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Mr. Kotter
03-23-2010, 01:51 PM
First, yeah...it's the Declaration--not the Constitution.

However, a whole lot of folks on the left invoke "happiness" when it suits their purposes....to argue for changing laws to decriminalize behavior they consider to be primarily between "constenting adults. Likewise, folks on the right often invoke "liberty" to defend their minimalist approach to government.

Extremists in both camps engage in ridiculous hyperbole to make specious claims to dubious "rights"--such as decriminalization of drugs, prostitution, and even pedophilia; and such as an absolute right to gun ownership, to view pornography, to refuse to pay income taxes, and to refuse to recognize the jurisdiction of courts.

That said...isn't it a much more reasonable position to take that "life" is much more a true "right" than ANY of those things?

And, in today's world, what is life....without access to healthcare. Thus, it seems to me that one can make a much more persuasive case that healthcare is much more legitimately a "right" than any of those other things that real wingtards of either side are constantly jabbering about....

Hell, if weed, prostitution, porn, and guns are "rights".... :hmmm:

dirk digler
03-23-2010, 01:57 PM
You realize some brilliant person will (CH or hcf) post in here "well without food and water there is no life so should the government pay for that as well?".

Mr. Kotter
03-23-2010, 01:58 PM
Crap...I forgot: not many people even remember what the real Declaration and Constitution are!!! Damn, damn, damn. Limbaugh-Hannity-Beck...and the dumbing down of American.

Damn. :cuss:

Mr. Kotter
03-23-2010, 01:59 PM
You realize you will some brilliant person (CH or hcf) post in here well without food and water there is no life so should the government pay for that as well.


Of course. And they do....already. It's called the safety net. Welfare, food stamps, AFDC, WIC, etc.

;)

Taco John
03-23-2010, 02:00 PM
Crap...I forgot: not many people even remember what the real Declaration and Constitution are!!! Damn, damn, damn. Limbaugh-Hannity-Beck...and the dumbing down of American.

Damn. :cuss:

You've got a lot of nerve accusing someone else of dumbing down America when you're holding kids actual educations hostage.

Garcia Bronco
03-23-2010, 02:00 PM
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness are from the Declaration of Independence, which has no real legal standing in our republic today. It's literally a letter telling King George to fuck off and if you want it...come get us.

dirk digler
03-23-2010, 02:02 PM
You've got a lot of nerve accusing someone else of dumbing down America when you believe 9/11 was a conspiracy by the US Government and that Lizard people are running a shadow government

FYP

Taco John
03-23-2010, 02:04 PM
I don't think Kotter believes either of those things.

dirk digler
03-23-2010, 02:10 PM
I don't think Kotter believes either of those things.

I actually met a person the other day that believes Lizard people are in the government. I thought he was joking but apparently alot of people believe it.

Baby Lee
03-23-2010, 02:14 PM
First, yeah...it's the Declaration--not the Constitution.

However, a whole lot of folks on the left invoke "happiness" when it suits their purposes....to argue for changing laws to decriminalize behavior they consider to be primarily between "constenting adults. Likewise, folks on the right often invoke "liberty" to defend their minimalist approach to government.

Extremists in both camps engage in ridiculous hyperbole to make specious claims to dubious "rights"--such as decriminalization of drugs, prostitution, and even pedophilia; and such as an absolute right to gun ownership, to view pornography, to refuse to pay income taxes, and to refuse to recognize the jurisdiction of courts.

That said...isn't it a much more reasonable position to take that "life" is much more a true "right" than ANY of those things?

And, in today's world, what is life....without access to healthcare. Thus, it seems to me that one can make a much more persuasive case that healthcare is much more legitimately a "right" than any of those other things that real wingtards of either side are constantly jabbering about....

[b]Hell, if weed, prostitution, porn, and guns are "rights"[b].... :hmmm:

Difference being, those are things people don't want TAKEN from them, while HC is something we're presently saddled with PROVIDING and EXTENDING FOR.

If you want to compare apples to apples, you would need to gauge the forces advocating free prostitution weed and guns for all to the current HC situation, or the forces advocating life not be extinguished against one's will to the current social liberty situation.

Mr. Kotter
03-23-2010, 02:17 PM
Difference being, those are things people don't want TAKEN from them, while HC is something we're presently saddled with PROVIDING and EXTENDING FOR....

If I don't have access to healthcare, am I not being deprived of "life" potentially? :hmmm:

...

If you want to compare apples to apples, you would need to gauge the forces advocating free prostitution weed and guns for all to the current HC situation...

:eek:

Crap! Why didn't I think of that...:hmmm:

RJ
03-23-2010, 02:17 PM
I actually met a person the other day that believes Lizard people are in the government. I thought he was joking but apparently alot of people believe it.

Dang, you're right. I googled it.




Lizard-People Run the World
If a science fiction-based religion isn't exotic enough, followers of onetime BBC reporter David Icke believe that certain powerful people like George W. Bush and the British royals actually belong to an alien race of shape-shifting lizard-people. Icke claims Princess Diana confirmed this to one of her close friends; other lizard theories (there are several) point to reptilian themes in ancient mythology. And let's not forget the '80s TV show

Read More http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/magazine/15-11/st_best#ixzz0j26LspFl

Garcia Bronco
03-23-2010, 02:20 PM
Dang, you're right. I googled it.




Lizard-People Run the World
If a science fiction-based religion isn't exotic enough, followers of onetime BBC reporter David Icke believe that certain powerful people like George W. Bush and the British royals actually belong to an alien race of shape-shifting lizard-people. Icke claims Princess Diana confirmed this to one of her close friends; other lizard theories (there are several) point to reptilian themes in ancient mythology. And let's not forget the '80s TV show

Read More http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/magazine/15-11/st_best#ixzz0j26LspFl

Speaking of which...the V series starts back up tonoght

Baby Lee
03-23-2010, 02:28 PM
If I don't have access to healthcare, am I not being deprived of "life" potentially? :hmmm:
If so, it's not due to the actions of the citizenry, but the ravages of nature.
If an entity [citizen, corporation, govt, etc] endangers your life, [s]he should be responsible for the provision of curative measures.
If infirmity or disease occasions you without human cause, it might be provident for society to provide curative measures, but they're not the cause of your loss of 'life.'

Mr. Kotter
03-23-2010, 02:29 PM
If so, it's not due to the actions of the citizenry, but the ravages of nature.
If an entity [citizen, corporation, govt, etc] endangers your life, [s]he should be responsible for the provision of curative measures.
If infirmity or disease occasions you without human cause, it might be provident for society to provide curative measures, but they're not the cause of your loss of 'life.'

You should be a lawyer!

For the health care industry even; I hear they will have boatloads of government money soon. :thumb:

Taco John
03-23-2010, 02:30 PM
Speaking of which...the V series starts back up tonoght


Sweet. But I think that they're going to neuter the concept that they had going before.