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Fritz88
03-21-2010, 03:00 AM
To the KU haters, we will never be able to feel what it’s like to be in your happy shoes now, I don’t think purple vaginas or MUrons will ever go that high to experience a fall like this.

Jason makes some good points here.
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KU’s season goes kaboom (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news;_ylt=AuksYRegrIkDYo3CtDTypUE5nYcB?slug=jn-ku032110&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

OKLAHOMA CITY – Northern Iowa’s 69-67 victory over top-ranked Kansas shocked the college basketball world, ruined millions of NCAA tournament brackets and devastated a group of players who left the court in tears.
But those who follow the Jayhawks closely could see it coming all season.
It’s been clear since early fall that something was missing with Kansas. With five future NBA players and two All-Americans in the starting lineup, the Jayhawks – at least on paper – seemed like a squad built for a national championship.

Still, even as they amassed a 33-2 record, the Jayhawks rarely played like it.
Their talent helped them eke out close wins against mediocre teams and only on a few occasions did Bill Self’s squad exhibit that mean, aggressive style that helped Kansas capture the title two years ago.
Brandon Rush, Mario Chalmers and Darrell Arthur weren’t happy unless they won by 20 points. Those guys threw down tomahawks and laughed in people’s faces and took pride in slaughtering their opponents.
This year the Jayhawks settled for layups and squeaked by Colorado in overtime.
Although it was surprising that it hadn’t happened already, everything caught up with the Jayhawks on Saturday. Kansas fans probably should’ve seen this coming back in September, when the Jayhawks opened their NCAA title quest with a walk.
More specifically, a perp walk.
That’s certainly what it looked like when Sherron Collins, the Morris twins and others were escorted out of an academic building on Kansas’ campus following a brawl with members of the football team. No one was arrested, but as news cameras captured the Jayhawks covering their faces as they climbed into a waiting van, they hardly resembled guys capable of leading a team to college basketball’s promised land.
The clash with the football team muddied the Jayhawks’ image, and Tyshawn Taylor took things a step further when he posted racial slurs on his Facebook page along with cryptic messages about his frustrations over playing time.
Brady Morningstar was suspended for the first semester following his arrest for driving under the influence of alcohol, and the Morris twins – who were among the key players in the aforementioned fights – already had a bad reputation for shooting a pedestrian with pellets from an air rifle the previous year.
Kansas fans will always support their teams but, under their breath, most of them will tell you they didn’t love this group as much as the 2008 squad that won the national title. Frankly, who could blame them?
The one player who garnered undying affection was Collins, the team captain who ended his career as the all-time winningest player in school history. Off the court, Collins made a lot of strides as a person during his four years at Kansas and should be commended for it. But he also had shortcomings as a leader that contributed to the Jayhawks’ failure to attain their goal of a second championship in three years.
Collins gained nearly 30 pounds during the offseason and spent most of the fall trying to lose weight. Instead of helping his teammates steer clear of the fights with the football team, Collins was right in the middle of them.
Collins also had a mildly disappointing season on the court. He shot just 38 percent from the field in Big 12 play, when his weight problem became an issue once again.
Nearly a year after crumbling in the waning minutes of a Sweet 16 loss to Michigan State, Collins turned in another brutal performance in Saturday’s setback against Northern Iowa, missing 11 of his 15 shots – including all six of his 3-point attempts – while committing five turnovers.
“This was it,” Collins said. “I can’t come back next year and get another chance at it. It hurts so bad.”
As much as it stung the Jayhawks, Saturday’s loss was also devastating for Self, whose legacy will certainly be tarnished by the setback. The first-round loss against Bucknell in 2005 was bad and so was the opening-round defeat to Bradley the following year.
But make no mistake: Saturday’s loss was the worst of Self’s career, mainly because this team boasted so much more talent than the 2005 and 2006 squads.
Self has only himself to blame.
He made a questionable decision during the offseason to sign wing Xavier Henry, who made Self look terrible by stringing him along during the recruiting process before finally committing to the Jayhawks late last spring. A few months later Henry threatened to change his decision when he and his father, Carl, became upset because of a less-than-flattering newspaper article on the Henry family.
Self had to fly to Henry’s native Oklahoma and practically beg him to stay. It was a bad look for Self – and it got worse Saturday when Henry missed the front end of a one-and-one during a key moment down the stretch.
Henry will likely enter this summer’s NBA draft, making him the first one-and-done player in school history. His legacy will be remembered as one big headache for Self, who may not be so quick to grovel over the next touted recruit with a stage dad.
Those kinds of players put up nice statistics, win a few games and end up making millions in the pros.
But – unlike Rush, Chalmers, Darnell Jackson and Russell Robinson – they’re not cut out to win national titles. Not unless they have a strong supporting cast of leaders around them, which Henry didn’t.
The bottom line with this Kansas team: The Jayhawks had the talent, but not the intangibles. That was the elephant in the room all season. It’s not anymore.
Self is as good of a coach as there is in America. He built a national champion from scratch two years ago and will likely do it again. Until that time he’ll work to enhance a reputation that was damaged in Saturday’s loss.
The Jayhawks have the deepest team in the country, with 10-12 players who are capable of contributing quality minutes. But throughout the season he refused to employ a full court press.
“Only in an emergency,” Collins said.
One would think that Saturday would’ve been one of those “emergency” situations, with Kansas falling behind by eight at halftime. It trailed by as many as 12 points after intermission.
Still, the Jayhawks didn’t turn on their press until the 12-minute mark of the second half. The switch helped Kansas get back into a game it likely would’ve won had it revved up its defensive intensity earlier.
Instead the Jayhawks faltered Saturday and looked bad doing it. Collins got in an official’s face at halftime and complained until assistant coach Brett Ballard tugged him away. He continued to gripe during a free throw with less than a minute remaining and Kansas still in the game.
In some ways the season was ending just as it had began back in September, during that perp walk, when the flaws that would eventually spell doom for this team were there before our very eyes.
Anyone who didn’t see it then certainly had to recognize it after Saturday’s game, which included a rather telling moment as the final seconds ticked away. With 19 seconds remaining and Kansas trailing 67-62, the Jayhawks ran the exact same play that led to Chalmers’ famous 3-pointer against Memphis in the 2008 national title game.
Taylor dribbled to the wing and then handed off to Collins as he streaked behind him. Just like Chalmers two years earlier, Collins pulled up for a shot that would’ve kept his team in the game.
The difference was that Chalmers’ shot swished through the net. Collins’ – much like Kansas’ 2009-10 season – was just a little bit off.

|Zach|
03-21-2010, 03:02 AM
To the KU haters, we will never be able to feel what it’s like to be in your happy shoes now, I don’t think purple vaginas or MUrons will ever go that high to experience a fall like this.



The second round?

Slainte
03-21-2010, 03:18 AM
Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars...

http://www.hankstuever.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/casey_kasem.JPG

aturnis
03-21-2010, 03:28 AM
I think they lost b/c they weren't good enough to win. Actually, UNI came to play, started out running from the gates. Never trailed and never looked back. Kansas may have underrated UNI or just overrated themselves.

Go UNI!

Fritz88
03-21-2010, 03:47 AM
The second round?

ROFL
It's funny how it applies to your own post. You can't fathom the fact that your team might go as high as a number one over all seed to experience a fall like this.

|Zach|
03-21-2010, 03:48 AM
ROFL
It's funny how it applies to your own post. You can't fathom the fact that your team might go as high as a number one over all seed to experience a fall like this.

They got as high as the second round.

And they fell.

Quite fathomable really.

Slainte
03-21-2010, 04:04 AM
ROFL
It's funny how it applies to your own post. You can't fathom the fact that your team might go as high as a number one over all seed to experience a fall like this.

Your tears of laughter remain delicious.

Second round...

KC_Connection
03-21-2010, 04:21 AM
Read the column...but Jason Whitlock has always been a football guy, he knows nothing about basketball recruiting and coaching strategy.

Without Henry, this team wouldn't have been the #1 overall seed in this tournament. He was worth the trouble whether people want to believe that or not.

And while we can argue that Self should have gone to the press earlier, it just didn't make any sense to do it in the 1st half when KU was already in major foul trouble.

KC_Connection
03-21-2010, 04:22 AM
I prefer this summary from Gregg Doyel: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13090780/its-a-crying-shame-kansas-didnt-want-it-sooner?tag=headlines;other

Pretty much the way it went down.

LaChapelle
03-21-2010, 07:30 AM
You get patted on the back WHILE choking
not after

chiefzilla1501
03-21-2010, 08:09 AM
They lost for several reasons:
-1) Collins is too scary to be your playmaker. He tries too hard at times and frankly, I've never thought he was all that hard to shut down. All NI did was put fast guards on the perimeter and he had nowhere to go. I feel like if you don't have a playmaker, you're doomed in the tourney.
-2) They won a lot of games on depth. They had more energy at the end of the game, and they scored in spurts. Yesterday, they played a team with just as much energy
-3) Northern Iowa was way, way, way too good to be a #9 seed, particularly for a team playing in the #1 seed bracket. Meanwhile, Duke got to play the winner of Louisville/Cal. A #26 seed vs. two unranked teams. Way to be fair on that, NCAA

I thought Kansas was an overachieving team all year long. They weren't electric. Bring in one playmaker or revolve your offense around Henry. That's the way to go.

Al Bundy
03-21-2010, 08:28 AM
I got a sense they thought the game would just come to them. Almost an arrogance and it cost them.

WhitiE
03-21-2010, 08:31 AM
I think they lost b/c they weren't good enough to win. Actually, UNI came to play, started out running from the gates. Never trailed and never looked back. Kansas may have underrated UNI or just overrated themselves.

Go UNI!

wtf are you talking about we led!!!! it was just the first points of the game then we proceeded to shit our pants....

DeezNutz
03-21-2010, 08:38 AM
Read the column...but Jason Whitlock has always been a football guy, he knows nothing about basketball recruiting and coaching strategy.

Without Henry, this team wouldn't have been the #1 overall seed in this tournament. He was worth the trouble whether people want to believe that or not.

And while we can argue that Self should have gone to the press earlier, it just didn't make any sense to do it in the 1st half when KU was already in major foul trouble.

King, not Whitlock.

StcChief
03-21-2010, 08:58 AM
I got a sense they thought the game would just come to them. Almost an arrogance and it cost them.

This sums it up pure Arrogance....


> And you're going to cry after the game, Kansas? Don't bother. Too late. Nobody wants to hear that crap now.

DeezNutz
03-21-2010, 09:01 AM
Replace Collins with John Wall and KU is still dancing.

djrcmay
03-21-2010, 09:03 AM
M.U. Elite eight last year!

Saulbadguy
03-21-2010, 09:03 AM
Replace Collins with John Wall and KU is still dancing.

Hell, replace Collins with Jacob Pullen.

Saulbadguy
03-21-2010, 09:04 AM
ROFL
It's funny how it applies to your own post. You can't fathom the fact that your team might go as high as a number one over all seed to experience a fall like this.

Hahaha. What a bitch.

DeezNutz
03-21-2010, 09:05 AM
Hell, replace Collins with Jacob Pullen.

Ouch.

kstater
03-21-2010, 09:08 AM
Replace Collins with John Wall and KU is still dancing.

Wall comes to KU and he isn't near the player he is at UK.

DeezNutz
03-21-2010, 09:11 AM
Wall comes to KU and he isn't near the player he is at UK.

Don't agree. He's a special talent and KU isn't running some throw-back offense.

Yeah, he'd have to operate within more of a system, but this wouldn't curb his abilities.

KcMizzou
03-21-2010, 09:20 AM
I prefer this summary from Gregg Doyel: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13090780/its-a-crying-shame-kansas-didnt-want-it-sooner?tag=headlines;other

Pretty much the way it went down.Wow. That was harsh.

Saulbadguy
03-21-2010, 09:21 AM
http://images.cbssports.com/u/photos/basketball/college/img13090782.jpg

StcChief
03-21-2010, 09:35 AM
http://images.cbssports.com/u/photos/basketball/college/img13090782.jpgperfect. Rock Choke.:clap:

Goldmember
03-21-2010, 09:43 AM
Wow. That was harsh.

Sometime the truth is harsh. They've played like that most of the year until they realized that "hey, we might lose to this shitty little team". They realized it too late yesterday. They deserved to lose. Kudos to NIU for taking advantage of them.

OnTheWarpath58
03-21-2010, 09:44 AM
Wow. That was harsh.

Also very, very true.

Goldmember
03-21-2010, 09:45 AM
http://images.cbssports.com/u/photos/basketball/college/img13090782.jpg

That crying was a bit much...the other team didn't beat them as much as they beat themselves. They never led the ENTIRE game. Pathetic.

DeezNutz
03-21-2010, 09:47 AM
That crying was a bit much...the other team didn't beat them as much as they beat themselves. They never led the ENTIRE game. Pathetic.

A bit?

It's a fucking joke and, to the level that was displayed, fucking embarrassing.

I give Collins a pass. Everyone else? Please...

luv
03-21-2010, 09:56 AM
That crying was a bit much...the other team didn't beat them as much as they beat themselves. They never led the ENTIRE game. Pathetic.

Actually, didn't they lead for like 47 seconds?

KcMizzou
03-21-2010, 09:57 AM
Actually, didn't they lead for like 47 seconds?At 2-0, but he's basically right.

Reerun_KC
03-21-2010, 10:03 AM
Well it was dissappointing, but the sun still came up the next day...

And thankfully KU basketball will continue on, unlike some programs...

luv
03-21-2010, 10:04 AM
Well it was dissappointing, but the sun still came up the next day...

And thankfully KU basketball will continue on, unlike some programs...

Other programs are going to stop?

Saulbadguy
03-21-2010, 10:06 AM
Other programs are going to stop?

Be careful. He will take away your slingbox access.

HC_Chief
03-21-2010, 10:06 AM
Still, even as they amassed a 33-2 record, the Jayhawks rarely played like it.
Their talent helped them eke out close wins against mediocre teams and only on a few occasions did Bill Self’s squad exhibit that mean, aggressive style that helped Kansas capture the title two years ago.

Sums it up perfectly.

WilliamTheIrish
03-21-2010, 10:07 AM
To the KU haters, we will never be able to feel what it’s like to be in your happy shoes now, I don’t think purple vaginas or MUrons will ever go that high to experience a fall like this.

Coping mechanisms are often a poor replacement for the shit talked during a season, eh Schizo... er Fritz-o?

You've run your trap here all season, much like the rest of the crew and now you want to talk about the "haters". How they will never experience "the fall" and all that ... bullshit.

Unlike the un-indicted co-conspirators who have run from this board because their coin purses have drawn up into their bellies over this loss, I'm glad you're here. And if you can't take the minimal heat in this kitchen, then run along to phognet where big mean nasty fans (that you've talked shit to/on all season) can't get you.

Otherwise stand there, take the shots you deserve, say "thank you" and be on your way.

Reerun_KC
03-21-2010, 10:11 AM
Other programs are going to stop?


Yep they are just going to vanish into thin air....

;)

What I mean is, KU will rebound and continue its tradition of winning... Just like the banners you guys have in the Page of Bradley, Bucknell and now UNI. It wont be the last time KU falls early in a tourney, nor will it be the last time KU wins a NC...

This shit just happens, but the history proves it isnt the end of the world like some are protraying it to be... I havent seen some of these posters all year.. KU loses and they are pouncing... Where were they in 08 or last year?

Goldmember
03-21-2010, 10:11 AM
Actually, didn't they lead for like 47 seconds?

yes....One in every crowd :)

KcMizzou
03-21-2010, 10:11 AM
Be careful. He will take away your slingbox access.LMAO

Reerun_KC
03-21-2010, 10:12 AM
Be careful. He will take away your slingbox access.

Post fail....

Reerun_KC
03-21-2010, 10:13 AM
Sums it up perfectly.

Yep dont disagree.... They didnt have the "it" factor as some call it...

Some of us didnt want to believe it, though...

WilliamTheIrish
03-21-2010, 10:16 AM
Yep they are just going to vanish into thin air....

;)

What I mean is, KU will rebound and continue its tradition of winning... Just like the banners you guys have in the Page of Bradley, Bucknell and now UNI. It wont be the last time KU falls early in a tourney, nor will it be the last time KU wins a NC...

This shit just happens, but the history proves it is the end of the world like some are protraying it to be... I havent seen some of these posters all year.. KU loses and they are pouncing... Where were they in 08 or last year?

Unlike "passive/aggressive I'll-take-my-slingbox-and-go-home ROY_run", "waxing rhapsodic ROY_run" is just hilarious.

"history proves it is the end of the world". LMAO

kstater
03-21-2010, 10:18 AM
Yep they are just going to vanish into thin air....

;)

What I mean is, KU will rebound and continue its tradition of winning... Just like the banners you guys have in the Page of Bradley, Bucknell and now UNI. It wont be the last time KU falls early in a tourney, nor will it be the last time KU wins a NC...

This shit just happens, but the history proves it isnt the end of the world like some are protraying it to be... I havent seen some of these posters all year.. KU loses and they are pouncing... Where were they in 08 or last year?

So, what you're saying, is, History Awaits?

KcMizzou
03-21-2010, 10:19 AM
Post fail....Poster fail.

Al Bundy
03-21-2010, 10:20 AM
Coping mechanisms are often a poor replacement for the shit talked during a season, eh Schizo... er Fritz-o?

You've run your trap here all season, much like the rest of the crew and now you want to talk about the "haters". How they will never experience "the fall" and all that ... bullshit.

Unlike the un-indicted co-conspirators who have run from this board because their coin purses have drawn up into their bellies over this loss, I'm glad you're here. And if you can't take the minimal heat in this kitchen, then run along to phognet where big mean nasty fans (that you've talked shit to/on all season) can't get you.

Otherwise stand there, take the shots you deserve, say "thank you" and be on your way.

I will have to agree about that. I see it from North Carolina fans, Duke fans and Florida Gator fans.

Reerun_KC
03-21-2010, 10:20 AM
So, what you're saying, is, History Awaits?

ROFL

Of course.... So does yours... After 22 years, you Finally made it back to the S16... Your history is repeating itself...

Maybe your starting a new "Decade of Dominance" in basketball?

WilliamTheIrish
03-21-2010, 10:40 AM
So, what you're saying, is, History Awaits?

ROY_run is in full blown damage control mode. Running from thread to thread trying to keep up. It's hilarious.

TrickyNicky
03-21-2010, 10:54 AM
They failed to adapt and didn't hit shots.

Collins has always been the type of player where if the other teams guards hits a big shot, he will try to force it on the next few series. Sometimes to bad results, see the Syracuse game last year vs Johnny Flynn. He was a great sixth man and a very good PG.

HC_Chief
03-21-2010, 11:04 AM
Yep dont disagree.... They didnt have the "it" factor as some call it...

Some of us didnt want to believe it, though...

The "it" factor = killer instinct. Coach Self mentioned it on several ocassions this season: this team did not relish a lop-sided victory like they should. Translation: this team is disinterested in playing "inferior" teams and only turns it on for "equal" teams or rivals.

It bit them in the ass.

ArrowheadHawk
03-21-2010, 11:13 AM
The second round?

Douche bag. This thread is full of them.

Fritz88
03-21-2010, 11:39 AM
Hahaha. What a bitch.

dipshit. KU swept your team in one year more than the times your shitty program made it to the NCAA tourney in one decade..ROFL..

Fritz88
03-21-2010, 11:43 AM
ROFL

Of course.... So does yours... After 22 years, you Finally made it back to the S16... Your history is repeating itself...

Maybe your starting a new "Decade of Dominance" in basketball?

What's their definition of "Dominance"? making it to the NCAA?

LMAO

Pablo
03-21-2010, 12:00 PM
I prefer this summary from Gregg Doyel: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13090780/its-a-crying-shame-kansas-didnt-want-it-sooner?tag=headlines;other

Pretty much the way it went down.This article sums it up perfectly.

My buddy was at work and asked me what happened and I pretty much said "UNI played like they cared, KU didn't".

This loss hurts like hell. I hope the rest of the Big 12 represents though. I still know we're the best conference in college ball.

Ebolapox
03-21-2010, 12:10 PM
Hell, replace Collins with Jacob Pullen.

fuck, replace collins with PAUL wall.

|Zach|
03-21-2010, 01:37 PM
Look, don't be mad because you guys can't fathom any of this.

Saulbadguy
03-21-2010, 02:09 PM
Look, don't be mad because you guys can't fathom any of this.

His first sentence is still very funny. It's like this shit for brains pivot man was born in 2001.

Oxford
03-21-2010, 02:17 PM
-3) Northern Iowa was way, way, way too good to be a #9 seed, particularly for a team playing in the #1 seed bracket. Meanwhile, Duke got to play the winner of Louisville/Cal. A #26 seed vs. two unranked teams. Way to be fair on that, NCAA


Yep just another weak Mid-Major team from a weak 2nd rate conference. The same conference that had a 21RPI team excluded from the tournament a few years back. Maybe there is a reason no one wants to schedule these weak mid major teams from the weak conferences.........

The VALLEY.... be very afraid

morphius
03-21-2010, 02:58 PM
When it was obvious that things were not working well, Self should have went to the full court press much earlier, say to his players that if you are going to come into a game and play lackluster at the start, then I'm going to make you work that much harder to be that way.

Sucks that KU lost, lowers the view of the entire big 12 across the nation, which could easily hurt in next season rankings and the seeds.

Fritz88
03-21-2010, 03:08 PM
His first sentence is still very funny. It's like this shit for brains pivot man was born in 2001.

Doesn't matter. You will never get one of these

http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/kan/graphics/self/champ2008-590.jpg

TrickyNicky
03-21-2010, 03:20 PM
Cal has started playing a lot better from when they came to AFH. I think Duke will be in for a surprise.

Saulbadguy
03-21-2010, 03:35 PM
Doesn't matter. You will never get one of these



I'd say our chances this season are infinitely better than yours.

KC_Connection
03-21-2010, 05:31 PM
Replace Collins with John Wall and KU is still dancing.

As good as John Wall is, he's also a turnover machine. I doubt things would have been any different.

KC_Connection
03-21-2010, 05:37 PM
This article sums it up perfectly.

My buddy was at work and asked me what happened and I pretty much said "UNI played like they cared, KU didn't".

Yep, they came to play, and KU didn't wake up until late in the 2nd half. Almost like they thought the S16 was going to be given to them.



This loss hurts like hell. I hope the rest of the Big 12 represents though. I still know we're the best conference in college ball.
I think KSU, Baylor, and A&M are doing a pretty good job of proving that.

ChiTown
03-21-2010, 05:46 PM
I'd say our chances this season are infinitely better than yours.

Hard to argue that.......:LOL:

DaWolf
03-21-2010, 06:05 PM
Whitlock is right. I expected it to come next week against Michigan State, so my bracket is still intact to an extent, but the loss to UNI didn't really shock me as much as other losses have in the past. This team just didn't have the desire. And it has nothing to do with experience. It's just the makeup of who is out there. When you defer to Sherron and you expect him to bail you out when things go wrong, well, you're asking for a loss with the way he played yesterday. Other guys needed to step up and they didn't. That's what the team had a couple of years ago. If Rush wasn't on, then Arthur or Chalmers or someone would take over. Didn't happen with this team. Good team, but not championship material...

Pitt Gorilla
03-21-2010, 06:21 PM
ROFL
It's funny how it applies to your own post. You can't fathom the fact that your team might go as high as a number one over all seed to experience a fall like this.The seeds mean next to nothing; once the tourney begins, it's win or go home. UNI knew they would win the game. Their seed didn't play into the outcome at all.

ChiTown
03-21-2010, 06:42 PM
Doesn't matter. You will never get one of these

http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/kan/graphics/self/champ2008-590.jpg

Just like you'll never get one of these in football:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/media/multimedia/2008/12/04/media/Ell_Roberson_ksuou02_t_w300_h600.jpg

buddha
03-21-2010, 08:21 PM
KU lost purely because they were arrogant. KU was better than UNI at every position...hell, KU's bench is better than UNI's starters. Self is too stupid to cover the Iranian sharp shooter? Your team deserved to lose. The fact they all layed all over the floor and cried like babies after playing such an uninspired game tells the story. In the end, it's not about how many McD's AA you have on the team...it's about having heart and wanting it badly enough. Had KU really wanted this win, it could have smoked this team by double digits. Doyle got it right. Fritz88...the next time you aren't man enough to just own up to your team's short comings without starting out your post ripping K-State and MU fans, do us all a favor and stay off the computer.

morphius
03-21-2010, 08:28 PM
The seeds mean next to nothing; once the tourney begins, it's win or go home. UNI knew they would win the game. Their seed didn't play into the outcome at all.
They played loose, no pressure on them at all.

Ari Chi3fs
03-21-2010, 08:30 PM
Just like you'll never get one of these in football:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/media/multimedia/2008/12/04/media/Ell_Roberson_ksuou02_t_w300_h600.jpg


touche ROFL

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-21-2010, 08:37 PM
History Awaits!

BWillie
03-21-2010, 08:45 PM
Just like you'll never get one of these in football:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/media/multimedia/2008/12/04/media/Ell_Roberson_ksuou02_t_w300_h600.jpg

You think you'll ever win 52 conference titles in basketball, yet combined w/ all of your major sports added together?

ChiTown
03-21-2010, 08:51 PM
You think you'll ever win 52 conference titles in basketball, yet combined w/ all of your major sports added together?

Not sure.

Do you think you have a chance to win the 2010 NCAA Men's Basketball Championship?

BTW, I haven't been trash talking, just responding. If Fritz wants to throw a temper-tantrum belittling KSU because his school choked, I may choose to respond.

Fritz88
03-21-2010, 09:32 PM
Not sure.

Do you think you have a chance to win the 2010 NCAA Men's Basketball Championship?

BTW, I haven't been trash talking, just responding. If Fritz wants to throw a temper-tantrum belittling KSU because his school choked, I may choose to respond.

I only put that in response to what KSU and MU fans did after we lost. If you expected that it wouldn't provoke anyone then we you were wrong.

I only responded to douchebags, but in reality, it's stupid to argue which program is better when it comes to college basketball. I have also never said that we were good in football.

ChiTown
03-21-2010, 10:07 PM
I only responded to douchebags, but in reality, it's stupid to argue which program is better when it comes to college basketball. I have also never said that we were good in football.

I would NEVER argue who has the better Program/History.

I will argue that we have a legit chance at a MBB National Championship either this year or next.

Tits McGee
03-21-2010, 10:23 PM
ROFL
It's funny how it applies to your own post. You can't fathom the fact that your team might go as high as a number one over all seed to experience a fall like this.

Dumb, read a history book or two.