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Hog Farmer
03-22-2010, 06:24 AM
House Roll Call: Health Care Overhau


219-212 roll call Sunday

A "yes" vote is a vote to pass the bill.

Voting yes were 219 Democrats and 0 Republicans.

Voting no were 34 Democrats and 178 Republicans.

There are 4 vacancies in the 435-member House.

ALABAMA

Democrats -- Bright, N; Davis, N.

Republicans -- Aderholt, N; Bachus, N; Bonner, N; Griffith, N; Rogers, N.

ALASKA

Republicans -- Young, N.

ARIZONA

Democrats -- Giffords, Y; Grijalva, Y; Kirkpatrick, Y; Mitchell, Y; Pastor, Y.

Republicans -- Flake, N; Franks, N; Shadegg, N.

ARKANSAS

Democrats -- Berry, N; Ross, N; Snyder, Y.

Republicans -- Boozman, N.

CALIFORNIA

Democrats -- Baca, Y; Becerra, Y; Berman, Y; Capps, Y; Cardoza, Y; Chu, Y; Costa, Y; Davis, Y; Eshoo, Y; Farr, Y; Filner, Y; Garamendi, Y; Harman, Y; Honda, Y; Lee, Y; Lofgren, Zoe, Y; Matsui, Y; McNerney, Y; Miller, George, Y; Napolitano, Y; Pelosi, Y; Richardson, Y; Roybal-Allard, Y; Sanchez, Linda T., Y; Sanchez, Loretta, Y; Schiff, Y; Sherman, Y; Speier, Y; Stark, Y; Thompson, Y; Waters, Y; Watson, Y; Waxman, Y; Woolsey, Y.

Republicans -- Bilbray, N; Bono Mack, N; Calvert, N; Campbell, N; Dreier, N; Gallegly, N; Herger, N; Hunter, N; Issa, N; Lewis, N; Lungren, Daniel E., N; McCarthy, N; McClintock, N; McKeon, N; Miller, Gary, N; Nunes, N; Radanovich, N; Rohrabacher, N; Royce, N.

COLORADO

Democrats -- DeGette, Y; Markey, Y; Perlmutter, Y; Polis, Y; Salazar, Y.

Republicans -- Coffman, N; Lamborn, N.

CONNECTICUT

Democrats -- Courtney, Y; DeLauro, Y; Himes, Y; Larson, Y; Murphy, Y.

DELAWARE

Republicans -- Castle, N.

FLORIDA

Democrats -- Boyd, Y; Brown, Corrine, Y; Castor, Y; Grayson, Y; Hastings, Y; Klein, Y; Kosmas, Y; Meek, Y; Wasserman Schultz, Y.

Republicans -- Bilirakis, N; Brown-Waite, Ginny, N; Buchanan, N; Crenshaw, N; Diaz-Balart, L., N; Diaz-Balart, M., N; Mack, N; Mica, N; Miller, N; Posey, N; Putnam, N; Rooney, N; Ros-Lehtinen, N; Stearns, N; Young, N.

GEORGIA

Democrats -- Barrow, N; Bishop, Y; Johnson, Y; Lewis, Y; Marshall, N; Scott, Y.

Republicans -- Broun, N; Deal, N; Gingrey, N; Kingston, N; Linder, N; Price, N; Westmoreland, N.

HAWAII

Democrats -- Hirono, Y.

IDAHO

Democrats -- Minnick, N.

Republicans -- Simpson, N.

ILLINOIS

Democrats -- Bean, Y; Costello, Y; Davis, Y; Foster, Y; Gutierrez, Y; Halvorson, Y; Hare, Y; Jackson, Y; Lipinski, N; Quigley, Y; Rush, Y; Schakowsky, Y.

Republicans -- Biggert, N; Johnson, N; Kirk, N; Manzullo, N; Roskam, N; Schock, N; Shimkus, N.

INDIANA

Democrats -- Carson, Y; Donnelly, Y; Ellsworth, Y; Hill, Y; Visclosky, Y.

Republicans -- Burton, N; Buyer, N; Pence, N; Souder, N.

IOWA

Democrats -- Boswell, Y; Braley, Y; Loebsack, Y.

Republicans -- King, N; Latham, N.

KANSAS

Democrats -- Moore, Y.

Republicans -- Jenkins, N; Moran, N; Tiahrt, N.

KENTUCKY

Democrats -- Chandler, N; Yarmuth, Y.

Republicans -- Davis, N; Guthrie, N; Rogers, N; Whitfield, N.

LOUISIANA

Democrats -- Melancon, N.

Republicans -- Alexander, N; Boustany, N; Cao, N; Cassidy, N; Fleming, N; Scalise, N.

MAINE

Democrats -- Michaud, Y; Pingree, Y.

MARYLAND

Democrats -- Cummings, Y; Edwards, Y; Hoyer, Y; Kratovil, N; Ruppersberger, Y; Sarbanes, Y; Van Hollen, Y.

Republicans -- Bartlett, N.

MASSACHUSETTS

Democrats -- Capuano, Y; Delahunt, Y; Frank, Y; Lynch, N; Markey, Y; McGovern, Y; Neal, Y; Olver, Y; Tierney, Y; Tsongas, Y.

MICHIGAN

Democrats -- Conyers, Y; Dingell, Y; Kildee, Y; Kilpatrick, Y; Levin, Y; Peters, Y; Schauer, Y; Stupak, Y.

Republicans -- Camp, N; Ehlers, N; Hoekstra, N; McCotter, N; Miller, N; Rogers, N; Upton, N.

MINNESOTA

Democrats -- Ellison, Y; McCollum, Y; Oberstar, Y; Peterson, N; Walz, Y.

Republicans -- Bachmann, N; Kline, N; Paulsen, N.

MISSISSIPPI

Democrats -- Childers, N; Taylor, N; Thompson, Y.

Republicans -- Harper, N.

MISSOURI

Democrats -- Carnahan, Y; Clay, Y; Cleaver, Y; Skelton, N.

Republicans -- Akin, N; Blunt, N; Emerson, N; Graves, N; Luetkemeyer, N.

MONTANA

Republicans -- Rehberg, N.

NEBRASKA

Republicans -- Fortenberry, N; Smith, N; Terry, N.

NEVADA

Democrats -- Berkley, Y; Titus, Y.

Republicans -- Heller, N.

NEW HAMPSHIRE

Democrats -- Hodes, Y; Shea-Porter, Y.

NEW JERSEY

Democrats -- Adler, N; Andrews, Y; Holt, Y; Pallone, Y; Pascrell, Y; Payne, Y; Rothman, Y; Sires, Y.

Republicans -- Frelinghuysen, N; Garrett, N; Lance, N; LoBiondo, N; Smith, N.

NEW MEXICO

Democrats -- Heinrich, Y; Lujan, Y; Teague, N.

NEW YORK

Democrats -- Ackerman, Y; Arcuri, N; Bishop, Y; Clarke, Y; Crowley, Y; Engel, Y; Hall, Y; Higgins, Y; Hinchey, Y; Israel, Y; Lowey, Y; Maffei, Y; Maloney, Y; McCarthy, Y; McMahon, N; Meeks, Y; Murphy, Y; Nadler, Y; Owens, Y; Rangel, Y; Serrano, Y; Slaughter, Y; Tonko, Y; Towns, Y; Velazquez, Y; Weiner, Y.

Republicans -- King, N; Lee, N.

NORTH CAROLINA

Democrats -- Butterfield, Y; Etheridge, Y; Kissell, N; McIntyre, N; Miller, Y; Price, Y; Shuler, N; Watt, Y.

Republicans -- Coble, N; Foxx, N; Jones, N; McHenry, N; Myrick, N.

NORTH DAKOTA

Democrats -- Pomeroy, Y.

OHIO

Democrats -- Boccieri, Y; Driehaus, Y; Fudge, Y; Kaptur, Y; Kilroy, Y; Kucinich, Y; Ryan, Y; Space, N; Sutton, Y; Wilson, Y.

Republicans -- Austria, N; Boehner, N; Jordan, N; LaTourette, N; Latta, N; Schmidt, N; Tiberi, N; Turner, N.

OKLAHOMA

Democrats -- Boren, N.

Republicans -- Cole, N; Fallin, N; Lucas, N; Sullivan, N.

OREGON

Democrats -- Blumenauer, Y; DeFazio, Y; Schrader, Y; Wu, Y.

Republicans -- Walden, N.

PENNSYLVANIA

Democrats -- Altmire, N; Brady, Y; Carney, Y; Dahlkemper, Y; Doyle, Y; Fattah, Y; Holden, N; Kanjorski, Y; Murphy, Patrick, Y; Schwartz, Y; Sestak, Y.

Republicans -- Dent, N; Gerlach, N; Murphy, Tim, N; Pitts, N; Platts, N; Shuster, N; Thompson, N.

RHODE ISLAND

Democrats -- Kennedy, Y; Langevin, Y.

SOUTH CAROLINA

Democrats -- Clyburn, Y; Spratt, Y.

Republicans -- Barrett, N; Brown, N; Inglis, N; Wilson, N.

SOUTH DAKOTA

Democrats -- Herseth Sandlin, N.

TENNESSEE

Democrats -- Cohen, Y; Cooper, Y; Davis, N; Gordon, Y; Tanner, N.

Republicans -- Blackburn, N; Duncan, N; Roe, N; Wamp, N.

TEXAS

Democrats -- Cuellar, Y; Doggett, Y; Edwards, N; Gonzalez, Y; Green, Al, Y; Green, Gene, Y; Hinojosa, Y; Jackson Lee, Y; Johnson, E. B., Y; Ortiz, Y; Reyes, Y; Rodriguez, Y.

Republicans -- Barton, N; Brady, N; Burgess, N; Carter, N; Conaway, N; Culberson, N; Gohmert, N; Granger, N; Hall, N; Hensarling, N; Johnson, Sam, N; Marchant, N; McCaul, N; Neugebauer, N; Olson, N; Paul, N; Poe, N; Sessions, N; Smith, N; Thornberry, N.

UTAH

Democrats -- Matheson, N.

Republicans -- Bishop, N; Chaffetz, N.

VERMONT

Democrats -- Welch, Y.

VIRGINIA

Democrats -- Boucher, N; Connolly, Y; Moran, Y; Nye, N; Perriello, Y; Scott, Y.

Republicans -- Cantor, N; Forbes, N; Goodlatte, N; Wittman, N; Wolf, N.

WASHINGTON

Democrats -- Baird, Y; Dicks, Y; Inslee, Y; Larsen, Y; McDermott, Y; Smith, Y.

Republicans -- Hastings, N; McMorris Rodgers, N; Reichert, N.

WEST VIRGINIA

Democrats -- Mollohan, Y; Rahall, Y.

Republicans -- Capito, N.

WISCONSIN

Democrats -- Baldwin, Y; Kagen, Y; Kind, Y; Moore, Y; Obey, Y.

Republicans -- Petri, N; Ryan, N; Sensenbrenner, N.

WYOMING

Republicans -- Lummis, N.

Hog Farmer
03-22-2010, 06:25 AM
And I wonder how many have ACTUALLY read the damn thing !

HerculesRockefell
03-22-2010, 06:35 AM
COLORADO

Democrats -- DeGette, Y; Markey, Y; Perlmutter, Y; Polis, Y; Salazar, Y.

Republicans -- Coffman, N; Lamborn, N.


John Salazar and Betsy Markey should never have been elected to Congress. Those two seats are overwhelmingly Republican from their makeup. The leadership in the CO GOP has been completely inept for years and the candidates they're throwing up in elections on every level have just blown.

Guru
03-22-2010, 07:18 AM
Well, the only rep I have any control over voted against it. Lot of good it did me.

Otter
03-22-2010, 07:27 AM
Mark my words; Todd Platts will be taking over Arlen Spectre's seat in November.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 07:28 AM
My rep(Emauanel Cleaver got called a Nig#$r several times on his way in to vote for the bill.

Deberg_1990
03-22-2010, 07:29 AM
My rep(Emauanel Cleaver got called a Nig#$r several times on his way in to vote for the bill.

Link please?

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-22-2010, 07:30 AM
Link please?

Tea party protesters call Georgia's John Lewis '****er'

<cite class="vcard"> By William Douglas, McClatchy Newspapers William Douglas, Mcclatchy Newspapers </cite> <abbr title="2010-03-20T16:21:00-0700" class="timedate">Sat Mar 20, 7:21 pm ET</abbr>
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WASHINGTON Demonstrators outside the U.S. Capitol , angry over the proposed health care bill, shouted "****er" Saturday at U.S. Rep. John Lewis , a Georgia congressman and civil rights icon who was nearly beaten to death during an Alabama march in the 1960s.

The protesters also shouted obscenities at other members of the Congressional Black Caucus , lawmakers said.

"They were shouting, sort of harassing," Lewis said. "But, it's okay, I've faced this before. It reminded me of the 60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean."

Lewis said he was leaving the Cannon office building across from
=the Capitol when protesters shouted "Kill the bill, kill the bill," Lewis said.

"I said 'I'm for the bill, I support the bill, I'm voting for the bill'," Lewis said.

A colleague who was accompanying Lewis said people in the crowd responded by saying "Kill the bill, then the n-word."

"It surprised me that people are so mean and we can't engage in a civil dialogue and debate," Lewis said.

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver , D- Mo. , said he was a few yards behind Lewis and distinctly heard "****er."

"It was a chorus," Cleaver said. "In a way, I feel sorry for those people who are doing this nasty stuff - they're being whipped up. I decided I wouldn't be angry with any of them."

Protestors also used a slur as they confronted Rep. Barney Frank , D- Mass. , an openly gay member of Congress . A writer for Huffington Post said the crowd called Frank a "faggot."

Frank told the Boston Globe that the incident happened as he was walking from the Longworth office building to the Rayburn office building, both a short distance from the Capitol. Frank said the crowd consisted of a couple of hundred of people and that they referred to him as 'homo.'

"I'm disappointed with the unwillingness to be civil," Frank told the Globe. "I was, I guess, surprised by the rancor. What it means is obviously the health care bill is proxy for a lot of other sentiments, some of which are perfectly reasonable, but some of which are not."

"People out there today, on the whole, were really hateful," Frank said. "The leaders of this movement have a responsibility to speak out more."
Thousands of demonstrators gathered outside the Capitol on Saturday as the House Democratic leadership worked to gather enough votes to enact a health care overhaul proposal that has become the centerpiece of President Barack Obama's domestic agenda. Most were affiliated with so-called tea party organizations that originally sprang up during last summer's protests of the health care proposals.

Heated debate has surrounded what role race plays in the motivations of the tea party demonstrators. During protests last summer, demonstrators displayed a poster depicting Obama as an African witch doctor complete with headdress, above the words "OBAMACARE coming to a clinic near you."

Former President Jimmy Carter asserted in September that racism was a major factor behind the hostility that Obama's proposals had faced.
The claim brought angry rebuttals from Republicans.

On Saturday, Frank, however, said he was sorry Republican leaders didn't do more to disown the protesters.

Some Republicans "think they are benefiting from this rancor," he said.
House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D- S.C. , said Saturday's ugliness underscored for him that the health care overhaul isn't the only motivation for many protesters.

"I heard people saying things today I've not heard since March 15th, 1960 , when I was marching to try and get off the back of the bus," Clyburn said. "This is incredible, shocking to me."

He added, "A lot of us have said for a long time that none of this is about healthcare at all. It's about extending a basic fundamental right to people who are less powerful."

( James Rosen contributed to this story.)

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 07:30 AM
Mark my words; Todd Platts will be taking over Arlen Spectre's seat in November.sorry dude but I thought when Bush used reconciliation to give out tax cuts to the wealthy that the American people would revolt at the ballot box. The economy improves their will be no revolt, only the standard mid term loss's of incumbents.

BucEyedPea
03-22-2010, 07:33 AM
sorry dude but I thought when Bush used reconciliation to give out tax cuts to the wealthy that the American people would revolt at the ballot box. The economy improves their will be no revolt, only the standard mid term loss's of incumbents.
Well it's not improving and it won't.

In fact there may be another calamity by 2012.

Socialism has NEVER worked. It only destroys.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 07:34 AM
Link please?Tea Party protesters out in front of the capital, right in front of the media and captured by the media. Racists have a right to their views. They have a right to march and call members of Congress the N-word. But, Republicans trying to use this fringe for their own political benefit will blow up in their face.

Guru
03-22-2010, 07:34 AM
My rep(Emauanel Cleaver got called a Nig#$r several times on his way in to vote for the bill.What does that have to do with the bill passing? It's sad news but it is old news and it also has its own thread.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 07:34 AM
Well it's not improving and it won't.

In fact there may be another calamity by 2012.

Socialism has NEVER worked. It only destroys.wellll this ain't socialism so thats not an issue.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 07:35 AM
What does that have to do with the bill passing? It's sad news but it is old news and it also has its own thread.sorry dude I've been out of town. I don't know whats been discussed ad nausem etc.

Deberg_1990
03-22-2010, 07:36 AM
[B]Tea party protesters call Georgia's John Lewis '****er



Wow, completely uncalled for if true.

Its too bad a few people have to ruin it for the majority. Of course the story implies the entire tea party movement is based on racism. Simply not true.

BucEyedPea
03-22-2010, 07:37 AM
Tea Party protesters out in front of the capital, right in front of the media and captured by the media. Racists have a right to their views. They have a right to march and call members of Congress the N-word. But, Republicans trying to use this fringe for their own political benefit will blow up in their face.

Meanwhile Huffington has a former Stalinist "rabble rouser" who uses commie agit prop to smear and attack one of the most honest men in congress Ron Paul for his stands on state's rights.

I hope this goes the way of Bush's real ID—DOA at the state level. I hope a case is brought on the mandatory purchase of insurance.
And I don't want to hear a left-wing version of "might makes right" by sending troops in when the left agitated against "might makes right" against Bush for Iraq.

Otter
03-22-2010, 07:39 AM
sorry dude but I thought when Bush used reconciliation to give out tax cuts to the wealthy that the American people would revolt at the ballot box. The economy improves their will be no revolt, only the standard mid term loss's of incumbents.

I simply predicted one incumbent who switched parties from R to D is going to be ousted. You're definition of 'revolt' is much less broad than mine.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 07:39 AM
Wow, completely uncalled for if true.It's on tape, in front of the media covering the health care bill. Happened right in front of the capital.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 07:40 AM
I simply predicted one incumbent who switched parties from R to D is going to be ousted. You're definition of 'revolt' is much less broad than mine.thats cool. There will be many seatrs switch. There always is, even in good times.

Otter
03-22-2010, 07:41 AM
It's on tape, in front of the media covering the health care bill. Happened right in front of the capital.

How do they know he was a Tea Bagger and not some random douche bag?

Guru
03-22-2010, 07:45 AM
sorry dude I've been out of town. I don't know whats been discussed ad nausem etc.no biggie. I'm just frustrated over that particular piece of news because it is being driven into the ground.

Unfortunately there are still racists in this country. That is about all that can be said about it. The people associating racism with the tea party movement are driving the issue though. Its unfair to the good and decent people of the movement. The views of a small few should not have anything to do with the the views of the many.

Guru
03-22-2010, 07:46 AM
How do they know he was a Tea Bagger and not some random douche bag?Because it is an easy conclusion to draw.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 07:53 AM
no biggie. I'm just frustrated over that particular piece of news because it is being driven into the ground.

Unfortunately there are still racists in this country. That is about all that can be said about it. The people associating racism with the tea party movement are driving the issue though. Its unfair to the good and decent people of the movement. The views of a small few should not have anything to do with the the views of the many.I agree. All the tea baggers are not racist, nor are the majority. But, any political party that wants to win an election has to muzzule their fringe elements to be successful. It has to be the people in the movement not tolerating the extreme views in public. If they don't get a handle on this soon the "racist" label will stick to them if they are not careful. All too often in politics preception = reality.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-22-2010, 07:55 AM
How do they know he was a Tea Bagger and not some random douche bag?

Plural pronouns, for one.

Guru
03-22-2010, 08:04 AM
I agree. All the tea baggers are not racist, nor are the majority. But, any political party that wants to win an election has to muzzule their fringe elements to be successful. It has to be the people in the movement not tolerating the extreme views in public. If they don't get a handle on this soon the "racist" label will stick to them if they are not careful. All too often in politics preception = reality.Politicians have tried to quell that behavior in the past. It doesn't work. Freedom of speech keeps them from being arrested.

The media needs to see it for what it is. A moron that can't keep his mouth shut. Unfortunately, the media sees it as an opportunity to smear the good people that are there for the right reasons.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 08:08 AM
Politicians have tried to quell that behavior in the past. It doesn't work. Freedom of speech keeps them from being arrested.

The media needs to see it for what it is. A moron that can't keep his mouth shut. Unfortunately, the media sees it as an opportunity to smear the good people that are there for the right reasons.I wouldn't want anyone arrested. Whoever it was has a right to his/her opinion and the right to say it pubilcally.

Anything that happens at a political rally is the responsibility of the organizers. Thats just the way it is. They can try to deflect it as just a nutjob who is not a part of our cause. That may or may not work with the voters that the political party is courting to join them.

Otter
03-22-2010, 08:09 AM
Plural pronouns, for one.

Well, that settles it. Not only was he a Tea Bagger but he represents the entire movement.

For someone who perceives themselves to sit so high and mighty you set very low standards Hammas. You're a fraud.

jjjayb
03-22-2010, 08:50 AM
My rep(Emauanel Cleaver got called a Nig#$r several times on his way in to vote for the bill.

Any proof whatsover this happened? Any proof whatsoever this was a conservative who said it? If I go to a liberal anti-war rally and call Obama a Nig#$r is that representative of the liberal movement?

jjjayb
03-22-2010, 08:52 AM
If they don't get a handle on this soon the "racist" label will stick to them if they are not careful. All too often in politics preception = reality.

What makes you so certain there aren't "racist plants" at these rallies? The left has been trying to minimize the tea partiers by accusing them of being racist since day one. How hard is it to throw in a few plants to further that point?

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 08:56 AM
What makes you so certain there aren't "racist plants" at these rallies? The left has been trying to minimize the tea partiers by accusing them of being racist since day one. How hard is it to throw in a few plants to further that point?you should stick to UFO, Bigfoot and Birther conspiracy theorys.

Iowanian
03-22-2010, 09:28 AM
IOWA

Democrats -- Boswell, Y; Braley, Y; Loebsack, Y


I've called them all, and left a message of my disgust. I hope a lot of others do the same.

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 11:44 AM
wellll this ain't socialism so thats not an issue.

then tell me, what is a hostile takeover of an entire industry by the government, if its not socialism

you should stick to UFO, Bigfoot and Birther conspiracy theorys.

ya, the left putting plants in the tea party rallies is REALLY far fetched....



actually its been happening since the beginning of the movement.

jjjayb
03-22-2010, 12:01 PM
you should stick to UFO, Bigfoot and Birther conspiracy theorys.

Well if, according to you, all it takes is for one racist to make the whole movement racist, wouldn't it be in the liberals best interest to make sure there was a racist at a tea party rally?

Actually, there was at least one racist at the anti-government controlled healthcare rally. Here he is:

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CoMoChief
03-22-2010, 12:09 PM
MISSOURI

Democrats -- Carnahan, Y; Clay, Y; Cleaver, Y;


Their days in Congress are numbered.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 12:10 PM
Well if, according to you, all it takes is for one racist to make the whole movement racist, wouldn't it be in the liberals best interest to make sure there was a racist at a tea party rally?

Actually, there was at least one racist at the anti-government controlled healthcare rally. Here he is:

<EMBED src=http://www.youtube.com/v/4uTz4seeIpM&hl=en_US&fs=1& width=480 height=385 type=application/x-shockwave-flash allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always"></EMBED>You are so FOS. Have you not even read my posts in this thread? If so, please go reread them again and point out where I said the tea baggers were racists? And especially the part where I said one person makes a group racist?

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 12:11 PM
MISSOURI

Democrats -- Carnahan, Y; Clay, Y; Cleaver, Y;


Their days in Congress are numbered.ROFL
Carnahan will be elected Senator to replace Bond.

Cleaver will win re-election by a wide margin.

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 12:31 PM
cleaver has a real competitor in jacob turk.

http://www.turkforcongress.org/

i guess we can thank stl for carnahan.

jjjayb
03-22-2010, 01:11 PM
You are so FOS. Have you not even read my posts in this thread? If so, please go reread them again and point out where I said the tea baggers were racists? And especially the part where I said one person makes a group racist?

I agree. All the tea baggers are not racist, nor are the majority. But, any political party that wants to win an election has to muzzule their fringe elements to be successful. It has to be the people in the movement not tolerating the extreme views in public. If they don't get a handle on this soon the "racist" label will stick to them if they are not careful. All too often in politics preception = reality.

Again, the left has been accusing these protesters of being racist since day one even with nothing to support that accusation. Why? To keep people from wanting to be associated with them for fear of being labeled a racist. Why wouldn't they turn it up a notch and throw in a couple of plants to shout racial slurs to show on the evening news.

I've been and seen the people at these rallys. For the most part they are your average everyday people. Grandma's and grandpa's. Parents with their kids etc.. They certainly aren't portrayed that way. The press usually uses an adjective in naming them. IE, racist teabaggers, extremist tea partiers, etc.

Why? Rules for Radicals rules rule number 12: Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy.

King_Chief_Fan
03-22-2010, 01:13 PM
ROFL
Carnahan will be elected Senator to replace Bond.

Cleaver will win re-election by a wide margin.

ROFL people aren't getting any smarter are they.

King_Chief_Fan
03-22-2010, 01:16 PM
wellll this ain't socialism so thats not an issue.

really? Demanding all to have insurance and those who cannot afford it will have it provided by others who can......sounds like socialism to me.

Iowanian
03-22-2010, 01:17 PM
It's not socialism, it's Obamunism.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 01:19 PM
Again, the left has been accusing these protesters of being racist since day one even with nothing to support that accusation.So, its not been me declaring them racist. All I was saying was the gullible public will start to belive in the precpetion if they are not careful. And thats just political facts.

At the begining it was corporate money that fueled the mechanics of the rallies but it is real people attending. If they allow corporations to sponsor their events, its their decision.

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 01:19 PM
really? Demanding all to have insurance and those who cannot afford it will have it provided by others who can......sounds like socialism to me.

i asked him how it wasn't and he is ignoring me. similar to the way he's ignoring the funding problem of his precious little bill.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 01:21 PM
ROFL people aren't getting any smarter are they.I know nothing about Carnahan but I'm proud that Cleaver represents me in Congress. He's an honorable man.

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 01:22 PM
So, its not been me declaring them racist. At the begining it was corporate money that fueled the mechanics of the rallies but it is real people attending. If they allow corporations to sponsor their events, its their decision.

wrong again. the tea party was started as a grass roots movement similar to ron paul's campaign for liberty. the labeling of the whole movement like its a political party, the influx of media attention, that was all done by fox news pretty much, and was done to open up the possibility of sarah palin to be the face of the "party." ensuring yet another neo con would control this branch of the republican party...

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 01:23 PM
I know nothing about Carnahan but I'm proud that Cleaver represents me in Congress. He's an honorable man.

no not really, he's a piece of shit. he's one of the elitists in washington that is perpetuating the problems...

King_Chief_Fan
03-22-2010, 01:30 PM
I know nothing about Carnahan but I'm proud that Cleaver represents me in Congress. He's an honorable man.

says you which means that's your opinion and doesn't necessarily make it so

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 01:31 PM
no not really, he's a piece of shit. he's one of the elitists in washington that is perpetuating the problems...thats your opinion. He votes the way I want him to vote on bills, he represnts my interests and views very well.

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 01:32 PM
I know nothing

FYP:LOL:

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 01:41 PM
thats your opinion. He votes the way I want him to vote on bills, he represnts my interests and views very well.


so you like big government? you have still failed to answer my question of funding, both near term and the more realistic numbers projected out down the line. do you condone overspending and overstretching your credit on a personal level or do you only have that view on a national, lets fuck everybody type sense?

Reaper16
03-22-2010, 01:42 PM
Cleaver can give a damn good sermon. He came and gave a guest sermon at my church growing up and I still remember passages of it. As a Congressman he votes pretty much how I'd want him to vote. He's cool with me.

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 01:46 PM
voted for this, and cap and trade. he's fired in my book. just out of curiosity, do either of you two live in his district?

Reaper16
03-22-2010, 01:53 PM
voted for this, and cap and trade. he's fired in my book. just out of curiosity, do either of you two live in his district?
I used to split time between the 5th and 6th districts before going to college. Until August I'm living in the 6th (where my representative is *ugh* Sam Graves).

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 01:55 PM
so you like big government? you have still failed to answer my question of funding, both near term and the more realistic numbers projected out down the line. do you condone overspending and overstretching your credit on a personal level or do you only have that view on a national, lets **** everybody type sense?uhh you want to ridcule me and make fun of me then have a real conversation? sorry, life doesn't work that way. Take one path or the other but you can't do both unless your patteau but I think he got an exemption back under Reagan.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 01:56 PM
voted for this, and cap and trade. he's fired in my book. just out of curiosity, do either of you two live in his district?Yes, I have given money to his campaign and will probably help in his campaign this year because he votes for me the way I would vote on almost every bill. wellll as close as I'll ever coem to a real represntive in Washington.

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 02:01 PM
uhh you want to ridcule me and make fun of me then have a real conversation? sorry, life doesn't work that way. Take one path or the other but you can't do both unless your patteau but I think he got an exemption back under Reagan.

uhh, just answer the damned question. who is going to pay for this? if taxes aren't raised, where will the funding be diverted from? if taxes are raised who will bear the cost? i will ridicule your ignorance based on your stance until you prove you have said stance for a reason other than its what dear leader wants...

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 02:03 PM
uhh, just answer the damned question. ..uhhh no :harumph:

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 02:05 PM
uhhh no :harumph:

because your ignorance prevents it.

Hog Farmer
03-22-2010, 02:13 PM
Attorney General Abbott: Texas and Other States Will Challenge Federal Health Care Legislation


Following the passage of the health care legislation, the Texas Attorney General provided the following statement:

"The federal health care legislation passed tonight violates the United States Constitution and unconstitutionally infringes upon Texans' individual liberties. To protect all Texans' constitutional rights, preserve the constitutional framework intended by our nation's founders, and defend our state from further infringement by the federal government, the State of Texas and other states will legally challenge the federal health care legislation."

Greg Abbott
Attorney General of Texas

kcfanXIII
03-22-2010, 02:14 PM
Attorney General Abbott: Texas and Other States Will Challenge Federal Health Care Legislation


Following the passage of the health care legislation, the Texas Attorney General provided the following statement:

"The federal health care legislation passed tonight violates the United States Constitution and unconstitutionally infringes upon Texans' individual liberties. To protect all Texans' constitutional rights, preserve the constitutional framework intended by our nation's founders, and defend our state from further infringement by the federal government, the State of Texas and other states will legally challenge the federal health care legislation."

Greg Abbott
Attorney General of Texas

:clap::clap::clap:

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 02:17 PM
Attorney General Abbott: Texas and Other States Will Challenge Federal Health Care Legislation


Following the passage of the health care legislation, the Texas Attorney General provided the following statement:

"The federal health care legislation passed tonight violates the United States Constitution and unconstitutionally infringes upon Texans' individual liberties. To protect all Texans' constitutional rights, preserve the constitutional framework intended by our nation's founders, and defend our state from further infringement by the federal government, the State of Texas and other states will legally challenge the federal health care legislation."

Greg Abbott
Attorney General of Texassorry, not gonna work. We already had this battle over states rights. The Federal government has a right to dictate whatever it wants to dictate to individuals in states regardless of the laws in the states. Civil War ring a bell....

ClevelandBronco
03-22-2010, 02:42 PM
Its too bad a few people have to ruin it for the majority...

Are you talking about the idiots who shouted racial slurs or the idiots who supported this law?

No matter. You're correct either way.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 05:57 PM
Cleaver can give a damn good sermon. He came and gave a guest sermon at my church growing up and I still remember passages of it. As a Congressman he votes pretty much how I'd want him to vote. He's cool with me.This piss's me off the more I think about it. He is up there in Washington representing me. I think Cleaver is doing a damn good job. He votes more along the lines of my views than any other congressman that I can remember. He is representing my views, standing up for my views and someone spits on him and or calls him a nig#$r? WTF is wrong with some people. :shake:

Garcia Bronco
03-22-2010, 06:10 PM
This piss's me off the more I think about it. He is up there in Washington representing me. I think Cleaver is doing a damn good job. He votes more along the lines of my views than any other congressman that I can remember. He is representing my views, standing up for my views and someone spits on him and or calls him a nig#$r? WTF is wrong with some people. :shake:

Spiting is beyond disrespect. The other is merely a word thatover time will fade away.

Reaper16
03-22-2010, 06:39 PM
Spiting is beyond disrespect. The other is merely a word thatover time will fade away.
Spit fades away too. It will, at the least, evaporate.

Chocolate Hog
03-22-2010, 06:45 PM
Tea Party protesters out in front of the capital, right in front of the media and captured by the media. Racists have a right to their views. They have a right to march and call members of Congress the N-word. But, Republicans trying to use this fringe for their own political benefit will blow up in their face.

Some Chiefs fans are racist. If you're a fan of the Chiefs you support racism.

BigRedChief
03-22-2010, 07:20 PM
Spit fades away too. It will, at the least, evaporate.ROFL