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B_Ambuehl
04-24-2010, 04:55 PM
Is Pete Carroll calling all the shots there or is he 2nd in command?

I never really thought too much of Carroll but god damn. If he's calling the shots I give him his due. This is one of the more logical drafts I've seen in ages. They got so much and didn't even have to mortgage anything. It's admirable to see a team run a draft where they don't try to outsmart theirselves, take the obvious deals that are there for the taking at positions of need, and don't try to conform to some kinda outlandish character screening that whittles your draft board down to nothing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 04:57 PM
Agreed 100%.

DaWolf
04-24-2010, 04:57 PM
On the other side of the coin, they better be right about Whitehurst...

Fritz88
04-24-2010, 05:04 PM
On the other side of the coin, they better be right about Whitehurst...

looking at how Pete handled the draft, it's becoming more obvious that he might be right.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:06 PM
You know what is sad?

So many teams are so stupid we sit here and awe at teams that make logical picks. It's amazing how taking the guys you should take will do wonders for you instead of trying to make picks to show you are a super genius.

Fritz88
04-24-2010, 05:12 PM
You know what is sad?

So many teams are so stupid we sit here and awe at teams that make logical picks. It's amazing how taking the guys you should take will do wonders for you instead of trying to make picks to show you are a super genius.

If Piolis scouts spend as much team researching talent as much as they do with character, we would be better off now. Community Service > talent. Fuck me.

Deberg_1990
04-24-2010, 05:12 PM
ROFL


New 49er Taylor Mays Implies Pete Carroll Broke Some Sort of Vague Promise to Draft Him


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2011689057_mays24.html



RENTON — Four years ago, Taylor Mays left Seattle to play for Pete Carroll at USC.

Carroll and the Seahawks passed on a chance to bring him back to his hometown, opting to pick another safety — Earl Thomas of Texas — with the 14th pick of the first round on Thursday.

Mays, who went to Seattle's O'Dea High School, was chosen by San Francisco with the 49th pick, the fifth safety taken in the draft. During a conference call with Bay Area reporters, Mays was asked about Seattle's selection of Thomas.

"It was interesting," he said, according to The Associated Press. "I definitely thought from the relationship that we have, from the things that he had told me about what I needed to be, what the draft process is, things that I needed to do, I felt he told me the complete opposite of the actions that he took, which was definitely alarming.

"There were things he told me I needed to do as a football player versus the actions he took and who he took as a safety. I understand it's a business, but with it being a business, honesty is all I'm asking for."

The main issue for Mays?

Carroll's implication that Mays didn't have anything to worry about entering the draft.

"That my game was OK," Mays said. "That my backpedal was fine, my tackling was fine, it was all the things that I asked, what do I need to work on, what do I need to show all these points? I was kind of led to think I was OK. It is what it is, and I'm so happy to be with the 49ers on the team Ronnie Lott played on."

Carroll was asked about Mays' comments after the conclusion of the third round Friday night.

"Well, first off, I love Taylor," Carroll said. "I love the player that he is, and we were thinking that we would have a terrific chance to get him somewhere."

Carroll said it was the matter of Seattle getting a player it thought would be chosen as high as seventh overall.

"I'd like to pick all my guys, but it just didn't work out," Carroll said. "Unfortunately for Taylor, it was a hard day for him."

A year ago, Mays was projected as a potential top-15 pick had he entered the draft after his junior season.

"His expectations were very, very high," Carroll said, "and mine, too. So I feel for him. But I know what he's going to be like. ... This is a remarkably competitive guy, and prideful, and I'm sure he's got a chip on his shoulder, and it's going to serve him well.

"It's not going to help us in the division."

Fruit Ninja
04-24-2010, 05:13 PM
i thought Pete Carroll is the coach that shouldnt coach at the NFL level. NOw these same guys are saying he's drafting great? Get the fuck outta here.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 05:15 PM
Drafting isn't coaching, dipshit. He's still an awful gameday coach, and I don't know if his style is conducive to the NFL.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 05:15 PM
Is Pete Carroll calling all the shots there or is he 2nd in command?

I never really thought too much of Carroll but god damn. If he's calling the shots I give him his due. This is one of the more logical drafts I've seen in ages. They got so much and didn't even have to mortgage anything. It's admirable to see a team run a draft where they don't try to outsmart theirselves, take the obvious deals that are there for the taking at positions of need, and don't try to conform to some kinda outlandish character screening that whittles your draft board down to nothing.

They drafted the right value in the first 2 rounds. Otherwise, it was just another draft.

They got the job done, but I don't think anyone's going to look at this draft and say they hit a home run. They were just lucky enough to have two marquee picks in a loaded draft.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 05:16 PM
pete knew that earl thomas is going to be just as productive as any safety in this draft, except for berry

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:17 PM
They drafted the right value in the first 2 rounds. Otherwise, it was just another draft.

They got the job done, but I don't think anyone's going to look at this draft and say they hit a home run. They were just lucky enough to have two marquee picks in a loaded draft.

That's more than I can say for our draft.

B_Ambuehl
04-24-2010, 05:19 PM
It's more than just the draft. The acquisitions of Lendale White and Leon Washington for basically nothing were top notch.

Ralphy Boy
04-24-2010, 05:27 PM
They had a great draft. I've been a big fan of Kam Chancellor for a long time and obviously of Tate. McCoy was a good pickup as well.

Taylor Mays is no different, I'm sure, than Jimmy Clausen, Tate, Sam Young & Eric Olsen. I'm sure all of them thought that we'd draft them at some point, but sometimes people hear what they want to.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:08 PM
does anyone think that j.clausen will hold a grudge over weis not picking him up like t.mays is holding over pete carrol. i definately would.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:17 PM
does anyone think that j.clausen will hold a grudge over weis not picking him up like t.mays is holding over pete carrol. i definately would.

Mays and Carroll is more fun though cause they're in the same division.

JD10367
04-24-2010, 08:20 PM
It's pretty simple, people. Carroll has spent the past decade coaching at USC. My God, I'd HOPE he'd know this draft well; he gameplanned against many of the players. This is probably the best draft he'll ever have, due to that familiarity.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:22 PM
two of carrols better moves came through trades, albeit one of them was a former trojan.

chiefs1111
04-24-2010, 08:23 PM
Damn Seattle had an awesome draft

teedubya
04-24-2010, 08:23 PM
I think it would be wise for teams to hire college football coaches as draft consultants. I'd do it.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:26 PM
Taylor Mays and Pat Willis are on the same defense...there's some freakyness to that.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:26 PM
carrol could be wrong on one main spot, that could ruin his whole genius status . . .


charlie whitehurst, he gave a lot for that guy to back up hasselback

JD10367
04-24-2010, 08:27 PM
I think it would be wise for teams to hire college football coaches as draft consultants. I'd do it.

The Patriots' draft yesterday turned into "The University of Florida, Northeast Branch" because Belichick is buddies with Urban Meyer so he knows Meyer's kids and took his advice on them.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:28 PM
Why is NE obsessed with tight ends?

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:29 PM
The Patriots' draft yesterday turned into "The University of Florida, Northeast Branch" because Belichick is buddies with Urban Meyer so he knows Meyer's kids and took his advice on them.

Maybe that's why your drafts have sucked for the last 5 years.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:37 PM
ya, florida prospects havent all panned out that great. harvin did alright last year though

Chiefshrink
04-24-2010, 08:40 PM
i thought Pete Carroll is the coach that shouldnt coach at the NFL level. NOw these same guys are saying he's drafting great? Get the **** outta here.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumb:

JD10367
04-24-2010, 08:41 PM
Maybe that's why your drafts have sucked for the last 5 years.

Or maybe they sucked because Pioli was helping to do them. :D

And he hasn't been taking Florida players.

I'd also disagree that they've "sucked for the last 5 years". Last year's was pretty damn good. '08 was okay, but '07 blew chunks. Decent players, IMO, in bold. Unknowns italicized (injuries).

2009 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 34 Pat Chung DB Oregon
2 40 Ron Brace DT Boston College
2 41 Darius Butler DB Connecticut
2 58 Sebastian Vollmer T Houston
3 83 Brandon Tate WR North Carolina
3 97 Tyrone McKenzie OLB South Florida
4 123 Rich Ohrnberger G Penn State
5 170 George Bussey T Louisville
6 198 Jake Ingram C Hawaii
6 199 Stryker Sulak DE Missouri
6 207 Myron Pryor DT Kentucky
7 232 Julian Edelman WR Kent State
7 234 Darryl Richard DT Georgia Tech

2008 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee
2 62 Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado
3 78 Shawn Crable OLB Michigan
3 94 Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State
4 129 Jonathan Wilhite CB Auburn
5 153 Matt Slater WR UCLA
6 197 Bo Ruud LB Nebraska

2007 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
4 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (Fla.)
5 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State
6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist
6 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame
6 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut State
6 209 Corey Hilliard OT Oklahoma State
7 211 Oscar Lua LB USC
7 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa

2006 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida
3 86 David Thomas TE Texas
4 106 Garrett Mills RB Tulsa
4 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis
5 136 Ryan O'Callaghan T California
6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB Florida
6 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame
6 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska
7 229 Willie Andrews CB Baylor

2005 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 133 James Sanders SAF Fresno State
5 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas
7 230 Matt Cassel QB USC
7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn

But I have no desire to turn this into a Patriots draft debate thread, nor do I think you or anyone really gives a shit. You just said it to try to get a rise out of me, because you're kind of a dick. That's okay, though. My team has won 107 games in the past 9 seasons, so they must be doing just fine without your input or opinion of their methods.

JD10367
04-24-2010, 08:43 PM
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumb:

How he drafted has nothing to do with how he coaches.

When he was a coach with the Patriots and Jets, he sucked balls because he tried to be their buddies. He couldn't handle dealing with grown men who got paid big money. Carroll's methods worked better with college kids. Whether or not he's learned anything (in terms of how to deal with NFL players) remains to be seen.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:45 PM
Terrence Wheatley and Johnathan Wilhite are abominations lol.

Reaper16
04-24-2010, 09:13 PM
I think it would be wise for teams to hire college football coaches as draft consultants. I'd do it.
Why do you need a mult account, Ari?