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Scorp
04-22-2010, 08:39 PM
What if? :D

Braincase
04-22-2010, 08:41 PM
Shoot fire. Mays or Clausen? Ummmmmm......

kysirsoze
04-22-2010, 08:41 PM
We won't take him.

It would be kinda cool if we did, but we really need to address other areas. I'm leaning Golden Tate.

kysirsoze
04-22-2010, 08:42 PM
Shoot fire. Mays or Clausen? Ummmmmm......

FTR I'm assuming Clausen will be gone. I would rather have him. Pioli won't take him, though.

Pitt Gorilla
04-22-2010, 08:46 PM
Mays would be cool.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 08:48 PM
Mays at 2b, but of course that depends if Kindle and/or Hughes is still on the board

wazu
04-22-2010, 08:49 PM
I'd be cool, with Mays, but right now I'm leaning more towards Terrance "Precious" Cody.

Micjones
04-22-2010, 08:49 PM
Mays at 2b, but of course that depends if Kindle and/or Hughes is still on the board

I want Cody with the 2a pick.
Mays is tempting as hell with that 2b pick, but we still need LB help.

Brock
04-22-2010, 08:50 PM
I dunno, some anonymous scout was talking about Cody like he was a big fat joke in the NFL. I guess we'll see soon.

RedThat
04-22-2010, 08:50 PM
I think they should go passrush. Address this area and pass on Mays. It's more of a concern. The Chiefs secondary looks good now, they should go after either Kindle or Hughes imo.

Reerun_KC
04-22-2010, 08:50 PM
I'd be cool, with Mays, but right now I'm leaning more towards Terrance "Precious" Cody.

Cody just reaks of laziness....

Maybe I am wrong, I for some reason I see alot of fail there.... Please tell me I am wrong.

Chiefnj2
04-22-2010, 08:50 PM
Too many other good players are available before someone with questionable instincts.

Micjones
04-22-2010, 08:51 PM
Where's Cam Thomas projected to go?

Reerun_KC
04-22-2010, 08:51 PM
I think they should go passrush. Address this area and pass on Mays. It's more of a concern. The Chiefs secondary looks good now, they should go after either Kindle or Hughes imo.

But adding a SS in Mays would set up KC's secondary with pure nastiness for many years to come...

wazu
04-22-2010, 08:52 PM
Cody just reaks of laziness....

Maybe I am wrong, I for some reason I see alot of fail there.... Please tell me I am wrong.

I think Rolando McClain owes Precious a steak dinner served by hookers.

KCChiefsMan
04-22-2010, 08:56 PM
I'm not very high on Cody. I just have a feeling he's going to get paid and stop caring. I would love Mays with either one of the 2nd's.

I mean, it looks like Clausen is probably going to be available with 2a. Unless another team trades down, he should be. I would be alright with taking him there. Kindle would be great too at 2a. But it's looking like we can get 1st round talent with pick 2a and I love it!

GoHuge
04-22-2010, 09:03 PM
But adding a SS in Mays would set up KC's secondary with pure nastiness for many years to come...Well Reerun they can be as nasty as they want, but if a QB has 5 seconds to find an open guy he will be found. We need linebackers & nose tackle, and I mean real ones, not special teams guys like we had starting this year.

Red Beans
04-22-2010, 09:05 PM
I dunno, some anonymous scout was talking about Cody like he was a big fat joke in the NFL. I guess we'll see soon.

Well, his man boobs are hilarious.

Reerun_KC
04-22-2010, 09:07 PM
Well Reerun they can be as nasty as they want, but if a QB has 5 seconds to find an open guy he will be found. We need linebackers & nose tackle, and I mean real ones, not special teams guys like we had starting this year.

Point taken...

Pitt Gorilla
04-22-2010, 09:07 PM
I'm not very high on Cody. I just have a feeling he's going to get paid and stop caring. I would love Mays with either one of the 2nd's.

I mean, it looks like Clausen is probably going to be available with 2a. Unless another team trades down, he should be. I would be alright with taking him there. Kindle would be great too at 2a. But it's looking like we can get 1st round talent with pick 2a and I love it!Exactly. The amount of talent available in the second round (due to the Donx unbelievable picks) is unreal. The idiots that wanted us to draft Clausen at 5 when he'll be available at the top of the 2nd round fail at life.

Fairplay
04-22-2010, 09:12 PM
My sources say the Chiefs will consider the pick.

FAX
04-22-2010, 09:12 PM
Exactly. The amount of talent available in the second round (due to the Donx unbelievable picks) is unreal. The idiots that wanted us to draft Clausen at 5 when he'll be available at the top of the 2nd round fail at life.

Clausen is one of the interesting stories in this draft. Maybe the most interesting.

Meanwhile, it appears that we're going to have some genuine opportunities to pick up quality in the second round. There may well remain a couple players who would be practically instant upgrades at LB, for example. This could wind up being an excellent draft for us.

I felt sure we were going to trade down. But I couldn't be happier with Berry.

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RedThat
04-22-2010, 09:19 PM
But adding a SS in Mays would set up KC's secondary with pure nastiness for many years to come...

Yeah but our secondary is pretty solid as it is right now. I think if they could get a safety later on in the 3rd or 4th that would be okay. Id rather prefer them to go that route.

We just have other positions right now that are far more important to address..i.e., qb, or passrushing OLB.

I think it should be a toss up between Kindle if he falls, or Jimmy Clausen.

I like the secondary, but I hate the passrush. With Berry the Chiefs got better, but if you can't get to the qb, teams are still gonna find other ways to beat you on Sundays. Cassel is questionable, if he is not the guy, then what? Id like for them to pick Clausen mainly as an insurance policy just in case Cassel doesn't pan out. Most of the board would agree you don't win without a qb, we could use one, or a defense isn't great without a stud passrusher. Two positions right there, right now, that are far more valuable than the SS position. jmo

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 09:29 PM
Yeah but our secondary is pretty solid as it is right now.


I disagree.

The Chiefs will face Schillens, Murphy, Thomas, Royal, Gates, Sproles, Floyd, Jackson, etc. Each of the teams the Chiefs face have at least two very good receivers (if not three) and having a guy like Mays opens all kinds of options for RC.

The could take Mays at 2a and still get a solid ILB at 2b.

Ugly Duck
04-22-2010, 09:30 PM
What if both Taylor Mays and Clausen are still available in the 2nd round?

Fairplay
04-22-2010, 09:30 PM
Yeah but our secondary is pretty solid as it is right now. I think if they could get a safety later on in the 3rd or 4th that would be okay. Id rather prefer them to go that route.

We just have other positions right now that are far more important to address..i.e., qb, or passrushing OLB.

I think it should be a toss up between Kindle if he falls, or Jimmy Clausen.

I like the secondary, but I hate the passrush. With Berry the Chiefs got better, but if you can't get to the qb, teams are still gonna find other ways to beat you on Sundays. Cassel is questionable, if he is not the guy, then what? Id like for them to pick Clausen mainly as an insurance policy just in case Cassel doesn't pan out. Most of the board would agree you don't win without a qb, we could use one, or a defense isn't great without a stud passrusher. Two positions right there, right now, that are far more valuable than the SS position. jmo

My sources say our pass rush is awful.

Mecca
04-22-2010, 09:31 PM
I like Mays as much as anyone, but we can't take another safety that high.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 09:32 PM
I like Mays as much as anyone, but we can't take another safety that high.

Don't you think it depends on who's there?

I think Cody's going to fall, and I don't really like him that much anyway.

wazu
04-22-2010, 09:33 PM
I like Mays as much as anyone, but we can't take another safety that high.

Big statement, but I still think the Chiefs are far enough away from winning it all that they should go for BPA, assuming there is some scenario that involves that player starting this year.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 09:34 PM
Big statement, but I still think the Chiefs are far enough away from winning it all that they should go for BPA, assuming there is some scenario that involves that player starting this year.

Man, could you imagine Mays on a safety blitz?

KC kid
04-22-2010, 09:35 PM
I like Mays as much as anyone, but we can't take another safety that high.

This.

Too many other needs.

NT, pass rusher, or WR

Mecca
04-22-2010, 09:35 PM
There's going to be other guys there is why I said that.

If Mays magically fell to 50, then I'd say ok take another safety.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 09:36 PM
This.

Too many other needs.

NT, pass rusher, or WR

You can get a NT in the third, Tate is a slot guy and Kindle will probably be gone at 36.

You can't fill all of your needs in one round.

Mecca
04-22-2010, 09:37 PM
One of those rushers is going to be there....

But this team has to get some front 7 guys, even if you get 2 safeties and have a badass secondary you'll get run on.

HotRoute
04-22-2010, 09:38 PM
mays and berry sounds good to me

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 09:38 PM
There's going to be other guys there is why I said that.

If Mays magically fell to 50, then I'd say ok take another safety.

Well, I don't think the Chiefs take Griffen. Too much potential, not enough college production. He supposedly "jumped" due to his Combine but I just can't see him as a Pioli pick.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 09:38 PM
One of those rushers is going to be there....

But this team has to get some front 7 guys, even if you get 2 safeties and have a badass secondary you'll get run on.

There's no way the Chiefs can fill all of their holes in one year

Mecca
04-22-2010, 09:40 PM
No but at the same time, I don't really think taking 2 safeties is the recipe for success.

I like Mays as much as anyone but if you badly want another safety, just wait and take Chad Jones.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 09:42 PM
No but at the same time, I don't really think taking 2 safeties is the recipe for success.

I like Mays as much as anyone but if you badly want another safety, just wait and take Chad Jones.

Actually, I do. You'd have two young safeties in Mays and Berry and two very good corners in Carr and Flowers. The secondary would be set for a minimum of 4 more years (free agency).

If they grab a ILB like Washington or Lee at 50 and a NT in the third, this defense has just made a huge jump.

Obviously, they'd still need a rushbacker but they could probably grab Selvie in the fifth.

dallaschiefsfan
04-22-2010, 09:47 PM
Yeah...the more I think of this, the less I think this is a good idea in any way. Technically, we have Jarad Page...and it sounds like Haley wants his safeties to be interchangeable...so maybe Page and Berry are both on the field when the season begins. Page doesn't look so bad when you know he's next to Berry...especially when compared with Brown...McGraw...Morgan...

Mecca
04-22-2010, 09:49 PM
Mays is interchangeable too, the reason people get geeked on Mays is because he is an enforcer the idea of another team being scared to cross the middle is nice.

dallaschiefsfan
04-22-2010, 09:56 PM
Yeah...but I guess I'm just hoping that a healthy Page is a good enough stop-gap that allows us to address other positions that might have higher value and getting a later round safety, since it's deep. At the end of the day, I want BPA from the first round talent still available.

Mecca
04-22-2010, 09:56 PM
I'd be ok with using a 5 on Myron Rolle, having 2 of the smartest guys on the team be the safeties would fix a lot.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 10:08 PM
I'd be ok with using a 5 on Myron Rolle, having 2 of the smartest guys on the team be the safeties would fix a lot.

Myron Rolle in the 5th would be awesome. He's a smart dude and a Pioli type of player.

Coach
04-22-2010, 10:22 PM
Mays is interchangeable too, the reason people get geeked on Mays is because he is an enforcer the idea of another team being scared to cross the middle is nice.

Then perhaps that's what the Chiefs need. They need an enforcer in a bad way. While Mays need some work, you just simply can't discount his speed, and the secondary needs plenty of that, especially if you're facing quality receivers these days.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 10:23 PM
Then perhaps that's what the Chiefs need. They need an enforcer in a bad way. While Mays need some work, you just simply can't discount his speed, and the secondary needs plenty of that, especially if you're facing quality receivers these days.

Yeah, the AFCW has some serious receivers and TE's, so a guy like Mays makes total sense.

KCrockaholic
04-22-2010, 10:25 PM
We are in a great situation where we can't go wrong. Whether we pick Clausen, Kindle, Tate, or Cody we are looking sooo good.

Pitt Gorilla
04-22-2010, 10:26 PM
I'd be ok with using a 5 on Myron Rolle, having 2 of the smartest guys on the team be the safeties would fix a lot.Rolle in the 5th would be brilliant. Kindle with our next pick would be climax.

KCrockaholic
04-22-2010, 10:27 PM
Rolle in the 5th would be brilliant. Kindle with our next pick would be climax.

Oh. My. Yes.

FAX
04-22-2010, 10:29 PM
Mays is interchangeable too, the reason people get geeked on Mays is because he is an enforcer the idea of another team being scared to cross the middle is nice.

That would make a very interesting draft for us. It makes you almost believe that our secondary could be set for many years to come ... and with high value.

It's a very appealing selection when you think about it. One entire positional group taken care of for the long-term.

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Coach
04-22-2010, 10:29 PM
Yeah, the AFCW has some serious receivers and TE's, so a guy like Mays makes total sense.

Absolutely. Even though the 4-12 season somewhat sucked, this is a blessing in disguse. What I mean to say that if you were in a position to suck hard to get a top 5 pick in almost every round, and add that with a very talented draft board, and hit the majority of it, your team can get better in a hell of a hurry.

Hitting at Berry is a hell of a start to do it. If they get Mays, Kindle, Clausen or Tate (depending on the situation), then that'd be fucking amazing.

Smed1065
04-22-2010, 10:31 PM
I want Cody with the 2a pick.
Mays is tempting as hell with that 2b pick, but we still need LB help.

In~

KCrockaholic
04-22-2010, 10:31 PM
Honestly. I think Taylor Mays in Minnesota would be freakin scary as hell.

Micjones
04-22-2010, 10:31 PM
No but at the same time, I don't really think taking 2 safeties is the recipe for success.

I like Mays as much as anyone but if you badly want another safety, just wait and take Chad Jones.

Or you could get a guy like Stuckey sometime after Round Two.
I'm with you. As good as it sounds...I couldn't see myself taking another Safety so high.

Get your NT and some LB help.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2010, 10:40 PM
I'm not a fan of Cody. Conditioning is a factor and Haley needs to focus on coaching, not babysitting.

I'd be happier with Joseph or Trout in the third.

Get an ILB and Kindle (if possible) or Mays in the second.

Either way, we're looking at three impact starters in the first two rounds.

Fuckin' A!

Coach
04-22-2010, 10:43 PM
I'm not a fan of Cody. Conditioning is a factor and Haley needs to focus on coaching, not babysitting.

I'd be happier with Joseph or Trout in the third.

Get an ILB and Kindle (if possible) or Mays in the second.

Either way, we're looking at three impact starters in the first two rounds.

Fuckin' A!

I absolutely agree. Cody is a solid player, but what worries me is that when he gaids PAID, he'll probably lose the motiviation to play, and show up overweight.

He did show up overweight before the combine, correct?

KCrockaholic
04-22-2010, 10:46 PM
Or you could get a guy like Stuckey sometime after Round Two.
I'm with you. As good as it sounds...I couldn't see myself taking another Safety so high.

Get your NT and some LB help.

Not stuckey. If we look at another safety other than Mays, it should either be Myron Rolle or Larry Asante.

KChiefs1
04-22-2010, 10:50 PM
2nd Round: Sergio Kindle & Terrence Cody

Mecca
04-22-2010, 10:54 PM
The Eagles may take Mays anyhow...

FAX
04-22-2010, 10:57 PM
... Either way, we're looking at three impact starters in the first two rounds. ...

That's music to my ears.

FAX

Micjones
04-22-2010, 10:59 PM
I'm not a fan of Cody. Conditioning is a factor and Haley needs to focus on coaching, not babysitting.

I'd be happier with Joseph or Trout in the third.

Get an ILB and Kindle (if possible) or Mays in the second.

Either way, we're looking at three impact starters in the first two rounds.

Fuckin' A!

NT, OLB, ILB...
Couldn't agree more.
The rest of the draft can be offensive.

TopJet2
04-22-2010, 11:03 PM
Although I dont see it happening, the idea of Berry in centerfield and Mays destroying receivers over the middle is truly enticing

Coach
04-22-2010, 11:04 PM
The Eagles may take Mays anyhow...

If they do, then more power to them.

However, talking over to a friend of mine, he mentioned that having Berry and a cover guy in Flowers, this would be a perfect place for Mays to be that type of a enforcer player, as you mentioned.

Mays, while still needs work, no doubt, does has the speed to play, and is a enforcer type of a player that I think KC really needs. It'd be nice to have an enforcer, to give the idea of other teams being scared to cross the middle.

Now, I understand that it would be hard to comprehend having two safeties in the top 2 picks, but there is logic behind it, if people were to think about it for a bit.

FAX
04-22-2010, 11:06 PM
NT, OLB, ILB...
Couldn't agree more.
The rest of the draft can be offensive.

It appears to me (now that the 5 pick is out of the way) we've found ourselves smack dab right in the middle of the BPA zone ... and with little or no downside given our needs all over the place.

FAX

BryanBusby
04-22-2010, 11:07 PM
I'd be ok with using a 5 on Myron Rolle, having 2 of the smartest guys on the team be the safeties would fix a lot.

Not the biggest Rolle fan, but I wouldn't complain at all if the Chiefs took him in Round 5. Solid dude and that would be damn good value.

FAX
04-22-2010, 11:10 PM
If they do, then more power to them.

However, talking over to a friend of mine, he mentioned that having Berry and a cover guy in Flowers, this would be a perfect place for Mays to be that type of a enforcer player, as you mentioned.

Mays, while still needs work, no doubt, does has the speed to play, and is a enforcer type of a player that I think KC really needs. It'd be nice to have an enforcer, to give the idea of other teams being scared to cross the middle.

Now, I understand that it would be hard to comprehend having two safeties in the top 2 picks, but there is logic behind it, if people were to think about it for a bit.

The appeal to me, Mr. Coach, is the notion of having the secondary set long-term with high-quality, solid, young players who get the joke.

It puts you in a comfort zone that's hard to beat ... allowing you to focus on other positional groups. It gives you a clearer focus in future drafts, free agency, trade opportunities, the works, really. I'm warming up to the idea a lot. Toasty-like.

FAX