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HonestChieffan
02-26-2010, 09:14 AM
Ouchies again. or is it still...http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll




http://www.weaselzippers.net/.a/6a00e008c6b4e5883401310f3e7cbd970c-800wi

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20. For President Obama, the Approval Index has been lower only once.
Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. That matches the lowest level of total approval yet measured for this President. Fifty-five percent (55%) disapprove.

banyon
02-26-2010, 09:18 AM
I thought you guys liked to criticize Clinton for making decisions based on polling data, no?

HonestChieffan
02-26-2010, 09:20 AM
Clinton?

Donger
02-26-2010, 09:24 AM
I thought you guys liked to criticize Clinton for making decisions based on polling data, no?

Clinton actually moved toward the center when his numbers tanked.

banyon
02-26-2010, 09:24 AM
Clinton?

Yeah, he was our president for a while a few years back.

HonestChieffan
02-26-2010, 09:25 AM
Oh. That would explain Obamas numbers how?

banyon
02-26-2010, 09:27 AM
Clinton actually moved toward the center when his numbers tanked.

Obama hasn't?

They scaled back their health reform dramatically, eliminating the public option and expansion of coverage and are now even considering getting rid of the preexisting condition coverage requirement. They've scaled it back so much that they've lost much support (including mine) on the left.

He's also been ultra-aggressive in the GWOT and recently reaffirming the Patriot Act.

What has he done that is so far-left?

banyon
02-26-2010, 09:27 AM
Oh. That would explain Obamas numbers how?

It wasn't an attempt to. it was a question you didn't want to answer, for obvious partisan reasons.

blaise
02-26-2010, 09:29 AM
I thought you guys liked to criticize Clinton for making decisions based on polling data, no?

You guys? Oh, all the racists and morons.

banyon
02-26-2010, 09:30 AM
You guys? Oh, all the racists and morons.

Are you? I didn't know that I had called you that.

Donger
02-26-2010, 09:30 AM
Obama hasn't?

They scaled back their health reform dramatically, eliminating the public option and expansion of coverage and are now even considering getting rid of the preexisting condition coverage requirement. They've scaled it back so much that they've lost much support (including mine) on the left.

He's also been ultra-aggressive in the GWOT and recently reaffirming the Patriot Act.

What has he done that is so far-left?

I'd imagine that we differ on this, but I don't consider subsidizing 30 million new people with health insurance as an example of moving toward the center. Compare that with what Clinton did (simply giving up).

alnorth
02-26-2010, 09:31 AM
Oh. That would explain Obamas numbers how?

I immediately thought of Clinton too when I saw this topic.

Obviously this topic is intended to convey the message of "Obama doesn't care about the polls, he doesnt care what the people think, he's mad with power and will do whatever he wants!"

However, when Clinton was in office, the big criticism is that Clinton had no intrinsic political belief, all he wanted was to be president and he seemingly would stick his finger in the air and do whatever the people wanted to stay popular.

HonestChieffan
02-26-2010, 09:32 AM
It wasn't an attempt to. it was a question you didn't want to answer, for obvious partisan reasons.

Not sure this poll addressed Clinton. Maybe we need you to start a special thread on Clinton cause it wont get appropriate attention in a thread about Obamas number deline

HonestChieffan
02-26-2010, 09:34 AM
I immediately thought of Clinton too when I saw this topic.

Obviously this topic is intended to convey the message of "Obama doesn't care about the polls, he doesnt care what the people think, he's mad with power and will do whatever he wants!"

However, when Clinton was in office, the big criticism is that Clinton had no intrinsic political belief, all he wanted was to be president and he seemingly would stick his finger in the air and do whatever the people wanted to stay popular.

It seems there is some comparison. You are right. Obama has seemingly done little that people want. Maybe that explains the lack of support for him right now.

blaise
02-26-2010, 09:35 AM
Are you? I didn't know that I had called you that.

I know, you just like to be deliberately vague with that stuff to paint a picture that a certain group thinks a certain way. It's great, without naming names of people you're saying are racist or morons, and posting things like "let's all have a KKK meeting" in the thread, you can actually implicitly accuse a large group of people without the responsibility of accusing a certain person.
Kind of like saying "you guys" liked criticising Clinton over making decisions based on polls.

Amnorix
02-26-2010, 09:41 AM
What has he done that is so far-left?


He's a SOCIALIST. HE'S SOCIALIZING EVERYTHING. NO, WAIT, HE'S A COMMUNIST. COMMUNIZING EVERYTHING. BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT, WOULD YOU COMRADE, BECAUSE YOU'RE REDDER THAN RED, AND I SAY BETTER BREAD THAN DEAD. WAIT, NO, DEAD THAN RED. BETTER THAN, I MEAN.

*bwack*skyfalling*bwackbwack*

alnorth
02-26-2010, 09:41 AM
It seems there is some comparison. You are right. Obama has seemingly done little that people want. Maybe that explains the lack of support for him right now.

Pretty much, and I'm fine with that. Not the whole "we'll do massive health care reform come hell or high water" part, but more of "look folks, you elected me, I wasn't hiding my politics from you, now I'm going to do my job."

Imagine if a Republican was elected, among other things, on the whole typical low taxes, low spending, do something about out-of-control entitlement spending before we are bankrupt platform. Then lets suppose revenue for entitlements (medicare withholding) plunges, bringing the time of reckoning decades earlier than expected, and lets suppose the whims of the popular mob turn and all the polls show that the people want huge tax increases on "big business" and "the rich" to pay for a few more decades. I would hope that the Republican president wouldn't gutlessly pull a Clinton, and be more like Obama. Stick to your guns, do what you think is right, and if you lose re-election because the people have lost their minds, oh well.

Donger
02-26-2010, 09:50 AM
He's a SOCIALIST. HE'S SOCIALIZING EVERYTHING. NO, WAIT, HE'S A COMMUNIST. COMMUNIZING EVERYTHING. BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT, WOULD YOU COMRADE, BECAUSE YOU'RE REDDER THAN RED, AND I SAY BETTER BREAD THAN DEAD. WAIT, NO, DEAD THAN RED. BETTER THAN, I MEAN.

*bwack*skyfalling*bwackbwack*

Thanks for the summation, Amno.

Amnorix
02-26-2010, 09:53 AM
Thanks for the summation, Amno.

I'm here for ya.

oh, and I missed one: AND BESIDES, HE WAS BORN IN NIGERIA. WHICH ISN'T EVEN ONE OF THE 57 STATES, BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Donger
02-26-2010, 09:55 AM
I'm here for ya.

oh, and I missed one: AND BESIDES, HE WAS BORN IN NIGERIA. WHICH ISN'T EVEN ONE OF THE 57 STATES, BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

LMAO

banyon
02-26-2010, 10:11 AM
Not sure this poll addressed Clinton. Maybe we need you to start a special thread on Clinton cause it wont get appropriate attention in a thread about Obamas number deline

Where did I say the poll addressed Clinton? Who made you the commissioner of special thread posting requirements?

Don't answer the question. Ignore it. That's the main thing.

Do you really want a president who decides what to do based on what the polls tell him, yes or no?

(DO NOT, WHATEVER YOU DO, ANSWER THIS QUESTION, IT WILL IRREPARABLY DESTROY YOU. IGNORE IT AT ALL COSTS!!!)

HonestChieffan
02-26-2010, 10:25 AM
Where did I say the poll addressed Clinton? Who made you the commissioner of special thread posting requirements?

Don't answer the question. Ignore it. That's the main thing.

Do you really want a president who decides what to do based on what the polls tell him, yes or no?

(DO NOT, WHATEVER YOU DO, ANSWER THIS QUESTION, IT WILL IRREPARABLY DESTROY YOU. IGNORE IT AT ALL COSTS!!!)


I didnt say a thing regarding his decisons and polls. I posted a poll that shows he continues to decline in popularity.

I went back to the OP and see nothing that leads one to that discussion or to any reference to Clinton.

I do think elected officials should understand the will of the people who they represent be that polls they trust or interaction through letters, personal contact, phone calls etc. That is why I write letters to the people who represent me. Do you agree?

banyon
02-26-2010, 10:27 AM
I didnt say a thing regarding his decisons and polls. I posted a poll that shows he continues to decline in popularity.

I went back to the OP and see nothing that leads one to that discussion or to any reference to Clinton.

I do think elected officials should understand the will of the people who they represent be that polls they trust or interaction through letters, personal contact, phone calls etc. That is why I write letters to the people who represent me. Do you agree?

It was a yes or no question. I'm glad you followed my warning not to directly answer it.

Did you or did you not title your thread "Polls mean nothing when you are the O?"

Was your thread title meaningless?

How typically duplicitous.

dirk digler
02-26-2010, 10:29 AM
I do think elected officials should understand the will of the people who they represent be that polls they trust or interaction through letters, personal contact, phone calls etc. That is why I write letters to the people who represent me. Do you agree?

The will of the people was against the Iraq War and no one paid attention

Chief Henry
02-26-2010, 10:29 AM
Yeah, he was our president for a while a few years back.

Clinton, is he dead yet ?

Donger
02-26-2010, 10:31 AM
The will of the people was against the Iraq War and no one paid attention

Which one?

banyon
02-26-2010, 10:34 AM
Clinton, is he dead yet ?

Why? Are you going to celebrate it or something?

dirk digler
02-26-2010, 10:34 AM
Which one?

The last one

Donger
02-26-2010, 10:35 AM
The last one

Unless I'm wrong (and I'm never wrong), the majority of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

dirk digler
02-26-2010, 10:37 AM
Unless I'm wrong (and I'm never wrong), the majority of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

At the time they did. In the beginning of last year the majority of Americans supported comprehensive health care reform as well.

Donger
02-26-2010, 10:39 AM
At the time they did. In the beginning of last year the majority of Americans supported comprehensive health care reform as well.

At the time they did what?

You wrote: "The will of the people was against the Iraq War and no one paid attention."

Chief Henry
02-26-2010, 10:39 AM
Why? Are you going to celebrate it or something?

Just using some of the SAME language that was used in the Dick Cheney thread. Are you :deevee: or something ?

dirk digler
02-26-2010, 10:41 AM
At the time they did what?

You wrote: "The will of the people was against the Iraq War and no one paid attention."

In the beginning they supported it a year or two later they didn't.

banyon
02-26-2010, 10:41 AM
Just using some of the SAME language that was used in the Dick Cheney thread. Are you :deevee: or something ?

I think it's morbid and stupid, if that's what you mean. If it was done in the Dick Cheney thread, then it was stupid there too. I wished him well in that thread.

Donger
02-26-2010, 10:42 AM
In the beginning they supported it a year or two later they didn't.

Oh, I thought you meant that they opposed it at the beginning.

Chief Henry
02-26-2010, 10:43 AM
I think it's morbid and stupid, if that's what you mean. If it was done in the Dick Cheney thread, then it was stupid there too. I wished him well in that thread.

Thats why I posted it here.

HonestChieffan
02-26-2010, 10:43 AM
At the time they did what?

You wrote: "The will of the people was against the Iraq War and no one paid attention."

And i believe the polls would show we as a country still support the efforts in Iraq and afganistan.

Good question though, was there ever a time when the polls showed the majority of Americans against the Iraq war...asking cause i dont recall

orange
02-26-2010, 10:53 AM
And i believe the polls would show we as a country still support the efforts in Iraq and afganistan.

Good question though, was there ever a time when the polls showed the majority of Americans against the Iraq war...asking cause i dont recall

Poll: Majority of Americans want withdrawal plan for Iraq
Updated 6/26/2006 8:34 PM ET

By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON A majority of Americans say Congress should pass a resolution that outlines a plan for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken Friday through Sunday. Half of those surveyed would like all U.S. forces out within 12 months.

The poll finds support for the ideas behind Democratic proposals that were soundly defeated in the Senate last week. An uptick in optimism toward the war after the killing of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi earlier this month seems to have evaporated

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-06-26-iraq-poll_x.htm

dirk digler
02-26-2010, 10:53 AM
And i believe the polls would show we as a country still support the efforts in Iraq and afganistan.

Good question though, was there ever a time when the polls showed the majority of Americans against the Iraq war...asking cause i dont recall

yes.

A USA Today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today)/Gallup Poll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup_Poll), taken prior to the invasion in March 2003, indicated that 75% of US citizens felt the invasion was not a mistake. However, according to the same poll retaken in April 2007, 58% of the participants stated that the initial attack was a mistake.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Polling_Report_0-0">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_opinion_in_the_US_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq#cite_note-Polling_Report-0)</sup> In May, 2007, the New York Times and CBS News released similar results of a poll in which 61% of participants believed the U.S. "should have stayed out" of Iraq.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-1">[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_opinion_in_the_US_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq#cite_note-1)</sup>

orange
02-26-2010, 10:57 AM
yes.

First. :thumb:

HonestChieffan
02-26-2010, 11:05 AM
yes.

Interesting. Do you have link to the article instead of the wiki?

dirk digler
02-26-2010, 11:12 AM
Interesting. Do you have link to the article instead of the wiki?

No I just pulled it off wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_opinion_in_the_US_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq

HonestChieffan
02-26-2010, 11:13 AM
No I just pulled it off wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_opinion_in_the_US_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq

ok no problem

dirk digler
02-26-2010, 11:18 AM
ok no problem

Here is a good website I found but you will have to go back several pages.

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

Chief Henry
02-26-2010, 11:20 AM
Poll: Majority of Americans want withdrawal plan for Iraq
Updated 6/26/2006 8:34 PM ET

By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON A majority of Americans say Congress should pass a resolution that outlines a plan for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken Friday through Sunday. Half of those surveyed would like all U.S. forces out within 12 months.

The poll finds support for the ideas behind Democratic proposals that were soundly defeated in the Senate last week. An uptick in optimism toward the war after the killing of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi earlier this month seems to have evaporated

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-06-26-iraq-poll_x.htm


If Polls mean something, then we can STOP all the talk about national health care :thumb:

Amnorix
02-26-2010, 12:14 PM
Guys, guys, guys. Just remember when dealing with the right:

1. when a Republican President does stuff they like that flies in the face of the will of a majority of the electorate, he's being "resolute and steadfast" and "showing determination". Like Winston Churchill, he is rallying the country to follow him through a difficult time, and challenging them to overcome obstacles and reach for a greater glory.

2. when a Democrat does stuff that they don't like that flies in the face of the will of a majority of the electorate, he is signing his political death warrant, ignoring the will of the people and the majority rule upon which this country was founded and upon which its traditions rest. He is selfishly and arrogantly following his own blind advice and the will of his most radical followers and taking the country down a path of obvious self-destruction.

The Mad Crapper
02-26-2010, 12:15 PM
Clinton actually moved toward the center when his numbers tanked.

Yup, and Newt Gingrich balanced the budget for him yet all the moonbats gave all the credit to Blowjob Bill.

wild1
02-26-2010, 12:18 PM
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20. For President Obama, the Approval Index has been lower only once.
Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. That matches the lowest level of total approval yet measured for this President. Fifty-five percent (55%) disapprove.

I wish we could do a test case in a parallel universe of a scenario where they use the nuclear option to ram this bill through. I wonder what his ratings would do then?

Would they plummet even further? Or has support already been whittled away to only the most hardened ideologues?

blaise
02-26-2010, 12:38 PM
Guys, guys, guys. Just remember when dealing with the right:

1. when a Republican President does stuff they like that flies in the face of the will of a majority of the electorate, he's being "resolute and steadfast" and "showing determination". Like Winston Churchill, he is rallying the country to follow him through a difficult time, and challenging them to overcome obstacles and reach for a greater glory.

2. when a Democrat does stuff that they don't like that flies in the face of the will of a majority of the electorate, he is signing his political death warrant, ignoring the will of the people and the majority rule upon which this country was founded and upon which its traditions rest. He is selfishly and arrogantly following his own blind advice and the will of his most radical followers and taking the country down a path of obvious self-destruction.

yes, and to Democrats #1 is described as someone who won't be shaken from his ideals and just trying to look out for the common man who doesn't have a voice and #2 is a fascist Big Brother trying to play dictator.