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milkman
03-20-2010, 08:34 AM
Saw this posted eleswhere.
Took a quick look around and didn't see it here.
If it's repost, then that's just too damn bad.

Frankie gets to give me shit, though, if it is.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/365761-kansas-cith-chiefs-offensive-line-analysis


With the addition of what should be two new starters, I thought I would give you a few facts that the public is not aware of, along with some personal reflection on my part.

The Chiefs have made some positive moves this past week, but the team knows a lot more has to be done. They need a right tackle and depth.

I thought I would expand a bit and give some statistics you will rarely see anywhere.

First of all, this OL was bad last year, but that's in the past.

Lets look at the starters at this point.



BRANDEN ALBERT

Albert did not have the greatest of seasons in this year's rankings. His overall ranking was in the bottom 20 percent among offensive tackles in the league. He gave up seven sacks and 18 QB pressures playing left tackle. He was also guilty of being called for 13 penalties—that was more than any tackle in football.

I think a lot of the problem with Albert was that he played hurt. He started the year injured but was still willing to play. One would have to wonder if that in any way hindered his performance. I believe it did.

Albert is too gifted to not succeed at that position. We have not seen Albert at his best.

As a straight-ahead run blocker, at the line, he has average strength. It's when he's on the move that he is most dangerous.

At Virginia, Albert pulled frequently from his left guard position. The longer he ran, the bigger the impact. He was a BEAST when it came to blocking on the move—I mean he exploded into guys on the second level and drove them into the ground. That was the big reason for his success—his explosion on the move.

I would think that with Charles and Jones, who are better in space, Albert should find more confidence that will help him from being measured only by his ability to pass block. If healthy, he'll get a lot better. He has the feet to protect the quarterback.

One more note about Albert: Many have said that he was a natural guard in college and that he didn't play tackle because Eugene Monroe was better. That is totally untrue. The reason he played guard is because Monroe refused to. Albert made that move inside because he was an unselfish player. So before people jump to conclusions, they shouldn't speak at all unless they know the whole story.

The people involved in this falsehood were fellow divisional "bashers" not Chief bloggers



BRIAN WATERS

Waters had a very poor season as well, mostly because of aging. He ranked 20th amongst players at his position, and most of the reason he was that high was because of his excellent pass protection. For the season, he was charged with only giving up one sack. In addition, when blocking straight ahead, he opened a few holes. But his mobility is the problem at this point in his career.

His other problems? Penalties.

Like Albert, he was the most penalized player at his position in the game.

Despite those figures he's still a very good player—just not one of the best anymore.



CASEY WEIGMANN

Weigmann ranked 23rd out of the 32 starting offensive centers last year. At his age, his better years are behind him, but that doesn't mean he can't play. He was only slightly better at pass blocking than Niswanger, but he graded out much better as a run blocker.

Weigman, of course, played in a zone-blocking scheme in Denver and played extremely well these past few years, proving that he was not as washed up as the Chiefs thought. He still excels in making line calls and adjustments, and he can still pull.

Remember those classic sweeps that Priest Holmes ran under Vermeil? It was Weigmann that was the first guy down the field, not Roaf or Shields. The problem now, however, is how much does he have left?



RYAN LILJA

Well, we all know his story, so I won't repeat it. Lilja graded out at 14th at offensive guard—which is very good. It is by far the best grade of any Chief lineman last year.

Despite being 290 pounds, it is his run blocking that stood out more than his pass protection. He was in the top five out of 64 guards when it came to screen blocking—great news for the Chiefs with both Albert and Weigmann excelling in that area.

He did not give up many sacks, but you have to take into account the quarterback that was behind him all these years.

Indianapolis usually leads the NFL in pass protection, but its not because the line is that talented. It's because they have Peyton Manning. It is Manning's intelligence, ability to get rid of the ball quickly, short drops, making quick reads, and throwing the ball away that skewed their stats favorably.

Without a doubt though, Lilja will play as well as Cassel plays, which means that Cassel needs to play well.



RYAN O'CALLIGHAN

Do you really want to know? I didn't think so.

Actually I thought he did OK, but looks are deceiving. He finished 57th. He played less than 850 snaps and still gave up nine sacks and was responsible for 24 QB pressures. His run blocking was just as bad, and he got flagged a lot to boot. Its very clear with this guy—bad starter, but decent, experienced backup.



As for the backups, well, if everything was great in Kansas City most of the guys mentioned would be the backups. Niswanger provides depth at center. Ndukwe played out of position at tackle, but is really their depth at guard. After that, all bets are off.

So where does that leave the Chiefs?

They need to get a stud right tackle for sure and a few guys they can groom for the immediate future.

Many people now feel that Bulaga and Okung don't seem to fit at this point.

But they're wrong.

Both of those guys are outstanding run blockers and would be great right tackles. In addition, that player would provide depth at left tackle, should Albert get hurt. Last year, they played the season without one.

No matter how you slice it, the Chiefs now have a better line, and that's good news.

But it's not rebuilt yet. We'll see where they are after draft days.


(Props to HG at HoTC)

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 08:38 AM
I could save that guy time in his write up but just simply saying this: Chiefs O-line sucks.

Hog Farmer
03-20-2010, 08:46 AM
Didn't realize Albert and Waters both had the most penalties for their respective positions in the league.

Also makes you wonder how good Lilja really is now that Superman is not his QB.

We do need to draft OL badly. I can live with Clausen/Suh/Berry/Okung/Baluga.

Any of those will help our team.

Marcellus
03-20-2010, 08:50 AM
I could save that guy time in his write up but just simply saying this: Chiefs O-line sucks.

That is all you took from the article?

TheGuardian
03-20-2010, 08:51 AM
One more note about Albert: Many have said that he was a natural guard in college and that he didn't play tackle because Eugene Monroe was better. That is totally untrue. The reason he played guard is because Monroe refused to. Albert made that move inside because he was an unselfish player. So before people jump to conclusions, they shouldn't speak at all unless they know the whole story.

Someone should keep reposting this until the dumbass mf'ers who keep saying Albert isn't a true LT STFU.

Marcellus
03-20-2010, 08:51 AM
Didn't realize Albert and Waters both had the most penalties for their respective positions in the league.

Also makes you wonder how good Lilja really is now that Superman is not his QB.

We do need to draft OL badly. I can live with Clausen/Suh/Berry/Okung/Baluga.

Any of those will help our team.

I find the Lilja info interesting. 14th best out of 64 guards. I know Manning was part of it but that's still pretty good.

milkman
03-20-2010, 08:54 AM
I'm not overly concerned about the penalties stats.
The majority of those penalties were false starts.

Install a brand new scheme just two weeks prior to the start, and that's what you get.

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 08:55 AM
That is all you took from the article?

I didn't read it. 1 guards played has declined for a few years now the other supposedly failed a physical, and the center is 37 years old and got thrown around like a rag doll. Forgive me for not being excited about the o-line.

Hog Farmer
03-20-2010, 08:55 AM
I find the Lilja info interesting. 14th best out of 64 guards. I know Manning was part of it but that's still pretty good.


I'm afraid Manning could have easily been 95% of it.

milkman
03-20-2010, 09:02 AM
I didn't read it. 1 guards played has declined for a few years now the other supposedly failed a physical, and the center is 37 years old and got thrown around like a rag doll. Forgive me for not being excited about the o-line.

Read the fucking thing.

It actually gives far more insight than "the O-Line sucks".

You might actually learn something.















Oh, hell, who am I kidding?

Never mind.

Marcellus
03-20-2010, 09:03 AM
I didn't read it. 1 guards played has declined for a few years now the other supposedly failed a physical, and the center is 37 years old and got thrown around like a rag doll. Forgive me for not being excited about the o-line.

Nope you didn't read it.

Fairplay
03-20-2010, 09:03 AM
Chiefs line still needs improvement.

Minor changes at best so far.

Marcellus
03-20-2010, 09:04 AM
I'm afraid Manning could have easily been 95% of it.

His run blocking skills aren't on Manning.

Marcellus
03-20-2010, 09:05 AM
The comment about screen blocking with Lilja, Weigmann, and Albert is good news. With JC's wheels that could be huge.

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 09:09 AM
Read the ****ing thing.

It actually gives far more insight than "the O-Line sucks".

You might actually learn something.















Oh, hell, who am I kidding?

Never mind.

I just read it and it was 5 minutes of my life i'll never get back. Whats the fucking point we already knew all this.

Douche Baggins
03-20-2010, 09:11 AM
I just read it and it was 5 minutes of my life i'll never get back. Whats the fucking point we already knew all this.

There are a bunch of ignorami who don't know it. Good post by milkman.

JimNasium
03-20-2010, 09:12 AM
My only concern about Weigmann and Lilja is their size. I'm assuming scheme will help with that. Perhaps one of the resident geniouses (CPS) can weigh in on this.

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 09:13 AM
I'm trying to remember what 1st pick San Diego has on the o-line. I know they have a franchise QB and a bunch of playmakers. Hmmmm.

Marcellus
03-20-2010, 09:15 AM
My only concern about Weigmann and Lilja is their size. I'm assuming scheme will help with that. Perhaps one of the resident geniouses (CPS) can weigh in on this.

I am less concerned now knowing the graded better at run blocking than pass protection.

I just hope they can pass protect adequately but if we can run the ball well that's less of an issue.

Dave Lane
03-20-2010, 09:28 AM
That is all you took from the article?

I took from it that the writer sure was busy finding reasons for Alberts fail.

milkman
03-20-2010, 09:33 AM
I took from it that the writer sure was busy finding reasons for Alberts fail.

I took it from your posts that you are a useless dumbass.

milkman
03-20-2010, 09:35 AM
The only reason the writer cited for Albert's struggles was an injury at the start of the season, but in useless dumbass' mind, that's a "busy finding reasons".

Dave Lane
03-20-2010, 09:43 AM
I took it from your posts that you are a useless dumbass.

Stop reading your posts and life will be better!

JASONSAUTO
03-20-2010, 10:20 AM
I just read it and it was 5 minutes of my life i'll never get back. Whats the fucking point we already knew all this.

damn it took 5 minutes for you to read that? how long does it take for it to actually sink in?
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JASONSAUTO
03-20-2010, 10:22 AM
I'm trying to remember what 1st pick San Diego has on the o-line. I know they have a franchise QB and a bunch of playmakers. Hmmmm.

hmmmm how many superbowls have they won again? bad comparison
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milkman
03-20-2010, 10:26 AM
damn it took 5 minutes for you to read that? how long does it take for it to actually sink in?
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Are you a patient sort?

milkman
03-20-2010, 10:27 AM
hmmmm how many superbowls have they won again? bad comparison
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Not really.

The Chargers have the talent to win a SB.
Coaching holds them back.

They're the Chiefs of the this decade.

JASONSAUTO
03-20-2010, 10:28 AM
Are you a patient sort?

nope, and im smart enough to not be holding my breath
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spanky 52
03-20-2010, 10:29 AM
I didn't realize O''Callahan was that bad. After Mcintosh he looked like a pro bowler. I'm no football expert but I've read a lot about Saffold out of IN and he can play either right guard or right tackle, and he seems to be rising on most draft boards. Is the 36th pick too high for him?

JASONSAUTO
03-20-2010, 10:30 AM
Not really.

The Chargers have the talent to win a SB.
Coaching holds them back.

They're the Chiefs of the this decade.

their players have choked almost as much as the coaches IMO
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milkman
03-20-2010, 10:40 AM
their players have choked almost as much as the coaches IMO
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When you play not to lose, as Marty did throughout most his coaching career in the playoffs, with the Chiefs and the Chargers, then you put your players in a position where mistakes are magified.

In essense, Marty's philosophy resulted in what some would describe as players choking.

Last year, the Chargers went into that Jet game with a game plan centered on a brokedick Tomlinson.

All I want to know is, what was Norv Turner smoking?

FAX
03-20-2010, 10:40 AM
I didn't realize O''Callahan was that bad. ...

Me, either. And you're right, Mr. spanky, after McInsuck he seemed like a Godsend.

Still, we knew we needed a right tackle. It's, frankly, amazing how far our o-line has fallen. Carl did us no favors in this regard. Nobody was in line to step up when our Big Willie and Medium-Sized Willie retired.

FAX

FAX
03-20-2010, 10:43 AM
... All I want to know is, what was Norv Turner smoking?

Your thirst for knowledge is inspiring, Mr. milkman.

ROFL

Seriously, good post. This pretty much validates your opinion of Albert which is encouraging. The rest of the line? ... not looking too good, here.

It will piss a lot of people off, but we need to spend draft picks (and probably some high ones) for linemen. We simply have to have them.

FAX

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 10:56 AM
hmmmm how many superbowls have they won again? bad comparison
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It was the o-lines fault for not winnning a super bowl? Dumbass.

Mr. Laz
03-20-2010, 11:02 AM
At least we know this ... Ron Tepper is a CPlanet poster.

Buehler445
03-20-2010, 11:03 AM
Good read MM. I think Lilja is done, JMO. Albert hopefully gets better and becomes the player he can be. We need a RT bad. Maybe Big Bad Barry will finally step.
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milkman
03-20-2010, 11:04 AM
At least we know this ... Ron Tepper is a CPlanet poster.

At least we know.....dumbasses will never consider the idea that they may be wrong.

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 11:05 AM
Good read MM. I think Lilja is done, JMO. Albert hopefully gets better and becomes the player he can be. We need a RT bad. Maybe Big Bad Barry will finally step.
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I dobut Richardson will ever be anything. I'd be for drafting cousin fucker I guess in the later rounds.

FAX
03-20-2010, 11:07 AM
Is Barry Richardson that giant guy we drafted?

EDIT: No ... I'm thinking of Colin Brown.

FAX

Mr. Laz
03-20-2010, 11:09 AM
At least we know.....dumbasses will never consider the idea that they may be wrong.
At least we know ... Milkman is still a raging prick with a big mouth.

milkman
03-20-2010, 11:10 AM
At least we know ... Milkman is still a raging prick with a big mouth.

Have I ever argued that I'm not?

I'm not sure how it's insulting if true.

It's like saying I have brown hair with some gray sneaking in.

Mr. Laz
03-20-2010, 11:11 AM
Have I ever argued that I'm not?
Dane would be so proud

Coogs
03-20-2010, 11:11 AM
I'm all for drafting a RT. Just not at position #5. And not drafting a LT at #5 and moving Albert either. If we trade down somehow... our #5 and #50 for SF's #13 and #17 for example is a wash on points... then I am OK if one of those two picks is spent on a RT. No trade down, which is more likely, I would draft a RT late 2nd or eraly 3rd. JMO

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 11:16 AM
If you don't agree with Laz your Danes pet. Is that all you ball lickers can come up with?

Coogs
03-20-2010, 11:18 AM
I need some help here. It is hell getting old, and not remembering things as clearly as in my younnger days. What was Alberts injury? I know his rookie year he had a leg in training camp, and then an elbow during the season, but I can not remember his injury from last season.

JASONSAUTO
03-20-2010, 11:18 AM
It was the o-lines fault for not winnning a super bowl? Dumbass.

did i say that? just IMO its not too smart to compare situations with a team that constantly under achieves. if you want playoff disappointment do what the chargers have done
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Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 11:19 AM
did i say that? just IMO its not too smart to compare situations with a team that constantly under achieves. if you want playoff disappointment do what the chargers have done
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Name the first round picks on the Colts, Giants, and Saints o-line when they won super bowls.

milkman
03-20-2010, 11:22 AM
I need some help here. It is hell getting old, and not remembering things as clearly as in my younnger days. What was Alberts injury? I know his rookie year he had a leg in training camp, and then an elbow during the season, but I can not remember his injury from last season.

Not sure.

He might be alluding to that problem Albert had with with feeling a loss of energy and weak after the quick weight loss.

FAX
03-20-2010, 11:23 AM
I thought Albert had a knee or ankle or something ... in pre-season. Remember?

EDIT: ... or in an early season game. Smith came in ... remember?

FAX

JASONSAUTO
03-20-2010, 11:24 AM
Name the first round picks on the Colts, Giants, and Saints o-line when they won super bowls.

are you actually trying to say that a team CANT win with first round picks on the o line?


and to your earlier post i find it amusing that you call me a dumbass after you waded into this thread talking shit BEFORE actually you know READING THE ARTICLE
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JASONSAUTO
03-20-2010, 11:26 AM
I thought Albert had a knee or ankle or something ... in pre-season. Remember?

FAX

i initially thought it was an ankle, but im not sure
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DaneMcCloud
03-20-2010, 11:29 AM
The Chiefs need to come away with good center and right tackle prospects in the draft if they truly want their offensive line to improve.

The good thing about Lilja's contract is that it's small, so that doesn't necessarily dictate that he'll be the starter. Hopefully, a younger guy (Brown) emerges this season.

Rausch
03-20-2010, 11:34 AM
The Chiefs need to come away with good center and right tackle prospects in the draft if they truly want their offensive line to improve.

The good thing about Lilja's contract is that it's small, so that doesn't necessarily dictate that he'll be the starter. Hopefully, a younger guy (Brown) emerges this season.

Exactly.

We've added talent and we need more. This is a good start. A foundation...

JASONSAUTO
03-20-2010, 11:39 AM
Exactly.

We've added talent and we need more. This is a good start. A foundation...

heres hoping they look for younger guys to groom... but maybe we have options in brown and harris
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DBOSHO
03-20-2010, 11:42 AM
What is a zone blocking scheme and how does it differ from the blocking scheme that we run?

FAX
03-20-2010, 11:47 AM
What is a zone blocking scheme and how does it differ from the blocking scheme that we run?

In a zone system, the linemen block an "area" rather than a specific "man". They just try to clear an area. Honestly, I think we've been running both depending on the play call.

FAX

DBOSHO
03-20-2010, 11:50 AM
In a zone system, the linemen block an "area" rather than a specific "man". They just try to clear an area. Honestly, I think we've been running both depending on the play call.

FAX

Hmmmm

thanks FAX

Wilson8
03-20-2010, 11:51 AM
I thought Albert had a knee or ankle or something ... in pre-season. Remember?

EDIT: ... or in an early season game. Smith came in ... remember?

FAX

In 2009 the injury was an ankle for week 6 and 7.

In 2008 it was a dislocated elbow.

FAX
03-20-2010, 11:52 AM
Hmmmm

thanks FAX

I've been told (although I don't know how accurate this is) that, generally, in a "zone" blocking system, you need more athletic linemen. That's why the goats brought in Wiegmann. He is/was very good in space. Whereas, in a "man" scheme, the linemen don't have to be quite as mobile.

FAX

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 11:52 AM
are you actually trying to say that a team CANT win with first round picks on the o line?


and to your earlier post i find it amusing that you call me a dumbass after you waded into this thread talking shit BEFORE actually you know READING THE ARTICLE
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I'm saying there are impact players at 5. You can draft a guy like cousin fucker in the later rounds who will be just as good as the shit drafted in the top 10 it will just take more time.

JASONSAUTO
03-20-2010, 12:05 PM
I'm saying there are impact players at 5. You can draft a guy like cousin fucker in the later rounds who will be just as good as the shit drafted in the top 10 it will just take more time.

when did i say that we should draft an oline at 5 ? and i thought the guy fucked his sister? its starting to seem like you want us to draft this guy which coming from you is understandable
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Coogs
03-20-2010, 12:18 PM
In 2009 the injury was an ankle for week 6 and 7.

In 2008 it was a dislocated elbow.

OK, Thanks. And wasn't Albert significantly better the last half of the season? Which would make the injury thing sort of a non-issue.

TheGuardian
03-20-2010, 12:36 PM
I read through all this crap and can't get that time back so I'll make a few comments -

The Chargers are NOT that talented. That's been a myth for a while. It's not coaching that holds them back it's the fact that that team gets to win a lot of games playing in a weak division and when they face playoff teams they get their shit pushed in. Rivers is a good QB but really overrated by some on this board. Some even state shit like "I'd take him over Brees" when Brees is CLEARLY the superior player. That is NOT even a discussion.

Albert is a TRUE left tackle. His feet are fantastic. However he was injured early and also trying to get used to playing at a new weight. The last 4-5 games of the season he was dominate. However because some people don't watch the games they just kept saying "Albert sucks, we have to replace him" without even seeing he was playing at a very high level to close out the season.

We do badly need a right tackle. I have a feeling if we don't upgrade that spot before camp all season I'm going to be punching myself in the nuts watching that RT spot.

Deberg_1990
03-20-2010, 12:41 PM
The Chargers are NOT that talented. That's been a myth for a while. It's not coaching that holds them back it's the fact that that team gets to win a lot of games playing in a weak division and when they face playoff teams they get their shit pushed in. Rivers is a good QB but really overrated by some on this board.

:facepalm:

Unreal the amount of garbage that gets said around here.

Not saying they are the best team in the NFL, but they are clearly pretty talented.

TheGuardian
03-20-2010, 12:47 PM
:facepalm:

Unreal the amount of garbage that gets said around here.

Not saying they are the best team in the NFL, but they are clearly pretty talented.

Yes like saying the Chargers are deep and talented all over. Their record is more a reflection of the state of the AFC West for the past several years, not how great the Chargers are. Their secondary is weak, their linebackers are average and Jamal Williams is gone now and wasn't that great last year. Merriman hasn't been the same since he dropped his roid use and Phillips isn't so hot without Merriman on roids.

So what do they have? Vincent Jackson, Darren Sproles who is nothing more than a change of pace back, and Phillip Rivers.

So no, they aren't that talented.

Deberg_1990
03-20-2010, 12:50 PM
Yes like saying the Chargers are deep and talented all over. Their record is more a reflection of the state of the AFC West for the past several years, not how great the Chargers are. Their secondary is weak, their linebackers are average and Jamal Williams is gone now and wasn't that great last year. Merriman hasn't been the same since he dropped his roid use and Phillips isn't so hot without Merriman on roids.

So what do they have? Vincent Jackson, Darren Sproles who is nothing more than a change of pace back, and Phillip Rivers.

So no, they aren't that talented.

OK whatever. u win.

TheGuardian
03-20-2010, 12:51 PM
i know.

orange
03-20-2010, 01:49 PM
One more note about Albert: Many have said that he was a natural guard in college and that he didn't play tackle because Eugene Monroe was better. That is totally untrue. The reason he played guard is because Monroe refused to. Albert made that move inside because he was an unselfish player. So before people jump to conclusions, they shouldn't speak at all unless they know the whole story.

If you keep posting that often enough, maybe time will warp and it will become true.

High school career
Monroe played at Plainfield High School in Plainfield, New Jersey. He was a SuperPrep All-American, a Parade All-American and All-USA by USA Today. Monroe was a two-time First-team All-State lineman after going the final 25 games of his career without allowing a quarterback sack. Monroe was considered a five-star recruit by Rivals.com and was ranked first among the top offensive tackle prospects in 2005.[1]


Considered only a two-star recruit by Rivals.com, Albert was not ranked among the nations top recruits.[2] Because he had played football for only one season, but also because of Albert's poor grades, the University of Virginia was the only school to offer Albert a scholarship.[1]

College career
Still struggling academically, Albert spent the 2004 season at Hargrave Military Academy. He played football and was able to obtain a qualifying grade-point average and standardized test score.


Monroe was recruited for the position, and he never lost it. Albert was an afterthought who filled in for Monroe two games without making a fool of himself.
And by the way, while the Brick was still there: As a freshman at the University of Virginia, Monroe played left tackle and right guard and played in every game.

You're entitled to your woody for Albert - that's a matter of opinion. But facts are facts.

KC Tattoo
03-20-2010, 01:56 PM
I think Barry Richardson should be the RT. He is huge and powerfull. I know he is a raw tallent and needs work but I wouldn't give up on him. I think he will prove himself valuable on this team. He is still a young prospect much to learn, yet I have faith in him to do it.

milkman
03-20-2010, 02:06 PM
If you keep posting that often enough, maybe time will warp and it will become true.

High school career

Monroe played at Plainfield High School in Plainfield, New Jersey. He was a SuperPrep All-American, a Parade All-American and All-USA by USA Today. Monroe was a two-time First-team All-State lineman after going the final 25 games of his career without allowing a quarterback sack. Monroe was considered a five-star recruit by Rivals.com and was ranked first among the top offensive tackle prospects in 2005.[1]


Considered only a two-star recruit by Rivals.com, Albert was not ranked among the nations top recruits.[2] Because he had played football for only one season, but also because of Albert's poor grades, the University of Virginia was the only school to offer Albert a scholarship.[1]

College career
Still struggling academically, Albert spent the 2004 season at Hargrave Military Academy. He played football and was able to obtain a qualifying grade-point average and standardized test score.

Monroe was recruited for the position, and he never lost it. Albert was an afterthought who filled in for Monroe two games without making a fool of himself.
And by the way, while the Brick was still there: As a freshman at the University of Virginia, Monroe played left tackle and right guard and played in every game.

You're entitled to your woody for Albert - that's a matter of opinion. But facts are facts.

And you can post all the bullshit you want.

Al Groh said that Albert was set to start at LT, but an inury to Albert's replacement at LG changed the plan, and Monroe didn't have Albert's mobility to move in space, an attribute his offense needed.

I have no link.
Just an interview I heard.

Them's the facts.

BCD
03-20-2010, 02:18 PM
Yes, because he's a moron.That is all you took from the article?
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orange
03-20-2010, 02:26 PM
And you can post all the bullshit you want.

Al Groh said that Albert was set to start at LT, but an inury to Albert's replacement at LG changed the plan, and Monroe didn't have Albert's mobility to move in space, an attribute his offense needed.

I have no link.
Just an interview I heard.

Them's the facts.

Al Groh you say?


"We saw Eugene as the natural heir apparent," Groh said. "Behind 'Brick,' he was only going to play so much, but he was going to get a taste of it and be ready to go.

"Then, the second or third day of his first spring practice, he dislocated his knee. So, he missed the whole spring and was severely impeded by it over the course of the next season."

Monroe was so ineffective early in the season that he lost his starting job to Zak Stair, although he got his job back for the last month of the season and started six games overall.

Doctors had cleared Monroe to begin the 2006 season, "but, frankly, if we had a way to look into the future and known how much he was going to be impeded, we probably wouldn't have played him," Groh said.

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/uvafootball/wb/202396

So Monroe played the whole season with an injury. Do you suppose that might have affected his mobility? Fortunately, when he couldn't get it done, Groh was able to turn to his first choice Branden Albert Zak Stair to start in his place.

THEM'S the facts.

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 02:29 PM
Yes, because he's a moron.
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You used your 10 minute break at McDonalds to log in and talk trash? You renegade.

Douche Baggins
03-20-2010, 02:32 PM
You used your 10 minute break at McDonalds to log in and talk trash? You renegade.

LOL this is actually pretty funny.

DaWolf
03-20-2010, 02:40 PM
I'm trying to remember what 1st pick San Diego has on the o-line. I know they have a franchise QB and a bunch of playmakers. Hmmmm.

They're also a one dimensional team that can't run the ball. That's why when they ran into a D like the Jets, they did nothing...

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 02:42 PM
They're also a one dimensional team that can't run the ball. That's why when they ran into a D like the Jets, they did nothing...

That was 1 season and I don't think it was because the line more so the decline of LT.

DaWolf
03-20-2010, 02:48 PM
That was 1 season and I don't think it was because the line more so the decline of LT.

Possibly, although I read somewhere after LT signed with the Jets that he was moving from one of the worst run blocking OL's in the league to one of the best, so my impression is that the line has been slipping more into a pass protection first mentality in SD. I credit that to Norv Turner, who is probably one of the softest football coaches out there...

BCD
03-20-2010, 05:12 PM
No, I posted that while your girlfriend was blowing me.You used your 10 minute break at McDonalds to log in and talk trash? You renegade.
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milkman
03-20-2010, 07:32 PM
Al Groh you say?

"We saw Eugene as the natural heir apparent," Groh said. "Behind 'Brick,' he was only going to play so much, but he was going to get a taste of it and be ready to go.

"Then, the second or third day of his first spring practice, he dislocated his knee. So, he missed the whole spring and was severely impeded by it over the course of the next season."

Monroe was so ineffective early in the season that he lost his starting job to Zak Stair, although he got his job back for the last month of the season and started six games overall.

Doctors had cleared Monroe to begin the 2006 season, "but, frankly, if we had a way to look into the future and known how much he was going to be impeded, we probably wouldn't have played him," Groh said.

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/uvafootball/wb/202396
So Monroe played the whole season with an injury. Do you suppose that might have affected his mobility? Fortunately, when he couldn't get it done, Groh was able to turn to his first choice Branden Albert Zak Stair to start in his place.

THEM'S the facts.

Well then, he was talking out of both sides of his ass, wasn't he.

aturnis
03-20-2010, 10:16 PM
I'm not overly concerned about the penalties stats.
The majority of those penalties were false starts.

Install a brand new scheme just two weeks prior to the start, and that's what you get.

Lots of holding calls on Albert and Waters too. Especially on longer runs.

aturnis
03-20-2010, 10:19 PM
I find the Lilja info interesting. 14th best out of 64 guards. I know Manning was part of it but that's still pretty good.

You must not have read the Lilja thread. I kept bringing up these facts to call out Dane as he said Lilja sucks, he's done, his knees are shot. Fact is though, Dane's more than likely wrong. Well, the only thing I know for sure he's wrong on is his run blocking. Manning could still have a lot to do with Lilja's success.

Mecca
03-20-2010, 10:29 PM
The mere suggestion that Okung or Bulaga are ok because we need a RT is just awful.

That is not how you build championship teams.

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 10:34 PM
No, I posted that while your girlfriend was blowing me.
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Doubtful she could find your cawk.

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 10:35 PM
The mere suggestion that Okung or Bulaga are ok because we need a RT is just awful.

That is not how you build championship teams.

Dude draft Tony Washington in the 4th round. He'll be just as good as anyone of the "elite" prospects ater a few years.

milkman
03-20-2010, 10:36 PM
Lots of holding calls on Albert and Waters too. Especially on longer runs.

According to this:

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5349&team=12

Waters had the most holding calls of his career, but it was still only 4, while Albert was only called for 2 holds.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8792&team=12

Mecca
03-20-2010, 10:37 PM
I don't know if I'd go that far but if you are of the belief that Albert is the LT then even considering an OT with the top 5 pick is blatant idiocy.

aturnis
03-20-2010, 11:05 PM
I didn't read it. 1 guards played has declined for a few years now the other supposedly failed a physical, and the center is 37 years old and got thrown around like a rag doll. Forgive me for not being excited about the o-line.

Looks like you've learned quite a bit whilst sucking on the nutsack of Dane.

Yes, it is VERY easy to be pessimistic about everything and to say it will always be as bad as it could be. You think you look like a genius when you HAPPEN to be right through no fault of your own, and you don't have to be disappointed when you're wrong, in fact, the worst you have to due is say you're glad he's doing well, so rough. It's a smart and easy game to play if you want to look like you know what you are talking about as most players never live up to the fans expectations.

Waters isn't really that bad of a player. Playing next to Niswanger would make about anyone look worse than they really are. He's not spectacular, but adequate.

Lilja failing that physical has been pretty well discounted by a few sources and I'm sure you know that. Not only that, but Lilja was a has been rated the top 16, and 14 player at his position out of more than 64 in '07 and '09 with a knee injury in '08.

Lilja's a very good run blocker, the best on the Colts line by a long shot, and we'll see about the pass blocking, was it all Manning? One thing is for sure though, the pass protection should be better at RG than at any point in time last season.

Plenty of people have been round and round with you about Weigmann. He's been a top rated center in this league each and every season since 2001. Two years ago, he was the #2 center behind only Nick Mangold, a 1st round center, and perennial stud. Last year being the only bad year he's had.

You know damned well that Denver abandoned their zone blocking scheme in favor of more power blocking last year. A power blocking scheme isn't going to favor a 285lb. center much, especially not when his team played a lot of 3-4 teams that year with some big ole nose tackles. Giving up 30lbs. on a guy would play a big roll in a bad season.

Fact is that he has been a proven stud when playing in a zone blocking unit. You realistically have no reason to think he'll be anything less than what he was from 2001-08, other than the fact that he is one year older than he was last year.

Get a clue fuck-o.

Chocolate Hog
03-20-2010, 11:10 PM
Blah blah I suck off Dane Blah Blah. Why don't you actually read for once dumbass?

Lilja was such a great run blocker the Colts were horrible running the ball and released him.

You dumbass you argue aginst your own point. You admit Weigmann struggles vs 3-4 teams guess what defense teams in our divison play?

You comparing a 37 year olds play from nearly 10 years ago to current is laughable.

el borracho
03-20-2010, 11:39 PM
Oline analysis: Pioli didn't like what he saw last year and has brought in some temporary fixes to give him time to draft some linemen in the next few years. On paper, at the moment, 2010's line is better than 2009's line; not great, but better.

aturnis
03-20-2010, 11:47 PM
Blah blah I suck off Dane Blah Blah. Why don't you actually read for once dumbass?

Lilja was such a great run blocker the Colts were horrible running the ball and released him.

They weren't a great run blocking team, but I did say he was by far and away the best run blocker on that team.

You dumbass you argue aginst your own point. You admit Weigmann struggles vs 3-4 teams guess what defense teams in our divison play?

Yes, you're right, but then again, we don't run a power blocking scheme now do we? Dumbass.

You comparing a 37 year olds play from nearly 10 years ago to current is laughable.

No, not 10 yrs. ago. 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3, and 2 years ago.

http://www.animationplayhouse.com/donna3.gif
Lapdog.

Douche Baggins
03-20-2010, 11:49 PM
Waters isn't really that bad of a player.

You straight up don't know what you're watching.

Christ, he was the most penalized guard in the entire league last year.

He's done.

aturnis
03-20-2010, 11:50 PM
Good read MM. I think Lilja is done, JMO. Albert hopefully gets better and becomes the player he can be. We need a RT bad. Maybe Big Bad Barry will finally step.
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I think you listen to Dane too much. Lilja will be fine. He started an entire season last year. Superbowl too.

aturnis
03-20-2010, 11:55 PM
Lets stay away from sister fucker and hope that Kyle Calloway is still there in the 4th. Then get a center in the 5th/6th.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 12:03 AM
You straight up don't know what you're watching.

Christ, he was the most penalized guard in the entire league last year.

He's done.

And you have selective reading. I said he wasn't that bad. Playing next to the Rude made him look worse. Not to mention Albert at the beginning of the season.

Waters had 8 penalties in 16 games. 4 were holding, thanks Milkman, and I'm sure the other 4 were probably false starts. Wonder how many of those came in the first half of the season when the team was amongst the worst I've ever seen fielded. Mostly b/c THEY JUST STARTED LEARNING THE NEW BLOCKING SCHEME. Go right to your GIF'd up and look at how CLUELESS this line was those first few weeks. There were sacks given up just b/c guys had NO CLUE who they were even supposed to block.

He's not as good as he once was, but as I said earlier, he's still adequate.

Mecca
03-21-2010, 12:07 AM
Kyle Calloway is not that talented, I think he's one of the more consistently overrated players on this forum.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 12:08 AM
According to this:

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5349&team=12

Waters had the most holding calls of his career, but it was still only 4, while Albert was only called for 2 holds.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8792&team=12

Heh, you're right. I just seem to remember an awful lot of Charles 10+ yd. runs and maybe a TD called back.

Looks like half of Waters penalties were holding.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 12:10 AM
Kyle Calloway is not that talented, I think he's one of the more consistently overrated players on this forum.

nfldraftcountdown has him rated as the #12 OT overall. Right or left side. He's solid all around. Good pass protection and a hell of a run blocker. Sure as hell better than O'Callaghan.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 12:10 AM
lol everyone this asshole disagrees with listens to Dane too much.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 12:14 AM
lol everyone this asshole disagrees with listens to Dane too much.

Why else would he think Lilja is spent? Nobody in the media seems to thinks he's shot. This team doesn't think so. Last years numbers don't say so. No one will really know until he plays behind Cassel, but I really don't think there is any reason to be pessimistic at this point in time.

BIG K
03-21-2010, 12:16 AM
He's not as good as he once was, but as I said earlier, he's still adequate.

I agree with this assesment. I can't help but think the last minute changes in offensive 'coordinators', the constant changes of guys on the line might have skewed his ability this year.

Seems not uncommen for O lineman to play well into their 30's. We should know pretty soon this year if he is done or has a few years left IMHO.

Mecca
03-21-2010, 12:16 AM
I actually think he's basically O'Callaghan by a different name, I think Calloway is a 5th or 6th rounder that probably projects better to guard than he does tackle.

This OT class really isn't that deep there's maybe 10 or 11 guys that can start at OT at the next level.

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2010, 12:26 AM
I think you listen to Dane too much. Lilja will be fine. He started an entire season last year. Superbowl too.

I think you don't understand ANY of the point's that have been made by me regarding Lilja.

1. He played left guard in Indy, not right guard, which he'll be playing in KC.

2. He was paid a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus, yet subsequently cut. Please explain why ANY team would do that outside of injury and health concerns.

3. He signed with one of the worst teams in the league, not one of the best teams in the league. IIRC, he signed for 3 years, $7 million dollars. Let's not pretend he got Steve Hutchinson money.

4. He missed the entire 2008 season due to three different surgeries. Please explain why this is good?

5. Please explain how a poor run blocker (32nd running team in the NFL) is going to adequately play right guard, normally a run blocking, downhill positional player, at 290 pounds.

We'll be awaiting your expert analysis.

BIG K
03-21-2010, 12:43 AM
2. He was paid a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus, yet subsequently cut. Please explain why ANY team would do that outside of injury and health concerns.



I have been wondering about that myself........If their intention was to get 'bigger' on the o-line as many have stated, why waste the money to retain him and then suddenely cut him?

aturnis
03-21-2010, 01:19 AM
I think you don't understand ANY of the point's that have been made by me regarding Lilja.

1. He played left guard in Indy, not right guard, which he'll be playing in KC.

And...? If he can make the change in footwork, which I don't know if he will, but I can only hope, he should be fine. RG is the fourth most demanding spot on the line. So it's kind of a LT to RT type argument. It should be easier to play, so, if the footwork pans out. No problem.

2. He was paid a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus, yet subsequently cut. Please explain why ANY team would do that outside of injury and health concerns.

Apparently the explanation floating around in the Indianapolis media is b/c they want to go to more of a power blocking scheme. Need a bigger body.

3. He signed with one of the worst teams in the league, not one of the best teams in the league. IIRC, he signed for 3 years, $7 million dollars. Let's not pretend he got Steve Hutchinson money.

Paint it however you want. Who cares what he gets paid, really. Does it matter? He grew up here, his family is here. Maybe he really did have a chip on his shoulder before he came to meet with Pioli, but apparently he didn't have that same chip when he left. Did you mention that his mother lives at Lake Quivira, and he is getting married this summer and is building a house, also at Lake Quivira?

4. He missed the entire 2008 season due to three different surgeries. Please explain why this is good?

Never said it was. Must not have been too bad last year though. My post you quoted should explain why.

5. Please explain how a poor run blocker (32nd running team in the NFL) is going to adequately play right guard, normally a run blocking, downhill positional player, at 290 pounds.

So being on a poor running team makes you a poor run blocker? I mean, he was handily the best run blocker on that line, which is obvious if you look at where the RB's had the most production. Also, they didn't run the ball nearly as much as most teams do. They have Manning and a glut of receiving talent.

That doesn't excuse them from sucking as much as they did while running the ball, but then again most running games get stronger as the game goes on, and Addai only carried the ball 14 times a game.

You can't simply look at an o line that has a poor run game, and say that every player sucks at run blocking. That's just arrogant.

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2010, 01:24 AM
And...? If he can make the change in footwork, which I don't know if he will, but I can only hope, he should be fine. RG is the fourth most demanding spot on the line. So it's kind of a LT to RT type argument. It should be easier to play, so, if the footwork pans out. No problem.



Apparently the explanation floating around in the Indianapolis media is b/c they want to go to more of a power blocking scheme. Need a bigger body.



Paint it however you want. Who cares what he gets paid, really. Does it matter? He grew up here, his family is here. Maybe he really did have a chip on his shoulder before he came to meet with Pioli, but apparently he didn't have that same chip when he left. Did you mention that his mother lives at Lake Quivira, and he is getting married this summer and is building a house, also at Lake Quivira?



Never said it was. Must not have been too bad last year though. My post you quoted should explain why.



So being on a poor running team makes you a poor run blocker? I mean, he was handily the best run blocker on that line, which is obvious if you look at where the RB's had the most production. Also, they didn't run the ball nearly as much as most teams do. They have Manning and a glut of receiving talent.

That doesn't excuse them from sucking as much as they did while running the ball, but then again most running games get stronger as the game goes on, and Addai only carried the ball 14 times a game.

You can't simply look at an o line that has a poor run game, and say that every player sucks at run blocking. That's just arrogant.

I'm sorry but you've said absolutely NOTHING.

You're speculating and have provided NO facts.

:shake:

Coming from you, I expected as much.

Do us all a favor and keep your mouth shut unless you actually have some proof of your allegations.

That is, unless you enjoy embarrassing yourself.

orange
03-21-2010, 01:30 AM
Well then, he (Al Groh) was talking out of both sides of his ass, wasn't he.

Actually, YES - but understandably so.

The interview you heard he was probably fluffing Albert before the draft.

The next year he was fluffing Monroe.

But don't kid yourself - they weren't ever going to put the #1 recruit in the country on the bench or out of position (or transferred out) for Branden Albert.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 01:42 AM
I'm sorry but you've said absolutely NOTHING.

You're speculating and have provided NO facts.

:shake:

Coming from you, I expected as much.

Do us all a favor and keep your mouth shut unless you actually have some proof of your allegations.

That is, unless you enjoy embarrassing yourself.

Actually, that's pretty well all fact. I guess it just depends on how you want to read certain information and what you believe. If you have any facts to the contrary of what I have posted, let me know.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 02:25 AM
If he can make the change in footwork, he should be fine. RG is the fourth most demanding spot on the line. So it's kind of a LT to RT type argument. It should be easier to play, so again, if the footwork pans out. No problem.

This is no less factual than you saying b/c he WAS a LG, he can't play RG.

Apparently the explanation floating around in the Indianapolis media is b/c they want to go to more of a power blocking scheme. Need a bigger body.

And your proof that this isn't the case? Adam Caplan is the one who reported he failed the physical, all other reports I've seen have cited Caplan. I believe there are a few articles quoting the need to go bigger. Don't know if they cite the same source. Prove it wrong.

Paint it however you want. Who cares what he gets paid, really. Does it matter? He grew up here, his family is here. Maybe he really did have a chip on his shoulder before he came to meet with Pioli, but apparently he didn't have that same chip when he left. Did you mention that his mother lives at Lake Quivira, and he is getting married this summer and is building a house, also at Lake Quivira?

Which part isn't fact there? Disprove it.

Never said it was. Must not have been too bad last year though. My post you quoted should explain why.

Did he not start 19 games including the superbowl?

So being on a poor running team makes you a poor run blocker? I mean, he was handily the best run blocker on that line, which is obvious if you look at where the RB's had the most production. Also, they didn't run the ball nearly as much as most teams do. They have Manning and a glut of receiving talent.

That doesn't excuse them from sucking as much as they did while running the ball, but then again most running games get stronger as the game goes on, and Addai only carried the ball 14 times a game.

You can't simply look at an o line that has a poor run game, and say that every player sucks at run blocking. That's just arrogant.

Alright, you may have me here. He does come from a poor running team, and I can't disprove that he's not the problem. While he may not be the best run blocker on that line, he's definitely not the worst. Whatever.

You have you're opinion, I have mine. I don't think this fixes everything, but it is DEFINITELY an improvement. Wade Smith could have been just fine at this spot I agree. He did get some jack though. Lilja is an upgrade to what was on the roster once Smith left, and his contract allows him to be replaced. It's a good move.

BossChief
03-21-2010, 03:54 AM
I wonder if they are gonna cut Waters....

Slainte
03-21-2010, 04:01 AM
I wonder if they are gonna cut Waters....

Why would you say that?

spanky 52
03-21-2010, 06:14 AM
I have thought they'd cut Waters also. They paid him a 1.5 million roster bonus that was due by the l5th of March. So I figured they'd keep him. But Indy also paid Lilja a roster bonus before they cut him so maybe that was insurance in case the Chief's didn't sign a replacement for Waters.

If that's the case then we're okay at LT, LG and RT. I know O'Callahan leaves much to be desired but I think he can play another year at RT. I don't know if Weigman can handle another year at C and who's the RG. I have serious doubts about Brown and Ndukwe.

That's what I like about Saffold of UI. He's versatile and could probably start at RG and than move out to RT next year. Only problem is the Chief's would probably have to take him with the 36th pick as he's rising fast on most draft boards.

TheGuardian
03-21-2010, 07:15 AM
Is Mawae still on the market? I don't understand why we haven't signed him or brought him in.

milkman
03-21-2010, 07:52 AM
Is Mawae still on the market? I don't understand why we haven't signed him or brought him in.

If Mawae was ever on the Chiefs radar, I highly doubt he's on there any longer with the addition of Weigman.

chiefzilla1501
03-21-2010, 08:28 AM
Is Mawae still on the market? I don't understand why we haven't signed him or brought him in.

He wouldn't do anything different than Wiegmann.

Wiegmann is only there to buy us a year or two until we find someone younger who can be a solid long-term option.

I don't see any reason why we'd bring in Mawae. Wiegmann probably wins the job this season and the #2 Center is hopefully a bright young prospect.

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2010, 02:21 PM
And...? If he can make the change in footwork, which I don't know if he will, but I can only hope, he should be fine. RG is the fourth most demanding spot on the line. So it's kind of a LT to RT type argument. It should be easier to play, so, if the footwork pans out. No problem.



Apparently the explanation floating around in the Indianapolis media is b/c they want to go to more of a power blocking scheme. Need a bigger body.



Paint it however you want. Who cares what he gets paid, really. Does it matter? He grew up here, his family is here. Maybe he really did have a chip on his shoulder before he came to meet with Pioli, but apparently he didn't have that same chip when he left. Did you mention that his mother lives at Lake Quivira, and he is getting married this summer and is building a house, also at Lake Quivira?



Never said it was. Must not have been too bad last year though. My post you quoted should explain why.



So being on a poor running team makes you a poor run blocker? I mean, he was handily the best run blocker on that line, which is obvious if you look at where the RB's had the most production. Also, they didn't run the ball nearly as much as most teams do. They have Manning and a glut of receiving talent.

That doesn't excuse them from sucking as much as they did while running the ball, but then again most running games get stronger as the game goes on, and Addai only carried the ball 14 times a game.

You can't simply look at an o line that has a poor run game, and say that every player sucks at run blocking. That's just arrogant.

And you're just plain dense.

Lilja failed a physical.

Aturnis: I HOPE he's fine.

Lilja's been a left guard his entire career.

Aturnis: I HOPE he can play right guard.

The only team that wanted to sign Lilja was 4-12 last season.

Aturnis: THIS team believes in him.

Lilja was released AFTER given a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus.

Aturnis: They wanted to go bigger.

----------------------------

Your entire stance is based off of HOPE, not fact. You couldn't dispute even ONE point that laid out for you.

But please, continue to embarrass yourself.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 03:05 PM
Lets stay away from sister ****er and hope that Kyle Calloway is still there in the 4th. Then get a center in the 5th/6th.

Yea lets draft the guy who sucks more.

BossChief
03-21-2010, 03:15 PM
Why would you say that?

I don't think they signed Lilja to play right guard, to me that doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see them trade Waters for a 6th or 7th rounder during the draft and start Lilja at LG.

I can say this, if we do play him at RG, we are asking for it to backfire on us in multiple ways.

1) I dont think Lilja benefits our young emerging superstar in Jamaal Charles in the running game.

2) I dont think he can just be inserted into a new position that has totally different responsibilities and excel or even hold par. I think he would get blown up at RG.

3) I think that even though WE dont like Rudy, that doesn't mean the staff/team isnt in love with him, he was voted the ol mvp http://www.kcchiefsblog.com/brandon-flowers/first-annual-kcchiefs-com-awards . I think they have in mind what some of us do and that is moving him to the right side where he was very effective a couple years ago in limited action. but what do I know, I thought Herb Taylor would stick too...

This scenario doesn't really have a home for Waters unless he comes in next year rejuvenated.

I dont buy the argument that Waters is done either. I think that having us roll out without a true center and right guard (till Wade solidified right guard) made the left side suffer because of having to "protect the gut"....that left the edges as an area the line got beat in by speed rushers early in the year, consistently. The line has to be one whole cohesive unit and if it has two major weaknesses to account for, it wont work no matter how good the other three are. This is exactly why the line started coming together once Wade Smith entered the starting lineup late in the year.

If we signed Lilja to play a position Wade Smith played quite well at, that is a big mistake.

I just think they signed Lilja to play left guard for us.

BossChief
03-21-2010, 03:22 PM
Yea lets draft the guy who sucks more.

Kyle Calloway doesn't suck.

OnTheWarpath58
03-21-2010, 03:28 PM
Kyle Calloway doesn't suck.

He's not really an answer, either.

If we used a 5th on him I'd be OK with it. Nothing higher though.

BossChief
03-21-2010, 03:35 PM
Ive watched a lot of Bulaga and Calloway and think both will be solid starters that help their teams.

I just dont like Bulaga as high as they are talking about him. I see him as a good value somewhere between 10-15 and I would take Calloway anywhere after the third round.

If we didnt already have an excellent young left tackle, I would probably be backing the trade down and take BB in the first bandwagon and if we came out of the draft with both, I wouldn't be crying in my beer.

I think both get a bad wrap on here

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 04:18 PM
Kyle Calloway doesn't suck.

He won't be half the player Tony Washington will be.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 05:45 PM
Yea lets draft the guy who sucks more.

rated higher than sister fucker on nfldraftcountdown.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 05:45 PM
He won't be half the player Tony Washington will be.

So you like workout warriors. Good to know.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 05:48 PM
He's not really an answer, either.

If we used a 5th on him I'd be OK with it. Nothing higher though.

You wouldn't use a 4th rounder to finish 2010's o-line? A good pass blocker and a road grader. Yet EVERYONE here wanted a piece of ole Barry Richardson in the 3rd.

milkman
03-21-2010, 05:51 PM
Kyle Calloway doesn't suck.

I agree with mecca, who said in another thread, that Calloway is just another O'Callaghan.

I wouldn't spend a pick as high as the fifth round on Ryan Calloway.

And yes, I said "Ryan" on purpose.

milkman
03-21-2010, 05:53 PM
You wouldn't use a 4th rounder to finish 2010's o-line? A good pass blocker and a road grader. Yet EVERYONE here wanted a piece of ole Barry Richardson in the 3rd.

Barry Richardson has the talent and athletic ability to be a damn good RT.

He just seems to lack the motivation and desire to achieve his potential.

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2010, 05:55 PM
Barry Richardson has the talent and athletic ability to be a damn good RT.

He just seems to lack the motivation and desire to achieve his potential.

We chatted about this before but I still feel his best position is left tackle, after having started 40 games for Clemson and filling in this past year.

For the Chiefs, I think it's a bit of the square peg/round hole syndrome.

JASONSAUTO
03-21-2010, 05:58 PM
We chatted about this before but I still feel his best position is left tackle, after having started 40 games for Clemson and filling in this past year.

For the Chiefs, I think it's a bit of the square peg/round hole syndrome.

i think he s an option at either spot. let him and albert fight it out best lt win
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milkman
03-21-2010, 06:07 PM
We chatted about this before but I still feel his best position is left tackle, after having started 40 games for Clemson and filling in this past year.

For the Chiefs, I think it's a bit of the square peg/round hole syndrome.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what we think.

First, I think that Albert has far more potential than Richardson at LT, but I think Richardson has some real talent to work with.

I also think that Richardson has more upside as a RT than Albert.
He isn't as long and lean as Albert, and has the frame to add 15 lbs or so without affecting the athletic ability he possesses, which could serve him well as both a run blocker as well as in pass protect.

I also watched Richardson closely at RT last year in the preseason and he played better than any of teh guys we trotted out there all season, including O'Callagahn.

But we saw that this staff does have some sacred cows in Niswanger and Goff.
And as soon as O'Callaghan became familiar with the system, he was trotted out there as the starter, and he proved to be the exact kind of player I said he was when I melted down after the final preseason roster cuts and waiver pickups.

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2010, 06:22 PM
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what we think.

First, I think that Albert has far more potential than Richardson at LT, but I think Richardson has some real talent to work with.

I also think that Richardson has more upside as a RT than Albert.
He isn't as long and lean as Albert, and has the frame to add 15 lbs or so without affecting the athletic ability he possesses, which could serve him well as both a run blocker as well as in pass protect.

I also watched Richardson closely at RT last year in the preseason and he played better than any of teh guys we trotted out there all season, including O'Callagahn.

But we saw that this staff does have some sacred cows in Niswanger and Goff.
And as soon as O'Callaghan became familiar with the system, he was trotted out there as the starter, and he proved to be the exact kind of player I said he was when I melted down after the final preseason roster cuts and waiver pickups.

I agree with everything you've stated, as I have in the past.

From my POV, Richardson has looked "smoother" at left tackle than right. If he can translate that to the right side, he'll be a 10 year starter.

If not, he may end up catching on elsewhere as a left tackle. But there's no doubt he's an NFL caliber lineman.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 06:31 PM
So you like workout warriors. Good to know.

This is a dumbass statement. Was he a workout warrior when LSU offered him a scholarship?

JASONSAUTO
03-21-2010, 06:35 PM
This is a dumbass statement. Was he a workout warrior when LSU offered him a scholarship?

what does that have to do with anything, did gholston have a scholorship?
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Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 06:36 PM
what does that have to do with anything, did gholston have a scholorship?
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Certainly you know the difference between a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick. Oh no you don't you're a fucking idiot.

JASONSAUTO
03-21-2010, 06:41 PM
Certainly you know the difference between a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick. Oh no you don't you're a fucking idiot.

wow ok, says a lot about you that you are continually pimping a guy who fucked his sister, and iirc got her pregnant. par for the course with you billy
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Deberg_1990
03-21-2010, 06:42 PM
But we saw that this staff does have some sacred cows in Niswanger and Goff.


heh..yea, im still baffled at the love they felt for these two last year? Any insight into that??

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 06:43 PM
wow ok, says a lot about you that you are continually pimping a guy who ****ed his sister, and iirc got her pregnant. par for the course with you billy
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Whats that have to do with his ability to play tackle in the NFL?

JASONSAUTO
03-21-2010, 06:47 PM
Whats that have to do with his ability to play tackle in the NFL?

well bill what do you actually know about his ability to play tackle in the nfl? his name wasnt brought up much before the sister fucking revelation? which, oddly enough, started you on this obsession with him. coincidence???
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Bill Lundberg
03-21-2010, 06:49 PM
For what it is worth Wade Smith was interviewed on Sirius today. Balzer asked him to comment on the state of the KC Chiefs. He said we are definitely headed in the right direction and it was tough for him to chose Texans over the Chiefs (they did try to keep him).

They followed it up with asking if he thought we would take a LT at #5 and move Albert to RT. He answered with conviction and without hesitation that Branden Albert will be the LT of the franchise for the next 8-10 years. Said his talent and his work ethic will make him "the man" for the O-line. He said there were some things that happened last season that were out of Branden's control....

Just paraphrasing, but I thought it was a very encouraging interview.

Mecca
03-21-2010, 06:49 PM
No one brings up hardly anyone around here unless you're in draft planet because frankly most people don't even know who half the players on LSU are let alone Abilene Christian.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 06:49 PM
well bill what do you actually know about his ability to play tackle in the nfl? his name wasnt brought up much before the sister ****ing revelation? which, oddly enough, started you on this obsession with him. coincidence???
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How stupid are you?

JASONSAUTO
03-21-2010, 06:52 PM
How stupid are you?

ok were you pimping him before the article? not nearly as much as now if at all,



and mecca i read draft planet some too
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Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 06:54 PM
ok were you pimping him before the article? not nearly as much as now if at all,



and mecca i read draft planet some too
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What the fuck does it matter if I were pimping him before or after the article? I was reluctant to draft him after reading the story then I watched some tape. The guy is a beast.

milkman
03-21-2010, 06:54 PM
For what it is worth Wade Smith was interviewed on Sirius today. Balzer asked him to comment on the state of the KC Chiefs. He said we are definitely headed in the right direction and it was tough for him to chose Texans over the Chiefs (they did try to keep him).

They followed it up with asking if he thought we would take a LT at #5 and move Albert to RT. He answered with conviction and without hesitation that Branden Albert will be the LT of the franchise for the next 8-10 years. Said his talent and his work ethic will make him "the man" for the O-line. He said there were some things that happened last season that were out of Branden's control....

Just paraphrasing, but I thought it was a very encouraging interview.

Just another thing that will be dismissed by the true fan we must draft LT crowd.

JASONSAUTO
03-21-2010, 06:55 PM
What the fuck does it matter if I were pimping him before or after the article? I was reluctant to draft him after reading the story then I watched some tape. The guy is a beast.

lol ok man.
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Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 06:56 PM
lol ok man. rausch called you on point
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What?

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 06:57 PM
Sauto you are such a dumbass you cheered for LJ you must like beating up women. Your argument makes no sense because you don't know what the fuck you are talking about you have to grasp for straws trying to say I like incest.

JASONSAUTO
03-21-2010, 06:57 PM
What?

ok man...
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Marcellus
03-21-2010, 07:04 PM
Just another thing that will be dismissed by the true fan we must draft LT crowd.

I find it more likely to be dimissed by the Pioli/ Haley hate club. Too much optimism as well as the fact KC tried to keep him which has never been mentioned. He got overpaid by the Texans IMO.

milkman
03-21-2010, 07:07 PM
I find it more likely to be dimissed by the Pioli/ Haley hate club. Too much optimism as well as the fact KC tried to keep him which has never been mentioned. He got overpaid by the Texans IMO.

I'm on the Pioli/Haley hate club.

I'm not dismissing any of it.

It's good to know those useless bastards did actually try to keep him.

But I guarentee you the true fan that thinks we need to move Albert and draft a LT will dismiss Smith's comments on Albert summarily.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 07:36 PM
And you're just plain dense.


Lilja failed a physical.

Says who? Adam Caplan? Who told the Indianapolis press it was a out of need for size to bolster their run game?

Lilja's been a left guard his entire career.

Who says he can't play right? YOU? I didn't say he could, but if he is going to be expected to, yes, I would hope he could ****tard.

It's also funny how me saying I hope he could make the switch is HOPE as a bad thing, yet when you say it about the worst lineman on the team...

From my POV, Richardson has looked "smoother" at left tackle than right. If he can translate that to the right side, he'll be a 10 year starter.

It's legit.

The only team that wanted to sign Lilja was 4-12 last season.

He had other visits set up, you know this dumbass.

Lilja was released AFTER given a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus

Who knows why really, you don't.

----------------------------

Your entire stance is based off of HOPE, not fact. You couldn't dispute even ONE point that laid out for you.

But please, continue to embarrass yourself.

Your entire stance is based off of negative dumbassery. The Chiefs must have hurt you bad man, so so bad. You couldn't dispute one point laid out for you. You have no facts, neither do any of the other people outside of the NFL. Yippee dumbass.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 07:37 PM
Barry Richardson has the talent and athletic ability to be a damn good RT.

He just seems to lack the motivation and desire to achieve his potential.

That and he's slow.

Mecca
03-21-2010, 07:40 PM
If he's slow O'Callaghan must have had his legs amputated.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 07:42 PM
Certainly you know the difference between a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick. Oh no you don't you're a ****ing idiot.

Before the combines and other workouts your boy WAS considered a 4th round pick jackhole.

Mecca
03-21-2010, 07:44 PM
Which is still higher than Kyle Calloway....Washington is at least pretty athletic, Calloway is not, I will never understand the endless love that guy gets other than he plays for Iowa and we have posters from there.

milkman
03-21-2010, 07:51 PM
That and he's slow.

He's deliberate, but his feet are fairly quick.

milkman
03-21-2010, 07:52 PM
If he's slow O'Callaghan must have had his legs amputated.

O'Callahgan looks like a guy with his feet anchored in mud.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 07:54 PM
If he's slow O'Callaghan must have had his legs amputated.

You guys just can't admit you were wrong can you?

You wanted him drafted in the 3rd, and he fell to the 6th.
"Wow, we got a steal."
Nevermind that 31 other teams passed on him 3 different times before we ended up taking him late. He must be good though, the o-line "gurus" said so.

He sucks it up at training camp and...
"He needs a little time, just wait 'til next year."

He sucks in games and practices under two different coaching systems and GM's and...
"He's a LT, plain and simple, he just can't make that switch to the right side. He'll make it somewhere else on the right side, he's an NFL caliber lineman for sure."

Please, he sucks, I've seen him raped by Minnesota's 3rd and 4th string LE's in training camp. Get it, camp fodder and practice squad guys ABUSED him. Not an embellishment, they literally ran right around him EVERY time.

Mecca
03-21-2010, 07:56 PM
What exactly are you arguing?

O'Callaghan played all year and sucked complete and total dick, what is the point of arguing this?

milkman
03-21-2010, 08:00 PM
You guys just can't admit you were wrong can you?

You wanted him drafted in the 3rd, and he fell to the 6th.
"Wow, we got a steal."
Nevermind that 31 other teams passed on him 3 different times before we ended up taking him late. He must be good though, the o-line "gurus" said so.

He sucks it up at training camp and...
"He needs a little time, just wait 'til next year."

He sucks in games and practices under two different coaching systems and GM's and...
"He's a LT, plain and simple, he just can't make that switch to the right side. He'll make it somewhere else on the right side, he's an NFL caliber lineman for sure."

Please, he sucks, I've seen him raped by Minnesota's 3rd and 4th string LE's in training camp. Get it, camp fodder and practice squad guys ABUSED him. Not an embellishment, they literally ran right around him EVERY time.

The fact that he can't seem to find the motivation, a question going into the draft, to play to his potential doesn't diminish, in any way, the fact that he does have the talent to succeed.

It's becoming more and more apparent that he just doesn't have the desire.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 08:00 PM
What exactly are you arguing?

O'Callaghan played all year and sucked complete and total dick, what is the point of arguing this?


When did I argue that? Please, find it.

I'm saying that Richardson is not a good RT. At least No'Call could occasionally find himself in someones way. Even if it were an accident.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 08:02 PM
The fact that he can't seem to find the motivation, a question going into the draft, to play to his potential doesn't diminish, in any way, the fact that he does have the talent to succeed.

It's becoming more and more apparent that he just doesn't have the desire.

Really? He would rather make almost no money at all than to play in the NFL even as a backup for 10yrs? Sounds like baseless speculation to me. You guys have not facts.

Bullshit. The guy is slow.

milkman
03-21-2010, 08:07 PM
Really? He would rather make almost no money at all than to play in the NFL even as a backup for 10yrs? Sounds like baseless speculation to me. You guys have not facts.

Bullshit. The guy is slow.

Okay.

Just shut the fuck up.

The motivation issue has been a question for Richardson since he was in college.

It was the primary reason his draft stock fell.

That is a fact that has been talked about for years.

Mecca
03-21-2010, 08:09 PM
I'm pretty sure if Richardson started as many games as O'Callaghan did he wouldn't be as completely awful as O'Callaghan was.

But either way the argument is pointless, just like wanting to draft O'Callghans twin from iowa is pointless.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 08:11 PM
Okay.

Just shut the **** up.

The motivation issue has been a question for Richardson since he was in college.

It was the primary reason his draft stock fell.

That is a fact that has been talked about for years.

Sure bet that's fact. Just like the Colts wanted to go bigger right?

I'm pretty sure if Richardson started as many games as O'Callaghan did he wouldn't be as completely awful as O'Callaghan was.

But either way the argument is pointless, just like wanting to draft O'Callghans twin from iowa is pointless.

We'll see about your comparison. I'm pretty sure you only feel that way b/c he is from Iowa though.

milkman
03-21-2010, 08:12 PM
The fact that this guy thinks that drafting Calloway in the fourth round tells me he's as clueless as Clathan in a whorehouse.

milkman
03-21-2010, 08:15 PM
Sure bet that's fact. Just like the Colts wanted to go bigger right?



We'll see about your comparison. I'm pretty sure you only feel that way b/c he is from Iowa though.

I've never argued that point on Lilja, so just shut the hell up.

The motivation issues were always the sticking point on Richardson in every fucking scouting report going into that draft, and Herman fucking Edwards made mention of those reports when the Chiefs selected him, if I recall correctly.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 08:18 PM
The fact that this guy thinks that drafting Calloway in the fourth round tells me he's as clueless as Clathan in a whorehouse.

Really. A right tackle who is physical and as consistent as they come. Solid against the pass and punishing against the run. Not to mention his versatility to play 3 line positions. Fact is, he may be gone before he ever even gets to our 4th rounder. The only hope he falls is that he got himself an O'dub a summer or two ago. Something a large percentage of rural farm kids can say for themselves, so for me, it's a non issue. You are crack smokers. Bet you maybe watch 2 Iowa games as well.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 08:20 PM
I've never argued that point on Lilja, so just shut the hell up.

The motivation issues were always the sticking point on Richardson in every ****ing scouting report going into that draft, and Herman ****ing Edwards made mention of those reports when the Chiefs selected him, if I recall correctly.

Sorry just using you and your comrades dirty tactics against you. Yes, I do recall the desire issue very well. Just not convinced that that's it. How much motivation will it take him to stand up and get in someones way? He doesn't even get vertical by the time he's blow by.

milkman
03-21-2010, 08:27 PM
Really. A right tackle who is physical and as consistent as they come. Solid against the pass and punishing against the run. Not to mention his versatility to play 3 line positions. Fact is, he may be gone before he ever even gets to our 4th rounder. The only hope he falls is that he got himself an O'dub a summer or two ago. Something a large percentage of rural farm kids can say for themselves, so for me, it's a non issue. You are crack smokers. Bet you maybe watch 2 Iowa games as well.

I don't have to watch a lot of games to see that Bulaga has slow feet, though I believe I saw at least parts of five games.

milkman
03-21-2010, 08:38 PM
And ftr, Richardson has appeared in 16 games, at both LT and RT, in two years with the Chiefs and has not given up a sack, which in no way supports your claim that he can't even get out of his stance before he gets blown by.

You, my friend, are full of shit.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 08:49 PM
And ftr, Richardson has appeared in 16 games, at both LT and RT, in two years with the Chiefs and has not given up a sack, which in no way supports your claim that he can't even get out of his stance before he gets blown by.

You, my friend, are full of shit.

I'll give you that. Last year he played 77 passing snaps. Gave up 2 hits, 2 pressures and 1 penalty. No sacks though, you are right. He didn't grade out to well though, maybe better than No'Cal, but that's not the point I'm arguing either.

I hope you are right. I really do, I would really like to see a good offense again. It's just not the way I see it playing out. We can only hope though.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 09:03 PM
I don't have to watch a lot of games to see that Bulaga has slow feet, though I believe I saw at least parts of five games.

Who said anything about Bulaga. I really hope the Chiefs don't draft him. I liked Bulaga's replacement while he was out early the year better anyway. Riley Reiff is a rs fresh who stepped in and owned that LT position while Bulaga was down.

Chiefaholic
03-21-2010, 09:04 PM
I'm all for drafting OL in the draft, just not before the 3rd round. Our first three picks need to address playmakers who have the ability to change the outcome of a game. There'll be plenty of starter qualith C's and G's that will be available in the 3rd to 5th rounds. I'de draft Center at 3 to take Weig's spot in the very near future (possibly midseason). Then look for a guard to replace Waters in the next year or two in the 4th. If Brown lives up to his potential we'll have quality depth at the position unless Lilja doesn't pan out. Then in the 5th surely there'll be a RT on the board (possibly swap out with the guard in the 4th)

milkman
03-21-2010, 09:10 PM
Who said anything about Bulaga. I really hope the Chiefs don't draft him. I liked Bulaga's replacement while he was out early the year better anyway. Riley Reiff is a rs fresh who stepped in and owned that LT position while Bulaga was down.

Mean't Calloway.

Mecca
03-21-2010, 09:11 PM
Kyle Calloway is like a 5th rounder, mid 5th rounder.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 09:12 PM
I'm all for drafting OL in the draft, just not before the 3rd round. Our first three picks need to address playmakers who have the ability to change the outcome of a game. There'll be plenty of starter qualith C's and G's that will be available in the 3rd to 5th rounds. I'de draft Center at 3 to take Weig's spot in the very near future (possibly midseason). Then look for a guard to replace Waters in the next year or two in the 4th. If Brown lives up to his potential we'll have quality depth at the position unless Lilja doesn't pan out. Then in the 5th surely there'll be a RT on the board (possibly swap out with the guard in the 4th)

I think the switch to zone blocking helps Brown quite a bit. There is a reason he wasn't on the previous regimes scouting radar. He played in a spread. I'm sure the new regime knew in which direction they were heading at all times.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 09:13 PM
Kyle Calloway is like a 5th rounder, mid 5th rounder.

Then I'll take him there. The only reason I can see him falling that low is b/c of the OWI and deep defensive draft though.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 09:22 PM
So aturnis you're whole reasoning for Calloway being better than Washington is because you've seen Calloway play?

Fairplay
03-21-2010, 09:33 PM
So this thread has been up all day.

What is the conicencious of what you got out of all the participants of your article suggest?

aturnis
03-21-2010, 10:16 PM
So aturnis you're whole reasoning for Calloway being better than Washington is because you've seen Calloway play?

No my whole reason for other people know not what they are talking about is they haven't seen him play and don't like the idea of an Iowa olineman partly b/c Iowa isn't sexy, and now moreso than ever b/c of the Ferentz/Pioli connection. If he's taken, it'll be a good ole boys connection pick and not a solid one.

Washington was considered a 3rd or 4th round pick just last month, but you climb on that "potential" bandwagon.

Mecca
03-21-2010, 10:41 PM
I'm pretty sure Washington has always been ahead of Calloway in draft rankings.

Chiefshrink
03-21-2010, 10:48 PM
Bottom line: whether you like it or not Pioli is going with a "trench guy" either O-line or D-line with the 1st pick.

BossChief
03-21-2010, 11:11 PM
The fact that he can't seem to find the motivation, a question going into the draft, to play to his potential doesn't diminish, in any way, the fact that he does have the talent to succeed.

It's becoming more and more apparent that he just doesn't have the desire.

Barry Richardson will never be the player that Kyle Calloway will be.

Mark it down buddy.

Barry Richardson got benched for a red shirt freshman his senior year, didnt he?

aturnis
03-21-2010, 11:13 PM
I'm pretty sure Washington has always been ahead of Calloway in draft rankings.

Well yes, he is a left tackle. A left tackle, even one rated lower than a right tackle can expect to be picked higher just for the fact that he was a left tackle. The primo spot on an NFL line, and if he doesn't make it or doesn't stack up to a pro left tackle, you can always attempt to move him to the right side.

Washington didn't get any real talk or high rating until recently when he tested well physically. He is a dummy though. He couldn't go to LSU b/c he wasn't bright enough. So he must be WAY stupid, b/c you know if a team really wants you, they will do everything they can to get you there. Look at Gore.

Washington just recently started climbing draft charts, something a "draft guru" like you already knows.

I assume you also know that in most OT rankings around the net, Calloway is rated usually in the 8-12 range, whereas Washington usually sits 13-19 overall.

A media guys top 100 might have him going higher though, b/c positional value is king. A top 100 players board will also have him higher, b/c they figure in positional value there also. Hoping their big board will be as accurate as possible, with where players will be selected, b/c if it ain't, he ain't got no cred.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 11:14 PM
Barry Richardson will never be the player that Kyle Calloway will be.

Mark it down buddy.

I'll second that.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 11:15 PM
Bottom line: whether you like it or not Pioli is going with a "trench guy" either O-line or D-line with the 1st pick.

I'm not as sure as you are about that. I hope you are wrong though.

Mecca
03-21-2010, 11:22 PM
DeAndre Brown is an absolute stud WR who didn't end up at LSU cause he didn't qualify...that doesn't mean he sucks.

Guys sometimes end up at smaller schools it doesn't change their talent or that Kyle Calloway is essentially Alex Boone by another name.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 11:39 PM
Barry Richardson got benched for a red shirt freshman his senior year, didnt he?

Oh. Well now. They were just trying to get their LTOTF some playing experience for the next season dontcha know.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 11:42 PM
DeAndre Brown is an absolute stud WR who didn't end up at LSU cause he didn't qualify...that doesn't mean he sucks

No, but it might mean that you're stupid. Stupid doesn't do any good in the film room, or in when trying to learn a new system.

Hell, when he knocked up his sister, that should be a red flag as to how stupid it is.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 11:43 PM
No, but it might mean that you're stupid. Stupid doesn't do any good in the film room, or in when trying to learn a new system.

Hell, when he knocked up his sister, that should be a red flag as to how stupid it is.

You're a dumbass do you think players from the U were smart?

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2010, 11:44 PM
JPP only played 1 year at USF I don't see you saying he will suck cuz he's a dumbass.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 11:50 PM
Didn't say that is while they'll suck. Just another red flag. It could make a tough task even harder. Sure he might have all the talent in the world, but if he isn't smart enough to benefit from watching film, and learn a playbook, he might not be as good as he could be. Our new zone blocking scheme might be a task for a dumbass.

aturnis
03-21-2010, 11:51 PM
JPP only played 1 year at USF I don't see you saying he will suck cuz he's a dumbass.

Did he play at a lower level b/c he was a dumbass or b/c he was a late bloomer? B/c Washington didn't go to LSU b/c his grades weren't good enough. Do you think that he found out about LSU's interest after he graduated? Doubtful. So he most likely knew he needed to get his grades up, but either wasn't dedicated enough or was too stupid.

Judging by his having a kid with his sister, I pick the latter, though the former would be just as bad.

Mecca
03-22-2010, 12:04 AM
I'm already tired of reading this oh he had a kid with his sister shit, that story is already played out.

BossChief
03-22-2010, 12:10 AM
Im not gonna say he is gonna be great by any means, but I think he isnt getting enough credit. He should be a solid right tackle for a long time in the league. Here is how he did against Derrick Morgan in the bowl game. Morgan is a top 15 pick kind of guy and an excellent pass rusher.

Keep in mind that this is only after Bulaga stalemated him in the early part of the game and they moved him to try and get some pressure on Stanzi.

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BossChief
03-22-2010, 12:57 AM
To me, the closest comparison to him is Marshall Yanda from Baltimore that went to Iowa as well. I think they are very similar players.

take it for what its worth.

Mecca
03-22-2010, 12:59 AM
And he's playing guard...and not even starting.

BossChief
03-22-2010, 01:18 AM
And he's playing guard...and not even starting.

he started 9 games last year. He was moved to guard because Oher fell to them and they already had Gaither, they wanted him on the field and found a spot for him.

JASONSAUTO
03-22-2010, 07:04 AM
I'm already tired of reading this oh he had a kid with his sister shit, that story is already played out.

HUH? that doesnt scream "red flag" to you?

Chiefnj2
03-22-2010, 07:57 AM
People need to stop taking profootballfocus as some word of gospel. It's a nice site that brings some nice info and discussion points, but it goes to far to say Waters is ranked as the 20th best player at his position. A lot of statistics are subjective - like sacks. Stats Inc., used by the NFL has Albert as giving up 9 sacks, profootballfocus has it as 7.

I know cfbstats.com (college football) has a really odd interpretation of "pressures".

I'd like to see one article from 4-5 years ago on Monroe and Albert in college. I don't believe for one second that Monroe "refused" to play a certain position. That's not how it generally works in college football, especially at a university that churns out OL.

Douche Baggins
03-22-2010, 08:04 AM
People need to stop taking profootballfocus as some word of gospel. It's a nice site that brings some nice info and discussion points, but it goes to far to say Waters is ranked as the 20th best player at his position. A lot of statistics are subjective - like sacks. Stats Inc., used by the NFL has Albert as giving up 9 sacks, profootballfocus has it as 7.


So do you have some evidence that Waters isn't the 20th best player at his position, other than "I want him to be, because I like Brian Waters and I am a Chiefs homer!"

Waters sucked ass last year.

Chiefnj2
03-22-2010, 08:38 AM
So do you have some evidence that Waters isn't the 20th best player at his position, other than "I want him to be, because I like Brian Waters and I am a Chiefs homer!"

Waters sucked ass last year.

I'm saying their grades and analysis are subjective. They can only guess on certain plays as to who screwed up if they don't know the scheme or play design.

Douche Baggins
03-22-2010, 09:15 AM
I'm saying their grades and analysis are subjective. They can only guess on certain plays as to who screwed up if they don't know the scheme or play design.

Law of averages comes into effect over 16 games.

Considering their grades reflect what a great many here saw on the field, they have credibility.

milkman
03-22-2010, 08:06 PM
Barry Richardson will never be the player that Kyle Calloway will be.

Mark it down buddy.

Barry Richardson got benched for a red shirt freshman his senior year, didnt he?

Barry Richardson may never be the player that Kyle Calloway will be, but it won't be due to talent.

Richardson is far more athletic and talented.

The benching goes back to the problem he has always had.

Lack of motivation.

If someone could ever light a fire under his ass, he'd be a stud.

milkman
03-22-2010, 08:08 PM
And for you Iowa homers, I'm sorry that your boy looks like Herman Munster.

seaofred
03-22-2010, 08:16 PM
You shouldn't have to light a fire under an NFL players butt. If you do, I don't think they well ever be worth anything.