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HonestChieffan
03-15-2010, 04:38 AM
No Shame. Pray the Blue dogs wont hunt.

The Health Care "Shell" Game Begins
By Philip Klein on 3.15.10 @ 12:11AM

Shortly before midnight on Sunday, Democrats released a 2,309 page health care bill that will start the process of reconciliation -- but don't let that fool you, it's not the actual reconciliation bill with all the changes you've been reading about. Instead, as Rep. Paul Ryan, the ranking Republican member on the Budget Committee, explained to me last week, this is just the "shell" bill -- the vehicle that Democrats need to get moving on health care. Once the bill gets approved (likely Monday), Democrats will send this phantom bill over to the Rules Committee, where it will be stripped, and then they'll insert in all of the actual changes that they've negotiated.

Why all of the theatrics?

Well, under the reconciliation rules in last year's budget, any reconciliation bill would have to have been submitted to the Budget Committee by October 15, 2009. It just so happens that earlier versions of health care legislation cleared the Ways and Means and Education and Labor Committees last year. So Democrats just dusted that legislation off, and are using that as the vehicle to begin the reconciliation process. That's why, for instance, if you look through the 2,309 page bill that was released Sunday night, you'll find a public option, which leadership has indicated would not actually be in the final bill. (Interestingly, the student loan bill is also tacked on at the end.)

Just a "simple up or down vote," remember?

Last week, Ryan told me that Republicans don't have the votes to stop the bill in the Budget Committee and that Democrats will also be able to prevent Republicans from offering any amendments. However, GOP members will be able to offer "motions to instruct" the Rules Committee, that Ryan said will be used highlight problems with the "unprecedented" step that Democrats are taking.

For more, check out Ryan's op-ed in the Washington Post.

Silock
03-15-2010, 05:46 AM
This is just getting ridiculous now.

CoMoChief
03-15-2010, 10:22 AM
This is just getting ridiculous now.

It's been rediculous for the last 7-8 months IMO.

America has told the POTUS and Congress they don't want this bill passed. Obama wants to take care of the poor, bums, and minorities/illegals at the expense of the taxpaying "middle class/wealthy" and America doesn't want that. Obama is taking extreme measures to try and pass this 2,000 page doctrine (which btw no one seems to know what's in it) when he's being told not to. To me, this is all about the dems wanting full control at this point. BO is trying to sell this as a way to lower the national debt, which any retard can see thats far from the truth, unless you're a BO follower, then you're just delusional. The worst thing BO could have done was to have that HC summit and act like a huge baby whenever Repubs wanted to bring out the real facts and figures. BO just turned his head, didn't address the issue and more importantly acted like he just plain didn't care. That's not leadership, that HC summit wasn't and attempt for bi-partisanship and repubs to get on board with this thing. It was a "My way or the highway" lecture filled in with sob stories of Jane Doe in Indiana or Jon Smith in Kentucky having large medical bills and need to sell their houses. While that's horrible, and while HC needs reforming of some sort, placing the bill on other Americans through taxation is NOT the way to do it.

Calcountry
03-15-2010, 03:22 PM
It's been rediculous for the last 7-8 months IMO.

America has told the POTUS and Congress they don't want this bill passed. Obama wants to take care of the poor, bums, and minorities/illegals at the expense of the taxpaying "middle class/wealthy" and America doesn't want that. Obama is taking extreme measures to try and pass this 2,000 page doctrine (which btw no one seems to know what's in it) when he's being told not to. To me, this is all about the dems wanting full control at this point. BO is trying to sell this as a way to lower the national debt, which any retard can see thats far from the truth, unless you're a BO follower, then you're just delusional. The worst thing BO could have done was to have that HC summit and act like a huge baby whenever Repubs wanted to bring out the real facts and figures. BO just turned his head, didn't address the issue and more importantly acted like he just plain didn't care. That's not leadership, that HC summit wasn't and attempt for bi-partisanship and repubs to get on board with this thing. It was a "My way or the highway" lecture filled in with sob stories of Jane Doe in Indiana or Jon Smith in Kentucky having large medical bills and need to sell their houses. While that's horrible, and while HC needs reforming of some sort, placing the bill on other Americans through taxation is NOT the way to do it.To Obama, every piece of legislation that he is involved in, will lower the national debt.

HonestChieffan
03-15-2010, 03:27 PM
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