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|Zach|
03-14-2010, 11:44 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/03/14/2606897/why-did-duke-receive-favorable.html

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The experts on CBS and ESPN were not at liberty Sunday night to explain to you why the NCAA Tournament selection committee treated Duke like the No. 1 overall seed rather than Kansas, the nation's best basketball team.

The explanation is simple: Duke is television ratings gold, and the NCAA is in the process of negotiating a new TV contract for its prized tournament.

CBS, the current rights holder, and ESPN, America's 24-hour national sports network - along with several other networks - are currently participating in the contract negotiations. It's a high-stakes affair. CBS paid $6 billion to exclusively broadcast the event for the last 11 years.

In an effort to hoodwink a TV network into again overpaying for the Big Dance, the NCAA is considering expanding the tourney to 96 teams.

So it's only logical that the selection committee provided the Blue Devils - tournament-chokers for most of the last decade - a relative cakewalk to the Final Four. Duke, the alleged third No. 1 seed, is in the bracket with the weakest No. 2 (Villanova) and No. 3 (Baylor) and No. 4 (Purdue).

Meanwhile, the Jayhawks draw No. 2 seed Ohio State, the team many believe deserved a No. 1, and No. 3 Georgetown and No. 4 Maryland. Every expert I heard Sunday stated the obvious: Kansas is in the toughest bracket in the tournament, and Duke is in the easiest.

Why?

"Duke and (North) Carolina bring big built-in audiences to TV sets," CBS programmer Mike Aresco told a USA Today reporter last year in explaining CBS' 2009 tournament ratings bump.

The NCAA needs another bump.

During the last 15 years, the NBA has stripped the college game of name-brand, ratings-generating players to showcase. Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant and LeBron James skipped college ball altogether.

Kevin Durant, Greg Oden, Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley and Stephen Curry - to name just a few - could all conceivably still be looking for one last shining moment in front of Jim Nantz and Clark Kellogg. Instead, they're NBA millionaires, leaving the NCAA to promote legendary coaches and tradition-rich programs.

No coach and no team move the needle better than Mike Krzyzewski and the Duke Blue Devils.
They're the Tiger Woods of hoops, a squeaky-clean fantasy that sports fans love and love to hate.

Short of Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, Coach K and his All-American Boys have been the NCAA's best box-office draw. Duke's 1992 victory over Michigan is the second-most-watched championship game after Magic-Bird. Duke's loss to Arkansas in 1994 is fourth.

I know. Around here, we're quite proud of Kansas' rich tradition. The Jayhawks produced Dr. Naismith, Wilt Chamberlain and Danny Manning. Kansas owns three NCAA titles. And just about everyone agrees Bill Self is as good a coach as there is.

Kansas fails the squeaky-clean charade.

Larry Brown hired Danny Manning's dad and left the program on probation. We still don't know for sure how Darrell Arthur passed 10th-grade algebra. And then there's that whole thing about Kansas being the favorite team of porn stars.

On a more serious note, Duke (and North Carolina to a lesser degree) score higher on the old "eyeball" test. Fewer tattoos and more white guys.

I just made many of you uncomfortable. Sorry. But it's a fact.

It's no different from Tiger Woods' brown skin in a traditionally white-skin sport sending golf ratings (and sponsorship dollars) skyrocketing. Coach K and his band of Boys Next Door are the Great White Hopes of Hoops. Three of Duke's five starters are white. Their top two scorers are white.

I'm not complaining. I'm not anti-Duke at all. I would love to have a son play for Coach K. It would mean that my son excelled athletically and academically. Plus, I respect Coach K.

But let's deal with the reality of why Duke was given a favorable draw. The NCAA is desperate for television ratings. The $6 billion CBS paid over 11 years financed a lot things the NCAA likes to do - stuff like propping up non-revenue sports.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the NCAA mandated that Christian Laettner, Grant Hill and Shane Battier referee all of the Blue Devils' tournament games.

This is the price of television being in total control of the sports world. At contract time, the NCAA Tournament isn't much different from "American Idol."

Ebolapox
03-14-2010, 11:48 PM
I hate duke too, but to bitch about them being a 1 seed (over who? west virginia? ohio state? seriously?) is asinine. hell, bitch about west virginia not being the top number 2 seed if you'd like--but duke was put about the right spot.

|Zach|
03-14-2010, 11:50 PM
I hate duke too, but to bitch about them being a 1 seed (over who? west virginia? ohio state? seriously?) is asinine. hell, bitch about west virginia not being the top number 2 seed if you'd like--but duke was put about the right spot.

I don't think he was making the point they didn't deserve a #1 seed.

Ebolapox
03-14-2010, 11:51 PM
I don't think he was making the point they didn't deserve a #1 seed.

what, he complaining that they're the third number one seed instead of the fourth? what effing difference does it make?

|Zach|
03-14-2010, 11:52 PM
what, he complaining that they're the third number one seed instead of the fourth? what effing difference does it make?

Did you even read the article?

Mecca
03-14-2010, 11:52 PM
He's not bitching that they are a 1 seed, he's bitching that they were given the #1 overall seed, which has them in the easy bracket.

|Zach|
03-14-2010, 11:53 PM
He's not bitching that they are a 1 seed, he's bitching that they were given the #1 overall seed, which has them in the easy bracket.

They were not given the number 1 overall seed. Kansas was given that.

Seriously...is reading this hard for everyone here?

Ebolapox
03-14-2010, 11:54 PM
Did you even read the article?

I did. I also heard on the radio that they were given the third overall 1 seed. espn radio had some b-ball guru (I think doug gottlieb) going over the brackets, mentioned that they didn't do the traditional bracketing this year--said it was more regionally done than usual this year.

Mecca
03-14-2010, 11:55 PM
The argument is that Duke really has the #1 overall seed when you look at the bracket regardless of how it's claimed that Kansas has it.

Looking for an argument that doesn't exist there Zach?

Sure-Oz
03-14-2010, 11:56 PM
Kansas seems to have the hardest bracket lol and Syracuse should be in Dukes spot

DeezNutz
03-14-2010, 11:57 PM
They were not given the number 1 overall seed. Kansas was given that.

Seriously...is reading this hard for everyone here?

Mecca isn't being as precise with his language, but his overall statement is right.

Whitlock is arguing that KU's #1 overall seed is largely a farce because Duke is the de facto #1, with the easiest draw to get to the FF, in an effort to boost ratings.

|Zach|
03-14-2010, 11:57 PM
The argument is that Duke really has the #1 overall seed when you look at the bracket regardless of how it's claimed that Kansas has it.

Looking for an argument that doesn't exist there Zach?

Not looking for an argument. Just trying to correct people that don't seem to know what is going on.

He's not bitching that they are a 1 seed, he's bitching that they were given the #1 overall seed, which has them in the easy bracket.
Remember, this is what I responded too.

|Zach|
03-14-2010, 11:58 PM
Mecca isn't being as precise with his language, but his overall statement is right.

Whitlock is arguing that KU's #1 overall seed is largely a farce because Duke is the de facto #1, with the easiest draw to get to the FF, in an effort to boost ratings.

Yes, I agree. I can only respond to what someone types though. As you can see from my other post. ROFL

Saccopoo
03-14-2010, 11:58 PM
Wow. This is the most insightful article I've seen from Whitlock in a while. Perhaps the Star needs to take him off the Chiefs for a season or two just to get the guy back on the journalistic path versus pushing him over the edge due to some mystery vendetta he has with the Chiefs front office.

Mecca
03-14-2010, 11:58 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that regardless of what they publicly say when Duke's bracket looks like that, which team really has the #1 overall seed.

|Zach|
03-14-2010, 11:59 PM
Wow. This is the most insightful article I've seen from Whitlock in a while. Perhaps the Star needs to take him off the Chiefs for a season or two just to get the guy back on the journalistic path versus pushing him over the edge due to some mystery vendetta he has with the Chiefs front office.

That would be a really good point if someone did start with this for almost every column the guy writes. :LOL:

Saccopoo
03-15-2010, 12:01 AM
And actually, if you look at KU's bracket, not only does it have the most top heavy configuration, it also has the only two teams that beat KU in the regular season in that bracket in Tennessee and Oklahoma State.

The Duke bracket is completely watered down.

T-post Tom
03-15-2010, 01:55 AM
"Fewer tattoos and more white guys."

Isn't that a Wesley Snipes/Woody Harrelson movie?

petegz28
03-15-2010, 02:06 AM
Yes, I read the article. Yes, Whitlock is correct. KU got fucked! As most of you know I am nothing near a KU fan but they got fucked. There is no reason they should not have been given the easiest bracket if they truly are the #1 of #1's.

stevieray
03-15-2010, 02:24 AM
"Fewer tattoos and more white guys."

Isn't that a Wesley Snipes/Woody Harrelson movie?maybe someday every athlete will be black and we won't have to worry about diversity.

Short Leash Hootie
03-15-2010, 04:05 AM
They were not given the number 1 overall seed. Kansas was given that.

Seriously...is reading this hard for everyone here?

LOL

I was thinking the same thing after the first couple of replies...

Did they even read the article?

Christ...

Short Leash Hootie
03-15-2010, 04:06 AM
I pick KU to win every year...

Perhaps this is the year (and the year almost everyone else will pick them anyways) I go against it to try and snipe some brackets for once...

irishjayhawk
03-15-2010, 05:52 AM
Like I said, Ohio State being a #4 #2 is an absolute farce. Duke being a #3 #1 is equally as bad.

The fact that they're reasonably related is hard get past.

alanm
03-15-2010, 07:55 AM
What gets me is they can think about expanding to 96 teams and have players miss up till the second week of April almost. But we sure as hell can't have a football playoff. :rolleyes::spock:

Saulbadguy
03-15-2010, 08:12 AM
On a more serious note, Duke (and North Carolina to a lesser degree) score higher on the old "eyeball" test. Fewer tattoos and more white guys.

Stopped reading here. Terrible article, IMO. It makes no sense.

Fritz88
03-15-2010, 08:20 AM
It's going to be tough for Kansas. I doubt we'll make it past elite 8 this year.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 08:20 AM
So we're still ignoring the fact that those tougher teams are in a part of the bracket that KU will never see, eh?

And in fact, those teams are going to beat the piss out of each other, further ensuring that KU will get a tired, banged up squad in the Elite 8.

Just because you guys drew an NIT slate in the 2008 championship run doesn't mean you deserve one every season. This is a bunch of bitching over nothing. Ohio State can complain about getting a screw job, not KU.

!@#$ing whiny-ass beakers.

Deberg_1990
03-15-2010, 08:42 AM
Duke (and North Carolina to a lesser degree) score higher on the old "eyeball" test. Fewer tattoos and more white guys.

I just made many of you uncomfortable. Sorry. But it's a fact.



:facepalm:

Reerun_KC
03-15-2010, 08:44 AM
Duke isnt going to make it to the FF or the Final...

Lzen
03-15-2010, 08:56 AM
Just because you guys drew an NIT slate in the 2008 championship run doesn't mean you deserve one every season.

Retard alert!

Demonpenz
03-15-2010, 09:13 AM
I am not reading the article, but it shouldn't be a surprise. Everything is about money. The money thing starts about when these kids are in 6th grade now.

PunkinDrublic
03-15-2010, 09:25 AM
I can already feel the onslaught of coach K and Puke worshipping throughout the tourney. Ugh.

Jerm
03-15-2010, 09:30 AM
Gonna be funny when Baylor beats them and makes it to the FF.
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CoMoChief
03-15-2010, 09:38 AM
Gonna be funny when Baylor beats them and makes it to the FF.
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I hate Duke as much as anyone. But they would beat Baylor

cmh6476
03-15-2010, 09:41 AM
to be the best, you got to beat the best

patteeu
03-15-2010, 09:46 AM
So we're still ignoring the fact that those tougher teams are in a part of the bracket that KU will never see, eh?

And in fact, those teams are going to beat the piss out of each other, further ensuring that KU will get a tired, banged up squad in the Elite 8.

Just because you guys drew an NIT slate in the 2008 championship run doesn't mean you deserve one every season. This is a bunch of bitching over nothing. Ohio State can complain about getting a screw job, not KU.

!@#$ing whiny-ass beakers.

Correct.

Demonpenz
03-15-2010, 09:48 AM
to be the best, you got to beat the best

.

RJ
03-15-2010, 10:18 AM
What's the big deal? Ask any ACC fan how much favoritism there is toward Duke year in and year out. This is nothing new, just more noticeable.

sedated
03-15-2010, 10:26 AM
Just because you guys drew an NIT slate in the 2008 championship run doesn't mean you deserve one every season.

ROFL

yeah, having to play the overwhelming favorite in the final four was our lucky day. and the hottest player in the tournament in the elite 8. and the #1 overall pick of the draft in the championship.

typical ku hate.

CosmicPal
03-15-2010, 10:28 AM
I believe it was KU that won the last FF series that included ALL four #1 seeds. If I remember correctly, wasn't that the only time all #1 seeds made it to the FF?

You don't get respect unless you beat the best. I'd rather see KU win it all by going thru the toughest bracket than getting a cake-walk.

Pants
03-15-2010, 10:30 AM
I believe it was KU that won the last FF series that included ALL four #1 seeds. If I remember correctly, wasn't that the only time all #1 seeds made it to the FF?

You don't get respect unless you beat the best. I'd rather see KU win it all by going thru the toughest bracket than getting a cake-walk.

It's a good motivational tool for Coach Self too, I imagine.

sedated
03-15-2010, 10:35 AM
Honestly, KU didn’t get it that bad and Duke didn’t get it that good. Sure Duke got an easy 4 with Purdue, but someone had to get them because they weren’t dropping any lower, and it can be argued that Maryland is actually worse.

Having to play Cal or Louisville in the 2nd round is pretty rough. I’m happier facing N. Iowa or UNLV, thank you very much.

Michigan State is a tough 5, but so is Texas A&M.

And as has been pointed out before, the tough matchups in the region are on the other side of the bracket. Out of the 2 scary teams (Ohio State and Georgetown) and the 2 teams that beat us (Okie State and Tennessee), we will only see one of them. Let them beat each other up.

Pants
03-15-2010, 10:44 AM
Honestly, KU didn’t get it that bad and Duke didn’t get it that good. Sure Duke got an easy 4 with Purdue, but someone had to get them because they weren’t dropping any lower, and it can be argued that Maryland is actually worse.

Having to play Cal or Louisville in the 2nd round is pretty rough. I’m happier facing N. Iowa or UNLV, thank you very much.

Michigan State is a tough 5, but so is Texas A&M.

And as has been pointed out before, the tough matchups in the region are on the other side of the bracket. Out of the 2 scary teams (Ohio State and Georgetown) and the 2 teams that beat us (Okie State and Tennessee), we will only see one of them. Let them beat each other up.

UNI is better than both Cal and Louisville. But it's all moot. The fact is, our bracket is the toughest and that's OK.

CoMoChief
03-15-2010, 10:53 AM
I believe it was KU that won the last FF series that included ALL four #1 seeds. If I remember correctly, wasn't that the only time all #1 seeds made it to the FF?

You don't get respect unless you beat the best. I'd rather see KU win it all by going thru the toughest bracket than getting a cake-walk.

KU had an fairly easy road to the final four that year. Portland St (IIRC), UNLV, Wisconsin, Davidson (they were better than their seeding was IMO)

Having that said, once in the final 4, they arguably beat the best 2 teams (other than KU of course) in the country in UNC and Memphis, both whom spent most of the season at #1 going into the tourney.

RJ
03-15-2010, 10:53 AM
[QUOTE=sedated;6605203]Honestly, KU didn’t get it that bad and Duke didn’t get it that good. Sure Duke got an easy 4 with Purdue, but someone had to get them because they weren’t dropping any lower, and it can be argued that Maryland is actually worse.
QUOTE]


Maybe, but Maryland just beat Duke two weeks ago.

sedated
03-15-2010, 10:59 AM
Maybe, but Maryland just beat Duke two weeks ago.

...in Maryland...on senior night.

and Oklahoma State beat KU around that same time.

RJ
03-15-2010, 11:15 AM
...in Maryland...on senior night.

and Oklahoma State beat KU around that same time.


I'll go out on a limb and say that Duke would rather play Purdue than Maryland.

But I've been hating Duke for at least 30 years so I'm a bit biased. I officially started hating them when a couple of Dukies undercut Maryland's Buck Williams at the buzzer to win the ACC tourney back around 1980 or so. There was, of course, no call on the play. There have been a lot of those plays since. F@cking Duke. They're right up there with the Raiders, Donx and Yankees for me.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 11:34 AM
ROFL

yeah, having to play the overwhelming favorite in the final four was our lucky day. and the hottest player in the tournament in the elite 8. and the #1 overall pick of the draft in the championship.

typical ku hate.

You played nobody higher than an 8 seed to advance to the Final 4 and yet still refuse to acknowledge that you had about the easiest run to the NCAA title in history. Unreal.

Sure, beating UNC and Memphis took some doing, but UNC pissed itself in the first half and Memphis is simple FTs away from sending you guys home.

Look, you beat who you had to beat, KU couldn't have done any more than that. At the same time, it's laughable to me that you folks still won't acknowledge that you got butt-****ing lucky through the first 4 rounds of that tourney and advanced to the final 4 fresh as can be because you never faced a true test.

I'm sorry that you guys may actually have to beat a quality opponent to get to the final 4 this year. Sure sucks for you guys.

WilliamTheIrish
03-15-2010, 11:39 AM
Whitlock must be the gold bullion Lew carries that Can was talking about. Carry that water JW!

Pants
03-15-2010, 11:50 AM
You played nobody higher than an 8 seed to advance to the Final 4 and yet still refuse to acknowledge that you had about the easiest run to the NCAA title in history. Unreal.

Sure, beating UNC and Memphis took some doing, but UNC pissed itself in the first half and Memphis is simple FTs away from sending you guys home.

Look, you beat who you had to beat, KU couldn't have done any more than that. At the same time, it's laughable to me that you folks still won't acknowledge that you got butt-****ing lucky through the first 4 rounds of that tourney and advanced to the final 4 fresh as can be because you never faced a true test.

I'm sorry that you guys may actually have to beat a quality opponent to get to the final 4 this year. Sure sucks for you guys.

Damn dude, there are better things to be bitter about. Who wore down UNC and Memphis that year? And I like how you give no credit to KU for demolishing UNC - they just pissed themselves. ROFL Cole Aldrich and the bigs man-handling Psycho T might have had something to do with that. It's also nice that you give Davidson no credit, considering they had a guard that's absolutely lighting up the league right now.

If anything, that was one of the hardest NC's a team had to earn.

:facepalm:

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 12:02 PM
Damn dude, there are better things to be bitter about. Who wore down UNC and Memphis that year? And I like how you give no credit to KU for demolishing UNC - they just pissed themselves. ROFL Cole Aldrich and the bigs man-handling Psycho T might have had something to do with that. It's also nice that you give Davidson no credit, considering they had a guard that's absolutely lighting up the league right now.

If anything, that was one of the hardest NC's a team had to earn.

:facepalm:

HAHAHAHAHA

I cannot believe you can say that kind of crap with a straight face. "The hardest NC a team's had to earn..."

Gimme a break. Stephen Curry is a mindless chucker that shot Davidson right out of that game. Had he not shown up at all, they'd have had a better shot at winning it. I couldn't care less what he's doing in the NBA (though he's doing the same thing, still a mindless chucker). He was a complete liability that night.

And yeah, Aldridge crushed Hansbrough. But did you actually watch UNC play that game? They were flat out dropping balls and dribbling the ball off their feet in the open court (twice). Had KU played that game the way UNC did, you'd be saying right now that they lost the game rather than UNC won it. It was possibly the worst half of basketball I've ever seen from a strong club. And again, Memphis outplayed KU and then choked. Once again, switch roles and you'd be saying that KU gave the game away, not that Memphis won it.

L.A. Chieffan
03-15-2010, 12:06 PM
wow duke gets a favorable seed because of tv ratings. shocking.

next thing youll tell me is the nba wants kobe and lebron in the finals. crazy talk!

sedated
03-15-2010, 12:08 PM
You played nobody higher than an 8 seed to advance to the Final 4 and yet still refuse to acknowledge that you had about the easiest run to the NCAA title in history. Unreal.

Sure, beating UNC and Memphis took some doing, but UNC pissed itself in the first half and Memphis is simple FTs away from sending you guys home.

Dude, whoever wins and advances to the next round deserves to be there. Ask all the teams the Davidson knocked out whether or not they were legit. You get stuck on the seed number next to their name, but go back and look at who they played in the regular season and what the final scores were.

KU would have...and did...beat anyone and everyone they had to that year. Hopefully this year is the same.

If its so easy to get the the F4, why hasn't MU done it? Ever? You'd think in all these years they would have "gotten lucky" too.


Keep on believing whatever gets you to sleep at night. You're just bitter, and I'm sorry for that.

Pants
03-15-2010, 12:15 PM
HAHAHAHAHA

I cannot believe you can say that kind of crap with a straight face. "The hardest NC a team's had to earn..."

Gimme a break. Stephen Curry is a mindless chucker that shot Davidson right out of that game. Had he not shown up at all, they'd have had a better shot at winning it. I couldn't care less what he's doing in the NBA (though he's doing the same thing, still a mindless chucker). He was a complete liability that night.

And yeah, Aldridge crushed Hansbrough. But did you actually watch UNC play that game? They were flat out dropping balls and dribbling the ball off their feet in the open court (twice). Had KU played that game the way UNC did, you'd be saying right now that they lost the game rather than UNC won it. It was possibly the worst half of basketball I've ever seen from a strong club. And again, Memphis outplayed KU and then choked. Once again, switch roles and you'd be saying that KU gave the game away, not that Memphis won it.

Holy shit, dude. That is borderline bat-shit crazy type bitterness.

Extra Point
03-15-2010, 12:15 PM
It'll be moot when Louisville beats Duke.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 12:17 PM
Holy shit, dude. That is borderline bat-shit crazy type bitterness.

Holy shit, dude - that is like borderline bat-shit crazy type non-responsive.

Yet again, you've come out completely devoid of a point and have resorted to calling folks bitter. You've done it to me twice and I've seen you do it a couple other times to others.

You might want to start actually bringing some substance to a debate, you'll sound a lot less like a broken record that way.

To each their own...

vailpass
03-15-2010, 12:18 PM
Holy shit, dude. That is borderline bat-shit crazy type bitterness.

You saying Memphis didn't choke away that game?

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 12:24 PM
You saying Memphis didn't choke away that game?

Evidently.

And the whole "Arizona State knocking off 3 #1 seeds that actually played good basketball" thing evidently pales in comparison to the Greatest Championship Run in History pulled off by KU's mighty destruction of a bunch of bottom half of the bracket squads. I'm sure Memphis having to get through an 8, a 5 and a 2 to even make the Final 4 (while KU was playing a Villanova squad that shouldn't have made the tournament and Davidson's 1-man army) had nothing to do with their legs not being under them when they were shooting those FTs.

He'd need to actually resort to bringing fact to the party in order to rebut any of that, though.

HC_Chief
03-15-2010, 12:25 PM
Holy shit, dude. That is borderline bat-shit crazy type bitterness.

LOL

No doubt. I especially like the "Memphis outplayed KU then choked" line. Apparently DJ did not watch the game... KU led for ~30 minutes; they jumped all over Memphis early. Memphis took the lead with 8 minutes to go in the second half; they led for under 10 minutes.

KU tied the game with SEVERAL great plays (Collins steal, Collins three, Chalmers three to send it to OT). They then proceeded to kick Memphis' ass in five minutes of OT.

Check the game line: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=284000063

Pants
03-15-2010, 12:27 PM
Holy shit, dude - that is like borderline bat-shit crazy type non-responsive.

Yet again, you've come out completely devoid of a point and have resorted to calling folks bitter. You've done it to me twice and I've seen you do it a couple other times to others.

You might want to start actually bringing some substance to a debate, you'll sound a lot less like a broken record that way.

To each their own...

Dude, the things I have to say are completely obvious to anyone who's not acting retarded. Memphis choked? Yeah, they missed some freethrows, the fact is, KU staged one of the most epic comebacks in NCAA history against a very strong opponent. And even if you disregard that effort, ere you going to discount every NC that was won/lost on freethrows? Because freethrows, my friend, are a part of the game as is dealing with pressure. KU outplayed Memphis in the last 7 minutes of the game which was enough to win the NC and rightfully so.

Same goes for UNC, they were shell-shocked in the first half, they had sloppy plays and so did we. The fact is, they got DOMINATED when they were favored to win the whole thing.

Davidson - my point stands, they got to EE because Steph was, clearly, a liability and is still a liability to the NBA team that drafted him. JFC.

And as far as the useless bit of the quoted post, I remember admitting I misread your post regarding KSU freethrows, but way to bring it up anyway, champ.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 12:34 PM
Dude, the things I have to say are completely obvious to anyone who's not acting retarded. Memphis choked? Yeah, they missed some freethrows, the fact is, KU staged one of the most epic comebacks in NCAA history against a very strong opponent. And even if you disregard that effort, ere you going to discount every NC that was won/lost on freethrows? Because freethrows, my friend, are a part of the game as is dealing with pressure. KU outplayed Memphis in the last 7 minutes of the game which was enough to win the NC and rightfully so.

Same goes for UNC, they were shell-shocked in the first half, they had sloppy plays and so did we. The fact is, they got DOMINATED when they were favored to win the whole thing.

Davidson - my point stands, they got to EE because Steph was, clearly, a liability and is still a liability to the NBA team that drafted him. JFC.

"Stephon Curry played well in a few games prior to ours, so he must've been awesome against KU". There's no way you watched that game and can come away touting Curry. He played absolutely horrid basketball. Haven't I already educated you regarding your lack of reading comprehension? "He was a complete liability that night" Your 'point' doesn't stand for shit.

And UNC wasn't shell-shocked, they were unprepared because Roy spent the whole damn week waxing poetic about Kansas. Again, from the opening tip they were throwing balls at each other's ankles and bouncing them off their feet. I don't care how well you play defense, that's a preparation issue. These aren't JUCO kids. When you play at the higher levels, no amount of defense will get you playing that poorly. It may lead to some ugly ball, but not that ugly.

Can you honestly say that, had the roles been reversed and Kansas played like UNC and/or Memphis did in either of those games, you'd have posted that UNC/Memphis beat KU?

Hell no you wouldn't. You'd be yacking about how KU gave the game away.

Because that's exactly what those two squads did.

HC_Chief
03-15-2010, 12:37 PM
"Stephon Curry played well in a few games prior to ours, so he must've been awesome against KU". There's no way you watched that game and can come away touting Curry. He played absolutely horrid basketball. Haven't I already educated you regarding your lack of reading comprehension? "He was a complete liability that night" Your 'point' doesn't stand for shit.

And UNC wasn't shell-shocked, they were unprepared because Roy spent the whole damn week waxing poetic about Kansas. Again, from the opening tip they were throwing balls at each other's ankles and bouncing them off their feet. I don't care how well you play defense, that's a preparation issue. These aren't JUCO kids. When you play at the higher levels, no amount of defense will get you playing that poorly. It may lead to some ugly ball, but not that ugly.

Can you honestly say that, had the roles been reversed and Kansas played like UNC and/or Memphis did in either of those games, you'd have posted that UNC/Memphis beat KU?

Hell no you wouldn't. You'd be yacking about how KU gave the game away.

Because that's exactly what those two squads did.

You're one of thos f*cktards that bought a Bucknell/Bradley tee aren't ya? :D

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 12:39 PM
You're one of thos f*cktards that bought a Bucknell/Bradley tee aren't ya? :D

They were selling those?!?!?

HC_Chief
03-15-2010, 12:48 PM
They were selling those?!?!?

Riiiight

I'm not surprised you think KU "lucked" their way to a NC; "they out-rebounded us, whether they were over the back or not" - Coach waaaAnderson

Pants
03-15-2010, 12:48 PM
"Stephon Curry played well in a few games prior to ours, so he must've been awesome against KU". There's no way you watched that game and can come away touting Curry. He played absolutely horrid basketball. Haven't I already educated you regarding your lack of reading comprehension? "He was a complete liability that night" Your 'point' doesn't stand for shit.

And UNC wasn't shell-shocked, they were unprepared because Roy spent the whole damn week waxing poetic about Kansas. Again, from the opening tip they were throwing balls at each other's ankles and bouncing them off their feet. I don't care how well you play defense, that's a preparation issue. These aren't JUCO kids. When you play at the higher levels, no amount of defense will get you playing that poorly. It may lead to some ugly ball, but not that ugly.

Can you honestly say that, had the roles been reversed and Kansas played like UNC and/or Memphis did in either of those games, you'd have posted that UNC/Memphis beat KU?

Hell no you wouldn't. You'd be yacking about how KU gave the game away.

Because that's exactly what those two squads did.

Kansas turnovers in UNC game = 19. Guess how many UNC had? Ok, so, hopefully that's settled. Or you can continue exaggerating, that's cool, too.

I don't claim we choked to Syracuse in 2003 even though we missed a shit ton of freethrows, because they're a part of the game, like stated before. You say their legs were gone (even though the only close game they had was against Mich. St), I say they sucked ass at shooting the FTs and it was a well know fact during that year. Yeah, they improved during tourney, but they were never a good FT shooting team. And I guess the fact that Sherron stole the inbounds pass only to get the ball back and sink a 3, doesn't mean anything because Memphis choked. Neither does Mario's 3 or the OT domination.

Lzen
03-15-2010, 12:51 PM
On March 21, 2008, Davidson matched up with seventh seeded Gonzaga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007-08_Gonzaga_Bulldogs_men%27s_basketball_team). Despite Gonzaga being ahead by as many as 11 points early in the second half of this game, Curry scored 30 points in that half<sup id="cite_ref-upsethoyas_17-0" class="reference">[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-upsethoyas-17)</sup> to push Davidson to their first NCAA Tournament win since 1969, 82–76. Curry ended up with 40 points, going 8-for-10 from 3-point range.<sup id="cite_ref-18" class="reference">[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-18)</sup> On March 23, Davidson played second seeded Georgetown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007-08_Georgetown_Hoyas_men%27s_basketball_team) in the second round of the NCAA Tournament. Georgetown entered the game as a heavy favorite after an appearance in the Final Four (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Four) in 2007 and holding a number eight national ranking. Curry was held to only five points in the first half of the game, and his team trailed by 17 points at that point. However, Curry scored 25 points in the second half to push Davidson to a stunning 74–70 win.<sup id="cite_ref-upsethoyas_17-1" class="reference">[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-upsethoyas-17)</sup>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Stephen_Curry_Davidson_cropped.jpg/220px-Stephen_Curry_Davidson_cropped.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stephen_Curry_Davidson_cropped.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stephen_Curry_Davidson_cropped.jpg)
Curry at the NCAA tournament.


On March 28, 2008, Curry led Davidson to another upset against third seeded Wisconsin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007-08_Wisconsin_Badgers_men%27s_basketball_team). With NBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association) superstar LeBron James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBron_James) in attendance<sup id="cite_ref-returning_19-0" class="reference">[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-returning-19)</sup>, Curry scored 33 points over his defender Michael Flowers, who was considered one of the best in the nation. Davidson easily won 73–56, advancing the school to the Elite 8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament) for the first time since 1969.<sup id="cite_ref-wisconsin_20-0" class="reference">[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-wisconsin-20)</sup> In this game, Curry joined Clyde Lovellette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Lovellette) of Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_Jayhawks_men%27s_basketball), Jerry Chambers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Chambers) of Utah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Utes_men%27s_basketball) and Glenn Robinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Robinson) of Purdue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purdue_Boilermakers_men%27s_basketball) as the only players to go over 30 in their first four career NCAA tournament games.<sup id="cite_ref-wisconsin_20-1" class="reference">[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-wisconsin-20)</sup> Curry also tied the single-season record for most three-pointers made in one season set by Darrin Fitzgerald of Butler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler_Bulldogs_men%27s_basketball) in 1986-87 with 158.<sup id="cite_ref-returning_19-1" class="reference">[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-returning-19)</sup><sup id="cite_ref-21" class="reference">[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-21)</sup> He set the record in the next game against the Kansas Jayhawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Kansas_Jayhawks_men%27s_basketball_team) with his 159th three-pointer of the season. Despite Curry's 25 points, Davidson fell to the top-seeded and eventual national champion Jayhawks 59-57 on March 30, 2008.<sup id="cite_ref-22" class="reference">[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-22)</sup>
Curry was named to the Associated Press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press)' All-America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-America) Second Team on March 31, 2008.<sup id="cite_ref-23" class="reference">[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-23)</sup> He was also named the Most Outstanding Player of the Midwest Region of the 2008 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship Tournament, becoming the first player from a team not making the Final Four (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Four) to do so since Juwan Howard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juwan_Howard) of Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Wolverines_men%27s_basketball) in 1994.<sup id="cite_ref-24" class="reference">[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-24)</sup>
Curry was nominated for an ESPY in the Breakthrough Player of the Year category.<sup id="cite_ref-25" class="reference">[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-25)</sup>

Pants
03-15-2010, 12:53 PM
On March 21, 2008, Davidson matched up with seventh seeded Gonzaga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007-08_Gonzaga_Bulldogs_men%27s_basketball_team). Despite Gonzaga being ahead by as many as 11 points early in the second half of this game, Curry scored 30 points in that half<sup id="cite_ref-upsethoyas_17-0" class="reference">[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-upsethoyas-17)</sup> to push Davidson to their first NCAA Tournament win since 1969, 82–76. Curry ended up with 40 points, going 8-for-10 from 3-point range.<sup id="cite_ref-18" class="reference">[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-18)</sup> On March 23, Davidson played second seeded Georgetown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007-08_Georgetown_Hoyas_men%27s_basketball_team) in the second round of the NCAA Tournament. Georgetown entered the game as a heavy favorite after an appearance in the Final Four (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Four) in 2007 and holding a number eight national ranking. Curry was held to only five points in the first half of the game, and his team trailed by 17 points at that point. However, Curry scored 25 points in the second half to push Davidson to a stunning 74–70 win.<sup id="cite_ref-upsethoyas_17-1" class="reference">[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-upsethoyas-17)</sup>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Stephen_Curry_Davidson_cropped.jpg/220px-Stephen_Curry_Davidson_cropped.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stephen_Curry_Davidson_cropped.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stephen_Curry_Davidson_cropped.jpg)
Curry at the NCAA tournament.


On March 28, 2008, Curry led Davidson to another upset against third seeded Wisconsin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007-08_Wisconsin_Badgers_men%27s_basketball_team). With NBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association) superstar LeBron James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBron_James) in attendance<sup id="cite_ref-returning_19-0" class="reference">[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-returning-19)</sup>, Curry scored 33 points over his defender Michael Flowers, who was considered one of the best in the nation. Davidson easily won 73–56, advancing the school to the Elite 8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament) for the first time since 1969.<sup id="cite_ref-wisconsin_20-0" class="reference">[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-wisconsin-20)</sup> In this game, Curry joined Clyde Lovellette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Lovellette) of Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_Jayhawks_men%27s_basketball), Jerry Chambers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Chambers) of Utah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Utes_men%27s_basketball) and Glenn Robinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Robinson) of Purdue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purdue_Boilermakers_men%27s_basketball) as the only players to go over 30 in their first four career NCAA tournament games.<sup id="cite_ref-wisconsin_20-1" class="reference">[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-wisconsin-20)</sup> Curry also tied the single-season record for most three-pointers made in one season set by Darrin Fitzgerald of Butler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler_Bulldogs_men%27s_basketball) in 1986-87 with 158.<sup id="cite_ref-returning_19-1" class="reference">[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-returning-19)</sup><sup id="cite_ref-21" class="reference">[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-21)</sup> He set the record in the next game against the Kansas Jayhawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Kansas_Jayhawks_men%27s_basketball_team) with his 159th three-pointer of the season. Despite Curry's 25 points, Davidson fell to the top-seeded and eventual national champion Jayhawks 59-57 on March 30, 2008.<sup id="cite_ref-22" class="reference">[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-22)</sup>
Curry was named to the Associated Press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press)' All-America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-America) Second Team on March 31, 2008.<sup id="cite_ref-23" class="reference">[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-23)</sup> He was also named the Most Outstanding Player of the Midwest Region of the 2008 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship Tournament, becoming the first player from a team not making the Final Four (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Four) to do so since Juwan Howard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juwan_Howard) of Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Wolverines_men%27s_basketball) in 1994.<sup id="cite_ref-24" class="reference">[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-24)</sup>
Curry was nominated for an ESPY in the Breakthrough Player of the Year category.<sup id="cite_ref-25" class="reference">[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry_%28basketball%29#cite_note-25)</sup>

His 25 points were a liability. Get that shit out of here.

Lzen
03-15-2010, 12:56 PM
His 25 points were a liability. Get that shit out of here.

Lol, exactly why I posted that. I guess he will now post how his shooting percentage was lower than normal for that game without actually acknowledging the fact that KU was the best FG% defense in the nation that year.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 12:58 PM
His 25 points were a liability. Get that shit out of here.

He shot 9 of 25 from the field, 4 of 16 from behind the arc. He was so tentative that he shot all of 3 FTs in the game. All he did was float to spots and miss shots.

Now I know you didn't watch the game. Like I said, if you actually watched that game, there's no way you didn't walk away from it realizing that Stephen Curry played like shit.

He hurt his team more than he helped it.

Pants
03-15-2010, 01:03 PM
He shot 9 of 25 from the field, 4 of 16 from behind the arc. He was so tentative that he shot all of 3 FTs in the game. All he did was float to spots and miss shots.

Now I know you didn't watch the game. Like I said, if you actually watched that game, there's no way you didn't walk away from it realizing that Stephen Curry played like shit.

He hurt his team more than he helped it.

He pretty much was the team. And floating to spots and shooting is what he does. It worked well against everyone else.

Also, read my previous post as well, wouldn't want you to think I left without arguing.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 01:17 PM
He pretty much was the team. And floating to spots and shooting is what he does. It worked well against everyone else.

Also, read my previous post as well, wouldn't want you to think I left without arguing.

And what's the nature of spot-up, streak shooters? Sooner or later, he was going to go cold. Exactly how long do you expect a guy like that to keep hitting? Davidson was a 1-man squad that won the game if their streak shooter was hitting his shots. Curry wasn't. He was getting looks, he just wasn't hitting them. Curry was off his game from the start. It's happened to better players than him, it'll happen to guys this season. Streak shooters will always have a bad game every few weeks and if the team is good, they can weather it. If the team is Davidson, they can't. I ask again - did you watch that ballgame? Curry was a mess.

As for the rest of your argument - yup, Memphis' achilles heel was their FT shooting. And yeah, it's a part of the game. At the same time, they didn't just start missing FTs, they clanked something like 5 of 7 to end it (by guys that normally shot better than 70%). It wasn't merely their old weak point coming up to bite them, it was a flat-out choke job. Did KU capitalize - certainly. But Memphis dropped the baton first.

As for the # of turnovers in the UNC game, I don't see your point. Maybe they had the same # of turnovers, but again I have to ask if you watched that game. UNC was literally dribbling the ball off their own feet in the open court. It was an epic display of hilarity. They didn't come out ready to play.

You guys got a cakewalk to the Final 4 and 2 epic choke jobs from there forward.

sedated
03-15-2010, 01:20 PM
Now I know you didn't watch the game. Like I said, if you actually watched that game, there's no way you didn't walk away from it realizing that Stephen Curry played like shit.

He hurt his team more than he helped it.

He did play like shit. And Kansas deserves no credit for that. None at all.

They only made everyone play like shit all year. As was mentioned above, look up KU's defensive stats from that year. Except for Arthur, they were like a defensive all-star team.

Or maybe you feel better thinking that every team that had to play KU just happened to play bad on offense. Every one. Seems more like a trend than luck, but that's just me.

Pants
03-15-2010, 01:23 PM
And what's the nature of spot-up, streak shooters? Sooner or later, he was going to go cold. Exactly how long do you expect a guy like that to keep hitting? Davidson was a 1-man squad that won the game if their streak shooter was hitting his shots. Curry wasn't. He was getting looks, he just wasn't hitting them. Curry was off his game from the start. It's happened to better players than him, it'll happen to guys this season. Streak shooters will always have a bad game every few weeks and if the team is good, they can weather it. If the team is Davidson, they can't. I ask again - did you watch that ballgame? Curry was a mess.

As for the rest of your argument - yup, Memphis' achilles heel was their FT shooting. And yeah, it's a part of the game. At the same time, they didn't just start missing FTs, they clanked something like 5 of 7 to end it (by guys that normally shot better than 70%). It wasn't merely their old weak point coming up to bite them, it was a flat-out choke job. Did KU capitalize - certainly. But Memphis dropped the baton first.

As for the # of turnovers in the UNC game, I don't see your point. Maybe they had the same # of turnovers, but again I have to ask if you watched that game. UNC was literally dribbling the ball off their own feet in the open court. It was an epic display of hilarity. They didn't come out ready to play.

You guys got a cakewalk to the Final 4 and 2 epic choke jobs from there forward.

I have the DVDs, so I have watched the game multiple times. UNC played a little sloppy for a very short amount of time. They actually had less turnovers than KU. You exaggerate a lot talking about UNC's performance, but that's understandable. They too, came back in an epic effort, at which point KU realized the game wasn't quite over yet and had to put them away again.

Neither party is going to convince the other one, here.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 01:24 PM
He did play like shit. And Kansas deserves no credit for that. None at all.

They only made everyone play like shit all year. As was mentioned above, look up KU's defensive stats from that year. Except for Arthur, they were like a defensive all-star team.

Or maybe you feel better thinking that every team that had to play KU just happened to play bad on offense. Every one. Seems more like a trend than luck, but that's just me.

Oh for FFS, really?

He was missing open damn looks. He's a streak shooter. You're not willing to put 2 and 2 together there?

KU was a great defensive team. At the same time, Curry wasn't shooting with a hand in his face every time he jacked on up. He was simply missing shots.

But hey, hell of a straw man you assembled there.

CoMoChief
03-15-2010, 01:24 PM
"Stephon Curry played well in a few games prior to ours, so he must've been awesome against KU". There's no way you watched that game and can come away touting Curry. He played absolutely horrid basketball. Haven't I already educated you regarding your lack of reading comprehension? "He was a complete liability that night" Your 'point' doesn't stand for shit.

And UNC wasn't shell-shocked, they were unprepared because Roy spent the whole damn week waxing poetic about Kansas. Again, from the opening tip they were throwing balls at each other's ankles and bouncing them off their feet. I don't care how well you play defense, that's a preparation issue. These aren't JUCO kids. When you play at the higher levels, no amount of defense will get you playing that poorly. It may lead to some ugly ball, but not that ugly.

Can you honestly say that, had the roles been reversed and Kansas played like UNC and/or Memphis did in either of those games, you'd have posted that UNC/Memphis beat KU?

Hell no you wouldn't. You'd be yacking about how KU gave the game away.

Because that's exactly what those two squads did.

How did UNC give the game away when they got their asses completely kicked? What would you call a loss where a team "doesn't" give the game away then? Where do you draw the line? Whether you lose by a lot or a little it doesn't really matter. FT's are part of the game. So is playing soft defense (like Roy's teams do) and not making shots/executing on offense.

CoMoChief
03-15-2010, 01:31 PM
And what's the nature of spot-up, streak shooters? Sooner or later, he was going to go cold. Exactly how long do you expect a guy like that to keep hitting? Davidson was a 1-man squad that won the game if their streak shooter was hitting his shots. Curry wasn't. He was getting looks, he just wasn't hitting them. Curry was off his game from the start. It's happened to better players than him, it'll happen to guys this season. Streak shooters will always have a bad game every few weeks and if the team is good, they can weather it. If the team is Davidson, they can't. I ask again - did you watch that ballgame? Curry was a mess.

As for the rest of your argument - yup, Memphis' achilles heel was their FT shooting. And yeah, it's a part of the game. At the same time, they didn't just start missing FTs, they clanked something like 5 of 7 to end it (by guys that normally shot better than 70%). It wasn't merely their old weak point coming up to bite them, it was a flat-out choke job. Did KU capitalize - certainly. But Memphis dropped the baton first.

As for the # of turnovers in the UNC game, I don't see your point. Maybe they had the same # of turnovers, but again I have to ask if you watched that game. UNC was literally dribbling the ball off their own feet in the open court. It was an epic display of hilarity. They didn't come out ready to play.

You guys got a cakewalk to the Final 4 and 2 epic choke jobs from there forward.

ROFL Gotta love the MU spin on the Kansas NC run. You do know that Davidson lost to UNC that season by a few pts right? I guess they suck though, since they played KU and UNC down to the wire.

WilliamTheIrish
03-15-2010, 01:41 PM
I'm going to need the Talking can's perspective here.

This sounds like pre-emptive whining about a bracket which contains the greatest number of double digit loss teams of all the regions.

Can?

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 01:42 PM
ROFL Gotta love the MU spin on the Kansas NC run. You do know that Davidson lost to UNC that season by a few pts right? I guess they suck though, since they played KU and UNC down to the wire.

Yeah, the selection committee thought so highly of them that they gave them a 10 seed (exclusively because Curry was capable of taking them on a run).

As is your custom, you seem incapable of grasping a simple point. Davidson was a 1-man ballclub; nobody can deny that. Without Curry, they don't sniff the tournament.

And on that night, Curry wasn't shit. It happens.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 01:46 PM
I'm going to need the Talking can's perspective here.

This sounds like pre-emptive whining about a bracket which contains the greatest number of double digit loss teams of all the regions.

Can?

Of course that's what it is.

It's a setup so they can whine about getting placed in the toughest bracket should they lose to UNLV. Or if they win the thing, they'll start yipping about yet another "Greatest Championship Run of All Time" (that still makes me laugh) because they somehow managed to survive the gauntlet of Georgetown, Tennessee, Oklahoma State and Ohio State despite only having to play one of them (at worst).

sedated
03-15-2010, 01:49 PM
if KU loses, no one will be bitching about the bracket. At least no one should be. Brackets are what they are. And if KU is really the best team, as many seem to think, it shouldn't matter who we play.

But I bet MU fans already have their excuses ready. Speaking of MU, when is the raising of another participation banner?

DJ's left nut
03-15-2010, 01:51 PM
if KU loses, no one will be bitching about the bracket. At least no one should be. Brackets are what they are. And if KU is really the best team, as many seem to think, it shouldn't matter who we play.

But I bet MU fans already have their excuses ready. Speaking of MU, when is the raising of another participation banner?

Our excuse is that we aren't a very good team this year.

With Safford, it's possibly a Sweet 16 squad.

Without him, they shouldn't be in the tournament.

Your point again? It's not my fault Jayhawk fans are a bunch of haughty jackasses.

"Greatest Championship Run Ever"

ROFLROFLROFL

sedated
03-15-2010, 01:51 PM
a bracket which contains the greatest number of double digit loss teams of all the regions.

oooh, looks like DJ's left nut already has his way to discount the bracket if KU wins it all. I hope he sent a thank you note.

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-15-2010, 01:56 PM
The reasoning behind this thread gets :facepalm:. It is as bad and terrible as my "Pioli/Sproles CIA".

Yep, JUST like that.

sedated
03-15-2010, 01:57 PM
"Greatest Championship Run Ever"

personally, I'd give that to Arizona in 1997, but to each his own.

HemiEd
03-15-2010, 02:19 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that regardless of what they publicly say when Duke's bracket looks like that, which team really has the #1 overall seed.

Yep, this is the best jwhit article in quite some time. He made his point very well.

RJ
03-15-2010, 02:22 PM
personally, I'd give that to Arizona in 1997, but to each his own.


I'd go with the 1985 Villanova team. They were an 8 seed and beat, in order, a 9,1,5,2,2,1. Destiny, I suppose.

Pants
03-15-2010, 02:28 PM
Our excuse is that we aren't a very good team this year.

With Safford, it's possibly a Sweet 16 squad.

Without him, they shouldn't be in the tournament.

Your point again? It's not my fault Jayhawk fans are a bunch of haughty jackasses.

"Greatest Championship Run Ever"

ROFLROFLROFL

Dude, if you're going to quote me, make sure it's the full quote. So low, LOL.

WilliamTheIrish
03-15-2010, 02:34 PM
oooh, looks like DJ's left nut already has his way to discount the bracket if KU wins it all. I hope he sent a thank you note.

It would have been easier to just tell me I'm right. You're welcome.

Pants
03-15-2010, 02:36 PM
It would have been easier to just tell me I'm right. You're welcome.

Sure, it's still widely considered to be the toughest bracket. I haven't seen anyone, but JWhit, complain about it, though.

DJJasonp
03-15-2010, 02:44 PM
Evidently.

And the whole "Arizona State knocking off 3 #1 seeds that actually played good basketball" thing evidently pales in comparison to the Greatest Championship Run in History .

You do mean Arizona, dont you??

...meanwhile, back to the Whitlock article...

It wouldnt surprise me a bit if any (or all) of it is true. And that said...as much as I despise ESPN....the thought of them getting the tourney....and being able to broadcast every game going on at the same time on their family of networks (rather than the CBS jump-around that they do).......makes me happy in my pants!

sedated
03-15-2010, 03:06 PM
Sure, it's still widely considered to be the toughest bracket. I haven't seen anyone, but JWhit, complain about it, though.

I agree I haven't seen anyone complain about it before this article.

As for it being the hardest, depends on how its looked at. It might have the toughest teams overall, but thats on the side opposite of KU. I'd rather have a murderers row on the other side and have to play the winner, than have a team like Texas waiting for me in the 2nd round.

HC_Chief
03-15-2010, 03:14 PM
I agree I haven't seen anyone complain about it before this article.

As for it being the hardest, depends on how its looked at. It might have the toughest teams overall, but thats on the side opposite of KU. I'd rather have a murderers row on the other side and have to play the winner, than have a team like Texas waiting for me in the 2nd round.

Texas probably won't make it past the first game.

The Midwest bracket is definitely the toughest. It is absolutely loaded. JWhit was correct this time: duke was handed a gift. UK and KU have a legit beef if one were to be made.

Coach
03-15-2010, 03:16 PM
Texas probably won't make it past the first game.

The Midwest bracket is definitely the toughest. It is absolutely loaded. JWhit was correct this time: duke was handed a gift. UK and KU have a legit beef if one were to be made.

Ditto on Purdue as well, considering they got hammered by Minnesota.

HC_Chief
03-15-2010, 03:18 PM
Doesn't matter: duke will be out in the Sweet 16 again this year :D

irishjayhawk
03-15-2010, 03:27 PM
It's sad, dj's left nut, because you had a couple points but you blew it on everything else. The 2008 team did get a favorable draw in the bracket. However, Davidson isn't one of the favorable draws. Moreover, KU had zero control on how the bottom half managed to get an opponent for KU in the elite eight. Self wasn't pulling strings, that's for sure.

No one has had to go thru all 2 #1s to win a NC. That certainly has some merit to it.

In all, dj, you can be summed up with this:

http://www.joewrite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/haters-gonna-hate.gif

DJ's left nut
03-20-2010, 11:23 PM
It's sad, dj's left nut, because you had a couple points but you blew it on everything else. The 2008 team did get a favorable draw in the bracket. However, Davidson isn't one of the favorable draws. Moreover, KU had zero control on how the bottom half managed to get an opponent for KU in the elite eight. Self wasn't pulling strings, that's for sure.

No one has had to go thru all 2 #1s to win a NC. That certainly has some merit to it.

In all, dj, you can be summed up with this:

http://www.joewrite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/haters-gonna-hate.gif


Greatest tourney run ever.

It was all the about that regional. Those jerks in the NCAA Selection Committee had a lot of gall making Kansas face....Northern. Iowa.

Blow it out your asses, beakers. Stay the fuck out of our game threads. Cry yourselves to sleep.

Or just drink a bowl of antifreeze you pack of smug dickheads.

Rock Chalk...whatever. See ya next season.

Reerun_KC
03-20-2010, 11:29 PM
Greatest tourney run ever.

It was all the about that regional. Those jerks in the NCAA Selection Committee had a lot of gall making Kansas face....Northern. Iowa.

Blow it out your asses, beakers. Stay the **** out of our game threads. Cry yourselves to sleep.

Or just drink a bowl of antifreeze you pack of smug dickheads.

Rock Chalk...whatever. See ya next season.

:facepalm:

So much fail in one post....

DJ's left nut
03-20-2010, 11:35 PM
:facepalm:

So much fail in one post....

Significantly less fail than PeeWee put up today.

Seriously, you guys probably oughta just shut up for a day. I know it's tough, but you spent 72 hours bitching about a half of a bracket that you were never going to face...only to lose to Northern Iowa.

STFU.

Reerun_KC
03-20-2010, 11:38 PM
Significantly less fail than PeeWee put up today.

Seriously, you guys probably oughta just shut up for a day. I know it's tough, but you spent 72 hours bitching about a half of a bracket that you were never going to face...only to lose to Northern Iowa.

STFU.

Big fucking deal... Why you so worried about it?

I didnt see you bitching or anything last year or the year before?

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-21-2010, 07:45 PM
Big fucking deal... Why you so worried about it?

I didnt see you bitching or anything last year or the year before?

Northern.

Fucking.

Iowa?

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL
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SELFAIL!

And the baby Jesus cooed with happiness...