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Dicky McElephant
04-24-2010, 12:16 PM
www.rotoworld.com

Raiders acquired Jason Campbell from the Redskins in exchange for an undisclosed late-round pick.

Per Redskins beat writer Rick Maese, Campbell already has a deal worked out with Al Davis that will pay him $3.14 million this year and $4.5 million in 2011. Campbell may have to "earn" the job by beating out JaMarcus Russell, but it won't be much of a competition. Campbell is a much better passer than either Russell or Bruce Gradkowski, so Zach Miller and Chaz Schilens are now prime candidates for breakout seasons. Upgrade Darren McFadden and Michael Bush as well, as defenses won't be able to key on the running

I didn't see it on the first two pages.

BigChiefFan
04-24-2010, 12:19 PM
I saw that on ESPN. Good move by them.

KCrockaholic
04-24-2010, 12:19 PM
They won't improve much from this. I don't care. They will still be Oakland, but they will be the 7-9 Raiders.

Mr. Laz
04-24-2010, 12:19 PM
solid move by oakland ... he's an upgrade

mcaj22
04-24-2010, 12:19 PM
They won't improve much from this. I don't care. They will still be Oakland, but they will be the 7-9 Raiders.

7-9 gets you 2nd place in the AFC West....

Woodrow Call
04-24-2010, 12:20 PM
They've had a great weekend.
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OleMissCub
04-24-2010, 12:20 PM
bless his heart

Hays
04-24-2010, 12:20 PM
wow guess russell will be bench fodder, i would cut him instead of paying him that contract

Von Dumbass
04-24-2010, 12:21 PM
7-9 gets you 2nd place in the AFC West....

Not when Denver has the 8th easiest schedule. Denver will win at least 10 games this year.

Mr_Tomahawk
04-24-2010, 12:23 PM
Not when Denver has the 8th easiest schedule. Denver will win at least 10 games this year.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

BigChiefFan
04-24-2010, 12:23 PM
solid move by oakland ... he's an upgrade

Definitely because Russell may be the worst QB in the NFL.

KCChiefsFan88
04-24-2010, 12:24 PM
Campbell isn't a bad QB... he was in a shit offense in Washington the past few years.

To get him for a late round draft pick is a steal.

Hays
04-24-2010, 12:24 PM
Definitely because Russell may be the worst QB in the NFL.

there is no may be to it
he is the worst qb in the nfl

mcaj22
04-24-2010, 12:25 PM
Not when Denver has the 8th easiest schedule. Denver will win at least 10 games this year.



LOL HOLY SHIT. By far one the funniest things I've read on here in awhile.

cabletech94
04-24-2010, 12:25 PM
Not when Denver has the 8th easiest schedule. Denver will win at least 10 games this year.

sweet, here we go again. ROFL

Chiefs=Good
04-24-2010, 12:26 PM
Not when Denver has the 8th easiest schedule. Denver will win at least 10 games this year.

the last prediction i remember u making was something about the broncos making the playoffs last year.... LOL

KCrockaholic
04-24-2010, 12:26 PM
Not when Denver has the 8th easiest schedule. Denver will win at least 10 games this year.

You are so fucking stupid. I don't know how you make it through life everyday without dying.

Mr. Laz
04-24-2010, 12:27 PM
Definitely because Russell may be the worst QB in the NFL.
it looks like we enter the season as the projected bottom feeder of the AFC West this year. :(

San diego
Faiders
donks
Chiefs

although i guess we could jump the donks ... they had a pretty crappy offseason.

mcaj22
04-24-2010, 12:28 PM
Donks are definitely the front running candidate for the cellar this year

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:29 PM
A 4th rounder in 2012.

Jesus, did someone lock Grandpa Al in a closet this weekend?

They are making some solid moves.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 12:29 PM
Great move by Oakland.

4th rounder for a starting QB? And we gave up the same for an injury-prone TE.

KCChiefsFan88
04-24-2010, 12:30 PM
Raiders giving up a 4th round pick in 2012

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 12:35 PM
damn, good move

he still has potential and you aren't locked into him

Ugly Duck
04-24-2010, 12:36 PM
I'll bet the Raider board is going batsh!t right now.... too bad I'm booted off. I quit paying them their $7.50/mo so I'm not allowed on during the draft or during games. You guyz... you're all I have.....

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 12:37 PM
Cassel for a 2nd

or

Campbell for a 4th


?

Mr. Laz
04-24-2010, 12:38 PM
I'll bet the Raider board is going batsh!t right now.... too bad I'm booted off. I quit paying them their $7.50/mo so I'm not allowed on during the draft or during games. You guyz... you're all I have.....http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-kitten-hug.jpg

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:40 PM
Cassel for a 2nd

or

Campbell for a 4th


?

Campbell was the 15th rated passer last year with a lessor OL, running game and WR's than Cassel.

Frankie
04-24-2010, 12:41 PM
A 4th rounder in 2012.

Jesus, did someone lock Grandpa Al in a closet this weekend?

I never figured this out. Is it after dark or after midnight that they come out of their caskets? Must be the latter. By then draft is done.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 12:41 PM
$7.64M vs. $63M.

Frankie
04-24-2010, 12:44 PM
This DOES make them dangerous. I think they'll be a contender BEFORE we ever will be. Hope to God I'm wrong.

R8RFAN
04-24-2010, 12:45 PM
Definitely because Russell may be the worst QB in the NFL.

Dude is easily the worst in the NFL, no heart, no desire and zero accuracy... I know DHB sucked and could not catch a pass worth a shit but when you have QB that you never know where he is gonna put the ball I guess that makes it harder... I really like the trade

KC and Oak will fight for 2nd this yr in the West

58kcfan89
04-24-2010, 12:50 PM
A 4th rounder in 2012.

Jesus, did someone lock Grandpa Al in a closet this weekend?

They are making some solid moves.

This. Campbell's not the saviour of that team, but he's obviously an upgrade. I don't think Oakland's a gimme for the rest of the league now....

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 12:51 PM
Campbell was the 15th rated passer last year with a lessor OL, running game and WR's than Cassel.

I'll give you the line and the RBs, but no way did Cassel have receivers like in Washington. Cooley and Santana Moss are better than anything we have.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2010, 12:54 PM
I'll give you the line and the RBs, but no way did Cassel have receivers like in Washington. Cooley and Santana Moss are better than anything we have.

Chris Cooley missed over half of the season, and Santana Moss isn't any better at this point in his career than a full season of Bowe or Chambers.

58kcfan89
04-24-2010, 01:00 PM
Chris Cooley missed over half of the season, and Santana Moss isn't any better at this point in his career than a full season of Bowe or Chambers.

Fred Davis is much better than any of our TEs, though.

milkman
04-24-2010, 01:03 PM
Dude is easily the worst in the NFL, no heart, no desire and zero accuracy... I know DHB sucked and could not catch a pass worth a shit but when you have QB that you never know where he is gonna put the ball I guess that makes it harder... I really like the trade

KC and Oak will fight for 2nd this yr in the West

Did the Chiefs trade for a competent QB?

big nasty kcnut
04-24-2010, 01:05 PM
Frankie your wrong i think he wasn't a good qb many times he didn't read the defense correctly. He going to be bad in a ryan leaf type of way.

R8RFAN
04-24-2010, 01:10 PM
Did the Chiefs trade for a competent QB?

Cassell is also not the savior for the Chiefs but he is far better than Russell and makes the most of what he has to work with..

You could be in far worse shape

milkman
04-24-2010, 01:12 PM
Cassell is also not the savior for the Chiefs but he is far better than Russell and makes the most of what he has to work with..

You could be in far worse shape

If you're trying to build a house, and the most you have to work with is a hammer, a piece of cloth, and a nail, you ain't getting that house built.

Der Flöprer
04-24-2010, 01:14 PM
If you're trying to build a house, and the most you have to work with is a hammer, a piece of cloth, and a nail, you ain't getting that house built.

True but at least people won't know how small your penis is.

I'M LOOKING AT YOU SCOTT PIOLI!!!!

:p

milkman
04-24-2010, 01:15 PM
True but at least people won't know how small your penis is.

I'M LOOKING AT YOU SCOTT PIOLI!!!!

:p

I'm not sure I'd throw that smiley in a post that I say something about penis.

Der Flöprer
04-24-2010, 01:16 PM
I'm not sure I'd throw that smiley in a post that I say something about penis.

I clearly didn't think that through.

Deberg_1990
04-24-2010, 01:19 PM
Hes the Raiders next Vince Evans!

milkman
04-24-2010, 01:19 PM
I clearly didn't think that through.

:)

JD10367
04-24-2010, 01:20 PM
Oh, look, another hijscking into a Cassel-bashing thread in around 40 posts. Shocking.

Back on topic... Getting Campbell was a great move by Oakland. He's been improving steadily and actually gives them--amazingly!--a QB to play the QB position.

This definitely opens up the AFC West.*

*The top three positions, at least. Denver's gonna have a stranglehold on that last spot, LOL...

L.A. Chieffan
04-24-2010, 01:20 PM
this is very concerning... the raiders actually made a decent move

L.A. Chieffan
04-24-2010, 01:21 PM
u think we could trade cassel and a 4th for clausen?

Deberg_1990
04-24-2010, 01:21 PM
He's been improving steadily and actually gives them--amazingly!--a QB to play the QB position.



If that were true, hes still be in Washington and they woudl have never traded for Mcnabb.

JD10367
04-24-2010, 01:26 PM
If that were true, hes still be in Washington and they woudl have never traded for Mcnabb.

2006: 53% completed, 1297 yards, 10 TDs, 6 INTs, 76.5 QB rating.
2007: 60% completed, 2700 yards, 12 TDs 11 INTs, 77.6 QB rating.
2008: 62% completed, 3245 yards, 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 QB rating.
2009: 64.5% completed, 3618 yards, 20 TDs, 15 INTs, 86.4 QB rating.

R8RFAN
04-24-2010, 01:27 PM
If that were true, hes still be in Washington and they woudl have never traded for Mcnabb.

actually playing in the NFL is more about fitting within a teams style, all starters in the NFL are very capable of being very productive with the right support staff around him... Will the Raiders be able to do that?

We will see

JD10367
04-24-2010, 01:28 PM
So, his completion %, yardage, TDs, and QB rating have gone up every year.

But he's not improving steadily? :shrug:

He's just been stuck in the crazy anonymity that is the Washington organization, where more time is spent analyzing how stupidly Snyder is spending his money.

KurtCobain
04-24-2010, 01:30 PM
I think they could push SD for the west.


And knowmo, 10 games? You'd better hope Tebow looks shitty so new management will take Locker with that No 1 overall pick next year.

Deberg_1990
04-24-2010, 01:33 PM
So, his completion %, yardage, TDs, and QB rating have gone up every year.

But he's not improving steadily? :shrug:

He's just been stuck in the crazy anonymity that is the Washington organization, where more time is spent analyzing how stupidly Snyder is spending his money.

Stats are fine, but they never tell the complete story.

L.A. Chieffan
04-24-2010, 01:35 PM
technically the stats do a poor job on campbell. hes been one of the most underrated QBs past couple of years.

that doesnt mean hes gonna light it up on the raiders, cuz c'mon its the raiders.

Deberg_1990
04-24-2010, 01:39 PM
technically the stats do a poor job on campbell. hes been one of the most underrated QBs past couple of years.

that doesnt mean hes gonna light it up on the raiders, cuz c'mon its the raiders.

Hes an ok QB. Not bad, but nothing truly special either.

notorious
04-24-2010, 01:45 PM
Raiders have talent, and Campbell can hit open receivers, unlike Jafatfuck.


They appear to be better the KC or the Donks this year. Hopefully I am incorrect about the KC part, our coaching is the X-Factor.

StcChief
04-24-2010, 02:05 PM
Denver the give away your picks for 'TeBlow'....how stupid was that. 2nd Coming of Elway is an illusive futile pursuit.

notorious
04-24-2010, 02:07 PM
Denver the give away your picks for 'TeBlow'....how stupid was that. 2nd Coming of Elway is an illusive futile pursuit.

Their Blessing has turned into a Curse.



They need to learn to NOT compare the next player/players to their champ teams. It will never happen the same way again (except for the greased jersey part).

Flachief58
04-24-2010, 02:07 PM
ROFL ROFL dude, ease up on the :bong: you may be able to think clearer. The donkeys will be lucky to win 8. 2 losses each are coming your way from the :arrow: and chargers another by the faiders. There's 5 losses already. There may be some divine intervention with t-bone on the team, buts that's only good for 1 win maybeNot when Denver has the 8th easiest schedule. Denver will win at least 10 games this year.

R8RFAN
04-24-2010, 02:10 PM
ROFL ROFL dude, ease up on the :bong: you may be able to think clearer. The donkeys will be lucky to win 8. 2 losses each are coming your way from the :arrow: and chargers another by the faiders. There's 5 losses already. There may be some divine intervention with t-bone on the team, buts that's only good for 1 win maybe

I don't give them much credit too often lately but if the Raiders can beat the hell out of them with jameatloaf, why would they not be able to beat them twice with Campbell?

KurtCobain
04-24-2010, 02:11 PM
So if fatass gets cut, who's gonna pick him up?

Lanning
04-24-2010, 02:11 PM
Interesting move to say the least. Anybody know what Washington got in return?

Campbell will help a lot, now I don't think he is going to be a Rich Gannon by any stretch of the imagination but he is an upgrade. The offense will be better and it looks like OAK defense is going to be pretty good as well with them getting McClain. I'm interested to see what happens with them in '10. My guess is they still find a way to screw everything up, they haven't won more than 5 games since '02 correct?

notorious
04-24-2010, 02:13 PM
who's gonna pick him up?

My guess is: A Tow-Truck

Flachief58
04-24-2010, 02:14 PM
As I said, devine intervention gets them 1 win, plus I hate the stinken faiders!

-King-
04-24-2010, 02:15 PM
Stats are fine, but they never tell the complete story.

Yeah they don't tell you that he has no WRs to throw to. They don't tell you that his O-line had different players for 6 consecutive weeks to start the season. They don't tell you that he had a fucking bingo caller as the O-coordinator. They don't tell you that Jim Zorn despite being the HC, had no control of the team at all. They don't tell you that 3 RBs were on IR by seasons end...etc


Stats don't tell all. But for Campbell to have those stats while having to deal with the chicken shit personell and players put around him...its nothing short of amazing.
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R8RFAN
04-24-2010, 02:17 PM
So if fatass gets cut, who's gonna pick him up?

maybe for the league minimum and not a dime more... he is lazy, has no desire to do anything but sit his dumbass on the bench with that stupid toboggan on when its 85 degrees outside.

I am just glad he totally sucks instead of showing a glimmer of potential, if that where the case, no way AL would have gave up on him...

Al must have been sedated and hog tied the past few days, I think the Raiders had a very decent draft

Chris Meck
04-24-2010, 02:18 PM
The Raiders started being dangerous as soon as they benched Russell. There's a shitload of talent there. Jason Campbell is tailor-made for the sort of passing game that The Raiders have always loved.

This is bad news. It's a perfect fit.

I'd bet they'll push for a play-off spot, if they avoid major injury. That's right, I said it. Hurts, too.

R8RFAN
04-24-2010, 02:20 PM
The Raiders started being dangerous as soon as they benched Russell. There's a shitload of talent there. Jason Campbell is tailor-made for the sort of passing game that The Raiders have always loved.

This is bad news. It's a perfect fit.

I'd bet they'll push for a play-off spot, if they avoid major injury. That's right, I said it. Hurts, too.

I just want them to be able to compete and not look like the total buffoons they have the past 7 years

It's embarrassing

Der Flöprer
04-24-2010, 02:22 PM
My guess is: A Tow-Truck

ROFL The guy in Mexico is already designing a bed for him.

notorious
04-24-2010, 02:24 PM
ROFL The guy in Mexico is already designing a bed for him.

FTW

ROFL












Seriously though, the guy in Mexico is one hell of a human-being.

Bane
04-24-2010, 02:25 PM
Not when Denver has the 8th easiest schedule. Denver will win at least 10 games this year.

You said 12 last year.Oh and AFCW champs.....ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Der Flöprer
04-24-2010, 02:27 PM
FTW

ROFL












Seriously though, the guy in Mexico is one hell of a human-being.


As a former FAT ass (and I mean FAT) I respect the hell out of that guy. He's trying.

Der Flöprer
04-24-2010, 02:29 PM
I found a picture of JaMarcus.

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 02:29 PM
The Raiders started being dangerous as soon as they benched Russell. There's a shitload of talent there. Jason Campbell is tailor-made for the sort of passing game that The Raiders have always loved.

This is bad news. It's a perfect fit.

I'd bet they'll push for a play-off spot, if they avoid major injury. That's right, I said it. Hurts, too.

So let me get this straight. Campbell was a disaster because of the owner, he's had a ton of different offenses, didn't have an oline and didn't really have much in terms of WR.

Please let me know where the Raiders have anything different than what he had in Washington. The Raiders constantly change signal callers too.

notorious
04-24-2010, 02:31 PM
I found a picture of JaMarcus.

Some people have nightmares about that situation.



That is a re-occuring daydream of Jasuckass.

Fritz88
04-24-2010, 02:38 PM
for a 4th in 2012!!!

I died a little

Deberg_1990
04-24-2010, 02:39 PM
Yeah they don't tell you that he has no WRs to throw to. They don't tell you that his O-line had different players for 6 consecutive weeks to start the season. They don't tell you that he had a ****ing bingo caller as the O-coordinator. They don't tell you that Jim Zorn despite being the HC, had no control of the team at all. They don't tell you that 3 RBs were on IR by seasons end...etc


Stats don't tell all. But for Campbell to have those stats while having to deal with the chicken shit personell and players put around him...its nothing short of amazing.
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So based on your theory then, hes going to another team, with a new HC and offense, a team with a recent poor history of success, and you expect him to do better??

Some players are what they. Its like how people keep expecting DJ to get better each year.

DJ's left nut
04-24-2010, 02:50 PM
And with that, KC now has the worst QB in the conference.

Very solid move by the Raiders. I actually like Campbell. He's not ever going to be a superstar, but he's certainly a solid NFL QB. With a new coordinator every single year of his career, he's just never gotten a real clean shot at it.

R8RFAN
04-24-2010, 02:55 PM
So based on your theory then, hes going to another team, with a new HC and offense, a team with a recent poor history of success, and you expect him to do better??

Some players are what they. Its like how people keep expecting DJ to get better each year.

Campbell lost his job with Washington when it traded for Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb. Campbell completed 64.5 percent of his passes last year for 3,618 yards, 20 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. In an amazing stat, Campbell has played for eight offensive coordinators in nine years since he first threw a pass at Auburn.

Russell, by comparison, completed 48.8 percent of his passes for 1,287 yards, three touchdowns and 11 interceptions. If he is cut, will another team give him a shot? Or will Ryan Leaf be able to turn over the crown as the biggest NFL bust of all-time?

(this is my friends post from another forum)

thurman merman
04-24-2010, 03:01 PM
Jason Campbell sucks.

FD
04-24-2010, 03:08 PM
Jason Campbell is good.

DenverDanChiefsFan
04-24-2010, 03:15 PM
And with that, KC now has the worst QB in the conference.

Very solid move by the Raiders. I actually like Campbell. He's not ever going to be a superstar, but he's certainly a solid NFL QB. With a new coordinator every single year of his career, he's just never gotten a real clean shot at it.They talked about that on NFLN when it was announced. In 10 years of college and pro he has had 8 different OC. Let's hope the trend continues with the faiders.

JD10367
04-24-2010, 03:27 PM
No one's saying Jason Campbell is prime rib. He might be a good sirloin. But Jamarcus Russell is a McDonald's hamburger that's been dropped on the floor and then wiped off and put back under the heatlamp.

Campbell = actual QB = much more dangerous Raiders

Over-Head
04-24-2010, 03:55 PM
wow guess russell will be bench fodder, i would cut him instead of paying him that contract
NOPE. not a fuggen chance. He's a 62 MILLION dollar bust plain and simple.
It's nice to see Al finally admit defeat and say "ya know what? THIS is what happens when you get wayyyyyyyy too much cash for no productivity.
Yes it's an expensive lesson, but looks good on the hump to be the highest paid "bench warmer" in the NFL.
Maybe, just MAYBE this will teach others a lesson.
Don't matter how good you thought you were, you can hope your $$$$ keeps you happy at night to let other people see "you" WISHING you were on the field, playing like a pro athleat should be.

I'd keep the ****en hump on the bench for teh rest of his contract, and let him work out on the practice squad as a reserve.
"Any" trade or market value he "had" would surly be gone.
Bad enough to be the Biggest bust of the decade as a #1 draft pick, now let him reap his rewards as the
"NFL's highest paid game watcher" ;)

Mr. Laz
04-24-2010, 03:57 PM
NOPE. not a fuggen chance. He's a 32 MILLION dollar bust plain and simple.
It's nice to see Al finally admit defeat and say "ya know what? THIS is what happens when you get wayyyyyyyy too much cash for no productivity.
Yes it's an expensive lesson, but looks good on the hump to be the highest paid "bench warmer" in the NFL.
Maybe, just MAYBE this will teach others a lesson.
Don't matter how good you thought you were, you can hope your $$$$ keeps you happy at night to let other people see "you" WISHING you were on the field, playing like a pro athleat should be.

I'd keep the fucken hump on the bench for teh rest of his contract, and let him work out on the practice squad as a reserve.
"Any" trade or market value he "had" would surly be gone.
Bad enough to be the Biggest bust of the decade as a #1 draft pick, now let him reap his rewards as the
"NFL's highest paid game watcher" ;)

i don't think Russell cares ... being on the bench just means he won't have to pay attention to anything.

hold onto him for injury insurance throughout TC and PS then cut him.

i doubt he ever plays again ... he got paid.

Over-Head
04-24-2010, 03:58 PM
I'll bet the Raider board is going batsh!t right now.... too bad I'm booted off. I quit paying them their $7.50/mo so I'm not allowed on during the draft or during games. You guyz... you're all I have.....
Ya gots me big guy!! ;)
All we need is a "little" protection up front, and wammo...playoffs here we come :thumb:

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 04:02 PM
Not when Denver has the 8th easiest schedule. Denver will win at least 10 games this year.

They have the same schedule, except for 2 games which Denver has harder games...Not sure where you got this idea from...

Over-Head
04-24-2010, 04:02 PM
So if fatass gets cut, who's gonna pick him up?
Someone with a LARGE forklift :rolleyes:

Over-Head
04-24-2010, 04:08 PM
i don't think Russell cares ... being on the bench just means he won't have to pay attention to anything.

hold onto him for injury insurance throughout TC and PS then cut him.

i doubt he ever plays again ... he got paid.
What? and have a re-peat of Wade Wilson?????
Park the prick and be done with him, then call the Bills and ask them to trade their water boy, and a 44th round pick for the chump

Count Alex's Losses
04-24-2010, 04:47 PM
This could easily knock a couple wins off our schedule.

Now 7-9 is starting to look like 5-11.

Dave Lane
04-24-2010, 05:03 PM
Cassel for a 2nd

or

Campbell for a 4th


?

I'll take Cassel for a 2nd please. Campbell is awful. At least in the games of his i have seen he was facepalm bad.

Deberg_1990
04-24-2010, 05:24 PM
Didnt the Chiefs win their first game last year against the Invincible Jason Campbell at QB who couldnt score a TD against the invincible 2009 KC Chiefs defense?

R8RFAN
04-24-2010, 05:26 PM
I'll take Cassel for a 2nd please. Campbell is awful. At least in the games of his i have seen he was facepalm bad.


Campbell started 52 games for Washington since being a first-round pick in 2005. He has thrown for 55 touchdowns, 38 interceptions and has a passer rating of 82.3 in his career.

they didn't win much there but damn, those are pretty decent numbers on a sucky team, put those numbers on the Raiders sucky team and we are talking playoffs

Ugly Duck
04-24-2010, 05:29 PM
This is the breakout year for whatever AFCW Suck team is going to break out. KC, Oak & Denver combined will only play 17 games against teams with a 2009 winning record. Oh sure, all 3 suck teams may still just suck anyway. But the 2010 terrain is ripe for one of us to creep up close to Sandy Eggo.

KCChiefsMan
04-24-2010, 06:08 PM
well he's an upgrade for sure

Frankie
04-24-2010, 07:28 PM
u think we could trade cassel and a 4th for clausen?

We have Clausen's HC as our OC. He and the Chiefs was one of 31 other teams who did not want him. That should tell us something.

Frankie
04-24-2010, 07:31 PM
Hes an ok QB. Not bad, but nothing truly special either.

Far better than anything Oakland had. And with the previous cast they split the season with us. It stands to reason that we should worry a bit about getting swept by them.

dannybcaitlyn
04-24-2010, 07:53 PM
Far better than anything Oakland had. And with the previous cast they split the season with us. It stands to reason that we should worry a bit about getting swept by them.

The guy sucks! Shanahan new this also, thats why he didnt even make it to camp to compete for his job. Todd collins out played him when he was there. Enough said.

R8RFAN
04-24-2010, 08:14 PM
The guy sucks! Shanahan new this also, thats why he didnt even make it to camp to compete for his job. Todd collins out played him when he was there. Enough said.



Campbell is coming off his best season, completing 64.5 percent of his passes with 20 touchdowns, 15 interceptions and a 86.4 rating. But the Redskins went 4-12 last season

is that his fault or the people around him or the defense or what?

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:23 PM
so this means j.russel is out of the league in 3... 2.... 1...

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:36 PM
so is anyone on our defense worried about campbell? i highly doubt it, we actually beat him when he was with the redskins, now that has to be good for us

mlyonsd
04-24-2010, 08:39 PM
Big whoopdido. You might not like Shanahan but he does know QB's.

My prediction is Campbell never wins a PO game in turdville.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:44 PM
Big whoopdido. You might not like Shanahan but he does know QB's.

My prediction is Campbell never wins a PO game in turdville.

agreed :evil:

JD10367
04-24-2010, 08:49 PM
Big whoopdido. You might not like Shanahan but he does know QB's.

He does? Really? Elway had already been there for years before Shanny arrived. After Elway he attempted to replace him with Brian Griese, Jake Plummer, and Jay Cutler. Not exactly a stellar QB resume.

Frankly, at this point in McNabb's career, he's not necessarily that much better than Campbell.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:50 PM
He does? Really? Elway had already been there for years before Shanny arrived. After Elway he attempted to replace him with Brian Griese, Jake Plummer, and Jay Cutler. Not exactly a stellar QB resume.

Frankly, at this point in McNabb's career, he's not necessarily that much better than Campbell.

you cant be serious???

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:53 PM
campbell is going to look amazing since he will be compared to russel, and mcnabb is going to be playing the same division he has been, so he will be fine in washington. but campbell is nowhere near mcnabb, not even close

dannybcaitlyn
04-24-2010, 08:57 PM
Campbell is coming off his best season, completing 64.5 percent of his passes with 20 touchdowns, 15 interceptions and a 86.4 rating. But the Redskins went 4-12 last season

is that his fault or the people around him or the defense or what?

Maybe they dont believe he is a leader or they think he could only take the team so far. But clearly if they thought the guy was "The Man" they would have kept him.

mlyonsd
04-24-2010, 09:05 PM
He does? Really? Elway had already been there for years before Shanny arrived. After Elway he attempted to replace him with Brian Griese, Jake Plummer, and Jay Cutler. Not exactly a stellar QB resume.

Frankly, at this point in McNabb's career, he's not necessarily that much better than Campbell.

Rather than just posting their names why don't you post their numbers?

Be sure to include Campbell's.

JD10367
04-24-2010, 09:22 PM
you cant be serious???

Campbell's 28. McNabb's 33. Their numbers weren't that far off last season, considering what Campbell had to work with compared to the talent around McNabb.

Rather than just posting their names why don't you post their numbers?

Be sure to include Campbell's.

You implied Shanny knows QBs, which is why he made a pretty quick decision to dump Campbell for McNabb. I responded that, given the three guys he tried to replace Elway with, Shanny isn't exactly a QB guru. It's pretty simple.

Tell you what: I bet Campbell and McNabb end up with similar numbers this year, if Campbell's aren't outright better.

R8RFAN
04-24-2010, 09:24 PM
McNabb

<table class="infobox vcard" style="width: 25em; text-align: left; font-size: 90%;"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" style="text-align: center; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(125, 0, 8);">Career NFL statistics as of Week 17, 2009</th> </tr> <tr> <th style="text-align: right;">TD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown)–INT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_%28football%29) </th> <td> 216–100</td> </tr> <tr> <th style="text-align: right;">Passing yards </th> <td> 32,873</td> </tr> <tr> <th style="text-align: right;">QB Rating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating) </th> <td> 86.5</td></tr></tbody></table>

Ugly Duck
04-24-2010, 09:25 PM
Didnt the Chiefs win their first game last year against the Invincible Jason Campbell at QB who couldnt score a TD against the invincible 2009 KC Chiefs defense?I don't think I like this post. I think I'll just pretend I didn't see it.

RedNeckRaider
04-24-2010, 09:26 PM
He does? Really? Elway had already been there for years before Shanny arrived. After Elway he attempted to replace him with Brian Griese, Jake Plummer, and Jay Cutler. Not exactly a stellar QB resume.

Frankly, at this point in McNabb's career, he's not necessarily that much better than Campbell.

Not popular here but very true.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 09:43 PM
Tell you what: I bet Campbell and McNabb end up with similar numbers this year, if Campbell's aren't outright better.

i would almost agree with that, considering they are both going to new systems, and both systems sucked last yr. that being said i would expect mediocracy from both

Frankie
04-24-2010, 09:46 PM
so is anyone on our defense worried about campbell? i highly doubt it, we actually beat him when he was with the redskins, now that has to be good for us

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves me right when we won a close game in Oakland last year we owe a lot of it to Russel's inacuracy and wild incompletes to open receivers. Had they had Campbell then they probably would have beaten us.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 09:55 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves me right when we won a close game in Oakland last year we owe a lot of it to Russel's inacuracy and wild incompletes to open receivers. Had they had Campbell then they probably would have beaten us.

ya they probably would have, as hard as that is to say

Ugly Duck
04-24-2010, 10:19 PM
Had they had Campbell then they probably would have beaten us.

I know we would have won more games if Russell was on the bench. I've watched him look right at a RB standing there waiting for a dump off. No pressure, just one guy tossing the ball to another. And he throws it into the turf 7 yards in front of the guy. Ryan Freakin Leaf could have made that throw with his eyes closed. GoChiefs could have made that throw with vaseline on his hand.

http://www.sbreport.net/wp-content/JaMarcus_Russell_PC-300x2961.jpg

rtmike
04-24-2010, 11:03 PM
When Washington traded for McNabb I instantly wondered where would Campbell go.

I thought Oakland right away but didn't think the Rat would deal with Greasy Al. Maybe the Rat knows some thing we all don't cause I really don't think he'd be helping GA.

Bruce Allen had to have done all the communicating.

Von Dumbass
04-24-2010, 11:22 PM
although i guess we could jump the donks ... they had a pretty crappy offseason.

We traded Brandon Marshall. Big whoop. The Cowboys lost TO last year and got better just because they lost him.

Ugly Duck
04-24-2010, 11:59 PM
We traded Brandon Marshall. Big whoop. The Cowboys lost TO last year and got better just because they lost him.

Therefore getting rid of productive WR's actually makes teams better.

HotRoute
04-25-2010, 12:08 AM
We traded Brandon Marshall. Big whoop. The Cowboys lost TO last year and got better just because they lost him.

they also had witten/crayton/austin/miles/barber/jones. in other words a ton of depth. on the other hand marshall was getting thrown to up to 20 times in a game, then scheffler gets traded . . . . not exactly the same situation

Von Dumbass
04-25-2010, 12:22 AM
they also had witten/crayton/austin/miles/barber/jones. in other words a ton of depth. on the other hand marshall was getting thrown to up to 20 times in a game, then scheffler gets traded . . . . not exactly the same situation

Denver went to 6 Super Bowls without a WR as good as Brandon Marshall. We have a good group of WR's and Damaryius Thomas has basically the same body but he has 4.38 speed.

Scheffler wasn't a big part of McDaniels offense anyways. TE's have to be good blockers in McD's offense and Scheffler wasn't.

HotRoute
04-25-2010, 12:28 AM
ya that thomas guy looks like another c.johnson type WR outta GA Tech and looks like he has a lot of potential. i just think that mcdaniels is putting a lot on the line for tebow, i mean didnt you guys just pick up quinn too, IMO the broncos had a very perplexing draft, but again i am in wait and see mode

ClevelandBronco
04-25-2010, 02:18 AM
Not when Denver has the 8th easiest schedule. Denver will win at least 10 games this year.

Good grief. Pass that shit down here.

Coach
04-25-2010, 03:00 AM
So let me get this straight. Campbell was a disaster because of the owner, he's had a ton of different offenses, didn't have an oline and didn't really have much in terms of WR.

Please let me know where the Raiders have anything different than what he had in Washington. The Raiders constantly change signal callers too.

Didn't Campbell played for eight offensive coordinators in nine years? I think that has to do something with his growth as a player. :shrug:

R8RFAN
04-25-2010, 07:42 AM
When Washington traded for McNabb I instantly wondered where would Campbell go.

I thought Oakland right away but didn't think the Rat would deal with Greasy Al. Maybe the Rat knows some thing we all don't cause I really don't think he'd be helping GA.

Bruce Allen had to have done all the communicating.

how do you know he didn't do it to screw his old team ?

TheGuardian
04-25-2010, 09:26 AM
I can't wait to throw this shit up to guys who tell me the Raiders are fukcing loaded with talent but just need a "serviceable" QB. That team is fukcing void of talent everywhere. People just don't have a clue as to what they are watching. Kirk Morrison has always been ass, and even some Chief fans on here say "oh Morrinon and Howard are really great players." No they aren't. They suck nuts. They are a big part as to why their run defense is terrible. Oakland thought so much of Morrison they tendered him with a 4th, BEGGING someone to take that deal. Then they drafted a mike backer with their first pick. This is why some of you don't know shit.

Second, they still don't have a left tackle. They can't protect the edge, their running backs are beyond atrocious (I can't believe some of you haven't caught up with the fact that McFadden is a gigantic fukcing bust). They will go double digit losses again. They have no coaching staff, no talent, no ability to draft. That team sucks nuts with or without a good QB.

RedNeckRaider
04-25-2010, 09:35 AM
I can't wait to throw this shit up to guys who tell me the Raiders are fukcing loaded with talent but just need a "serviceable" QB. That team is fukcing void of talent everywhere. People just don't have a clue as to what they are watching. Kirk Morrison has always been ass, and even some Chief fans on here say "oh Morrinon and Howard are really great players." No they aren't. They suck nuts. They are a big part as to why their run defense is terrible. Oakland thought so much of Morrison they tendered him with a 4th, BEGGING someone to take that deal. Then they drafted a mike backer with their first pick. This is why some of you don't know shit.

Second, they still don't have a left tackle. They can't protect the edge, their running backs are beyond atrocious (I can't believe some of you haven't caught up with the fact that McFadden is a gigantic fukcing bust). They will go double digit losses again. They have no coaching staff, no talent, no ability to draft. That team sucks nuts with or without a good QB.

They will finish ahead of KC again. The Chargers are the best of a bad lot. Some what amusing hearing a rant that this trade does not help Oakland. I could really give a shit because I think it gets them to 8 -8 or 9-7 and feel they are a couple of solid off seasons like this one away from any kind of serious playoff run~

TheGuardian
04-25-2010, 09:40 AM
Probably won't finish ahead of KC. And no this trade won't get them to 8-8 or 9-7. And no, they aren't even close to a playoff run. Can't run the ball, can't stop the run. Nothing at WR, nothing in the front 7. So campbell, who had better WR's in Washington last year is going to do what in Oakland? Fail. Enjoy.

RedNeckRaider
04-25-2010, 09:42 AM
Probably won't finish ahead of KC. And no this trade won't get them to 8-8 or 9-7. And no, they aren't even close to a playoff run. Can't run the ball, can't stop the run. Nothing at WR, nothing in the front 7. So campbell, who had better WR's in Washington last year is going to do what in Oakland? Fail. Enjoy.

LOL I am up for a sig bet~

TheGuardian
04-25-2010, 10:11 AM
LOL I am up for a sig bet~

Sure. Raiders won't go 9-7.

mcaj22
04-25-2010, 10:25 AM
They won't go 9-7 but will absolutely finish ahead of the Chiefs in the division. They split with us last year and they had a absolute shit QB. I can't imagine what they are going to do to us with a 60 some percent career passing QB.

notorious
04-25-2010, 10:26 AM
Denver went to 6 Super Bowls without a WR as good as Brandon Marshall.



Elway

Ugly Duck
04-25-2010, 10:40 AM
TSomewhat amusing hearing a rant that this trade does not help Oakland.

Bad news, dude. Coach Cable just announced that he is not cutting Jamarcus the Hut with the signing of Campbell. He's going to try the Hut at DT.... terrible move. I hate it.

TheGuardian
04-25-2010, 10:43 AM
Coach Cable is another reason why they won't go 9-7. Russell isn't the only reason that team had double digit losses..................again.

Frankie
04-25-2010, 11:03 AM
GoChiefs could have made that throw with vaseline on his hand.
ROFL

RedNeckRaider
04-25-2010, 11:34 AM
Sure. Raiders won't go 9-7.

They finish ahead of the Chiefs is the bet I am offering~

TheGuardian
04-25-2010, 11:51 AM
No you said 8-8 or 9-7. That's what I am betting.

RedNeckRaider
04-25-2010, 11:58 AM
No you said 8-8 or 9-7. That's what I am betting.

I said I think this trade helps them move to a 8-8 or 9-7 team true. I am however offering you a sig bet Oakland finishes ahead of KC. You have ranted about how Oakland sucks and they are a joke. You are a Chiefs fan and I am a Raiders fan so are you willing to bet on your team to finish ahead of the team you say is a total joke? I am willing to work out a sig bet which I have done with several people here. I will bet on my team against yours, will you do the same?

OctoberFart
04-25-2010, 12:44 PM
I think Oakland has improved as much as anyone in the west and will compete this year. Wait til we sign Faneca too. Can't wait to run the ball on the KC queeefs.

TheGuardian
04-25-2010, 12:47 PM
I said I think this trade helps them move to a 8-8 or 9-7 team true. I am however offering you a sig bet Oakland finishes ahead of KC. You have ranted about how Oakland sucks and they are a joke. You are a Chiefs fan and I am a Raiders fan so are you willing to bet on your team to finish ahead of the team you say is a total joke? I am willing to work out a sig bet which I have done with several people here. I will bet on my team against yours, will you do the same?

I never said KC would be good or even better. I said the thought that the Raiders would be a good team if they just added a decent quarterback is unfounded. So my bet with you is that if that is true (something you have said many times) then put your money where your mouth is. Raiders will go 9-7 right?

Hays
04-25-2010, 12:57 PM
Oakland probably will win 7 games this year
They have a few WR that are good. They have a good TE
They will figure the running out with Bush being the main back if McFadden proves he can't do anything again.

Their D is good. They made moves to stop the run, and may run more of a 3-4 d now.

I think the Raiders gave their fans hope for once

Saying that, i think the chiefs are going to stick to cassel this year and if he doesn't show he can do anything then they go QB next year in a QB heavy draft

RedNeckRaider
04-25-2010, 01:00 PM
I never said KC would be good or even better. I said the thought that the Raiders would be a good team if they just added a decent quarterback is unfounded. So my bet with you is that if that is true (something you have said many times) then put your money where your mouth is. Raiders will go 9-7 right?

Look you fucking clown money was never offered. I was making a bet with you for the fun of it. I take the team I root for and you take the team you root for. It is all in fun for me you on the other hand take this shit way too serious. Piss off, you have always acted like a 12 year old tool when I have talked with you on here. There are too many cool people here to waste time on you~

TheGuardian
04-25-2010, 01:02 PM
Look you ****ing clown money was never offered. I was making a bet with you for the fun of it. I take the team I root for and you take the team you root for. It is all in fun for me you on the other hand take this shit way too serious. Piss off, you have always acted like a 12 year old tool when I have talked with you on here. There are too many cool people here to waste time on you~

Holy shit.

Money where your mouth is = Just an expression. I still meant the sig bet.

Take your geritol this morning. Holy shit.

I wasn't taking anything serious at all. Damn.

Consistent1
04-25-2010, 01:28 PM
Arguments on here?Damn, when did things like that start to happen? lmao..My take is that out of the Chiefs,Raiders,Broncos trio almost anything could happen.It seems so close that nothing would surprise me order of finish wise.Hell,one of the three could hang around with San Diego until the end depending on home field wins,etc.Between Oak and KC,it comes down to which QB steps up IMO.
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Ugly Duck
04-25-2010, 04:19 PM
RedNeck & Guardian.... the reason neither can win the argument is that you are both right. Oakland is a "total joke." And KC looks up at the Raiders, aspiring to one day also achieve total joke status as they attempt to climb out of the cellar, rung by rung on the ladder of NFL success.

Cellar (KC)--> Total Joke (Oak)--> Crap Team(Den)--> AFCW Contender (SD)--> AFC contender (nobody)

ForeverChiefs58
04-26-2010, 05:35 PM
JaMarcus Russell has beefed up to 300 pounds, a league source tells Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post.

Russell was already overweight at 290, so he's sliding in the wrong direction. We'd say his imminent release might motivate the former No. 1 overall pick to get in shape, but history has proven that won't be the case. The "move JaMarcus to right tackle" jokes are coming fast and furious now. If Russell puts on about 20 more lbs., he could play five-technique end in Oakland's new 3-4 sets. Apr. 26 - 11:24 am et

Flachief58
04-26-2010, 05:41 PM
I think Oakland has improved as much as anyone in the west and will compete this year. Wait til we sign Faneca too. Can't wait to run the ball on the KC queeefs.ROFL There is 1 reason your Faiders will allways fail.... it's...you guessed it Al Davis. Untill he's not the puppet master anymore, you are doomed to failure. Get ready to get your asses spanked by the :arrow: twice this year and for years to come!:rockon:

TheGuardian
04-26-2010, 05:44 PM
RedNeck & Guardian.... the reason neither can win the argument is that you are both right. Oakland is a "total joke." And KC looks up at the Raiders, aspiring to one day also achieve total joke status as they attempt to climb out of the cellar, rung by rung on the ladder of NFL success.

Cellar (KC)--> Total Joke (Oak)--> Crap Team(Den)--> AFCW Contender (SD)--> AFC contender (nobody)

KC probably won't be in the cellar this year. And sorry but if you look over the past 5-8 years it's Oakland looking up to KC in terms of win/loss.

Frankie
04-26-2010, 10:08 PM
ROFL There is 1 reason your Faiders will allways fail.... it's...you guessed it Al Davis. Untill he's not the puppet master anymore, you are doomed to failure.

There were signs of THAT in the last draft. So do not gloat. Just worry about our own team.

RedNeckRaider
04-27-2010, 04:49 PM
KC probably won't be in the cellar this year. And sorry but if you look over the past 5-8 years it's Oakland looking up to KC in terms of win/loss.

LMAO That is why you acted like a little jerk when I offered to make a friendly sig bet saying Oakland would finish ahead of KC this year. It is easy to think you are a jerk but now I am wondering if you are "touched" and a "special" kid. Most kids who have to wear a head protection don't have the ability to operate electronic devices~

Frankie
04-28-2010, 02:07 PM
KC probably won't be in the cellar this year. And sorry but if you look over the past 5-8 years it's Oakland looking up to KC in terms of win/loss.

That's great debating full of reasoning. :rolleyes: