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Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 04:07 PM
I am flabbergasted that we made no attempt to upgrade our linebackers this offseason.

Nothing in free agency. Nothing in the draft, unless you count a converted defensive end who is clearly going to play OLB, but doesn't have a prayer of starting. Fortunately we still have Patriot Way to rush the passer. What do you want to bet he's even slower and less athletic than he was a year ago at 34 fucking years of age? He'll be 35 when the season starts.

Corey Mays and Derrick Johnson can't tackle for shit. Mays missed FOURTEEN tackles last year. Johnson missed more tackles per snap than any other Chief. He wasn't on the field for a very good reason - HE SUCKS. Maybe we're counting on Jovan Belcher? LMAO

Tamba Hali is all alone again.

Criminal.

Icon
04-24-2010, 04:09 PM
Amen.

I guess Derrick Johnson will be on this team next year after all.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 04:10 PM
Pioli values 3 positions:

B5TA
BTEA
BKRA

bigbucks24
04-24-2010, 04:10 PM
Just wait till Miami cuts some. They signed 1 FA, traded for 1 and drafted 4.

DBOSHO
04-24-2010, 04:11 PM
I actually like belcher alot. I hoping johnson pulls his head out of his ass and he and belcher start in the middle.

Johnny Vegas
04-24-2010, 04:12 PM
well they can't get anymore worse can they? there's only one way left and that's up. gotta go out there and give it a 110% and play hard and play good and I think they'll play pretty good...

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 04:14 PM
I actually like belcher alot. I hoping johnson pulls his head out of his ass and he and belcher start in the middle.

Vrabel certainly can, because he's old as fuck.

If DJ becomes a 3-down player who knows how much he'll fuck up.

Buck
04-24-2010, 04:15 PM
If I was Pioli, I would have taken

1. Berry
2a. Kindle
2b. Cody

Too bad that you didn't. Your defense would be pretty good.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 04:15 PM
Vrabel certainly can, because he's old as fuck.

If DJ becomes a 3-down player who knows how much he'll fuck up.

http://i40.tinypic.com/16h0u4j.jpg

Farzin
04-24-2010, 04:15 PM
The Chiefs have not drafted a LB since 2005, the year KC got Derrick Johnson (and Boomer Grigsby.)

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 04:15 PM
If I was Pioli, I would have taken

1. Berry
2a. Kindle
2b. Cody

Too bad that you didn't. Your defense would be pretty good.

Well, you aren't a retard, so that figures.

TheGuardian
04-24-2010, 04:19 PM
I think Belcher earns a job in camp. He's clearly an upgrade IMO. Hopefully Studabaker follows suit and makes Vrabel a part time player. If that happens we're doing a little better.

Just trying to play the "bright side of things" in this.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 04:21 PM
I think Belcher earns a job in camp. He's clearly an upgrade IMO. Hopefully Studabaker follows suit and makes Vrabel a part time player. If that happens we're doing a little better.

Just trying to play the "bright side of things" in this.

If you think anyone is going to unseat Vrabel you're fooling yourself.

He's untouchable.

TheGuardian
04-24-2010, 04:23 PM
If you think anyone is going to unseat Vrabel you're fooling yourself.

He's untouchable.

I don't think he's going to be a full time player. If anything I think he and Andy will split time.

Hound333
04-24-2010, 04:25 PM
On a positive note, if you didn't renew your season tickets this year like me, you only get to watch this defense half the time.

RustShack
04-24-2010, 04:25 PM
Theres going to be another wave of free agency before the season starts..

Fish
04-24-2010, 04:29 PM
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Mr. Laz
04-24-2010, 04:35 PM
Theres going to be another wave of free agency before the season starts..
well if this isn't a flashback to the Carl Peterson ...

just wait until free agency
just wait until the draft
just wait until the unsigned draftees
just wait until the 2nd wave of cuts
WTF just happened ... we still suck?!?!?

Fritz88
04-24-2010, 04:37 PM
If I was Pioli, I would have taken

1. Berry
2a. Kindle
2b. Cody

Too bad that you didn't. Your defense would be pretty good.

Go figure.
I am puzzled. Really. You ignore your most pressing fucking needs. Unless Pioli is going to cover these holes with FAs, he's a fucking retard.

B_Ambuehl
04-24-2010, 04:45 PM
Pioli doesn't "do" free agency or logical Carriker/Morrison type of trades.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 04:46 PM
Al Bundy sans balls? ROFL

Fruit Ninja
04-24-2010, 05:09 PM
So we can go after them next year. Its not like we are going to win anything this year. I dont see what the difference is in getting some next year over this year. Its about 2011 and beyond. 2010 is just another lets just get through this year and have some positives going on.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:10 PM
Oh great, not another evaluation year.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 05:19 PM
Well, you aren't a retard, so that figures.

So you want a guy with potentially serious knee problems, and a fat guy who may or may not eat his way out of the NFL? Why is that supposed to be some kind of a no-brainer?

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 05:22 PM
I'll take that fat motherfucker at 50, because at the very least, he can help put the other team in 3rd and long.

Meanwhile, we'll be subjected to another year of watching Ron Edwards turning the A gap into the A gap because he gets blown so far off the fucking ball.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-24-2010, 06:01 PM
Vrabel certainly can, because he's old as fuck.

If DJ becomes a 3-down player who knows how much he'll fuck up.

Oh God; I had forgotten about that NE fuckstick completely. Thanks for reminding me...:cuss::)

doomy3
04-24-2010, 06:05 PM
I'll take that fat mother****er at 50, because at the very least, he can help put the other team in 3rd and long.

Meanwhile, we'll be subjected to another year of watching Ron Edwards turning the A gap into the A gap because he gets blown so far off the ****ing ball.

I don't think Edwards will be on the field much. I think Smith and Dorsey will man the nose.

milkman
04-24-2010, 06:05 PM
So you want a guy with potentially serious knee problems, and a fat guy who may or may not eat his way out of the NFL? Why is that supposed to be some kind of a no-brainer?

So, let me guess, you're happy with this draft.

Fish
04-24-2010, 06:06 PM
So we can go after them next year. Its not like we are going to win anything this year. I dont see what the difference is in getting some next year over this year. Its about 2011 and beyond. 2010 is just another lets just get through this year and have some positives going on.

:banghead:

JFC.... is it ever going to be an actual "real" year where we try, or are we going to evaluate shit for another decade?

And how can you be OK with this? We've sucked for a long time. Are you ever going to get frustrated with a lack of progress?

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 06:07 PM
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Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 06:09 PM
Next year Jerome Harrison will announce Cleveland's picks, after he breaks his own record against the Chiefs in Week 2.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 06:10 PM
I don't think Edwards will be on the field much. I think Smith and Dorsey will man the nose.

You really think Glenn Dorsey is a Romeo Crennel 2 gap nose tackle?

Ari Chi3fs
04-24-2010, 06:11 PM
I wish I were a Seahawks fan... they had a killer draft.

It's almost like they know what they are doing or something. I've yet to experience that.

track
04-24-2010, 06:12 PM
So many of you are so negative you really ought to find another favorite team.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:13 PM
So many of you are so negative you really ought to find another favorite team.

I always love responses like this, down with critical thinking, up with blind sheep support!

doomy3
04-24-2010, 06:16 PM
You really think Glenn Dorsey is a Romeo Crennel 2 gap nose tackle?

No, I don't. But, it sounds like that is what they're going to try.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 06:18 PM
You really think Glenn Dorsey is a Romeo Crennel 2 gap nose tackle?

People are now scrambling to justify.

Shaun Smith keeps them off our LBs enough so they are free to make plays. We have run stuffing Safeties now that can also play the pass, so in run situations we stack the box. We have a weaker schedule this year and it will be our second year in the 3-4 with it being the first for Crennel. Evaluation of the players and the growth in our schemes will help tremendously. We were in many games last year and we had 4 wins. I think 8-8 is not out of the question.

My biggest knock on Pioli was all the faith he put in Cassel and I'm still not sure about him. I do think this draft is showing they are happy with the QB situaiton. I think Croyle has given them confidence that he can come in and be a playmaker if Cassel goes down or simply isn't getting it done. Of course the injury bug is always a scare with Croyle. That being said I think he has bulked up and is healthier than at any point in his career. Other than Bradford, I didn't see a QB that had Croyle's talent, so why waste an early pick on a QB that doesn't bring anything new to the table when this team needs to get as many playmakers on the field as possible.

Obviously they have a plan for NT otherwise it would have been solved in the 2nd round. OLB is an issue but maybe they know something we don't about players that might get cut or they are addressing what they can this year and making that top priority next year. His track record is taking cast offs from other teams and older vets and plugging them into the linebacker core.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-24-2010, 06:30 PM
I always love responses like this, down with critical thinking, up with blind sheep support!

I just whacked his n00b ass with my Chihuahua rep-stick.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 06:33 PM
So, let me guess, you're happy with this draft.

That depends on what we see on the field. I'm not stoked about the later picks. I don't know how to feel about Arenas--I would have liked to have seen a different pick. I like the McCluster pick if he is who we think he is. While I wouldn't have drafted Arenas, I don't think it's the "shit the pants" pick people say it is if he is an effective nickel back and return guy. Asamoah--not ecstatic nor upset about the pick. Moeaki, I'm not a big fan of trading up for the pick, but given Weis' preference for double-TE sets, I trust his judgment on this one.

I just don't get grades of F for the draft. I think right now it grades as a C+ and, if McCluster becomes Sproles, Moeaki is an effective 2-TE set starter, Asamoah a starter on the interior, and Arenas is a nickel back/return guy, I think it could easily be upgraded to a B+.

I just don't understand why everyone insists that we needed to pigeonhole our picks to two positions, rather than take the guy we thought was BPA. And I think we'll find that a lot of the guys we were pimping are going to be very average pros, so I don't understand why some are pimping them out to be anything more than just ordinary picks.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 06:35 PM
I am flabbergasted that we made no attempt to upgrade our linebackers this offseason.



Not Quite Correct, as Sheffield is a hybrid that can play OLB.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/cameron-sheffield?id=496855

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:36 PM
My favorite line anyone can use is "they know something we don't"

Reminds me of that Jets fan on taking O'Brien over Marino.

Ralphy Boy
04-24-2010, 06:36 PM
Half of our LB's wouldn't even make another roster if they were cut today.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 06:38 PM
Half of our LB's wouldn't even make another roster if they were cut today.

I guess thats better than 60% of our entire team that we cut last year that didn't find work.

:)

TrickyNicky
04-24-2010, 06:40 PM
All 3 of the DB's we drafted are good in run support. So the opposing RB will only get 10-20 yards instead of 40-60. PROGRESS

splatbass
04-24-2010, 08:00 PM
I am flabbergasted that we made no attempt to upgrade our linebackers this offseason.

Nothing in free agency. Nothing in the draft,

So the offseason is over, and they can't sign anyone else before the season starts?

The hyperbole is strong here.

Pestilence
04-24-2010, 08:02 PM
You guys....settle down. He drafted all of those SEC players because they know how to play against Tebow.

:D

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 08:07 PM
So the offseason is over, and they can't sign anyone else before the season starts?

The hyperbole is strong here.

There is JACK SHIT out there. There is almost NEVER anything worth a crap in free agency after the initial period.

stormtrooper
04-24-2010, 09:09 PM
I am flabbergasted that we made no attempt to upgrade our linebackers this offseason.

Nothing in free agency. Nothing in the draft, unless you count a converted defensive end who is clearly going to play OLB, but doesn't have a prayer of starting. Fortunately we still have Patriot Way to rush the passer. What do you want to bet he's even slower and less athletic than he was a year ago at 34 fucking years of age? He'll be 35 when the season starts.

Corey Mays and Derrick Johnson can't tackle for shit. Mays missed FOURTEEN tackles last year. Johnson missed more tackles per snap than any other Chief. He wasn't on the field for a very good reason - HE SUCKS. Maybe we're counting on Jovan Belcher? LMAO

Tamba Hali is all alone again.

Criminal.

God all you do is bitch and nerd out on your pc. No matter what they do you and your armchair will always know better. I'm starting to believe this board is for N00BS. Oh and bye the way i don't think they are trying to be the patriots. I think the Chiefs will be fine in the long haul and i'm not going to act life my life is over because things are not perfect. Johnson made game changing plays last year when given opportunity. He just needs to be pushed like last year. ;) :)

scorpio
04-24-2010, 10:10 PM
God all you do is bitch and nerd out on your pc. No matter what they do you and your armchair will always know better. I'm starting to believe this board is for N00BS. Oh and bye the way i don't think they are trying to be the patriots. I think the Chiefs will be fine in the long haul and i'm not going to act life my life is over because things are not perfect. Johnson made game changing plays last year when given opportunity. He just needs to be pushed like last year. ;) :)

http://imgur.com/A9901.gif

Messier
04-24-2010, 11:14 PM
God all you do is bitch and nerd out on your pc. No matter what they do you and your armchair will always know better. I'm starting to believe this board is for N00BS. Oh and bye the way i don't think they are trying to be the patriots. I think the Chiefs will be fine in the long haul and i'm not going to act life my life is over because things are not perfect. Johnson made game changing plays last year when given opportunity. He just needs to be pushed like last year. ;) :)

But he makes all those cool videos!

LaChapelle
04-24-2010, 11:18 PM
Where did you find the smilie with the spinning head and Haley shadow
it just needs to foam at the mouth a little

BIG K
04-24-2010, 11:34 PM
The Chiefs, like all the other mother fucking teams in the NFL, cannot upgrade every single position of need every single fucking year. So they did not draft LB, NT, or QB as we all hoped, oh well. The Chiefs big FA move was signing competent coordinators who I hope will help coach up the sacks of shit we already have........

RedThat
04-25-2010, 12:07 AM
The Chiefs, like all the other mother ****ing teams in the NFL, cannot upgrade every single position of need every single ****ing year. So they did not draft LB, NT, or QB as we all hoped, oh well. The Chiefs big FA move was signing competent coordinators who I hope will help coach up the sacks of shit we already have........

Yup. I can agree with that.

Rome wasn't built in one day so why should anyone expect that for the Chiefs?

KCChiefsFan88
04-25-2010, 12:38 PM
Theres going to be another wave of free agency before the season starts..

Just wait for free agency... just wait for the draft... just wait for the "second wave" of free agency...

That is all we hear from the Fat Scott apologists... WAIT WAIT WAIT.

DaneMcCloud
04-25-2010, 01:15 PM
Oh great, not another evaluation year.

You should just settle the fuck down and realize that this will be at least a four year rebuild of the Chiefs in Pioli's image.

Otherwise, you're going to have a heart attack while this team is assembled the way that he believes it should be assembled.

DaneMcCloud
04-25-2010, 01:19 PM
If you think anyone is going to unseat Vrabel you're fooling yourself.

He's untouchable.

I think Studebaker will be the starter by game eight, if not by performance, if by injury.

DaneMcCloud
04-25-2010, 01:21 PM
There is JACK SHIT out there. There is almost NEVER anything worth a crap in free agency after the initial period.

I guarantee there will be at least one linebacker that someone tries to sneak through waivers to their practice squad that ends up with the Chiefs.

DeezNutz
04-25-2010, 01:23 PM
You should just settle the **** down and realize that this will be at least a four year rebuild of the Chiefs in Pioli's image.

Otherwise, you're going to have a heart attack while this team is assembled the way that he believes it should be assembled.

Four years?

Then the guy is completely incompetent.

DBOSHO
04-25-2010, 01:30 PM
You should just settle the **** down and realize that this will be at least a four year rebuild of the Chiefs in Pioli's image.

Otherwise, you're going to have a heart attack while this team is assembled the way that he believes it should be assembled.

Dear god, i agree with you.

DaneMcCloud
04-25-2010, 01:44 PM
Four years?

Then the guy is completely incompetent.

Well, I didn't say I agreed with it.

I just think the guy is giving this organization a complete enema. And once it's complete, in his mind, this team will compete for a championship each year.

We'll see.

Short Leash Hootie
04-25-2010, 01:47 PM
GoChiefs will flip his tune after the first week of training camp when there are nothing but rave reviews over McCluster and Arenas...

Those are picks that will turn out to be every bit as good as our Flowers 2nd round pick a few years ago.

johnny961
04-25-2010, 01:54 PM
I wish we had upgraded our front 7 this draft. Teams had far too much success running the ball against us, and while an upgraded secondary is a good thing, we'll never see the full benefit of it until our defense can consistently put our opponents into passing situations by stuffing the run. I just wonder if we are looking at anybody FA wise that might be an upgrade.

Just Passin' By
04-25-2010, 02:04 PM
Four years?

Then the guy is completely incompetent.

Could you give us a complete list of teams that have gone from 2 wins or fewer to Super Bowl contenders in less than 4 years? I'm sure that, since Pioli would be incompetent for taking that long, the list will be extremely long, but perhaps you could give us a partial list of, say, 10-20 times where it's happened? And, to keep that, doubtlessly astronomical, number low, let's limit the time range to the past 10 years.

I looked at Pro-Football-Reference.com to help figure out the vast number of examples, and I came up with the number "0", as the two closest teams would seem to be the post-2002 Bengals (2-14 to 11-5 in 3 years, not really a Super Bowl threat, but did have the one very solid year) and Post-2007 Dolphins (went from 6 wins to 1 win due to lousy QB and terrible coaching. Got a new coach, got lucky with Pennington and went 11-5. Clearly not a Super Bowl threat, but a significant upgrade in 1 year, even with the backslide last season). I'm sure you can find a whole host of examples that I missed, though. After all, the Cowboys once managed it in the 90's, after fleecing the Vikings for Herschel Walker, so it probably happens all the time.

DeezNutz
04-25-2010, 02:18 PM
Could you give us a complete list of teams that have gone from 2 wins or fewer to Super Bowl contenders in less than 4 years? I'm sure that, since Pioli would be incompetent for taking that long, the list will be extremely long, but perhaps you could give us a partial list of, say, 10-20 times where it's happened? And, to keep that, doubtlessly astronomical, number low, let's limit the time range to the past 10 years.

I looked at Pro-Football-Reference.com to help figure out the vast number of examples, and I came up with the number "0", as the two closest teams would seem to be the post-2002 Bengals (2-14 to 11-5 in 3 years, not really a Super Bowl threat, but did have the one very solid year) and Post-2007 Dolphins (went from 6 wins to 1 win due to lousy QB and terrible coaching. Got a new coach, got lucky with Pennington and went 11-5. Clearly not a Super Bowl threat, but a significant upgrade in 1 year, even with the backslide last season). I'm sure you can find a whole host of examples that I missed, though. After all, the Cowboys once managed it in the 90's, after fleecing the Vikings for Herschel Walker, so it probably happens all the time.

LMAO.

"2 wins or fewer"?

Let's use the Chargers, who went from 1-15 to 12-4 in four years time. By your astounding logic above, the Chiefs should be able to do this in half the time, since they had double the wins. And the Chargers have been consistent SB threats from, essentially, this time forward.

And I like how you immediately rule out any exceptions as not "serious SB threats" (a phrase not used by Dane or me in our posts). If you're in the playoffs, you have a chance. Holla, Carl.

Don't worry. No one is being too mean to Pioli in this thread. If you want him back, please...let us know.

Just Passin' By
04-25-2010, 02:28 PM
LMAO.

"2 wins or fewer"?

Let's use the Chargers, who went from 1-15 to 12-4 in four years time. By your astounding logic above, the Chiefs should be able to do this in half the time, since they had double the wins. And the Chargers have been consistent SB threats from, essentially, this time forward.

And I like how you immediately rule out any exceptions as not "serious SB threats" (a phrase not used by Dane or me in our posts). If you're in the playoffs, you have a chance. Holla, Carl.

Don't worry. No one is being to mean to Pioli in this thread. If you want him back, please...let us know.

It has nothing to do with Pioli and everything to do with your ridiculous comment. As you noted, it took 4 years for the Chargers to go from 1-15 to 12-4. Given that Dane used 4 years as his number, you've got no argument here.

1-15
5-11
8-8
4-12
12-4

Also, regarding the Bengals and Dolphins.... even conceding them, which I don't, since they were not Super Bowl threats and you've been among the group bitching about "8-8"/"first round" stuff, you've got a grand total of 2 teams in a decade, and neither for more than one season of 'glory' before falling back into the pack (one to .500 and the other to below .500 the following season).

Are you now going to claim that you want to see 11-5 and a "one and done" in the playoffs followed by .500 or worse? Is that to be your stated goal for the Chiefs?

P.S. I chose 2 wins because that's what the Chiefs had the year before Pioli arrived. It wasn't just some random number being tossed out. If you go up to 3 wins, you get to add the Saints to the list and move from "0" to "1".

DeezNutz
04-25-2010, 02:33 PM
It has nothing to do with Pioli and everything to do with your ridiculous comment. As you noted, it took 4 years for the Chargers to go from 1-15 to 12-4. Given that Dane used 4 years as his number, you've got no argument here.

1-15
5-11
8-8
4-12
12-4

Also, regarding the Bengals and Dolphins.... even conceding them, which I don't, since they were not Super Bowl threats and you've been among the group bitching about "8-8"/"first round" stuff, you've got a grand total of 2 teams in a decade, and neither for more than one season of 'glory' before falling back into the pack (one to .500 and the other to below .500 the following season).

Are you now going to claim that you want to see 11-5 followed by .500 or worse? Is that to be your stated goal for the Chiefs?

Did we or did we not hire the four-time Executive of the Year? Should we not expect the best?

If the Chargers can go from 1 win to 12 in four years, getting close to this level in 3, for a team with double the wins, should be a reasonable expectation for someone of Pioli's talents.

And let's not forget that he brought a ready-now/win-now QB with him in year one. He not ****ing around with guys like Doug Flutie (who was more talented than Cassel, but I digress.)

You want another example? How about the Chiefs? The team that Vermeil inherited was an absolute disaster. The '01 team was an embarrassment. This is why records can be deceiving.

In year three we were, allegedly, SB contenders.

The bar is set for Pioli. 8-8 this year. Playoff run in '11.

No excuses. Though, I'm sure we can expect an impressive amount.

Just Passin' By
04-25-2010, 02:38 PM
Did we or did we not hire the four-time Executive of the Year? Should we not expect the best?

If the Chargers can go from 1 win to 12 in four years, getting close to this level in 3, for a team with double the wins, should be a reasonable expectation for someone of Pioli's talents.

And let's not forget that he brought a ready-now/win-now QB with him in year one. He not ****ing around with guys like Doug Flutie (who was more talented than Cassel, but I digress.)

You want another example? How about the Chiefs? The team that Vermeil inherited was an absolute disaster. The '01 team was an embarrassment. This is why records can be deceiving.

In year three we were, allegedly, SB contenders.

The bar is set for Pioli. 8-8 this year. Playoff run in '11.

No excuses. Though, I'm sure we can expect an impressive amount.

Ok, this is all my mistake. You see, I used to think you were a quality poster. I misread you at that time. I'm sorry for that.

mcaj22
04-25-2010, 02:41 PM
I remember people projected 6/7/8 wins last year and we weren't even close. I'm sure it will be the same majority projection and this team will underachieve even that as we will probably see more of the same play we saw last year just with a couple of tiny rookies giving us better field position only to see Cassel hold the ball longer and throw it in the dirt for every 3 and out drive we have next season.

DeezNutz
04-25-2010, 02:48 PM
Ok, this is all my mistake. You see, I used to think you were a quality poster. I misread you at that time. I'm sorry for that.

All posters are "quality," JPB.

Some are high-quality. Others are low-quality, and still others are of a middling-quality.

I'm sorry that Pioli's incompetence to this point has greatly offended Patriot fans.

Pawnmower
04-25-2010, 02:51 PM
I remember people projected 6/7/8

I remember this too...People were amazingly ignorant...I basically left another message board (which will remain nameless LOL) because the 'experts' on their board all were saying 8+ wins last season...It was so retarded...

But I do not think 6 or 7 is out of the question for 2010-2011...

I would put the over/under at 6.5 right now.

Just Passin' By
04-25-2010, 02:53 PM
All posters are "quality," JPB.

Some are high-quality. Others are low-quality, and still others are of a middling-quality.

I'm sorry that Pioli's incompetence to this point has greatly offended Patriot fans.

And another example of a pathetic post on your part.

Look, you made a stupid claim. It happens. Just admit it and move on. As I said, I used to think you were a quality poster. I think you let a small group of fools drag you down into the mud, and I think you can be a lot better than what you've become.

DaneMcCloud
04-25-2010, 02:56 PM
I remember this too...People were amazingly ignorant...I basically left another message board (which will remain nameless LOL) because the 'experts' on their board all were saying 8+ wins last season...It was so retarded...

But I do not think 6 or 7 is out of the question for 2010-2011...

I would put the over/under at 6.5 right now.

I think it's folly to make a prediction so far from the end of training camp. Injuries could play a role in such a projection, as could the addition of players at the final cut down.

That said, I can see 6-7 wins this year and if the ball falls just right, maybe a couple more.

But I definitely expect progress, regardless of the schedule. Progress from the younger players, better schemes offensively and defensively and progress from the head coach.

I think it'll make a HUGE difference offensively (and for the QB in particular) to have the duties of HC, OC and QB coach split between two men.

Pawnmower
04-25-2010, 02:56 PM
The bar is set for Pioli. 8-8 this year. Playoff run in '11.


I think you are quite misinformed. I don't know where you got this 'information' from but I guarantee you that if we go 6-10 or 7-9 and our team has made strides in the fundamental areas (rushing the QB, making 1st downs, field position, time of possession) this year that Pioli's job is not only safe, but he will get a lot of credit and praise.

These fundamental things were completely ****ed on our team when he took over a year ago. It isn't an overnight process to change the entire culture of a team that was playing THAT poorly.....

I just think that you are flat out wrong with your black/white view of the 8-8 number. The win loss doesn't mean anything in 2010-2011. Nothing.

DeezNutz
04-25-2010, 02:58 PM
And another example of a pathetic post on your part.

Look, you made a stupid claim. It happens. Just admit it and move on. As I said, I used to think you were a quality poster. I think you let a small group of fools drag you down into the mud, and I think you can be a lot better than what you've become.

I don't think it's stupid to say that it shouldn't take 4 years to field a legit team in KC. We supposedly have the best GM and two of the better coordinators in the league.

We have an in-his-prime QB and one of the best RBs* in the league (completely admit that if JC regresses, that will be huge).

The defense Pioli inherited was comprised of all day-one picks on the line and a talented secondary.

Claims that the roster was "devoid of talent" are not accurate. We were missing the single biggest piece, QB, and Pioli supposedly corrected that problem.

8-8, approximately, is a perfectly reasonable expectation for 2010. Playoff run in 2011. Not saying SB in 2011, just an appearance in the playoffs.

Pawnmower
04-25-2010, 02:59 PM
I think it's folly to make a prediction so far from the end of training camp. Injuries could play a role in such a projection, as could the addition of players at the final cut down.

I don't know about folly, as this same 'logic' could be applied at any time up to the season. It is just a prediction based on the information that we have at present...An injury can happen in week 8 that would just as easily screw up the over / under prediction....The only reason I even wa smentioning win loss was because of a previous post.


That said, I can see 6-7 wins this year and if the ball falls just right, maybe a couple more.


Folly! LOL...


But I definitely expect progress, regardless of the schedule. Progress from the younger players, better schemes offensively and defensively and progress from the head coach.


AMEN! +rep...If you look at my previous post, I think we are in 100% agreement...

DeezNutz
04-25-2010, 03:01 PM
I think you are quite misinformed. I don't know where you got this 'information' from but I guarantee you that if we go 6-10 or 7-9 and our team has made strides in the fundamental areas (rushing the QB, making 1st downs, field position, time of possession) this year that Pioli's job is not only safe, but he will get a lot of credit and praise.

These fundamental things were completely ****ed on our team when he took over a year ago. It isn't an overnight process to change the entire culture of a team that was playing THAT poorly.....

I just think that you are flat out wrong with your black/white view of the 8-8 number. The win loss doesn't mean anything in 2010-2011. Nothing.

Statistically, this team regressed in '09. People point to wins to justify progress. So which is it?

Changing the culture? Puke. I'm not a fan of the empty rhetoric that Pioli and company are so familiar with (see: right 53, it's a process).

Pawnmower
04-25-2010, 03:06 PM
Statistically, this team regressed in '09. People point to wins to justify progress. So which is it?

Changing the culture? Puke. I'm not a fan of the empty rhetoric that Pioli and company are so familiar with (see: right 53, it's a process).

Wins are only a shadow of the Mountain. WHen the mountain is higher, the shadow grows.

The most important things (the Mountain) are the basics of football - time of possesion, line of scrimmage, pressure on the QB, 1st downs, turnovers. The occaisional big play is nice too, if you have some playmakers.

You cannot magically make the shadow grow, you must make the mountain bigger.


That is my opnion...As far as changing the culture, that is what Pioli is trying to do...I agree it is rhetorical...But if it works, he will be a genius. If not....

Just Passin' By
04-25-2010, 03:16 PM
I don't think it's stupid to say that it shouldn't take 4 years to field a legit team in KC. We supposedly have the best GM and two of the better coordinators in the league.

We have an in-his-prime QB and one of the best RBs* in the league (completely admit that if JC regresses, that will be huge).

The defense Pioli inherited was comprised of all day-one picks on the line and a talented secondary.

Claims that the roster was "devoid of talent" are not accurate. We were missing the single biggest piece, QB, and Pioli supposedly corrected that problem.

8-8, approximately, is a perfectly reasonable expectation for 2010. Playoff run in 2011. Not saying SB in 2011, just an appearance in the playoffs.

8-8 is not a "perfectly reasonable expectation for 2010", and you bloody well know it. That's the sort of bullshit I'd expect from a Hamas or Mecca post.

The Chiefs arguably had less talent than the Lions when Pioli arrived, for crying out loud, and were certainly among the 2-3 least talented teams in the league. You know that, as well. You've spent the better part of a year bitching about damned near everything, and overlooking that elephant in the room. As for that talent on the line and in the secondary, I can only assume you're kidding.

LetsSignRussell
04-25-2010, 03:23 PM
I just looked at piolis draft last year. omfg that was pathetic. not a single guy did shit except succop

Count Alex's Wins
04-25-2010, 04:27 PM
GoChiefs will flip his tune after the first week of training camp when there are nothing but rave reviews over McCluster and Arenas...

Those are picks that will turn out to be every bit as good as our Flowers 2nd round pick a few years ago.

I never flip out over training camp reports.

I'll flip out if we come out roaring in preseason. Last year we sucked ass, and it was a harbinger.

CarlPeterson_fan
04-25-2010, 04:57 PM
And you guys thought that Maslowski, Kawika, and Fujita were bad? Of course, I did let Kawika and Fujita walk, and now they have SB rngs. But at least I drafted them. Pioli has to at least draft them first. A kick returner in the second round??:shake:

Count Alex's Wins
04-25-2010, 05:05 PM
A kick returner in the second round??:shake:

Shut the fuck up.

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Sweet Daddy Hate
04-27-2010, 07:03 PM
I think Studebaker will be the starter by game eight, if not by performance, if by injury.

God I hope so.

GoChiefs will flip his tune after the first week of training camp when there are nothing but rave reviews over McCluster and Arenas...

Those are picks that will turn out to be every bit as good as our Flowers 2nd round pick a few years ago.

Yeah............
No.

Could you give us a complete list of-

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I feel much better now, thanks.:D

I never flip out over training camp reports.

I'll flip out if we come out roaring in preseason. Last year we sucked ass, and it was a harbinger.

We both flipped out over TC. Be honest, Grasshopper. ;)

Mr. Flopnuts
04-27-2010, 07:05 PM
Carl Peterson got pwned.

keg in kc
04-27-2010, 07:14 PM
Statistically, this team regressed in '09. People point to wins to justify progress. So which is it? I can only speak for me, so the dude you quoted can answer for himself, but when a team wins more games against a (much) tougher schedule despite all the turnover, coaches and players, I would say that's a sign of improvement, regardless of what their yardage or scoring stats may say.

But, on the other hand, I would agree with you that (fan) expectations for this team in 2010 should fall into the 7-9 to 9-7 range. Because if they do "make strides" as the other fellow proposed - and I think they should based on the offseason to date - there's no reason they should win fewer games than that, with the teams on their schedule.

And they should be a contender for the division in 2011. If they've done a good job building things, they should be in the 10+ win neighborhood by that point. And then they should stay there for a while.

But, then again, that's been my expectation all along: Rough season in 2009 (tear-down year, for both the organization and the roster), Bounce-back in 2010 (re-build year), Contend in 2011.

DaneMcCloud
04-27-2010, 07:17 PM
I can only speak for me, so the dude you quoted can answer for himself, but when a team wins more games against a (much) tougher schedule despite all the turnover, coaches and players, I would say that's a sign of improvement, regardless of what their yardage or scoring stats may say.

But, on the other hand, I would agree with you that (fan) expectations for this team in 2010 should fall into the 7-9 to 9-7 range. Because if they do "make strides" as the other fellow proposed - and I think they should based on the offseason to date - there's no reason they should win fewer games than that, with the teams on their schedule.

And they should be a contender for the division in 2011. If they've done a good job building things, they should be in the 10+ win neighborhood by that point. And then they should stay there for a while.

But, then again, that's been my expectation all along: Rough season in 2009 (tear-down year, for both the organization and the roster), Bounce-back in 2010 (re-build year), Contend in 2011.

If everything comes together in 2011, I agree that they'll likely contend for a playoff spot.

But I think it'll be 2012 (again, if everything comes together) before they'll likely contend for a Super Bowl.

After that, all of the pieces should be in place and this team should be good for quite a long while.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2010, 07:22 PM
I can only speak for me, so the dude you quoted can answer for himself, but when a team wins more games against a (much) tougher schedule despite all the turnover, coaches and players, I would say that's a sign of improvement, regardless of what their yardage or scoring stats may say.

The problem with that is that they didn't play a tougher schedule.

We did the math at the end of last season and it was easier.

keg in kc
04-27-2010, 07:23 PM
If everything comes together in 2011, I agree that they'll likely contend for a playoff spot.

But I think it'll be 2012 (again, if everything comes together) before they'll likely contend for a Super Bowl.

After that, all of the pieces should be in place and this team should be good for quite a long while.Contending in the superbowl sense will depend on the quarterback position. If Cassel exceeds everybody but the front office's expectations, next year is a possibility. If he doesn't, then it will probably be 2012 at the best, unless they're the Jets of last year, with a team so strong defensively and in the run game that they can overcome the play of a rookie QB.

But I was saying "contending" in the smaller sense. For the division.

Although it's entirely possible they do that this year.

keg in kc
04-27-2010, 07:29 PM
The problem with that is that they didn't play a tougher schedule.

We did the math at the end of last season and it was easier.I would say that ultimately that's irrelevant to the larger discussion. Picking a "winner" between the 2008 Chiefs and 2009 Chiefs is sort of like trying to decide whether you want to date the girl with gonorrhea or the girl with syphilis.

Where they go from here is what counts. Hopefully 2010 doesn't end up being the girl with herpes.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2010, 07:32 PM
I would say that ultimately that's irrelevant to the larger discussion. Picking a "winner" between the 2008 Chiefs and 2009 Chiefs is sort of like trying to decide whether you want to date the girl with gonorrhea or the girl with syphilis.

Where they go from here is what counts. Hopefully 2010 doesn't end up being the girl with herpes.

That's fair.

Just pointing out the statistics.