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Taco John
03-19-2010, 11:31 AM
Vote!

Taco John
03-19-2010, 11:33 AM
Crap. Forgot to make it public.

petegz28
03-19-2010, 11:33 AM
I say it passes. I think they will bribe enough people off the fence to get their precious 216.

Silock
03-19-2010, 11:36 AM
Passes, unfortunately.

HonestChieffan
03-19-2010, 11:38 AM
It will pass and set off a firestorm

Taco John
03-19-2010, 11:38 AM
I used to think it will pass. Looking at the headlines this morning, I think it will fail. Defazio's objections this morning are not insignificant, and for them to react to them right now would blow up the CBO estimates. They are already having trouble with the whip count, and Defazio's objections give cover for those leaining no in the same way that Kucinich's objections gives cover to those leaning yes.

Otter
03-19-2010, 11:38 AM
Passes, unfortunately.

Next on the agenda; amnesty for 15 to 30 million illegal invaders.

I'd still love to know the long term goal of these idiots.

oldandslow
03-19-2010, 11:39 AM
It will pass and actually bump Obama's poll numbers. Americans look for success even if it is wrong

mlyonsd
03-19-2010, 11:39 AM
It passes. No way would it be brought to the floor Sunday, plus 220 dem reps voted down the republican ammendment to not allow the Slaughter solution to apply to it.

I'm talking this actual bill. Not sure what will happen after Sunday in the fall out when taxpayers start hanging congressmen from trees and lamp posts.

Hydrae
03-19-2010, 11:57 AM
I expect it to pass, unfortunately.

If it fails it won't go away though. This will be around until they successfully shove it down our throats.

talastan
03-19-2010, 12:38 PM
It will pass though I really hope that it doesn't. However these idiots in charge are going to do their damnedest to make sure that they Rahm it through. I just hope they hurt their position enough that they don't use the same tactics (Slaughter and reconcilliation) for immigration and education reform, and cap and tax.

BucEyedPea
03-19-2010, 12:50 PM
I can't guess. I think it jinxes things when I predict. No changes here for me.

BucEyedPea
03-19-2010, 12:51 PM
I expect it to pass, unfortunately.

If it fails it won't go away though. This will be around until they successfully shove it down our throats.

Good point. That's what I was thinking if it doesn't pass. They'll keep at it. They have for 40 years BEFORE it became a crisis.

blaise
03-19-2010, 01:11 PM
It'll pass and then in the next few elections Republican candidates wll run ads about the cost and will use photos of democrat politicians celebrating it with glee and behaving like teenagers at a Jonas Brothers concert, and sinister music will play in the backround as a photo of a smiling Pelosi or Obama or Louise Slaughter freezes on the screen and some dollar amount gets stamped across their image. And some of them will be voted out because of it and the cycle of shit that is politics in the country will keep turning.

patteeu
03-19-2010, 01:16 PM
I've been resigned to it's passage for about a week now. Cheney help us, it passes.

Taco John
03-19-2010, 01:19 PM
It'll pass and then in the next few elections Republican candidates wll run ads about the cost and will use photos of democrat politicians celebrating it with glee and behaving like teenagers at a Jonas Brothers concert, and sinister music will play in the backround as a photo of a smiling Pelosi or Obama or Louise Slaughter freezes on the screen and some dollar amount gets stamped across their image. And some of them will be voted out because of it and the cycle of shit that is politics in the country will keep turning.



The "wheelchair tax" will become a commonly used phrase leading up to November if it passes.

patteeu
03-19-2010, 01:23 PM
Good point. That's what I was thinking.

:cuss: Damnit, BEP! You jinxed it now!

CoMoChief
03-19-2010, 01:25 PM
They will delay it to get more voters on board.

I really doubt Obama, for his sake, wants to backdoor this thing. That would set off a firestorm and you would have court cases on this and people suing over this and all kinds of shit. Not to mention Obama would just be digging his politcal grave.

bsp4444
03-19-2010, 01:40 PM
It will pass. It needs to pass.


Fire away.

Taco John
03-19-2010, 04:18 PM
Democrats just lost Altmire.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_672516.html


""I regret that this year-long process of debating health care reform has resulted in a final product that I cannot support. The cost of inaction on health care is great, but it would be an even bigger mistake to pass a bill that could compound the problem of skyrocketing health care costs," Altmire said in a statement posted on his Web site.

ltmire said the "vast majority" of people in his district oppose the bill.

"Particularly hard hit would be western Pennsylvania's Medicare beneficiaries, which many experts believe would experience dramatic premium increases with enactment of this bill," Altmire said.

petegz28
03-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Democrats just lost Altmire.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_672516.html


""I regret that this year-long process of debating health care reform has resulted in a final product that I cannot support. The cost of inaction on health care is great, but it would be an even bigger mistake to pass a bill that could compound the problem of skyrocketing health care costs," Altmire said in a statement posted on his Web site.

ltmire said the "vast majority" of people in his district oppose the bill.

"Particularly hard hit would be western Pennsylvania's Medicare beneficiaries, which many experts believe would experience dramatic premium increases with enactment of this bill," Altmire said.

Was he previously a yes or no?

Taco John
03-19-2010, 04:22 PM
According to this Whip count, which I consider to be the best one out there (They're not projecting, but instead going on what the congress people themselves are saying), the Dems are at best case scenario falling 3 votes short.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/19/allen-boyd-to-vote-yes-on-health-care-bill-197-208-205-211-with-leaners/

orange
03-19-2010, 04:22 PM
Was he previously a yes or no?

"Altmire voted against a previous health care bill last year"

Taco John
03-19-2010, 04:23 PM
Was he previously a yes or no?

In November was a no, but was in the undecided column until about an hour ago.

Reaper16
03-19-2010, 04:26 PM
Let's get CoMo in here. Then we'll know.

orange
03-19-2010, 04:27 PM
According to this Whip count, which I consider to be the best one out there (They're not projecting, but instead going on what the congress people themselves are saying), the Dems are at best case scenario falling 3 votes short.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/19/allen-boyd-to-vote-yes-on-health-care-bill-197-208-205-211-with-leaners/

This is obviously heading for some sort of new abortion wording.

Taco John
03-19-2010, 04:29 PM
This is obviously heading for some sort of new abortion wording.

That's what I would think. I'm sure that's going to be the last pin that Nan pulls, and she'll be able to get the Stupak 11 on board. Hard to believe that she'd stick to her guns on this point.

orange
03-19-2010, 04:32 PM
More on that here: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/87865-pro-life-dems-working-on-a-vote-deal

too long to post

Taco John
03-19-2010, 05:00 PM
More on that here: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/87865-pro-life-dems-working-on-a-vote-deal

too long to post



Lot of trust in the Senate required there...

Taco John
03-19-2010, 05:01 PM
More on that here: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/87865-pro-life-dems-working-on-a-vote-deal

too long to post


Pelosi seems to be stuck on it:

Pelosi, however, said she is unaware of any such idea. "I haven't heard any of that," she said at a press conference Friday, though she conceded, "There are members who may be talking." Pelosi also indicated that, on abortion and other areas under dispute among Democrats, the legislation will undergo nothing more than "technical" adjustments before the planned vote on Sunday.


"There will be no further changes in the bill," she said.

petegz28
03-19-2010, 05:06 PM
Pelosi seems to be stuck on it:

Pelosi, however, said she is unaware of any such idea. "I haven't heard any of that," she said at a press conference Friday, though she conceded, "There are members who may be talking." Pelosi also indicated that, on abortion and other areas under dispute among Democrats, the legislation will undergo nothing more than "technical" adjustments before the planned vote on Sunday.


"There will be no further changes in the bill," she said.

And she id a fucking liar. This bill expands abortion beyond belief. Federal funding for abortion???? And it is something they don't want to take out? No, this isn't about abortion. Well it sure in the fuck isn't about improving health care.

orange
03-19-2010, 11:37 PM
Worst peptalk?

So now we got all these people predicting it's going to pass, which they've been doing for a year. They have been predicting they had the votes for a year. Obama had to go to a Republican to try to get him to change his mind, Joseph Cao, Joseph "Cash" Cao of Louisiana. Now, if you gotta go to a Republican, something tells me you're not that close. Bloomberg today, while Fox was saying they were two votes short, was saying the Democrats are ten votes short. But you play the game, I don't care what it is, and in the process you find your opponent's strengths and weaknesses. If your opponent says, "Hey, you know what? We're going to beat you." "Oh, okay. You think you're going to beat us? Well, let's not play the game." Did the Baltimore Colts say, "Okay, you guys win," after Joe Namath guaranteed a Jets victory in the 1969 Super Bowl, hmm?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_031910/content/01125109.guest.html

I know Rush is a football fan, but I think he's forgetting something.

http://www.moorezilla.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Namath.jpg

:doh!:

alanm
03-20-2010, 02:56 AM
It will pass and set off a firestormUnfortunately that's the likely scenario.

Taco John
03-20-2010, 02:08 PM
Despite the flurry of media reports insinuating momentum that isn't there, they don't have the votes yet. Their most likely scenario is 214 votes right now unless they can swing Stupak. Nan is trying to work an executive order compromise, but Obama's weakness on Gitmo undermines it.

orange
03-20-2010, 03:48 PM
3:22 PM ET -- House Dem leader: Reid has more than 50 signatures for reconciliation. Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said just now that his counterpart in the Senate, Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has presented him and Speaker Nancy Pelosi a letter signed by "more than 50" Senators agreeing to pursue reconciliation fixes to the health care bill.

Asked by the Huffington Post what assurances the House had that the Senate would take up their reconciliation fixes, Hoyer flashed a grin and replied that leadership was quite confident the votes would be there. He then revealed for the first time that a letter had been prepared to assuage nervous House Democrats that at least 51 Senators were committed to passing reconciliation.

Rules Committee Chair Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) earlier quipped that the House would need a "blood oath." Asked on Monday what kind of promise she'd want from the Senate, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi offered: "First-born child. Nothing much."

Taco John
03-20-2010, 05:03 PM
Stupak dozen is now Stupak six. Pelosi short 4 votes at this point.

Taco John
03-20-2010, 05:30 PM
Kill the bill rally in DC

http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq47/panamajohn/killthebill03.jpg

http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq47/panamajohn/killthebill04.jpg

Taco John
03-20-2010, 05:39 PM
Boehner is trying to scare the last votes away by talking about how he's going to run the house once he's the majority leader after November. Bluster is about all he can do at this point. It's not over yet, but his bluster isn't exactly reassuring.

orange
03-20-2010, 06:12 PM
Kill the bill rally in DC

Yeah, they're a real credit to the "Tea Party movement"

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/5496/slide_5496_74976_large.jpg

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/5496/slide_5496_74979_large.jpg?1269126711509

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/5496/slide_5496_74977_large.jpg?1269126791015

memyselfI
03-20-2010, 07:25 PM
I'm hoping the silver lining in the Jayhawk loss is that Obummer power's to pick winners keeps going.

Taco John
03-20-2010, 08:02 PM
Yeah, they're a real credit to the "Tea Party movement"


I don't see anything there that is any more outrageous than the anti-war/anti-Bush protests. I applaud both efforts. Public demonstration is a good thing, and edgy messages wouldn't exist if there weren't anger associated with the protests. People have the right to be angry and edgy, provided they are not doing any direct damage to the life, liberty, and property of others.

Bwana
03-20-2010, 08:04 PM
It think it will pass. After that happens, you will see shit hit the fan in this country like never before.

orange
03-20-2010, 08:06 PM
Know what? There was an anti-war demonstration later in the day - that drew many more people.

And I bet the two demonstrations will have just about the same impact.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100320/capt.e8d774575c4b4795bbde1833f50bfec3-e8d774575c4b4795bbde1833f50bfec3-0.jpg?x=213&y=320&xc=1&yc=1&wc=273&hc=410&q=85&sig=JMTarJuekcgCro17CRdvrA--

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100320/ap_on_re_us/us_anti_war_protest

Bwana
03-20-2010, 08:11 PM
Know what? There was an anti-war demonstration later in the day - that drew more people.

And I bet the two demonstrations will have just about the same impact.

So, if this thing does pass, what "impact" do you see it having on the 2010 elections?

orange
03-20-2010, 08:13 PM
So, if this thing does pass, what "impact" do you see it having on the 2010 elections?

I honesty don't know.

But I think it will be trumped by the economy in any case.

Bwana
03-20-2010, 08:16 PM
I honesty don't know.

But I think it will be trumped by the economy in any case.

I agree. I think if this thing goes through tomorrow, the economy is going to take a bigger dive.

Taco John
03-20-2010, 11:23 PM
uh oh...

http://www.rollcall.com/news/44440-1.html

alnorth
03-20-2010, 11:29 PM
I believe this bill is going to pass. I really dont think they would have brought it to the floor if they didn't think they had the votes.

Another big reason that I think this will pass, is because if you want to buy "Obama's Health Care Reform will become law" on intrade, it will cost you 79.9

Taco John
03-20-2010, 11:31 PM
As of right now, Pelosi is short the necessary votes... She's got 204, with 18 undecideds, 10 of which lean in opposition, and 8 unknowns, and a total of 209 no votes.

This thing is going down to the wire.

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 11:36 PM
There just attention whoring they'll vote yes.

Taco John
03-20-2010, 11:44 PM
I believe this bill is going to pass. I really dont think they would have brought it to the floor if they didn't think they had the votes.

Another big reason that I think this will pass, is because if you want to buy "Obama's Health Care Reform will become law" on intrade, it will cost you 79.9

I've been following Intrade, and from the trends, I think that the political hack is in on it right now and it's usefulness as an indicator is currently compromised. I think it's a lot closer to 50-50 right now.

alnorth
03-20-2010, 11:57 PM
There just attention whoring they'll vote yes.

Air Force One is going to be in the air a lot the next few months to deliver on promised luxery plane rides.

Taco John
03-21-2010, 01:33 AM
uh oh...

http://www.rollcall.com/news/44440-1.html



Eva Longoria trying to save the day:

http://twitter.com/EvaLongoria/status/10805732439

alnorth
03-21-2010, 02:03 PM
I've been following Intrade, and from the trends, I think that the political hack is in on it right now and it's usefulness as an indicator is currently compromised. I think it's a lot closer to 50-50 right now.

The cost of that contract just shot up to 95.0 this morning.

I'm guessing based on the discussions with Stupak, they have a plan B.

A) Go to the floor and see if you can pass without him

B) If you are short, hold the vote open, tell Stupak and his gang that they win, give them a promise of an Obama abortion executive order, win

wazu
03-21-2010, 04:34 PM
I have a hard time believing that they are really pushing this vote forward without knowing they have the votes. What a fucking nightmare.

ClevelandBronco
03-21-2010, 04:44 PM
Fuck me. Fuck you. Fuck us.

alnorth
03-21-2010, 04:52 PM
I have a hard time believing that they are really pushing this vote forward without knowing they have the votes. What a ****ing nightmare.

Therefore, the logical conclusion is that they secretly knew all along they had the votes one way or another.

The only question is if they could convince some dems in safe seats to vote for it to allow them to release dems in tougher seats to vote no.

Apparently from what I read they did not need Stupak to pass the bill, but they really wanted him and his gang aboard to allow some conservative dems who had not yet declared to vote no.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 04:54 PM
Change we can believe in!

orange
03-21-2010, 04:58 PM
Change we can believe in!

I guess you didn't notice that Health Care Reform was the centerpiece of Obama's - and EVERY Democrat's - campaign. That they WON on.

wazu
03-21-2010, 05:00 PM
Therefore, the logical conclusion is that they secretly knew all along they had the votes one way or another.

The only question is if they could convince some dems in safe seats to vote for it to allow them to release dems in tougher seats to vote no.

Apparently from what I read they did not need Stupak to pass the bill, but they really wanted him and his gang aboard to allow some conservative dems who had not yet declared to vote no.

Tough to argue with that explanation.

ClevelandBronco
03-21-2010, 05:08 PM
I guess you didn't notice that Health Care Reform was the centerpiece of Obama's - and EVERY Democrat's - campaign. That they WON on.

I'm thinking a couple of things:

1. That many who voted for him didn't notice anything beyond his style of delivery.

2. That what we're getting isn't health care reform at all.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 05:16 PM
I guess you didn't notice that Health Care Reform was the centerpiece of Obama's - and EVERY Democrat's - campaign. That they WON on.

This doesn't reform the health insurance industry as the guy who sold out said "it's a bailout for the health insurance companies". Isn't it great the government is going to force everyone to buy into a private company?

orange
03-21-2010, 05:17 PM
This doesn't reform the health insurance industry as the guy who sold out said "it's a bailout for the health insurance companies". Isn't it great the government is going to force everyone to buy into a private company?

You're right! We need a public option!

Let's get to work on it!

wazu
03-21-2010, 05:21 PM
...many who voted for him didn't notice anything beyond his style of delivery.

Yep. And now the whole "people get the government they deserve" part kicks in.

OmahaChief
03-21-2010, 05:21 PM
I'm thinking a couple of things:

1. That many who voted for him didn't notice anything beyond his style of delivery.

2. That what we're getting isn't health care reform at all.

I could not agree more.

OmahaChief
03-21-2010, 05:22 PM
Yep. And now the whole "people get the government they deserve" part kicks in.

Sadly, those of us who did not vote for the current regime are not getting the government we deserve. Instead we are getting a socialist piece of shit.

wazu
03-21-2010, 05:26 PM
Sadly, those of us who did not vote for the current regime are not getting the government we deserve. Instead we are getting a socialist piece of shit.

While I agree that's true in many respects, consider that most people don't even vote, so all of them get what they deserve. Also consider that the majority of the "opposition" probably voted for Bush twice, and made political hay out of ridiculous issues like gay marriage for a decade prior to the last election to ensure alienation of any voter under the age of 40.

alnorth
03-21-2010, 05:30 PM
Looks like thats the ballgame. 224 dems just voted for an extremely important procedural vote to allow debate to begin. 28 dems and every republican voted no.

Its theoretically possible that 9 dems wanted to vote to allow the debate to begin for an hour then vote no, but thats laughably unlikely.

OmahaChief
03-21-2010, 05:34 PM
Also consider that the majority of the "opposition" probably voted for Bush twice, and made political hay out of ridiculous issues like gay marriage for a decade prior to the last election to ensure alienation of any voter under the age of 40.

That is one thing that I really am down on my party about. Too much worry about gays and marriage and pushing the pro life agenda and not enough reaching out and listening to what a lot of people want.

OmahaChief
03-21-2010, 05:36 PM
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dirk digler
03-21-2010, 05:38 PM
Looks like thats the ballgame. 224 dems just voted for an extremely important procedural vote to allow debate to begin. 28 dems and every republican voted no.

Its theoretically possible that 9 dems wanted to vote to allow the debate to begin for an hour then vote no, but thats laughably unlikely.

I know I will get flack for this but I say good. I don't know if this bill is going to be good or not but JFC I am tired of hearing about health care. Whether it passes or fails I am just glad that after this week I won't have to hear constant talk about it. Let's move on already please.

alnorth
03-21-2010, 05:39 PM
That is one thing that I really am down on my party about. Too much worry about gays and marriage and pushing the pro life agenda and not enough reaching out and listening to what a lot of people want.

Dont forget internet gambling, I still havent figured that one out.

Literally the only useful thing Barney Frank is doing in congress is the fact that he's the undisputed tireless champion for the cause of legalizing internet gambling. I'm sort of hoping he can get it done this year before the election. If they can hurry up and get rid of UIGEA before the election, I'll be a happy camper.

alnorth
03-21-2010, 05:49 PM
I wonder if the networks are going to pre-empt for the final vote in roughly ~2 hours. Seriously, it doesnt get much more important than this, this is like a resolution to authorize war, or the votes that created social security, medicare/medicaid, etc.

Bwana
03-21-2010, 05:53 PM
I guess you didn't notice that Health Care Reform was the centerpiece of Obama's - and EVERY Democrat's - campaign. That they WON on.

Lets see how this works out for them in November.

alnorth
03-21-2010, 05:58 PM
Lets see how this works out for them in November.

This is the sort of issue that a party has to be willing to lose everything for. You dont get the presidency and a massive majority in congress very often.

If the GOP were to ever find themselves in that position, I'd hope they would have the balls to do the same to advance their most cherished priorities, and to hell with the polls.

In the end, a political party seeks power to *DO SOMETHING*. Not merely to stay in congress going with the flow to collect on cool perks and the ego-inflating prestige of being called "congressman" or "senator"

Bwana
03-21-2010, 06:02 PM
This is the sort of issue that a party has to be willing to lose everything for. You dont get the presidency and a massive majority in congress very often.

If the GOP were to ever find themselves in that position, I'd hope they would have the balls to do the same to advance their most cherished priorities, and to hell with the polls.



Yeah...........to hell with the polls, to hell with what the majority of the people out in voter land think. That sounds like a great formula to become unemployed.

ClevelandBronco
03-21-2010, 06:03 PM
This is the sort of issue that a party has to be willing to lose everything for. You dont get the presidency and a massive majority in congress very often.

If the GOP were to ever find themselves in that position, I'd hope they would have the balls to do the same to advance their most cherished priorities...

...like getting rid of this turd of an idea.

orange
03-21-2010, 06:05 PM
...like getting rid of this turd of an idea.

I'm sure they'll get rid of it in the same Act that gets rid of Social Security.

alnorth
03-21-2010, 06:12 PM
Yeah...........to hell with the polls, to hell with what the majority of the people out in voter land think. That sounds like a great formula to become unemployed.

If any congressman said that to me, I'd call him or her a coward right to their face. If he believes in something and the people elected him to congress, he needs to do what he thinks is right. It's up to him to convince the voters that what he did was good for them before the election. If you aren't willing to risk losing your seat because your afraid to do what you think is right, what you ran for congress to do, then you dont belong in congress.

We already have too many corrupt career politicians who have no core beliefs and only care about doing whatever it takes to be re-elected.

Bwana
03-21-2010, 06:21 PM
If any congressman said that to me, I'd call him or her a coward right to their face. If he believes in something and the people elected him to congress, he needs to do what he thinks is right. It's up to him to convince the voters that what he did was good for them before the election. If you aren't willing to risk losing your seat because your afraid to do what you think is right, what you ran for congress to do, then you dont belong in congress.

We already have too many corrupt career politicians who have no core beliefs and only care about doing whatever it takes to be re-elected.

In theory, they are there for the people and have the people's vote in their hands. That's obviously a thing of the past, as will be a lot of seats come November.

ClevelandBronco
03-21-2010, 06:28 PM
I'm sure they'll get rid of it in the same Act that gets rid of Social Security.

From your lips to God's ears.

|Zach|
03-21-2010, 06:56 PM
House Minority Leader John Boehner admonished fellow Republicans to "behave like grown-ups" if the health care bill passes, The Hill reports.

The newspaper quoted lawmakers who joined the Ohio Republican at a brief, closed-door meeting. "We will behave like grown-ups," Boehner warned, rather than singling out Democrats who vote for the measure.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88155-boehner-to-gop-lawmakers-behave-like-grown-ups

Bwana
03-21-2010, 07:00 PM
House Minority Leader John Boehner admonished fellow Republicans to "behave like grown-ups" if the health care bill passes, The Hill reports.

The newspaper quoted lawmakers who joined the Ohio Republican at a brief, closed-door meeting. "We will behave like grown-ups," Boehner warned, rather than singling out Democrats who vote for the measure.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88155-boehner-to-gop-lawmakers-behave-like-grown-ups

Heh, until the campaign trail begins.