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Short Leash Hootie
03-16-2010, 06:28 PM
I'm sure NO ONE expected Allen to be what he is...

But to think he was drafted in the 4th to be a deep snapping specialist is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site.

BryanBusby
03-16-2010, 06:29 PM
nobody wastes a 4th on a long snapper...

Idiots.

You strongly underestimate the the fail of the brain trusts of the draft during that period of time

Short Leash Hootie
03-16-2010, 06:29 PM
You really don't deal well with facts and reality, do you?

LMAO

LMAO

You've got to be kidding me.

You don't really think they took the guy in the 4th round and then said...

"you know what? hell with it? Lets see if he can play DE?????"

and then when trying him out there...

they're like

OMG WHOA

I guess he can!!!

And then they immediately tried out their kicker at QB but that didn't work so they kept him at kicker I guess.

And then they put the towel boy at WR and that's where Boerigter came from...they were close on that one.

L.A. Chieffan
03-16-2010, 06:29 PM
i thought derrick thomas was the alltime ncaa sack leader
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L.A. Chieffan
03-16-2010, 06:31 PM
there was that waterboy at south central louisiana st that turned into an awesome linebacker
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Short Leash Hootie
03-16-2010, 06:31 PM
now do I think they maybe said...

"Hey, we like this guy...we think he has upside...maybe he'll make for a great DE someday...and if not he can always double as a long snapper so win/win!"

What do you morons think the more likely scenario was for our 4th round pick?

You're the ones with all of the common sense after all.

Short Leash Hootie
03-16-2010, 06:32 PM
there was that waterboy at south central louisiana st that turned into an awesome linebacker
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Vermeil suggested they try him at LB...that's all I know.

and if not he was always a top tier water guy

Short Leash Hootie
03-16-2010, 06:33 PM
only on chiefsplanet...

"Vermeil was so bad with his drafts that even the few picks he got right he drafted them for different purposes!!!!"

I think they actually drafted Jared Allen to be Eric Hicks' designated driver...

Short Leash Hootie
03-16-2010, 06:33 PM
or was it Warfields?

I forget...

OTWP you have a quote for me on this one?

DaneMcCloud
03-16-2010, 06:36 PM
something doesnt add up here. hamas' quote says they were going to get rid of the snapper, you say that the 20 sacks in 2 years made them not do it. well IMO if they were going to get rid of gammon why didnt they just do it right off the bat?

Because he was a rookie and Vermeil, like Marty before him, didn't trust rookies.

Short Leash Hootie
03-16-2010, 06:38 PM
Because he was a rookie and Vermeil, like Marty before him, didn't trust rookies.

Exactly.

That's why it was so hard to replace Boerigter as towel boy when he started playing WR...

They just didn't feel comfortable hiring someone off the street...

Boerigter had to double down as WR/towel boy the following year and that's why his play quickly diminished...

They didn't want to make the same mistake with Allen...so they kept Gammon.

BryanBusby
03-16-2010, 06:41 PM
In my view, Gammon was kept because although they wanted to dump his higher amount he was raking in as a tenured veteran, he was still doing his one task damn well.

Short Leash Hootie
03-16-2010, 06:43 PM
In my view, Gammon was kept because although they wanted to dump his higher amount he was raking in as a tenured veteran, he was still doing his one task damn well.

which naturally forced Jared Allen to defensive end...and then he just lucked out and became the best DE in the NFL...

we actually had no idea when we drafted him he even played defense in college...we just drafted him in the 4th round because long snappers are such hot commodities in the NFL.

Short Leash Hootie
03-16-2010, 06:43 PM
shit Hamas...

you think Gholston could be a long snapper in New York?

DeezNutz
03-16-2010, 06:44 PM
Vermeil was probably disappointed he wasn't able to trade away that fourth rounder for another quality-control assistant.

BryanBusby
03-16-2010, 06:51 PM
which naturally forced Jared Allen to defensive end...and then he just lucked out and became the best DE in the NFL...

we actually had no idea when we drafted him he even played defense in college...we just drafted him in the 4th round because long snappers are such hot commodities in the NFL.

I'm not sure if the result of Gammons still playing well was, "well fuck, we must make sure Jared Allen pans out as a DE now." Giving what took place during that era, it feels like Vermeil and Carl found the draft to be more of a nice supplement if it works out and not something that's vital to do well in.

They just lucked out that Allen did well enough at DE instead of having to try and sneak him onto the PS like Lilja.

Count Zarth
03-16-2010, 07:01 PM
I'm not sure if the result of Gammons Fuck, it will never end.

DeezNutz
03-16-2010, 07:01 PM
****, it will never end.

Sure it will...always in an "s."

BossChief
03-16-2010, 07:02 PM
Well, if we take Berry at 5 he will be getting paid almost exactly like the player he is most compared to

2009 #5 pick salary:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5192
6/10/2009: Signed a five-year, $44.5 million contract. The deal includes $28 million guaranteed. Sanchez can earn $6 million more via "likely to be earned" incentives. Another $9.5 million is available through escalators, but they are "unlikely to be earned." 2009: $2.545 million, 2010: $3,181,250 (+ $10 million guaranteed option bonus), 2011: $3,817,500, 2012: $4,453,750, 2013: $5.09 million, 2014: Free Agent

This was Sanchez' rookie contract and given that it is basically slotted but a premium is given to qbs, the contract for our #5 pick should be very close in terms of years and total value given the natural inflation year to year and the fact he isnt a qb. I would expect the contract to be within 10% of Sanchez'

Ed Reeds salary
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2222
6/27/2006: Signed a six-year, $44.4 million contract extension through 2012. The deal contains $15 million guaranteed, including a $7.5 million signing bonus and option bonuses of $6 million and $1.5 million in the second and third years. 2009: $3.6 million, 2010: $6 million, 2011: $6.5 million, 2012: $7.2 million, 2013: Free Agent

kinda crazy huh?

BryanBusby
03-16-2010, 07:09 PM
****, it will never end.

ugh I have no idea why I did that

If it's any consolation, I'm can properly type Chase Daniel and not Daniels.

Count Zarth
03-16-2010, 07:17 PM
ugh I have no idea why I did that

If it's any consolation, I'm can properly type Chase Daniel and not Daniels. Do you know who Johnny Morton, Erick Hicks, Sammie Parker and Ryan Simms are?

Short Leash Hootie
03-16-2010, 07:19 PM
none of them are nearly as good as Tony Gonzales

BryanBusby
03-16-2010, 07:20 PM
Do you know who Johnny Morton, Erick Hicks, Sammie Parker and Ryan Simms are?
Gay? Well, at least Morton is apparently.

BarrySPAMAID
03-16-2010, 07:28 PM
Well, I think trading down with Miami, taking McClain, and NOT drafting a Safety with the 5th pick doesn't seem that far fetched. This is an interesting scenario, and I am surprised that King mentioned anything in the first place. We all know of the obvious connection between Miami, and coach Haley and the Chiefs. I find it pretty interesting that King would say that. But it does offer a solid clue that the Chiefs may in fact be looking at taking an inside linebacker in the first round.

DeezNutz
03-16-2010, 07:35 PM
Well, I think trading down with Miami, taking McClain, and NOT drafting a Safety with the 5th pick doesn't seem that far fetched. This is an interesting scenario, and I am surprised that King mentioned anything in the first place. We all know of the obvious connection between Miami, and coach Haley and the Chiefs. I find it pretty interesting that King would say that. But it does offer a solid clue that the Chiefs may in fact be looking at taking an inside linebacker in the first round.

Yes, it's not far fetched that the Chiefs might seriously consider a flawed plan.

I'm personally astounded.

BarrySPAMAID
03-16-2010, 07:50 PM
Yes, it's not far fetched that the Chiefs might seriously consider a flawed plan.

I'm personally astounded.

Is that a flawed plan though? I mean, Soren Petro has been saying for quite some time now too, that taking a Safety at 5 is a big risk. And there is no certainty that the player will pan out either.

I'm just torn on this....

DeezNutz
03-16-2010, 07:53 PM
Is that a flawed plan though? I mean, Soren Petro has been saying for quite some time now too, that taking a Safety at 5 is a big risk. And there is no certainty that the player will pan out either.

I'm just torn on this....

You've just described every single position on the field.

They're all risks, and there's no guarantee that any will live up to expectations: G, OT, CB, S, QB, DT, DE, LB.

No such thing as a "sure thing."

I like Petro a lot, but when it comes to the draft, he's a True Fan who would draft linemen high every single year.

Take elite talent when it presents itself.

Count Zarth
03-16-2010, 07:54 PM
Why is taking a safety at 5 a risk? If anything taking a safety is taking a position that is not a big gamble. Especially when it's a guy like Eric Berry, who is one of the most perfect prospects to come along in years. Does anyone even remember a highly-touted safety who busted big time? Sean Taylor, maybe, but he DIED. Even Michael Huff has turned into a pretty good player. Berry is a better prospect than Huff. I dunno about Taylor...

A risky pick is taking a quarterback who has only one year of starting experience (Sanchez) or gambling on someone like Randy Moss....which is why Moss fell. I don't see any big risks with Eric Berry.

Mecca
03-16-2010, 07:55 PM
Is that a flawed plan though? I mean, Soren Petro has been saying for quite some time now too, that taking a Safety at 5 is a big risk. And there is no certainty that the player will pan out either.

I'm just torn on this....

It's only a risky to people who think you need the greatest OL of all time to win anything, Petro is another one of the OL at all costs people.

There is risk with every single pick, taking the best player in the draft who happens to be a safety is not a problem.

dirk digler
03-16-2010, 07:58 PM
I was listening to KK interview Mitch Holtus today and Mitch said none of these OL signings means they won't draft OL. He said he believes they will draft OL with the #5 pick. Also talked about moving Waters to C.

Mecca
03-16-2010, 08:01 PM
Every time I hear Mitch Holthus do an interview it completely confirms what a dipshit the guy is.

Of course he's the same guy that thought we should use a top 5 pick on Limas Sweed.

dirk digler
03-16-2010, 08:04 PM
Every time I hear Mitch Holthus do an interview it completely confirms what a dipshit the guy is.

Of course he's the same guy that thought we should use a top 5 pick on Limas Sweed.

Yeah I was just shaking my head listening to this crap. Though I don't know how much insider info Mitch has if any.

BryanBusby
03-16-2010, 08:04 PM
Ahahaha did he really suggest that?

Mecca
03-16-2010, 08:05 PM
For a guy that covers games and should know the league Holthus always comes off as nothing more than the average complete moron fan.

I really don't get it at all, you are employed by an NFL team try to be knowledgeable, he just sounds to me like a guy that realizes most people that listen to KK's show want OL so he'll say that to be with the people or something.

Count Zarth
03-16-2010, 08:08 PM
God, now the rats are eating Holthus' brain, too?

Mecca
03-16-2010, 08:09 PM
Holthus has been a retard for years when it comes to this shit.....his takes on players that the Chiefs should draft or sign is always awful.

KCinNY
03-16-2010, 08:45 PM
Every time I hear Mitch Holthus do an interview it completely confirms what a dipshit the guy is.

Of course he's the same guy that thought we should use a top 5 pick on Limas Sweed.

You're exaggerating, right? I mean...seriously?

Psyko Tek
03-16-2010, 08:46 PM
It's a high risk decision that CP and Pioli (somewhat understandable in his first year) didn't have the balls to make-

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/152574-drafting-a-quarterback-in-the-first-round-is-it-worth-the-risk

Twenty quarterbacks who entered the league between 1970 and 2006 have started for teams that won the Super Bowl, and of those 20, 11 were drafted in the first round. Of all quarterbacks drafted in the first round, 14 percent have started on the team that won the Super Bowl.

stupid question time
how many won the bowl for the team that drafted them?

I am in the need a line before we kill a first round qb
but I wann draft BERRY OR SUH IF HE FALLS
NO O LINE IN FIRST ROUND
NO WR
NO RB
just my opinion

DeezNutz
03-16-2010, 08:47 PM
God, now the rats are eating Holthus' brain, too?

He's always been a dumb motherfucker who happened to be a good play-by-play man.

The only way he'd be worth a damn about the draft is if he were calling it as it happened. If he has to insert his own knowledge, he's fucked.

Mecca
03-16-2010, 08:48 PM
You're exaggerating, right? I mean...seriously?

No I'm not, he really pimped Limas Sweed as the Chiefs pick that year.

KCinNY
03-16-2010, 08:50 PM
No I'm not, he really pimped Limas Sweed as the Chiefs pick that year.

Weak.

Holthus does a nice job as a play by play guy, but that confirms his football knowledge is garbage.

Deberg_1990
03-16-2010, 08:53 PM
Why is taking a safety at 5 a risk? If anything taking a safety is taking a position that is not a big gamble. Especially when it's a guy like Eric Berry, who is one of the most perfect prospects to come along in years. Does anyone even remember a highly-touted safety who busted big time? Sean Taylor, maybe, but he DIED. Even Michael Huff has turned into a pretty good player. Berry is a better prospect than Huff. I dunno about Taylor...

A risky pick is taking a quarterback who has only one year of starting experience (Sanchez) or gambling on someone like Randy Moss....which is why Moss fell. I don't see any big risks with Eric Berry.

Its not really a risk....

Its more about GM's dont think a safety is as valuable as a LT, QB, Pass Rusher....

They dont want to pick a safety high because they dont want to pay top $$ to a position that they dont think has as much impact on a game as those others.

KCinNY
03-16-2010, 08:55 PM
They dont want to pick a safety high because they dont want to pay top $$ to a position that they dont think has as much impact on a game as those others.

Yeah...cause Reed and Polomalu don't really make plays for their teams.

Mecca
03-16-2010, 08:55 PM
I bet Eric Berry has more impact on games than Tyson Jackson does.

Mr. Laz
03-16-2010, 08:55 PM
Does anyone think they know what Pioli will do ....... really?

even the Pioli haters say he's totally unpredictable(in a bad way) so who the hell knows.

DeezNutz
03-16-2010, 08:55 PM
Its not really a risk....

Its more about GM's dont think a safety is as valuable as a LT, QB, Pass Rusher....

They dont want to pick a safety high because they dont want to pay top $$ to a position that they dont think has as much impact on a game as those others.

Well, then we should be fine from this perspective, since Pioli showed last year that he didn't care about all that.

Deberg_1990
03-16-2010, 08:56 PM
Yeah...cause Reed and Polomalu don't really make plays for their teams.

Im not saying you wrong....im just telling youhow teams think.

Look how many safetys have been picked top 5 in the past 20 years...

Mecca
03-16-2010, 08:57 PM
Pioli's one trait is that he values fat bodies, especially ones on the DL.

Deberg_1990
03-16-2010, 08:59 PM
Pioli's one trait is that he values fat bodies, especially ones on the DL.

Yes..there you go. Thats why all these draft threads amuse me. Its all round and round....when we all know exactly who Pioli is going to pick. 95% sure its going to be a lineman.

Personally, i wish they would take Claussen....but Pioli wont do it. Wouldnt shock me if they drafted a QB on the 2nd or 3rd day this year.

Rausch
03-16-2010, 09:43 PM
Its not really a risk....

Its more about GM's dont think a safety is as valuable as a LT, QB, Pass Rusher....

They dont want to pick a safety high because they dont want to pay top $$ to a position that they dont think has as much impact on a game as those others.

Or the fact that KC hasn't drafted a good safety in 20 years or so.

I think I've changed my mind on Berry.

If we take Berry and he does play as expected that's like beating the Colts in the playoffs. That's like breaking a spell. It means things really ARE different now...

milkman
03-16-2010, 09:56 PM
I don't really feel like reading through this thread just now, but I want to point out that Peter King is a useless hack.

He's a dumbass.

While the Patriots history might suggest it likely that Pioli won't draft a safety, if Peter King says it won't happen, then I like the chance that it will happen a hell of a lot more than I did before.

DaneMcCloud
03-16-2010, 09:59 PM
I don't really feel like reading through this thread just now, but I want to point out that Peter King is a useless hack.

He's a dumbass.

While the Patriots history might suggest it likely that Pioli won't draft a safety, if Peter King says it won't happen, then I like the chance that it will happen a hell of a lot more than I did before.

Except that he was the first to break Tyson Jackson last year AND he was at Arrowhead reporting from Thursday to Saturday on draft weekend last year.

Something tells me, besides the fact I've been saying it for weeks, that he's spot on.

BryanBusby
03-16-2010, 10:18 PM
Except that he was the first to break Tyson Jackson last year AND he was at Arrowhead reporting from Thursday to Saturday on draft weekend last year.

Something tells me, besides the fact I've been saying it for weeks, that he's spot on.

Well to be fair, he had a good source on the Tyson Jackson info and seems to be speculating on the Chiefs not taking a safety at 5. He's probably right though, as much as I'd hate to say it.

Chocolate Hog
03-16-2010, 10:23 PM
Seems like the Chiefs aren't as secretive this year.

keg in kc
03-16-2010, 10:26 PM
Except that he was the first to break Tyson Jackson last year AND he was at Arrowhead reporting from Thursday to Saturday on draft weekend last year.My recollection is that Gosslin was the one that broke Tyson Jackson last year, by introducing him very, very high on his final player rankings and then sending him to KC in his final mock.

SNR
03-17-2010, 01:04 AM
Im not saying you wrong....im just telling youhow teams think.

Look how many safetys have been picked top 5 in the past 20 years...When they're amazing prospects, they get picked high in the draft. It's like any position (with the exception of some of the lesser positions).

Sean Taylor went 5th overall. He was an incredible prospect. Eric Berry is that level. He's totally worth the 5th overall pick in the draft. No question.

Pushead2
03-17-2010, 01:35 AM
When they're amazing prospects, they get picked high in the draft. It's like any position (with the exception of some of the lesser positions).

Sean Taylor went 5th overall. He was an incredible prospect. Eric Berry is that level. He's totally worth the 5th overall pick in the draft. No question.

I concur

T-post Tom
03-17-2010, 01:40 AM
The Chiefs will go with Berry unless they find a way to trade down. Makes too much sense. (BTW, Pioli has historically favored defense in the first round.)

Chiefs=Good
03-17-2010, 03:35 AM
I would laugh if he was indeed right and we infact took Clausen instead...



Please, please, please, please

Rausch
03-17-2010, 03:47 AM
When they're amazing prospects, they get picked high in the draft. It's like any position (with the exception of some of the lesser positions).

Sean Taylor went 5th overall. He was an incredible prospect. Eric Berry is that level. He's totally worth the 5th overall pick in the draft. No question.

So our trade down possibilities should be legit...

Blick
03-17-2010, 05:16 AM
I don't give a fuck what Peter King says.

Pioli has taken a safety in the first round before.

Warrior5
03-17-2010, 05:26 AM
The Chiefs will go with Berry unless they find a way to trade down. Makes too much sense. (BTW, Pioli has historically favored defense in the first round.)

If Berry is still there, This.

Hog Farmer
03-17-2010, 05:48 AM
I saw that posted on his twitter last night. I didn't want to post it here though because I don't want to be the bearer of the ultimate bad news for Chiefs Planet.

Liar.

And rep.

KCChiefsFan88
03-17-2010, 09:00 AM
It's only a risky to people who think you need the greatest OL of all time to win anything, Petro is another one of the OL at all costs people.

This type of logic is beyond annoying.

When did the Chiefs offense begin to nose dive? During the 2006 offseason when Willie Roaf retired and the Chiefs failed to have an adequate replacement plan in place.

Even with the signings of Lilja and Weigmann, the Chiefs have dire needs at both tackle positions and no long term solutions in place for Waters and Weigmann who are both, at their respective ages playing on borrowed time.

The Chiefs have tried the method of rebuilding the offensive line through lower round draft picks, cheap veteran free agents and undrafted free agents that your logic is apparently suggesting. It has been a FAILURE. See Will Svitek, See Kyle Turley, See Adrian Jones, See Barry Richardson, See Rudy Niswanger... FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE.

Why not FINALLY address the need for a franchise caliber left tackle that can anchor the line for the next 10 years?

milkman
03-17-2010, 09:08 AM
This type of logic is beyond annoying.

When did the Chiefs offense begin to nose dive? During the 2006 offseason when Willie Roaf retired and the Chiefs failed to have an adequate replacement plan in place.

Even with the signings of Lilja and Weigmann, the Chiefs have dire needs at both tackle positions and no long term solutions in place for Waters and Weigmann who are both, at their respective ages playing on borrowed time.

The Chiefs have tried the method of rebuilding the offensive line through lower round draft picks, cheap veteran free agents and undrafted free agents that your logic is apparently suggesting. It has been a FAILURE. See Will Svitek, See Kyle Turley, See Adrian Jones, See Barry Richardson, See Rudy Niswanger... FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE.

Why not FINALLY address the need for a franchise caliber left tackle that can anchor the line for the next 10 years?

The fact that the dumbasses in charge before did a piss poor job replacing the lost O-Line talent doesn't in any way diminish the fact that most of the best O-lines have, at most, one first round player on that line.

Even the Chiefs that you love so much had, it could be argued, only two first rounders on that line in Roaf and Tait, but the interior was made up of a 3rd rounder and two UDFAs.

Count Zarth
03-17-2010, 09:09 AM
Why not FINALLY address the need for a franchise caliber left tackle that can anchor the line for the next 10 years? BECAUSE THEY DID THAT TWO YEARS AGO YOU DUMB FUCK

L.A. Chieffan
03-17-2010, 09:12 AM
everybody knows we drafted Albert to be a longsnapper this is how the conversation went down:

Gunther:I NEED A MUTHAFUCIKN LONGSNAPPER ON MY DEFENSE HERM!

Herm: Its gonna be OK Gun, look Virginias got this guy. What do you think?

Gunther: He can play.

Herm: Send the pick in.

suds79
03-17-2010, 09:13 AM
Even with the signings of Lilja and Weigmann, the Chiefs have dire needs at both tackle positions and no long term solutions in place for Waters and Weigmann who are both, at their respective ages playing on borrowed time.

Why not FINALLY address the need for a franchise caliber left tackle that can anchor the line for the next 10 years?

Wow just could not disagree more. For starters I completely disagree that we have dire needs at both tackle positions.

Brandon Albert made real good strides towards the end of the season. We don't know if he can't be the guy at LT. He was getting better. And RT was a rotating door until Ryan was put in there. Todd Haley even said in an interview that he was pleased with Ryan's play. I think Todd likes him there more than some might realize.

And given that Brandon was playing well towards the end of his 2nd season, (played much better in Dec and shut down Dumervil). Are you seriously willing to give up on a mid 1st rounder after 2 years?

And trust me. Moving a mid first rounder expected play LT to Guard is giving on on a guy.

How can you be sure a rookie is going to play LT any better than Brandon?

The problem last year was the lack of running game resulting in a ton of 3rd and longs. That got solved with Jamaal taking Larry's place and the interior line was a problem. Particularly Center and RG.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-17-2010, 09:18 AM
BECAUSE THEY DID THAT TWO YEARS AGO YOU DUMB ****

:clap:

Deberg_1990
03-17-2010, 09:22 AM
BECAUSE THEY DID THAT TWO YEARS AGO YOU DUMB ****

Theres divided opinion on whether or not hes a true franchise LT.

Pestilence
03-17-2010, 09:25 AM
I want Berry or Clausen at #5.....but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm sure they'll draft an OT at #5.....and once again I'll have to wonder if this front office has their heads up their asses.

Count Zarth
03-17-2010, 09:36 AM
I want Berry or Clausen at #5.....but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm sure they'll draft an OT at #5.....and once again I'll have to wonder if this front office has their heads up their asses. I'm beginning to lean towards them trading down and taking a linebacker. Pioli comes from a background that loves to draft linebackers high. And he needs one, bad.

milkman
03-17-2010, 09:40 AM
I'm beginning to lean towards them trading down and taking a linebacker. Pioli comes from a background that loves to draft linebackers high. And he needs one, bad.

Really.

There's Jarod Mayo and........:shrug:

MOhillbilly
03-17-2010, 09:47 AM
When they're amazing prospects, they get picked high in the draft. It's like any position (with the exception of some of the lesser positions).

Sean Taylor went 5th overall. He was an incredible prospect. Eric Berry is that level. He's totally worth the 5th overall pick in the draft. No question.

ST was a once in a lifetime prospect. Size,speed,strength,high football IQ, could cover the run with the force of a linebacker & cover the pass with the skill of an elite corner.
Berry while very good is not even in the same ballpark as ST.

milkman
03-17-2010, 09:49 AM
As a matter of fact, in checking out the Patriot drafts since 2000, Mayo is their only 1st round LB, and they have only two other LBs that have been selected in the first three rounds (Shawn Crable '08 and Tyronne Mckenzie in '09, both third rounders in their respective draft class ).

Count Zarth
03-17-2010, 09:51 AM
Really.

There's Jarod Mayo and........:shrug: Look at Parcells' draft history.

Deberg_1990
03-17-2010, 09:59 AM
I'm beginning to lean towards them trading down and taking a linebacker. Pioli comes from a background that loves to draft linebackers high. And he needs one, bad.

Seriously??

You would rather a linebacker than Claussen, Okung or Berry??

milkman
03-17-2010, 09:59 AM
Look at Parcells' draft history.

That's reaching.

milkman
03-17-2010, 10:00 AM
Seriously??

You would rather a linebacker than Claussen, Okung or Berry??

I can't speak for GC, but rather than Okung, you bet.

Deberg_1990
03-17-2010, 10:05 AM
I can't speak for GC, but rather than Okung, you bet.

im really not up on how all the positions grade out...

But it all depends on how deep this draft is at certain positions.

For instance, is Okung really that much better than a 2nd or 3rd round guy? Is Berry? Is Claussen? If not, then yea, i would pass and try and drop down if possible.

If im a GM and felt that one of them was a "special" talent, then no..you shouldnt pass on guys like that.

Count Zarth
03-17-2010, 10:07 AM
That's reaching. I don't see why. The Chiefs have a much bigger need at linebacker, too....the more I think about it, the more it feels like something he's gonna do. The defense isn't gonna work without linebackers. And right now they have jack shit at ILB.

Count Zarth
03-17-2010, 10:08 AM
Seriously??

You would rather a linebacker than Claussen, Okung or Berry?? No. I'm leaning towards Pioli drafting a linebacker. But if you put a gun to my head I'd take McClain over Okung, sure.

milkman
03-17-2010, 10:14 AM
im really not up on how all the positions grade out...

But it all depends on how deep this draft is at certain positions.

For instance, is Okung really that much better than a 2nd or 3rd round guy? Is Berry? Is Claussen? If not, then yea, i would pass and try and drop down if possible.

If im a GM and felt that one of them was a "special" talent, then no..you shouldnt pass on guys like that.

IMO, there are three elite talents in this draft.

Suh, G McCoy, and Berry.

Of those three, only one makes any sense for the Chiefs.

Berry.

IMO, also, I don't think that Okung is as good as the top 4 LT prospects in last year's draft.

He, in any other draft, would be a low first rounder at best.

milkman
03-17-2010, 10:15 AM
I don't see why. The Chiefs have a much bigger need at linebacker, too....the more I think about it, the more it feels like something he's gonna do. The defense isn't gonna work without linebackers. And right now they have jack shit at ILB.

Frankly, I've reached the conclusion that I'd rather see him reach for Dan Williams than McClain.

Deberg_1990
03-17-2010, 10:16 AM
IMO, there are three elite talents in this draft.

Suh, G McCoy, and Berry.

Of those three, only one makes any sense for the Chiefs.

Berry.

IMO, also, I don't think that Okung is as good as the top 4 LT prospects in last year's draft.

He, in any other draft, would be a high first rounder at best.

Well then, since your probably more educated on it than me, i hope Pioli feels the same if one of those guys are available when we pick.

MahiMike
03-17-2010, 11:31 AM
that is a myopic view of the game and the especially line play... feels to me that half the people bitching about drafting lineman on this board do so because they are ignorant, they just clamor to see guys with the ball in their hands.... look i get it... Spiller, Clausen or Berry would be more "exciting," but having watched good teams I can say this... playmakers don't make plays without good lines... period. "playmaking" safeties and linebackers don't cause chaos without clogging linemen, running backs and quarterbacks don't make plays without protection. it's not sexy, but it's the game. having watched this team the last four seasons, i can't believe anybody thinks we are in good shape line wise.

Thank you. We won 6 games in 2 years. That's a team that needs help from the QB to the waterboy. Just pick the best player available and worry about filling in the holes next year.

MahiMike
03-17-2010, 11:35 AM
Tamba Hali was also a rush defensive end for the 4-3 that led the country in sacks coming out of college. He's led the NFL in forced fumbles for the past four seasons. He's led the Chiefs in sacks the past two seasons.

Playmaker.

You whiny bitches have been getting playmakers damn near every ****ing draft.

However, the "True Fans" have been getting screwed. ONE offensive lineman picked in the first three rounds over the last TEN years. ONE.

And when someone mentions that we won't draft a safety with a top five pick - that's right A SAFETY WITH A TOP FIVE PICK, which is bordering on stupid insane, you have a conniption saying we've never picked "playmakers" and it's always been "true fan" drafts. We'll, I'll tell you straight up, with the exception of Carl's penchant for draft defensive tackles that never pan out, he primarily focused on WR, RB, CB, S, DE for the high picks. There's your playmakers at playmaker positions. If they actually built from the inside out, like smart teams do, we would have been a lot better off. However, Carl had to placate his inner Drafturbator, and kept drafting "playmakers" in the top three rounds every single year. That's how you destroy/ruin a franchise, and it's easily proven by looking at the stupid teams that did that every single year such as the Chiefs and the Lions.

Go get em Poo! rep.:clap:

Ralphy Boy
03-17-2010, 12:17 PM
The issue here is that you are personally having a hard time believing that Pioli would pass on Berry. I've told you the same thing, yet you've tried to make a Federal Case as to why Pioli would take him.

Now Peter King comes along and agrees with my take from last week.

Pioli will pass on Berry.

I've hardly tried to make a "Federal Case" that Pioli would draft Berry. Fact is I think he could take him, but I've said before that I think he'll draft Dan Williams, even if he stays at 5. I won't like it and hopefully he'll trade down if thats the direction he intends to go.

I've made a Federal Case out of his draft history with offensive linemen because I am dumbfounded at the national media and every mock draft suggesting we'll draft Okung or Bulaga when Pioli has only EVER drafted one offensive linemen in the first round and it was the 32nd pick, yet the media suggests that he will as if he has done it repeatedly.

Sure he could take one at 5, but his history hasn't shown that he would and his history has shown that he has spent a higher draft pick on a safety.

Prior to 2007 his history also never showed that he had drafted a safety in the first, until he took Merriweather at 24, so my argument is that he is just as likely to take a safety as he is a o-linemen. Simple as that.

King didn't say "I've talked to Scott Pioli before and he told me that he would never draft a safety in the top 10, regardless of how talented they are". He's making an assumption that is just as worthless as mine or yours.

booger
03-17-2010, 12:38 PM
@stmillr crennel ran the DB workout.
17 minutes ago via UberTwitter in reply to stmillr

si's jim trotter on berry's workout
http://twitter.com/SI_JimTrotter

booger
03-17-2010, 12:38 PM
Eric says he stepped in what felt like a hole in the field. Felt a tingle in his toe. KC D-coord told him to shut it down and get it checked
24 minutes ago via UberTwitter

Fish
03-17-2010, 12:58 PM
Great.... Berry breaks an ankle just working out for the Chiefs....

Fuck it all................................

Ralphy Boy
03-17-2010, 12:58 PM
(BTW, Pioli has historically favored defense in the first round.)

This is as much the point, as anything, that I've always tried to make regarding his draft history when people say that he'll draft Okung.

He's drafted 1 offensive linemen in the first round, between KC & NE, compared to 4 defensive linemen.

1 RB, 2 TE, 1 G = 4 total
1 LB, 1 DB, 4 D-line = 6 total

I think that he'd love to trade down to #7 and take Dan Williams. Yes, most "experts" don't have him rated that high but Pioli could give two shits about that.

Potential landing spots for Williams, as far as a 3-4 NT, are 7, 9, 11 & 12.
Cleveland and Denver have old men, with varying degrees of injury histories, manning the spot and Miami & Buffalo don't really have anyone worth noting.

My opinion hasn't really changed (though maybe it should) on Williams since we signed Shaun Smith because I don't see him as the answer, but it could be that he is looked at by Romeo & Pioli as a definite upgrade to Edwards. Maybe his signing makes them feel like they have options in the first and I hope that is the case because I would much rather have Berry at 5 than Williams at 7.

booger
03-17-2010, 01:02 PM
March 17, 2010 From Joe Fortenbaugh and Wes Bunting:

Virginia Tech safety Kam Chancellor had a private workout with coaches from the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday, according to a league source.


AP
Kam Chancellor
The 6’3”, 226-pound safety recorded 65 tackles (24 solo) and two interceptions for the 10-3 Hokies in 2009. Chancellor racked up 204 tackles and six interceptions during his four-year career at Virginia Tech.

In addition to yesterday's session with the Chiefs, Chancellor is scheduled to work out for the New England Patriots on March 26.

When ranking priorities, addressing the secondary has to be near the top of the list for a Chiefs team that has lost 12 or more games in each of the past three years.

In addition, Kansas City has ranked 22nd or worse in passing defense and 28th or worse in scoring defense in each of the past two seasons.

Let’s turn to NFP Director of College Scouting Wes Bunting for the lowdown on Chancellor:

Chancellor is a physical, downhill safety who takes good angles toward the ball and consistently closes on the play. He has an intimidating presence in the secondary and displays the power to disengage the ball from his man on contact. He generates good power and speed in pursuit and wraps up well on contact. He isn't fluid in his drop and looks stiff when asked to open up his hips and cover ground downfield. He is more of a straight-line athlete who struggles to quickly redirect out of his breaks and can be targeted when left alone in space downfield. He has a tendency to stop moving his feet on play fakes and lacks the range to make up for a false step. ??

But he's patient in zone coverage and does a good job diagnosing pass plays and using the sideline as an extra defender. Overall, he's good looking athlete with natural pop and good straight-line speed for his size. But he struggles to change directions and allows receivers too often to get behind him. Chancellor doesn't look like a guy who has the fluidity and range to play in an NFL secondary, but he could make it as an in-the-box type of safety. ??

Grade: 5.8
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Chancellor-works-out-for-the-Chiefs.html

also a reminder as far as Chancellor goes, Crennel coached the east team with Chancellor on it in the East/west shrine game

booger
03-17-2010, 01:05 PM
Was interesting how quickly Tampa and Washington scouts followed Berry to the training room, where they waited outside.
about 1 hours ago via UberTwitter

Eric's agent says he has a slight sprain of his left big toe: "Very, very minor"
about 1 hours ago via UberTwitter


If Pioli won't take him that high its obvious someone will, whether trade up or whatever

SDChiefs
03-17-2010, 02:19 PM
This type of logic is beyond annoying.

When did the Chiefs offense begin to nose dive? During the 2006 offseason when Willie Roaf retired and the Chiefs failed to have an adequate replacement plan in place.

Even with the signings of Lilja and Weigmann, the Chiefs have dire needs at both tackle positions and no long term solutions in place for Waters and Weigmann who are both, at their respective ages playing on borrowed time.

The Chiefs have tried the method of rebuilding the offensive line through lower round draft picks, cheap veteran free agents and undrafted free agents that your logic is apparently suggesting. It has been a FAILURE. See Will Svitek, See Kyle Turley, See Adrian Jones, See Barry Richardson, See Rudy Niswanger... FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE.

Why not FINALLY address the need for a franchise caliber left tackle that can anchor the line for the next 10 years?

Um, because they already did, 2 years ago. Do we need to draft a franchise LT every 2 years in the first round to stay competitive?

SDChiefs
03-17-2010, 02:22 PM
I want Berry or Clausen at #5.....but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm sure they'll draft an OT at #5.....and once again I'll have to wonder if this front office has their heads up their asses.

This. Or I will need to replace my TV and/or every piece of furniture I own.

Ralphy Boy
03-17-2010, 02:29 PM
March 17, 2010 From Joe Fortenbaugh and Wes Bunting:

Virginia Tech safety Kam Chancellor had a private workout with coaches from the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday, according to a league source.

AP
Kam Chancellor
The 6’3”, 226-pound safety recorded 65 tackles (24 solo) and two interceptions for the 10-3 Hokies in 2009. Chancellor racked up 204 tackles and six interceptions during his four-year career at Virginia Tech.


also a reminder as far as Chancellor goes, Crennel coached the east team with Chancellor on it in the East/west shrine game

I like Chancellor a lot. Reminds me some of Adrian Wilson (both 6'3" 230 lbs)and looked really good in the Shrine game.

He's a thumper and even though he isn't as fast as Wilson, I think he plays faster than he's timed. I'd love it if we got him in the 3rd and Berry in the first.

L.A. Chieffan
03-17-2010, 03:33 PM
He's led the NFL in forced fumbles for the past four seasons.




Do you just make shit up out of thin air?

Chiefspants
03-12-2012, 02:19 AM
Bamp.

CoMoChief
03-12-2012, 02:30 AM
Bamp.

what are u doing?

KChiefer
03-12-2012, 02:37 AM
what are u doing?

I think he's pointing out that media gets it wrong at times and it isn't over until it's over.

Kudos

Paniero
03-12-2012, 03:12 AM
I can't believe that King doesn't already know the draft happened and we picked Berry.

Shogun
03-12-2012, 03:21 AM
We should trade up to get Clausen, I dont think he will be there at 5, berry is going to bust anyways, Clausen is like watching a young joe theisman

Gonzo
03-12-2012, 03:43 AM
We should trade up to get Clausen, I dont think he will be there at 5, berry is going to bust anyways, Clausen is like watching a young joe theisman
I don't think Clausen will be a good pro qb. Serviceable, maybe. Never good, though.
Now then, if we can get that Iowa guy, (Stanzi I think?) We may be in good shape. I think we should nab him in the 2nd.
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Shogun
03-12-2012, 03:45 AM
I don't think Clausen will be a good pro qb. Serviceable, maybe. Never good, though.
Now then, if we can get that Iowa guy, (Stanzi I think?) We may be in good shape. I think we should nab him in the 2nd.
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I'm telling you, Clausen is the real deal. He is going to break records. Stanzi would ride the bench his rookie year, I gaurentee it.

Gonzo
03-12-2012, 03:56 AM
I'm telling you, Clausen is the real deal. He is going to break records. Stanzi would ride the bench his rookie year, I gaurentee it.

It's ok if he does, we have Cassel who'll be a decent QB for at least another 2-3t years. Then Stanzi comes in and takes this bitch over. To the ship!

I'm telling you, I'm right about Jimmy Clausen.
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