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Chiefs=Good
04-23-2010, 11:26 PM
It was the start of the draft and i was nervous as hell. Okung fell into our laps and i was sure we were gonna take him FML. Then the clouds parted as Berry was shown talking on the phone. I have never been as happy and excited about a draft pick, I was jumping around the room thinking not only did we draft a fantastic player, but maybe, just maybe Pioli actually knew what he was doing..

Boy was i wrong..





To be honest im probably not as pissed of with the draft as some, but im still left scratching my head over a few of the day 2 moves.

IMO we had the chance for the best draft in chiefs history and yet we came away with maybe a solid C+ at best..

Clausen, a guy that you reportedly were considering at 5 drops into ur lap in the fucking 2nd round and you pass. Not only is he damn talented, showing all the traits of a franchise qb but he also played in the EXACT same offense that our new OC runs.. Seriously how that isnt a no brainer stuns me..

I do think McCluster may prove some wrong and basically act as a poor mans spiller, but the Arenas pick seriously pisses me off, especially after just taking McCluster.


Why Pioli thought that hes a better pick then some of the other players on the board i will never know.

Picking up Asamoah was a reasonable pick, as i think hes perfectly suited to our finesse scheme, but to pick Moeaki and not only that but trade up for him? :cuss: that is just plain idiotic. Seriously what made them think they had to trade up for a guy that most probably had rated as the the forth best TE left on the board? Not only was it a reach, but this is a guy whos been plagued by the injury bug his entire career... :shake:


In conclusion Pioli better hope these guys produce immediately or hes going to lose the last thread of faith i have in this team..




We also better have a fucking dominant return game....

HotRoute
04-23-2010, 11:32 PM
still a lot of talent out there

Chiefs=Good
04-23-2010, 11:34 PM
still a lot of talent out there

I say trade up and draft Cam Thomas..

FAX
04-24-2010, 10:40 AM
As the shock abates and analytical thinking replaces choleric, boundless rage, I'm warming up to our draft.

Though the size of a penny, McCluster (sp?) has roadrunner speed. If Weis can figure out how to get him the ball in space, fireworks should result. Arenas has potential to help us in the nickle and appears to know how to castrate quarterbacks on the blitz. The TE guy is a puzzle, to be sure. With an injury history like his, you just hope and pray he can stay healthy ... that's an issue for the training staff as much as anything, probably.

After Berry, we picked up sleepers. Guys who are assumably dependable role players and we needed some of those. Not an exciting draft, but perhaps a better one than I originally thought. Besides, if I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times; "There's always next year."

FAX

boogblaster
04-24-2010, 10:44 AM
As the shock abates and analytical thinking replaces choleric, boundless rage, I'm warming up to our draft.

Though the size of a penny, McCluster (sp?) has roadrunner speed. If Weis can figure out how to get him the ball in space, fireworks should result. Arenas has potential to help us in the nickle and appears to know how to castrate quarterbacks on the blitz. The TE guy is a puzzle, to be sure. With an injury history like his, you just hope and pray he can stay healthy ... that's an issue for the training staff as much as anything, probably.

After Berry, we picked up sleepers. Guys who are assumably dependable role players and we needed some of those. Not an exciting draft, but perhaps a better one than I originally thought. Besides, if I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times; "There's always next year."

FAX

Yes Mr FAX there is always next year .. Don't know how many years Ive got on earth hopefully Ill live to see us be respectable again ...

Chiefs=Good
04-24-2010, 10:50 AM
some more thoughts on the draft:


:facepalm:

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 10:52 AM
After Berry, we picked up sleepers. Guys who are assumably dependable role players and we needed some of those.

We do.

But we need foundational players more.

mcaj22
04-24-2010, 10:53 AM
I really like that Asamoah pick the most besides the Berry pick. He seems like a pissed off player that will work hard. With that said if he comes in a competes at a high level than expected, and they have to justify starting him... do we see a guy like Brian Waters being traded/cut like this years Benard Pollard? I mean, I do think we might see some surprises in terms of the chopping block this year...rightfully so.

kcfan82
04-24-2010, 10:55 AM
In conclusion Pioli better hope these guys produce immediately or hes going to be sent packing out of this city

Fixed your sentence

kcfan82
04-24-2010, 10:56 AM
I say trade up and draft Cam Thomas..

I say we trade up and draft another safety, as long as he is a nice guy that's all that matters.

big nasty kcnut
04-24-2010, 10:57 AM
I think we had a hell of a good draft we got some needs players. Also we we had one reach pick which was the te one but the other were good. Now get a big name still there and we be good.

mcaj22
04-24-2010, 10:58 AM
What I got out of the draft today is by the Chiefs taking 19 defensive backs, that must mean that

A) Donald Washington was a wasted pick last season

and

B) Dajuan Morgan sucks.

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 10:59 AM
All I can say is thank god we drafted Berry.

KCDC
04-24-2010, 11:00 AM
Surprised no Center taken. Maybe they will entertain trying out Waters there. With the addition of two good guards, one has to wonder what that portends. Who will be RT? Do we *really* think Rudy and the ancient Casey are solutions at center?

We still need an ILB badly. I was hoping we'd get the guy from the Raiders, but the Jags got him. We might need to make a trade to get a legitmate ILB, unless they think there is a wealth of them to get in free agency after the draft.

Ebolapox
04-24-2010, 11:00 AM
I'm sick of saying 'maybe next year.' fuck this franchise.

RJ
04-24-2010, 11:01 AM
As the shock abates and analytical thinking replaces choleric, boundless rage, I'm warming up to our draft.

Though the size of a penny, McCluster (sp?) has roadrunner speed. If Weis can figure out how to get him the ball in space, fireworks should result. Arenas has potential to help us in the nickle and appears to know how to castrate quarterbacks on the blitz. The TE guy is a puzzle, to be sure. With an injury history like his, you just hope and pray he can stay healthy ... that's an issue for the training staff as much as anything, probably.

After Berry, we picked up sleepers. Guys who are assumably dependable role players and we needed some of those. Not an exciting draft, but perhaps a better one than I originally thought. Besides, if I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times; "There's always next year."

FAX



Occasional choleric, boundless rage is good for a man's digestive system. If you don't have some now and again your intestines will get all tangled up. Chiefs fans are known for their healthy intestines. Mine are already looking forward to next year's draft.

Mr_Tomahawk
04-24-2010, 11:01 AM
I'm sick of saying 'maybe next year.' **** this franchise.

Take your sandy vag and cheer for another team...problem solved. Nobody is forcing you to support this team.

mcaj22
04-24-2010, 11:02 AM
Surprised no Center taken. Maybe they will entertain trying out Waters there. With the addition of two good guards, one has to wonder what that portends. Who will be RT? Do we *really* think Rudy and the ancient Casey are solutions at center?

We still need an ILB badly. I was hoping we'd get the guy from the Raiders, but the Jags got him. We might need to make a trade to get a legitmate ILB, unless they think there is a wealth of them to get in free agency after the draft.

It's sad to say but I really think the Chiefs brass are fine and content with guys like Demarrio Williams because he is that "smart, nice, guy." So I guess we are going into the season with an ILB that gets all his starts from jumping on the pile after the defense gives up 6 yards a carry

RJ
04-24-2010, 11:03 AM
What I got out of the draft today is by the Chiefs taking 19 defensive backs, that must mean that

A) Donald Washington was a wasted pick last season

and

B) Dajuan Morgan sucks.


On a positive note - seriously - that might be a sign that Pioli is willing to recognize his mistakes, cut bait and move on.

I'll root for that.

kcfan82
04-24-2010, 11:05 AM
Punt returner was also a huge need considering we're not going to be able to make a team punt all year.

I guess noone in the front office noticed that a RB from Clevland put up 300 yards on us last year.

BigChiefFan
04-24-2010, 11:06 AM
Short of trading for Ngata, Demeco Ryans and Brian Cushing, our defense will still be shit.

spanky 52
04-24-2010, 11:08 AM
Not taking a developmental center baffles me. Maybe Harris or Asamoah can play there, I don't know. Guess we still have Rudy. As far as McCluster and Arenas, they'll get plenty of work returning kick off's. They may all develop into good players but Chief fans better get used to drafting in the top ten for the next couple of years. Sorry if I sound kind of depressed right now but I am.

cabletech94
04-24-2010, 11:14 AM
Punt returner was also a huge need considering we're not going to be able to make a team punt all year.

I guess noone in the front office noticed that a RB from Clevland put up 300 yards on us last year.

Not trying to be a dick here man, but don't forget that dorsey missed this game with an injury. Dude does best against the run. He plays, might not've been a 300 yarder.
I know coulda, woulda, shoulda.

I wish it was Septemba already!!!!!

kcfan82
04-24-2010, 11:16 AM
Not trying to be a dick here man, but don't forget that dorsey missed this game with an injury. Dude does best against the run. He plays, might not've been a 300 yarder.
I know coulda, woulda, shoulda.

I wish it was Septemba already!!!!!

This draft will look a whole lot better to me if Dorsey and Jackson play up to their draft spots this year.

ChiefaRoo
04-24-2010, 11:23 AM
This draft will look a whole lot better to me if Dorsey and Jackson play up to their draft spots this year.

This. As I said yesterday even if KC took a LB and NT in the second if Dorsey and Jackson don't improve it doesn't matter.

Chiefnj2
04-24-2010, 11:26 AM
No developmental center, ILB, NT or full time receiver?

RedThat
04-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Overall, I think this was a solid draft for the Chiefs. I share my disappointments here with others for not drafting enough talent to address the front 7. But I don't want to get caught up in that misery of constantly thinking about it. Id like to shift my thoughts and focus more towards the overall team. Overall as a team I think the Chiefs definately improved. Im coming to accept the reality that not all of our holes are going to be addressed in one night. But the players they drafted are going to contribute and help this team in some form or fashion. Which is always a good thing.

I think the Chiefs just got a lot faster as a team, more mature by adding high charactered guys. And to top it off, the guys they've added have playmaking ability and we all know this team lacked playmakers from the very start. I like what they did in drafting guys out of the SEC. That's where good talent lies and it's just good to see them do something different from the past. Pioli seems to emphasize a lot on character which is great. Championship teams have tons of those guys and obviously we needed more. But it will benefit the team in a way where I thought they could use a change in culture there. Love the fact he hired Crennel and Weis, and some solid assistants to go along with that. We have a lot of guys on this team right now that have underachieved and not lived up to expectations yet. I think good coaching will be the cause for better player development. I consider that just as important as drafting.

*It's obvious Scott Pioli has a plan in place. It's a solid one and Im glad he is sticking with it.

mcaj22
04-24-2010, 11:27 AM
Isn't the logical argument here though that Dorsey and Jackson can improve tenfold if we have an actual real 3-4 NT that can command a double team, you know like how every other 3-4 defense in the NFL has Pro Bowl or near pro bowl type NT talent....

tmax63
04-24-2010, 11:29 AM
let's see now, the defense sucked bawwllllls last year. They got a great safety, another safety, another corner, and a olb and a new d-coordinator.
Special teams sucked bawwlllllls last year. They got a couple of returners, one helps on defense and the other helps on offense as well.
Offense was horrible until JC emerged. They got a OG to help the line, a tight end and a back/returner/slot and an OC as well.
Did they solve all the problems? No. Too many problems for 1 offseason to fix. Steps in the right direction, I think so.
A far as Claussen goes, they had multiple chances to get him and didn't. I don't think it's an indictment of Pioli as much as CW saying he wasn't worth as much as some of the experts here seem to think he was. I'll go with CW on this one.

Ebolapox
04-24-2010, 11:42 AM
Take your sandy vag and cheer for another team...problem solved. Nobody is forcing you to support this team.

I wasn't going to respond to this now, as I'm mentally worn out. it's already been a shitty week (LONG before the draft), and I have shit to do this afternoon. but I have to fucking respond to this.

FUCK you. nowhere have I ever said I'm going to root for another franchise.

let me tell you a little story. my great grandfather was louis gier, the guy who ran the chevrolet plant in kansas city during the 40's through the early 70's (when he retired/the plant closed down). he was one of a group of guys who was on the team that recruited lamar hunt to move the chiefs to kansas city. my dad, before he was ten years old, had sat in the owner's box because of who his grandpa was in relation to the chiefs. the chiefs are in my fucking blood, asshole. I was a chiefs fan from the second I first made congnizant thoughts (which I'm not sure you can do in the first place, but that's another matter entirely). nowhere have I EVER said I'm anywhere close to packing up shop and leaving.

the issue is this: when you care for a team as passionately as I do (and a lot of the other 'negative' people), it's bound to stir up strong emotions. you remember the playoff loss to the colts in 1995? I literally fucking cried. I was twelve years old. I was down for months after that. the 1997 loss to the cheating scum of mile high? I didn't leave my bedroom other than for meals and school for a month straight. the chiefs have given me extreme highs and extreme lows.

up to this point, they've given me everything except that ultimate of sports payoffs: a super bowl victory. in my 23 years of fandom, we've won exactly three playoff games and advanced to the championship game exactly once. is it too much to ask for a competitive team? that's the issue here: while I appreciate that there are 100 ways to skin a cat, I'd like to see results. I don't see that happening with fucking cassel. I'll eat my words faster than you could imagine if he turns into anything worth a damn. fuck, I've wanted a franchise qb in the worst way since montana retired. I've pined for, at different times, brady quinn, byron leftwich, joey harrington, jimmy clausen, matt stafford, mark sanchez and even david fucking klingler.

the point I'm making, I guess, is FUCK you. sports fans aren't fucking robots (although 'true fans' seem to be, which you apparently are a member of). they're allowed to question the leadership. fuck, when you've not won a super bowl in 40 years, how could you NOT be fucking pissed at this team?

so go ahead, drone, keep going along with the party line. I'm allowed to be as pissed as I want to--I've put my time in. it's about fucking time they pay me back for all the shit I've gone through as a chiefs fan over the years (fuck, I'll take a playoff win. that's all I ask anymore).

and let's not get it twisted: my main message? FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE.

KC Jones
04-24-2010, 11:55 AM
let's see now, the defense sucked bawwllllls last year. They got a great safety, another safety, another corner, and a olb and a new d-coordinator.
Special teams sucked bawwlllllls last year. They got a couple of returners, one helps on defense and the other helps on offense as well.
Offense was horrible until JC emerged. They got a OG to help the line, a tight end and a back/returner/slot and an OC as well.
Did they solve all the problems? No. Too many problems for 1 offseason to fix. Steps in the right direction, I think so.
A far as Claussen goes, they had multiple chances to get him and didn't. I don't think it's an indictment of Pioli as much as CW saying he wasn't worth as much as some of the experts here seem to think he was. I'll go with CW on this one.

QFT

There are just too many holes on this team to think that you were going to fix all of them. I have my doubts about some of the pics, but I do think the team got significantly better. We went in the to draft needing (in no particular order): WR, TE, OG, OT, NT, ILB, OLB, PR/KR, S, + bodies for special teams roles.

I'm hopeful that we now have long term fills at S, TE, KR/PR & OG.

NT: Ron Edwards is serviceable and maybe Shaun Smith can be serviceable in the rotation.

ILB: hopeful DJ can take this over and be a force here, but next to him?

OLB: Hali is a stud, but after that the drop is steep. Maybe Sheffield will surprise or Studebaker will have a miraculous offseason.

OT: eek!

WR: Chambers & Bowe, + McCluster in the slot. Not that good, but should be serviceable.

Pickup a serviceable RT and ILB in free agency (or have a miracle offseason improvement), and this team is maybe all the way up to average. Unfortunately Weigmann, Waters, Edwards, Chambers are all getting long in the tooth and shouldn't be counted on to man their spots for long.

d'oh! I momentarily fogot about Lilja signing, so OG wasn't as big a need as I thought.

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 12:06 PM
Overall, I think this was a solid draft for the Chiefs. I share my disappointments here with others for not drafting enough talent to address the front 7. But I don't want to get caught up in that misery of constantly thinking about it. Id like to shift my thoughts and focus more towards the overall team. Overall as a team I think the Chiefs definately improved. Im coming to accept the reality that not all of our holes are going to be addressed in one night. But the players they drafted are going to contribute and help this team in some form or fashion. Which is always a good thing.

I think the Chiefs just got a lot faster as a team, more mature by adding high charactered guys. And to top it off, the guys they've added have playmaking ability and we all know this team lacked playmakers from the very start. I like what they did in drafting guys out of the SEC. That's where good talent lies and it's just good to see them do something different from the past. Pioli seems to emphasize a lot on character which is great. Championship teams have tons of those guys and obviously we needed more. But it will benefit the team in a way where I thought they could use a change in culture there. Love the fact he hired Crennel and Weis, and some solid assistants to go along with that. We have a lot of guys on this team right now that have underachieved and not lived up to expectations yet. I think good coaching will be the cause for better player development. I consider that just as important as drafting.

*It's obvious Scott Pioli has a plan in place. It's a solid one and Im glad he is sticking with it.

:thumb:

RJ
04-24-2010, 12:12 PM
:thumb:


Have I mentioned how much I love your avatar?

King_Chief_Fan
04-24-2010, 12:13 PM
On a positive note - seriously - that might be a sign that Pioli is willing to recognize his mistakes, cut bait and move on.

I'll root for that.

we shall see.......there is still the Cassel thing in question. He chose not to create a controversy with 2 multiple chances to pick Clausen. Either Clausen isnt that good or Clausen is..........Pioli wasn't going to risk that so he could admit to another mistake.
I hope I am dead wrong about Cassel.

Sanka
04-24-2010, 12:14 PM
Here are my thoughts, Pioli shit the bed yet again. He gets no credit for drafting Berry though.

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 12:15 PM
Have I mentioned how much I love your avatar?

I think you have. :thumb:

Of course, I get a lot of compliments on it. But, I also get the unfortunate few that wish to have it removed.

TRR
04-24-2010, 12:28 PM
The Chiefs draft is a bit of a gamble. If McCluster can truly transition all of his ability into the slot, it will be a solid pick. He could also get some carries in different situations as well. Is Tate, etc a better more natural fit??

I love Javier Arenas. He solves the return issue and he is an instant upgrade at nickel. Anyone that has watched Brandon Carr or Maurice Leggett can feel good about our CB situation.
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ChiefaRoo
04-24-2010, 12:29 PM
I think you have. :thumb:

Of course, I get a lot of compliments on it. But, I also get the unfortunate few that wish to have it removed.

Phags.

WarHammerRami
04-24-2010, 12:34 PM
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!.......................

KCBOSS1
04-24-2010, 12:44 PM
I wasn't going to respond to this now, as I'm mentally worn out. it's already been a shitty week (LONG before the draft), and I have shit to do this afternoon. but I have to ****ing respond to this.

**** you. nowhere have I ever said I'm going to root for another franchise.

let me tell you a little story. my great grandfather was louis gier, the guy who ran the chevrolet plant in kansas city during the 40's through the early 70's (when he retired/the plant closed down). he was one of a group of guys who was on the team that recruited lamar hunt to move the chiefs to kansas city. my dad, before he was ten years old, had sat in the owner's box because of who his grandpa was in relation to the chiefs. the chiefs are in my ****ing blood, asshole. I was a chiefs fan from the second I first made congnizant thoughts (which I'm not sure you can do in the first place, but that's another matter entirely). nowhere have I EVER said I'm anywhere close to packing up shop and leaving.

the issue is this: when you care for a team as passionately as I do (and a lot of the other 'negative' people), it's bound to stir up strong emotions. you remember the playoff loss to the colts in 1995? I literally ****ing cried. I was twelve years old. I was down for months after that. the 1997 loss to the cheating scum of mile high? I didn't leave my bedroom other than for meals and school for a month straight. the chiefs have given me extreme highs and extreme lows.

up to this point, they've given me everything except that ultimate of sports payoffs: a super bowl victory. in my 23 years of fandom, we've won exactly three playoff games and advanced to the championship game exactly once. is it too much to ask for a competitive team? that's the issue here: while I appreciate that there are 100 ways to skin a cat, I'd like to see results. I don't see that happening with ****ing cassel. I'll eat my words faster than you could imagine if he turns into anything worth a damn. ****, I've wanted a franchise qb in the worst way since montana retired. I've pined for, at different times, brady quinn, byron leftwich, joey harrington, jimmy clausen, matt stafford, mark sanchez and even david ****ing klingler.

the point I'm making, I guess, is **** you. sports fans aren't ****ing robots (although 'true fans' seem to be, which you apparently are a member of). they're allowed to question the leadership. ****, when you've not won a super bowl in 40 years, how could you NOT be ****ing pissed at this team?

so go ahead, drone, keep going along with the party line. I'm allowed to be as pissed as I want to--I've put my time in. it's about ****ing time they pay me back for all the shit I've gone through as a chiefs fan over the years (****, I'll take a playoff win. that's all I ask anymore).

and let's not get it twisted: my main message? **** YOU, ASSHOLE.



You sure are slinging the asterisks.... I think you should wash your keyboard with soap. :shake:

KurtCobain
04-24-2010, 12:45 PM
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!.......................

..It fell a while ago.

You fucking dumbass. Go fuck a horse.

Ebolapox
04-24-2010, 01:39 PM
You sure are slinging the asterisks.... I think you should wash your keyboard with soap. :shake:

well I sincerely fucking hope I haven't fucking hurt your delicate fucking sensibilities.

and my condolences on your son being a chiefs fan. whole lot of misery and pain down that path.

Hog Farmer
04-24-2010, 02:14 PM
Punt returner was also a huge need considering we're not going to be able to make a team punt all year.

I guess noone in the front office noticed that a RB from Clevland put up 300 yards on us last year.

One thing to consider is Dorsey and Jackson will be more matured this year AND Crennel will make a world of difference. Crennell will get the most out of Derrick Johnson. We now have a play making secondary. Our D fence will make great strides this year.

crazycoffey
04-24-2010, 02:27 PM
One thing to consider is Dorsey and Jackson will be more matured this year AND Crennel will make a world of difference. Crennell will get the most out of Derrick Johnson. We now have a play making secondary. Our D fence will make great strides this year.


fuckin A cotton