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petegz28
04-23-2010, 05:52 PM
Just reported on 810

kcpasco
04-23-2010, 05:52 PM
slot guy

HolmeZz
04-23-2010, 05:53 PM
I said this the second they took him. They view him as Percy Harvin, not a running back.

eazyb81
04-23-2010, 05:53 PM
Of course. We didn't just draft a 3rd string RB.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 05:55 PM
Small size, particularly height worries me. He better be open cause he isn't going to catch any of Cassel's rainbow brite, jump balls.

DaWolf
04-23-2010, 05:58 PM
In hindsight, this shouldn't be surprising:

1) Haley expressed the need to become more explosive on offense and in the kick return game

2) They value guys who are versatile and can create matchup issues

3) Appears that they really wanted to get Sproles in the offseason before he got tagged, and they were rumored to be really interested in Cribbs.

This pick only ends up being justified if he can have the same game breaking ability on the field as Charles provides.

Also, this is a copycat league. I think the Chiefs looked at what Reggie Bush provided the Saints offense last year and probably see the same type of deal here in terms of how they want to use him offensively to create mistatches...

HolmeZz
04-23-2010, 05:59 PM
A slot guy makes more sense than a guy on the outside anyway, given what Cassel's woes are. Shorter throws will lead to more completions.

Count Alex's Wins
04-23-2010, 05:59 PM
Cassel got the ball to Welker's 5-8 ass just fine.

tomahawk kid
04-23-2010, 06:00 PM
Can't wait to see the return of the Dante Special Midget dump pass.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-23-2010, 06:02 PM
I like this kid more and more as I'm watching video.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 06:02 PM
Obviuosly they didn't think he would still be around at 50. Probably why it took so long to make the pick. They were probably trying to see if they could trade down and still get him.

BigRedChief
04-23-2010, 06:03 PM
Just reported on 810Told you guys. This is Pioli's Wes walker.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-23-2010, 06:03 PM
Obviuosly they didn't think he would still be around at 50. Probably why it took so long to make the pick. They were probably trying to see if they could trade down and still get him.

Philly was going to take him with the following pick from what I heard.

Bane
04-23-2010, 06:05 PM
How is wes welker doing now days?
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Count Alex's Wins
04-23-2010, 06:08 PM
Our head coach is a former wide receivers coach.

I'm going to trust him on this.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 06:10 PM
How is wes welker doing now days?
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He was a key part of me winning my FFL last year.

KCtotheSB
04-23-2010, 06:10 PM
He's no Dexter McCleon!!

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-23-2010, 06:11 PM
Told you guys. This is Pioli's Wes walker.

How about instead of trying to draft clones, we just take the best players.

TheGuardian
04-23-2010, 06:12 PM
I think they really see this as a guy that is going to be quick out of the slot and return punts and kicks. We were HORRIBLE in that area that year and badly needed to upgrade that position along with WR.

Philly was set to take him if we didn't. They were going to use him a bit like Westbrook was used.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-23-2010, 06:12 PM
Our head coach is a former wide receivers coach.

I'm going to trust him on this.

Lance Long approves this message.

Gonzo
04-23-2010, 06:13 PM
Well, now that I've calmed down and looked him over a little more, I guess he's going to be a Dante Hall clone. Maybe this pick wasn't so bad...
Then again,

Fuck you Pioli. We should have gone Defense with that pick.
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BigRedChief
04-23-2010, 06:14 PM
How about instead of trying to draft clones, we just take the best players.Hey I'm not saying its a good pick, just saying that this has Pioli's signature all over it. What he's thinking with the pick.

kcchiefsus
04-23-2010, 06:14 PM
Our head coach is a former wide receivers coach.

I'm going to trust him on this.

But Haley and Pioli are fucking idiots. We could do better than them. How dare you agree with them.

ChiefButthurt
04-23-2010, 06:14 PM
You guys were just originally pissed that you didn't know anything about him. Pioli probably doesn't know shit about your jobs, but.....

Mr_Tomahawk
04-23-2010, 06:14 PM
Lots of crying girls here...

Chief3188
04-23-2010, 06:17 PM
How about instead of trying to draft clones, we just take the best players.

And how do you know who the best players are there you message board scout?

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-23-2010, 06:17 PM
All of these picks are all Pioli. I mean, it's not like the guy doesn't have a history of completely ignoring his entire scouting department.

KCChiefsFan88
04-23-2010, 06:19 PM
In hindsight, this shouldn't be surprising:

1) Haley expressed the need to become more explosive on offense and in the kick return game


The Chiefs could have accomplished both of those goals by trading for Ted Ginn, Jr.

And it would have only costed them a 5th round pick versus using a high second round pick on what will amount to a third string RB.

Say hello to Derrick Blaylock Part II

LaChapelle
04-23-2010, 06:20 PM
pocket macklin

petegz28
04-23-2010, 06:22 PM
We had to get him there if we wanted him. Case closed.

KCChiefsFan88
04-23-2010, 06:23 PM
I think they really see this as a guy that is going to be quick out of the slot and return punts and kicks. We were HORRIBLE in that area that year and badly needed to upgrade that position along with WR.

Philly was set to take him if we didn't. They were going to use him a bit like Westbrook was used.

Was it worth using a high second round pick on a slot WR, return guy?

The Chiefs could have traded for Ginn... a proven guy in BOTH of those areas for a 5th round pick.

Fat Scott is disgracing himself with this abortion of a draft. First passing on a franchise left tackle for a safety and now using a high second round pick on Derrick Blaylock the Sequel.

It isn't a good sign when you make people yearn for Dictator Carl on draft day.

Chief3188
04-23-2010, 06:25 PM
All of these picks are all Pioli. I mean, it's not like the guy doesn't have a history of completely ignoring his entire scouting department.

You sure seem to know alot of details that only professional scouts or an employee of the Chiefs could know.

Please tell me your secret... My guess it is just arrogance.

BigRedChief
04-23-2010, 06:27 PM
The Chiefs could have traded for Ginn... a proven guy in BOTH of those areas for a 5th round pick.His dropped passes killed too mnay drives. Plues there were locker room issues and coachability.

KCChiefsMan
04-23-2010, 06:30 PM
lol

now I'm just going to get high and laugh at this shit

boogblaster
04-23-2010, 06:42 PM
Hydro/cods needed with wine chasers ....

whoman69
04-23-2010, 06:44 PM
I also have to check the sanity of picking a slot receiver or 3rd down back, whatever you want to call him in the second round when you have so many positions of need.

beer bacon
04-23-2010, 06:58 PM
The Chiefs could have accomplished both of those goals by trading for Ted Ginn, Jr.

And it would have only costed them a 5th round pick versus using a high second round pick on what will amount to a third string RB.

Say hello to Derrick Blaylock Part II

Why don't you let the player establish himself rather than comparing him to a bunch of assholes?

okcchief
04-23-2010, 07:27 PM
I'm ok with this pick even though I wouldn't have made it. This guy made all kinds of plays in the SEC. With all the screens we like to run we need someone like this. I think we probably could have got him later though.

I have no defense for the Arenas pick. That was fucking retarded.

BigMeatballDave
04-23-2010, 07:30 PM
Duh

BigChiefFan
04-23-2010, 07:30 PM
Glad our defense is set and we can use picks on 3rd on the depth chart WRs. Whew, for a minute, I thought we'd waste a pick on a NT.

mcaj22
04-23-2010, 07:31 PM
the second that Arenas guy steps on the field as part of the defense to cover a WR is the second we watch the career day defense back in full force.

kcpasco
04-23-2010, 07:32 PM
Glad our defense is set and we can use picks on 3rd on the depth chart WRs. Whew, for a minute, I thought we'd waste a pick on a NT.

I'm thinking they are gonna try Dorsey at NT

petegz28
04-23-2010, 07:34 PM
I'm thinking they are gonna try Dorsey at NT

This is the big mystery. We need a DT badly and we went with 2 small guys. Baffling to say the least.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 07:34 PM
Although, with all the needs for the team it seems they are spreading the pics out evenly...

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LaChapelle
04-23-2010, 07:37 PM
Buy Jackie Bates#
just costs 5 cases of muscle milk

morphius
04-23-2010, 07:39 PM
His dropped passes killed too mnay drives. Plues there were locker room issues and coachability.
Yup, I didn't want to trade anything for that failure.

BigChiefFan
04-23-2010, 07:40 PM
I'm thinking they are gonna try Dorsey at NT Then we'll still need another DE. We still NEED an OLBer. Value was there and we chose a 3rd on the depth chart WR. No regard for value. NONE.

King_Chief_Fan
04-23-2010, 08:48 PM
Chiefs version of sproles I think

Sanka
04-23-2010, 08:50 PM
Funny, Im listing him as yet another WASTED SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICK.

Brock
04-23-2010, 08:52 PM
The guy fits this team's needs in a lot of ways. I don't get the hate at all.

OleMissCub
04-23-2010, 08:53 PM
Funny, Im listing him as yet another WASTED SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICK.

Might not be the guy you wanted, but a guy that does this isn't a "wasted" pick, I don't care who you are.

against SEC teams this year

Arkansas - 260 YDS
Auburn - 203 YDS
Tennessee - 342 YDS
LSU - 164 YDS
Miss St - 145 YDS
Vandy - 176 YDS

and against Big XII teams

Texas Tech - 180 YDS
OK State - 229 YDS

Also the only SEC player in History with 1,000+ yards rushing and 500+ yards receiving in a single season.

Chiefs got a huge offensive weapon.

notorious
04-23-2010, 08:54 PM
The guy fits this team's needs in a lot of ways. I don't get the hate at all.

This.


He was the pick that upset the Clausen fans.

notorious
04-23-2010, 08:54 PM
Might not be the guy you wanted, but a guy that does this isn't a "wasted" pick, I don't care who you are.

against SEC teams this year

Arkansas - 260 YDS
Auburn - 203 YDS
Tennessee - 342 YDS
LSU - 164 YDS
Miss St - 145 YDS
Vandy - 176 YDS

and against Big XII teams

Texas Tech - 180 YDS
OK State - 229 YDS

Also the only SEC player in History with 1,000+ yards rushing and 500+ yards receiving in a single season.

Chiefs got a huge offensive weapon.



Thanks again. Hopefully you are getting across to people.

Brock
04-23-2010, 08:55 PM
This.


He was the pick that upset the Clausen fans.

Well, there weren't many people who were more vocal about wanting Clausen than I was. Thing is, this team needed PLAYMAKERS everywhere. That's what this guy is.

el borracho
04-23-2010, 09:15 PM
Two concerns:
1. not sure how his size will translate to the NFL.
2. not sure how often he will see the field. 2nd round is a premium price to pay if the guy is going to be on the bench most of the afternoon.

chubychecker
04-23-2010, 09:49 PM
Might not be the guy you wanted, but a guy that does this isn't a "wasted" pick, I don't care who you are.

against SEC teams this year

Arkansas - 260 YDS
Auburn - 203 YDS
Tennessee - 342 YDS
LSU - 164 YDS
Miss St - 145 YDS
Vandy - 176 YDS

and against Big XII teams

Texas Tech - 180 YDS
OK State - 229 YDS

Also the only SEC player in History with 1,000+ yards rushing and 500+ yards receiving in a single season.

Chiefs got a huge offensive weapon.

wow!!!

smoothkg
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
Listed at 165 lbs on the Chiefs website.

:eek::eek::eek:

milkman
04-23-2010, 09:58 PM
Was it worth using a high second round pick on a slot WR, return guy?

The Chiefs could have traded for Ginn... a proven guy in BOTH of those areas for a 5th round pick.

Fat Scott is disgracing himself with this abortion of a draft. First passing on a franchise left tackle for a safety and now using a high second round pick on Derrick Blaylock the Sequel.

It isn't a good sign when you make people yearn for Dictator Carl on draft day.

Ted Ginn Jr. hasn't proven dick.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 10:02 PM
Two concerns:
1. not sure how his size will translate to the NFL.
2. not sure how often he will see the field. 2nd round is a premium price to pay if the guy is going to be on the bench most of the afternoon.

I think we will see a lot of 3-wide sets this year.

MoreLemonPledge
04-23-2010, 10:07 PM
I think we will see a lot of 3-wide sets this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was our base set.

Count Alex's Wins
04-23-2010, 10:09 PM
When was the last time a 165-pound weakling made it in the NFL?

MoreLemonPledge
04-23-2010, 10:10 PM
When was the last time a 165-pound weakling made it in the NFL?

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/desean-jackson.jpg

There's one example.

Tuckdaddy
04-23-2010, 10:11 PM
I like this kid more and more as I'm watching video.

He's a bad ass that line up all over. Fast with good cut ability. He destroyed my beloved Razorbacks damn near by himself. This kid can flat make things happen.

Brock
04-23-2010, 10:12 PM
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/desean-jackson.jpg

There's one example.

Whoops!

Short Leash Hootie
04-23-2010, 11:04 PM
that's what I tried to tell the morons in the draft thread but like they'd listen

petegz28
04-23-2010, 11:08 PM
The only worry about size is durability. Dante took some hard hits and got right back up. Once you get the ball in the hands of some of these smaller guys they can be extremely good and illusive to the bigger guys. Darren Sproles is listed at 5-6 185. So I'd say he is closer to 170-175. And the little fucker is damn good.

58kcfan89
04-23-2010, 11:09 PM
I'm a huge fan of McCluster. I'm not a big fan of the Arenas pick (or that Iowa TE), but think McCluster (along with Charles and a hopefully improved Bowe) helps our offense quite a bit. If Cassel fails with the guys we've picked up today along with the FAs, then he's a lost cause.

OnTheWarpath58
04-23-2010, 11:09 PM
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/desean-jackson.jpg

There's one example.

You're really going to compare a guy that ran a 4.31 to a guy that ran a 4.58?

Mecca
04-23-2010, 11:11 PM
He is not DeSean Jackson, I'll eat my shoe if he's that.

the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:13 PM
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/desean-jackson.jpg

There's one example.

cool

is there 2?

petegz28
04-23-2010, 11:14 PM
You're really going to compare a guy that ran a 4.31 to a guy that ran a 4.58?

I get so sick of this shit. There is the 40 speed then there is what you do on the ****ing field. 2 1/10's of a second is not something I am going to bank an argument on.

Priest31kc
04-23-2010, 11:14 PM
You're really going to compare a guy that ran a 4.31 to a guy that ran a 4.58?

can we stop with the 4.58 40 time BS?? He's clearly faster than that, and ran 4.4's at his pro day. The Indy track is now SLOWER than the old one. Noticed EVERYONE's 40 times at their pro days were faster than the combine? And if you cant see he's faster than 4.58, than your fucking blind.

the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:15 PM
how many 165 lbs guys haven't made it in the nfl?


all but 1?

GoTrav
04-23-2010, 11:15 PM
I said this the second they took him. They view him as Percy Harvin, not a running back.

isn't Percy a lot bigger and faster? McCluster doesn't suffer from migraines though so I guess that's a bonus

OnTheWarpath58
04-23-2010, 11:16 PM
I get so sick of this shit. There is the 40 speed then there is what you do on the fucking field.

Get sick of it all you want.

In the pros, there's a huge difference between a 4.31 and a 4.58.

Jackson is successful because he's faster than everyone else on the field.

There are guys that weigh 75 pounds more than McCluster that can run a sub 4.6. And he'll find that out very quickly.

Mecca
04-23-2010, 11:17 PM
Harvin is like 6' 200lbs and ran a much better 40.

It's not a good comparison.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 11:18 PM
Get sick of it all you want.

In the pros, there's a huge difference between a 4.31 and a 4.58.

Jackson is successful because he's faster than everyone else on the field.

There are guys that weigh 75 pounds more than McCluster that can run a sub 4.6. And he'll find that out very quickly.

He ran 4.4's on his pro day. Happy now?

Mecca
04-23-2010, 11:18 PM
Dwayne Bowe's 40 is better than McCluster's for comparison sake.

GoTrav
04-23-2010, 11:18 PM
Get sick of it all you want.

In the pros, there's a huge difference between a 4.31 and a 4.58.

Jackson is successful because he's faster than everyone else on the field.

There are guys that weigh 75 pounds more than McCluster that can run a sub 4.6. And he'll find that out very quickly.

he or we?

OnTheWarpath58
04-23-2010, 11:19 PM
He ran 4.4's on his pro day. Happy now?

No, I'm not.

Dwayne Bowe's 40 is better than McCluster's for comparison sake.

And he outweighs him by over 50 pounds.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 11:19 PM
Harvin is like 6' 200lbs and ran a much better 40.

It's not a good comparison.

Too bad he can't catch the fucking ball.

GoTrav
04-23-2010, 11:19 PM
Dwayne Bowe's 40 is better than McCluster's for comparison sake.

but Bowe can catch balls in traffic...err, nm

Mecca
04-23-2010, 11:20 PM
McCluster is CJ Spiller if he blew out both his knees and got smaller.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 11:20 PM
No, I'm not.



And he outweighs him by over 50 pounds.

Well he waxed the SEC. Including Berry.

Mecca
04-23-2010, 11:21 PM
He had 44 catches, lets be fair here, this guy is not remotely a polished receiver and he's not freaky enough to just get open like Harvin.

the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:21 PM
Well he waxed the SEC. Including Berry.

so did tim tebow

should we have drafted him?

petegz28
04-23-2010, 11:23 PM
so did tim tebow

should we have drafted him?

Don't know, should we have? I don't think we should have.

So I am having a hard time now why you don't like him. First you say he is slow which really he isn't. Then you want to throw out what he did in college. I'll just take it no matter what, you don't and won't like him.

the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:24 PM
He had 44 catches, lets be fair here, this guy is not remotely a polished receiver and he's not freaky enough to just get open like Harvin.

he's a rb in a wildcat offense who caught swing passes


he has no idea how to run an nfl route

petegz28
04-23-2010, 11:26 PM
he's a rb in a wildcat offense who caught swing passes


he has no idea how to run an nfl route

I don't give a fuck what he runs. Just get the ball in his hands and let him do his thing.

the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:26 PM
Don't know, should we have? I don't think we should have.

So I am having a hard time now why you don't like him. First you say he is slow which really he isn't. Then you want to throw out what he did in college. I'll just take it no matter what, you don't and won't like him.

i never said he was slow, no idea what you're talking about

i've actually watched him and know what kind of player he is, while you seem to have no clue


we're going to turn a hb into a wr...abnd spent the 36th pick to try out this experiment.....crazy

OleMissCub
04-23-2010, 11:28 PM
would he have needed 300 yds against every opponent as opposed to 175 yds or whatever for you guys to admit he's a solid player?

Talk all you want about him being undersized, but he's a unique player and I'm looking forward to you guys (happily) eating crow when he starts putting points on the board for you.

There isn't a single person who is a fan of one of the many teams that he single handedly demolished who would just go "meh, he's ok". He has a serious, serious talent. There's a reason he was rated so highly amongst nearly everyone who follows the draft. GAME FILM.

And again, if you guys aren't man enough to admit that he is obviously faster than a 4.6 or whatever you have him pegged with, then whatever. Just watch any of his vids on youtube and you'll see a guy running a 4.4, which is what he ran at pro-day. Guys that are considered to be among the fastest in the game don't run 4.6's.

Mecca
04-23-2010, 11:29 PM
No one is saying your boy sucks ok, some of us would have just rather had someone else at 36.

OleMissCub
04-23-2010, 11:31 PM
i've actually watched him and know what kind of player he is, while you seem to have no clue


Obviously you haven't watched him enough because the majority of his yards didn't come from a Wild Cat. The "Wild Rebel" sucked 98% of the time. Most fans loathed it because it never worked.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 11:32 PM
i never said he was slow, no idea what you're talking about

i've actually watched him and know what kind of player he is, while you seem to have no clue


we're going to turn a hb into a wr...abnd spent the 36th pick to try out this experiment.....crazy

We did the same thing with Dante.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 11:33 PM
Yep, this kid sucks.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=227119

mcaj22
04-23-2010, 11:34 PM
i cant believe a guy that has caught like 40 passes is being praised as the next fucking Percy Harvin or Wes Welker, guys who have been catching passes since they came out of their moms vaginas. It's an absolute disrespect to them as today's top tier NFL talent at what they do to compare this guy who has done nothing in terms of that position in the same vein as those guys.

OleMissCub
04-23-2010, 11:36 PM
No one is saying your boy sucks ok, some of us would have just rather had someone else at 36.

Look I understand. I'm a freakishly nuts Saints fanatic and I'm pissed as hell that they drafted a CB and an OL in the 1st and 2nd instead of drafting on need (linebackers). However, if that CB we drafted out of FSU was a historically good ACC defensive back that happened to be undersized, then I would probably begrudingly accept it and hope he continues that historic success in the NFL. I likely wouldn't still be screaming about his size.

the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:38 PM
would he have needed 300 yds against every opponent as opposed to 175 yds or whatever for you guys to admit he's a solid player?

Talk all you want about him being undersized, but he's a unique player and I'm looking forward to you guys (happily) eating crow when he starts putting points on the board for you.

There isn't a single person who is a fan of one of the many teams that he single handedly demolished who would just go "meh, he's ok". He has a serious, serious talent. There's a reason he was rated so highly amongst nearly everyone who follows the draft. GAME FILM.

And again, if you guys aren't man enough to admit that he is obviously faster than a 4.6 or whatever you have him pegged with, then whatever. Just watch any of his vids on youtube and you'll see a guy running a 4.4, which is what he ran at pro-day. Guys that are considered to be among the fastest in the game don't run 4.6's.

jesus fuck

you're a fan of the player

i'm the fan of a team with needs and draft picks that need to be maximized for value in the context of a specific draft


i don't need to hear a fanboi spouting stats about a player i watched all season...yes he's shifty and great at the college level....so fucking what?

that's not the issue....the issue is the use of the 36th pick for the Chiefs....

drafting a 45lb hb to convert to a wr with the the 36th pick of the draft when you have no NT or pass rushing OLB or franchise QB is dumb and the reason why this ass eating franchise has sucked forever....they never get their fucking priorities straight...


kansas city fans think drafting a qb is 'risky'...so we can't do it, even though it is damn near a pre-requisite for winning a superbowl

but if you draft a 50lbs-sopping-wet half-back from a wildcat offense to be a WR in the NFL WITH THE 36TH PICK IN THE DRAFT....well HELL, True Fans love it because it isn't 'risky at all' and everyone knows that rb-turned-WR are the real keys to a superbowl and not QBs....

running a 3-4 with no NT or OLB isn't risky either, it seems....

Mecca
04-23-2010, 11:40 PM
You're bitching about Charles Brown? Charles Brown was a late 1st round value you get him at the end of 2, and you complain?

You got him after we got a midget backup CB, have some perspective.

TRR
04-23-2010, 11:40 PM
he's a rb in a wildcat offense who caught swing passes


he has no idea how to run an nfl route

That is completely untrue. The kid can run the route tree. McCluster had more catches and yards last season than Arrelious Benn, and had a better 2008 season in receptions and yards than Demaryius Thomas. All while carrying the ball over 100 times in the last two seasons.

Focus McCluster on the slot position, and he will be fun to watch.
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the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:41 PM
That is completely untrue. The kid can run the route tree. McCluster had more catches and yards last season than Arrelious Benn, and had a better 2008 season in receptions and yards than Demaryius Thomas. All while carrying the ball over 100 times in the last two seasons.

Focus McCluster on the slot position, and he will be fun to watch.
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i'd love to see a breakdown of the routes he was running...

i'd bet my ass most of his catches were swing passes and screens

Mecca
04-23-2010, 11:42 PM
Arrelious Benn caught 70 balls the year before...this is not good.

And DeMaryius Thomas can't run a route tree either, the dfference is he has #1 WR upside.

petegz28
04-23-2010, 11:43 PM
Arrelious Benn caught 70 balls the year before...this is not good.

And DeMaryius Thomas can't run a route tree either, the dfference is he has #1 WR upside.

This is amazing. You slam a guy for not being a route runner then toute another guy who you admit is not a route runner.

OleMissCub
04-23-2010, 11:44 PM
You're bitching about Charles Brown? Charles Brown was a late 1st round value you get him at the end of 2, and you complain?

You got him after we got a midget backup CB, have some perspective.

Hey I definitely won't defend the Arenas pick, that's for sure. Seemed a bit redundant after getting McCluster.

And I'm not really complaining too much about Brown. That's fine. But the Saints drafting a CB instead of the Linebackers that were available is a bit perplexing.

I suppose one difference in my team and yours is that I actually have faith in my management, so when they make picks that I don't like I'm generally going to try and give them the benefit of the doubt. I think Payton and Greg Williams know what they are doing....you guys don't have much faith in y'alls front office and I certainly understand why given your recent history.

DaneMcCloud
04-23-2010, 11:44 PM
Wow, there is an enormous amount of disinformation in this thread.

While they weren't *my* first choices, I'd be shocked if McCluster and Arenas weren't difference makers by the eighth game, if not immediately.

The Chiefs still have issues in the middle of the defense but there was absolutely no way they could address every need in one draft.

It's likely that the offense took a HUGE step forward today.

doomy3
04-23-2010, 11:44 PM
i cant believe a guy that has caught like 40 passes is being praised as the next ****ing Percy Harvin or Wes Welker, guys who have been catching passes since they came out of their moms vaginas. It's an absolute disrespect to them as today's top tier NFL talent at what they do to compare this guy who has done nothing in terms of that position in the same vein as those guys.


Yeah, Harvin had three more catches than McCluster over his college career.

Mecca
04-23-2010, 11:46 PM
Did I really toute Thomas?

He's 6'3 230 and he's a year away, McCluster doesn't have his upside.

the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:46 PM
Yeah, Harvin had three more catches than McCluster over his college career.


so is he harvin or welker?

HemiEd
04-23-2010, 11:46 PM
The guy fits this team's needs in a lot of ways. I don't get the hate at all.

Both of them seem to fit the playmaker role, it would seem.

OleMissCub
04-23-2010, 11:47 PM
i'd bet my ass most of his catches were swing passes and screens

well sure they were. He was catching them coming out of the RB position. Dexter rarely lineup in the slot, if ever.

So I understand your concern about that because in a sense he is a "project", but the guy is freakishly good at whatever he attempts, so I imagine he'll do fine at that as well.

doomy3
04-23-2010, 11:48 PM
so is he harvin or welker?

I was responding to the post that "Harvin has been catching passes since they came out of his mom's vagina." He caught the same number of passes as McCluster, with a very similar average.

I think McCluster will be a difference maker in this league, and said as much way before the Chiefs drafted him. I'm a big fan of his.

DaneMcCloud
04-23-2010, 11:49 PM
so is he harvin or welker?

I think he's a playmaker, regardless of the comparisons

OleMissCub
04-23-2010, 11:49 PM
all this Harvin talk reminded me of a stat I saw earlier today:

One of only two players (Florida's Percy Harvin) to rank top 10 in the SEC in rushing yards, receiving yards, receptions and all-purpose yards

DeezNutz
04-23-2010, 11:50 PM
If we don't reach on a CB and reach (and trade fucking picks) for an injury-prone TE, no one is bitching about McCluster.

There would probably be some legit excitement about his versatility.

doomy3
04-23-2010, 11:50 PM
YPC Averages for McCluster:

2006: 15.5 YPC
2007: 12.1 YPC
2008: 14.2 YPC
2009: 11.8 YPC

the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:50 PM
I think he's a playmaker, regardless of the comparisons

that's great

so what kind of production can i expect for the 36th pick?

DeezNutz
04-23-2010, 11:53 PM
that's great

so what kind of production can i expect for the 36th pick?

A lot. And it needs to be immediate.

No excuses.

DaneMcCloud
04-23-2010, 11:53 PM
that's great

so what kind of production can i expect for the 36th pick?

I cannot answer that question but I have a feeling that he's going to be electrifying.

Have you seen him play or watched his clips? He's special.

I hope it translates to the NFL.

MoreLemonPledge
04-23-2010, 11:55 PM
I think he's a playmaker, regardless of the comparisons

I can't believe I agree with you, Dane.

I'm really surprised you're taking this draft so well. Pleasantly surprised, actually.

Brock
04-23-2010, 11:55 PM
I cannot answer that question but I have a feeling that he's going to be electrifying.

Have you seen him play or watched his clips? He's special.

I hope it translates to the NFL.

This is the truth. Don't give me 40 times, that's sideshow bullshit. This guy clowned good players all the time.

DaneMcCloud
04-23-2010, 11:55 PM
If we don't reach on a CB and reach (and trade fucking picks) for an injury-prone TE, no one is bitching about McCluster.

There would probably be some legit excitement about his versatility.

The injury-prone TE could be a monster if he can learn how to stay healthy. I'll take that.

From Gruden's comments and looking at his production, I think Arenas pushes Carr to nickel shortly.

I would have preferred that the Chiefs shore up the middle of the defense but I have no problem with the Chiefs taking productive, proven playmakers because I think everyone can agree, that's been missing for years.

OnTheWarpath58
04-23-2010, 11:56 PM
that's great

so what kind of production can i expect for the 36th pick?

A lot. And it needs to be immediate.

No excuses.

Some of these slapdicks want to compare him to DeSean Jackson.

Fine.

1100 yards, 9 TD's.

Good luck, and as Tim Tebow would say, "God Bless."

Mr. Flopnuts
04-23-2010, 11:57 PM
Some of these slapdicks want to compare him to DeSean Jackson.

Fine.

1100 yards, 9 TD's.

Good luck, and as Tim Tebow would say, "God Bless."

LMAO

the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:57 PM
I cannot answer that question but I have a feeling that he's going to be electrifying.

Have you seen him play or watched his clips? He's special.

I hope it translates to the NFL.


god dammit people i watched him all year...i like the guy, nothing against him, he was a great college player


all that has fuck to do with him being worth the 36th pick to the chiefs

i'm sorry for even suggesting we didn't do something awesome

MoreLemonPledge
04-23-2010, 11:58 PM
Some of these slapdicks want to compare him to DeSean Jackson.

Fine.

1100 yards, 9 TD's.

Good luck, and as Tim Tebow would say, "God Bless."

No, I was only challenged to find one player that weighed 165 pounds who produced anything in the NFL. I think DeSean Jackson fits the bill.

DeezNutz
04-23-2010, 11:58 PM
The injury-prone TE could be a monster if he can learn how to stay healthy.

I don't sacrifice two picks for this chance. Not with this position.

the Talking Can
04-23-2010, 11:59 PM
No, I was only challenged to find one player that weighed 165 pounds who produced anything in the NFL. I think DeSean Jackson fits the bill.

so 1 out of 'all of them ever' is a good ratio to you

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:00 AM
Some of these slapdicks want to compare him to DeSean Jackson.

Fine.

1100 yards, 9 TD's.

Good luck, and as Tim Tebow would say, "God Bless."

Well, I think that's unfair considering that he doesn't have McNabb throwing to him.

Instead, it's Matt Cassel.

But honestly, I like the choices. Asamoah at LG next to Albert could be a 10 year connection. Add a center tomorrow and we're looking at a badass nucleus.

They took a chance on Moeaki but I'm okay with that because he *could* be special. McCluster's nothing other than a playmaker and if Arenas lives up to billing, he'll push out Carr (who quite honestly, I'm really not a fan of, regardless of the safety position. He just doesn't seem very intuitive).

Flame away.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 12:00 AM
god dammit people i watched him all year...i like the guy, nothing against him, he was a great college player


all that has fuck to do with him being worth the 36th pick to the chiefs

i'm sorry for even suggesting we didn't do something awesome

That's the thing, it's not like anyone is saying that McCluster is going to be shit. We're just saying there are going to be a handful of players, at positions that we desperately needed, that are going to be very good.

This is a luxury we could not afford.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 12:01 AM
I was pretty happy with Asamoah. He was the 2nd highest rated guard and we got him in the 3rd round. I'm good with that one.

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:02 AM
god dammit people i watched him all year...i like the guy, nothing against him, he was a great college player


all that has fuck to do with him being worth the 36th pick to the chiefs

i'm sorry for even suggesting we didn't do something awesome

Well, pardon my naivete, but I'm not going to judge this particular pick before I see him on the field, in Charlie Weis' offense.

This isn't like taking TyJack at #3 overall or Donald fucking Washington in the fourth.

The dude is a playmaker. If he continues that with the Chiefs, I couldn't give a shit what Tate or Benn do on their respective teams.

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:02 AM
so 1 out of 'all of them ever' is a good ratio to you

Yes, he's the only successful small player who was ever in the NFL, or will ever be in the NFL.

Jesus Christ, the negativity is rampant.

Brock
04-24-2010, 12:04 AM
That's the thing, it's not like anyone is saying that McCluster is going to be shit. We're just saying there are going to be a handful of players, at positions that we desperately needed, that are going to be very good.

This is a luxury we could not afford.

We cannot afford the luxury of a player that can score on any given play. Wait, what?

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:04 AM
That's the thing, it's not like anyone is saying that McCluster is going to be shit. We're just saying there are going to be a handful of players, at positions that we desperately needed, that are going to be very good.

This is a luxury we could not afford.

I disagree.

This is exactly what the Chiefs needed on offense: Another home run threat.

He may end up being the perfect compliment to Charles, especially since I believe Asomoah completely changes the offensive line.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:05 AM
Well, I think that's unfair considering that he doesn't have McNabb throwing to him.

Instead, it's Matt Cassel.

But honestly, I like the choices. Asamoah at LG next to Albert could be a 10 year connection. Add a center tomorrow and we're looking at a badass nucleus.

They took a chance on Moeaki but I'm okay with that because he *could* be special. McCluster's nothing other than a playmaker and if Arenas lives up to billing, he'll push out Carr (who quite honestly, I'm really not a fan of, regardless of the safety position. He just doesn't seem very intuitive).

Flame away.

I love the Asomoah pick. Love it.

However, when you have gaping holes in your front 7, and you pass on these players at some point in the night:

Everson Griffen
Daryl Washington
Koa Misi
Sergio Kindle
Linval Joseph
Sean Lee
Terrence Cody
Major Wright
Chad Jones
Donald Butler

And come away with a project slot WR, a nickle corner (after drafting one last year) and a broken TE, who you traded up for, again, after trading up for one LAST YEAR, you've done a piss-poor job, IMO.

We took part time luxury players, while the board was falling perfectly to take impact players at positions of desperate need.

You couldn't have asked for a board to fall any better than it did tonight, and we fucking blew it.

Take 4 guys off of that list - any 4 - and this defense is set for a decade.

Instead, we still have the worst front 7 in football.

Inexcusable.

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:06 AM
So we draft for need and we get Tyson Jackson, Colin Brown, and Jake O'Connell. Drafturbators bitch.

We draft BPA and playmakers and drafturbators bitch.

I'm confused. What should we do exactly?

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 12:06 AM
I'm just saying, we have Charles. We signed Thomas Jones. And then drafted a RB to be a slot receiver all while WR's with a 1st round grade were still on the board.

We have a home run threat in JC. We don't have a nose, and we don't have a decent rush backer. We have core positions that desperately need to be filled.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:07 AM
We cannot afford the luxury of a player that can score on any given play. Wait, what?

He's going to have to score on every play, considering our front 7 is the same as last year - you know, the one that gave up 26 PPG?

There were defensive players available that would have had a greater impact overall on this team than a part time, project WR.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:08 AM
I'm just saying, we have Charles. We signed Thomas Jones. And then drafted a RB to be a slot receiver all while WR's with a 1st round grade were still on the board.

We have a home run threat in JC. We don't have a nose, and we don't have a decent rush backer. We have core positions that desperately need to be filled.

This.

People act like Jamaal Charles isn't on the fucking roster.

Meanwhile, Jerome Harrison just scored again.

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:10 AM
This.

People act like Jamaal Charles isn't on the fucking roster.

Meanwhile, Jerome Harrison just scored again.

Jamaal Charles is a RB. McCluster will be a WR. Whether you agree with what they're doing or not, they will be playing different positions.

Your comparison is moot.

doomy3
04-24-2010, 12:11 AM
Aren't some of these people who are bitching also the same people who would have been OK taking CJ Spiller with a top 5 pick this year?

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:11 AM
I love the Asomoah pick. Love it.

However, when you have gaping holes in your front 7, and you pass on these players at some point in the night:

Everson Griffen
Daryl Washington
Koa Misi
Sergio Kindle
Linval Joseph
Sean Lee
Terrence Cody
Major Wright
Chad Jones
Donald Butler

And come away with a project slot WR, a nickle corner (after drafting one last year) and a broken TE, who you traded up for, again, after trading up for one LAST YEAR, you've done a piss-poor job, IMO.

We took part time luxury players, while the board was falling perfectly to take impact players at positions of desperate need.

You couldn't have asked for a board to fall any better than it did tonight, and we fucking blew it.

Take 4 guys off of that list - any 4 - and this defense is set for a decade.

Instead, we still have the worst front 7 in football.

Inexcusable.

I understand what you're saying and don't necessarily disagree.

But I'm going to give Romeo Crennel the benefit of the doubt. There is some young talent on the defensive side of the ball. Free agency isn't over. There will be guys cut in training camp that can help the Chiefs.

The bottom line to me is that yes, I expected the Chiefs to shore up the middle of the defense, but I also believe that homerun playmakers on offense and the return game have been lacking for years and years.

And I'm not bummed about Arenas or Moeaki.

Brock
04-24-2010, 12:12 AM
He's going to have to score on every play, considering our front 7 is the same as last year - you know, the one that gave up 26 PPG?

There were defensive players available that would have had a greater impact overall on this team than a part time, project WR.

Yeah, either that or the 4 first round picks they already have up there can start playing up to their fucking paycheck.

OleMissCub
04-24-2010, 12:13 AM
edit

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 12:13 AM
we could have easily traded up to get hughes, the best/second best 3-4 OLB in the draft and a true pass rusher....a 4th or less

then take linval/cody or tate with 2b

You'd have solved the core positions on defense and have improved at every level

Berry
Hughes
Linval/Cody
Assmooga


all 4 immediate starters...all proven talents at their positions...that is a Gold Star draft and you didn't reach just to make Cassel happy


instead we got a midget nickle cb and a slot receiver/converted hb/midget

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:14 AM
So we draft for need and we get Tyson Jackson, Colin Brown, and Jake O'Connell. Drafturbators bitch.

We draft BPA and playmakers and drafturbators bitch.

I'm confused. What should we do exactly?

I guess I'm no longer a drafturbator this year because while I certainly could have seen the Chiefs go a different direction with their picks, I'm not unhappy, whatsoever.

BryanBusby
04-24-2010, 12:15 AM
<object width="400" height="200"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=7781366&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;ful lscreen=1" /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=7781366&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;ful lscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="200"></embed></object><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/7781366">Dexter McCluster vs. Tennessee</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user1030762">Alo Draft</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

Here you go duder

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:15 AM
instead we got a midget nickle cb and a slot receiver/converted hb/midget

How is 5'9, 199 a midget yet a 15 year player in Ronde Barber, at 5'10 184 isn't?

Come on guys, there are bigger fish to fry.

OleMissCub
04-24-2010, 12:16 AM
The vid of McCluster's touches against Tennessee actually IS still online. I'm new here so I can't post links yet, but go to vimeo.com and type in Dexter McCluster and it is the only video that pops up.

I can't start threads either, but it'd probably make a good thread because the vid focuses solely on Dexter's 25 or so touches that game, his good ones and bad ones and shows his style, etc.

If not a new thread, perhaps someone could embed it below.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:16 AM
Yeah, either that or the 4 first round picks they already have up there can start playing up to their fucking paycheck.

Interesting, considering who's ass these picks are covering.

Hint: The highest paid player on our roster.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 12:16 AM
How is 5'9, 199 a midget yet a 15 year player in Ronde Barber, at 5'10 184 isn't?

Come on guys, there are bigger fish to fry.


my point stands

OleMissCub
04-24-2010, 12:16 AM
Here you go duder

yes thanks!

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:17 AM
my point stands

So does mine.

Hopefully, I'm right.

:D

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:18 AM
I understand what you're saying and don't necessarily disagree.

But I'm going to give Romeo Crennel the benefit of the doubt. There is some young talent on the defensive side of the ball. Free agency isn't over. There will be guys cut in training camp that can help the Chiefs.

The bottom line to me is that yes, I expected the Chiefs to shore up the middle of the defense, but I also believe that homerun playmakers on offense and the return game have been lacking for years and years.

And I'm not bummed about Arenas or Moeaki.

I have to wonder about players like Tate.

Again, our OC has the best info possible about him and Clausen and we pass on both.

Twice.

And after the draft Pioli makes a big speech about character, talent, and intelligence.

I don't think Tate or Clausen fall short in talent. Tate perfectly fits the slot WR/KR role. When we pass twice on Tate and prefer to convert a HB to WR it makes me think there's a good reason behind it (despite my preferences.)

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:19 AM
Interesting, considering who's ass these picks are covering.

Hint: The highest paid player on our roster.

Yeah, and they'll continue to cover asses long after he's gone

RedThat
04-24-2010, 12:19 AM
I like the McCluster pick for a variety of reasons.

For one, I think he is going to make this team better in a lot of ways. He is an electrifying player that makes this team more dimensional.

He will be the solution to many problems. I think he has great vision and explosiveness which if you really think about it, those are the two attributes necessary that make a great returner, which I think he could be in the NFL.

Count him in as a possible solution to our special teams woes in the return game.
Besides that, I think he is very underrated as a route runner. Plus, the dude has pretty good hands. And if you think about it? What were our problems on offense last year? Dropped passes, too many slow players, oh yeah and Id also like to add he brings another level of toughness to our team. Something Bobby Wade or Lance Long couldn't do btw.

I think he will get plenty of playing time in the slot. So I expect our receiving corps to improve. I think he'll compete in the return game with Javier Arenas. Plus, I could see him getting a few carries here and there to compliment both Jones and Charles. Well, that is the least Id expect from him because of his size. I can't see him necessarily play HB in the NFL. But guys like Warrick Dunn did it at 185lbs. He could get thrown in there to possibly block and protect Cassel. He is a GOOD blocker.

He is listed as 172lbs, but he plays a lot bigger than that. He is an all effort type of guy which is what I really like about him. He doesn't take plays off. Which is what the Chiefs REALLY need. More of those type of guys.

*With all that being said, he could improve the return game, the passing game, add more stability to the receiving corps. Add more creativity to this offense, which is huge. I bet this team designs plays to take advantage of his quickness.

Brock
04-24-2010, 12:19 AM
Interesting, considering who's ass these picks are covering.

Hint: The highest paid player on our roster.

I know, it's all about Cassel. So what? We got speed and we got playmakers. The defense got faster and the offense got faster. It's good.

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:20 AM
Yeah, either that or the 4 first round picks they already have up there can start playing up to their ****ing paycheck.

That'd be nice...

keg in kc
04-24-2010, 12:22 AM
We passed on Tate three times. And I don't think that any of the offensive picks today were made without Weis being a major part of it. (Ditto Crennel with Arenas).

keg in kc
04-24-2010, 12:23 AM
How is 5'9, 199 a midget yet a 15 year player in Ronde Barber, at 5'10 184 isn't?

Come on guys, there are bigger fish to fry.You get extra points for "bigger fish to fry".

LMAO

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:24 AM
We passed on Tate three times.

My bad.

Point stands.

And I don't think that any of the offensive picks today were made without Weis being a major part of it. (Ditto Crennel with Arenas).

And I agree. The whole "Pioli isn't listening to our OC/DC" is bull$#it. I think that's exactly what he did, looking back...

BigMeatballDave
04-24-2010, 12:25 AM
That's the thing, it's not like anyone is saying that McCluster is going to be shit. We're just saying there are going to be a handful of players, at positions that we desperately needed, that are going to be very good.

This is a luxury we could not afford.I agree with you, however, Haley and Pioli must really like this kid and had to pull the trigger then. I'd imagine they probably didn't think they'd have to take him there.

BryanBusby
04-24-2010, 12:25 AM
yes thanks!

np man

McCluster was an awfully weird selection by Pioli, no doubt about that. Seems more of a luxury type of pick when the Chiefs lack the meat and potatoes.

It's already said and done though. With that out of the way, Dexter McCluster is fucking insane and brings much needed speed to a slow ass Chiefs team. In the long run, this will be a nice selection.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:26 AM
I just watched 8 minutes of the video presented, and I didn't see him do a single thing that Jamaal Charles doesn't already do, or couldn't do.

The only point that video makes is that we just used the 36th overall pick to take a smaller, slower version of a player we took in the 3rd round 2 years ago.

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:28 AM
I just watched 8 minutes of the video presented, and I didn't see him do a single thing that Jamaal Charles doesn't already do, or couldn't do.

The only point that video makes is that we just used the 36th overall pick to take a smaller, slower version of a player we took in the 3rd round 2 years ago.

Again, Charles is a RB, McCluster is a WR. Different positions.

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:29 AM
Again, Charles is a RB, McCluster is a WR. Different positions.

Because we're MOVING him there...

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 12:30 AM
Again, Charles is a RB, McCluster is a WR. Different positions.

:spock: Well fuck, why not just move Charles to WR and have Jones be RB? Do you realize that McCluster is a RB being converted by the Chiefs to WR?

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 12:30 AM
Again, Charles is a RB, McCluster is a WR. Different positions.

actually he is a half back....we're going to turn him into an nfl wr

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:30 AM
Again, Charles is a RB, McCluster is a WR. Different positions.

That's funny, I didn't see McCluster line up in the slot and run a route once.

So you're admitting he's a project.

Christ, even the Ole Miss fan admits he was rarely, if ever used in the slot.

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:31 AM
Because we're MOVING him there...

It doesn't matter. He's not taking anything away from JC. They will be on the field at the same time.

If anything, think of the proposition of having 2 Jamaal Charles' on the field together, if you want to make that comparison so badly.

Saccopoo
04-24-2010, 12:31 AM
:spock: Well ****, why not just move Charles to WR and have Jones be RB? Do you realize that McCluster is a RB being converted by the Chiefs to WR?

Albert was a guard and got converted and everyone seems to be okay with that, so why not McCluster?

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:32 AM
That's funny, I didn't see McCluster line up in the slot and run a route once.

So you're admitting he's a project.

Christ, even the Ole Miss fan admits he was rarely, if ever used in the slot.

Doesn't matter. Don't compare him to Charles. Whether I think it's the right call or you or anyone else, he will be used differently in this offense.

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:32 AM
It doesn't matter. He's not taking anything away from JC. They will be on the field at the same time.

If anything, think of the proposition of having 2 Jamaal Charles' on the field together, if you want to make that comparison so badly.

That isn't helping your argument.

Do we want two Cassels out there?

Hell, I'm not sure I'd like having two Bowe's out there...

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 12:33 AM
Albert was a guard and got converted and everyone seems to be okay with that, so why not McCluster?

Because LT is more valuable than LG and Albert had the skill set for it. We didn't have an LT. We have WR's and we have RB's.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 12:33 AM
Albert was a guard and got converted and everyone seems to be okay with that, so why not McCluster?

because switching positions on the OL is obviously different than switching from RB to WR


the former happens all the time on every team in the nfl

the latter rarely ever happens



did you really need to be told that or are you playing dumb again?

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:33 AM
Albert was a guard and got converted and everyone seems to be okay with that, so why not McCluster?

Not even the same ballpark...

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:34 AM
That isn't helping your argument.

Do we want two Cassels out there?

Hell, I'm not sure I'd like having two Bowe's out there...

You know what we need two of?

OLB.

And ILB.

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:34 AM
JFC, there is a shit ton of negativity in this thread.

The guy is a play maker. A FUCKING PLAYMAKER!

Who here doesn't want offensive or defensive playmakers?

Come on, guys!

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:35 AM
That isn't helping your argument.

Do we want two Cassels out there?

Hell, I'm not sure I'd like having two Bowe's out there...

I'm not making the comparison, but if it's going to be made, at least he's being compared with the best player on our offense.

BryanBusby
04-24-2010, 12:36 AM
I just watched 8 minutes of the video presented, and I didn't see him do a single thing that Jamaal Charles doesn't already do, or couldn't do.

The only point that video makes is that we just used the 36th overall pick to take a smaller, slower version of a player we took in the 3rd round 2 years ago.

Your analysis blows.

OleMissCub
04-24-2010, 12:36 AM
but he's a MIDGET!!!!!!

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:36 AM
JFC, there is a shit ton of negativity in this thread.

The guy is a play maker. A FUCKING PLAYMAKER!

Who here doesn't want offensive or defensive playmakers?

Come on, guys!

I wanted defensive playmakers.

They passed on 10 of them. All at positions we needed starters at. Instead, we take guys that fill the 3-deep at their respective positions.



Everson Griffen
Daryl Washington
Koa Misi
Sergio Kindle
Linval Joseph
Sean Lee
Terrence Cody
Major Wright
Chad Jones
Donald Butler

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 12:36 AM
JFC, there is a shit ton of negativity in this thread.

The guy is a play maker. A ****ING PLAYMAKER!

Who here doesn't want offensive or defensive playmakers?

Come on, guys!

we're discussing the reality of it and you just want to put your fingers in your ears and scream 'playmaker!'


sorry, but that doesn't make it smart

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:37 AM
Your analysis blows.

Great.

Tell me what he did in that clip, or did in any other game that Jammal Charles can't do.

I'll wait.

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:37 AM
You know what we need two of?

OLB.

And ILB.

Come on, Dude. Anyone can play that game.

They FUCKED UP last year. They wouldn't need a guy like McCluster if they'd have taken Harvin #3 or Cushing or Matthews, etc.

At least they addressed team players, team speed and productive college players.

This team sucked fucking ass before Thursday.

Hopefully, they just got a little better.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 12:38 AM
We took a class very very deep in defensive playmakers and turned it into slot WR project and backup CB.

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:39 AM
Great.

Tell me what he did in that clip, or did in any other game that Jammal Charles can't do.

I'll wait.

I'll play.

What if you have TWO GUYS that are like Jamal Charles, on the field, at the same time?

BigMeatballDave
04-24-2010, 12:39 AM
Wow, the butthurt is strong with a few in this thread.

rtmike
04-24-2010, 12:39 AM
Without reading all 12 pages I checked to see how he was ranked at CBS & some other site & they both had him ranked in the WR category, not RB.

And I might add @ CBS he was their #5 guy.

notorious
04-24-2010, 12:40 AM
Fuck!

That felt good.

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:41 AM
We took a class very very deep in defensive playmakers and turned it into slot WR project and backup CB.

You're wrong because they're not projects. They may seem to be projects to you, but they're not.

And quite frankly, who's to say at this point that Cody in KC or any of the other LBer's would immediately contribute and making winning plays next year?

This draft so far is six of one, half a dozen of the other.

DBOSHO
04-24-2010, 12:41 AM
Come on, Dude. Anyone can play that game.

They ****ED UP last year. They wouldn't need a guy like McCluster if they'd have taken Harvin #3 or Cushing or Matthews, etc.

At least they addressed team players, team speed and productive college players.

This team sucked ****ing ass before Thursday.

Hopefully, they just got a little better.

Wait a second...

IS THIS OPTIMISM FROM DANE MCCLOUD?

keg in kc
04-24-2010, 12:41 AM
I wanted defensive playmakers.

They passed on 10 of them. All at positions we needed starters at. Instead, we take guys that fill the 3-deep at their respective positions.I don't disagree with you in that there may have been other options, but "3-deep" may be more important than you're making it out to be, when on offense we're likely to be running a lot of 3-wide sets, paired with the amount of nickel that's run in the NFL these days. In other words, our nickel corner and slot receivers are starters for all intents and purposes. These aren't guys who are going to be on the bench 75% of the time. Unless of course they're not good enough get on the field to begin with.

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:42 AM
I'm not making the comparison, but if it's going to be made, at least he's being compared with the best player on our offense.

Wait, I thought he was a WR now?...:evil:

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:42 AM
Wow, the butthurt is strong with a few in this thread.

Fuck, I feel like Hootie.

Dane vs. the Drafturbators.

Who do YOU think will win?

:D

BryanBusby
04-24-2010, 12:42 AM
Great.

Tell me what he did in that clip, or did in any other game that Jammal Charles can't do.

I'll wait.

slower version of a player we took in the 3rd round 2 years ago.

"Stupid ass Pioli. Liking Jamaal Charles so much he decided to draft another player that brings the explosiveness that he does to the table."

I know it's a foreign concept in Kansas City, but teams usually decide they like to have more than one good player. Shocking shit, eh?

OleMissCub
04-24-2010, 12:42 AM
As a fan of a team with a super high charged offense (Saints) I personally enjoy having playmakers all over the place. Can never have enough.

I get that the team needed defense, but at least you got an extra stud on offense. Could be worse.

keg in kc
04-24-2010, 12:42 AM
Wait a second...

IS THIS OPTIMISM FROM DANE MCCLOUD?I think he's stoned. F*cking Cali and its "medical" marijuana.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:43 AM
Come on, Dude. Anyone can play that game.

They FUCKED UP last year. They wouldn't need a guy like McCluster if they'd have taken Harvin #3 or Cushing or Matthews, etc.

At least they addressed team players, team speed and productive college players.

This team sucked fucking ass before Thursday.

Hopefully, they just got a little better.

They didn't need McCluster regardless of who they took or didn't take last year.

There was nothing wrong with the offense, other than the goddamn QB.

You can't say that about the defense.

As bad as Cassel was last year, with a competent defense, they go 8-8.

This is what our defense could have looked like after tonight:

Jackson - Cody/Joseph - Dorsey

Kindle/Misi - Butler/Washington - DJ - Hali

Carr - Berry - Wright/Jones - Flowers

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:43 AM
Wait a second...

IS THIS OPTIMISM FROM DANE MCCLOUD?

You don't know me.

You only think you do.

QuikSsurfer
04-24-2010, 12:43 AM
Wait, I thought he was a WR now?...:evil:

facepalm.gif

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:44 AM
I'll play.

What if you have TWO GUYS that are like Jamal Charles, on the field, at the same time?

There's only one fucking ball, Dane.

notorious
04-24-2010, 12:44 AM
****, I feel like Hootie.

Dane vs. the Drafturbators.

Who do YOU think will win?

:D

There are no winners, just dead bodies. LMAO

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:44 AM
I don't disagree with you in that there may have been other options, but "3-deep" may be more important than you're making it out to be, when on offense we're likely to be running a lot of 3-wide sets, paired with the amount of nickel that's run in the NFL these days. In other words, our nickel corner and slot receivers are starters for all intents and purposes. These aren't guys who are going to be on the bench 75% of the time. Unless of course they're not good enough get on the field to begin with.

I think that's exactly what they're saying due to how high they were picked.

And it scares me. The idea that the middle of our defense (the weakest link) will be exposed most of the day scares the hell out of me.

Perhaps even more than drafting a TE who can't block to pair with a QB who loves to take sacks...

OleMissCub
04-24-2010, 12:45 AM
There's only one ****ing ball, Dane.

LOL

omg

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:45 AM
There's only one fucking ball, Dane.

So we only need one player, right?

BryanBusby
04-24-2010, 12:45 AM
There's only one ****ing ball, Dane.

You are one stupid son of a bitch.

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:46 AM
Since when did the 'baters become the true fans, and vice versa?

KC kid
04-24-2010, 12:46 AM
i was down on the 2nd round at first. I am still having a hard time with Gilbert Jabari Jamon Arenas. Dexter Mac has grown on me like a dreadlock. KC needs some gamebreakers. If Dmac was drafted as a special teamer and rb, it is a fail. As a slot, this could be very good for us. I was impressed with his change of direction. He will be hard to guard in space. Arenas is the guy going to guard slot players. I guess they are tired of Gafney schooling us. I am obviously still worried about stopping the run. I guess a big mlb could go a long ways there. It depends on what the chiefs think of their d line. Clancy was a joke of a coordinator and pioli hinted tonight the schemes did not put players in good positions. Maybe Magee and Jackson have improved this offseason. Maybe the chiefs do not want to throw more high picks and big money at the d line. Maybe I have had a few drinks.

I give this draft a B+.

Berry = stud
Dexter = gamebreaker as a wr. no great wrs in this draft.
Arenas - ??? wtf
Asamoah = who cant like a stud scholar athlete. this seems like a lock
Moeaki = shoot me but i watched some clips of him and he looks great. WAY better than cottam.

All these guys are good tough guys.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:47 AM
You are one stupid son of a bitch.

I'm not the dumbass who just used the 36th overall pick on a RB he wants to convert to a slot WR.

Just ignore me, I wouldn't want to interrupt the rimjob you're giving Pioli at the moment.

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:47 AM
You are one stupid son of a bitch.

Fuck I love draft day...LMAO

DBOSHO
04-24-2010, 12:47 AM
You don't know me.

You only think you do.

WHOA!

notorious
04-24-2010, 12:47 AM
Since when did the 'baters become the true fans, and vice versa?

It's fucking Chaos!

The battle lines have changed instantly!


Dogs and Cats living together, Mass Hysteria!

BryanBusby
04-24-2010, 12:47 AM
I'm not the dumbass who just used the 36th overall pick on a RB he wants to convert to a slot WR.

Just ignore me, I wouldn't want to interrupt the rimjob you're giving Pioli at the moment.
I'd rather not. Cry more bitch Q_Q

BigMeatballDave
04-24-2010, 12:47 AM
There's only one fucking ball, Dane.LMAO so there cannot be 2 alike playmakers on the field at the same time?

KCrockaholic
04-24-2010, 12:48 AM
Shit. I can't tell who is the True Fan, and who is the Drafturbator.....The world is ending....

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:48 AM
I'm not the dumbass who just used the 36th overall pick on a RB he wants to convert to a slot WR.

Just ignore me, I wouldn't want to interrupt the rimjob you're giving Pioli at the moment.

I bet the Vikings are really kicking themselves for taking a converted RB and making him a WR.

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:48 AM
They didn't need McCluster regardless of who they took or didn't take last year.

There was nothing wrong with the offense, other than the goddamn QB.


Dude, I don't have much more time tonight but FFS, there was a SHIT TON wrong with the offense.

No perimeter playmakers (Bowe was a mental FUCK last year), Chambers is/was a short term solution, no one makes catches over the middle and the line sucked ass.

I NOW have hope for the line and there's more yet to come. Albert/Asamoah/Weigman/Brown/O'C is a HUGE upgrade over last year.

McCluster brings playmaking ability that was sorely lacking outside of Charles.

Look at the rankings: Like 28th offensively and 30th defensively.

They suck. And this being an offensive league, I'm fine with the selections.

This isn't going to be a quick rebuild.

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:48 AM
It's ****ing Chaos!

The battle lines have changed instantly!


Dogs and Cats living together, Mass Hysteria!

Don't cross the streams Ray!

http://marriageconfessions.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg

QuikSsurfer
04-24-2010, 12:49 AM
ROFL

keg in kc
04-24-2010, 12:49 AM
I think that's exactly what they're saying due to how high they were picked.

And it scares me. The idea that the middle of our defense (the weakest link) will be exposed most of the day scares the hell out of me.

Perhaps even more than drafting a TE who can't block to pair with a QB who loves to take sacks...I'm with you. Hell, I'm the guy that was pushing Rolando McClain as a viable alternative to Berry. I guess they like Belcher and Mays and Williams a lot more than I do.

notorious
04-24-2010, 12:49 AM
Shit. I can't tell who is the True Fan, and who is the Drafturbator.....The world is ending....

LMAO

Truefturbator?!

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 12:50 AM
I just watched 8 minutes of the video presented, and I didn't see him do a single thing that Jamaal Charles doesn't already do, or couldn't do.

The only point that video makes is that we just used the 36th overall pick to take a smaller, slower version of a player we took in the 3rd round 2 years ago.

I have no idea how to judge this pick. We'll wait and see. But it doesn't make sense to judge him based on what Charles can do. Thomas Jones is here for one year. After this season, we need a second back.

My preference all offseason was for Sproles.

I've heard everyone say that McCluster is purely a slot receiver. It sounds to me that they have him listed as a receiver. I haven't seen anything that suggests they're married to him being a full-time receiver.

If he bulks up, I see no reason why he couldn't be a slot receiver in 4-5 receiver sets, a 3rd down back, and just a guy to take a carry or two away from Charles.

We have yet to see. But for all the bitching, I've yet to find a source that doesn't think he was picked at about the right value at the pick.

Rausch
04-24-2010, 12:50 AM
I'm with you. Hell, I'm the guy that was pushing Rolando McClain as a viable alternative to Berry. I guess they like Belcher and Mays and Williams a lot more than I do.

I know I'll get blasted for this but I have more faith in Mays than DJ...

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:51 AM
LMAO so there cannot be 2 alike playmakers on the field at the same time?

Of course there can. You're missing the point.

You guys are acting as if he was the BPA. He wasn't.

Or that we don't have Jamaal Charles. We do.

Or that we have solid starters on the front seven, specifically at LB. We don't.

So, while I love Jamaal Charles, I think it's an incredible waste of resources to take his smaller clone in a draft where there are impact players at positions of desperate need staring you in the face at each pick.

KCrockaholic
04-24-2010, 12:51 AM
LMAO

Truefturbator?!

Oh Damn. A new word....

notorious
04-24-2010, 12:52 AM
I know I'll get blasted for this but I have more faith in Mays than DJ...

You would be amazed at how many people agree.


DJ fucking wiffs on too many tackles and is out of position all the time.


Mays strengths are DJ's weaknesses and vice-versa.

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:52 AM
Of course there can. You're missing the point.

You guys are acting as if he was the BPA. He wasn't.

Or that we don't have Jamaal Charles. We do.

Or that we have solid starters on the front seven, specifically at LB. We don't.

So, while I love Jamaal Charles, I think it's an incredible waste of resources to take his smaller clone in a draft where there are impact players at positions of desperate need staring you in the face at each pick.

So what are you projecting McCluster to do in his rookie season? I'll make a bet and take the over.

notorious
04-24-2010, 12:52 AM
Oh Damn. A new word....

Nah, certainly someone can do better than that.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:53 AM
I bet the Vikings are really kicking themselves for taking a converted RB and making him a WR.

The Vikings didn't have gaping holes on their roster, did they?

They could afford a luxury pick.

And comparing McCluster to Harvin as a WR in college is just absurd.

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:53 AM
Nah, certainly someone can do better than that.

I'll go with fluffer. No reason, really. I just like that word.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 12:53 AM
When the defense is getting gashed by Jerome Harrison type players next year at least you'll be happy grandpa's offense is back. Minus the mid tier quarterback of course.

Hey we lost, but we scored 40! That's improvement!

keg in kc
04-24-2010, 12:54 AM
I know I'll get blasted for this but I have more faith in Mays than DJ...I don't think I'd disagree at this point. I wasn't one of the people clamoring for DJ to be on the field last year. He was on the bench for a reason. All the talent in the world doesn't mean a thing if you're missing all your assignments.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:54 AM
When the defense is getting gashed by Jerome Harrison type players next year at least you'll be happy grandpa's offense is back. Minus the mid tier quarterback of course.

Hey we lost, but we scored 40! That's improvement!

Seriously.

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:55 AM
When the defense is getting gashed by Jerome Harrison type players next year at least you'll be happy grandpa's offense is back. Minus the mid tier quarterback of course.

Hey we lost, but we scored 40! That's improvement!

So do you not agree that Crennel is better than whatever shit we had at DC last year? You don't think that's an improvement in itself?

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 12:55 AM
our lb core is pretty much all ass

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:55 AM
Of course there can. You're missing the point.

You guys are acting as if he was the BPA. He wasn't.

Or that we don't have Jamaal Charles. We do.

Or that we have solid starters on the front seven, specifically at LB. We don't.

So, while I love Jamaal Charles, I think it's an incredible waste of resources to take his smaller clone in a draft where there are impact players at positions of desperate need staring you in the face at each pick.

I think that's debatable. We've all heard about Philly and Kiper had him in his Top Ten when the Chiefs chose.

Again, I expected them to shore up the middle of the defense but they chose to go with an offensive playmaker. I couldn't give a shit about 10 spots IF they get a playmaker.

And for whatever reason, they didn't think the defensive player was the right choice. Time will tell if they're right or wrong but I can't find them "wrong" for choosing a proven leader and playmaker.

notorious
04-24-2010, 12:55 AM
When the defense is getting gashed by Jerome Harrison type players next year at least you'll be happy grandpa's offense is back. Minus the mid tier quarterback of course.

Hey we lost, but we scored 40! That's improvement!

Back to Vermeil's teams.


Give me a shotgun and I will paint you a pretty, red picture.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 12:55 AM
Seriously.

I'm just glad we have Eric Berry to limit them to 8 yard runs instead of 18.

L.A. Chieffan
04-24-2010, 12:56 AM
theres no way this offense would be as good as vermeils, now youre just pulling my chain TRUE FAN

L.A. Chieffan
04-24-2010, 12:56 AM
who needs linebackers in a 3-4?

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:57 AM
So do you not agree that Crennel is better than whatever shit we had at DC last year? You don't think that's an improvement in itself?

I guess no one learned their lesson from this time last year, when everyone said that coaching alone would result in at least 7-8 wins - and that Pendergast would be a huge improvement over Gunther.

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:57 AM
our lb core is pretty much all ass

But so was safety, nickel, offensive line, tight end and the return game before today.

They just have too many fucking holes.

keg in kc
04-24-2010, 12:57 AM
When the defense is getting gashed by Jerome Harrison type players next year at least you'll be happy grandpa's offense is back. Minus the mid tier quarterback of course.

Hey we lost, but we scored 40! That's improvement!Hopefully there's a draft and free agency in 2011 so we can finish putting this thing together.

(Something I'd also be saying had they taken a new NT and ILB)

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 12:57 AM
So do you not agree that Crennel is better than whatever shit we had at DC last year? You don't think that's an improvement in itself?

I do. And I am hoping with all hope he can do what Gunther couldn't, take underachieving players and bring them to their potential.

I'm also hoping with all hope that I'm dead wrong. That these guys actually know what the fuck they're doing and I'm just a blithering idiot.

It's not like I get so wrapped up in my opinions that I hope this team fails. I'm not that proud.

MoreLemonPledge
04-24-2010, 12:58 AM
I guess no one learned their lesson from this time last year, when everyone said that coaching alone would result in at least 7-8 wins - and that Pendergast would be a huge improvement over Gunther.

Somebody said that? I must have completely missed it.

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 12:58 AM
I guess no one learned their lesson from this time last year, when everyone said that coaching alone would result in at least 7-8 wins - and that Pendergast would be a huge improvement over Gunther.

Those people were fucking stupid.

But I'll need proof before proclaiming that Weis and Crennel aren't upgrades over Solari and Gunther.

KCrockaholic
04-24-2010, 12:58 AM
Who hacked Dane's account? Seriously it's not funny anymore. I want to be pissed at him for being a dick to everyone.

notorious
04-24-2010, 12:59 AM
Who hacked Dane's account? Seriously it's not funny anymore. I want to be pissed at him for being a dick to everyone.

Are you feeling......empty?

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 12:59 AM
Who hacked Dane's account? Seriously it's not funny anymore. I want to be pissed at him for being a dick to everyone.

We swapped accounts. :D