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Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 05:03 PM
With the Raiders trading for Jason Campbell, and the Broncos having a solid draft that addressed needs at WR and OL, it certainly looks that way.

The Chiefs would have been swept by Oakland last year with better quarterback play.

At this point I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and say the Raiders are not the 2nd best team in the AFC West. The Broncos are a mystery, but at least they don't have a hole on their team like, oh say, the worst front seven in the entire NFL.

Chiefs = AFC West cellar dwellers.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:03 PM
We'll battle it out with Denver for the honor.

PunkinDrublic
04-24-2010, 05:04 PM
Mecca stop hacking in to claythons account.

Old Dog
04-24-2010, 05:05 PM
Yep, we're STILL the worst team in the AFC (not just the AFC West)

Fritz88
04-24-2010, 05:07 PM
It does not need a vote, really. A team that bypasses its most important needs will get fucked the same way they got fucked before.

Flachief58
04-24-2010, 05:08 PM
As long as Al Davis is in charge, I think they'll find a way to suck!

Buck
04-24-2010, 05:10 PM
Maybe Pioli didn't draft Clausen because he wants Locker next year.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 05:11 PM
Maybe Pioli didn't draft Clausen because he wants Locker next year.

Yeah, Pioli drafted all those weapons in a defense-laden draft for Locker....not for Cassel.

BigChiefFan
04-24-2010, 05:17 PM
I predict we have the number one overall pick next year. Average to below average QB, below average O-Line. Average WRs, no depth. NO TEs worthy of a roster spot. Pretty good HBs.
D-line, we have square pegs in round holes and still have no NT worth a damn, to even help the young DEs actually perform. The LBers are under-achievers and over-achievers, not a one of them is above average. We possibly have the weakest LBers in the entire NFL. One. We have ONE CB, worthy of praise, the other is 5th round over-achiever, who isn't the solution. Our SS is between a rookie and a rookie FA. Need I go on? Welcome to bottom of the barrel. Hopefully, Clark gets the message and realizes losing COSTS MORE in the long-run. Hope he's prepared to sign a QB, again, after paying out all that money to Cassel. Then we'll still need a NT, WRs, LBers, Corner, etc.

Hog Farmer
04-24-2010, 05:18 PM
I'm liking our draft. Fuck all you naysayers. Everybody bitches about not drafting playmakers and now that we do , you can't be happy and say we failed. I'm tired of this shit.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 05:18 PM
i seriously think we can beat the donkeys twice next year, they are goin in the wrong direction

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:18 PM
I predict we have the number one overall pick next year. Average to below average QB, below average O-Line. Average WRs, no depth. NO TEs worthy of a roster spot. Pretty good HBs.
D-line, we have square pegs in round holes and still have no NT worth a damn, to even help the young DEs actually perform. The LBers are under-achievers and over-achievers, not a one of them is above average. We possibly have the weakest LBers in the entire NFL. One. We have ONE CB, worthy of praise, the other is 5th round over-achiever, who isn't the solution. Our SS is between a rookie and a rookie FA. Need I go on? Welcome to bottom of the barrel. Hopefully, Clark gets the message and realizes losing COSTS MORE in the long-run. Hope he's prepared to sign a QB, again, after paying out all that money to Cassel. Then we'll still need a NT, WRs, LBers, Corner, etc.

If you want another QB, he'll have to fire Pioli.

Gadzooks
04-24-2010, 05:19 PM
Yeah, Pioli drafted all those weapons in a defense-laden draft for Locker....not for Cassel.

I agree. That's probably why.

BigChiefFan
04-24-2010, 05:20 PM
If you want another QB, he'll have to fire Pioli.

Sold. I was in the DeCosta camp anyway. I like Pioli, but I just can't believe how he approached the team and the draft.

Buck
04-24-2010, 05:20 PM
Yeah, Pioli drafted all those weapons in a defense-laden draft for Locker....not for Cassel.

LOL, Weapons.

Mr. Laz
04-24-2010, 05:20 PM
yep ... since the Faiders upgraded their QB

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:21 PM
Sold. I was in the DeCosta camp anyway. I like Pioli, but I just can't believe how he approached the team and the draft.

The way the Patriots have drafted was why I wanted someone from the Ravens or Colts.

Is it really asking to much to have our team be run like Baltimore?

Gadzooks
04-24-2010, 05:21 PM
LOL, Weapons.


Yeah, weapons...ROFL

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:22 PM
LOL, Weapons.

A squirt gun is a weapon.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 05:22 PM
LOL, Weapons.

Well, that's our GM's idea of weapons.

A midget RB turned receiver, a guard, a tight end and a guy to return kicks.

KC Tattoo
04-24-2010, 05:22 PM
I think 9-7 could win our division this year. I don't think the Chargers are going to be as good either, they still have NorveROFL They've been riding curtail from Marty Ball.

I think we picked some good guys in this draft but so did the other teams. It's gonna be a fight to stay in some games but this team will improve. I think the compitition within our division is going to be very intense but no way are we going to be pushed around and be at the bottom. I think we are going to be a real flashy esq team that will surprise many. We may win 6 games this year but we may allso win 8 or 9 games sweep the Shitland Pony's and Faiders and split with Sand Ego. At this point nobody knows what's going to happen, we can just build hope on the players we got in this years draft. Or we could go to the ship!!!

BigChiefFan
04-24-2010, 05:23 PM
Whew a special team weapon for a 2nd round pick. Sounds like the Hunts still pull the strings.

Buck
04-24-2010, 05:24 PM
I think 9-7 could win our division this year. I don't think the Chargers are going to be as good either, they still have NorveROFL They've been riding curtail from Marty Ball.

I think we picked some good guys in this draft but so did the other teams. It's gonna be a fight to stay in some games but this team will improve. I think the compitition within our division is going to be very intense but no way are we going to be pushed around and be at the bottom. I think we are going to be a real flashy esq team that will surprise many. We may win 6 games this year but we may allso win 8 or 9 games sweep the Shitland Pony's and Faiders and split with Sand Ego. At this point nobody knows what's going to happen, we can just build hope on the players we got in this years draft. Or we could go to the ship!!!

You really think with the Chargers having their easiest schedule in YEARS that 9 wins will take the division.

I say 11 at minimum, more than likely 12.

DaneMcCloud
04-24-2010, 05:24 PM
Nope, not even close.

I think with the right combination on the offensive line (Albert/Asamoah/Niswanger/Brown/O'C) and will production from Bowe, Chambers, Charles, McCluster and Jones, the Chiefs offense will be improved considerably, maybe even Top 12. I expect Weis to design plays limiting Cassel's exposure (i.e., plays that won't work for his abilities) and for the running game to be Top Eight.

On defense, I wouldn't be shocked to see both drafted safeties starting with Arenas as the nickel. I expect improvement from Jackson, Magee and Dorsey, along with Belcher and Mays. I'd expect to see even more improvement from Studebaker and with a REAL defensive coordinator and line coach, I think the Chiefs will move into the low 20's if not high teens.

If the ball falls their way a few games and if Arenas is the answer at returner, maybe the Chiefs eek out eight games.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 05:24 PM
Yes, until we can play 60 minutes of football on both sides of the ball.

Yes, until we can win the battle of the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

Yes, until we can consistently make 1st downs.

Yes until we can win more than 10 games in 3 seasons.

IOW Yes until we prove otherwise.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 05:24 PM
I thought we could easily win seven games next year.

Given the improvement of Oakland and teams like SF, Seattle, and Arizona in the draft, I don't think that's a very likely proposition any more.

I think we win five and Denver wins one or two.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:25 PM
Whew a special team weapon for a 2nd round pick. Sounds like the Hunts still pull the strings.

Don't you love drafting gimmick role players to be "playmakers" when the draft board is set up to fill some of our biggest needs with guys who are more than worthy of the picks?

I'll say this again, using our 2nd round picks on the guys we did is like a guy who lives in a box buying a Rolex. Sure it's nice to have a sweet watch but you live in a fucking box.

Lanning
04-24-2010, 05:27 PM
TheRadiers are still going to suck.

Chargers- 11-5
Chiefs- 7-9
Raiders- 6-10
Broncos- 6-10

You guys continuously say how bad the 2nd round was for KC. I'd love to hear what you guys got to say if they both produce... McCluster will get his opportunities as WR and Arenas will be the returner, let's see who's laughing in 9 months

Gadzooks
04-24-2010, 05:27 PM
Don't you love drafting gimmick role players to be "playmakers" when the draft board is set up to fill some of our biggest needs with guys who are more than worthy of the picks?

I'll say this again, using our 2nd round picks on the guys we did is like a guy who lives in a box buying a Rolex. Sure it's nice to have a sweet watch but you live in a ****ing box.

Your watch isn't even that sweet.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:28 PM
Your watch isn't even that sweet.

I'm not going to argue that either.

Gadzooks
04-24-2010, 05:29 PM
Chargers- 11-5
Chiefs- 7-9


ROFLROFLROFLROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 05:29 PM
Our 5th round safety ran a fucking 4.75.

That's the worst 40 time of any safety I can even find in this year's draft.

If he was Barry Church and had another 3 inches and 25 pounds, I could understand that a little more.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:30 PM
We drafted a safety who runs the same 40 Bruce Campbell does, I'm sure he won't be a liability in coverage.

Marcellus
04-24-2010, 05:30 PM
I think believing we got worse after this draft is a little nutty. Last year we drafted fewer potential fast contributors.

I am shaking my head a bit at the lack of adding LB and NT but we did add some quality players and a stud at Safety which in itself could make a decent difference.

We also added Weiss and Romeo which are HUGE upgrades over last year.

Cassel may not light it up but you can bet he will be better, how much is the question.

Charles will start as feature back from day one with Jones behind him. 2 major factors that bode better for next year. Also, Lilja and Weigman are upgrades.

A full year of Chambers and maybe Bowe with his head removed from his asshole.

Dorsey , Jackson, and Hali along with and all our other defensive players having another year in the 3-4 with again better coaching. Again add in Berry.

We should improve, by how many wins, I dunno.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 05:30 PM
Our 5th round safety ran a fucking 4.75.


Yeah but he's faster than our 4.9 OLB.

Marcellus
04-24-2010, 05:30 PM
You really think with the Chargers having their easiest schedule in YEARS that 9 wins will take the division.

I say 11 at minimum, more than likely 12.

I just hope you start slow as usual.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 05:31 PM
Remember what Dilfer said, "This is one of the slowest defenses I've seen in years"?

Well, aside from Berry, where is the speed on this defense?

Arenas isn't a burner. I guarantee you he's no faster than Carr or Washington.

Lewis is a snail
Sheffield is a sloth

Fortunately, we've got other burners on the edge like Tamba Hali and Mike Vrabel, not to mention LBs like Corey Mays and Jovan Belcher who have sideline to sideline range.

Gadzooks
04-24-2010, 05:31 PM
Yeah but he's faster than our 4.9 OLB.


Hell, I could play safety for you guys.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:32 PM
Yeah but he's faster than our 4.9 OLB.

Forget having a fast defense, we're going for having the slowest defense ever.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 05:32 PM
I thought we could easily win seven games next year.

Given the improvement of Oakland and teams like SF, Seattle, and Arizona in the draft, I don't think that's a very likely proposition any more.

I think we win five and Denver wins one or two.


I think you are 100% right. 7-9 was pushing it to me...There were plenty of 'what draft pick do you think we will get in 2011' type of threads where I thought 7-9 would be the worst possible outcome (in terms of a draft pick, best outcome in terms of record). I suppose 7-9 (or slightly better if we get lucky somehow) is still a slim possibility but it is looking more like 5.5 would be the over/under in my mind and a top 10 draft pick should be guaranteed. If the over/under is more than 6.5 I will have to put my money where my mouth is, I guess...

That isn't to say I don't think we are taking steps in the right direction...It just seems they are slower than I would like...But sometimes (I hope) slow and steady steps will build the strongest foundation. I hope so, as it seems to be the strategy (drafting some leader type players etc) of this regime.

FD
04-24-2010, 05:32 PM
I voted for us but Denver could be pretty bad, too. Their defense is going to be a mess and they've gotten rid of all their offensive skill guys.

Lanning
04-24-2010, 05:34 PM
ROFLROFLROFLROFL

You're right let me rephrase that:

Chargers- 6-10
Raiders- 0-14-4 (2 ties vs. Den and KC a piece)
Broncos- 0-14-4
Chiefs- 0-14-4

Is that better? :)

HerculesRockefell
04-24-2010, 05:35 PM
I voted for us but Denver could be pretty bad, too. Their defense is going to be a mess and they've gotten rid of all their offensive skill guys.

Huh? Their defense was 7th in YPG and 12th in PPG, and their DL is better and the entire unit is deeper.

BigChiefFan
04-24-2010, 05:35 PM
Coaches are great, but they don't take the field. We're carting out the same weak ass LBers as we did last year. We still have no NT that can anchor the line. We drafted role-players, minus Berry. The team may have gotten better for depth, unfortunately the draft is about landing STARTERS, so we missed the boat.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 05:36 PM
They should call these fuckers The Blight 53.

Gadzooks
04-24-2010, 05:36 PM
I voted for us but Denver could be pretty bad, too. Their defense is going to be a mess and they've gotten rid of all their offensive skill guys.

Valid point, the Donks sure do suck.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:36 PM
Coaches are great, but they don't take the field. We're carting out the same weak ass LBers as we did last year. We still have no NT that can anchor the line. We drafted role-players, minus Berry. The team may have gotten better for depth, unfortunately the draft is about landing STARTERS, so we missed the boat.

Basically we are not a good enough team to be using 2nd round picks on gimmick players or slot CB return men.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 05:36 PM
Huh? Their defense was 7th in YPG and 12th in PPG, and their DL is better and the entire unit is deeper.

I agree..It would be almost impossible for them to be worse than we were over the last 32 reg. season games...

KC Tattoo
04-24-2010, 05:37 PM
You really think with the Chargers having their easiest schedule in YEARS that 9 wins will take the division.

I say 11 at minimum, more than likely 12.

No I just don't think that the Chargers are going to be that good. Look at Norv Turners career wins loss, I havn't even looked at it but I'm guessing it will all come around. I think the Chargers are going to blew up at least mid season fall short and start pointing fingers, they do just about every year. It's hard to stay on top of a division like they have for the past five years, I think it's time for them to get taken OUT!! Back to reallity of who they are, losers.

Yes I am a Chiefs Homer, but outside looking in, our division is in shambles. With the players we got in this years draft add, Jamaall Charles, Brandon Flowers, better protection up front and I meen Brandon Alberts playing better & Richardson anchoring our RT. We got play makers now and our division is up for grabs. We can take care of business get the job done. Chargers are going down this year I am sure.

Marcellus
04-24-2010, 05:37 PM
Coaches are great, but they don't take the field. We're carting out the same weak ass LBers as we did last year. We still have no NT that can anchor the line. We drafted role-players, minus Berry. The team may have gotten better for depth, unfortunately the draft is about landing STARTERS, so we missed the boat.

The NT thing worries more than LB's. NE consistently won with no name to average LB's. But that was because they had a stud DL.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 05:37 PM
Basically we are not a good enough team to be using 2nd round picks on gimmick players or slot CB return men.

I agree 100%.:stupid:

Old Dog
04-24-2010, 05:37 PM
Yeah but he's faster than our 4.9 OLB.

LOL, I damn near spit Jim Beam on my laptop. This draft has had me drinking since Thursday.....and to think, Thursday it was in celebration.

Rep to you for the funny

Sanka
04-24-2010, 05:38 PM
Im hoping for an 0-16 season, the quicker Pioli fails the quicker shitface will be gone.

Marcellus
04-24-2010, 05:38 PM
I agree..It would be almost impossible for them to be worse than we were over the last 32 reg. season games...

The same defense that was torched by JC for a new Chiefs rushing record?:)

Gadzooks
04-24-2010, 05:38 PM
Basically we are not a good enough team to be using 2nd round picks on gimmick players or slot CB return men.

I agree with this post!

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 05:38 PM
They should call these fuckers The Blight 53.

With our finesse OL and midget squad WRs, we're The Slight 53.

FD
04-24-2010, 05:39 PM
Basically we are not a good enough team to be using 2nd round picks on gimmick players or slot CB return men.

Thats an really interesting take, Mecca. Maybe you should post it on every page of every thread in case somebody is unaware of your opinion.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 05:40 PM
The same defense that was torched by JC for a new Chiefs rushing record?:)

I guess we will see when the over/under is set....

My guess is that the Chiefs have a lower over/under than the donks...I hope I am wrong but...

Preliminary on the AFC champ is donks 33/1, chiefs 75/1 so at leats right now, the donks are favored to do better. ALthough the raiders are also 75/1.....(Chargers 5/1)

https://sportsbook.gamingsys.net/sportsbook/www.sportsbetting.com/getodds.xgi?categoryId=522

orange
04-24-2010, 05:40 PM
You really think with the Chargers having their easiest schedule in YEARS that 9 wins will take the division.

I say 11 at minimum, more than likely 12.

The question will be how many games the Chargers lose at the start before they get serious. Again.

DJ's left nut
04-24-2010, 05:41 PM
Only the new coaching staff will keep us from losing 12 again.

Look at this MFing LB corps. Hell, even the D-Line is still a complete piece of crap.

The O-line is the only thing we really addressed yet completely ignored the fact that Matt Cassel made that line look far worse than it was (again -- 47 sacks in 2009; 16 for Brady in 2010 in 80 more pass attempts). He'll make this year's line look significantly worse as well.

Weis and Crennel are the only shots we've got. The talent on this squad, after 2 offseasons and 2 drafts, is still abysmal.

Thank God the Broncos are almost as stupid as we are. I shudder at how much ground the Broncos could've made on us had they not subscribed to the same dumbfuck "Patriot Way" bullshit that our owners bought.

Old Dog
04-24-2010, 05:43 PM
Only the new coaching staff will keep us from losing 12 again.

so you're guessing 3-13 I assume?

Marcellus
04-24-2010, 05:43 PM
The question will be how many games the Chargers lose at the start before they get serious. Again.

At least the first game. ;)

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 05:44 PM
I'll be the minority, but I liked the draft and like the direction of this team.

This draft told me several things.

1) Glenn Dorsey is going to really play more NT than last year.
2) Derrick Johnson is absolutely starting next year.
3) The secondary is set for the next 5-10 years.
4) Brian Waters might be seeing his last year as a Chief

I'm not thrilled with the 2nd round, but I think those guys are going to help a lot. This team needs athletic players. Carr, Flowers and Arenas is a very good corner combo. Constantly putting Flowers on the slot receivers last year minimized his value on the outside. Now he can just lock up with the #1's.

Berry is going to be a monster as we all expect. He's going to lead, he's going to work his ass off. We have 2 stud playmakers in the secondary now.

The big thing for me is we finally have coaches who will coach up guys. Weis and Crennel are excellent teachers. We haven't had a defensive coordinator with a clue in about 20 years since Cowher left.

I'm really optimistic that we are moving in the right direction.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-24-2010, 05:44 PM
We're not the worst, but I have NO faith in this team until Cassel is gone and the O-line gets younger.

Hog Farmer
04-24-2010, 05:45 PM
Im hoping for an 0-16 season, the quicker Pioli fails the quicker shitface will be gone.

And who will you replace him with you fucking moron !!!!

Gadzooks
04-24-2010, 05:46 PM
The question will be how many games the Chargers lose at the start before they get serious. Again.

You mean how many games until the Beast is awoken? No one is safe this year.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 05:47 PM
Only the new coaching staff will keep us from losing 12 again.

Look at this MFing LB corps. Hell, even the D-Line is still a complete piece of crap.

The O-line is the only thing we really addressed....

You know, I really think the D took alot of the blame for things that were not in their control. The lack of 1st down generation by the offense led to them playing a LOT more time on the field...Which led to break downs in the second half. I am not trying to make excuses but I think that even the slight improvement of the offensive line will reap rewards on the other side of the ball...It is a lot easier to play solid defense and put pressure on the QB when you aren't winded and playing 40+ minutes per game.

DJ's left nut
04-24-2010, 05:47 PM
so you're guessing 3-13 I assume?

With this schedule, I think they will probably go 5-11 or 6-10.

And without a fuckwit GM, they'd have been able to go no worse than 10-6.

It's one of the softest schedules I've ever seen.

chiefforlife
04-24-2010, 05:48 PM
I'll be the minority, but I liked the draft and like the direction of this team.

This draft told me several things.

1) Glenn Dorsey is going to really play more NT than last year.
2) Derrick Johnson is absolutely starting next year.
3) The secondary is set for the next 5-10 years.
4) Brian Waters might be seeing his last year as a Chief

I'm not thrilled with the 2nd round, but I think those guys are going to help a lot. This team needs athletic players. Carr, Flowers and Arenas is a very good corner combo. Constantly putting Flowers on the slot receivers last year minimized his value on the outside. Now he can just lock up with the #1's.

Berry is going to be a monster as we all expect. He's going to lead, he's going to work his ass off. We have 2 stud playmakers in the secondary now.

The big thing for me is we finally have coaches who will coach up guys. Weis and Crennel are excellent teachers. We haven't had a defensive coordinator with a clue in about 20 years since Cowher left.

I'm really optimistic that we are moving in the right direction.

Good post from a Bad guy.

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 05:49 PM
We're not the worst, but I have NO faith in this team until Cassel is gone and the O-line gets younger.

I think they are moving in the right direction with youth.

Albert, Asamoah and Lilja are all going to be fixtures moving forward on this line.

Waters and Weigmann are in their last years.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 05:49 PM
Good post from a Bad guy.

Actually I agree!

FD
04-24-2010, 05:50 PM
You know, I really think the D took alot of the blame for things that were not in their control. The lack of 1st down generation by the offense led to them playing a LOT more time on the field...Which led to break downs in the second half. I am not trying to make excuses but I think that even the slight improvement of the offensive line will reap rewards on the other side of the ball...It is a lot easier to play solid defense and put pressure on the QB when you aren't winded and playing 40+ minutes per game.

Its true. Most of last season the offense was:

1) LJ run into back of own blocker, fall down.
2) LJ run into back of own blocker, fall down.
3) Bad pass/dropped pass.
4) Punt

Like clockwork.

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 05:50 PM
I also think Scott Pioli will be here as long as he wants.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:51 PM
I also think Scott Pioli will be here as long as he wants.

That is certainly reassuring, nice to see we have such awesome ownership.

DJ's left nut
04-24-2010, 05:52 PM
You know, I really think the D took alot of the blame for things that were not in their control. The lack of 1st down generation by the offense led to them playing a LOT more time on the field...Which led to break downs in the second half. I am not trying to make excuses but I think that even the slight improvement of the offensive line will reap rewards on the other side of the ball...It is a lot easier to play solid defense and put pressure on the QB when you aren't winded and playing 40+ minutes per game.

Sorry, but we run a 3-4 with no discernable talent at LB.

The defense took the appropriate amount of heat. Watching Cory Mays literally jump out of the lane that the RB was going through, then seeing Vrabel trail 5 steps behind the play, then finally seeing Mike Brown bounce of the RB...ugh, I can't get it out of my head.

And we'll see Mays and Vrabel starting again this year. It's the backbone of our scheme and it's an absolute trainwreck.

That defense is terrible. In 2003 it was "the O was too good so the D looked bad", last year it was "the O was too bad, so the D looked worse". Let's face it - those defenses were F'ing awful and no offense in the world would've changed that.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-24-2010, 05:53 PM
And who will you replace him with you fucking moron !!!!

Not Colt McCoy. :D( assuming "shitface" was Matt 'Motherfuckme' Cassel )

I think they are moving in the right direction with youth.

Albert, Asamoah and Lilja are all going to be fixtures moving forward on this line.

Waters and Weigmann are in their last years.

Yeah, you're right. I'm still not buying this team as legitimate with Cassel at the helm though; that guy is a 'tuck rule' just waiting to happen should we ever get that far.

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 05:54 PM
That is certainly reassuring, nice to see we have such awesome ownership.

Let's be honest here. The guy was the hottest commodity in the NFL prior to agreeing to come here.

He's year 2 into his contract.

Why in the world would Clark fire him now?

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 05:54 PM
Not Colt McCoy. :D( assuming "shitface" was Matt 'Mother****me' Cassel )



Yeah, you're right. I'm still not buying this team as legitimate with Cassel at the helm though; that guy is a 'tuck rule' just waiting to happen should we ever get that far.

I agree. Cassel fucking sucks.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:55 PM
He had the biggest name, personally I think we hired him because Clark Hunt knows about soccer and knows dick about football so he just hired the biggest name guy.

Saying "hey he'll get his 5 years" is way different than "he'll be here as long as he wants" like the KC GM job comes with a lifetime contract.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 05:57 PM
Let's be honest here. The guy was the hottest commodity in the NFL prior to agreeing to come here.

He's year 2 into his contract.

Why in the world would Clark fire him now?

He has, at minimum, another 3 years.

At that point, he absolutely needs to be evaluated, thoroughly and seriously. Ask Royals fans all about "hot commodities."

Sounds great until they blow up in your face. Let's hope this isn't the case with the Chiefs. If Berry is tits this year, this will be a huge step in the right direction.

Beyond this, McCluster has to be outstanding. Much pressure on this kid. Produce or GTFO, and I'm not going to listen to any excuses for Pioli if he missed on this selection.

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 05:58 PM
He had the biggest name, personally I think we hired him because Clark Hunt knows about soccer and knows dick about football so he just hired the biggest name guy.

Saying "hey he'll get his 5 years" is way different than "he'll be here as long as he wants" like the KC GM job comes with a lifetime contract.

I think thats just the nature of the Hunt family. It's shitty, but they have no pressure to make changes in a small market.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 05:59 PM
Basically we are not a good enough team to be using 2nd round picks on gimmick players or slot CB return men.

That's completely ridiculous. As if these guys won't be on our roster in 3-5 years. And McCluster isn't a gimmick. If he ends up playing a Sproles type role, which I imagine he will, where's the gimmick? Just because he doesn't play traditional 3-down sequences, between returning kicks, serving as probably an eventual carry-sharer with Charles, and being an actual target for multi-receiver sets (something we struggled with big time last season), we get a guy who keeps Charles fresh, becomes a major weapon on pass downs (particularly on third downs, where we were horendous last year), and on the side will probably return kicks or punts (one of the two).

Again, tell me why we're pressured to draft on need this year. Is not drafting a NT this season going to keep us from the Super Bowl this season? This year, apparently, we focus on giving Weis a real good offense to work with. And on offense, I think we have potential to be pretty effective. Yeah, we're going to struggle on defense. But it's not nearly as bad as people suggest. Our D-line will be better than last year, even if not nearly as improved as we'd hoped. And our secondary is going to be miles better. Our only major pressing concern today on defense is at LB, and eventually getting a long-term replacement at NT over Shaun Smith. There's lots of reason to believe our defense will be better.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 05:59 PM
So we have a shitty owner is what you're telling me.

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 05:59 PM
Beyond this, McCluster has to be outstanding. Much pressure on this kid. Produce or GTFO, and I'm not going to listen to any excuses for Pioli if he missed on this selection.

Absolutely. He has to be a game-breaker on offense. With the 36th pick, there is no learning curve. Get the offense, be productive and move the fucking chains.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:00 PM
You do realize Darren Sproles was what a 5th round pick right?

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 06:00 PM
So we have a shitty owner is what you're telling me.

I've never been fans of the Hunts owning this team after they hired Gunther.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:00 PM
I'm not a fan of them owning the team when we have the lowest payroll in the entire league...

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 06:04 PM
You do realize Darren Sproles was what a 5th round pick right?

Who cares what pick he was. Is he worth a 2nd round pick now? The board sure thought so a few months ago.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 06:04 PM
Absolutely. He has to be a game-breaker on offense. With the 36th pick, there is no learning curve. Get the offense, be productive and move the ****ing chains.

I'm expecting Harvin II. Stat line needs to look (approximately) like this:

60 rec.
800 yards
6 TDs

Anything but a nominal difference should be seen as a significant failing.

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 06:07 PM
I'm expecting Harvin II. Stat line needs to look (approximately) like this:

60 rec.
800 yards
6 TDs

Anything but a nominal difference should be seen as a significant failing.

I think the 60 grabs might happen. However, I dont know if they will result in 800.

I think somewhere around 60, 650, 4-5 TDs.

Weis might bubble screen him to death by the end of the year.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 06:07 PM
I'm not a fan of them owning the team when we have the lowest payroll in the entire league...

Neither am I, but it's not like we had a ton of options this offseason. I agree that the fuck-up in 2009 may have set us back a few years--I think we could be a playoff team this season if we made good decisions last year. Instead, we're probably a 6-10 or 7-9 team at best. I would be shocked if we weren't very big players in the 2011 free agency market, which will probably be extremely deep since it will cover two years of URFAs. I hope, at least.

whoman69
04-24-2010, 06:07 PM
I have to say that despite not as much help for the starting line-up as we needed in the draft, Denver is moving in the wrong direction. The offense has more weapons, the defense has filled a major hole with Berry. That said, our front seven is going to have to take a major step forward with only depth added at the tackle position.

Denver has taken major step backwards. Everyone says the Raiders upgraded at QB, but did they really that much. This is Jason Campbell we're talking about. This is the same Jason Campbell that lost to the Chiefs and Lions last year.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:08 PM
Who cares what pick he was. Is he worth a 2nd round pick now? The board sure thought so a few months ago.

Uh no, well maybe some people did.

Is it really this difficult to understand the difference in a foundation piece and a complimentary piece?

Taking Berry first was the right move, I didn't realize we were going to shit the bed for the rest of the draft and ignore key foundation pieces even when the draft perfectly set up to get them.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 06:09 PM
I have to say that despite not as much help for the starting line-up as we needed in the draft, Denver is moving in the wrong direction. The offense has more weapons, the defense has filled a major hole with Berry. That said, our front seven is going to have to take a major step forward with only depth added at the tackle position.

Denver has taken major step backwards. Everyone says the Raiders upgraded at QB, but did they really that much. This is Jason Campbell we're talking about. This is the same Jason Campbell that lost to the Chiefs and Lions last year.

Jason Campbell is significantly more talented than Matt Cassel. Significantly.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 06:10 PM
I'm expecting Harvin II. Stat line needs to look (approximately) like this:

60 rec.
800 yards
6 TDs

Anything but a nominal difference should be seen as a significant failing.

By year 2 or 3, yes.
But I see it differently.

If we use the Darren Sproles standard, those 700-800 yards need to be replaced by "all purpose yards". And we should hope he's somewhere in the ballpark of 800. And in between, you'd hope for a padded Yards/Return and a few special teams TDs.

If he does that, and I don't see why he couldn't, it's a fine pick.

dirk digler
04-24-2010, 06:11 PM
I am as pessimistic as anybody but I think with the schedule the way it is they are going to be in the 7-9,8-8,9-7 range. Offensively we are going to be much improved the problem again is going to be the front 7 on D and if they can stop anybody.

Lanning
04-24-2010, 06:11 PM
You do realize Darren Sproles was what a 5th round pick right?

He was actually a 4th ;) but I see your point.

I would take a Darren Sproles 2.0 with a 2nd round pick.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 06:11 PM
By year 2 or 3, yes.
But I see it differently.

If we use the Darren Sproles standard, those 700-800 yards need to be replaced by "all purpose yards". And we should hope he's somewhere in the ballpark of 800. And in between, you'd hope for a padded Yards/Return and a few special teams TDs.

If he does that, and I don't see why he couldn't, it's a fine pick.

This dude was not drafted to be a RB with Charles and Jones on the roster. He's our slot WR.

And we drafted our KR with the next pick.

Harvin or GTFO. No excuses accepted in 2010, so let's not start.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:11 PM
We'll see if it's a fine pick, for the players he was taken over this guy has to be really good.

Lanning
04-24-2010, 06:12 PM
I am as pessimistic as anybody but I think with the schedule the way it is they are going to be in the 7-9,8-8,9-7 range. Offensively we are going to be much improved the problem again is going to be the front 7 on D and if they can stop anybody.

For once I agree with dirk :clap:

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 06:17 PM
Uh no, well maybe some people did.

Is it really this difficult to understand the difference in a foundation piece and a complimentary piece?

Taking Berry first was the right move, I didn't realize we were going to shit the bed for the rest of the draft and ignore key foundation pieces even when the draft perfectly set up to get them.

This is a different world. Sproles was drafted low because of concerns about his height. RBs weren't used in nearly the same kind of way back then as they were today. You usually had one primary back, a lot of I-formations, and one guy carrying the ball 350-400 times per season.

Since then, you see players like Reggie Bush getting drafted in the top 5. Devin Hester at 57. Desean Jackson at 49, though he's more of a traditional receiver than the others. There's been a lot more value in these kinds of utility backs and playmakers.

I don't see McCluster as any kind of a "complimentary piece." He helps solve a huge problem we had last year in terms of 3rd down efficiency, and in terms of shoring up the return game. And he helps solve a long-term problem of getting Charles another backup to take a few carries away (a problem Jones doesn't solve).

He's a piece we're going to need anyway. And I think he has the upside to do it a lot better than any average pick. And between all the roles that he'll play, I see no reason why he would be considered a "gimmick" or a gadget. That's all assuming he lives up to the potential of the pick. Quite possible he's nothing and the Chiefs will get burned for it.

BigChiefFan
04-24-2010, 06:19 PM
The Rams, Browns, Chiefs, and Buccaneers all fight for the number one overall pick next year, IMO. The Browns had a good draft for a WCO team. The Buccaneers signifigantly improved their D-Line over the weekend, and the Rams will continue to struggle, but still made some nice moves through the draft.

I just don't see how a slot receiver and nickle CB improve our defense and they project to never go higher on the depth chart.

Those are our 2nd rounders, instead of Linval Joseph and Sean Lee. How anybody can defend taking back-ups over starters is beyond me.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 06:19 PM
This dude was not drafted to be a RB with Charles and Jones on the roster. He's our slot WR.

And we drafted our KR with the next pick.

Harvin or GTFO. No excuses accepted in 2010, so let's not start.

I've never heard anything like that.

What I've heard is that he's going to play slot receiver.

I don't see any reason why his largest role wouldn't be to play a passing downs back who can motion to the slot if they need an extra receiver. I don't think you can call him any traditional position. But if you wanted to conveniently put a position tag on him, yeah, I suppose his largest role would be as an extra slot receiver.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:19 PM
I really wish Hester wasn't thrown in there, the other guys have uses other than kick returning he doesn't.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 06:21 PM
The Rams, Browns, Chiefs, and Buccaneers all fight for the number one overall pick next year, IMO. The Browns had a good draft for a WCO team. The Buccaneers signifigantly improved their D-Line over the weekend, and the Rams will continue to struggle, but still made some nice moves throught the draft.

I just don't see how a slot receiver and nickle CB improve our defense and they project to never go higher on the depth chart.

Those are our 2nd rounders, instead of Linval Joseph and Sean Lee. How anybody can defend taking back-ups over starters is beyond me.

I don't think you could be more wrong.

I think the Chiefs are 6-10 to 7-9 and fight for a middle round pick.

This team isn't nearly as bad as the doomsday scenarios would suggest.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 06:24 PM
Sorry, but we run a 3-4 with no discernable talent at LB.

The defense took the appropriate amount of heat.

I disagree 100%. Yes, the defense was bad, but they cannot be asked to be super human.

They (our defense) were on the field as follows:

Ravens - 40 minutes (got smashed) Lost 38 to whatever

Raiders -only on the field 20 minutes, only allowed 10 points,still lost 10-13

Giants - 31 minutes , allowed 27 points (lost 1st down battle 15-21)

Skins - Defense on field only 20 minutes, we allowed only 6 points

Chargers 1 - 33 minutes, blown out. Only 10 1st downs. 3 ints.

Jacskonville - on the field for 36 minutes and still only allowed 24 points. Offense only got 14 1st downs in the game...

Against the raiders we won, and kept time of possesion close.

Against pitt our defense was on the field 44 minutes! (Forty four!) Their defense was on the field for only 22 (overtime). We had 13 1st downs in the entire game including over time. Lucky win for sure.

San Diego2 our defense was on the field for 35+ minutes.

Denver one , again 35 minutes...14 first downs in the entire game.

etc...


I know time of possession is kind of speculative...But we did much better overall when our time of possesion was close to 30 minutes (or under). And when we actually won time of possesion we did pretty well for the most part.


Getting 1st downs is the best way to help the defense....I truly do not think they will play that badly if given a chance.

milkman
04-24-2010, 06:26 PM
Good to see the Chiefzilla Pioli ballwashing hasn't been affected by this draft.

You go girl!

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 06:26 PM
I don't think you could be more wrong.

I think the Chiefs are 6-10 to 7-9 and fight for a middle round pick.

This team isn't nearly as bad as the doomsday scenarios would suggest.

6-10 is a top 10 pick

BigChiefFan
04-24-2010, 06:27 PM
I don't think you could be more wrong.

I think the Chiefs are 6-10 to 7-9 and fight for a middle round pick.

This team isn't nearly as bad as the doomsday scenarios would suggest. If you think I couldn't be more wrong, then perhaps you could counter how a slot receiver and a nickle CB actually improve the defense? With all the defensive STARTERS available. Please also elaborate on how BACK-UPS are more valuable then STARTERS. You're original "supposed" counter didn't dispute a damn thing I said. So please try again.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 06:27 PM
I've never heard anything like that.

What I've heard is that he's going to play slot receiver.

I don't see any reason why his largest role wouldn't be to play a passing downs back who can motion to the slot if they need an extra receiver. I don't think you can call him any traditional position. But if you wanted to conveniently put a position tag on him, yeah, I suppose his largest role would be as an extra slot receiver.

Missing word here?

I said he was drafted to be the slot WR.

If we drafted primarily a third-down back at #36 overall, Pioli should be fired right now.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:28 PM
Good to see the Chiefzilla Pioli ballwashing hasn't been affected by this draft.

You go girl!

You didn't think he was going to give up his gimmick did you?

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 06:29 PM
Good to see the Chiefzilla Pioli ballwashing hasn't been affected by this draft.

You go girl!

He calls him Pablo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kus_2Al4Aw0

milkman
04-24-2010, 06:30 PM
You didn't think he was going to give up his gimmick did you?

No I didn't, but I'm one of the best at pointing out the obvious, so I went with my stregth.

Marcellus
04-24-2010, 06:35 PM
If you think I couldn't be more wrong, then perhaps you could counter how a slot receiver and a nickle CB actually improve the defense? With all the defensive STARTERS available. Please also elaborate on how BACK-UPS are more valuable then STARTERS. You're original "supposed" counter didn't dispute a damn thing I said. So please try again.

I'm fairly sure Eric Berry improved the defense considering we had the worst safeties in the NFL last year.


On another note John Clayton brought up a interesting tidbit that may have been mentioned already.

Denver drafting Tebow, a left handed QB, either forces Clady to move to RT or makes him under utilized.

Interesting.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-24-2010, 06:39 PM
Good to see the Chiefzilla Pioli ballwashing hasn't been affected by this draft.

You go girl!

Oh I just hope we win enough to justify keeping Cassel as our starter, and completely ignore next years prospects because being a Chiefs fan is so awesome like that, yes.

I also enjoy eating boiled liver and shitting in my bed, just so you know.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 06:43 PM
I also enjoy eating boiled liver and shitting in my bed, just so you know.

I'm trying to figure out the connection..

http://26.media.tumblr.com/m7eBZmZM4ls33kzfpvfNxa7bo1_400.jpg

shocked
04-24-2010, 06:46 PM
The NT thing worries more than LB's. NE consistently won with no name to average LB's. But that was because they had a stud DL.

Huh?

When NE was winning SBs, their LB corps consisted of Willie McGinest, Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, and Ted Johnson. They also had guys like Roman Pheifer, Bryan Cox, and Roosevelt Colvin coming off the bench. I believe every single name I just listed has gone to a ProBowl at least once in their career. And no, those 4 starters weren't old and washed up in 2001-2004 either.

The only consistent player on that D line was Seymour. They had Ted Washington for a year, then Keith Traylor, before Wilfork took over.

NT is important. But if you don't have LBs, you really don't have anything.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 06:47 PM
Good to see the Chiefzilla Pioli ballwashing hasn't been affected by this draft.

You go girl!

See my post in the other thread about my draft grade.

Call it ballwashing if you want. But when people pimp Sergio Kindle despite his injury problems, and then rail on drafting Maeoki for the same reason. When people pimp CJ Spiller months before the draft, and then claim McCluster was a fucked up pick. And when a guy like Cody, a guy who is probably a 50/50 shot of eating his way out of the league becomes the poster child for a perfect draft, I'm going to call people out. I hate exaggeration.

I think this team is 6-10. I think the draft was about a C+. Call it ballwashing if you want. But I guess it's okay for people to ridiculously jump off cliffs like lemurs.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 06:49 PM
Why is 6-10 suddenly good, and not deserving of cliff diving suicide?

Going from 4-12 to 6-10 is not discernible progress.

Marcellus
04-24-2010, 06:51 PM
Huh?

When NE was winning SBs, their LB corps consisted of Willie McGinest, Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, and Ted Johnson. They also had guys like Roman Pheifer, Bryan Cox, and Roosevelt Colvin coming off the bench. I believe every single name I just listed has gone to a ProBowl at least once in their career. And no, those 4 starters weren't old and washed up in 2001-2004 either.

The only consistent player on that D line was Seymour. They had Ted Washington for a year, then Keith Traylor, before Wilfork took over.

NT is important. But if you don't have LBs, you really don't have anything.

These guys were drafted where? When I say no name I mean not big name splashes out of college. Guys they developed.

Pawnmower
04-24-2010, 06:53 PM
Why is 6-10 suddenly good, and not deserving of cliff diving suicide?

Going from 4-12 to 6-10 is not discernible progress.

I think you need to look up the definition of discernible...

I mean, sure, it wouldnt be very much but....

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ei=KYTTS-_rIJLStgPDnfXECQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAQQBSgA&q=define%3A+discernible&spell=1

I think more importantly than the record (for 2011) is the way we lose the games we lose. Are we making 1st downs? Are we getting pressure on the QB? Are we winning the battle of field position consistently? Are we playing 60 minutes of football?

To me those things are more important than the record (for 2011) , and if the answer to most of them or all of them is yes...and we still go 6-10, I would say that is progress over the last 32-48 games.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 06:54 PM
Why is 6-10 suddenly good, and not deserving of cliff diving suicide?

Going from 4-12 to 6-10 is not discernible progress.

When did I ever say this team was good or that Pioli is turning this team around? We've still got a really long way to go. No matter who we drafted this year, we had a really long way to go. That's a byproduct of complete failure in 2009 to make the right moves.

What I think is that whereas last year, we had lots of games where we looked flat-out outmatched, I expect we'll be competitive in most of our games. I think Pioli's building a good foundation for 8-8. I have yet to see if he's done anything beyond that. I'm not nearly as gung ho about Pioli as you think.

WildTurkey
04-24-2010, 07:03 PM
When did I ever say this team was good or that Pioli is turning this team around? We've still got a really long way to go. No matter who we drafted this year, we had a really long way to go. That's a byproduct of complete failure in 2009 to make the right moves.

What I think is that whereas last year, we had lots of games where we looked flat-out outmatched, I expect we'll be competitive in most of our games. I think Pioli's building a good foundation for 8-8. I have yet to see if he's done anything beyond that. I'm not nearly as gung ho about Pioli as you think.

This.... we added more talent this offseason.... and with better coaching I'm optimistic (cautiously so) that our young talent already in place (Dorsey,Jackson,Flowers, even DJ) can really improve... I wouldn't be shocked to see a 6 to 8 win team

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 07:05 PM
Missing word here?

I said he was drafted to be the slot WR.

If we drafted primarily a third-down back at #36 overall, Pioli should be fired right now.

I think he's going to get more slot calls than Sproles, but he's going to get a lot more carries than you probably think. I think there's a significant difference between a player who plays primarily out of the slot and a guy who often motions into it, depending on the mismatch.

tk13
04-24-2010, 07:11 PM
McCluster needs to produce, he's a 2nd round pick. I don't know I'd go comparing him to Harvin... there aren't too many Harvin's, and he was a first round pick. People are so polarized by that pick they're going to extremes on each side.

Ari Chi3fs
04-24-2010, 07:11 PM
Im most pissed that with the McCluster pick... get me Tate or Clausen or Cody or Kindle there... not this fucking midget fuck.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 07:15 PM
The Rams, Browns, Chiefs, and Buccaneers all fight for the number one overall pick next year, IMO. The Browns had a good draft for a WCO team. The Buccaneers signifigantly improved their D-Line over the weekend, and the Rams will continue to struggle, but still made some nice moves through the draft.

I just don't see how a slot receiver and nickle CB improve our defense and they project to never go higher on the depth chart.

Those are our 2nd rounders, instead of Linval Joseph and Sean Lee. How anybody can defend taking back-ups over starters is beyond me.

Tom Waddle agrees with this post.

King_Chief_Fan
04-24-2010, 07:20 PM
When did I ever say this team was good or that Pioli is turning this team around? We've still got a really long way to go. No matter who we drafted this year, we had a really long way to go. That's a byproduct of complete failure in 2009 to make the right moves.

What I think is that whereas last year, we had lots of games where we looked flat-out outmatched, I expect we'll be competitive in most of our games. I think Pioli's building a good foundation for 8-8. I have yet to see if he's done anything beyond that. I'm not nearly as gung ho about Pioli as you think.

agree...it takes a few years to build a team......especially a hosed up Herm and Peterson failure. Going 8-8 is about right. Anyone here really thought that this team would go from 2-14 to 10-6 in two years?
So boo fricking hoo to all those arm chair coaches and GM's who think they know so much. I don't see any of them being employed as either. Must be their qualifications.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 07:22 PM
The Rams, Browns, Chiefs, and Buccaneers all fight for the number one overall pick next year, IMO. The Browns had a good draft for a WCO team. The Buccaneers signifigantly improved their D-Line over the weekend, and the Rams will continue to struggle, but still made some nice moves through the draft.

I just don't see how a slot receiver and nickle CB improve our defense and they project to never go higher on the depth chart.

Those are our 2nd rounders, instead of Linval Joseph and Sean Lee. How anybody can defend taking back-ups over starters is beyond me.

Son, we have a lot of stupid fans, it's just how it is.

shocked
04-24-2010, 07:36 PM
These guys were drafted where? When I say no name I mean not big name splashes out of college. Guys they developed.

It's kinda goes both ways. Willie McGinest was a highly touted 1st rd pick from USC. Bruschi was a brilliant college football player who tied the NCAA sack record. Ted Johnson was a second rounder. Their FA acquisitions were notable too. It's not like they had a bunch of scrubs that Bill Belichick magically turned into football players. The talent was there. Those players were also built to be in the 3-4.

Also, according to Pro Football reference their D was ranked 17th in points and 27th in yards in 2005. They sucked ass. Why? Because that was the year that they had scrubs like Chad Brown and Monty Biesel at LB. Even when their D-line was as solid as ever, they were awful. Linebackers are a priority.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 07:48 PM
If you think I couldn't be more wrong, then perhaps you could counter how a slot receiver and a nickle CB actually improve the defense? With all the defensive STARTERS available. Please also elaborate on how BACK-UPS are more valuable then STARTERS. You're original "supposed" counter didn't dispute a damn thing I said. So please try again.

Your definition of "backup" is completely retarded, that's why. It's not like a backup QB where you don't see the light of day for 15 games. We're talking about players who are going to have a hefty workload. These guys are going to see about as much of a workload as a Nose Tackle.

How does a slot receiver improve the offense? Oh, I don't know. Given that a spread out offense with multi-receiver sets is in vogue, having a legit slot option would be better than Lance Long. Given Weis' offense's focus on a lot of dumpoffs and underneath routes (keep in mind that Kevin Faulk had almost 700 receiving yards in the 2003 Super Bowl season). You get a 3rd down back with the versatility to pass protect well, motion into a slot and be an underneath option, and carry the ball if need be. In the long-term, you have a long-term back to spell Charles as Sproles did for LT (this is all assuming he's as good as advertised). Charlie Weis loves having a back like this--Kevin Faulk was one of the more underrated players during the Pats' dynasty years. Given that we were absolutely horrendous on 3rd downs, had limited YAC receivers in a YAC offense, that we need a long-term guy to take carries away from Charles, and our need for a returner, and have an OC whose primary goal is to create mismatches, this pick helps us considerably if it works out.

How does a nickel back help? Given that our pass offense gave up 140+ yards to a receiver in 1/3 of the games and that most of those receivers were no-names like Sims-Walker and Jabar Gaffney, I'd say it helps to have just a little bit of nickel/dime depth. None of our CBs beyond Carr/Flowers are worth a damn. Nickel backs see the field on about 40-50% of the snaps. If he takes 40-50% of snaps and is a stud punt returner, both of those things help us significantly.

Both of these moves, in my opinion, significantly improve our 3rd down efficiency, which is what absolutely destroyed us last year.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 07:49 PM
It's kinda goes both ways. Willie McGinest was a highly touted 1st rd pick from USC. Bruschi was a brilliant college football player who tied the NCAA sack record. Ted Johnson was a second rounder. Their FA acquisitions were notable too. It's not like they had a bunch of scrubs that Bill Belichick magically turned into football players. The talent was there. Those players were also built to be in the 3-4.

Also, according to Pro Football reference their D was ranked 17th in points and 27th in yards in 2005. They sucked ass. Why? Because that was the year that they had scrubs like Chad Brown and Monty Biesel at LB. Even when their D-line was as solid as ever, they were awful. Linebackers are a priority.

On the Outside, yes.

I completely disagree on the inside. If the D-line does their job, particularly in the Patriots' Fairbanks 3-4, then the ILBs job isn't that hard to do. Especially if you have two good safeties in the back.

OLB is going to have to be a focus. I'm not worried about the ILB. That, to me, is the ultimate "luxury pick."

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:03 PM
McCluster needs to produce, he's a 2nd round pick. I don't know I'd go comparing him to Harvin... there aren't too many Harvin's, and he was a first round pick. People are so polarized by that pick they're going to extremes on each side.

With first-round talent, including a QBOTF, on the board, I'd say expecting Harvin-level production is extremely reasonable.

No excuses.

Otter
04-24-2010, 08:08 PM
I'm kinda dumbfounded by some of the draft picks after Berry. Kindel seemed to be a no brainer and the big NT (I can't think of his name atm) seemed a safe bet at 2b.

I've been dumbfounded since the Chiefs didn't try to mold a QB when Joe Montana was there to learn under. That's the pinnacle of stupidity in Chiefs draft history to me.

Nothing surprises me.

whoman69
04-24-2010, 08:09 PM
agree...it takes a few years to build a team......especially a hosed up Herm and Peterson failure. Going 8-8 is about right. Anyone here really thought that this team would go from 2-14 to 10-6 in two years?
So boo fricking hoo to all those arm chair coaches and GM's who think they know so much. I don't see any of them being employed as either. Must be their qualifications.

So what's your qualifications to comment? Are you employed in an NFL front office? I actually agreed with what you were saying up to that point. Where did this stupidity come from that we can only agree with the front office? Maybe all the other front offices are laughing at us because we are so stupid. I felt free to comment when CP was stupid (a common occurance) and won't stop now with Pioli. I will also back them when I think they deserve it.

I think the Chiefs moved ahead in this draft with the talent they picked up. They could have moved ahead further by focusing longer on picking up every down talent instead of role-players in round 2. You don't try to add that final piece of the puzzle when you have empty places all over the board. It was a luxury that I don't think at this point in the team's development that we can afford.

shocked
04-24-2010, 08:35 PM
On the Outside, yes.

I completely disagree on the inside. If the D-line does their job, particularly in the Patriots' Fairbanks 3-4, then the ILBs job isn't that hard to do. Especially if you have two good safeties in the back.

OLB is going to have to be a focus. I'm not worried about the ILB. That, to me, is the ultimate "luxury pick."

Then why did NE's D absolutley tank in 2005 when front 7 was pretty solid beyond the two ILB positions? Their D line was stacked (Seymour Wilfork Warren). They had Vrabel, McGinest, and Colvin as OLBs. Yet, they didn't stop sucking until they moved Vrabel inside and Bruschi came back after the stroke. They sucked cause Chad Brown and Monty Biesel were awful.

Maybe you don't need to spend a 1st rd picks at ILB, but it's not a luxury. You do need someone to make plays. How many consistent and notable 3-4 Ds have gotten away with bad ILBs? Balt = Ray Lewis, Pit = Farrior, NE = Bruschi and now Jerrod Mayo. Helps to have a thumper who can take on the Guards in that spot too....

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-27-2010, 07:01 PM
Tom Waddle agrees with this post.

As I always say, "never argue the Wisdom of Waddle"...:spock:

So what's your qualifications to comment? Are you employed in an NFL front office.

We're BETTER than the FO, and always have been. Period. Welcome to Chiefs Planet; the patience has run out and we're sick and motherfucking tired of excuses and moranic moves on the part of our eternally-retarded front office.
How many long-term scholars of this game would look at this franchises personnel moves since SB-4, and scratch their heads if not laugh their asses off?

Many.

I can assure you.

And guess what? We've had enough. Get it together, get it right on draft day by properly evaluating your talent with an unsentimental eye, or for the love of holy hell:

Get...


The Fuck...


OUT.