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Silock
02-18-2010, 11:03 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

Looks intentional so far. Right next to the Austin FBI building.

JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:08 AM
It was a small plane, that's all they know. It IS right by the airport, I think, so it's hard to say right now if this is terrorism or simply an accident, although it looks like an awful lot of damage for a small plane unless the small plane was carrying explosives or flammables...

Donger
02-18-2010, 11:10 AM
If the building free-falls, we'll know that it was an 'inside job.'

doomy3
02-18-2010, 11:10 AM
Uh-oh.

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:11 AM
How the fuck did a "small plane" do all that damage?

JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:11 AM
Is it just me, or does this official look and sound like an old Peyton Manning?

JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:11 AM
How the **** did a "small plane" do all that damage?

My question exactly.

Donger
02-18-2010, 11:11 AM
How the **** did a "small plane" do all that damage?

Explosives planted in the building by "them," obviously.

JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:12 AM
Explosives planted in the building by "them," obviously.

Which "them"? "Them" the terrorists, or "them" the U.S. Government which is secretly responsible for 9/11, Kennedy's assassination, and Area 51? :::running for the tinfoil hat:::

CoMoChief
02-18-2010, 11:13 AM
If the building free-falls, we'll know that it was an 'inside job.'

Here we go!

blaise
02-18-2010, 11:13 AM
How the **** did a "small plane" do all that damage?

I wonder if they mean a small jet or a prop plane. How much fuel does a private jet carry?

Frazod
02-18-2010, 11:14 AM
I think we'll need both a politard and non-politard version of this thread.

Sofa King
02-18-2010, 11:14 AM
They just said "building".... any idea what bldg it was?

Delano
02-18-2010, 11:15 AM
Doesn't look like extreme damage to me, considering a plane just hit the building.

Windows broken of course - and the damage from firefighters working to control a very hot fire.
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JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:16 AM
Brilliant caption. "Crash witness: plane was flying unusually low just before crash". O RLY?

Donger
02-18-2010, 11:16 AM
Piper Cherokee. Apparently hit a Lexus before hitting the building.

Frazod
02-18-2010, 11:18 AM
Piper Cherokee. Apparently hit a Lexus before hitting the building.

I hope the yuppie inside survived the crash.

CoMoChief
02-18-2010, 11:18 AM
LOL at one comments below the story.

"At least Colt McCoy is Ok."

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:18 AM
I think we'll need both a politard and non-politard version of this thread.

This.

blaise
02-18-2010, 11:19 AM
Piper Cherokee. Apparently hit a Lexus before hitting the building.

Apparently the Lexus's gas pedal stuck and the vehicle also hit the building, where it then exploded.

Donger
02-18-2010, 11:20 AM
I hope the yuppie inside survived the crash.

The Lexus may have suffered software-induced autonomous and unintentional rapid acceleration syndrome and launched into the air, striking the plane.

Developing.

blaise
02-18-2010, 11:20 AM
Amber lamps are on the scene.

JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:20 AM
Apparently the Lexus's gas pedal stuck and the vehicle also hit the building, where it then exploded.

You beat me to it, I was gonna ask if the plane had a Toyota-made gas assembly.

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:20 AM
Amber lamps are on the scene.

LMAO

Bearcat
02-18-2010, 11:21 AM
Brilliant caption. "Crash witness: plane was flying unusually low just before crash". O RLY?

It was like it dropped out of the sky or something...

Sofa King
02-18-2010, 11:22 AM
Amber lamps are on the scene.

ROFL

L.A. Chieffan
02-18-2010, 11:23 AM
my friend in austin says some guy burned down his house and crashes into the IRS building.
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L.A. Chieffan
02-18-2010, 11:23 AM
intentional
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L.A. Chieffan
02-18-2010, 11:24 AM
probably some disgruntled teabagger
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Radar Chief
02-18-2010, 11:24 AM
How the **** did a "small plane" do all that damage?

It couldn’t have. And where exactly is the plane? There should be pieces of it scattered around the scene.
Sure evidence of a missile strike.

RJ
02-18-2010, 11:25 AM
Piper Cherokee. Apparently hit a Lexus before hitting the building.


The terrorists hate us for our luxury vehicles.

L.A. Chieffan
02-18-2010, 11:27 AM
They just said "building".... any idea what bldg it was?

IRS building according to my austin friend
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Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:27 AM
The Jews did it
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Pitt Gorilla
02-18-2010, 11:27 AM
Which "them"? "Them" the terrorists, or "them" the U.S. Government which is secretly responsible for 9/11, Kennedy's assassination, and Area 51? :::running for the tinfoil hat:::The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up.

JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:27 AM
The terrorists hate us for our luxury vehicles.

WAIT A MINUTE.... Lexus IS a Toyota brand.

Reerun_KC
02-18-2010, 11:27 AM
I am pretty sure is GW Bush's Fault... /New Orleans

CoMoChief
02-18-2010, 11:28 AM
IRS building according to my austin friend
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I guess someone is behind on their taxes.

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:28 AM
IRS building according to my austin friend
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If I heard correctly, the IRS has some space in that building, it's not specifically an IRS building.

Frazod
02-18-2010, 11:29 AM
If I heard correctly, the IRS has some space in that building, it's not specifically an IRS building.

I'm guessing it housed the branch office that was boning him up the ass, though.

You want to take my plane? Well, here it is.

Brock
02-18-2010, 11:29 AM
Oh, IRS. Okay, then.

Donger
02-18-2010, 11:29 AM
The Internal Revenue Service has offices in the building, including its civil enforcement and criminal investigations divisions, said Special Agent Michael Lemoine, a spokesman for the criminal investigations division.

He said that some IRS offices are on the first floor, which Lemoine said was hit by the plane.

He said that the criminal investigations division personnel are safe and accounted for. He did not have information on the civil division workers, who conduct audits and other activity at the offices
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According to an FBI agent who asked not to be identified because he isn’t authorized to release information, the incident is being investigated as an accident, although eyewitnesses said the plane seemed to come in at full throttle. He said the plane was out of Waco and that Federal Aviation Administration officials are en route to the scene.

The agent said it was believed the plane had come from Waco, and that witnesses said it had hit the building at full-throttle.

FBI sources said that the eyewitness accounts saying that the plane did not slow down is making some authorities wonder if it was an intentional act.

FBI spokesman Bill Carter said the building hit by a plane at the Echelon office complex did not contain an FBI office. While the FBI has an office at the complex, the plane did not crash into that particular building, Carter said.

William Winnie, an Internal Revenue Service agent, said he was in a training session on the third floor of the building when he saw a light-colored, single engine plane coming at the building.

“It looked like it was coming right in my window,” Winnie said. He said the plane veered down and to the left and crashed into the floors below. “I didn’t lose my footing, but it was enough to knock people who were sitting to the floor.”

The building mostly houses IRS offices, said Kathi Hall, with KVSA Asset Management, which manages the property.

Sofa King
02-18-2010, 11:29 AM
I guess someone was behind on their taxes.

FYP

DMAC
02-18-2010, 11:31 AM
It couldn’t have. And where exactly is the plane? There should be pieces of it scattered around the scene.
Sure evidence of a missile strike.

MISSILE STRIKE MISSILE STRIKE grob

JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:31 AM
So what were they aiming for? The FBI? The IRS? The Lexus?

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:32 AM
What the difference between this plane and the Minnesota Vikings? The Vikings made it past Dallas.
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Blindside58
02-18-2010, 11:32 AM
The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up.

Head! Pants! Now!

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OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:32 AM
Was that a house on fire on CNN?

Frazod
02-18-2010, 11:33 AM
What the difference between this plane and the Minnesota Vikings? The Vikings made it past Dallas.
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ROFL

I'm going to hell now. Thanks a lot!

JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:33 AM
my friend in austin says some guy burned down his house and crashes into the IRS building.
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Curiouser and curiouser, 'cause they just cut to a local news anchor who was at the scene of a house fire.

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:33 AM
What the difference between this plane and the Minnesota Vikings? The Vikings made it past Dallas.
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Geography fail.

gblowfish
02-18-2010, 11:34 AM
Somebody took last night's basketball loss hard.

Radar Chief
02-18-2010, 11:34 AM
The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up.

Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 11:34 AM
MSNBC is saying the guy set his house on fire before crashing into the building.

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:34 AM
Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

LMAO

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:35 AM
MSNBC is saying the guy set his house on fire before crashing into the building.

CNN is way behind.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:36 AM
Isn't that Inatech?
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Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 11:37 AM
MSNBC was also reporting a flight carry 194 passangers had to land because of a bomb threat.

This all makes me a bit nervous since my father works at the IRS building downtown.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:37 AM
This messes up Hawaiian shirt day tomorrow
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OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:37 AM
Pilot set house on fire, stole plane, intentional crash.

CNN.

Pitt Gorilla
02-18-2010, 11:37 AM
MSNBC is saying the guy set his house on fire before crashing into the building.Fox News reported that the guy is a Muslin and was recently seen "palling aroun'" with Obama. Developing...

doomy3
02-18-2010, 11:38 AM
How the hell does someone STEAL an airplane, and then fly it into a building, after setting his own house on fire?

JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:38 AM
Hey, CNN.... you got scooped by f**king ChiefsPlanet. Bitches.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:39 AM
Mecca had advised against this.
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Donger
02-18-2010, 11:39 AM
How the hell does someone STEAL an airplane, and then fly it into a building, after setting his own house on fire?

Easier than stealing an airplane, crashing it into a building and THEN setting his house on fire, I'd imagine.

Sofa King
02-18-2010, 11:40 AM
Pilot set house on fire, stole plane, intentional crash.

CNN.

i need to read slower... i thought you said Pioli... not pilot...

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:40 AM
I'm going to stop saying "Matt Cassel couldn't hit the side of a building with an airplane"
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OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:40 AM
Isn't that Inatech?
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Holy shit.

The guy is a software engineer.

JD10367
02-18-2010, 11:41 AM
i need to read slower... i thought you said Pioli... not pilot...

I thought the same thing. I was gonna post, "You f**king guys blame EVERYTHING on Pioli!!!1!11"

Frazod
02-18-2010, 11:41 AM
He stole the plane? Great. Now the government will have to add an extra trillion dollars to the budget for security around every single airplane in the country.

DMAC
02-18-2010, 11:41 AM
Weird...there was a bomb scare in Branson last night. Someone left a package by an ATM.

It has to be connected. Branson is important too.

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/84700862.html

Dicky McElephant
02-18-2010, 11:41 AM
Hey, CNN.... you got scooped by f**king ChiefsPlanet. Bitches.

Hey CNN....how's our ass taste!?

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:41 AM
This has aroused Jim Nantz sexually. Young boys, run!!
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Sofa King
02-18-2010, 11:42 AM
He stole the plane? Great. Now the government will have to add an extra trillion dollars to the budget for security around every single airplane in the country.

this is truth....

Donger
02-18-2010, 11:42 AM
Hey CNN....how's our ass taste!?

I nominate Simply Red's ass. It is without question the least stinky.

Reerun_KC
02-18-2010, 11:43 AM
He stole the plane? Great. Now the government will have to add an extra trillion dollars to the budget for security around every single airplane in the country.

Welcome to two years ago Frazod....

Those funds have been dispersed for 2 years now to smaller airports...

doomy3
02-18-2010, 11:43 AM
Easier than stealing an airplane, crashing it into a building and THEN setting his house on fire, I'd imagine.

Touche'.

Frazod
02-18-2010, 11:44 AM
Welcome to two years ago Frazod....

Those funds have been dispersed for 2 years now to smaller airports...

Well, I'm sure they'll be wanting more now.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:44 AM
Some guy in a body cast will say "You see, if you work hard good things can happen to you too"
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OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:44 AM
He stole the plane? Great. Now the government will have to add an extra trillion dollars to the budget for security around every single airplane in the country.



MSNBC is reporting that NORAD scrambled two jets upon report of crash.

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 11:45 AM
The government does a great job at keeping us safe.

Reerun_KC
02-18-2010, 11:45 AM
Well, I'm sure they'll be wanting more now.

Shit like this stalls the hiring across the nation for pilots...

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 11:45 AM
MSNBC is reporting that NORAD scrambled two jets upon report of crash.

Why the fuck did the AP report that it wasn't believed to be terrorism?

Pitt Gorilla
02-18-2010, 11:45 AM
Weird...there was a bomb scare in Branson last night. Someone left a package by an ATM.

It has to be connected. Branson is important too.

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/84700862.htmlHave you caught a "show" there?

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 11:46 AM
Why the fuck did the AP report that it wasn't believed to be terrorism?

Hell, the AP is still reporting it as "not intentional."

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:46 AM
The fact that is name was Akbah Ali Aziz Muhammad Abab Al Adid is just a coincidence.
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Inspector
02-18-2010, 11:46 AM
IRS building according to my austin friend
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Is it still a bad thing then?

I just want to make sure.

Donger
02-18-2010, 11:47 AM
If he really targeted that specific building, that's some damn good flying. All the buildings in Austin near that area looks the same.

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 11:48 AM
Hell, the AP is still reporting it as "not intentional."

Athan must be in charge of AP too.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:48 AM
Back at Headquarters: "Muhammad Dammit!!! I told that Camel Hole BOSTON, not Austin!!!!"
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Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 11:48 AM
Is it still a bad thing then?

I just want to make sure.

Fucktard.

BigRedChief
02-18-2010, 11:48 AM
The government does a great job at keeping us safe.just how in the F$#k are we suppose to keep every little private bi-plane on lock down?

you want to worry about security holes? how about every friggin water resource in america has a bridge over it or public access to it. You realize how easy it would be to smuggle in chemicals or get your hands on some and dumpr them in the water? No one would ever know.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:49 AM
That company will still have a better year than the Royals.
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Dayze
02-18-2010, 11:50 AM
'they' were aiming for Alex Jones, who resides in Austin I believe.

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 11:51 AM
just how in the F$#k are we suppose to keep every little private bi-plane on lock down?

you want to worry about security holes? how about every friggin water resource in america has a bridge over it or public access to it. You realize how easy it would be to smuggle in chemicals or get your hands on some and dumpr them in the water? No one would ever know.

I don't know you were sounding pretty confident the other day when they caught the Talibans #2 guy.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:52 AM
Nothing to see here! There is nothing to see here!
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Inspector
02-18-2010, 11:53 AM
****tard.

So...that would be yes?

Still a bad thing?

Right?

Hydrae
02-18-2010, 11:53 AM
This was about a mile or so from where I work. I could see the smoke outside the window next to my cubicle. Made for an exciting morning around here!

Chief Henry
02-18-2010, 11:54 AM
Explosives planted in the building by "them," obviously.

watch for the "puffs" of smoke

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 11:55 AM
So...that would be yes?

Still a bad thing?

Right?

Why do the people who work for the IRS deserve to die?

BigChiefFan
02-18-2010, 11:55 AM
I love how they surmise what took place, before investigating.

Donger
02-18-2010, 11:56 AM
I love how they surmise what took place, before investigating.

Uh oh.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 11:58 AM
Investigate? We don't need no stinkin investigation.
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BigChiefFan
02-18-2010, 11:59 AM
Uh oh.

Yes, let's surmize what happened, before we even know all the details. Sound familiar? ;)

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 12:00 PM
Does this mean the Mardi Gras luncheon the Fame Commitee has been planning for weeks will be cancelled today? If employees choose to leave early will they have to use their PTO time?
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Inspector
02-18-2010, 12:00 PM
Why do the people who work for the IRS deserve to die?

Why do you think they should die?

They are just doing a job ya know.

So, you think it was a good thing that a plane crashed into an FBI building? Wow....

BigChiefFan
02-18-2010, 12:01 PM
Reports are, the person burned down his house before flying the plane.

Medina's apparently ruffled some feathers. ;)

Donger
02-18-2010, 12:02 PM
United flight from San Francisco to Denver diverted to SLC due to bomb threat.

BigRedChief
02-18-2010, 12:02 PM
Yes, let's surmize what happened, before we even know all the details. Sound familiar? ;)Some guy is pissed off at the IRS and goes out in a blaze of glory? If he's a Muslim, bonus time?


j/k

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 12:02 PM
Why do you think they should die?

They are just doing a job ya know.

So, you think it was a good thing that a plane crashed into an FBI building? Wow....

Go listen to your shitty band. They look like a bunch of fags.

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 12:03 PM
United flight from San Francisco to Denver diverted to SLC due to bomb threat.

Wonder if bomb threat came in before or after news of this crash.

Chief Henry
02-18-2010, 12:03 PM
Fox News reported that the guy is a Muslin and was recently seen "palling aroun'" with Obama. Developing...

and Obama and his Transportation Director are saying the problem was inherited from the previous adm. Developing...

Inspector
02-18-2010, 12:04 PM
Go listen to your shitty band. They look like a bunch of pillowbiters.

That's an odd answer.

Are you sure that's what you meant?

Are you feeling OK?

BigChiefFan
02-18-2010, 12:04 PM
I bet they make this guy a tea partier.

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 12:05 PM
United flight from San Francisco to Denver diverted to SLC due to bomb threat.

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=133028&catid=339

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Airport officials say an airliner en route to San Francisco from Denver has been diverted to Salt Lake City following a bomb threat.
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Salt Lake City Superintendent of Airport Operations Dave Korzep says the plane has been sequestered away from the terminal. He says the FBI and airport police are on scene searching the plane.

Korzep says the 193 passengers and six crew remain on board United Flight 741 and that there are buses waiting to transport passengers to the terminal when the all-clear is given.

Korzep had no details on the threat. The FBI in Salt Lake City said it couldn't confirm anything.

A United spokesperson says the flight was diverted as a precaution. The Federal Aviation Administration says it landed around 9:45 a.m.

No injuries have been reported.

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 12:05 PM
That's an odd answer.

Are you sure that's what you meant?

Are you feeling OK?

Yea I feel alot better than the lead singer who looks like it has aids.

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 12:07 PM
When will CNN get a Howard Stern prank call?

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Inspector
02-18-2010, 12:08 PM
Yea I feel alot better than the lead singer who looks like it has aids.

Whew. Good. I'm glad you're feeling better. I was a little worried there for a bit.

As far as I know Kristen has no diseases whatsoever. She is actually a real health nut.

Thanks for your concern.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 12:10 PM
Before running from the building everyone must log off their computer,secure all confidential information, punch out on the time clock, let their supervisor know, clean out your food from the refridgerator, and send out all mail.
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BigRedChief
02-18-2010, 12:10 PM
Minute by minute updates on cnn.com
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

Bowser
02-18-2010, 12:11 PM
Obviously, the guy who flew that plane into the building heard that the Austin IRS employees were going to throw a Compton style ghetto party in honor of Black History Month, and snapped.

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 12:20 PM
So the guy burns down his house then flies a plane into an IRS building. I wonder if the IRS put a tax lien on his house?

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 12:51 PM
Manifesto left.

Dude had serious issues with the government.

Lost battle with IRS. Lost life savings.

L.A. Chieffan
02-18-2010, 12:55 PM
I'm all for the elimination of the IRS but this may not be the best route.

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 12:57 PM
Copy of the manifesto:

http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.



Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.



The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.



Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

L.A. Chieffan
02-18-2010, 01:00 PM
probably some disgruntled teabagger
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ftw

Donger
02-18-2010, 01:05 PM
OMG, he WAS an engineer!?

LMAO

JD10367
02-18-2010, 01:09 PM
Copy of the manifesto:

Now, see, if this guy had his own Month, he would've felt better about things. :shrug: :D

RIP dude. That rant sounds like you would have made a worthy contributor to an online sports board. Except, of course, for the whole crazy "burn down your house and steal a plane and fly it into a building" thing, which sort of kills the sympathy for you quicker than the loss of erections if Rosie O'Donnell shows up at a Playboy Bunny Party...

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 01:10 PM
Now, see, if this guy had his own Month, he would've felt better about things. :shrug: :D

RIP dude. That rant sounds like you would have made a worthy contributor to an online sports board. Except, of course, for the whole crazy "burn down your house and steal a plane and fly it into a building" thing, which sort of kills the sympathy for you quicker than Rosie O'Donnell at a Playboy Bunny Party...

Oh, he would have fit in perfectly with the fucking nutbags in the DC forum.

Chief Henry
02-18-2010, 01:27 PM
Looks like he didn't pay qrtlys.

Garcia Bronco
02-18-2010, 01:27 PM
While I disagree with his actions....I can't help but sypathize with this guy and tell the truth. He's right.

BigChiefFan
02-18-2010, 01:28 PM
I thought it was pretty powerful read.

whatsmynameagain
02-18-2010, 01:29 PM
a white terrorist. what was his religion, start the profiling!

this idiot just cost us more money, what a dumbass.
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Der Flöprer
02-18-2010, 01:33 PM
While I disagree with his actions....I can't help but sypathize with this guy and tell the truth. He's right.

Yep. I expect to take a beating over this. While I vehemently oppose his course of action, he obviously went nuts after figuring out what's really going on in America today.

Gonzo
02-18-2010, 01:33 PM
I just got back from a tour at our local FBI building...

Needless to say, they were fairly busy.

blaise
02-18-2010, 01:37 PM
a white terrorist. what was his religion, start the profiling!

this idiot just cost us more money, what a dumbass.
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You don't think there's profiling on guys like these? What world are you living in?

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 01:37 PM
Joe Stack sounds like a fake CIA operative name - Alex Jones

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-18-2010, 01:40 PM
"Take my pound of flesh"...

Jesus, the Taco Johns have spoken

ROFL ROFL

Sofa King
02-18-2010, 01:41 PM
Yep. I expect to take a beating over this. While I vehemently oppose his course of action, he obviously went nuts after figuring out what's really going on in America today.

pretty much...

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-18-2010, 01:44 PM
Joe Stack has a salute page on FB?

Holy Fuck.

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 01:47 PM
Joe Stack has a salute page on FB?

Holy Fuck.

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=joseph+stack&init=quick#!/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=323208187216

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gwgp4j.jpg

Garcia Bronco
02-18-2010, 01:49 PM
Yep. I expect to take a beating over this. While I vehemently oppose his course of action, he obviously went nuts after figuring out what's really going on in America today.

<O:p> </O:p>
His first **** up was getting married, IMO. You have to almost be a masochist in this society to marry an American Woman. She can make you a serf in about 60 days. It's almost better to leave the country, tkae up a new name some place else and forget everyone you ever knew. LOL

niblet
02-18-2010, 01:49 PM
LOL @ commercial that was just on CNN. http://www.txmstr.com/

whatsmynameagain
02-18-2010, 01:50 PM
Joe Stack has a salute page on FB?

Holy Fuck.

of course, even a movie about it "the crazies" ---filmed at the rnc and tea party convention
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'Hamas' Jenkins
02-18-2010, 01:53 PM
Funny how people are so willing to equivocate the actions of a psychopath simply because they don't like an institution that he didn't like.

"Oh, I disagree with what he did, but..."

Bullfuck.

He slammed a plane full of fuel into a building that served as a symbol for something he hated.

Smaller plane than 9/11, fewer individuals involved, same intent.

Times like this make me hope there's a hell just so that fucker can burn in it for perpetuity.

Oh, and he also tried to burn two women alive in his fucking house, too.

DMAC
02-18-2010, 01:53 PM
I bet Iyanna is not happy that Joe Stack stole her thunder.

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 01:54 PM
ftw


of course, even a movie about it "the crazies" ---filmed at the rnc and tea party convention
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Did you read the manifesto? Anti capitalist, anti bush, for government healthcare. Yep. Sounds just like a tea partier to me. :rolleyes:

Slainte
02-18-2010, 01:55 PM
Funny how people are so willing to equivocate the actions of a psychopath simply because they don't like an institution that he didn't like.

"Oh, I disagree with what he did, but..."

Bullfuck.

He slammed a plane full of fuel into a building that served as a symbol for something he hated.

Smaller plane than 9/11, fewer individuals involved, same intent.

Times like this make me hope there's a hell just so that fucker can burn in it for perpetuity.

Oh, and he also tried to burn two women alive in his fucking house, too.

Això. Rep.

Chocolate Hog
02-18-2010, 01:56 PM
Sarah Palin is running on a small government, Anti-IRS platform. Move over Joe The Plumber, Hello Joe The Pilot.

blaise
02-18-2010, 01:57 PM
of course, even a movie about it "the crazies" ---filmed at the rnc and tea party convention
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Whoopi Goldberg and Rosie O'Donnell called. They want their tired act back.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-18-2010, 02:04 PM
Did you read the manifesto? Anti capitalist, anti bush, for government healthcare. Yep. Sounds just like a tea partier to me. :rolleyes:

Apparently your anti-reading comprehension platform didn't help you with reading it, either.

Der Flöprer
02-18-2010, 02:05 PM
Sarah Palin is running on a small government, Anti-IRS platform. Move over Joe The Plumber, Hello Joe The Pilot.

ROFL That's fucked up.

Inspector
02-18-2010, 02:19 PM
At first I thought that letter was signed by "Jack" Stack.

Good thing LC's is reopened.

JD10367
02-18-2010, 02:22 PM
I just got back from a tour at our local FBI building...

Needless to say, they were fairly busy.

You know what would've been funny? If you'd thrown your head back and let out a loud "ULULULULULULULULU!" like the guys in the Middle East do. :D

Well, okay. :rolleyes: Maybe it would've been funny for a half-second, before they all shot you. But still.... :shrug:

ChiefaRoo
02-18-2010, 02:42 PM
Funny how people are so willing to equivocate the actions of a psychopath simply because they don't like an institution that he didn't like.

"Oh, I disagree with what he did, but..."

Bull****.

He slammed a plane full of fuel into a building that served as a symbol for something he hated.

Smaller plane than 9/11, fewer individuals involved, same intent.

Times like this make me hope there's a hell just so that ****er can burn in it for perpetuity.

Oh, and he also tried to burn two women alive in his ****ing house, too.



I agree the guy is no martyr or anyone to look up to or romanticize. He's just a dude who snapped and decided to go out with a bang. Screw him for his selfishness.

I don't want to hear anymore of this political ideology crap either. It's not relevant.

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 03:04 PM
Apparently your anti-reading comprehension platform didn't help you with reading it, either.

So exactly what part of his anti-capitalist, anti-bush, anti health insurance, anti-big pharma, anti-catholic, communist creed quoting rant paints him as a Tea Partier?

HypnotizedMonkey
02-18-2010, 03:05 PM
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gblowfish
02-18-2010, 03:07 PM
Moving to the DC forum in 3........2.........1......

Bearcat
02-18-2010, 03:08 PM
I mentioned the FB groups to someone, and basically mentioned Hamas' point about how it's real hard to say "I agree with the message even if I disagree with the method" since the guy just flew a f***ing plane into a building.... and this is the quality response I received (they're in tax accounting, fwiw)...

I understand that many people do not understand or do not choose to understand the tax code. There is much about the tax code that I don’t understand, and it is still difficult for me to read and comprehend. But the rules are not that complicated for the majority of people and, especially in this day and age, there is plenty of plain-language, free help for those that need it. It is merely a matter of choosing to educate yourself and/or paying for a person or tools that will help you. Not that difficult.

And these people that try to dodge paying taxes are just idiots. This argument has been lost over and over and over again. The case precedent establishes the upholdability (sorry for that) of our current tax system, regardless of whatever loopholes people think they can find in the code. So you don’t like paying taxes? Move to Canada or Europe and see how you like their tax rates.

Again, if you are saying you disagree with how the government uses money or prints money or whatever you want to say…fine…but you elected them, people in power ALWAYS abuse it, get a big group of people together and you’ll never be able to come to a decision. Someone will always end up mad, so even if the country was to revolt and put someone new in power, would that REALLY make everyone happy? How long until everyone was mad and unrepresented again?? All of these ignorant people believe that there are easy solutions to the world’s problems…there aren’t.

Vote, be a responsible citizen, work hard, worry about what’s in your control, DO something to make the world better if you don’t like things, and then just try to enjoy your short life and not be an angry, miserable complainer. GEEZ.

Thank God that we have the freedoms that we do and that we’re not being beaten/raped/totured/murdered at the whim of the people in power. We can work and go to the store and buy food for ourselves and our children. This crap just makes me so stinking mad, I’m sorry.

Hydrae
02-18-2010, 03:08 PM
I agree the guy is no martyr or anyone to look up to or romanticize. He's just a dude who snapped and decided to go out with a bang. Screw him for his selfishness.

I don't want to hear anymore of this political ideology crap either. It's not relevant.

Not relevant? His entire manifesto was a political rant. That is what pushed him over the edge.

I am not justifying his stupidity in thinking this would make any difference or forgiving him for trying to take others out with him.

OnTheWarpath58
02-18-2010, 03:12 PM
I mentioned the FB groups to someone, and basically mentioned Hamas' point about how it's real hard to say "I agree with the message even if I disagree with the method" since the guy just flew a f***ing plane into a building.... and this is the quality response I received (they're in tax accounting, fwiw)...

I understand that many people do not understand or do not choose to understand the tax code. There is much about the tax code that I don’t understand, and it is still difficult for me to read and comprehend. But the rules are not that complicated for the majority of people and, especially in this day and age, there is plenty of plain-language, free help for those that need it.

Dude's all over the fucking place.

Hi, I'm a tax accountant. There's a lot of tax code I don't understand, it's hard to read and comprehend. But for the rest of you, it shouldn't be that hard.

ROFL

kcfanXIII
02-18-2010, 03:17 PM
Investigate? We don't need no stinkin investigation.
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what ever the media tells me, i believe. i never question such sources as msnbc, cnn, or fox. they would never make shit up to fill air time, or report something they're not exactly sure is true in order to scoop the other networks.

ChiefaRoo
02-18-2010, 03:22 PM
Not relevant? His entire manifesto was a political rant. That is what pushed him over the edge.

I am not justifying his stupidity in thinking this would make any difference or forgiving him for trying to take others out with him.

It's just not worth talking about anymore than saying that crazy Alabama chick was a leftist. They're both killers, who cares what their politics are/were.

It's just sad that people were killed for no reason by these kooks.

Bearcat
02-18-2010, 03:29 PM
I understand that many people do not understand or do not choose to understand the tax code. There is much about the tax code that I don’t understand, and it is still difficult for me to read and comprehend. But the rules are not that complicated for the majority of people and, especially in this day and age, there is plenty of plain-language, free help for those that need it.

Dude's all over the ****ing place.

Hi, I'm a tax accountant. There's a lot of tax code I don't understand, it's hard to read and comprehend. But for the rest of you, it shouldn't be that hard.

ROFL

"the rules are not that complicated for the majority of people".... meaning, the majority of people have no need to touch the incredibly complicated stuff. My taxes are no where near as complicated as a corporation's.... which goes along with how this dumbass was trying to find loopholes that didn't pertain to him so he could get out of paying taxes.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-18-2010, 03:35 PM
"the rules are not that complicated for the majority of people".... meaning, the majority of people have no need to touch the incredibly complicated stuff. My taxes are no where near as complicated as a corporation's.... which goes along with how this dumbass was trying to find loopholes that didn't pertain to him so he could get out of paying taxes.

Bingo. Fill out a fucking 1040 and don't look for bullshit reasons to count as "deductions".

banyon
02-18-2010, 03:40 PM
So exactly what part of his anti-capitalist, anti-bush, anti health insurance, anti-big pharma, anti-catholic, communist creed quoting rant paints him as a Tea Partier?

The Tea Partiers aren't pro-Bush, pro-Big Pharma, or pro-catholic.

He also says "big brother" repeatedly referring to the IRS and that the ideas that laws are written to protect us is BS. it's way heavily slanted in that direction, a passing reference to insurance companies doesn't change the weight of everything else. Many of the Tea Partiers are angry both at big government and big business. He fits pretty squarely in that group, IMO.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-18-2010, 03:42 PM
So exactly what part of his anti-capitalist, anti-bush, anti health insurance, anti-big pharma, anti-catholic, communist creed quoting rant paints him as a Tea Partier?

He said one thing about "health" in the entire psychotic rant, and it was a complaint that the gov't is spending too much time on it.

One mention of Bush, he called him a puppet.

One mention of the Catholic Church, and it was in reference to their tax-exempt status.

He was equating the failure of communism with the failure of the current economic system. In no way was that an endorsement of communism.

Learn to read you fucking moron.

petegz28
02-18-2010, 03:45 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html

Reaper16
02-18-2010, 03:45 PM
It was an inside job set up so that the Obama administration can continue to spread rhetoric about how hateful and radical the Tea Partiers are. It was a set-up to frame Liberty.

niblet
02-18-2010, 03:46 PM
It's just not worth talking about anymore than saying that crazy Alabama chick was a leftist.

Disagree. It was the motive of one, but not the other.

Bowser
02-18-2010, 03:47 PM
I blame video games. And Satan.

KC Dan
02-18-2010, 03:50 PM
It was an inside job set up so that the Obama administration can continue to spread rhetoric about how hateful and radical the Tea Partiers are. It was a set-up to frame Liberty.
"i c wut u did ther "

orange
02-18-2010, 03:53 PM
I blame video games. And Satan.

Distinction without a difference.

Norman Einstein
02-18-2010, 03:53 PM
I blame video games. And Satan.

I blame video games and Obama.

I guess that's the same thing.

Bowser
02-18-2010, 03:55 PM
I blame video games and Obama.

I guess that's the same thing.

"i c wut u did ther "

/

Norman Einstein
02-18-2010, 03:56 PM
/

BOBBY, watch the ball!

banyon
02-18-2010, 04:11 PM
So, since this is the political forum's version of this thread, how is this guy different from the Tea Partier types?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-18-2010, 04:12 PM
So, since this is the political forum's version of this thread, how is this guy different from the Tea Partier types?

He espouses the same retarded ideology, but they aren't murderous psychopaths, just idiots.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 04:16 PM
So is the office closed tomorrow? Good thing its not Month End.
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kstater
02-18-2010, 04:24 PM
I believe this fellow may have had some psychological issues.

orange
02-18-2010, 04:27 PM
Here's his statement on a site you can probably actually reach right now:

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/02/18/the-insane-manifesto-of-austin-texas-crash-pilot-joseph-andrew-stack//#pageTitle

ChiefaRoo
02-18-2010, 04:29 PM
Disagree. It was the motive of one, but not the other.


You miss the point.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 04:38 PM
So, since this is the political forum's version of this thread, how is this guy different from the Tea Partier types?

After reading his statement, his ideas closely resemble certain similar gripes from the Tea Party element.

Glenn Beck was careful to plead that violence is not the answer. Some such stuff about us needing to be like America's founding fathers (who of course, didn't use violence in their revolution against Britain) and not like the French revolutionaries (who cut off heads). Also some stuff about Tom Paine being a great man, but no mention from Beck about Paine supporting the French Revolution.

niblet
02-18-2010, 04:39 PM
You miss the point.

False.

It is much more relevant to talk about his political ideology than it is to talk about the Alabama teacher's political ideology because it served as the motive for what he did. Talking about the Alabama teacher's political ideology is completely extraneous, while talking about his is getting to the root of why it happened.

Unless you think it's irrelevant to talk about motive.

talastan
02-18-2010, 04:49 PM
After reading his statement, his ideas closely resemble certain similar gripes from the Tea Party element.

Glenn Beck was careful to plead that violence is not the answer. Some such stuff about us needing to be like America's founding fathers (who of course, didn't use violence in their revolution against Britain) and not like the French revolutionaries (who cut off heads). Also some stuff about Tom Paine being a great man, but no mention from Beck about Paine supporting the French Revolution.

Actually I heard that and Beck was stating that in the French Revolution, when things were being shown less about individual liberty and more of the collective good, Paine then spoke out and was locked up.

talastan
02-18-2010, 04:51 PM
The founders spoke of the battlefield of ideas. Not attacking innocent individuals. This guy was an idiot and was very wrong. The sad thing is this is going to give the government more reason to continue attacking individual liberties. :shake:

Taco John
02-18-2010, 04:55 PM
I believe in non-aggression, and most definitely do not condone any violence in order to advance any point of view. That said, this level of desperation is no suprise to me. I hope we don't see more of it.

Cannibal
02-18-2010, 04:58 PM
I believe in non-aggression, and most definitely do not condone any violence in order to advance any point of view. That said, this level of desperation is no suprise to me. I hope we don't see more of it.

We'll see more of it and the man who flew his plane into the building is no better than Ali Baba suicide bomber in Palastine.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 05:00 PM
Actually I heard that and Beck was stating that in the French Revolution, when things were being shown less about individual liberty and more of the collective good, Paine then spoke out and was locked up.

Yeah, which is a seriously twisted interpretation of history. Paine was thrown in prison because he supported the losing faction.

But, Glenn prefaced the whole conversation with: "I'll be honest, I don't know shit about what I'm about to talk about here." So that was refreshingly honest.

Saul Good
02-18-2010, 05:10 PM
After reading his statement, his ideas closely resemble certain similar gripes from the Tea Party element.

Glenn Beck was careful to plead that violence is not the answer. Some such stuff about us needing to be like America's founding fathers (who of course, didn't use violence in their revolution against Britain) and not like the French revolutionaries (who cut off heads). Also some stuff about Tom Paine being a great man, but no mention from Beck about Paine supporting the French Revolution.

You really want to play this stupid game? I guess there's a 99% chance that this chick is an Obama supporter.


Duke lacrosse accuser charged with attempted murder, arson
Crystal Mangum

Posted: Today at 5:39 a.m.
Updated: Today at 1:55 p.m.

Durham, N.C. — Durham police late Wednesday arrested the woman who four years ago falsely accused three Duke University lacrosse players of raping her.

Crystal Mangum assaulted her boyfriend, set his clothes on fire in a bathtub and threatened to stab him, investigators said.

Crystal MangumWATCH VIDEO
Duke lacrosse accuser arrested

A judge set her bond at $1 million during a Thursday morning court appearance. Mangum, 33, has been appointed a public defender and is scheduled to appear in court on Feb. 22.

Police charged her with attempted first-degree murder, five counts of arson, assault and battery, communicating threats, three counts of misdemeanor child abuse, injury to personal property, identity theft and resisting a public officer.

Shortly after 11:30 p.m., police received a 911 call about a domestic dispute at 2220 Lincoln St. Authorities said they believe the call came from one of the three children inside the house.

When officers arrived, they found Mangum and her boyfriend, Milton Walker, 33, fighting. According to police documents, Mangum scratched, punched and threw objects at Walker and told him, "I'm going to stab you, (expletive)!"

She then went into a bathroom and set his clothes on fire in the bathtub, police said. Officers called the fire department to put out the flames. No one was injured.

Milton was not charged, police said. The three children inside the house, ages 3, 9 and 10, were not injured.

Officers said Mangum gave them a fake name, "Marella Mangum," and age, prompting the identity theft charge. She also resisted the officers who responded to the scene, according to police documents.

Mangum has been ordered to have no contact with Walker.

Mangum – who penned her memoir, "Last Dance for Grace," in 2008 – was a student at North Carolina Central University in 2006 and also worked as an exotic dancer when she performed at the now-infamous Duke lacrosse party.

It was there, she claimed, that three white members of the team trapped her inside a bathroom and raped and sexually assaulted her.

The three players were indicted on rape and other charges on the basis of her allegations and were eventually exonerated after North Carolina's attorney general dismissed the charges.

The case ultimately cost former Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong his job and he was later disbarred. He also spent a night in jail for lying to a Superior Court judge.

Several players in the Duke lacrosse case, including Duke Unviersity and the North Carolina Attorney General's Office, declined to comment on the case.

Nifong could not be reached for comment.

"My heart goes out to her," Joseph Cheshire, who represented one of the accused lacrosse players.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 05:15 PM
You really want to play this stupid game? I guess there's a 99% chance that this chick is an Obama supporter.

What game?

Saul Good
02-18-2010, 05:16 PM
Glenn Beck was careful to plead that violence is not the answer. Some such stuff about us needing to be like America's founding fathers (who of course, didn't use violence in their revolution against Britain)

The founding fathers didn't start the violence. They declared independence. When they were attacked, they responded as necessary. If they could have gained their independence without violence, don't you think they would have been happy to?

Saul Good
02-18-2010, 05:18 PM
What game?

Let's find a wacko and try to attach him to conservatives. It's a stupid game for either side to play, but if you really want to, why don't you go to a prison and ask how many approve of Obama? It could be enlightening.

orange
02-18-2010, 05:22 PM
The founding fathers didn't start the violence. They declared independence. When they were attacked, they responded as necessary. If they could have gained their independence without violence, don't you think they would have been happy to?

Whatever are you talking about? The Revolution was over a year old before independence was declared. And early Americans hardly shied from the notion that it was a REVOLUTION.

The phrase originates in Ralph Waldo Emerson's Concord Hymn, 1837 and relates to the start of the American Revolutionary War:

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April's breeze unfurled;
Here once the embattled farmers stood;
And fired the shot heard 'round the world.

On 19 April 1775, on Lexington Square (Lexington is between Boston and Concord), the British Major John Pitcairn and his six light Infantry companies faced about seventy colonial militiamen. The details of the ensuing skirmish, and critically who fired the first shot, are disputed. What is clear is that this was "the shot heard 'round the world".


...

This is revisionism that isn't even necessary. Who in America disputes that the American Revolutionary WAR was a good thing?

Taco John
02-18-2010, 05:25 PM
We'll see more of it and the man who flew his plane into the building is no better than Ali Baba suicide bomber in Palastine.

I agree with that.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 05:26 PM
The founding fathers didn't start the violence. They declared independence. When they were attacked, they responded as necessary. If they could have gained their independence without violence, don't you think they would have been happy to?

I can't even deal with this shit.

Just, goddammit.

Saul Good
02-18-2010, 05:26 PM
Whatever are you talking about? The Revolution was over a year old before independence was declared. And early Americans hardly shied from the notion that it was a REVOLUTION.

The phrase originates in Ralph Waldo Emerson's Concord Hymn, 1837 and relates to the start of the American Revolutionary War:

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April's breeze unfurled;
Here once the embattled farmers stood;
And fired the shot heard 'round the world.

On 19 April 1775, on Lexington Square (Lexington is between Boston and Concord), the British Major John Pitcairn and his six light Infantry companies faced about seventy colonial militiamen. The details of the ensuing skirmish, and critically who fired the first shot, are disputed. What is clear is that this was "the shot heard 'round the world".


...

This is revisionism that isn't even necessary. Who in America disputes that the American Revolutionary WAR was a good thing?

Jenson is implying that:

Glenn Beck encourages us to uphold the ideals of our founders.

The founders took part in a war.

Wars are violent.

Glenn Beck is encouraging us to be violent.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 05:30 PM
Let's find a wacko and try to attach him to conservatives. It's a stupid game for either side to play, but if you really want to, why don't you go to a prison and ask how many approve of Obama? It could be enlightening.

You insufferable fucking moron. I said his ideas closely resemble certain gripes from the Tea Party element.

You want to try to deny that?

Taco John
02-18-2010, 05:30 PM
The nature of man trends towards liberty. When men start to feel like their liberty is under attack, they act out. We see this again and again in history. People don't like to feel controlled. We see it with the blowback we get from our foriegn interventionalism. We are apparently seeing it from the blowback we get from our domestic interventionalism.

It's terrible that someone felt like the best solution was to sacrifice his life and put other lives of others in danger. Regardless of how he felt, destroying the lives and property of others is not an acceptable option.

Taco John
02-18-2010, 05:30 PM
If I was Alex Jones today, I would feel pretty threatened. He's going to be a popular target on both the right and the left now.

banyon
02-18-2010, 05:32 PM
So, is this guy on the run?

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 05:32 PM
Jenson is implying that:

Glenn Beck encourages us to uphold the ideals of our founders.

The founders took part in a war.

Wars are violent.

Glenn Beck is encouraging us to be violent.

I'm implying that Glenn Beck is an idiot, but he knows well how to safeguard his interests ($$).

Radar Chief
02-18-2010, 05:36 PM
I blame video games. And Satan.

And that damn Heavy Metal music.

Brock
02-18-2010, 05:39 PM
SHOUT

SHOUT

SHOUT

banyon
02-18-2010, 05:39 PM
He espouses the same retarded ideology, but they aren't murderous psychopaths, just idiots.

I think that's correct, but i wanted to see what the reaction would be from people sympathetic to the "cause", like the facebook link. Didn't know if that sentiment would extend this far or not.

And as much as I disagree with 99% of Taco and most others reading of libertarian ideology, they respect most people's lives and don't wish harm on them.

Bi_polar
02-18-2010, 05:40 PM
False.

It is much more relevant to talk about his political ideology than it is to talk about the Alabama teacher's political ideology because it served as the motive for what he did. Talking about the Alabama teacher's political ideology is completely extraneous, while talking about his is getting to the root of why it happened.

Unless you think it's irrelevant to talk about motive.



I think you're irrelevant - 'Niblet'

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 05:41 PM
Since you were technically a temp as your 90 days will not be until Feb 20th, you will not be paid for the 6 hours you failed to work on the 18th. Technically, you left the building voluntarily. Although we regret the burning and the black smoke this is our policy.
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kstater
02-18-2010, 05:41 PM
So, is this guy on the run?

I'm not sure how to answer that?

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 05:42 PM
So, is this guy on the run?

He's dead.

Bi_polar
02-18-2010, 05:43 PM
You miss the point.

ChiefaRoo, Niblet is only a dupe trying to cause trouble. I know who it is, too. He couldn't have had made it any more obvious, yesterday.

banyon
02-18-2010, 05:45 PM
I'm not sure how to answer that?

Well they said there's no body and the pilot is missing.

One still missing as building hit by small plane smolders



http://www2.wnct.com/nct/news/national/article/one_still_missing_as_building_hit_by_small_plane_smolders/110325/

CBS Newspath
Published: February 18, 2010
Updated: February 18, 2010

The small plane hit a seven story office building in Austin, Texas..sending flames and smoke high into the sky.
Officials say the pilot, identified as Joseph Andrew Stack, appears to have set his own house on fire with his wife and daughter inside…..then set out on the mission of destruction.. intentionally slamming his plane into the Austin building where the Internal Revenue Service has offices.
Emergency vehicles quickly arrived to douse the flames with water.
Witnesses say the private plane was flying very low before it banked to the right and crashed into the building.
Firefighters have evacuated the building. One person who was inside at the time of the crash is missing and several people are reported injured.
While officials ruled out terrorism, Two F-16’s launched and conducted an air patrol after the crash as a precauti

banyon
02-18-2010, 05:46 PM
He's dead.

How do we know? All I've read is "presumed" a couple of places. Others like my above link just say "missing".

Isn't it possible he survived and ran or bailed out prior to the crash?

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 05:50 PM
How do we know? All I've read is "presumed" a couple of places. Others like my above link just say "missing".

Isn't it possible he survived and ran or bailed out prior to the crash?

Investigators identified the pilot.

The missing person is a worker or client or something.

banyon
02-18-2010, 06:04 PM
Investigators identified the pilot.

The missing person is a worker or client or something.

All I see is "FBI tentatively ID's pilot" and that was 10 minutes old, and it doesn't say how they ID'd him.

Hydrae
02-18-2010, 06:20 PM
In the press conference I heard on my way home (4:30 central time), the FBI weren't really saying much. They are taking the lead on the investigation, made a statement and took no questions. But there was nothing to make a person think the plane was unmanned when it hit. Witnesses say it hooked a turn just before it hit. I drove past it on the way home, he nailed it right in the front door from the looks of it.

banyon
02-18-2010, 06:24 PM
Investigators identified the pilot.

The missing person is a worker or client or something.

Jenson. this is the AP:

The FBI says the forensic investigation continues to confirm the pilot's identity, and authorities say his body has not yet been recovered.

http://www.newser.com/article/d9dusdr80/fbi-tentatively-ids-texas-plane-crash-pilot-as-joseph-stack-forensic-investigation-continues.html

Who knows? If they are looking, maybe it's an intentional strategy to not say that they think he is missing? I think it's unlikely, but you think they would have found the remains by now too.

banyon
02-18-2010, 06:25 PM
In the press conference I heard on my way home (4:30 central time), the FBI weren't really saying much. They are taking the lead on the investigation, made a statement and took no questions. But there was nothing to make a person think the plane was unmanned when it hit. Witnesses say it hooked a turn just before it hit. I drove past it on the way home, he nailed it right in the front door from the looks of it.

What was the area like, Hydrae?

JD10367
02-18-2010, 06:32 PM
I think there's a simple reason the pilot's body "has not yet been recovered": it's called "crashing a plane into a f**king building". Yeah, he's on the run, all right... running through the parking lot in rivulets and puddles.

Pioli Zombie
02-18-2010, 06:32 PM
Dock that chinaman a days pay for loafing on the job.
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Hydrae
02-18-2010, 06:34 PM
What was the area like, Hydrae?

They have the frontage road in front of the building closed at least until sometime tomorrow while they finish any hot spots. The building sits on a small rise above the highway. The bank on the other side of the highway is covered with news vans. ROFL

I could see a definite hole where the plane must have hit. Most of the rest of the windows in the place were blown out. One thing that took me a second was some silvery looking stuff waving in the breeze in windows farther away from the entry site. Then I realized it was the blinds. The windows blew out with the pressure but the blinds were still hanging just fine.

Hydrae
02-18-2010, 06:37 PM
I have a coworker who told me a friend of his wife works in that building. She was very lucky though, she is in Georgia for some training. He just hopes that isn't the person they think is missing.

I did hear that they have talked to the missing person's family though so I doubt it is her. I am sure the family would have told them she was out of town.

JD10367
02-18-2010, 06:38 PM
The Jews are behind this.

The fact that is name was Akbah Ali Aziz Muhammad Abab Al Adid is just a coincidence.

How come they don't have Flaming Homosexual Month?

Dock that chinaman a days pay for loafing on the job.


Do the world a favor. Take a deep breath. And hold it. Until you're dead.

banyon
02-18-2010, 06:40 PM
I think there's a simple reason the pilot's body "has not yet been recovered": it's called "crashing a plane into a f**king building". Yeah, he's on the run, all right... running through the parking lot in rivulets and puddles.

I think that's probably 98% likely, but bear in mind the crash didn't kill anyone else either (so far).

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 06:41 PM
He said one thing about "health" in the entire psychotic rant, and it was a complaint that the gov't is spending too much time on it.

One mention of Bush, he called him a puppet.

One mention of the Catholic Church, and it was in reference to their tax-exempt status.

He was equating the failure of communism with the failure of the current economic system. In no way was that an endorsement of communism.

Learn to read you ****ing moron.

Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies

What part of this makes you think he's saying our government is spending too much time on healthcare? If anything he's saying the opposite. Read much?


that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy
The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living

Clearly he's only talking about their exempt status. The vulgar and corrupt part means nothing right? Monsters means nothing.

Look in the mirror before you call someone a moron. Reading comprehension certainly isn't your strong suit. The guys a nut job. Period. To call him a tea partier is pretty foolish. But I'm sure the media will jump at the chance to paint him as a tea partier.

Dave Lane
02-18-2010, 06:46 PM
Was it BEP or one of her cohorts protesting taxes as stealing?

Saul Good
02-18-2010, 06:50 PM
You insufferable ****ing moron. I said his ideas closely resemble certain gripes from the Tea Party element. You want to try to deny that?You're honestly going to deny that you weren't trying to connect dots between Beck and violence? If not, how do we get from an airplane crash in the US to the French Revolution?

mikey23545
02-18-2010, 06:53 PM
The Tea Partiers aren't pro-Bush, pro-Big Pharma, or pro-catholic.

He also says "big brother" repeatedly referring to the IRS and that the ideas that laws are written to protect us is BS. it's way heavily slanted in that direction, a passing reference to insurance companies doesn't change the weight of everything else. Many of the Tea Partiers are angry both at big government and big business. He fits pretty squarely in that group, IMO.

Oh, I see... finally, the reason to start rounding up those who disagree with Obama, huh?...

Saul Good
02-18-2010, 06:54 PM
By the way, banyon, if you need a reminder of what hysterics and ad hominems look like, you could do worse than to read Jenson's ravings.

mikey23545
02-18-2010, 06:59 PM
I guess the fact that this guy started his whining 20 years before the Tea Parties even existed will kinda get ignored, huh?...

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 06:59 PM
So, since this is the political forum's version of this thread, how is this guy different from the Tea Partier types?

Umm, let's see. He's anti-capitalist, anti-health system we have now, anti-religion, need I really go on? Oh, and the little thing about him flying a ****ing plane into a building. :rolleyes:

He's a nutjob. End of story. But hey, I guess I can play your game too. The professor who went on a shooting rampage the other day was a devout Obama supporter, how is she any different than the rest of the Obama supporters such as yourself? :shake:

Dave Lane
02-18-2010, 07:01 PM
So if he was a tea partyer can we paint all tea partyers as members of a terrorist organization with the same broad brush as many paint Muslims with in DC?

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 07:03 PM
After reading his statement, his ideas closely resemble certain similar gripes from the Tea Party element.



Funny, his statement also resembles some of the gripes of the left. He doesn't like our modern healthcare system, doesn't like organized religion, doesn't like big corporations. But go ahead and paint him as anything but a loon.

BigChiefFan
02-18-2010, 07:05 PM
I guess the fact that this guy started his whining 20 years before the Tea Parties even existed will kinda get ignored, huh?...

I believe that's your greatest post on the planet. That's definitely a valid point, brought into the discussion. Nice job.

Reaper16
02-18-2010, 07:07 PM
Umm, let's see. He's anti-capitalist, anti-health system we have now, anti-religion, need I really go on? Oh, and the little thing about him flying a ****ing plane into a building. :rolleyes:

He's a nutjob. End of story. But hey, I guess I can play your game too. The professor who went on a shooting rampage the other day was a devout Obama supporter, how is she any different than the rest of the Obama supporters such as yourself? :shake:
I'm with you about him being a nutjob that shouldn't reflect upon the political ideas of those aligned with him in thought. But the difference between this nutjob and the Alabama-Hunstville professor nutjob is that the plane nutjob acted out violently because and in support of his politics. The Obama-supporting nutjob professor didn't murder anyone in a pro-Obama rampage or something.

BigRedChief
02-18-2010, 07:16 PM
Nutjob in plane = Political statement and protest against the government.

Professor nutjob = pissed off about a promotion at her place of employment.

This is not comparing apples to apples.

The tea partiers have tolerated volient images and something violent talk at their rallys. They have some blame to share about this guy but its not their fault. There are nutjobs in every party.

I don't think most tea partiers want a violent overthrow of the governnment or want to start blowing up government offices. It was just a nutjob doing what nutjob's do.

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 07:18 PM
I'm with you about him being a nutjob that shouldn't reflect upon the political ideas of those aligned with him in thought. But the difference between this nutjob and the Alabama-Hunstville professor nutjob is that the plane nutjob acted out violently because and in support of his politics. The Obama-supporting nutjob professor didn't murder anyone in a pro-Obama rampage or something.

I see your point. Well, i'm guessing he acted out violently in support of his left leaning, anti-corporate, anti-religion, anti-healthcare politics, not the right leaning part. :D

Dave Lane
02-18-2010, 07:18 PM
You know I mail my taxes to the IRS in Austin Texas. Does this mean I should take my Turbo Tax back to Microcenter and get a refund?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-18-2010, 07:20 PM
I was absolutely appalled at the fact CNN did not want to condemn this as an act of terrorism.

Fucking ridiculous.

stevieray
02-18-2010, 07:20 PM
I guess the fact that this guy started his whining 20 years before the Tea Parties even existed will kinda get ignored, huh?...

or that there wasn't one arrest or incident at any Tea Party across the Nation.

Saul Good
02-18-2010, 07:21 PM
I was absolutely appalled at the fact CNN did not want to condemn this as an act of terrorism.

****ing ridiculous.

They probably wanted to when they thought he was a conservative, but when they found out that he wasn't Christian, they probably thought better of it.

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 07:24 PM
Nutjob in plane = Political statement and protest against the government.

Professor nutjob = pissed off about a promotion at her place of employment.

This is not comparing apples to apples.

The tea partiers have tolerated volient images and something violent talk at their rallys. They have some blame to share about this guy but its not their fault. There are nutjobs in every party.

I don't think most tea partiers want a violent overthrow of the governnment or want to start blowing up government offices. It was just a nutjob doing what nutjob's do.

And lib protests have certainly tolerated violence as well. I don't remember a lib protest here at the plaza that didn't have at least one Bush in a noose. Yet the tea partiers keep getting labeled as violent racists by the media.

I don't remember a SINGLE tea party protest that required tear gas. I don't remember a SINGLE tea party protest that ended with injuries or damaged property. But yet again, tea partiers are labeled as violent racists. It's ridiculous.

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 07:25 PM
I was absolutely appalled at the fact CNN did not want to condemn this as an act of terrorism.

****ing ridiculous.

I agree. If this isn't an act of terrorism, I don't know what is.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 07:25 PM
You're honestly going to deny that you weren't trying to connect dots between Beck and violence? If not, how do we get from an airplane crash in the US to the French Revolution?

The connections between Beck and violence have been addressed by many before me. Beck addressed it again today. I pointed out what Beck said, and speculated why he said it.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 07:26 PM
By the way, banyon, if you need a reminder of what hysterics and ad hominems look like, you could do worse than to read Jenson's ravings.

Agreed. Emphatically.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 07:28 PM
Funny, his statement also resembles some of the gripes of the left. He doesn't like our modern healthcare system, doesn't like organized religion, doesn't like big corporations. But go ahead and paint him as anything but a loon.

I painted him as someone whose complaints echo in similar ways the gripes of the Tea Party movement. I didn't say he was a Republican. I didn't say he was a conservative. I didn't say he was a Tea Party member.

Saul Good
02-18-2010, 07:28 PM
The connections between Beck and violence have been addressed by many before me. Beck addressed it again today. I pointed out what Beck said, and speculated why he said it.

You also insinuated that he didn't mean it.

Saul Good
02-18-2010, 07:29 PM
I painted him as someone whose complaints echo in similar ways the gripes of the Tea Party movement. I didn't say he was a Republican. I didn't say he was a conservative. I didn't say he was a Tea Party member.

Tea Partiers complain about religion and big corporations?

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 07:31 PM
or that there wasn't one arrest or incident at any Tea Party across the Nation.

Come on stevieray, you just know the tea partiers are violent racists. Even if they haven't shown it yet. You just know they are. Ask Olberman. All those peaceful protests are just an act.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-18-2010, 07:33 PM
They probably wanted to when they thought he was a conservative, but when they found out that he wasn't Christian, they probably thought better of it.

ROFL....

jjjayb
02-18-2010, 07:34 PM
I painted him as someone whose complaints echo in similar ways the gripes of the Tea Party movement. I didn't say he was a Republican. I didn't say he was a conservative. I didn't say he was a Tea Party member.

And I've painted him as someone whose complaints echo in similar ways the gripes of the progressive movement. I didn't say he was a democrat, I didn't say he was a liberal. I didn't say he was a progressive.

Jenson71
02-18-2010, 07:34 PM
You also insinuated that he didn't mean it.

Oh, I'm very sure Beck doesn't want to see violence. Beck's number one interest is not understanding American society or understanding American history. It's selling his product. It's his media empire. Sporadic redneck violence can only damage and discredit his empire. Humanitarian pleas for reasonable discourse "like our Founders" is the best image he can put out there after something like this.