a pasture.

Hoover contemplated and was a decent possible nomination for the Republicans. He spoke publicly about America's role in WWII before and after Pearl Harbor.

Of course, after WWII, Hoover was sent by Truman to go to Germany and assess the situation.

Your first two points, mere speculation, aren't important because they don't pertain to your question.

BucEyedPea
02-18-2010, 08:27 AM
Howie Taft became Chief Justice of the United States.

Teddy Roosevelt decided to run for president again.

Jimmy Carter won a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in the Middle East.

Herbert Hoover was pretty active after losing to FDR.

Eisenhower spoke at the 1964 Republican Convention and endorsed Goldwater.

Carter winning a peace prize isn't exactly the opposition politics that the Clinton's engage in. He's a humanitarian on such things. Nor is Ike speaking at a GOP Convention. Those are pretty routine. TR was a power pig like the Clintons.

BucEyedPea
02-18-2010, 08:29 AM
Clinton Plotting Tea Party Counterattack
by Capitol Confidential

http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/02/17/clinton-plotting-tea-party-counterattack/

bill-clinton-3-08

Last week, former President Clinton was rushed to the hospital in New York for an emergency heart operation. Medical experts said the procedure was “relatively routine” and predicted Clinton would make a full recovery and be back to his regular schedule soon. To the public, at least, that schedule revolves chiefly around earthquake relief efforts in Haiti. In fact, some Clinton associates cited the work in Haiti as exacerbating his heart condition. Clinton money man, Terry MacAuliffe, even noted that Clinton’s Haiti work continued right up until the operation:

Democrat colleague Terry McAuliffe said Mr Clinton had participated in a conference call on earthquake relief efforts as he was wheeled into the operating theatre.

We’ll take Terry’s word on that. But, Big Government has learned of at least one other conference call/meeting around this time. A meeting of former Clintonistas and senior Democrat political operatives to coordinate a push-back to the burgeoning tea party movement. Consider it a Democrat party relief effort.

When tea party, 9/12 and townhall protests and rallies first erupted on the national scene, they were derided by national politicos as astroturf or a small fringe movement. Lefty journalists at MSNBC, CNN and elsewhere laughed away the movement with derogatory, pornographic references.

Then, Scott Brown won election to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts. No one is laughing anymore. In fact, Democrats are facing political annihilation this November. Not only do Democrats face the possibility of losing their congressional majorities, massive losses in state house races could jeopardize redistricting next year and set back the progressive agenda for at least a decade.

So, the Clinton Empire is planning to strike back.

Big Government has learned that Clintonistas are plotting a “push/pull” strategy. They plan to identify 7-8 national figures active in the tea party movement and engage in deep opposition research on them. If possible, they will identify one or two they can perhaps ‘turn’, either with money or threats, to create a mole in the movement. The others will be subjected to a full-on smear campaign. (Has MSNBC already been notified?)

Big Government has also learned that James Carville will head up the effort.

Obviously, there is no love lost between Obama and the Clinton machine. It may at first seem odd that Clinton would rush to Obama’s defense, but the tea party movement poses a threat far beyond the immediate goals of the Obama Administration.

The tea party movement could evolve into a new political realignment, one founded on a belief in limited government and less government interference in the economy. The Progressive agenda, which has been painstakingly built up over the last three decades, could be left in tatters.

As the Clinton’s know, “politics ain’t beanbag.” Expect the counterattack soon. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.

http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/02/17/clinton-plotting-tea-party-counterattack/

Wow, politics is really nasty and dirty. So they're gonna use plants to smear and attack because they have no good counter arguments. I think the Tea Partiers should do the same. It's a war taking the country back....in a war you need intel.

wild1
02-18-2010, 08:45 AM
Clintonistas are plotting a “push/pull” strategy. They plan to identify 7-8 national figures active in the tea party movement and engage in deep opposition research on them. If possible, they will identify one or two they can perhaps ‘turn’, either with money or threats, to create a mole in the movement. The others will be subjected to a full-on smear campaign. (Has MSNBC already been notified?)

How is this different than serving up elections Chicago-style?

morphius
02-18-2010, 09:05 AM
Oh, that's what we all need, more Carville. I seriously wonder how much lube the guy goes through; having Bill shove his hand up his ass and using him like a puppet all the time.

Garcia Bronco
02-18-2010, 09:34 AM
There is nothing Clinton can do to persuade me that bigger governemnt is better. In fact, I'd be willing to fight him in a bare-knuckle boxing match over it.

Here's the thing you need to remember about Bill Clinton. He cheats on his wife. If he'll lie to her then he'll certainly lie to you. The other thing you have to remember about Bill Clinton is he signed the bill into law that was the biggest catalyst for the current recession.

mlyonsd
02-18-2010, 09:37 AM
If Clinton sounds the same towards the tea party movement as he did about Starr he'll just come off as a big a** whiner like he did yestarday.

RINGLEADER
02-18-2010, 10:14 AM
The real threat from this movement is it gives independents a place to vote 65-35 with Republicans against big government. If the trend we've seen in recent elections in NJ, VA, and MA holds up it will be impossible for Dems to win anywhere their party ID isn't >45% of the voting public.

wild1
02-18-2010, 10:50 AM
The real threat from this movement is it gives independents a place to vote 65-35 with Republicans against big government. If the trend we've seen in recent elections in NJ, VA, and MA holds up it will be impossible for Dems to win anywhere their party ID isn't >45% of the voting public.

exactly. that's why the media and the Party will be mobilizing to try to take the narrative on this movement as soon and with as much force as possible.


I think we'll also see, as the election draws near - to go along with distancing themselves from the DNC, Democratic candidates will make some superficial appeals to this voting block. They'll propose some token spending cuts in a few inconsequential areas and try to sound like fiscal conservatives to keep themselves off the chopping block.

BucEyedPea
02-18-2010, 11:22 AM
I'd love to see the GOP split in two taking most Independents with them possibly even some progressives on the FP issues. Then we could run both parties out of town.

wild1
02-18-2010, 11:28 AM
I'd love to see the GOP split in two taking most Independents with them possibly even some progressives on the FP issues. Then we could run both parties out of town.

I heard that's what Ronald Reagan advocated.

BucEyedPea
02-18-2010, 11:38 AM
I heard that's what Ronald Reagan advocated.

I'll let you know once I complete his autobiography which I am reading now.

That will also include how much a peacemaker he really was which was his goal ESPECIALLY in the ME, how he dealt with the NeoCons in his administration, how he criticized Israel behind the scenes including getting angry at them for bombing Iraq's reactor and how Ron Paul's quote on these things is not a fabrication nor out of context ( that would only be true if one doesn't know what words like "yet" and "still" mean to flush out the context accurately which shows he changed his mind on some things.) But that's all for later....when I finish.

Ideas for thread titles are being worked out too: Reagan the Peace Maker, Reagan the NeoCon Fighter....hmmmmm lots of possibilities there.

Later....

Norman Einstein
02-18-2010, 12:07 PM
Hoover contemplated and was a decent possible nomination for the Republicans. He spoke publicly about America's role in WWII before and after Pearl Harbor.

Of course, after WWII, Hoover was sent by Truman to go to Germany and assess the situation.

Your first two points, mere speculation, aren't important because they don't pertain to your question.

In all actuality your points, all 4 of them, are out of context so lets discuss what isn't important. YOUR POV, for instance.

RINGLEADER
02-18-2010, 12:16 PM
exactly. that's why the media and the Party will be mobilizing to try to take the narrative on this movement as soon and with as much force as possible.

I think we'll also see, as the election draws near - to go along with distancing themselves from the DNC, Democratic candidates will make some superficial appeals to this voting block. They'll propose some token spending cuts in a few inconsequential areas and try to sound like fiscal conservatives to keep themselves off the chopping block.


You mean like Obama's promise to "freeze discretionary spending after I raised it to unprecedented and unsustainable levels just the year before?"

These people are liars and people aren't believing them anymore. That is the nail in a politician's coffin. And Obama is just so cavalier about it -- he guts NASA then goes on camara about how he's a staunch supporter. He says he won't sign a health care bill that doesn't do x, y, and z, then fights to do just that. He claims he's open to other ideas then just ignores them if they don't include what he wants.

His right, of course, but he's completely delusional at this point.