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dirk digler
03-30-2010, 07:29 AM
I saw this on O'Reilly last night and was absolutely shocked that dishonest didn't post this poll yet. Oh wait...

As bad as everybody says the political climate is I do find this interesting.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/clarus-poll-romney-leads-gop-2012-field-gains-against-obama-89082552.html

Obama 45
Romney 41
Undecided 14

Obama 52
Palin 34

Obama 47
Huckabee 39

Obama 48
Gingrich 36

Obama 49
Jeb Bush 37

It looks like Romney has the best chance to win right now from the Republican side.

Another interesting note is that right now 25% of people would vote for a independent candidate

mlyonsd
03-30-2010, 07:31 AM
Obama better watch out for Romney.

BigRedChief
03-30-2010, 07:33 AM
Yeah, people may be ticked off at Obama but that doesn't translate to love for Republicans. They hate them worse.

dirk digler
03-30-2010, 07:36 AM
Obama better watch out for Romney.

Right now he is the only one and this is in a really bad political climate.

BigRedChief
03-30-2010, 07:37 AM
Obama better watch out for Romney.Don't think so. Religion is a major thing in this country. Do you have any idea what Mormons believe? People are going to go....he really believes what? He wants control of our country and he believes this????

God was a man on another planet? Only Mormons can ascend to heaven? There are many Gods?

http://www.carm.org/mormon-beliefs

oldandslow
03-30-2010, 07:42 AM
It is really hard to unseat an incumbent...kinda the devil you know type thing. I would lay odds that Obama will win in 12. The hcr package will help him as people will see it as he got "something" done.

Reaper16
03-30-2010, 07:42 AM
Romney is going to be a tough sell.

Voter: "I don't like Obama. I'm voting for Romney."

Why, voter?

Voter: "Because of Obamacare! Its socialism!

Did you know that Obamacare is essentially the same thing as the health care reform implemented in Massachusetts by then-Governor Romney?

Voter: "Ummm. I'm voting for Palin now."

mlyonsd
03-30-2010, 07:45 AM
Right now he is the only one and this is in a really bad political climate.

As the reality of what kind of debt Obama has really put us into sinks in with the public, someone with a proven record of fiscally governing will have an easier time making their case.

notorious
03-30-2010, 07:45 AM
Voter: "Ummm. I'm voting for Palin now."

Nooooooo!

I might start believing the end of the world BS going around if Palin get elected.......

dirk digler
03-30-2010, 07:47 AM
Romney is going to be a tough sell.

Voter: "I don't like Obama. I'm voting for Romney."

Why, voter?

Voter: "Because of Obamacare! Its socialism!

Did you know that Obamacare is essentially the same thing as the health care reform implemented in Massachusetts by then-Governor Romney?

Voter: "Ummm. I'm voting for Palin now."

Pretty much and that is why I don't even think he will win the nomination. Alot of people are comparing this to HRC voting for the Iraq War and then being against it. Of course that is nothing new for Romney he flip flops on more issues than anybody.

Bill Parcells
03-30-2010, 08:02 AM
Right now he is the only one and this is in a really bad political climate.

Romney isnt campaigning yet...lol..thats pretty awful for some peeps who arent even campaigning..while Obama is on tv 24/7 patting himself on the back.

HonestChieffan
03-30-2010, 08:04 AM
Should declare the race over based on this

dirk digler
03-30-2010, 08:05 AM
Romney isnt campaigning yet...lol..thats pretty awful for some peeps who arent even campaigning..while Obama is on tv 24/7 patting himself on the back.

Probably a good thing for him because when he starts campaigning and opening his mouth his numbers will drop. :)

BigRedChief
03-30-2010, 08:06 AM
Should declare the race over based on thisPalin/Cheney 2012! FTW!

blaise
03-30-2010, 08:21 AM
I think the Republicans just have to hope someone comes to the front the same way Bill Clinton and Obama did. If you had polled people half way through W's second term I doubt Obama would have even registered. I don't know if that person is out there for the Republicans, though. If he or she is they better start making some noise soon.

BigRedChief
03-30-2010, 08:26 AM
I think the Republicans just have to hope someone comes to the front the same way Bill Clinton and Obama did. If you had polled people half way through W's second term I doubt Obama would have even registered. I don't know if that person is out there for the Republicans, though. If he or she is they better start making some noise soon.I agree but both Clinton and Obama had been mentioned as possible presidential canditated in the future, alot. Just not "serious" contenders the year when they actually won the nomination. I don't know of a Republican that fits that catagory right now and even if there was one, how would they survive the right wing idealogy slant to even make it to the general election?

HonestChieffan
03-30-2010, 08:34 AM
Its all going to be about who can lead us out of this mess, actually reduce spending and get control of programs and garbage, and can work with the new congress. The issues will bury Obama. I wouldnt venture a guess at who can communicate the message the best but clearly it will not be a campaign based on charisma.

blaise
03-30-2010, 08:34 AM
I agree but both Clinton and Obama had been mentioned as possible presidential canditated in the future, alot. Just not "serious" contenders the year when they actually won the nomination. I don't know of a Republican that fits that catagory right now and even if there was one, how would they survive the right wing idealogy slant to even make it to the general election?

I don't think any right wing ideology slant is going to prevent people from backing a person they believe can defeat Obama. If it was up to me they'd get someone in there that took away some of the easy criticisms against Republicans. Say you are not opposed to gay marriage, for instance. It's a battle you're going to end up losing someday, so get out in front of it now.
.

notorious
03-30-2010, 08:39 AM
I am not suprised at all.


Pub's screwed themselves. The majority of the US doesn't trust them any more then the Democrats.


Same faces, same problems. They need new blood without the old blood backing them. This is key.

BucEyedPea
03-30-2010, 08:40 AM
That's 'cause there's no difference between Obama and the mainstream R candidates.
Should I post Nixon's socialized healthcare bill? It's hardly different than Obama's.

Both parties are socialists.

Mr. Kotter
03-30-2010, 08:42 AM
"But...but....but....but....how can this be?!"

That's 'cause there's no difference between Obama and the mainstream R candidates.
Should I post Nixon's socialized healthcare bill? It's hardly different than Obama's.

Both parties are socialists.

Too bad Obama and nearly any of the Republican candidates would defeat anyone your lunatic fringe associates would back....Paul, or any other similar whackjob clone then, isn't it???

:hmmm:

BigRedChief
03-30-2010, 08:45 AM
I don't think any right wing ideology slant is going to prevent people from backing a person they believe can defeat Obama. If it was up to me they'd get someone in there that took away some of the easy criticisms against Republicans. Say you are not opposed to gay marriage, for instance. It's a battle you're going to end up losing someday, so get out in front of it now.
.but, its not up to you. You can see the writing on the wall as clearly as I can. Republicans are going to scream for a "pure" conservative candidate. They will get one and then get annihlated by Obama in 2014.

blaise
03-30-2010, 08:56 AM
but, its not up to you. You can see the writing on the wall as clearly as I can. Republicans are going to scream for a "pure" conservative candidate. They will get one and then get annihlated by Obama in 2014.

We'll have to see, and in a way it's partially up to me because I have a vote. There's probably more like me than you think. I don't see the writing on the wall saying people are going to want a "pure conservative". A lot of conservatives that post on message boards and call talk shows might, but there's a large group of people that don't do that.
People want someone they think is competent and can sell his (or her) message.

dirk digler
03-30-2010, 08:58 AM
I don't think any right wing ideology slant is going to prevent people from backing a person they believe can defeat Obama. If it was up to me they'd get someone in there that took away some of the easy criticisms against Republicans. Say you are not opposed to gay marriage, for instance. It's a battle you're going to end up losing someday, so get out in front of it now.
.

I don't know about that blaise. It seems to me the party has moved significantly to the right that any idea of a more liberal Republican isn't going to fly.

In response to your first post you are correct Obama didn't decide to run until after the mid-term in 2006.

BucEyedPea
03-30-2010, 08:59 AM
"But...but....but....but....how can this be?!"



Too bad Obama and nearly any of the Republican candidates would defeat anyone your lunatic fringe associates would back....Paul, or any other similar whackjob clone then, isn't it???

:hmmm:

As Aristotle said... slaves like their chains.

Few notes:
1) We will survive using the black market....the market always has the last say. 'F your politicial gains for the politburo.
2) Then again nothing stays the same forever Kotter there is a lot of anger boiling over right now. Freedom ebbs and flows. That's how history gets made.
3) Repeal will happen via bankruptcy....not via politicians.

dirk digler
03-30-2010, 09:01 AM
Its all going to be about who can lead us out of this mess, actually reduce spending and get control of programs and garbage, and can work with the new congress. The issues will bury Obama. I wouldnt venture a guess at who can communicate the message the best but clearly it will not be a campaign based on charisma.

That means they are going to have to run on cutting Medicare and SS. Good luck with that.

HonestChieffan
03-30-2010, 09:03 AM
They will have to run on cutting everything.

The Rick
03-30-2010, 09:05 AM
I think the Republicans just have to hope someone comes to the front the same way Bill Clinton and Obama did. If you had polled people half way through W's second term I doubt Obama would have even registered. I don't know if that person is out there for the Republicans, though. If he or she is they better start making some noise soon.
I have hopes that Paul Ryan will be the guy...

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/

dirk digler
03-30-2010, 09:07 AM
They will have to run on cutting everything.

Then they will lose big time

fan4ever
03-30-2010, 09:07 AM
The thing about his poll is that the conservatives haven't focused on a single candidate; there are still many in the mix; obviously not so with the liberals.

mlyonsd
03-30-2010, 09:10 AM
The thing about his poll is that the conservatives haven't focused on a single candidate; there are still many in the mix; obviously not so with the liberals.
I think this thread makes the point that some liberals have a hard time seeing past the end of their noses pretty obvious.

Mr. Kotter
03-30-2010, 09:16 AM
As Aristotle said... slaves like their chains.

Few notes:
1) We will survive using the black market....the market always has the last say. 'F your politicial gains for the politburo.
2) Then again nothing stays the same forever Kotter there is a lot of anger boiling over right now. Freedom ebbs and flows. That's how history gets made.
3) Repeal will happen via bankruptcy....not via politicians.

Well, thanks for that Mrs. Sunshine! :thumb:

It must really suck to live the life you have chosen; even if you're comfortable day-to-day, you live in fear of the Apocalypse at any moment!

LMAO

dirk digler
03-30-2010, 09:19 AM
I think this thread makes the point that some liberals have a hard time seeing past the end of their noses pretty obvious.

Well this forum seems to think that Obama is a dead man walking

petegz28
03-30-2010, 09:21 AM
Well this forum seems to think that Obama is a dead man walking

Obama? Maybe not due to the time between now and the next election. The Dems? They are in trouble.

bkkcoh
03-30-2010, 09:26 AM
The thing about his poll is that the conservatives haven't focused on a single candidate; there are still many in the mix; obviously not so with the liberals.

Who would have thought that a republican (yet to really see if he is) would have won Massachusetts senate seat.

There is a lot that can turn around (I don't personally think the economy will though) in the 2 years. If unemployment stays around 10% (19% for the real unemployment), there will be a lot of people that want to throw all of the incumbants out of office, regardless of the party!

Rigodan
03-30-2010, 09:35 AM
Tim Pawlenty FTW

blaise
03-30-2010, 09:42 AM
I hope Obama is reelected. Think of all the People magazine covers and March Madness brackets we'd miss out on. And the party for his reelection? We might even see Justin Bieber there.

HerculesRockefell
03-30-2010, 09:57 AM
Jeb, Gingrich, and even though he ran in '08, Huckabee, don't even cross my mind at this point when I think of 2012 GOP contenders.

I think it'll be either Pawlenty or Daniels.

Useful Idiot
03-30-2010, 02:02 PM
^^ this. I'm quite puzzled that it took 3 pages to address it.

it's nice to see Obama is ahead of a few people he probably won't be running against. What a(nother) pointless poll.

ChiTown
03-30-2010, 02:16 PM
^^ this. I'm quite puzzled that it took 3 pages to address it.

it's nice to see Obama is ahead of a few people he probably won't be running against. What a(nother) pointless poll.

Bingo.

He's also ahead of Joe the Plumber 70 - 30. FTW1111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!

googlegoogle
03-30-2010, 02:25 PM
Romney is fools gold. Not a conservative. Another deal maker.