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swayy07
04-24-2010, 04:37 PM
just thought i would see what you guys think......

Raiders - with the addition of Jason Campbell, while he's still no HOF, the raiders get a better QB then anything on their roster, and i think that they have had some decent weapons on their offense for a few seasons but never a good enough QB/ game manager to run the offense. the secondary was usually a highlight for the raiders with their shutdown corner Asomugha and their D-line looking up with Richard Seymour in the mix and with the addition of Rolando McClain it seems to me that they may have a good core group of players for a decent defense.

Chargers - The chargers are still the chargers without some familiar faces returning this year, they will still fight for first place but whether or not they can choke themselves out of the playoffs again this year we will have to wait and see.

Chiefs - The team who i think will be the most improved this year not just because im a homer, but because of the coaching additions they have made along with a few FA additions and an A++++ first round draft, while the second round and beyond remains to be graded upon, they very well might fight for the division if something bad happens within the chargers camp. even though the chiefs didnt address some major concerns on the D-line and LB group im waiting to see how bad that actually comes back to haunt us this year.

and last but not least.........

Broncos - im sure all of the bronco fans know exactly what im going to start with here.... Jay cutler,tony scheffler, Brandon Marshall....... I still to this day do not understand your coaches thinking in trading away THREE franchise players. i dont care if he didn't like the way they acted, they where better at their position then anything else you have on your roster right now. Josh Mcdaniels might as well have hit the reset button on your franchise. you know how for the last 6 to 7 years chiefs fans have felt while having to endure the laugh fest that is Herm Edwards and Carl Peterson as the HC/GM and everyone wanted to give us UN-godly amounts of shit for it? well guess what......... now its your turn. at the rate MCfistPump is going you wont make it to the playoffs for another 15 to 20 years, and while i will give ST. Tebow props for being a person with Morals and a mission in life and a devout Christian...... you drafted him 25TH overall?????? WTF!@$^%@# are you thinking you took a potential 3rd rounder over a whole secound round full of first round talent:facepalm::clap:. congratulations you and the jags might tie for the worst first round draft choice of the year, but i think you might actually win something this time.

Count Alex's Losses
04-24-2010, 04:38 PM
The Broncos had a pretty good draft besides Tebow.

If Tebow actually works out, lord help us.

swayy07
04-24-2010, 04:40 PM
The Broncos had a pretty good draft besides Tebow.

If Tebow actually works out, lord help us.

good point, thanks for pointing that out, but i still dont get the fact of trading a damn good WR just to draft one in the first round who reminds you of the guy you just traded away

Mecca
04-24-2010, 04:45 PM
Sadly no I'd say at this point we're at the bottom probably neck and neck with Denver, the Raiders did jump into being the 2nd team in the division though.

swayy07
04-24-2010, 04:48 PM
Sadly no I'd say at this point we're at the bottom probably neck and neck with Denver, the Raiders did jump into being the 2nd team in the division though.

id have to disagree man with the way the Charles finished up the year last year id say we have a really good chance of being 2nd in the division and i stress this MAYBE 1st if the chargers completely shit the bed. granted we did get blown out some games last year but how many did we lose by a touchdown or less?

Mecca
04-24-2010, 04:49 PM
How are we going to defend the run or get a pass rush?

ClevelandBronco
04-24-2010, 04:51 PM
I would be surprised if Denver, Kansas City or Oakland win more than seven games.

One of those bad teams has to be the worst, but it's a bit difficult to care which.

swayy07
04-24-2010, 04:56 PM
How are we going to defend the run or get a pass rush?

thats a good question, we will have to wait and see what affect romeo has on our D and see if Shaun smith is any help/ or upgrade at all over what we had last year.

Hog Farmer
04-24-2010, 04:56 PM
Sadly no I'd say at this point we're at the bottom probably neck and neck with Denver, the Raiders did jump into being the 2nd team in the division though.

I used to think you might have a clue, but now I don't !

The Raiders are going to be FAIL as long as they have their current coach and owner.

swayy07
04-24-2010, 04:56 PM
I would be surprised if Denver, Kansas City or Oakland win more than seven games.

One of those bad teams has to be the worst, but it's a bit difficult to care which.

yea but i think the Raiders make a jump this year with Jason Campbell at QB

Fritz88
04-24-2010, 05:00 PM
Tebow could do well in Denver. You never know.

swayy07
04-24-2010, 05:01 PM
Tebow could do well in Denver. You never know.

if he ever gets a chance to see the field

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:03 PM
With competent QB play the Raiders are a 7-9 win team. Being the 2nd team in this division is not an accomplishment.

BigChiefFan
04-24-2010, 05:03 PM
I think the Chiefs just sunk to the bottom of the division. Besides Jamaal Charles, Brandon Flowers, and hopefully Berry, we have very few superstars. We might even pick number one overall. I don't see a team with a more inferior roster than us.

Buck
04-24-2010, 05:03 PM
I dont get why people are writing of Tebow so easily.

Not only has he proven that hes a winner and that hes determined and that he has good leadership skills, but he probably was drafted by one of the better young QB coaches in the league.

Not saying that he will definitely be good, but I'm not writing him off yet.

swayy07
04-24-2010, 05:04 PM
I dont get why people are writing of Tebow so easily.

Not only has he proven that hes a winner and that hes determined and that he has good leadership skills, but he probably was drafted by one of the better young QB coaches in the league.

Not saying that he will definitely be good, but I'm not writing him off yet.

its not that im writing him off rather its i wouldnt have taken him in the first round

Hog Farmer
04-24-2010, 05:14 PM
I think the Chiefs just sunk to the bottom of the division. Besides Jamaal Charles, Brandon Flowers, and hopefully Berry, we have very few superstars. We might even pick number one overall. I don't see a team with a more inferior roster than us.

I think our staff has a lot more confidence in our team this year. Remember we are coming away from the coaching clusterfuck of 09. We have 3 first round picks on the D-line , DJ will possibly see his potential under Crennell ,our secondary just became solid if not dynamic and we should now have several return specialists that are 1st class. Don't throw this team under the bus.

easymobee
04-24-2010, 05:18 PM
2 things on Tebow.

1. People always think its idiotic when a guy blows up at the combine and magcally shoots from a 3rd round grade to a top 15 based on a 40 and a vertical etc. This always leads to people questioning the process and wondering why what kind of college player the guy is isn't considered more important than a cone drill.
Tebow is the opposite of a Gholston or Mamula and I bet Boller can still throw 70 yards from his knees.

The Broncos traded a 2nd for a 1st and a 3rd.

Started the draft with one 1st, 2 seconds, and one 3rd.

Ended the draft with two 1sts, 1 second, and two 3rds.

Got who they thought was the number 1 WR, so really what did they sacrafice? Some extra picks that existed for about an hour?

easymobee
04-24-2010, 05:28 PM
As for the rest of the class, the guide I used has the Broncos taking. ( which means nothing, nothing more interesting than reading a 5 yr old draft mag and seeing the fail)

No 2 WR
No 6 WR
No 4 Guard
No 2 Center
No 3 Center
No 2 CB
No 7 CB
I couldn't find the DE from Indiana. But maybe I shoulda looked under OLB.
Then Tebow, who's listed at 6th QB, but if nothing else at least the Broncos are just about the sole focus of all sports talk radio for the time being.

HerculesRockefell
04-24-2010, 05:29 PM
2 things on Tebow.

1. People always think its idiotic when a guy blows up at the combine and magcally shoots from a 3rd round grade to a top 15 based on a 40 and a vertical etc. This always leads to people questioning the process and wondering why what kind of college player the guy is isn't considered more important than a cone drill.
Tebow is the opposite of a Gholston or Mamula and I bet Boller can still throw 70 yards from his knees.

The Broncos traded a 2nd for a 1st and a 3rd.

Started the draft with one 1st, 2 seconds, and one 3rd.

Ended the draft with two 1sts, 1 second, and two 3rds.

Got who they thought was the number 1 WR, so really what did they sacrafice? Some extra picks that existed for about an hour?

People might hate the Tebow pick, and I'm not a fan of it, but McD did move around beautifully to get the players he wanted in the 1st round.

Denver had more talent before this draft, and they still have more talent after. How many Chiefs start for Denver? Maybe 5 or 6 tops.

easymobee
04-24-2010, 05:39 PM
I wish the Chiefs would have taken Clausen. Would've added something extra to the rivalry.

manchambo
04-24-2010, 05:41 PM
I'll respond to this in awhile, but my head is spinning right now over you calling Scheffler a franchise player.

I need to lay down for a few minutes.

easymobee
04-24-2010, 05:50 PM
I think its an overreaction to assume that Jason Campbell is good enough to add 4 or 5 wins to the Raiders win total and therefore taking them into that 8 and 8 or 9 and 7 range. Campbell probably isn't all that better than Gradkowski.

Decent picks by Al though (the ones I know of). McClain at 8 was wise and getting Campbell in the 4th was a steal considering everyone thought Al might take him in the 1st.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-24-2010, 05:59 PM
I wish the Chiefs would have taken Clausen. Would've added something extra to the rivalry.

:clap:

veist
04-25-2010, 04:28 AM
I dont get why people are writing of Tebow so easily.

Not only has he proven that hes a winner and that hes determined and that he has good leadership skills, but he probably was drafted by one of the better young QB coaches in the league.

Not saying that he will definitely be good, but I'm not writing him off yet.

People are writing off Tebow because he has more flaws in his game than he has bright spots. He looked _awful_ at the Senior Bowl doing even the most basic drills. The payout on that move is so far down the road if it even does payoff that I doubt McDaniels is still in Denver when it pays off. Because look at that team objectively, what exactly has he done to instill confidence in his ability as a coach? Run off his most productive player offensively two years in a row?

I mean and this is ignoring that he has spent what 5 first round picks at this point and has a short CB with no INTs, an OLB project with 0 sacks, a WR project who can't run a full route tree and a QB project that is years from starting. But hey we got a RB that looked pretty good when he wasn't hurt. That has to really inspire confidence with your owner.

Von Dumbass
04-25-2010, 06:40 AM
The Broncos had a pretty good draft besides Tebow.

If Tebow actually works out, lord help us.

If Tebow becomes a bust I will leave this forum forever, if he doesn't you have to make a kickass Tebow highlight video with this instrumental.

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Count Alex's Losses
04-25-2010, 06:53 AM
If Tebow becomes a bust I will leave this forum forever
<object height="385" width="480">


<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zNkj1aiISa8&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="385" width="480"></object>

What fun would that be?

milkman
04-25-2010, 06:57 AM
id have to disagree man with the way the Charles finished up the year last year id say we have a really good chance of being 2nd in the division and i stress this MAYBE 1st if the chargers completely shit the bed. granted we did get blown out some games last year but how many did we lose by a touchdown or less?

You're a homer.

That's me be the nicest I can be.

Homer.

Von Dumbass
04-25-2010, 07:03 AM
What fun would that be?

Like I said before, I wish you were a Broncos fan cause you make awesome highlight tapes with a lot of creativity.

milkman
04-25-2010, 07:03 AM
I think our staff has a lot more confidence in our team this year. Remember we are coming away from the coaching cluster**** of 09. We have 3 first round picks on the D-line , DJ will possibly see his potential under Crennell ,our secondary just became solid if not dynamic and we should now have several return specialists that are 1st class. Don't throw this team under the bus.

So far, the only guy that came away from the New England tree that has shown that he has an idea of WTF he's doing is Thomas Dimitroff in Atlanta.

Everyone else who has lighted ut on their own as a HC or a GM has either proven a failure already, or look like dumbasses so far.

Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Scott Pioli and Josh McDaniels are making Bill Belichick look more like a genius everyday.

Now Weis and Crennel may be good coor coordinators, but they better damn well be fucking miricle workers with the shit that Pioli is giving them.

TEX
04-25-2010, 07:27 AM
So far, the only guy that came away from the New England tree that has shown that he has an idea of WTF he's doing is Thomas Dimitroff in Atlanta.

Everyone else who has lighted ut on their own as a HC or a GM has either proven a failure already, or look like dumbasses so far.

Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Scott Pioli and Josh McDaniels are making Bill Belichick look more like a genius everyday.

Now Weis and Crennel may be good coor coordinators, but they better damn well be ****ing miricle workers with the shit that Pioli is giving them.

Sorry to say you're spot on with your assessment. Pioli is the worst of the lot because he was supposed to be the best. Going into the draft, talent wise, the Chiefs were clearly at the bottom of the division. This draft does absolutely nothing to improve that standing as they got only 1 sure starter and one other core player / possible starter one day out of it. With a team with so many needs, that had 3 top 50 picks to address said needs, this is exactly the kind of draft that keeps you an epic bottom feeder.

Fritz88
04-25-2010, 07:33 AM
Like I said before, I wish you were a Broncos fan cause you make awesome highlight tapes with a lot of creativity.

Where would he get the content from though?

Von Dumbass
04-25-2010, 07:50 AM
Where would he get the content from though?

Since he didn't bust he would have a bunch of Tebow highlights to choose from.;)

OctoberFart
04-25-2010, 12:51 PM
No KC still is at the bottom by a long shot in my opinion. Denver and Oakland will battle for second and KC will struggle to win 4 games. Denver and Oakland both had good drafts.

TheGuardian
04-25-2010, 01:04 PM
With competent QB play the Raiders are a 7-9 win team. Being the 2nd team in this division is not an accomplishment.

No they are not. Their running backs suck, their front 7 is worse than ours, their coach is a fukcing moron, and they have shit WR's. But somehow Jason fukcing Campbell is going to put that team in the right direction? Hell no.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-25-2010, 01:06 PM
How are we going to defend the run or get a pass rush?

Oh no, the sky is still falling.

OctoberFart
04-25-2010, 01:24 PM
No they are not. Their running backs suck, their front 7 is worse than ours, their coach is a fukcing moron, and they have shit WR's. But somehow Jason fukcing Campbell is going to put that team in the right direction? Hell no.

Yes. Average QB is a huge up grade from a big turd.

TheGuardian
04-25-2010, 02:00 PM
Of course it is. However that o-line still sucks, the backs suck, the WR's suck. The front 7 on defense sucks, and outside of Nnamdi the back 4 sucks (huff having a string of games early doesn't exclude him from being a bust thus far). That team sucks for a reason.

KC Jones
04-25-2010, 02:40 PM
I think we're still in contention for 3rd, but anything beyond that will mean the coaching staff changes made an unbelievably HUGE difference. It would take them turning DJ, Albert, Smith/Edwards, Studebaker/Sheffield, Mays/Williams and O'Callaghan/Ndukwe into average or better starters for us to be competitive for the division.

mcaj22
04-25-2010, 02:43 PM
we have by far the worst front 7 in the AFC West and anyone who thinks differently is an idiot.

PatriotReign
04-25-2010, 03:12 PM
I think the Chiefs just sunk to the bottom of the division. Besides Jamaal Charles, Brandon Flowers, and hopefully Berry, we have very few superstars. We might even pick number one overall. I don't see a team with a more inferior roster than us.

Thomas Jones is a beast. KC has a top RB trio.

Pawnmower
04-25-2010, 03:14 PM
According to the oddsmakers, the Chargers are #1, the Donks are a clear #2, and the Gayders and Chefs are at the bottom fighting for 3.

PatriotReign
04-25-2010, 03:17 PM
No KC still is at the bottom by a long shot in my opinion. Denver and Oakland will battle for second and KC will struggle to win 4 games. Denver and Oakland both had good drafts.

There is no way.

Oakland is a mess. Campbell has to come in and learn a new system. If he struggles - and he will - its back to musical QBs and Fatty Russell.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-28-2010, 03:01 PM
Now Weis and Crennel may be good coor coordinators, but they better damn well be fucking miricle workers with the shit that Pioli is giving them.

QFT.

No KC still is at the bottom by a long shot in my opinion. Denver and Oakland will battle for second and KC will struggle to win 4 games. Denver and Oakland both had good drafts.

Do you ever stop shitting out of your Al Davis cock-holster?
Die in fire.

There is no way.



Neg rep for the username. n00b-Englanders swallow choad.

kitten_mittons
04-28-2010, 08:59 PM
Complete moron started this thread.

Denver is still better than KC and Oakland by at least 2 games.

boogblaster
04-28-2010, 09:11 PM
In truth, all four are a cluster ....

WildTurkey
04-28-2010, 09:12 PM
Complete moron started this thread.

Denver is still better than KC and Oakland by at least 2 games.

Did you not see how denver ended last season? That is not a team on the rise.... Oakland and KC are sitting better than Denver for next season

Marcellus
04-28-2010, 09:14 PM
In truth, all four are a cluster ....

This.

chiefzilla1501
04-28-2010, 09:18 PM
So far, the only guy that came away from the New England tree that has shown that he has an idea of WTF he's doing is Thomas Dimitroff in Atlanta.

Everyone else who has lighted ut on their own as a HC or a GM has either proven a failure already, or look like dumbasses so far.

Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Scott Pioli and Josh McDaniels are making Bill Belichick look more like a genius everyday.

Now Weis and Crennel may be good coor coordinators, but they better damn well be ****ing miricle workers with the shit that Pioli is giving them.

I don't understand what there is to be critical about, in terms of the 2010 offseason. Between free agency and the draft, this team undoubtedly improved. I can understand if you're not doing cartwheels over them. But I don't understand how you can say it was that bad.

listopencil
04-28-2010, 09:19 PM
and last but not least.........

Broncos - im sure all of the bronco fans know exactly what im going to start with here.... Jay cutler,tony scheffler, Brandon Marshall....... I still to this day do not understand your coaches thinking in trading away THREE franchise players. i dont care if he didn't like the way they acted, they where better at their position then anything else you have on your roster right now. Josh Mcdaniels might as well have hit the reset button on your franchise. you know how for the last 6 to 7 years chiefs fans have felt while having to endure the laugh fest that is Herm Edwards and Carl Peterson as the HC/GM and everyone wanted to give us UN-godly amounts of shit for it? well guess what......... now its your turn. at the rate MCfistPump is going you wont make it to the playoffs for another 15 to 20 years, and while i will give ST. Tebow props for being a person with Morals and a mission in life and a devout Christian...... you drafted him 25TH overall?????? WTF!@$^%@# are you thinking you took a potential 3rd rounder over a whole secound round full of first round talent:facepalm::clap:. congratulations you and the jags might tie for the worst first round draft choice of the year, but i think you might actually win something this time.


Awesome. I'll bookmark this post because it's going to come back to bite you in the ass.

Valiant
04-28-2010, 09:20 PM
Someone else said it..

The whole division will suck.. SD is moving backwards, Denver moved backwards(even if their homer fans do not want to admit it) And KC and Oak got mildly better.. Unless one team goes on a eight game tear and does not look back I am guessing only a 3-4 game spread from 1st to last in our division.. SD 11-5, Oak 8-8, Den and KC 7-9..

listopencil
04-28-2010, 09:21 PM
If Tebow becomes a bust I will leave this forum forever.


Oh come on. Don't go out like a bitch. If he sucks, stick around and take your ration of shit like a man.

kitten_mittons
04-28-2010, 09:23 PM
Did you not see how denver ended last season? That is not a team on the rise.... Oakland and KC are sitting better than Denver for next season

Did you see how Indy ended last season? The only team that ended the season good was the Saints. Completely redic to think the Chiefs or Oakland's talent is anywhere near Denver's.

kitten_mittons
04-28-2010, 09:25 PM
Someone else said it..

The whole division will suck.. SD is moving backwards, Denver moved backwards(even if their homer fans do not want to admit it) And KC and Oak got mildly better.. Unless one team goes on a eight game tear and does not look back I am guessing only a 3-4 game spread from 1st to last in our division.. SD 11-5, Oak 8-8, Den and KC 7-9..

Chiefs did not get better. Neither did Oakland.

Valiant
04-28-2010, 09:27 PM
Did you see how Indy ended last season? The only team that ended the season good was the Saints. Completely redic to think the Chiefs or Oakland's talent is anywhere near Denver's.

I would say Oakland has a better squad then Denver.. Hell for not for Jafatass, they would have had a better record then your amazing 8-8..

chiefzilla1501
04-28-2010, 09:28 PM
Sorry to say you're spot on with your assessment. Pioli is the worst of the lot because he was supposed to be the best. Going into the draft, talent wise, the Chiefs were clearly at the bottom of the division. This draft does absolutely nothing to improve that standing as they got only 1 sure starter and one other core player / possible starter one day out of it. With a team with so many needs, that had 3 top 50 picks to address said needs, this is exactly the kind of draft that keeps you an epic bottom feeder.

What was bad about the draft? The point is to get better, right?

After the draft, the Chiefs are better at:
++Pass defense (add Berry and Arenas at nickel corner vs. Mike Brown and Donald Washington)
++Limiting the big play (Berry vs. Brown)
++Third down defense (Berry/Arenas vs. Brown/Washington)
+Third down offense (McCluster in the slot, at RB, as a pass protector)
++Slot underneath routes plus YAC (McCluster vs. Wade or Lance Long)
++Run blocking (Moeaki vs. Pope)
+Pass protection (McCluster as a RB, Moeaki as an extra Tight End vs. any of our TEs)
+Ability to feature a TE in the passing game (Moeaki vs. Cottam/O'Connell/Ryan)
+++Return game (Arenas/McCluster vs. Wade/Lawrence)

And that's excluding Asamoah, who has a very good chance of contributing maybe as soon as this year. Kendrick Lewis, who can't be any worse than what we have and if you believe Pioli on the 40 time, could be at least a serviceable starter. Sheffield, I don't know about.

I don't understand why people are pissed at the draft. Maybe not the A+ like Gosselin said. But did we get better? We sure as shit did.

Der Flöprer
04-28-2010, 09:29 PM
I'm really looking forward to Denver winning 5 games this year.

Valiant
04-28-2010, 09:31 PM
Chiefs did not get better. Neither did Oakland.

I would say put your money where your mouth is.. But you obviously do not know shit about football and only have homer-centric tendencies..

Marcellus
04-28-2010, 09:31 PM
Chiefs did not get better. Neither did Oakland.

Damn you are the stupid.

kitten_mittons
04-28-2010, 09:38 PM
Damn you are the stupid.

Yeah, all the Chiefs fans say this every year at this time, then november comes and it's a different story. Look, chiefs need to be able to score, look.

Crappy oline cannot protect crappy qb, crappy qb cannot get ball to crappy WR, crappy passing game = crappy running game.

No pressure from front 7 that is the worst in the AFC west, doesn't matter how "awesome" your DB's (that haven't played a snap in the nfl) are. Charlie Weiss and Romeo aren't going to make your crappy players play less crappy. And I'm the homer. . .

HerculesRockefell
04-28-2010, 09:39 PM
What Chiefs players start for the Broncos?
2 caveats:
1. All players are healthy
2. No position switches, i.e. Albert wouldn't start over Clady at LT, but I think he's better than Harris at RT.

chiefzilla1501
04-28-2010, 09:45 PM
Yeah, all the Chiefs fans say this every year at this time, then november comes and it's a different story. Look, chiefs need to be able to score, look.

Crappy oline cannot protect crappy qb, crappy qb cannot get ball to crappy WR, crappy passing game = crappy running game.

No pressure from front 7 that is the worst in the AFC west, doesn't matter how "awesome" your DB's (that haven't played a snap in the nfl) are. Charlie Weiss and Romeo aren't going to make your crappy players play less crappy. And I'm the homer. . .

Umm... what?

Nobody expected anything last year. And the year before that, everyone knew it was a rebuild. Even this year, nobody's saying the Chiefs will win 8 games.

We're saying we'll win 6 or 7. And that will probably be better than Denver.

Marcellus
04-28-2010, 09:48 PM
Yeah, all the Chiefs fans say this every year at this time, then november comes and it's a different story. Look, chiefs need to be able to score, look.

Crappy oline cannot protect crappy qb, crappy qb cannot get ball to crappy WR, crappy passing game = crappy running game.

No pressure from front 7 that is the worst in the AFC west, doesn't matter how "awesome" your DB's (that haven't played a snap in the nfl) are. Charlie Weiss and Romeo aren't going to make your crappy players play less crappy. And I'm the homer. . .

First off your comment was KC hasn't improved. They have. In what way has Denver improved? When do you expect your 1st round pick to contribute? When will you make up for the loss of Sheffler and Marshall?

Crappy running game with Charles who ran for a KC record against your defense? Now with Jones who ran for 1600 yards last year.

O-line - Added Lilja and Weigman who is an upgrade as you know.

Receivers - 2 potential 1,000 yard guys in Chambers and Bowe. Bowe has done it befoe and Chambers certainly could. Add McCluster for some explosive potential.

The front 7 is still a concern for sure but Berry makes the defense instantly better.


What did Denver do again to have immediate impact on their 2-6 finish besides trade their best player for the second year in a row?

Marcellus
04-28-2010, 09:49 PM
What Chiefs players start for the Broncos?
2 caveats:
1. All players are healthy
2. No position switches, i.e. Albert wouldn't start over Clady at LT, but I think he's better than Harris at RT.

Clady wasn't better than Albert the end of last year, he was worse.

alanm
04-28-2010, 09:49 PM
What was bad about the draft? The point is to get better, right?

After the draft, the Chiefs are better at:
++Pass defense (add Berry and Arenas at nickel corner vs. Mike Brown and Donald Washington)
++Limiting the big play (Berry vs. Brown)
++Third down defense (Berry/Arenas vs. Brown/Washington)
+Third down offense (McCluster in the slot, at RB, as a pass protector)
++Slot underneath routes plus YAC (McCluster vs. Wade or Lance Long)
++Run blocking (Moeaki vs. Pope)
+Pass protection (McCluster as a RB, Moeaki as an extra Tight End vs. any of our TEs)
+Ability to feature a TE in the passing game (Moeaki vs. Cottam/O'Connell/Ryan)
+++Return game (Arenas/McCluster vs. Wade/Lawrence)

And that's excluding Asamoah, who has a very good chance of contributing maybe as soon as this year. Kendrick Lewis, who can't be any worse than what we have and if you believe Pioli on the 40 time, could be at least a serviceable starter. Sheffield, I don't know about.

I don't understand why people are pissed at the draft. Maybe not the A+ like Gosselin said. But did we get better? We sure as shit did.I don't know how you can assess their performance as pros yet seeing as how they have yet to step on the practice field for the first time.

HerculesRockefell
04-28-2010, 09:53 PM
Clady wasn't better than Albert the end of last year, he was worse.

So Clady and Albert were both 1st Team All Pros last year?

Clady is at worst a Top 3 LT with Joe Thomas and Jake Long. Albert isn't even discussed as one of the better LTs in the league.

Call people stupid all you want, but that's an idiotic statement.

Marcellus
04-28-2010, 10:00 PM
So Clady and Albert were both 1st Team All Pros last year?

Clady is at worst a Top 3 LT with Joe Thomas and Jake Long. Albert isn't even discussed as one of the better LTs in the league.

Call people stupid all you want, but that's an idiotic statement.

Players earn accolades due to play at periods of time. Just like probowls.That doesn't mean they played well the whole season.

I am not saying Clady sucks by any stretch. I am just looking at who lead the league in rushing the last 8 games and who played better towards the end. It wasn't Denver.

Clady couldn't even handle Hali worth a shit at the end of the year even when he was holding and Hali isn't a premier player.

kitten_mittons
04-28-2010, 10:07 PM
Clady wasn't better than Albert the end of last year, he was worse.

In what world do you live in that Brandon Albert (yes the one that people wanted to move to the other side of the line) is better than Ryan Clady (yes, the pro-bowler, that is near the top of the list of best LT's)

And every year. . .every freaking year, the chiefs fans tell me how much better they will be because of so and so draft pick. Here's a tip that you may know after watching one year of NFL football. Not all draft picks pan out. In fact, most of them will not reach their pre-draft potential. Chiefs fans of all people should know that. Remember when Tyson Jackson was going to destroy everyone and make the Chiefs defense instantly better? Didn't happen. Same thing with dorsey. Like I said, complete morons.

Flachief58
04-28-2010, 10:07 PM
I'm thinking that for this coming year, the chargers will eek out the division, the donkeys & :arrow: will battle it out for 2nd & 3rd place and the faiders will regain their rightful place at the bottom of our division. Next year the chiefs will be in position to contend for the best in the west, whereas the other 3 will be fighting for the highest draft pick in 2012. :)

kitten_mittons
04-28-2010, 10:09 PM
I'm thinking that for this coming year, the chargers will eek out the division, the donkeys & :arrow: will battle it out for 2nd & 3rd place and the faiders will regain their rightful place at the bottom of our division. Next year the chiefs will be in position to contend for the best in the west, whereas the other 3 will be fighting for the highest draft pick in 2012. :)

So you think the AFC west will have picks 1-4 in 2012?

Marcellus
04-28-2010, 10:10 PM
In what world do you live in that Brandon Albert (yes the one that people wanted to move to the other side of the line) is better than Ryan Clady (yes, the pro-bowler, that is near the top of the list of best LT's)

And every year. . .every freaking year, the chiefs fans tell me how much better they will be because of so and so draft pick. Here's a tip that you may know after watching one year of NFL football. Not all draft picks pan out. In fact, most of them will not reach their pre-draft potential. Chiefs fans of all people should know that. Remember when Tyson Jackson was going to destroy everyone and make the Chiefs defense instantly better? Didn't happen. Same thing with dorsey. Like I said, complete morons.

Again, take the Albert argument out of it. What did you guys do to improve on your 2-6 finish?

Chief Faithful
04-28-2010, 10:17 PM
Again, take the Albert argument out of it. What did you guys do to improve on your 2-6 finish?

The last 10 games the Chiefs were better (4-6 vs 2-8).

Marcellus
04-28-2010, 10:20 PM
The last 10 games the Chiefs were better (4-6 vs 2-8).

Yes,yet we got worse and Denver somehow got better.Even after they drafted Tebow in the 1st and traded Marshall and Sheffler. :rolleyes:

Flachief58
04-28-2010, 10:22 PM
So you think the AFC west will have picks 1-4 in 2012?
Probably, because the donkeys will have traded away anyone with an inkling of talent for another pick they can piss away ROFL ROFL

chiefzilla1501
04-28-2010, 10:23 PM
I don't know how you can assess their performance as pros yet seeing as how they have yet to step on the practice field for the first time.

Those are projections, but most of them aren't hard to make, given that in most of those things, we're upgrading from "horrendous."

Saying we'll be able to, for example, do better at the underneath routes/screens/quick hitches than Wade/Long isn't that hard to do.

chiefhawk1
04-28-2010, 10:44 PM
Why most people keep saying we have the worst front 7 on defense in the division puzzles me. We weren't great last year at all, but we also had a rookie and a 2nd year player starting. Are they supposed to be pro-bowl level then?! They will improve and get better with experience and coaching. Dorsey's and Jackson's improvement will only free up and help the backers. I'm not saying the front 7 will be great, but they will be a lot better than what some of you are making it out to be.

KCrockaholic
04-28-2010, 11:36 PM
I don't know who this Kitten guy is, but he is the biggest dumbfuck since that Motorcycle dude. It's almost not worth arguing with him.....What was that douchebags name???

Tombstone RJ
04-28-2010, 11:41 PM
Clady wasn't better than Albert the end of last year, he was worse.

:rolleyes:

KCrockaholic
04-28-2010, 11:46 PM
In all honesty, although Donk fans won't admit it, Clady was nothing compared to Albert in the last 6 games of the season.

Actually Albert was right on par with Clady if you want to look closely at the entire season. The ONLY reason Clady made the pro bowl was because he should have gone his rookie season but was snubbed.

splatbass
04-29-2010, 02:14 AM
Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Scott Pioli and Josh McDaniels are making Bill Belichick look more like a genius everyday.


How many SBs has Belichick won without Crennel and Weis?

ClevelandBronco
04-29-2010, 02:25 AM
How many SBs has Belichick won without Crennel and Weis?

You can play that game all day long.

How many SBs has Belichick won without Crennel and Weis?

How many SBs did Parcells win without Belichick?

Or:

How many did Shanahan win without Elway?

How many did Elway win without Terrell Davis?

You could probably eventually show that Kevin Bacon is actually the common factor to every SB win.

kitten_mittons
04-29-2010, 10:38 AM
Again, take the Albert argument out of it. What did you guys do to improve on your 2-6 finish?

Never said denver got way better, but what did we do during the season to get worse on our 6-0 start? Exactly. Now the Chiefs didn't do enough to pass denver, and denver didn't get bad enough to be worse than KC.

Garcia Bronco
04-29-2010, 10:43 AM
Awwwe shit....did we lose the off-season Super Bowl again?

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 11:01 AM
I dont get why people are writing of Tebow so easily.

Not only has he proven that hes a winner and that hes determined and that he has good leadership skills, but he probably was drafted by one of the better young QB coaches in the league.

Not saying that he will definitely be good, but I'm not writing him off yet.

Ken Dorsey was a winner and he didn't play the position like a FB...

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 11:02 AM
You can play that game all day long.

How many SBs has Belichick won without Crennel and Weis?

How many SBs did Parcells win without Belichick?

Or:

How many did Shanahan win without Elway?

How many did Elway win without Terrell Davis?

You could probably eventually show that Kevin Bacon is actually the common factor to every SB win.

Rep.

Exactly.

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 11:03 AM
What Chiefs players start for the Broncos?
2 caveats:
1. All players are healthy
2. No position switches, i.e. Albert wouldn't start over Clady at LT, but I think he's better than Harris at RT.

what player on the Broncos is better than Jamaal Charles?

OctoberFart
04-29-2010, 11:07 AM
I love the excuse making and the trying to project the queeefs success this board does in the offseason. Some things never change KC fans projecting and KC in the cellar of the division.

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 11:11 AM
well my main concern is...

with all of these captains...

who is OUR team captain now?

HerculesRockefell
04-29-2010, 12:29 PM
what player on the Broncos is better than Jamaal Charles?

On the team, or at RB? Dawkins, Bailey, DJ, Dumervil, Harris, and Clady for sure at their respective positions compared to him at RB.

and Charles is one of the few Chiefs I would pencil in as a starter in Denver.

Now what about the rest of the team? I've asked it twice in this thread and no one has touched it yet. You can always find a single player (for the most part) that will start for any team, but I'm talking about the entire lineup. It gives a decent talent comparison. More Broncos than Chiefs, and they're probably a more talented team, and vice versa if more Chiefs start.

KCrockaholic
04-29-2010, 12:31 PM
well my main concern is...

with all of these captains...

who is OUR team captain now?

Easy. Vrabel, Colquitt, and Waters.

KCrockaholic
04-29-2010, 12:33 PM
I sucked JaMarcus Russell's fat hairy cock.

gross.

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 12:41 PM
On the team, or at RB? Dawkins, Bailey, DJ, Dumervil, Harris, and Clady for sure at their respective positions compared to him at RB.

and Charles is one of the few Chiefs I would pencil in as a starter in Denver.

Now what about the rest of the team? I've asked it twice in this thread and no one has touched it yet. You can always find a single player (for the most part) that will start for any team, but I'm talking about the entire lineup. It gives a decent talent comparison. More Broncos than Chiefs, and they're probably a more talented team, and vice versa if more Chiefs start.

out of all of those Broncos you just listed...

Dumervil is the only one that MAY have more value than Charles and Dumervil is the only one I'd really want on the Chiefs at this point.

Clady/Albert = wash.

DJ is vastly overrated...he is nothing. A never was.

Don't care about Harris...and Bailey/Dawkins = interchangeable veterans.

I'm not jealous of Denver ONE bit...

They are like the Bears...I actually feel bad for Bears fans (and I know a lot of them) and I'm a Chiefs fan for crying out loud.

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 12:42 PM
The Chiefs have more talent than the Broncos...and I say that with 100% confident...the Broncos suck and will continue to suck...McWreckingBall

KCrockaholic
04-29-2010, 01:00 PM
Donk fans really are some of the dumbest people on earth. I know this because I live in Colorado Springs and everyday I see them doing shit like their head is up their ass, on a daily basis. I mean, maybe it's just people out here in general....But usually when I see them they are doing something like this...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:n6z2gi4Moa_njM:http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u308/brentgoldsmith/retarded-kid-edited.jpg

Or this...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:MiYrTQjO9nLm1M:http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/9357/0%2520farmer%2520fan.jpg

I Ar Bronko fan!1!

ClevelandBronco
04-29-2010, 01:05 PM
Donk fans really are some of the dumbest people on earth. I know this because I live in Colorado Springs and everyday I see them doing shit like their head is up their ass, on a daily basis. I mean, maybe it's just people out here in general....But usually when I see them they are doing something like this...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:n6z2gi4Moa_njM:http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u308/brentgoldsmith/retarded-kid-edited.jpg

Or this...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:MiYrTQjO9nLm1M:http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/9357/0%2520farmer%2520fan.jpg

I Ar Bronko fan!1!

You are slowly being assimilated.

It's inevitable.

Resistance is futile.

KCrockaholic
04-29-2010, 01:14 PM
You are slowly being assimilated.

It's inevitable.

Resistance is futile.

Nothing wrong with throwing shit if your gonna hang around on our board.

Taco John
04-29-2010, 01:15 PM
I love how the Detroit Lions of the AFC constantly have something to say about the Denver Broncos.

vailpass
04-29-2010, 01:18 PM
The Chiefs have more talent than the Broncos...and I say that with 100% confident...the Broncos suck and will continue to suck...McWreckingBall

:LOL: I love you guys, I really do.

vailpass
04-29-2010, 01:19 PM
Nothing wrong with throwing shit if your gonna hang around on our board.

Nothing wrong with taking shit if your gonna' hang around our state.

KCrockaholic
04-29-2010, 01:24 PM
Nothing wrong with taking shit if your gonna' hang around our state.

My IQ in Kansas City was 120. Now after living here for 4 years I'm down to 89. The thin air gets to you fast out here. It makes you fall into a certain level of stupid that even you can't seem to figure out how to get out of.

Ugly Duck
04-29-2010, 02:09 PM
Oakland is a mess. Campbell has to come in and learn a new system. If he struggles - and he will - its back to musical QBs and Fatty Russell.

You think Campbell is worse than Russell? Dude... the Hut was rated the #32 QB only because that's the lowest rating they could give him. Every QB in the league outplayed that worthless blob. Its not possible to be worse than he. OK... Ryan Leaf was worse - but we'd give even him a shot in training camp with Russell on the roster.

Ugly Duck
04-29-2010, 02:18 PM
But somehow Jason fukcing Campbell is going to put that team in the right direction? Hell no.

I agree. Its not the addition of Campbell that puts us in the right direction. Its the subtraction of the worst QB in the NFL.

vailpass
04-29-2010, 02:23 PM
My IQ in Kansas City was 120. Now after living here for 4 years I'm down to 89. The thin air gets to you fast out here. It makes you fall into a certain level of stupid that even you can't seem to figure out how to get out of.

LMAO

It's a beautiful state though isn't it, all football allegiances to the side?

KCrockaholic
04-29-2010, 02:26 PM
LMAO

It's a beautiful state though isn't it, all football allegiances to the side?

Football aside, yes, not bad. I live closer to the desert than nice areas like Estes Park. Colorado Springs is a shit hole. I actually put Denver way above the springs. The further west you go, the better is seems to get though...

HerculesRockefell
04-29-2010, 02:47 PM
14 offensive tackles received All Pro votes this year.

Brandon Albert received exactly 0 votes.

Ryan Clady received 30 votes, 12 more than the next closest tackle, and is at worst considered a Top 3 tackle with Thomas and Long.

Until Albert is even discussed as an above average tackle in league circles, he and Ryan Clady are not washes, as much as Chiefs fans want to wish they were.

KCrockaholic
04-29-2010, 02:52 PM
14 offensive tackles received All Pro votes this year.

Brandon Albert received exactly 0 votes.

Ryan Clady received 30 votes, 12 more than the next closest tackle, and is at worst considered a Top 3 tackle with Thomas and Long.

Until Albert is even discussed as an above average tackle in league circles, he and Ryan Clady are not washes, as much as Chiefs fans want to wish they were.

You need to look closer at the stats rather than just who was voted as an all-pro. Like I've said, him going to the pro bowl was because the NFL screwed up not sending him his rookie year. His 2nd year was nothing to be excited about.

ClevelandBronco
04-29-2010, 03:05 PM
You need to look closer at the stats rather than just who was voted as an all-pro. Like I've said, him going to the pro bowl was because the NFL screwed up not sending him his rookie year. His 2nd year was nothing to be excited about.

Whatever your opinion, you seem to be confusing All-Pro and Pro Bowl appearances. They aren't synonymous.

kitten_mittons
04-29-2010, 03:05 PM
Clady/albert isn't a wash to anyone who isn't a chiefs fan. Seriously, ask ANYONE. Dawkins/Bailey, DJ Williams, Elvis Dumervil, Eddie Royal, Jamal Williams, Ryan Harris, all start for the Chiefs, also, Brady Quinn and Matt Cassel are about on the same level.

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 03:41 PM
I would say Kyle Orton and Matt Cassel are probably on the same level..

Brady Quinn isn't on anyone's level...he has never had any NFL success.

Cassel and Orton both have...and at this point, aren't answers to anything for their respective teams.

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 03:43 PM
and if we're going to play that game then Dorsey/Jackson/Hali/Flowers/Berry/Bowe/Charles/Thomas Jones and perhaps our EXCITING playmaking rookies (McCluster/Arenas) would all be upgrades for the Broncos and that's not even talking about offensive lines...which I think right now are probably a push...or QB's...which right now is probably a push.

KCrockaholic
04-29-2010, 03:47 PM
and if we're going to play that game then Dorsey/Jackson/Hali/Flowers/Berry/Bowe/Charles/Thomas Jones and perhaps our EXCITING playmaking rookies (McCluster/Arenas) would all be upgrades for the Broncos and that's not even talking about offensive lines...which I think right now are probably a push...or QB's...which right now is probably a push.

It's really not worth explaining it to them or trying to make them believe this.

I agree with all that except for TJax.

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 03:49 PM
you don't think the #3 draft pick in the 2009 draft would start for a team that uses the same scheme?

I know people are disgusted with that pick...but it's pretty early to write him off as a waste of a roster space.

KCrockaholic
04-29-2010, 03:51 PM
you don't think the #3 draft pick in the 2009 draft would start for a team that uses the same scheme?

I know people are disgusted with that pick...but it's pretty early to write him off as a waste of a roster space.

Nah not really. Not at this point anyways. Maybe 3 years down the road, sure.

I don't hate Tyson Jackson. But I don't like him either. If he wants to become a solid 5-Tech I will support him, but I will never support the selection of him.

Dave Lane
04-29-2010, 04:52 PM
Berry is not an A+++++ I'd give the pick an A but we have NO idea how he will perform or if injury or anything else will derail his future.

HerculesRockefell
04-29-2010, 04:55 PM
and if we're going to play that game then Dorsey/Jackson/Hali/Flowers/Berry/Bowe/Charles/Thomas Jones and perhaps our EXCITING playmaking rookies (McCluster/Arenas) would all be upgrades for the Broncos and that's not even talking about offensive lines...which I think right now are probably a push...or QB's...which right now is probably a push.

Dorsey- no
Hali- ahhhh, Dumervil?
Flowers- not when Bailey/Goodman is one of the best starting tandems in the league right now
Berry- when he plays a down, probably, but again secondary is not an issue in Denver and Dawkins/Hill is one of the better starting tandems. We'll see in Week 6 after everyone's had a chance to see how much of an impact he'll make as a rookie. I would be more than willing to concede Berry, once the games start for real.
Bowe- yep
Charles- yep
Jones- yep

OL is not a push. You fucking wish. Wiegman starts and that's about it. Clady is not a push like you guys think, Harris is one of the best RTs in the league, and Kuper has given up .5 sacks over the past 2 seasons. Seriously, you guys gave up 45 sacks last year and had the 25th ranked offense. Keep fucking dreaming.

QB- Cassel was 24th in passer rating and looked like shit last year, you can aruge McD's boy all you want, but Orton was middle of the pack. So no, Cassel doesn't start over Orton.

Your rookies aren't upgrades at where they'd be. Thomas > McCluster

I give you: Charles/Jones at RB, Bowe, and Wiegman would start on Denver's offense, and maybe Berry down the line starts in the secondary if he comes in and starts taking names right off the bat.

vailpass
04-29-2010, 04:55 PM
and if we're going to play that game then Dorsey/Jackson/Hali/Flowers/Berry/Bowe/Charles/Thomas Jones and perhaps our EXCITING playmaking rookies (McCluster/Arenas) would all be upgrades for the Broncos and that's not even talking about offensive lines...which I think right now are probably a push...or QB's...which right now is probably a push.

Those players you just named except for the rooks have produced some of the largest piles of steaming shit in the league for the last few years. That you can somehow be homer enough to brag on their talent and think the mention of their names brings anything but laughter is a tribute to the level of your fanhood.
Here's to you Charlie Brown gonna kick that football this year guy.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-29-2010, 05:23 PM
I'm really looking forward to Denver winning 5 games this year.

I'm really looking forward to Teblow in a Donkhole uni.

(Oops; I just pissed myself laughing again!)...:LOL:LMAO

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 05:43 PM
dude...

you guys were worse down the stretch than we were...and we walloped you in Denver week 17...

Just remember that...

dumbfucks

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 05:44 PM
not to mention you guys downgraded your roster this offseason (trading Marshall)...and prize acquisitions of Tebow/Jamaal Williams aren't exactly "scary"...

So...

Congrats.

vailpass
04-29-2010, 05:45 PM
dude...

you guys were worse down the stretch than we were...and we walloped you in Denver week 17...

Just remember that...

dumb****s

I respect your dedication Meat. Can't wait for mini-camps to start. Wish Hard Knocks had a crew on every team in the league so we could see what they are all doing.

HerculesRockefell
04-29-2010, 05:46 PM
dude...

you guys were worse down the stretch than we were...and we walloped you in Denver week 17...

Just remember that...

dumb****s

And the Broncos kicked the shit out of you 3 weeks earlier.

Just remember that.

Dumb shit.

BFD.

Yeah, 1 game dictates it all.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-29-2010, 05:49 PM
And the Broncos kicked the shit out of you 3 weeks earlier.

Just remember that.

Dumb shit.

BFD.

Yeah, 1 game dictates it all.

Bye-bye playoffs 09.

Sincerely,
KCC

ClevelandBronco
04-29-2010, 05:57 PM
...Charles/Jones at RB, Bowe, and Wiegman would start on Denver's offense, and maybe Berry down the line starts in the secondary if he comes in and starts taking names right off the bat.

Bowe would start for the Broncos and then we'd be the ones screaming to each other about what a disappointment he is on the one hand and defending him against rival fans on the other.

ClevelandBronco
04-29-2010, 05:58 PM
I'm really looking forward to Teblow in a Donkhole uni.

Me too. Should be interesting.

vailpass
04-29-2010, 06:04 PM
Me too. Should be interesting.

Not me. I wish we had Matt "3rd highest paid QB & 3rd string talent" Cassell as our QB.

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 06:06 PM
And the Broncos kicked the shit out of you 3 weeks earlier.

Just remember that.

Dumb shit.

BFD.

Yeah, 1 game dictates it all.

who on your team signifies any sort of HOPE?

Seriously.

Who?

Everything you touch turns to a bust...

and the players that DO develop...you trade away

have fun with Tebow ROFL

We'll be laughing the entire time with Charles/McCluster/Thomas Jones and Eric Berry...

Have fun with Knowblow and a less talented Brandon Marshall (if you're lucky)...

notorious
04-29-2010, 06:10 PM
2-8


3-9


Just two steaming turds sitting on the lawn.

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2010, 06:15 PM
SUCK ON THIS, CHOKE ARTISTS!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300103007

BossChief
04-29-2010, 06:23 PM
Cassel
Bowe
Chambers
McCluster
Moeaki
Jones
Albert
Waters/Lilja
Weigman/Niswanger
Asamough/Harris
Ocal

Much improved if you ask me.

Defense

Dorsey - who is poised for a jump in his third year
_________ - they better get SOMEONE to play well here, our middle linebackers arent good and we need solid production from the nose to help protect them.
Jackson - who is poised for his second year jump
Hali
Mays/Belcher - I think Belcher can be a player, but would prefer a veteran her
DJ - Still waiting for "that guy" we drafted. Williams
Studabaker/Vrabel
Flowers
Berry
Page/Morgan
Carr
*ncb Arenas

Thats not as bad a lineup as some are making it out to be. I think we can be much improved next year if we add a nose guard.

chiefzilla1501
04-29-2010, 06:28 PM
Cassel
Bowe
Chambers
McCluster
Moeaki
Jones
Albert
Waters/Lilja
Weigman/Niswanger
Asamough/Harris
Ocal

Much improved if you ask me.

Defense

Dorsey - who is poised for a jump in his third year
_________ - they better get SOMEONE to play well here, our middle linebackers arent good and we need solid production from the nose to help protect them.
Jackson - who is poised for his second year jump
Hali
Mays/Belcher - I think Belcher can be a player, but would prefer a veteran her
DJ - Still waiting for "that guy" we drafted. Williams
Studabaker/Vrabel
Flowers
Berry
Page/Morgan
Carr
*ncb Arenas

Thats not as bad a lineup as some are making it out to be. I think we can be much improved next year if we add a nose guard.

Call me crazy, but I think you'll see a different starting Safety opposite Berry and I think it could be Kendrick Lewis.

The more I hear about the guy, the more I'm beginning to wonder if it's true that he's a lot faster than he timed. He can't be a whole lot slower than what we have and he's probably a hell of a lot smarter.

Der Flöprer
04-29-2010, 06:31 PM
I love how the Detroit Lions of the AFC constantly have something to say about the Denver Broncos.

Someone has to be in your head to make an ignorant statement like that.

kitten_mittons
04-29-2010, 07:02 PM
I am mentally retarded and this is my opinion. if we're going to play that game then Dorsey/Jackson/Hali/Flowers/Berry/Bowe/Charles/Thomas Jones and perhaps our EXCITING playmaking rookies (McCluster/Arenas) would all be upgrades for the Broncos and that's not even talking about offensive lines...which I think right now are probably a push...or QB's...which right now is probably a push.

Fixed your post.

13and3
04-29-2010, 07:07 PM
I hate the Broncos and was happy to see them let Mike Shanahan go, I knew then things were starting to look up for chiefs fan!

orange
04-29-2010, 07:18 PM
Is 44-24 an ass whoopin'? Or is 44-13 an ass whoopin'?

The difference being - both games will be forgotten in Denver. KC fans will live on that 44-24 for decades.



Do I know my Chiefs Fans or what?!


Bye-bye playoffs 09.

Sincerely,
KCC

SUCK ON THIS, CHOKE ARTISTS!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300103007

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-30-2010, 06:01 PM
Not me. I wish we had Matt "3rd highest paid QB & 3rd string talent" Cassell as our QB.

Considering your current pile of shit, I'd want that too.

kitten_mittons
04-30-2010, 06:09 PM
Considering your current pile of shit, I'd want that too.

I'd rather have Orton than Cassel, and everyone in the NFL except Chiefs fans would agree with me.

I take that back, everyone would agree with me, but Chiefs fans won't admit it.

Marcellus
04-30-2010, 06:13 PM
Bowe would start for the Broncos and then we'd be the ones screaming to each other about what a disappointment he is on the one hand and defending him against rival fans on the other.

YUP. Have to agree with that one.

LaChapelle
04-30-2010, 06:16 PM
Tebow should be on the front of a Friut Loops box by November

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-30-2010, 06:20 PM
I'd rather have Orton than Cassel, and everyone in the NFL except Chiefs fans would agree with me.

I take that back, everyone would agree with me, but Chiefs fans won't admit it.

Oh Kitten, don't you know Father(ROR) knows best?

Now STFU.

'Kay/Thx! :thumb:

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-30-2010, 06:21 PM
Tebow should be on the front of a Watchtower Pamphlet by November

Fxd!

OctoberFart
04-30-2010, 07:15 PM
Anyone have a feeling that Tebow might turn to a legit Q?

Marcellus
04-30-2010, 07:20 PM
Anyone have a feeling that Tebow might turn to a legit Q?

I like the kid I really do, as a person and a competitor. That being said, he will have a long undistinguished career as a back up or below average starter.

You just can't change that much about his style of play without making him try to be a square peg in a round hole to make it work.

OctoberFart
04-30-2010, 07:24 PM
I like the kid I really do, as a person and a competitor. That being said, he will have a long undistinguished career as a back up or below average starter.

You just can't change that much about his style of play without making him try to be a square peg in a round hole to make it work.

The knock on him is his long delivery that is pretty much it. As far as the athletic stuff I didn't realize outside of top end 40 speed he was just as good at everything else as the top RB's, WR's, and CB's at the combine. You can change mechanics with enough work and dedication. The drills they showed on Sportscenter today showed his shortened delivery. Kind of like taking golf lessons it can be retrained. I hope it doesn't work out for the rest of AFC W.

scorpio
04-30-2010, 08:57 PM
Oh Kitten, don't you know Father(ROR) knows best?

Now STFU.

'Kay/Thx! :thumb:

so weird

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-01-2010, 12:14 PM
so weird

You didn't grow up with black and white tv-era reruns on in the summer I'm guessing?

Von Dumbass
05-01-2010, 12:16 PM
Anyone have a feeling that Tebow might turn to a legit Q?

Yes :)

threebag02
05-01-2010, 12:22 PM
Anyone have a feeling that Tebow might turn to a legit QUEER?

knowmo is going to smother tebows nutts

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-01-2010, 12:31 PM
knowmo is going to smother tebows nutts

Yes. This.