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HonestChieffan
03-19-2010, 11:47 AM
Obama Chicago smarmy politics is epic.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/18/nebraska-scores-again-health-care-endgame/

The Obama administration has delivered another budget plum to Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson and the state of Nebraska, adding more than a half-billion dollars for a new veterans hospital in Omaha.

The move reverses a decision by Mr. Obama's own Veterans Administration of a year ago, which called for repairing an existing hospital.

The Veterans Administration made the budget switch during internal deliberations in 2009 at a time when the White House was wooing the moderate Democrat to vote for President Obama's health care overhaul bill.

Mr. Nelson was among the last of the Senate Democrats to sign on to the health bill, deciding to vote "yes" after securing special Medicaid payments for Nebraska in a deal known as the "Cornhusker Kickback." Health care reform opponents have widely panned that deal.

Jake Thompson, a spokesman for Mr. Nelson, rejected the idea the new hospital was awarded in exchange for the senator's health care vote.

Dottefan
03-19-2010, 11:55 AM
I bet from 2007 back you assholes didnt have any complaints , while Bush ran this country into the ground. I wonder why now all you repukes are so fired up? I wonder what must of happend ? I mean did you sleep through Bush taking our balanced budget and sinking us in debt. Did you miss the time that he lied about WMD`s? Did you not know that Bush was a socialist? I mean he did take over the banks and bail them out? ...but now your mad? Now you want to bitch, moan and complain? lol...silly republicans.

Calcountry
03-19-2010, 12:08 PM
I bet from 2007 back you assholes didnt have any complaints , while Bush ran this country into the ground. I wonder why now all you repukes are so fired up? I wonder what must of happend ? I mean did you sleep through Bush taking our balanced budget and sinking us in debt. Did you miss the time that he lied about WMD`s? Did you not know that Bush was a socialist? I mean he did take over the banks and bail them out? ...but now your mad? Now you want to bitch, moan and complain? lol...silly republicans.Because a goddamned low life mutha fugging dumb ass Marxist is trying to DESTROY our country.

penchief
03-19-2010, 08:49 PM
Because a goddamned low life mutha fugging dumb ass Marxist is trying to DESTROY our country.

Marxist? Talk about hyperbole. Besides, Bush already destroyed this country. But as someone already pointed out, that was okay because Bush was a right wing fascist's wet dream.

Communism is not the threat this country needs to worry about. Corporatism is the new threat. Open your eyes to who's actually running this country.

I've never seen so much insanity in my life. Righties really can't stand not being in power. I didn't think it could get any worse than the hissy fit they threw when Clinton was in office. But I think some of you really might go off the deep end.

Please, jump off that Glen Beck bandwagon and check yourselves before it's too late. I'm not happy with the cluster**** right now, either. But come on, get a grip folks.

petegz28
03-19-2010, 08:53 PM
Marxist? Talk about hyperbole. Besides, Bush already destroyed this country. But as someone already pointed out, that was okay because Bush was a right wing fascist's wet dream.

Communism is not the threat this country needs to worry about. Corporatism is the new threat. Open your eyes to who's actually running this country.

I've never seen so much insanity in my life. Righties really can't stand not being in power. I didn't think it could get any worse than the hissy fit they threw when Clinton was in office. But I think some of you really might go off the deep end.

There it is. The Left Wing pavalovian response. Bush did it. By corporatism do you mean the Fed Gov taking over things like banks, automakers and insurance companies? Or by forcing people to go buy insuance from the very insurance companies they villafy everyday?

And don't even get me started about all the whining and crying Reid and Pelosi did when they were in the minority about how they were being ignored and such. If I ever go off the deepend I know I will be behind you.

Saul Good
03-19-2010, 09:04 PM
2 Dem responses, 2 references to Bush...and the band played on.

penchief
03-19-2010, 09:05 PM
There it is. The Left Wing pavalovian response. Bush did it. By corporatism do you mean the Fed Gov taking over things like banks, automakers and insurance companies? Or by forcing people to go buy insuance from the very insurance companies they villafy everyday?

And don't even get me started about all the whining and crying Reid and Pelosi did when they were in the minority about how they were being ignored and such. If I ever go off the deepend I know I will be behind you.

Man, you are annoying as hell. You don't listen to a damn thing anyone ever says. You don't read their posts. And you don't respond to their points. All you ever do is play games.

I told you I'm not happy with the cluster**** right now. Nobody's getting what they want. It's just another example of a good intentions becoming so convoluted by special interests and partisan politics that it's bound to turn out bad.

As far as my comments about Bush, I'm just sick and tired of you righties acting like the world is coming to a ****ing end because Obama is the ****ing anti-Christ and Karl Marx all rolled into one. While you kept your mouths shut when Bush was running this country into the ground about every way imaginable, doing shit like starting phony wars, eroding our liberties and our privacy, and encouraging Wall Street to **** us in the ass.

I could be more sympathetic with some of your concerns if you wouldn't go so overboard. How about just a little more objectivity and a little less batshit crazy? Your uber-partisanship isn't doing anything to help your cause.

penchief
03-19-2010, 09:17 PM
There it is. The Left Wing pavalovian response. Bush did it. By corporatism do you mean the Fed Gov taking over things like banks, automakers and insurance companies? Or by forcing people to go buy insuance from the very insurance companies they villafy everyday?

And don't even get me started about all the whining and crying Reid and Pelosi did when they were in the minority about how they were being ignored and such. If I ever go off the deepend I know I will be behind you.

By the way, the whining I'm talking about was the six year witch hunt designed to destroy a sitting president. Not whining literally, but a proactive effort to regain power via impeachment and character assassination. Maybe if Clinton had given in and attacked Iraq they would have called off the dogs.

petegz28
03-19-2010, 09:18 PM
By the way, the whining I'm talking about was the six year witch hunt designed to destroy a sitting president. Not whining literally, but a proactive effort to regain power via impeachment and character assassination. Maybe if Clinton had given in and attacked Iraq they would have called off the dogs.

Or maybe of hadn't been fucking interns in the Oval Office?

penchief
03-19-2010, 09:26 PM
2 Dem responses, 2 references to Bush...and the band played on.

The only reason I mentioned Bush was because Calcountry said Obama was destroying this country. I think it is a gross omission to not point out that Bush did his share of destroying this country. With nary a peep from you righties. Can't do that. Otherwise, I wouldn't have mentioned Bush.

Besides, Bush has had a lot to do with the state of this country right now. His legacy is strong. Kind of hard not to talk about what's going on now without recognizing that the direction he took this country has had a huge impact on the current state of affairs.

petegz28
03-19-2010, 09:29 PM
Man, you are annoying as hell. You don't listen to a damn thing anyone ever says. You don't read their posts. And you don't respond to their points. All you ever do is play games.

I told you I'm not happy with the cluster**** right now. Nobody's getting what they want. It's just another example of a good intentions becoming so convoluted by special interests and partisan politics that it's bound to turn out bad.

As far as my comments about Bush, I'm just sick and tired of you righties acting like the world is coming to a ****ing end because Obama is the ****ing anti-Christ and Karl Marx all rolled into one. While you kept your mouths shut when Bush was running this country into the ground about every way imaginable, doing shit like starting phony wars, eroding our liberties and our privacy, and encouraging Wall Street to **** us in the ass.

I could be more sympathetic with some of your concerns if you wouldn't go so overboard. How about just a little more objectivity and a little less batshit crazy? Your uber-partisanship isn't doing anything to help your cause.

Objectivity? Here is some objectivity for you. The Democratic Party and Obama after taking over the banks and automakers are now inches away from ramming a bill down our throats by any means necessary to take over 1/6 of our economy and our health care despite the majority of the country being against the bill they are trying to ram through. If you don't want Obama to be called a Marxist or Socialist or whatever then perhaps you should call him and tell him and Pelosi to quit acting like one?

40% tax on brand name drugs...yeah, that will make insurance cheaper
40% tax on "cadillac" plans...yeah, that will make insurance cheaper
40% tax on medical device manufacturers...yeah, that will make health care cheaper
$500bil+ cuts to medicare....yeah, that will improve the quality of care
Price caps on out of pocket expenses for insurace....yeah, that won't raise everyone's rates
Mandating people buy insurance....yeah, that will really show those evil insurance companies who is boss
Subsidies for everyone under the Sun...yeah, that won't raise everyone's rates
Mandated employer coverage...yeah, that is a job creator right there.

Not to mention the increased invasion by and empowerment of the IRS, HHS Secretary and a few handfull of politicians.


Do I need to go on? Is that objective enough for you?

petegz28
03-19-2010, 09:32 PM
The only reason I mentioned Bush was because Calcountry said Obama was destroying this country. I think it is a gross omission to not point out that Bush did his share of destroying this country. With nary a peep from you righties. Can't do that. Otherwise, I wouldn't have mentioned Bush.

Besides, Bush has had a lot to do with the state of this country right now. His legacy is strong. Kind of hard not to talk about what's going on now without recognizing that the direction he took this country has had a huge impact on the current state of affairs.

Bush bears some responsibility, sure. So does then Senator Obama and the rest of the Dems who controlled Congress from 07 on.

penchief
03-19-2010, 09:39 PM
Or maybe of hadn't been ****ing interns in the Oval Office?

He hadn't done that yet when they decided to appoint a partisan independent counsel to conduct an open-ended investigation into everything in his past. Thank God Clinton couldn't keep his dick in his pants or else they would have gone eight years and ended up with nothing but egg on their face. He let them off the hook.

But don't kid yourself. Monica had nothing to do with their motives. Or their attempt to nullify the results of the election. That campaign started the day he stepped foot in the White House.

And of course, the character assassination campaign got all the dittoheads fired up. Just like now. I didn't think it could get any worse but it seems like it is.

petegz28
03-19-2010, 09:39 PM
Oh, and lets add a little more objectivity. After Obama blamed Bush more times than the boy cried wolf, passed a $1tril (which we dont have) spending bill, bailed out the automakers with more tax payer money (we don't have), said "we can't treat the tax payer $'s like monopoly money, screamed at the Repubs about PayGo, said Jobs were his #1 priority, then yesterday signed another spending bill of $117bil (which we don't have), he is about ready to ram this health care bill down our throats and pay for it with money that we still don't have.


Meanwhile almost 70% of the country is screaming about jobs and the economy, telling him to deal with the economy first, health care later. Not a minority of the country, not half the country, the majority of the country.

petegz28
03-19-2010, 09:39 PM
He hadn't done that yet when they decided to appoint a partisan independent counsel to conduct an open-ended investigation into everything in his past. Thank God Clinton couldn't keep his dick in his pants or else they would have gone eight years and ended up with nothing but egg on their face. He let them off the hook.

But don't kid yourself. Monica had nothing to do with their motives. Or their attempt to nullify the results of the election. That campaign started the day he stepped foot in the White House.

And of course, the character assassination campaign got all the dittoheads fired up. Just like now. I didn't think it could get any worse but it seems like it is.

Actually it did blow up in their face in the long run and I am glad it did. I never supported the witch hunt on Clinton. I thought it was petty, distracting and setting a bad precedent.

RedNeckRaider
03-19-2010, 09:42 PM
The only reason I mentioned Bush was because Calcountry said Obama was destroying this country. I think it is a gross omission to not point out that Bush did his share of destroying this country. With nary a peep from you righties. Can't do that. Otherwise, I wouldn't have mentioned Bush.

Besides, Bush has had a lot to do with the state of this country right now. His legacy is strong. Kind of hard not to talk about what's going on now without recognizing that the direction he took this country has had a huge impact on the current state of affairs.

The fact he steered us off course pissed me off. Having a sweet talking moron grab the wheel stomp on the gas and jerk left is some what irritating~

penchief
03-19-2010, 09:45 PM
Objectivity? Here is some objectivity for you. The Democratic Party and Obama after taking over the banks and automakers are now inches away from ramming a bill down our throats by any means necessary to take over 1/6 of our economy and our health care despite the majority of the country being against the bill they are trying to ram through. If you don't want Obama to be called a Marxist or Socialist or whatever then perhaps you should call him and tell him and Pelosi to quit acting like one?

40% tax on brand name drugs...yeah, that will make insurance cheaper
40% tax on "cadillac" plans...yeah, that will make insurance cheaper
40% tax on medical device manufacturers...yeah, that will make health care cheaper
$500bil+ cuts to medicare....yeah, that will improve the quality of care
Price caps on out of pocket expenses for insurace....yeah, that won't raise everyone's rates
Mandating people buy insurance....yeah, that will really show those evil insurance companies who is boss
Subsidies for everyone under the Sun...yeah, that won't raise everyone's rates
Mandated employer coverage...yeah, that is a job creator right there.

Not to mention the increased invasion by and empowerment of the IRS, HHS Secretary and a few handfull of politicians.


Do I need to go on? Is that objective enough for you?

If I had my way I'd scrap the bill and start over. Too many concessions to special interests and too many concessions to appease republicans. That is why it is a cluster****. That's why it's probably going to benefit insurance companies more than it will the citizens.

But if you think that allowing health care to continue the way it was is a viable option you are sadly mistaken. Why don't republicans want to do better for the country? Why do they never come up with proposals? Why are they content with skyrocketing costs and decreasing access? Why can't both democrats and republicans work together to come up with a good bill. Why do republicans outright reject health care reform when it is obvious that change was needed?

If republicans would ever do anything besides suck the cock of the corporate establishment a good bill might acutally be possible. But as long as they are going to protect the status quo at all costs we will never get a good compromise bill.

petegz28
03-19-2010, 09:48 PM
If I had my way I'd scrap the bill and start over. Too many concessions to special interest and too many concessions to appease republicans. That is why it is a cluster****. That's why it's probably going to benefit insurance companies more than it will the citizens.

But if you think that allowing health care to continue the way it was is a viable option you are sadly mistaken. Why don't republicans want to do better for the country? Why are they content with skyrocketing costs and decreasing access? Why can't both democrats and republicans work together to come up with a good bill. Why do republicans outright reject health care reform when it is obvious that change was needed?

I understand why the Dems don't want to scrap it. And they wouldn't have had to scrap it totally if they had played more above board. But now the people simply don't trust how this bill was done let alone what is in it.

I have never said and I think the majority of the country has ever said they don't want health care fixed.

Let me put it this way...

Lets say your house is on fire....your house being health care
The fire dept shows up to put it out and starts tossing gasoline on the fire
You scream...HEY STOP THAT!
They say...you asked us to put it out now sit back and shut up


Does that mean you don't want your fire put out? No. It just means you don't like the way they are going about it.

RedNeckRaider
03-19-2010, 09:55 PM
If I had my way I'd scrap the bill and start over. Too many concessions to special interest and too many concessions to appease republicans. That is why it is a cluster****. That's why it's probably going to benefit insurance companies more than it will the citizens.

But if you think that allowing health care to continue the way it was is a viable option you are sadly mistaken. Why don't republicans want to do better for the country? Why are they content with skyrocketing costs and decreasing access? Why can't both democrats and republicans work together to come up with a good bill. Why do republicans outright reject health care reform when it is obvious that change was needed?

This is the thing I have told my many Republican friends as they proudly recite whatever the latest Rush rant was. F&ck the Republicans and their high ground stance. They have never done shit and have nothing to be proud of. However the enemy of my enemy is my friend so I side with them as I have no other choice~

penchief
03-19-2010, 10:00 PM
The fact he steered us off course pissed me off. Having a sweet talking moron grab the wheel stomp on the gas and jerk left is some what irritating~

He did more than steer us off course. He got us stuck in Iraq. Which, by the way, cost us more than a good health care bill would have. He diverted attention away from the fight against al Qaeda in order to plant our flag in Iraq, thereby, setting us back in Afghanistan.

He followed the Reagan template of overzealous deregulatory policie that enabled Wall Street and the banking industry screw us in the ass and ride off into the sunset with taxpayer money and people's retirements while we were left holding the bag.

He used 9/11 to implement a plethora of totalitarian measures that deprived us of many of our civil liberties, our privacy, and many of our legal protections.

So much of what Bush did was unprecedented. Preemptive war, torture, across the board eavesdropping, etc. that it's hard to say that he just steered us in the wrong direction. He did much more than that. And with so much of it, once the genie is out of the bottle it's almost impossible to get it back in. The negative impact of his presidency may take decades to overcome.

penchief
03-19-2010, 10:06 PM
This is the thing I have told my many Republican friends as they proudly recites whatever the latest Rush rant was. F&ck the Republicans and their high ground stance. They have never down shit and have nothing to be proud of. However the enemy of my enemy is my friend so I side with them as I have no other choice~

I really want the republican party to be more relevent. I want them to come up with good ideas. I would like to vote republican again someday because they represent my interests. But I just get so tired of them only being the party that rejects everything in favor of the status quo. And I get tired of them always attacking everything and everybody.

RedNeckRaider
03-19-2010, 10:06 PM
He did more than steer us off course. He got us stuck in Iraq. Which, by the way, cost us more than a good health care bill would have. He diverted attention away from the fight against al Qaeda in order to plant our flag in Iraq, thereby, setting us back in Afghanistan.

He followed the Reagan template of overzealous deregulatory policie that enabled Wall Street and the banking industry screw us in the ass and ride off into the sunset with taxpayer money and people's retirements while we were left holding the bag.

He used 9/11 to implement a plethora of totalitarian measures that deprived us of many of our civil liberties, our privacy, and many of our legal protections.

So much of what Bush did was unprecedented. Preemptive war, torture, across the board eavesdropping, etc. that it's hard to say that he just steered us in the wrong direction. He did much more than that. And with so much of it, once the genie is out of the bottle it's almost impossible to get it back in. The negative impact of his presidency may take decades to overcome.

Stomping on the gas and jerking the sterring wheel left will do nothing but add more decades of overcoming~

penchief
03-19-2010, 10:13 PM
Stomping on the gas and jerking the sterring wheel left will do nothing but add more decades of overcoming~

I'm all for turning the ship around slowly. And I'm all for finding common ground. But with the influence of special interests and the all-or-nothing approach of too many in politics it's almost impossible to span the partisan divide in order to arrive at a pragmatic solution to anything. It's really very depressing.

RedNeckRaider
03-19-2010, 10:17 PM
I'm all for turning the ship around slowly. And I'm all for finding common ground. But with the all or nothing approach of too many in politics it's almost impossible to span the partisan divide in order to arrive at a pragmatic solution to anything. It's really very depressing.

On this we agree. Our government is corrupt and incompetent and gaining more and more power. It is very depressing~

penchief
03-19-2010, 10:20 PM
On this we agree. Our government is corrupt and incompetent and gaining more and more power. It is very depressing~

Our government has become a proxy for corporate interests. That is where the power lies. IMO, we need to get rid of special interest money and lobbying.

RedNeckRaider
03-19-2010, 10:23 PM
Our government has become a proxy for corporate interests. That is where the power lies. IMO, we need to get rid of special interest money and lobbying.

Yeah and I want to grow taller, younger and better looking ;)

petegz28
03-19-2010, 10:29 PM
He did more than steer us off course. He got us stuck in Iraq. Which, by the way, cost us more than a good health care bill would have. He diverted attention away from the fight against al Qaeda in order to plant our flag in Iraq, thereby, setting us back in Afghanistan.

He followed the Reagan template of overzealous deregulatory policie that enabled Wall Street and the banking industry screw us in the ass and ride off into the sunset with taxpayer money and people's retirements while we were left holding the bag.

He used 9/11 to implement a plethora of totalitarian measures that deprived us of many of our civil liberties, our privacy, and many of our legal protections.

So much of what Bush did was unprecedented. Preemptive war, torture, across the board eavesdropping, etc. that it's hard to say that he just steered us in the wrong direction. He did much more than that. And with so much of it, once the genie is out of the bottle it's almost impossible to get it back in. The negative impact of his presidency may take decades to overcome.

If Iraq has cost us more than a good health care bill would then how has Obama already managed to outspend 8 years of Bush in 1 year?

petegz28
03-19-2010, 10:30 PM
I really want the republican party to be more relevent. I want them to come up with good ideas. I would like to vote republican again someday because they represent my interests. But I just get so tired of them only being the party that rejects everything in favor of the status quo. And I get tired of them always attacking everything and everybody.

You mean like the Dems rejected everything Bush did for 8 years?

penchief
03-19-2010, 10:37 PM
If Iraq has cost us more than a good health care bill would then how has Obama already managed to outspend 8 years of Bush in 1 year?

What Obama has spent thus far has nothing to do with health care. Unless the health care bill passed and I didn't know about it.

And please note, I said a "good" health care bill. Which probably isn't likely because the one that gets passed will probably be another corporate boondoggle.

penchief
03-19-2010, 10:46 PM
You mean like the Dems rejected everything Bush did for 8 years?

Jesus, here we go round and round. You bitch everytime somebody brings up Bush but you do the same thing. You just try to turn everything back around.

The republican party has pretty much established itself as the status quo party. When was the last time they proposed anything that wasn't a tax cut for the wealthy, a corporate giveaway, or some sort of societal restriction?

I'll give them credit for being proactive on the behalf of consolodating wealth and power, and for catering to the corporate establishment and the military-industrial complex, but when was the last time that they actually proposed something that improved the lives of the common man or served the interests of progress?

petegz28
03-19-2010, 11:36 PM
Jesus, here we go round and round. You bitch everytime somebody brings up Bush but you do the same thing. You just try to turn everything back around.

The republican party has pretty much established itself as the status quo party. When was the last time they proposed anything that wasn't a tax cut for the wealthy, a corporate giveaway, or some sort of societal restriction?

I'll give them credit for being proactive on the behalf of consolodating wealth and power, and for catering to the corporate establishment and the military-industrial complex, but when was the last time that they actually proposed something that improved the lives of the common man or served the interests of progress?

So you can blame Bush and bitch about what Repubs did but if someone points out what Dems did it's BS? Ok.

Velvet_Jones
03-20-2010, 01:43 AM
This tread is funny.

penchief
03-20-2010, 06:19 AM
So you can blame Bush and bitch about what Repubs did but if someone points out what Dems did it's BS? Ok.

You haven't heard me praising democrats. In fact, I've bitched more about the fact that they are a bunch of pussies more than anything.

If you notice, most of the time I do what you accuse me of I'm responding to something that somebody else posted. Usually to point out how ridiculously biased and nonobjective it is.

At least I don't start a million biased threads revealing how blindly partiisan I am like someone else I know.

Brainiac
03-20-2010, 11:12 AM
I bet from 2007 back you assholes didnt have any complaints , while Bush ran this country into the ground. I wonder why now all you repukes are so fired up? I wonder what must of happend ? I mean did you sleep through Bush taking our balanced budget and sinking us in debt. Did you miss the time that he lied about WMD`s? Did you not know that Bush was a socialist? I mean he did take over the banks and bail them out? ...but now your mad? Now you want to bitch, moan and complain? lol...silly republicans.

Neg Rep for posting that shit over and over again.

Duck Dog
03-20-2010, 01:45 PM
I bet from 2007 back you assholes didnt have any complaints , while Bush ran this country into the ground. I wonder why now all you repukes are so fired up? I wonder what must of happend ? I mean did you sleep through Bush taking our balanced budget and sinking us in debt. Did you miss the time that he lied about WMD`s? Did you not know that Bush was a socialist? I mean he did take over the banks and bail them out? ...but now your mad? Now you want to bitch, moan and complain? lol...silly republicans.

How is that shtsprayer is banned and this douche is allowed to post?

Duck Dog
03-20-2010, 01:46 PM
WTF does Bush have anything to do with this?

Duck Dog
03-20-2010, 01:47 PM
Neg Rep for posting that shit over and over again.

If I could give him more neg rep, I'd neg rep him into the ground.

Brainiac
03-20-2010, 03:22 PM
If I could give him more neg rep, I'd neg rep him into the ground.
I'd never neg rep somebody for posting something I disagree with, but I neg repped this guy for cutting and pasting the same idiotic opinion into multiple threads.

Nightfyre
03-20-2010, 08:32 PM
hehe. Penchief is so off the deep-end and mis-informed it is funny... or is it?

penchief
03-20-2010, 08:33 PM
hehe. Penchief is so off the deep-end and mis-informed it is funny... or is it?

How so? Be specific.

Nightfyre
03-20-2010, 08:40 PM
How so? Be specific.

He followed the Reagan template of overzealous deregulatory policie that enabled Wall Street and the banking industry screw us in the ass and ride off into the sunset with taxpayer money and people's retirements while we were left holding the bag.

Believe me, this has nothing to do with Bush. Further, Obama is just as bad at it, if not worse.

So much of what Bush did was unprecedented. Preemptive war, torture, across the board eavesdropping, etc. that it's hard to say that he just steered us in the wrong direction. He did much more than that. And with so much of it, once the genie is out of the bottle it's almost impossible to get it back in. The negative impact of his presidency may take decades to overcome.
Speaking of unprecedented, which none of that really was, how is this health care bill not unprecedented? How about the auto bailouts? All of you partisan hacks need to get off the cock of your respective parties and come to grips with reality. The fact is that presently EVERY politician and bureaucrat with any ounce of pull is the slave of a corporation. It doesn't matter who is in office. The same people are getting bailouts well after bush left office and obama entered office.

penchief
03-20-2010, 08:56 PM
Believe me, this has nothing to do with Bush. Further, Obama is just as bad at it, if not worse.


Speaking of unprecedented, which none of that really was, how is this health care bill not unprecedented? How about the auto bailouts? All of you partisan hacks need to get off the cock of your respective parties and come to grips with reality. The fact is that presently EVERY politician and bureaucrat with any ounce of pull is the slave of a corporation. It doesn't matter who is in office. The same people are getting bailouts well after bush left office and obama entered office.

Deregulation has been the republican mantra ever since Reagan. Obama has been deregulating? That's news to me. Now I'm beginning to wonder if it is you who is misinformed.

Do you see me touting the health care bill? Do you see me supporting the bailouts? If you paid attention to my posts you'd know that I haven't supported either of those things. In fact if you've read this thread you'd already know how I feel about the health care bill.

People who like to take misinformed swipes at other people probably shouldn't presume to know what they don't know. It makes them appear as if they are just trying to endear themselves to like-minded posters.

boogblaster
03-20-2010, 09:14 PM
This current cluster has no balls .. health care does need a serious change .. but if you're going to sell a product stick to your guns and sell it .. the last cluster didn't have any problem selling you'll shit .. they just went ahead and did it ...

Bill S Preston
03-20-2010, 09:28 PM
The problem with health care right now is the massive amounts of litigation that buries the health care system at every turn and creates a lack of options for the private consumer to use. To get rid of the monopolized insurance companies you need to make it possible for private business' to have a chance in the market, and it isn't going to happen under the current tort laws. Of course, there is no tort reform in the current bill, and you're going to have the same insurance companies running the health care industry four years from now that are running it right now with the only difference being that Americans will be forced to buy into the system.

Next up on the list is an amnesty bill that they will try to shove through before the elections in November solely to try to save some seats in the House.

Bwana
03-20-2010, 09:36 PM
The problem with health care right now is the massive amounts of litigation that buries the health care system at every turn and creates a lack of options for the private consumer to use. To get rid of the monopolized insurance companies you need to make it possible for private business' to have a chance in the market, and it isn't going to happen under the current tort laws. Of course, there is no tort reform in the current bill, and you're going to have the same insurance companies running the health care industry four years from now that are running it right now with the only difference being that Americans will be forced to buy into the system.

Next up on the list is an amnesty bill that they will try to shove through before the elections in November solely to try to save some seats in the House.

Solid post.

Nightfyre
03-20-2010, 09:45 PM
Deregulation has been the republican mantra ever since Reagan. Obama has been deregulating? That's news to me. Now I'm beginning to wonder if it is you who is misinformed.

Do you see me touting the health care bill? Do you see more supporting the bailouts? If you paid attention to my posts you'd know that I haven't supported either of those things.

People who like to take misinformed swipes at other people probably shouldn't assume to know what they don't know. It makes them appear as if they are just trying to endear themselves to like-minded posters.

No, Obama hasn't done shit on the regulation front, though either. And he shows no aptitude with which to make those decisions either. The fact that he screams that banks should be lending right now speaks to the level of his education on all things banking. further, deregulation is not the cause of the financial crisis. Banks taking too much liquidity risk is exactly what led to this disaster. Indy-mac - Liquidity failure. Bear Stearns - Liquidity failure. Lehman Brothers - Liquidity Failure. There has never been any regulation removed that would have stopped a liquidity failure.

Nightfyre
03-20-2010, 09:46 PM
Deregulation has been the republican mantra ever since Reagan. Obama has been deregulating? That's news to me. Now I'm beginning to wonder if it is you who is misinformed.

Do you see me touting the health care bill? Do you see more supporting the bailouts? If you paid attention to my posts you'd know that I haven't supported either of those things.

People who like to take misinformed swipes at other people probably shouldn't assume to know what they don't know. It makes them appear as if they are just trying to endear themselves to like-minded posters.

No, Obama hasn't done shit on the regulation front, though either. And he shows no aptitude with which to make those decisions either. The fact that he screams that banks should be lending right now speaks to the level of his education on all things banking. further, deregulation is not the cause of the financial crisis. Banks taking too much liquidity risk is exactly what led to this disaster. Indy-mac - Liquidity failure. Bear Stearns - Liquidity failure. Lehman Brothers - Liquidity Failure. There has never been any regulation removed that would have stopped a liquidity failure. So his idle discussion in this respect is worthless.

penchief
03-20-2010, 09:58 PM
No, Obama hasn't done shit on the regulation front, though either. And he shows no aptitude with which to make those decisions either. The fact that he screams that banks should be lending right now speaks to the level of his education on all things banking. further, deregulation is not the cause of the financial crisis. Banks taking too much liquidity risk is exactly what led to this disaster. Indy-mac - Liquidity failure. Bear Stearns - Liquidity failure. Lehman Brothers - Liquidity Failure. There has never been any regulation removed that would have stopped a liquidity failure. So his idle discussion in this respect is worthless.

The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act permitted commercial banks to behave like investment banks which contributed to the housing crisis. The S&L scandal of the eighties was a direct result of Reagan era bank deregulation, as well.

Nevertheless, your initial swipe at me was obviously misinformed. I'm still waiting for you to show me where I have advocated any of that which you assumed I did.

Dottefan
03-21-2010, 10:36 PM
REPUKE..KILL YOURSELF..PLEASE...AND YOUR OFFSPRING..SHOTGUN..GRAB IT..DO IT..DO IT..DO IT

Calcountry
09-01-2010, 05:58 PM
Marxist? Talk about hyperbole. Besides, Bush already destroyed this country. But as someone already pointed out, that was okay because Bush was a right wing fascist's wet dream.

Communism is not the threat this country needs to worry about. Corporatism is the new threat. Open your eyes to who's actually running this country.

I've never seen so much insanity in my life. Righties really can't stand not being in power. I didn't think it could get any worse than the hissy fit they threw when Clinton was in office. But I think some of you really might go off the deep end.

Please, jump off that Glen Beck bandwagon and check yourselves before it's too late. I'm not happy with the cluster**** right now, either. But come on, get a grip folks.How did you like that oil spill?

Bwana
09-01-2010, 06:13 PM
REPUKE..KILL YOURSELF..PLEASE...AND YOUR OFFSPRING..SHOTGUN..GRAB IT..DO IT..DO IT..DO IT


So sorry this bag of shit got banned. LMAO

Radar Chief
09-01-2010, 06:27 PM
So sorry this bag of shit got banned. LMAO

Was he banned, or did he shit his pants and leave?
His dissaperance coincides with Hog Farmer calling his bluff to meet in person and sending a couple of his friends to check out the address Dottefan left.

munkey
09-01-2010, 06:28 PM
[QUOTE=Bwana;6970004]So sorry this bag of shit got banned. LMAO[/QUO

...maybe penchief can join the club? I have the ignorant POS liberal on ignore but he's quoted ALL THE TIME... :Lin:

BucEyedPea
09-01-2010, 06:47 PM
Because a goddamned low life mutha fugging dumb ass Marxist is trying to DESTROY our country.

Sounds like Bush II.

BucEyedPea
09-01-2010, 06:48 PM
The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act permitted commercial banks to behave like investment banks which contributed to the housing crisis. The S&L scandal of the eighties was a direct result of Reagan era bank deregulation, as well.


They repealed it and replaced it with new untried regulations. Overall there was no de-regulation.

BucEyedPea
09-01-2010, 06:49 PM
[QUOTE=Bwana;6970004]So sorry this bag of shit got banned. LMAO[/QUO

...maybe penchief can join the club? I have the ignorant POS liberal on ignore but he's quoted ALL THE TIME... :Lin:

Me too.