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Tribal Warfare
04-24-2010, 06:22 PM
GENERAL MANAGER SCOTT PIOLI AND HEAD COACH TODD HALEY DRAFT WRAP-UP PRESS CONFERENCE (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/GENERAL-MANAGER-SCOTT-PIOLI-AND-HEAD-COACH-TODD-HALEY/22e65343-057d-4bb7-a827-4154900985d3)

Fish
04-24-2010, 06:23 PM
...are colossal dipshits...?

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 06:26 PM
lawl

I think we did a good job of going into the draft with an idea of what was needed and we’ve both said a number of times, we have needs across the board. But I really feel we were clear as an organization of what we needed and they were addressed. You can’t address everything, but I feel like we came out of this feeling pretty good about filling some of the spots that needed it.”

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 06:28 PM
Shining paragons of excellence.

This is not a new or unique way that we’re approaching our football team with the types of players that we’ve brought in here and are trying to make a part of this football team. Go back to last year’s off-season, bringing in guys like LB <nobr>Mike Vrabelhttp://www.kcchiefs.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.kcchiefs.com/team/roster/mike-vrabel/0cfbfad2-e606-44a3-9362-7dc0389f2788/)</nobr> and bringing in guys like QB <nobr>Matt Casselhttp://www.kcchiefs.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.kcchiefs.com/team/roster/matt-cassel/5fbc174a-bfb6-45f9-9559-0bb09433efd4/)</nobr>, I think you can find a lot of common traits and makeup to all the players.”

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 06:29 PM
Wow.

dirk digler
04-24-2010, 06:30 PM
I am watching it now. Haley said a returner was a must.

Tribal Warfare
04-24-2010, 06:31 PM
Wow.

I know, Pioli is going to fall hard if Cassel and the team fails again.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 06:31 PM
What? He ran a 4.9. MATT CASSEL RUNS A FASTER 40.

Sheffield was a starting defensive end for three years; we are going to play him at the outside linebacker position and he has pretty dynamic pass rush ability. He will also have a shot with his speed and size to play on fourth down in some places.

dirk digler
04-24-2010, 06:33 PM
Interesting they think Arenas is going to play upwards of 50 snaps a game.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 06:33 PM
OH MY GOD.


Q: What have you done since the end of last year to address your run defense?

PIOLI: I think another year or this year, I think one of our additions on defense quite honestly is the addition of Romeo Crennel, he is going to help us and help this defense get better. He is not lining up as one of the 11 on the football field but I think he is going to help our defense.
Crennel is riding in on a white horse.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:33 PM
Bruce Campbell runs a faster 40 than a rush backer and safety we drafted...

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:34 PM
I wasn't aware Crennel was suiting up, guess they think he is.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 06:37 PM
"when we draft, it’s a combination of need and best players available"

How the fuck could these charlatans say that with a straight fucking face?

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:39 PM
"when we draft, its a combination of need and best players available"

How the fuck could these charlatans say that with a straight fucking face?

If they really believe that, I feel very sad for their player evaluation ability.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 06:39 PM
HALEY: “I think our process, and it has been a long and grueling process – fun for everyone involved, everybody that enjoys football – but it’s just all part of the process.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 06:40 PM
HALEY: I think our process, and it has been a long and grueling process fun for everyone involved, everybody that enjoys football but its just all part of the process.

If this were Herm, this quotation would constitute its own thread.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:41 PM
These guys are just as stupid as Herm was.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 06:41 PM
Kick fucking Return was a must, but a fucking nose tackle wasn't.

In a THREE FUCKING FOUR

:facepalm:

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 06:42 PM
So the process, you know, at the end of the day, you know, it's the process.

Marcellus
04-24-2010, 06:42 PM
If this were Herm, this quotation would constitute its own thread.

I did have to laugh at all the "process" comments. That's like hearing "tremendous upside" while listening to the draft.

Damn near every player drafted had some level of "upside".

Tribal Warfare
04-24-2010, 06:43 PM
These guys are just as stupid as Herm was.

Actually they're worse, at least Herm tried to bring in BPA draftees but couldn't coach them up. Pioli, is trying to find the "right 53" christian mission group.

dirk digler
04-24-2010, 06:45 PM
Kick fucking Return was a must, but a fucking nose tackle wasn't.

In a THREE FUCKING FOUR

:facepalm:

Yeah I thought that was interesting which leads me to my opinion of what they are saying.

After I watched the video I just got the impression that they believe the NFL has changed so much to a passing league that certain positions are not just as valuable as they once were.

That is just my interpretation anyway.

Reaper16
04-24-2010, 06:45 PM
At Crennel's size maybe he should suit up and play the A gap.

To be honest, their logic about the overvaluing of a nickle back specialist like Arenas (btw -- Pioli admitted that Arenas is strictly a guy who will cover the slot, Dane, et al) is not terrible. They'll be in nickle coverage more often than not. But even given that, they still overvalued it by at least a round.

rad
04-24-2010, 06:48 PM
Q: When you were talking about your young defensive players that need to improve, who were you referring to?

PIOLI: “Young defensive players that need to improve.”

What a clown.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:48 PM
The Chiefs talking about the high level of passing in the league, now watch every team that plays the Chiefs lineup and just run Power O due to the fucked up personnel.

wazu
04-24-2010, 06:48 PM
That was painful. Oh, how I wish I believed that these guys knew what they were doing. I keep waiting for them to be right on something I initially disagree with. It just doesn't seem to ever happen.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 06:48 PM
If the NFL is truly a passing league, it sure would be nice to have some linebackers who could cover the flats and rush the fucking passer, wouldn't it?

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 06:49 PM
I'd like to shove an umbrella up their ass and open it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 06:50 PM
More importantly, rather than talking on a PC, why don't you get off your fat fucking ass and start calling FAs who could make an impact like

Lindsey Witten
Freddie Barnes
Barry Church
Danario Alexander
Jay Ross
Stephen Williams
LeGarrette Blount

and dozens and dozens of others.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 06:51 PM
I heard two draft rumors about the Chiefs trying to move Dorsey for a 3rd.

Can you imagine this defense without Dorsey?

Quite possibly it would set records in futility for run defense.

dirk digler
04-24-2010, 06:54 PM
I heard two draft rumors about the Chiefs trying to move Dorsey for a 3rd.

Can you imagine this defense without Dorsey?

Quite possibly it would set records in futility for run defense.

Sorry I don't believe that. First what team is stupid to turn that down?

Second the Chiefs were pretty open about the fact that when Dorsey was injured our run D sucked

milkman
04-24-2010, 06:56 PM
More importantly, rather than talking on a PC, why don't you get off your fat ****ing ass and start calling FAs who could make an impact like

Lindsey Witten
Freddie Barnes
Barry Church
Danario Alexander
Jay Ross
Stephen Williams
LeGarrette Blount

and dozens and dozens of others.

I'd really love to get Ross, Blount, and Micah Johnson.

Isn't Barnes already signed?

Mecca
04-24-2010, 06:56 PM
Sorry I don't believe that. First what team is stupid to turn that down?

Second the Chiefs were pretty open about the fact that when Dorsey was injured our run D sucked

Considering what I just witnessed, I wouldn't put anything past them.

Coogs
04-24-2010, 06:56 PM
Sorry I don't believe that. First what team is stupid to turn that down?

Second the Chiefs were pretty open about the fact that when Dorsey was injured our run D sucked

And third, they have mentioned he could be the NT this year. And when asked about that switch, Dorsey was pretty comfortable with it, as he siad something to the effect that all positions are the same.

AustinChief
04-24-2010, 06:58 PM
"when we draft, its a combination of need and best players available"

How the fuck could these charlatans say that with a straight fucking face?

...because they believe it. Their evaluation of the teams MOST PRESSING needs obviously doesn't fit what you and I thought they were.

BUT even they admitted that there are just too many holes to fill in one draft.

Here is how I see it playing out... (if we are lucky)

Draft #1 total crapshoot, basically guesswork (win 3 games)
Draft #2 filling as many needs as they can with best value players, not necessarily the biggest needs as we see them but needs (win 6 games)
Draft #3 filling the remaining needs (win 9 games)
Draft #4 upgrades (win 11 games)

This wasn't going to be fixed this year, we all knew that... they filled some holes and need at least one more draft to plug the remaining ones.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 06:59 PM
I'd really love to get Ross, Blount, and Micah Johnson.

Isn't Barnes already signed?

Many of those guys are, but they weren't when Pioli was running his fucking mouth for that pointless fucking press conference.

wazu
04-24-2010, 07:01 PM
More importantly, rather than talking on a PC, why don't you get off your fat fucking ass and start calling FAs who could make an impact like

Lindsey Witten
Freddie Barnes
Barry Church
Danario Alexander
Jay Ross
Stephen Williams
LeGarrette Blount

and dozens and dozens of others.

That's a really good fucking point.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:04 PM
...because they believe it. Their evaluation of the teams MOST PRESSING needs obviously doesn't fit what you and I thought they were.

BUT even they admitted that there are just too many holes to fill in one draft.

Here is how I see it playing out... (if we are lucky)

Draft #1 total crapshoot, basically guesswork (win 3 games)
Draft #2 filling as many needs as they can with best value players, not necessarily the biggest needs as we see them but needs (win 6 games)
Draft #3 filling the remaining needs (win 9 games)
Draft #4 upgrades (win 11 games)

This wasn't going to be fixed this year, we all knew that... they filled some holes and need at least one more draft to plug the remaining ones.

I'm glad to know that Kansas City's first draft could be a total crap shoot, while Detroit could add Matt Stafford, Louis Delmas, Brandon Pettigrew, and Sammie Lee Hill while we added....nothing.

I'm also glad to know that Seattle could have a draft that is a total crapshoot and add Okung, Earl Thomas, Golden Tate, Walter Thurmond, Kam Chancellor, Anthony McCoy, and Dexter Davis.

That's fucking bullshit, and you know it.

Those organizations seemed to do just fine with their "evaluation year".

BossChief
04-24-2010, 07:06 PM
Kick fucking Return was a must, but a fucking nose tackle wasn't.

In a THREE FUCKING FOUR

:facepalm:

I trust Romeo Crennels ability to gauge talent of NTs a lot better than any 20 of us combined. Romeo and Pioli obviously value the position and know what to look for and for some reason they didnt like what they saw this year. If Romeo thinks Williams can offer us a stop gap till we have a elite guy to man the position, I trust that.

There is a reason Troup was overdrafted and we passed on "elite" talents at the position. Crennels comments after coaching him in the shrine game

I have to say it, it gets a little old hearing some of you guys bitch and moan like you know everything about a player.

Am I happy with this draft?

YES, overall I would have to say so. Looking back... a decent draft gets you a player or two...a good one gets you 2 or 3, anything more than that is gravy.

We just drafted what looks to be at least 4 starters. 2 that are probowl and even all pro caliber.

Do I think we picked the best "players" on the board that translate to our team at every pick?

NO, but again I am not privy to the necessary information that relates to how the player (and person) translates to a millionaire pro football player.

Carry on with the whining.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:07 PM
I think Scott Pioli is really good at making people think that he's a hard worker, but it sure doesn't seem like he does much due diligence.

1 FA signed during cuts last pre season
Nothing but scrubs he's familiar with being signed last year
Having a half hour press conference while the fucking draft is going on and he could be calling UDFAs

But hey, we've got scouts at every game and we're gonna be active in the process, which is a fun process, because it's a process of a process that we're processing during a processional of processed foods.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 07:07 PM
...because they believe it. Their evaluation of the teams MOST PRESSING needs obviously doesn't fit what you and I thought they were.

BUT even they admitted that there are just too many holes to fill in one draft.

Here is how I see it playing out... (if we are lucky)

Draft #1 total crapshoot, basically guesswork (win 3 games)
Draft #2 filling as many needs as they can with best value players, not necessarily the biggest needs as we see them but needs (win 6 games)
Draft #3 filling the remaining needs (win 9 games)
Draft #4 upgrades (win 11 games)

This wasn't going to be fixed this year, we all knew that... they filled some holes and need at least one more draft to plug the remaining ones.

I think in season 3, you're also going to see a lot of really aggressive free agency moves.

I have no idea how that will translate into wins. I do think this team is on the right track for 8-8. He has to prove if he can build beyond that.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 07:08 PM
Yea but you like injured TE's.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:08 PM
I trust Romeo Crennels ability to gauge talent of NTs a lot better than any 20 of us combined. The Patriots obviously value the position and know what to look for and didnt like what they saw this year. If Romeo thinks Williams can offer us a stop gap till we have a elite guy to man the position, I trust that.

There is a reason Troup was overdrafted and we passed on "elite" talents at the position. Crennels comments after coaching him in the shrine game

I have to say it, it gets a little old hearing some of you guys bitch and moan like you know everything about a player.

Am I happy with this draft?

YES, overall I would have to say so. Looking back... a decent draft gets you a player or two...a good one gets you 2 or 3, anything more than that is gravy.

We just drafted what looks to be at least 4 starters. 2 that are probowl and even all pro caliber.

Do I think we picked the best "players" on the board that translate to our team at every pick?

NO, but again I am not privy to the necessary information that relates to how the player (and person) translates to a millionaire pro football player.

Carry on with the whining.

The Patriots have Vince Wilfork, Ron Brace, and drafted another nose tackle, Kade Weston, late, you dumb fuck.

So you fail on that one, too.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 07:09 PM
I think Scott Pioli is really good at making people think that he's a hard worker, but it sure doesn't seem like he does much due diligence.

1 FA signed during cuts last pre season
Nothing but scrubs he's familiar with being signed last year
Having a half hour press conference while the fucking draft is going on and he could be calling UDFAs

But hey, we've got scouts at every game and we're gonna be active in the process, which is a fun process, because it's a process of a process that we're processing during a processional of processed foods.

I'm going to subscribe to the process of punching him in the throat for being a fat dipshit.

AustinChief
04-24-2010, 07:09 PM
I'm glad to know that Kansas City's first draft could be a total crap shoot, while Detroit could add Matt Stafford, Louis Delmas, Brandon Pettigrew, and Sammie Lee Hill while we added....nothing.

I'm also glad to know that Seattle could have a draft that is a total crapshoot and add Okung, Earl Thomas, Golden Tate, Walter Thurmond, Kam Chancellor, Anthony McCoy, and Dexter Davis.

That's fucking bullshit, and you know it.

Those organizations seemed to do just fine with their "evaluation year".

Hey I'm not defending it, I'm just saying what I see playing out... I wouldn't have drafted like they did either. Of course I would also play a Dallas style 3-4 and probably a different offense...

Mecca
04-24-2010, 07:10 PM
The Patriots have Vince Wilfork, Ron Brace, and drafted another nose tackle, Kade Weston, late, you dumb fuck.

So you fail on that one, too.

His entire post is basically "they know more than us, so don't complain"

He's like the Jets fan from the ESPN package "obviously the Jets know something we don't"

TEX
04-24-2010, 07:12 PM
I think Scott Pioli is really good at making people think that he's a hard worker, but it sure doesn't seem like he does much due diligence.

1 FA signed during cuts last pre season
Nothing but scrubs he's familiar with being signed last year
Having a half hour press conference while the ****ing draft is going on and he could be calling UDFAs

But hey, we've got scouts at every game and we're gonna be active in the process, which is a fun process, because it's a process of a process that we're processing during a processional of processed foods.

This.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 07:12 PM
Yea but you like injured TE's.

And yet they're are a million and a half people pissed off that we didnt' draft Sergio Kindle.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:12 PM
I've said this before:

If you hire someone to lead your company, and he rubs some people the wrong way and makes some questionable decisions, you are concerned, but you give him time.

If he starts fucking doorknobs, you fire his retarded ass and figure out why you were so fucking stupid to hire him in the first place.

Well, Pioli has keyhole marks on his dickhead and our dumb shit owner is probably some where in Texas skipping through the draft so he can watch the World Cup promo with the Bono voice over that aired 30 billion fucking times this weekend.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 07:14 PM
And yet they're are a million and a half people pissed off that we didnt' draft Sergio Kindle.

Yea a pass rusher and a TE, those guys are heavily comparable.

BossChief
04-24-2010, 07:15 PM
Yea but you like injured TE's.And in the mock draft I waited till the comp 5th to take him for the Falcons.

What does that say for where I thought the value was for that specific player?

thanks for playing.

The Patriots have Vince Wilfork, Ron Brace, and drafted another nose tackle, Kade Weston, late, you dumb fuck.

So you fail on that one, too.

Which is totally different than looking for a player you expect to play 30-40 snaps per game NEXT YEAR.

I love it how Im a dumb fuck now, though.

Thanks.

I guess thats what I get for disagreeing with ya.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:16 PM
And yet they're are a million and a half people pissed off that we didnt' draft Sergio Kindle.

I'm not verklempt that we passed on Kindle, but his medical issues were

1) Only worrisome for a few teams including 1 according to Schefter that thought he might need microfracture
2) Never anything that kept him out

and more importantly, he proved that he could actually play football at a high level at a position of great impact.

Dave Lane
04-24-2010, 07:16 PM
Sheffield was a starting defensive end for three years; we are going to play him at the outside linebacker position and he has pretty dynamic pass rush ability. He will also have a shot with his speed and size to play on fourth down in some places.

Maybe a 4th down specialist??? Not sure what to make of their logic.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:17 PM
And in the mock draft I waited till the comp 5th to take him for the Falcons.

What does that say for where I thought the value was for that specific player?

thanks for playing.



Which is totally different than looking for a player you expect to play 30-40 snaps per game NEXT YEAR.

I love it how Im a dumb fuck now, though.

Thanks.

I guess thats what I get for disagreeing with ya.

You don't get called a dumb fuck for disagreeing with me, you get called a dumb fuck for saying dumb fuck things.

Well, if we aren't gonna win next year (and obviously we won't) why the fuck would we pass up one of the deepest NT classes ever, even if it takes a couple years for them to develop?

Mecca
04-24-2010, 07:18 PM
I'm pretty sure when the Ravens take someone it's time to consider the other teams the dumb ones, there's a reason they're the best drafting team in the league.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:18 PM
Sheffield was a starting defensive end for three years; we are going to play him at the outside linebacker position and he has pretty dynamic pass rush ability. He will also have a shot with his speed and size to play on fourth down in some places.

Maybe a 4th down specialist??? Not sure what to make of their logic.

Like everyone drafted other than Berry and Asamoah, he's a special teamer/role player.

BossChief
04-24-2010, 07:21 PM
His entire post is basically "they know more than us, so don't complain"

Yeah, cause thats exactly what Ive been saying all along...just quit.

I am simply saying that these guys hit on their high picks on the DL in NE so they obviously know what they are looking for in that specific position.

If they pass on certain players at that position, when in the past they hit on "reaches" that means they know what to look for there.

Like it or not, Romeo Crennel is a DL specialist with 5 or 6 rings to show for his efforts going all the way back to when Parcells was HC for the Giants. He knows how to do his job and if we thought someone was worth the pick, we probably would have made it.

milkman
04-24-2010, 07:22 PM
I'm not verklempt that we passed on Kindle, but his medical issues were

1) Only worrisome for a few teams including 1 according to Schefter that thought he might need microfracture
2) Never anything that kept him out

and more importantly, he proved that he could actually play football at a high level at a position of great impact.

Even if you throw Kindle out because of injury concerns, there were players like Benn, Misi, Troup.

We follow that up with Arenas, when there were players like Spikes (taken by the Pats), Tate, Sean Lee.

Guys that could have improved the front 7.

But hey, we got part time playmakers.

Yippee!

Mecca
04-24-2010, 07:23 PM
Crennel sure specialized in Cleveland trading first day picks for Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams who were both major disappointments.

KCChiefsMan
04-24-2010, 07:24 PM
I wish we could have a guy who represents the fans here on Chiefsplanet to ask a few questions.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:25 PM
I'm just really glad we didn't get any asshats like Linval Joseph, Everson Griffen, Ricky Sapp or Eric Norwood to fix the gaping fucking wounds on our defense.

But, hey, I'm sure Glenn Dorsey can change positions for the third straight year, put on the 40 lbs required to play the position, and anchor.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:26 PM
I wish we could have a guy who represents the fans here on Chiefsplanet to ask a few questions.

Q: Why shouldn't I break a florescent light bulb filled with anthrax spores off inside your asshole right now, Scott?

chiefs1111
04-24-2010, 07:27 PM
HALEY: “I think our process, and it has been a long and grueling process – fun for everyone involved, everybody that enjoys football – but it’s just all part of the process.

So how many more times do you think we will have to hear Pioli and Haley say "it's a process"? Seriously im sick of that line already. I say screw the damn process

philfree
04-24-2010, 07:27 PM
Even if you throw Kindle out because of injury concerns, there were players like Benn, Misi, Troup.

We follow that up with Arenas, when there were players like Spikes (taken by the Pats), Tate, Sean Lee.

Guys that could have improved the front 7.

But hey, we got part time playmakers.

Yippee!

We would have had to taken Misi at #36.


PhilFree:arrow:

Mecca
04-24-2010, 07:28 PM
Q: Why shouldn't I break a florescent light bulb filled with anthrax spores off inside your asshole right now, Scott?

"You have to trust the process"

TheGuardian
04-24-2010, 07:28 PM
I call a spade a spade. Even if Arenas is a good player, it wasn't a need at all. And MCCluster is a return guy too. So why did we draft two return guys? Again, I'm ok with the McCluster pick, especially if we had followed that up by taking Cody, or even Cam in the 5th. But we didn't draft a nose tackle at all.

If you look at the teams that run a 30 front and run it WELL, each season. They tend to take a nose tackle almost every single year. There is a reason for that. Finding good nose tackles is hard, you gotta take a lot of shots.

We drafted a guy that may can play some outside rush backer, but we still needed a nose tackle and an inside guy. We drafted neither. It's hard to even understand.

However, some of what Pioli says here is true. Tyson Jackson, if he improves a lot (like how Dorsey did) and Dorsey takes another step, then the line will be better. A lot. However we still need two guys inside that can blow up fullbacks and run to the ball and make a statement when they get there. So far, we don't have two starting guys like that.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 07:29 PM
"You have to trust the process"

LMAO That was awesome.

milkman
04-24-2010, 07:32 PM
We would have had to taken Misi at #36.


PhilFree:arrow:

I was talking about 36 when I mentioned Benn, Misi and Troup.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:32 PM
FWIW, they said "process" 9 fucking times in that press conference.

BossChief
04-24-2010, 07:33 PM
I'm not verklempt that we passed on Kindle, but his medical issues were

1) Only worrisome for a few teams including 1 according to Schefter that thought he might need microfracture
2) Never anything that kept him out

and more importantly, he proved that he could actually play football at a high level at a position of great impact.I can say that if a player NEEDS microfracture surgery and played on it anyway, it can cause very serious long term problems.

Thats a lot of ??? for a player that high that isnt a good run defender to start with.

The Ravens can afford to risk a player like him because they have the position manned for the next couple years and if he busts the team doesnt get significantly hurt by it, as much as we would...that doesnt mean I am sold that DMC was the best way to spend the resources we had, but we need playmakers and we got some.

I can deal with it.

I'm pretty sure when the Ravens take someone it's time to consider the other teams the dumb ones, there's a reason they're the best drafting team in the league.

I bet about anything that if we took Cody, someone would have said we should have looked at the available playmakers in such a deep class of nose guards.

The kid is Spiller light and you were fine with Spiller in the first round, no?

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 07:35 PM
Instead of washing Crennel's balls as some kind of defensive line guru, maybe we should consider the possibility he's just as dumb as the rest of the Patriot Way leftovers and is just fine with riding Pioli's coattails and cashing in on his time in New England.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:35 PM
He's not Spiller lite, he's Spiller Lighter and Slower.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 07:37 PM
Instead of washing Crennel's balls as some kind of defensive line guru, maybe we should consider the possibility he's just as dumb as the rest of the Patriot Way leftovers and is just fine with riding Pioli's coattails and cashing in on his time in New England.

I don't know, he consistently coordinated defenses that were in the top five of the league when coaching in Cleveland, and those teams lacked talent up front. He was able to turn them into a monstrous unit by the sheer force of his magnetic personality.

philfree
04-24-2010, 07:37 PM
I was talking about 36 when I mentioned Benn, Misi and Troup.

You would have picked Misi or Troup at #36 before the draft started? And McCluster is better the Benn.


PhilFree:arrow:

milkman
04-24-2010, 07:40 PM
You would have picked Misi or Troup at #36 before the draft started? And McCluster is better the Benn.


PhilFree:arrow:

I said a couple of times over the last few months that I liked Misi and might take him at 36, though that might be a little high.

But that is not actually the point.

I'm looking at guys that were drafted in the next few picks after McCluster who could have come in and become full time contributors.

But hey, we got is some nice shiny part time toys.

DTLB58
04-24-2010, 07:42 PM
I wish we could have a guy who represents the fans here on Chiefsplanet to ask a few questions.

I think Gretz did a good job of asking one question we would have asked.

Ari Chi3fs
04-24-2010, 07:43 PM
"I'm the captain!!"

"NO!! I'm the captain."

"Bullshit you are. I'm a character guy."

"I'm a character guy AND I've been captain of my team since 9th grade."

"Go fuck your sister, I'm captain, bitch."

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 07:43 PM
He was able to turn them into a monstrous unit by the sheer force of his magnetic personality.

He's the size of a small moon. He has his own gravitational field. He absolutely has a magnetic personality.

aturnis
04-24-2010, 07:44 PM
Even if you throw Kindle out because of injury concerns, there were players like Benn, Misi, Troup.

We follow that up with Arenas, when there were players like Spikes (taken by the Pats), Tate, Sean Lee.

Guys that could have improved the front 7.

But hey, we got part time playmakers.

Yippee!

If you would have suggested the Chiefs picked Troupe and Spikes at the spots they were taken a week ago, after countless discussions and mock drafts. You would have been verbally raped. There is no question that those players were reaches where they were picked.

Nobody here has even considered taking either of them before the third round. If they had taken them in the 2nd, you all would be crucifying Pioli and Haley for reaching. They are in a no win situation.

Don't whine about those two particular players just b/c you wanted them and we didn't get them. NE and Buffalo reached. They knew if they didn't, they wouldn't get them in the third where they wanted them. Period. The Chiefs stuck to their board, good for them. I think the team will be much better next year.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 07:44 PM
LMAO @ hamas bonaparte jenkins

philfree
04-24-2010, 07:45 PM
I said a couple of times over the last few months that I liked Misi and might take him at 36, though that might be a little high.

But that is not actually the point.

I'm looking at guys that were drafted in the next few picks after McCluster who could have come in and become full time contributors.

But hey, we got is some nice shiny part time toys.

I think McCluster will be a full time player. He may not line up as a #2 WR every snap but he'll be on the field alot IMO. Time will tell.


PhilFree:arrow:

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 07:45 PM
I think McCluster will be a full time player. He may not line up as a #2 WR every snap but he'll be on the field alot IMO. Time will tell.


PhilFree:arrow:

I bet he NEVER lines up as a #2 WR.

He's 5-4, 87 pounds.

milkman
04-24-2010, 07:46 PM
"I'm the captain!!"

"NO!! I'm the captain."

"Bullshit you are. I'm a character guy."

"I'm a character guy AND I've been captain of my team since 9th grade."

"Go **** your sister, I'm captain, bitch."

What's wrong with fucking my sister?[/Tony Washington]

TheGuardian
04-24-2010, 07:48 PM
I bet he NEVER lines up as a #2 WR.

He's 5-4, 87 pounds.

He may not but he'll return kicks or punts and he'll play a hell of a lot of snaps. he'll be the slot WR. The McCluster pick isn't a problem. I don't give a fuck what his height/weight is, people need to stfu about that it's irrelevant. The biggest problem was the players we didn't take, not the ones we did.

BossChief
04-24-2010, 07:48 PM
Even if you throw Kindle out because of injury concerns, there were players like Benn, Misi, Troup.

We follow that up with Arenas, when there were players like Spikes (taken by the Pats), Tate, Sean Lee.

Guys that could have improved the front 7.

But hey, we got part time playmakers.

Yippee!FTR I dont think there is a person on here that would have been ok if we had taken any of those guys (except maybe Benn) at 2a.

It would have been a different argument is all.

I don't know, he consistently coordinated defenses that were in the top five of the league when coaching in Cleveland, and those teams lacked talent up front. He was able to turn them into a monstrous unit by the sheer force of his magnetic personality.

so, what is the chance Romeo learned from his mistake in Cleveland and that is the reason he stays away from certain types of NTs?

Maybe he saw a lot of Rodgers in Cody and prefered to wait for a true elite guy for the spot, like they did in NE.

Dont get me wrong though, I was yelling at the TV when we passed on Clausen and Cody..among other players.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 07:50 PM
Maybe he saw a lot of Rodgers in Cody and prefered to wait for a true elite guy for the spot, like they did in NE.


Maybe he's just a dumbfuck like the rest of these Boston Buttheads.

I spent a full year arguing that Herm could "improve."

milkman
04-24-2010, 07:52 PM
FTR I dont think there is a person on here that would have been ok if we had taken any of those guys (except maybe Benn) at 2a.

It would have been a different argument is all.



so, what is the chance Romeo learned from his mistake in Cleveland and that is the reason he stays away from certain types of NTs?

Maybe he saw a lot of Rodgers in Cody and prefered to wait for a true elite guy for the spot, like they did in NE.

Dont get me wrong though, I was yelling at the TV when we passed on Clausen and Cody..among other players.

I might have been the only person that didn't bitch about Misi, and I highly doubt anyone would have bitched about Tate and Sean Lee, unless they simply didn't like the players.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 07:52 PM
I said a couple of times over the last few months that I liked Misi and might take him at 36, though that might be a little high.

But that is not actually the point.

I'm looking at guys that were drafted in the next few picks after McCluster who could have come in and become full time contributors.

But hey, we got is some nice shiny part time toys.

we should have traded our 4 to move up for Hughes

Berry
Hughes

homerun

philfree
04-24-2010, 07:53 PM
I bet he NEVER lines up as a #2 WR.
He's 5-4, 87 pounds.

NO kidding? Obviously you didn't uderstand. He'll be on the field alot and he'll be lined up where ever we can create a mismatch.


PhilFree:arrow:

Ebolapox
04-24-2010, 07:54 PM
holy crap, I just figured out the perfect analogy for this fucked up situation...

george costanza : new york yankees :: scott pioli : kansas city chiefs

they even look a bit alike (bald, bit chunky, clueless)

Reaper16
04-24-2010, 07:58 PM
holy crap, I just figured out the perfect analogy for this fucked up situation...

george costanza : new york yankees :: scott pioli : kansas city chiefs

they even look a bit alike (bald, bit chunky, clueless)
There's no need to go to New York to find the perfect analogy. Just go across the parking lot to Kaufman. Dayton Moore and Scott Pioli are the exact same kind of individual. Its eerie.

Ebolapox
04-24-2010, 08:02 PM
There's no need to go to New York to find the perfect analogy. Just go across the parking lot to Kaufman. Dayton Moore and Scott Pioli are the exact same kind of individual. Its eerie.

that's a real life example. my example is a seinfeld reference. at one point, costanza got temporary control of the yankees (back when they sucked). hilarity ensued.

after a while more of this, all we'll be able to do is laugh as the hilarity ensues.

BossChief
04-24-2010, 08:02 PM
Maybe he's just a dumbfuck like the rest of these Boston Buttheads.

I spent a full year arguing that Herm could "improve."its a definite possibility, but only half his rings came from NE.

I have a shitton more hope for these coordinators than I have had for ANY previous ones we have had during my lifetime.


I might have been the only person that didn't bitch about Misi, and I highly doubt anyone would have bitched about Tate and Sean Lee, unless they simply didn't like the players.

The issue with the Dexter picks wasnt Dexter at all, it was passing on Clausen/Kindle.

We all know that.

A franchise quarterback was so close we could taste it and we chose to pass.

This place would have annihilated the Sean Lee pick. People would be saying "look at what a good drafting team did with their pick a few slots later, they got Dexter McCluster...we dont like playmakers, thats it" maybe not as much at 2b, but at 2a it would have been an abomination of a reach pick.

JASONSAUTO
04-24-2010, 08:03 PM
If you would have suggested the Chiefs picked Troupe and Spikes at the spots they were taken a week ago, after countless discussions and mock drafts. You would have been verbally raped. There is no question that those players were reaches where they were picked.

Nobody here has even considered taking either of them before the third round. If they had taken them in the 2nd, you all would be crucifying Pioli and Haley for reaching. They are in a no win situation.

Don't whine about those two particular players just b/c you wanted them and we didn't get them. NE and Buffalo reached. They knew if they didn't, they wouldn't get them in the third where they wanted them. Period. The Chiefs stuck to their board, good for them. I think the team will be much better next year.

i picked spikes at our 2b in the competition last week.
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the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 08:04 PM
its a definite possibility, but only half his rings came from NE.

I have a shitton more hope for these coordinators than I have had for ANY previous ones we have had during my lifetime.




The issue with the Dexter picks wasnt Dexter at all, it was passing on Clausen/Kindle.

We all know that.

A franchise quarterback was so close we could taste it and we chose to pass.

This place would have annihilated the Sean Lee pick. People would be saying "look at what a good drafting team did with their pick a few slots later, they got Dexter McCluster...we dont like playmakers, thats it" maybe not as much at 2b, but at 2a it would have been an abomination of a reach pick.

nobody here knew who mccluster was...literally

Ebolapox
04-24-2010, 08:05 PM
nobody here knew who mccluster was...literally

oh, I knew who he was, I just didn't expect him to be drafted in the second round.

Reaper16
04-24-2010, 08:06 PM
nobody here knew who mccluster was...literally
That's not true. If you watch college football at all then you knew who Dexter McCluster was.

milkman
04-24-2010, 08:06 PM
its a definite possibility, but only half his rings came from NE.

I have a shitton more hope for these coordinators than I have had for ANY previous ones we have had during my lifetime.




The issue with the Dexter picks wasnt Dexter at all, it was passing on Clausen/Kindle.

We all know that.

A franchise quarterback was so close we could taste it and we chose to pass.

This place would have annihilated the Sean Lee pick. People would be saying "look at what a good drafting team did with their pick a few slots later, they got Dexter McCluster...we dont like playmakers, thats it" maybe not as much at 2b, but at 2a it would have been an abomination of a reach pick.

That QB thing might be an issue for some, even most, but how many times did I say I am not sold on Clausen, so my disdain for the pick has nothing to do with Jimmy Clausen.

My argument is that we took fucking part time player on a team with more fucking holes than fucking swiss cheese.

It's not that fucking hard to understand.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:06 PM
I might have been the only person that didn't bitch about Misi, and I highly doubt anyone would have bitched about Tate and Sean Lee, unless they simply didn't like the players.

I would have liked Tate too, but we have to give this a chance before we tear into it. Because if McCluster can do some of the things he does, he adds a lot of dimensions Tate can't. He can pass protect, he can run the ball if we need another back to take the load off Charles, and he seems to me to be a much better YAC option than Tate, which I think is a lot more valuable.

I see his role being part Golden Tate, part Kevin Faulk. I just don't buy into the idea that he's going to be purely a slot receiver.

Again, this is all talk right now. Kris Wilson seemed like a great idea in theory, until we realized he wasn't actually any good in practice.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 08:07 PM
oh, I knew who he was, I just didn't expect him to be drafted in the second round.


but my point was people weren't going to complain about passing on a player they had never heard of

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:07 PM
I knew who McCluster was, and I ripped on him a number of times because his speed score was absolutely fucking abysmal.

Priest31kc
04-24-2010, 08:07 PM
nobody here knew who mccluster was...literally

Yeah, nobody knew who he was, thats why ESPN and NFL Network had cameras in his house.

If you watch college football AT ALL, you know who Dexter McCluster is.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:07 PM
oh, I knew who he was, I just didn't expect him to be drafted in the second round.

You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone outside of KC that agrees with this. He was pretty consistently a 2nd round pick from most boards I saw.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:07 PM
If he's not our primary slot receiver, Pioli is dumb as fuck.

It's not any more complicated than this.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 08:08 PM
That's not true. If you watch college football at all then you knew who Dexter McCluster was.

most chiefs fans didn't know


i realize the diehards did...

Ebolapox
04-24-2010, 08:10 PM
You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone outside of KC that agrees with this. He was pretty consistently a 2nd round pick from most boards I saw.

oh, I don't claim to be an expert at all. I watch a little college football, and he looked great during the year. he wasn't on many of the mock drafts I'd seen, though. small sample size? highly possible.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:10 PM
I knew who McCluster was, and I ripped on him a number of times because his speed score was absolutely ****ing abysmal.

But that's ignoring that he ended up with a 4.45 on his pro day. More importantly, he absolutely dominated the short shuttle drills, which says a lot about his agility and ability to make quick cuts. That's something that should be clear if you watch any of his combine drills or games, and it's probably something that a short guy, who can stay very low to the ground, can do a lot better than a tall guy.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:11 PM
mccluster will probably be a fan favorite in a few yrs. he really reminds me of dante hall

Ebolapox
04-24-2010, 08:12 PM
and for the record, turk mcbride was once a legitimate 'fast rising' second round prospect (most mocks had him 2nd/3rd round pick). not comparing the two, just pointing out that a 'guy is a second round prospect' means jack and shit (fuck, I just sounded like pioli. FUCK!)

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:12 PM
All these numbers are is a metric to explain 40 times by weight no more no less.Its a way to compare backs with indiscernable speed and size with a score.
1.CJ Spiller 117.91
2.Ryan Matthews 115.28
3.Ben Tate 112.20
4.Jahvid Best 111.15
5.Monterio Hardesty 110.72
6.Toby Gerhart 109.71
7..Lonyae Miller 108.75
8.Jamie Starks 108.24
9.Legarette Blount 105.80
10.Joe Mcknight 103.75
11.Jonathan Dwyer 103.18
12.Javaras James 100.69
13.Charles Scott 100.08
14.Anthony Dixon 99.67
15.John Conner 99.13
16.Shawnbrey Mcneal 97.18
17.Rashawn Jackson 95.5
18.Chris Brown 95.45
19.Joique Bell 94.11
20.Stafon Johnson 90.76
21.Manase Tonga 88.58
22.Andre Dixon 88.45
23.Darius Marshall 87.88
24.Keith Tolston 87.3
25. Pat Paschall 86.39
26.Dexter Mccluster 80.26

2008 Draft
http://www.dontboothebirds.com/img/Speed%20Scores%2008.png


2009 Draft
http://www.dontboothebirds.com/img/Speed%20Scores%2009.png

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:13 PM
If he's not our primary slot receiver, Pioli is dumb as ****.

It's not any more complicated than this.

If he's a solid slot receiver and a Kevin Faulk type RB option, this pick will work out very well for us.

People forget that when Weis was with the Patriots, Brady was throwing a shitload of underneath passes to his RBs. Faulk had a 700 yard season. If we know anything about Weis' offense, his bread-and-butter is underneath stuff with a lot of YAC. And you'd be hard-pressed to think of any player on our team that can do that right now. They tried with Wade and Long and failed miserably.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 08:13 PM
This is from 3/17 in the mock draft thread.

This selection is a toy for the Bengals offense. They need playmakers, and this guy is one. They can use him in the slot as he is a good route runner, or he can line up in the backfield on third downs and get some carries. The Bengals have been missing a home run threat, and they get one here in the third round. The Bengals select Dexter McCluster, RB/WR, Mississipi.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3337822

His speed score was the 8th worst in the last 11 years. Every other player with a worse score went undrafted, and the only one to even stick in the league was Aaron Stecker.

So, are you saying he is going to go undrafted, or what is your point?

He's a huge risk, because for his size he should be much faster. I think he goes a lot lower than people on here expect.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:14 PM
But that's ignoring that he ended up with a 4.45 on his pro day. More importantly, he absolutely dominated the short shuttle drills, which says a lot about his agility and ability to make quick cuts. That's something that should be clear if you watch any of his combine drills or games, and it's probably something that a short guy, who can stay very low to the ground, can do a lot better than a tall guy.

Fine. Then I also want you to acknowledge that Taylor Mays would have run a 4.08 and Spiller would have run a 4.16 at their pro days.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:14 PM
Personally I enjoy how we're drafting players to compliment our QB who cant throw the ball more than 3 yards.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:15 PM
All these numbers are is a metric to explain 40 times by weight no more no less.Its a way to compare backs with indiscernable speed and size with a score.
1.CJ Spiller 117.91
2.Ryan Matthews 115.28
3.Ben Tate 112.20
4.Jahvid Best 111.15
5.Monterio Hardesty 110.72
6.Toby Gerhart 109.71
7..Lonyae Miller 108.75
8.Jamie Starks 108.24
9.Legarette Blount 105.80
10.Joe Mcknight 103.75
11.Jonathan Dwyer 103.18
12.Javaras James 100.69
13.Charles Scott 100.08
14.Anthony Dixon 99.67
15.John Conner 99.13
16.Shawnbrey Mcneal 97.18
17.Rashawn Jackson 95.5
18.Chris Brown 95.45
19.Joique Bell 94.11
20.Stafon Johnson 90.76
21.Manase Tonga 88.58
22.Andre Dixon 88.45
23.Darius Marshall 87.88
24.Keith Tolston 87.3
25. Pat Paschall 86.39
26.Dexter Mccluster 80.26

2008 Draft
http://www.dontboothebirds.com/img/Speed%20Scores%2008.png


2009 Draft
http://www.dontboothebirds.com/img/Speed%20Scores%2009.png

And you'd have to be an idiot to see on-the-field play and think that Gerhart offers more in this department than McCluster.

He had a horrible 40 time in the combine. But that's not necessarily representative of what he did on the field and the pro day. There are some that say that his 40 time was affected by a late start out the gate and not being trained to run in a directly straight path.

There's just no way anyone can watch tape and say this is a 4.58 guy.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:16 PM
I apologize for not properly accounting for Scott Pioli's stupidity.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:16 PM
Obviously you build teams around shiny toys when you lack a foundation, makes perfect sense.

Pestilence
04-24-2010, 08:17 PM
Pioli is basically drafting players who will never live up to their draft pick. McCluster better be a 100 catch slot receiver ala Wes Welker for him to be worth the 2nd round pick we spent on him.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:17 PM
our secondary will need to be the backbone of our defense from now on

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:18 PM
I see no problem with a guy who has 8 1/2" hands being able to catch 100 NFL balls a year.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:18 PM
Pioli is basically drafting players who will never live up to their draft pick. McCluster better be a 100 catch slot receiver ala Wes Welker for him to be worth the 2nd round pick we spent on him.

Pretty much, but hey he might be, I'm sure with who our QB is our entire offense is going to revolve around the bubble screen and 3 yard check off.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 08:18 PM
Pioli is basically drafting players who will never live up to their draft pick. McCluster better be a 100 catch slot receiver ala Wes Welker for him to be worth the 2nd round pick we spent on him.

he has to literally be wes welker to justify that pick


#36

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:20 PM
FWIW, McCluster had the smallest hands of anyone invited to the combine other than Brandon Banks.

Always a trait you look for in a WR.

It'll also be fun to watch him jump over the middle trying to haul in a Cassel air mail with his 29" arms.

Pestilence
04-24-2010, 08:21 PM
Don't worry guys.....we just drafted Ed Reed, Wes Welker, Devin Hester, Will Shields, Will Shields and Dallas Clark! /true fans

BossChief
04-24-2010, 08:21 PM
That QB thing might be an issue for some, even most, but how many times did I say I am not sold on Clausen, so my disdain for the pick has nothing to do with Jimmy Clausen.

My argument is that we took fucking part time player on a team with more fucking holes than fucking swiss cheese.

It's not that fucking hard to understand.to be fair, lets see what role he plays before we label him a part time player..cool?

I knew who McCluster was, and I ripped on him a number of times because his speed score was absolutely fucking abysmal.
why is it that the guys you like get .15 taken off their 40 time because of the slow track, but the guys you dislike get .15 added to their pro day time?

I dont get that.

I would like to see that equation figured in with his pro day times.

The guy I saw play DIDNT run a 4.6, he was so electric he consistantly broke plays open.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2010, 08:21 PM
What was the knock on Dante Hall? McCluster is the same height and 25lbs lighter. Short career coming.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:21 PM
People are already making excuses for this player. LMAO.

Unfuckingbelievable.

If this douche isn't the second coming of Percy Harvin, it's a joke of a fucking pick. I will not back off of this stance, although I realize that a lot of fans don't want to ascribe accountability to Dayton Pioli.

mlyonsd
04-24-2010, 08:22 PM
our secondary will need to be the backbone of our defense from now on

I've heard countless people state offenses are changing where passing is the key. I think this draft is proof Pioli sees the same thing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:22 PM
Pretty much, but hey he might be, I'm sure with who our QB is our entire offense is going to revolve around the bubble screen and 3 yard check off.

They are going to jam Bowe at the line and completely flood the short zones against us all year.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 08:22 PM
People are already making excuses for this player. LMAO.

Un****ingbelievable.

If this douche isn't the second coming of Percy Harvin, it's a joke of a ****ing pick. I will not back off of this stance, although I realize that a lot of fans don't want to ascribe accountability to Dayton Pioli.

Hootie and the True Fans have already swore up and down he's Wes Welker



the bar is set

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:23 PM
Don't worry guys.....we just drafted Ed Reed, Wes Welker, Devin Hester, Will Shields, Will Shields and Dallas Clark! /true fans

I see you have channeled Hootie, that is still probably the dumbest take I have seen all weekend.

He's just one of those guys the Chiefs pick someone and they're gonna be awesome, fuck he said Jackson ruled last year.

You'd think after having 1 good draft in 20 years people would actually you know use critical thinking about our picks.

Pestilence
04-24-2010, 08:23 PM
I touted Jimmy Clausen the entire time....but take him out of the equation and there were TONS of people that would have been better picked in the 2nd rounds. Fuck....replace Arenas with Cody and I can deal with the McCluster pick......but fucking hell man.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:24 PM
They are going to jam Bowe at the line and completely flood the short zones against us all year.

I can't wait for that first pick 6 because that dunk passing game doesn't work when Randy Moss isn't out there.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:24 PM
to be fair, lets see what role he plays before we label him a part time player..cool?


why is it that the guys you like get .15 taken off their 40 time because of the slow track, but the guys you dislike get .15 added to their pro day time?

I dont get that.

I would like to see that equation figured in with his pro day times.

The guy I saw play DIDNT run a 4.6, he was so electric he consistantly broke plays open.

They don't.

What you run at the Combine is what your time is. It's the only control in the experiment.

It's pretty obvious that when everyone runs at their pro day and shaves off .15 seconds, if you want to gauge a guy who didn't run in Indy you should probably add .15 seconds.

Pestilence
04-24-2010, 08:24 PM
Hootie and the True Fans have already swore up and down he's Wes Welker



the bar is set

Oh I've set the bar higher than that. We BETTER fucking win at least 7-8 games next year....or someone's head needs to roll.

I feel sorry for Haley though....because his head is first on the chopping block if they suck.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:24 PM
I touted Jimmy Clausen the entire time....but take him out of the equation and there were TONS of people that would have been better picked in the 2nd rounds. Fuck....replace Arenas with Cody and I can deal with the McCluster pick......but fucking hell man.

You add a pass rusher and a NT to this draft you can overlook a lot...we got neither. Does this team really think there's no need to draft pass rushers but collect DB's?

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:26 PM
Hootie and the True Fans have already swore up and down he's Wes Welker



the bar is set

Absolutely.

Immediate, major production. Nothing less. Because, hey, we couldn't let him fall to Cleveland, oops I mean Philly.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:26 PM
I feel sorry for Haley though....because his head is first on the chopping block if they suck.

He can fucking die of cat AIDS as far as I'm concerned. Fuck him.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:26 PM
Pioli is basically drafting players who will never live up to their draft pick. McCluster better be a 100 catch slot receiver ala Wes Welker for him to be worth the 2nd round pick we spent on him.

What? That's totally ridiculous. That's like saying any OLB we get that doesn't put up 10 sacks in the second round is a bust.

That's going to be virtually everyone we listed.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:27 PM
You wanna make dipshit picks to prove you're a genius, that motherfucker better produce, period.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:27 PM
What? That's totally ridiculous. That's like saying any OLB we get that doesn't put up 10 sacks in the second round is a bust.

That's going to be virtually everyone we listed.

60-800-6.

That's the standard.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:28 PM
People are already making excuses for this player. LMAO.

Un****ingbelievable.

If this douche isn't the second coming of Percy Harvin, it's a joke of a ****ing pick. I will not back off of this stance, although I realize that a lot of fans don't want to ascribe accountability to Dayton Pioli.

ANd I'm saying either Darren Sproles.

Or a Kevin Faulk / Golden Tate hybrid.

Either way, I'll agree, if he's not getting 800 all-purpose yards by his 2nd or 3rd year, it was a bad pick.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:29 PM
This is what I've come to realize, teams that draft well are usually the teams that take who they are suppose to take. Baltimore consistently makes obvious picks, stunningly they are good picks.

There's something to be said for being smart enough to just take who the fuck you're suppose to take instead of reaching for bumblefuck mcdipshit from slapdick U to prove how much smarter you are than everyone else.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:30 PM
ANd I'm saying either Darren Sproles.

Or a Kevin Faulk / Golden Tate hybrid.

Either way, I'll agree, if he's not getting 800 all-purpose yards by his 2nd or 3rd year, it was a bad pick.

No, no, no. Year 1.

With this draft class and legit starters/impact players on the board, this is a hit-the-ground-running scenario.

There will be no "grace" or "transition" period. Produce. Now. Or GTFO.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:30 PM
No, no, no. Year 1.

With this draft class and legit starters/impact players on the board, this is a hit-the-ground-running scenario.

There will be no "grace" or "transition" period. Produce. Now. Or GTFO.

That's ridiculous.

I guaran-fucking-tee that most Nose Tackles and OLBs are going to take 2-3 years. Those are the benchmark. Why do they get a headstart?

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:31 PM
how about this. . . . mccluster is going to be haley's mini-fitzgerald, lol

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:32 PM
I can't wait for that first pick 6 because that dunk passing game doesn't work when Randy Moss isn't out there.

The dink-and-dunk passing game worked very effectively when Brady was throwing to Troy Brown and his major dink-and-dunk option was Kevin Faulk. People forget that in the first years of the Patriots' dynasty run, they didn't have amazing playmakers on offense. They very often used their RBs in the passing game as their way of running the ball.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2010, 08:33 PM
And their offense was mediocre because of it.

That team won because it had a very good defense filled with 1st and second round talent.

Ebolapox
04-24-2010, 08:33 PM
That's ridiculous.

I guaran-fucking-tee that most Nose Tackles and OLBs are going to take 2-3 years. Those are the benchmark. Why do they get a headstart?

we didn't fucking DRAFT any nose tackles, and barely drafted an OLB. it's hard to say, isn't it?

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:33 PM
That's ridiculous.

I guaran-****ing-tee that most Nose Tackles and OLBs are going to take 2-3 years. Those are the benchmark. Why do they get a headstart?

Did we draft a NT or an OLB?

What did that one LB do for Washington again, last year? What about those two douches from USC last year? How did that fat fuck up in GB do again?

It's time for fans to take the diapers off and expect results.

60-800-6 in year 1 or GTFO.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:33 PM
Matt Cassel is not as accurate as Brady...he will hit defenders with the ball if we do this without anyone respecting the deep ball.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:34 PM
If you're gonna take luxury picks, you get no grace period.

BossChief
04-24-2010, 08:34 PM
Personally I enjoy how we're drafting players to compliment our QB who cant throw the ball more than 3 yards.

this is what the arguing point should be, if nothing else.

Obviously you build teams around shiny toys when you lack a foundation, makes perfect sense.

can someone besides me explain why this post is fucking hilarious?

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:36 PM
Someone seriously explain to me why we're drafting players to compliment our shit ass QB?

Because God forbid Pioli admit that Cassel is a fucking abomination and he's a stupid fuck for making that trade? So now we're stuck drafting guys like McCluster and Moeaki to save Pioli's ass because Cassel can't complete a pass over 5 yards, this is brilliance.

doomy3
04-24-2010, 08:36 PM
Did we draft a NT or an OLB?

What did that one LB do for Washington again, last year? What about those two douches from USC last year? How did that fat **** up in GB do again?

It's time for fans to take the diapers off and expect results.

60-800-6 in year 1 or GTFO.

Raji didn't do anything last year, did he? I know he didn't even start most of the year.

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 08:36 PM
This is what I've come to realize, teams that draft well are usually the teams that take who they are suppose to take. Baltimore consistently makes obvious picks, stunningly they are good picks.

There's something to be said for being smart enough to just take who the **** you're suppose to take instead of reaching for bumble**** mcdipshit from slapdick U to prove how much smarter you are than everyone else.

Yeah, I suppose that's why they've won a whopping ONE Super Bowl. :rolleyes:

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:37 PM
And Brokaki needs to be in this discussion, too.

If you're going to trade picks for a TE, for a second year in a row, you damn well need to get one right.

doomy3
04-24-2010, 08:37 PM
this is what the arguing point should be, if nothing else.



can someone besides me explain why this post is ****ing hilarious?

Because Mecca and others would have been happy drafting CJ Spiller at #5 overall?

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:38 PM
If you are going to argue that Baltimore sucks at drafting there is no hope for you.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:38 PM
Raji didn't do anything last year, did he? I know he didn't even start most of the year.

He was a solid player. Flashy stats? Nope. Not at all. But far more productive than Jackson.

penchief
04-24-2010, 08:39 PM
Considering what I just witnessed, I wouldn't put anything past them.

It wasn't anything like you say. You're as misguided as you claim Pioli is. You're just pissed that they didn't draft that lazy fatass Cody, a guy who has proven he has no self-respect. So what the hell do you know?

And Clausen? Apparently your evaluation skills aren't anywhere near what you think they are. Because it doesn't take 48 picks for a "franchise quarterback" to get drafted. Hell, I had a better grasp on Clausen's value than you did.

I listen to you bitch every year about how horrible the draft choices are but your track record is no better than anyone else's, including Pioli's. You're no smarter than Pioli or anyone else. So please, stop acting like you are. Enough with all your sanctamonious outrage.

doomy3
04-24-2010, 08:39 PM
If you are going to argue that Baltimore sucks at drafting there is no hope for you.

Who the fuck is arguing that? Sometimes I think you see imaginary things on this board.

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 08:39 PM
If you are going to argue that Baltimore sucks at drafting there is no hope for you.

Well, according to you, their drafts are making them perennial Super Bowl winners and that every fucking team in the league should duplicate their massive success at drafting.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:39 PM
I watched Buffalo get a NT and a 5 tech without using a 1st round pick in 1 draft...the Chiefs used a top 3 pick and don't have a NT over 2 drafts...ponder that.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:39 PM
Who the fuck is arguing that? Sometimes I think you see imaginary things on this board.

Read Cosmicpal's post.

penchief
04-24-2010, 08:40 PM
Because Mecca and others would have been happy drafting CJ Spiller at #5 overall?

Yeah, and they would have been more happy drafting someone who lasted 48 picks. Talk about a ****ing reach.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:40 PM
Did we draft a NT or an OLB?

What did that one LB do for Washington again, last year? What about those two douches from USC last year? How did that fat **** up in GB do again?

It's time for fans to take the diapers off and expect results.

60-800-6 in year 1 or GTFO.

If we're pissed that we passed on a Nose Tackle or a pass rusher, then it's ridiculous to expect McCluster to be an immediate success while the Nose Tackle may take 2-3 years to develop.

Because are you going to cut BJ Raji and tell him to GTFO because he didn't perform in year 1?

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:40 PM
Well, according to you, their drafts are making them perennial Super Bowl winners and that every fucking team in the league should duplicate their massive success at drafting.

:facepalm:

You don't think teams like Baltimore and Indy are the best drafting teams in the league? Because they don't win the bowl every year? really?

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:40 PM
Because Mecca and others would have been happy drafting CJ Spiller at #5 overall?

That's not entirely accurate.

Most of those discussions presupposed that Clausen and Berry were already off the board.

And Spiller and McCluster don't belong in the same sentence, IMO. These two players are even farther apart than Berry and Thomas, to name another couple of players who have been oft lumped together.

doomy3
04-24-2010, 08:41 PM
He was a solid player. Flashy stats? Nope. Not at all. But far more productive than Jackson.

I honestly don't know how you can make this statement. He couldn't get on the field much with Pickett there. He really didn't do much at all his rookie year. If TJ was nonexistent, so was Raji.

Reaper16
04-24-2010, 08:41 PM
Because Mecca and others would have been happy drafting CJ Spiller at #5 overall?
Very, very few people would have been happy with that. Spiller was a justifiable pick at #5, I felt, but he was far, far from the best pick. (He's justifiable there because he does everything that McCluster does, only better. AND he's a legit RB at the NFL level, too).

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:42 PM
If we're pissed that we passed on a Nose Tackle or a pass rusher, then it's ridiculous to expect McCluster to be an immediate success while the Nose Tackle may take 2-3 years to develop.

Because are you going to cut BJ Raji and tell him to GTFO because he didn't perform in year 1?

Do you believe that a WR/RB hybrid should be more NFL ready than a d-lineman?

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:42 PM
Comparing Dexter McCluster to CJ Spiller....yea they're the same guy.

If you take away half of Spillers production, shrink him 4 inches, drop him 30lbs and he's blown out both his knees and is nearing 30.

Then they're the same guy.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:42 PM
Someone seriously explain to me why we're drafting players to compliment our shit ass QB?

Because God forbid Pioli admit that Cassel is a ****ing abomination and he's a stupid **** for making that trade? So now we're stuck drafting guys like McCluster and Moeaki to save Pioli's ass because Cassel can't complete a pass over 5 yards, this is brilliance.

Given that when Weis was in New England, he featured a ton of 2-TE sets and heavily featured Kevin Faulk in the passing game, is this as much about accomodating Cassel? Or accomodating Weis?

Because shouldn't we be getting Weis guys that he wants? If the Chiefs end up getting Faulk-like production plus a greater open-field/slot capability, then Weis will be plenty happy with the pick.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:42 PM
Someone seriously explain to me why we're drafting players to compliment our shit ass QB?

Because God forbid Pioli admit that Cassel is a ****ing abomination and he's a stupid **** for making that trade? So now we're stuck drafting guys like McCluster and Moeaki to save Pioli's ass because Cassel can't complete a pass over 5 yards, this is brilliance.

Dude could you please tell me three reasons why you like the Chiefs?

doomy3
04-24-2010, 08:42 PM
Read Cosmicpal's post.

Yeah, I read it. I think it's quite a jump to take his post to meaning "Baltimore sucks at drafting."

milkman
04-24-2010, 08:42 PM
Yeah, I suppose that's why they've won a whopping ONE Super Bowl. :rolleyes:

The are a team that has competed and been in the playoffs consistently, and won a SB with never having found a franchise QB.

If Flacco finally fills that void, they are going to be a real contender, year in an year out.

Had they lucked into a Tom Brady along the way, they would have had a very good chance of taking New England's place as the decade dynasty, because they have done a better job of drafting, overall.

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 08:42 PM
:facepalm:

You don't think teams like Baltimore and Indy are the best drafting teams in the league? Because they don't win the bowl every year? really?

:doh!:

This isn't about Indy, it's about your blatant rehashing of how Baltimore consistently drafts so well that everyone should follow their examples, yet they've only won ONE Super Bowl.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:43 PM
Do you believe that a WR/RB hybrid should be more NFL ready than a d-lineman?

No. I think he's going to have to learn a lot more about the receiver position than the average RB. I don't think you know much about his potential until year 2 or 3. And maybe that ceiling is low. I don't know.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:43 PM
:doh!:

This isn't about Indy, it's about your blatant rehashing of how Baltimore consistently drafts so well that everyone should follow their examples, yet they've only won ONE Super Bowl.

Read milkmans post, I know it'll be hard to comprehend for you.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:44 PM
Dude could you please tell me three reasons why you like the Chiefs?

And here it is, because I don't like their personnel moves I'm obviously not a fan right?

I'm sorry I'm not one of the sheeple.

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 08:45 PM
The are a team that has competed and been in the playoffs consistently, and won a SB with never having found a franchise QB.



We had a team that consistently competed for over a decade!

Oh wait, I know...it's not who the Chiefs drafted well then because then it would be saying something nice about the team. :shake:

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:45 PM
No. I think he's going to have to learn a lot more about the receiver position than the average RB. I don't think you know much about his potential until year 2 or 3. And maybe that ceiling is low. I don't know.

We're going to have a fundamental disagreement, then.

When you overlook players that allow talent and need to intersect to select a "playmaker," that dude simply has to produce.

Harvin's rookie season is the level. You think MINN fans are going to expect his production levels to remain static?

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 08:46 PM
Read milkmans post, I know it'll be hard to comprehend for you.

I read it well, Professor Fuck Face.

doomy3
04-24-2010, 08:46 PM
That's not entirely accurate.

Most of those discussions presupposed that Clausen and Berry were already off the board.

And Spiller and McCluster don't belong in the same sentence, IMO. These two players are even farther apart than Berry and Thomas, to name another couple of players who have been oft lumped together.

Who cares if Clausen and Berry were off the board? Hell, in the scenario we have, we GOT Berry. But now, taking a homerun threat is a luxury we can't afford to have? In the other scenario, we were using a top 5 pick on a running back, and people around here were justifying it like crazy, and saying it would help the offense to have a versatile guy who could line up in the backfield, in the slot, and return kicks.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:47 PM
CJ Spiller and Dexter McCluster are not the same guy, they aren't even in the same universe.

chiefzilla1501
04-24-2010, 08:47 PM
We're going to have a fundamental disagreement, then.

When you overlook players that allow talent and need to intersect to select a "playmaker," that dude simply has to produce.

Harvin's rookie season is the level. You think MINN fans are going to expect his production levels to remain static?

Harvin is the exception, not the norm. While Reggie Bush I think has underachieved because he's too soft, he didn't come close to showing his potential until the 3rd season.

He needs to flash that he has NFL speed right away. But in terms of learning to play the slot and polish up as a receiver, I would give Golden Tate 2-3 years and I see no reason why wouldn't do the same for McCluster.

penchief
04-24-2010, 08:47 PM
If you are going to argue that Baltimore sucks at drafting there is no hope for you.

Baltimore is great a draftng but they can afford to take a risk with a high potential guy who clearly has problems. They don't need him to contribute right away and if turns out he is the lazy ass he appears to be they really haven't lost much. It's a boom or bust project for them. A risk our team can't afford to take, IMO.

milkman
04-24-2010, 08:48 PM
We had a team that consistently competed for over a decade!

Oh wait, I know...it's not who the Chiefs drafted well then because then it would be saying something nice about the team. :shake:

The Chiefs actually did a hell of a job drafting during the 80s, and those players formed the core of that 90s team.

The '97 team was better than that Donkey team they lost to in the playoffs.

Unfortunately, they had a QB, and we had GrBac, not to mention the great choker, the master of Martyocrity.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:48 PM
Who cares if Clausen and Berry were off the board? Hell, in the scenario we have, we GOT Berry. But now, taking a homerun threat is a luxury we can't afford to have? In the other scenario, we were using a top 5 pick on a running back, and people around here were justifying it like crazy, and saying it would help the offense to have a versatile guy who could line up in the backfield, in the slot, and return kicks.

Fine. Absolutely. I agree with all of this.

And that's why I'm saying that McCluster needs to have an immediate impact in year 1.

If we'd actually selected Spiller, you think people would be giving him an "evaluation" year? Fuck no. We'd have expectations on par with him being the n00b OROY.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:48 PM
And here it is, because I don't like their personnel moves I'm obviously not a fan right?

I'm sorry I'm not one of the sheeple.

im just saying, you seem to know everything but why you actually like this team.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:49 PM
If we drafted Spiller I'd expect him to win rookie of the year, Bills fans should have that expectation of him.

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 08:50 PM
The more I think about this draft, the angrier I get.

And Hamas, Mecca and Deez aren't helping. LMAO

We better have a top 15 offense this year or we blew it.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:51 PM
I'm more concerned about the 32nd run defense we're gonna sport.

penchief
04-24-2010, 08:51 PM
I watched Buffalo get a NT and a 5 tech without using a 1st round pick in 1 draft...the Chiefs used a top 3 pick and don't have a NT over 2 drafts...ponder that.

Maybe they didn't like the handful of nose tackles that were available. Troupe got drafted in the second round which was kind of high for him. If we had drafted him in the second round you'd be bitching because it was a major reach.

doomy3
04-24-2010, 08:51 PM
Fine. Absolutely. I agree with all of this.

And that's why I'm saying that McCluster needs to have an immediate impact in year 1.

If we'd actually selected Spiller, you think people would be giving him an "evaluation" year? **** no. We'd have expectations on par with him being the n00b OROY.

I'm not arguing with this. I expect McCluster to have an immediate impact.

However, I do think that you're being a bit unfair by pretending not to know that the WR position is one of the main positions that usually take the longest to adjust to in the NFL. Now, there have been exceptions in recent years, but until recently, WRs typically had very little impact their first years in the league.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:52 PM
The more I think about this draft, the angrier I get.

And Hamas, Mecca and Deez aren't helping. LMAO

We better have a top 15 offense this year or we blew it.

exactly, could someone help me out with that block feature please, so i can continue to enjoy this site, thanks :thumb:

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 08:52 PM
why are people comparing spiller and mccluster?

they aren't remotely the same player.

Was spiller drafted to be a slot receiver?

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:53 PM
We better have a top 15 offense this year or we blew it.

On paper, the McCluster pick has the potential to be a great one.

Pioli has to be right and the dude has to perform. All I'm trying to do is circumvent any apologist bullshit that will inevitably try to follow us throughout the course of the 2010 season.

Chiefs fans need to demand results from the 4-time Executive of the Year, fresh off an evaluation year.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 08:53 PM
exactly, could someone help me out with that block feature please, so i can continue to enjoy this site, thanks :thumb:

if a poster is making you cry because they have opinions, click on their name and choose the ignore function

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 08:54 PM
I'm more concerned about the 32nd run defense we're gonna sport.

Apparently the Boston Buttheads decided to endure another year of shit-ass defense to completely make over the offense.

I can ALMOST justify it...ALMOST...if the Chiefs are top 15 in yardage, scoring and third-down conversion rate.

Top 10 would be nice, but I realize that's a huge jump to make and we're dealing with a less than perfect quarterback.

Top 15. No excuses. If we're in the 20s, as Deez says, GTFO.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 08:54 PM
On paper, the McCluster pick has the potential to be a great one.

Pioli has to be right and the dude has to perform. All I'm trying to do is circumvent any apologist bullshit that will inevitably try to follow us throughout the course of the 2010 season.

Chiefs fans need to demand results from the 4-time Executive of the Year, fresh off an evaluation year.

This won't work man, I remember laying out a no excuses for Cassel he's not a rookie QB thing which was agreed upon.

Then the excuses flowed.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 08:54 PM
On paper, the McCluster pick has the potential to be a great one.
.


i don't even agree with that

doomy3
04-24-2010, 08:54 PM
why are people comparing spiller and mccluster?

they aren't remotely the same player.

Was spiller drafted to be a slot receiver?

This was the biggest selling point people on this very board were making for Spiller at the beginning of this offseason. They were saying that you could put him and Charles on the field in the same backfield, or line Spiller up in the slot and create mismatches. I would say you can do the same thing with McCluster. I said several months ago that I look at McCluster like a poor man's Spiller.

milkman
04-24-2010, 08:54 PM
exactly, could someone help me out with that block feature please, so i can continue to enjoy this site, thanks :thumb:

I've never understood pussies who use the ignore feature.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:55 PM
I'm not arguing with this. I expect McCluster to have an immediate impact.

However, I do think that you're being a bit unfair by pretending not to know that the WR position is one of the main positions that usually take the longest to adjust to in the NFL. Now, there have been exceptions in recent years, but until recently, WRs typically had very little impact their first years in the league.

You're right, again, and on the surface this seems like a legit concern. But I think we both know that he's not going to be running the same kind of routes as a "White," etc.

Our fucking QB can't throw beyond 10 yards, so a lot of McCluster's production is going to be the result of his natural gifts, rather than his learned precision.

doomy3
04-24-2010, 08:56 PM
This won't work man, I remember laying out a no excuses for Cassel he's not a rookie QB thing which was agreed upon.

Then the excuses flowed.

ROFL

Was this something that people signed?

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:56 PM
ive neeever used it before, and usually could care less, but these negative motherfucker's flood this site with bullshit that gets old after, oh i dont know the 100th time i hear it

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:57 PM
i don't even agree with that

Really? If he's "Welker"? Or the "poor man's Spiller"? Or "Harvin"?

doomy3
04-24-2010, 08:57 PM
You're right, again, and on the surface this seems like a legit concern. But I think we both know that he's not going to be running the same kind of routes as a "White," etc.

Our ****ing QB can't throw beyond 10 yards, so a lot of McCluster's production is going to be the result of his natural gifts, rather than his learned precision.

Well, he obviously is going to have to learn to run routes and dodge LBs on crossing routes, and work out the timing, but like I said, I expect him to have an immediate impact. Of course, I would have expected the same out of Tate, Benn, etc.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 08:58 PM
This was the biggest selling point people on this very board were making for Spiller at the beginning of this offseason. They were saying that you could put him and Charles on the field in the same backfield, or line Spiller up in the slot and create mismatches. I would say you can do the same thing with McCluster. I said several months ago that I look at McCluster like a poor man's Spiller.

oh, i don't share that opinion...

and using spiller out of the backfield is entirely different than drafting mccluster to be a slot wr.......

spiller is a rb in the nfl, imo

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 08:58 PM
ive neeever used it before, and usually could care less, but these negative mother****er's flood this site with bullshit that gets old after, oh i dont know the 100th time i hear it

It's ok, Mr. 157349201.

Mecca has almost hit his daily limit. The Laz-E-Boy will soon eject his ass.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 08:59 PM
if a poster is making you cry because they have opinions, click on their name and choose the ignore function

thanks

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 09:00 PM
On paper, the McCluster pick has the potential to be a great one.

Pioli has to be right and the dude has to perform. All I'm trying to do is circumvent any apologist bullshit that will inevitably try to follow us throughout the course of the 2010 season.

Chiefs fans need to demand results from the 4-time Executive of the Year, fresh off an evaluation year.

Deez, I share the same sentiment. I am too surprised, or maybe a little stunned by some of the picks they made. I don't agree with a few of them, but I'm willing to give them a chance because this new, superior coaching staff and scouting department I've been hearing about should have plucked some absolute needs off the board when they were available.

But they had their guys in mind and when it came their time to draft, they took who they wanted. I may not agree with it, but I'm willing to give these new guys a chance to prove me and everyone else wrong.

I just don't need to hear from these so-called resident experts chiming on and on about how the organization is a complete fuck up.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 09:00 PM
It's ok, Mr. 157349201.

Mecca has almost hit his daily limit. The Laz-E-Boy will soon eject his ass.

It's going to send me right to Cali, so I'm trying to get to that limit quickly.

tk13
04-24-2010, 09:01 PM
I'm going to put every single person here on ignore.

Actually, that would be cool. We need a universal ignore feature, get to work DaFace.

milkman
04-24-2010, 09:01 PM
ive neeever used it before, and usually could care less, but these negative mother****er's flood this site with bullshit that gets old after, oh i dont know the 100th time i hear it

The questin is, why aren't you negative?

What does anyone have to be positive about?

Did you just become a fan in the last couple of weeks.

I've watched this organization fail to make the moves and take advantage of opportunities for 40 fucking years.

I'm sick of it.

I want a fucking SB winner, and the moves this regime is making leads me to fear that the only SB win I see in my lifetime was in 1970.

19fucking70.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 09:01 PM
Really? If he's "Welker"? Or the "poor man's Spiller"? Or "Harvin"?


oh, hypothetically

i thought you were stating your opinion, sorry....i personally find the assumptions behind these comparisons faulty...and the assumption behind him just becoming a wr without a hitch questionable too


but hey, i'll be there rooting on sundays like everyone else

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 09:02 PM
Deez, I share the same sentiment. I am too surprised, or maybe a little stunned by some of the picks they made. I don't agree with a few of them, but I'm willing to give them a chance because this new, superior coaching staff and scouting department I've been hearing about should have plucked some absolute needs off the board when they were available.

But they had their guys in mind and when it came their time to draft, they took who they wanted. I may not agree with it, but I'm willing to give these new guys a chance to prove me and everyone else wrong.

I just don't need to hear from these so-called resident experts chiming on and on about how the organization is a complete **** up.

Ok. I hear you. And I'm largely in the same position.

From my perspective, for example, round 2 looks disastrous. But I'm just a douche on the intraweb, so it should be easy for me to be wrong and Pioli to be correct.

These players deserve the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not skeptically optimistic. Pioli's performance in KC, thus far, leaves me only skeptical.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 09:03 PM
oh, hypothetically

i thought you were stating your opinion, sorry....i personally find the assumptions behind these comparisons faulty...and the assumption behind him just becoming a wr without a hitch questionable too


but hey, i'll be there rooting on sundays like everyone else

All too understandable, unfortunately.

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 09:06 PM
Ok. I hear you. And I'm largely in the same position.

From my perspective, for example, round 2 looks disastrous. But I'm just a douche on the intraweb, so it should be easy for me to be wrong and Pioli to be correct.

These players deserve the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not skeptically optimistic. Pioli's performance in KC, thus far, leaves me only skeptical.

You're not a douche in my book, you're all right with me.

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 09:06 PM
At the end of this draft, I'm going to bed much, much more excited to see how these pieces fit over last year's.

Maybe I was just heading into this draft thinking about Berry and if we got him it's all gravy, but I'm pretty excited right now.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 09:08 PM
The questin is, why aren't you negative?

What does anyone have to be positive about?

Did you just become a fan in the last couple of weeks.

I've watched this organization fail to make the moves and take advantage of opportunities for 40 ****ing years.

I'm sick of it.

I want a ****ing SB winner, and the moves this regime is making leads me to fear that the only SB win I see in my lifetime was in 1970.

19****ing70.

im not jumping up and down shouting how great our draft was either, but there comes a point when you have to worry about the guys that we drafted not the guys we missed and hope that they can succeed in this league. bitching and moaning solves nothing, at least thats how i was raised.

and right now our coaching staff has more SB rings and appearances than ever before, you have to hope that can translate to the field somehow. that is all

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 09:10 PM
At the end of this draft, I'm going to bed much, much more excited to see how these pieces fit over last year's.

Maybe I was just heading into this draft thinking about Berry and if we got him it's all gravy, but I'm pretty excited right now.

i think people are underestimating how talented our DB's are going to be as a whole this year. we may not have a great run defense, which isnt set in stone. but im convinced that our secondary is going to be pretty damn solid

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 09:11 PM
The questin is, why aren't you negative?

What does anyone have to be positive about?

Did you just become a fan in the last couple of weeks.

I've watched this organization fail to make the moves and take advantage of opportunities for 40 ****ing years.

I'm sick of it.

I want a ****ing SB winner, and the moves this regime is making leads me to fear that the only SB win I see in my lifetime was in 1970.

19****ing70.

Milk...I respect you and your absolute devotion to this team. I too have been a fan since the early 70's having sat through many a miserable games at the flashing new Arrowhead with my father and his friends. I've loved this team through thick and thin. Call me naive or whatever, but I do like the direction this team is heading with the head coach, the coaching staff, and some of the younger players. I choose to think the future is bright. That future might have to wait another year, but I still believe.

I'm sick of it too, but I still choose to be positive. Say what you want about that, but I still choose to be positive and forgiving for the team I've always loved even through the worst of times.

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 09:11 PM
and right now our coaching staff has more SB rings and appearances than ever before, you have to hope that can translate to the field somehow. that is all

It's too bad this n00b has everyone on ignore, or he'd see that I completely agree with this point.

The catch, of course, is that we should expect results. No more free passes.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 09:11 PM
im not jumping up and down shouting how great our draft was either, but there comes a point when you have to worry about the guys that we drafted not the guys we missed and hope that they can succeed in this league. bitching and moaning solves nothing, at least thats how i was raised.

and right now our coaching staff has more SB rings and appearances than ever before, you have to hope that can translate to the field somehow. that is all

the drafts been over for just a few hours....is it ok if we discuss it till tomorrow before we have to fall in line and say everything is awesome?

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 09:12 PM
the drafts been over for just a few hours....is it ok if we discuss it till tomorrow before we have to fall in line say everything is awesome?

Are you a GM?

The Bad Guy
04-24-2010, 09:14 PM
i think people are underestimating how talented our DB's are going to be as a whole this year. we may not have a great run defense, which isnt set in stone. but im convinced that our secondary is going to be pretty damn solid

I want to see how Romeo and Pleasant coach DL's. Regardless of who we got Krumrie, his units could never ever stop the run.

I think we have pieces in place to do it.

I bet Shaun Rodgers pops up in trade talks to be honest. I'm no fan of him.

milkman
04-24-2010, 09:14 PM
Milk...I respect you and your absolute devotion to this team. I too have been a fan since the early 70's having sat through many a miserable games at the flashing new Arrowhead with my father and his friends. I've loved this team through thick and thin. Call me naive or whatever, but I do like the direction this team is heading with the head coach, the coaching staff, and some of the younger players. I choose to think the future is bright. That future might have to wait another year, but I still believe.

I'm sick of it too, but I still choose to be positive. Say what you want about that, but I still choose to be positive and forgiving for the team I've always loved even through the worst of times.

Well there's my problem I guess.

Without getting into my personal life too much, I really wasn't raised.

Latching onto the Chiefs as a little biy when my father died was my way of coping, and that is why, in large part, I have such devotion.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 09:14 PM
Are you a GM?

i'm not.


i apologize to Zach

DeezNutz
04-24-2010, 09:15 PM
i'm not.


i apologize to Zach

LMAO.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 09:15 PM
It's too bad this n00b has everyone on ignore, or he'd see that I completely agree with this point.

The catch, of course, is that we should expect results. No more free passes.

i have still never used that feature, but im glad i know how to use it. and we should expect our team to give the fans some results and this will be the year for that, if they dont that clock starts ticking (if it hasnt already)

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 09:17 PM
the drafts been over for just a few hours....is it ok if we discuss it till tomorrow before we have to fall in line and say everything is awesome?

im not saying that everything is awesome, but milkman did ask what there was to be positive about, so i tried my hardest to provide him with that something

CosmicPal
04-24-2010, 09:18 PM
Latching onto the Chiefs as a little biy when my father died was my way of coping, and that is why, in large part, I have such devotion.

I'm sorry to hear about that. If it's any consolation, my father, a life-long and passionate season ticket holder passed away last summer. This past season was the first that I didn't have the opportunity to call him up on Mondays and rant about our beloved team. I miss having that release between us.

BossChief
04-24-2010, 09:18 PM
Someone seriously explain to me why we're drafting players to compliment our shit ass QB?

Because God forbid Pioli admit that Cassel is a fucking abomination and he's a stupid fuck for making that trade? So now we're stuck drafting guys like McCluster and Moeaki to save Pioli's ass because Cassel can't complete a pass over 5 yards, this is brilliance.real question:

how would you perceive these moves if we had drafted Sanchez last year?

real talk

What should he do? Go full defense and let his investment burn with record breaking dropped passes and glaringly obviously lacking speed?

think about that

Because Mecca and others would have been happy drafting CJ Spiller at #5 overall?...and what was the magic word last year and this year?

PLAYMAKERS

Very, very few people would have been happy with that. Spiller was a justifiable pick at #5, I felt, but he was far, far from the best pick. (He's justifiable there because he does everything that McCluster does, only better. AND he's a legit RB at the NFL level, too).
He was also a top 9 draft pick and DMC was a second rounder.

HUGE difference.

For us, is Spiller a better pick at 5 than DMC was at 36? I have to say no to that.
exactly, could someone help me out with that block feature please, so i can continue to enjoy this site, thanks :thumb:

why bother then, just go to the ChiefsCoalition if you want nothing but the positive side of a conversation.

real talk

You wont get verbally abused for being an idiot and you wont have to deal with all these meaneys.

BUT

you will miss some of the REAL conversations that make this place unique.

Why not just listen and learn for awhile and add to conversations when you have something to add instead.

pussy

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 09:21 PM
im not saying that everything is awesome, but milkman did ask what there was to be positive about, so i tried my hardest to provide him with that something

but understand the people here have long memories and are judging the franchise for a pattern of moves over a long time...most all of which have been atrocious...right up to last years draft and acquisition of Cassel...

Gary
04-24-2010, 09:21 PM
This is what I've come to realize, teams that draft well are usually the teams that take who they are suppose to take. Baltimore consistently makes obvious picks, stunningly they are good picks.

There's something to be said for being smart enough to just take who the **** you're suppose to take instead of reaching for bumble**** mcdipshit from slapdick U to prove how much smarter you are than everyone else.

:clap::clap::clap:

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 09:21 PM
I want to see how Romeo and Pleasant coach DL's. Regardless of who we got Krumrie, his units could never ever stop the run.

I think we have pieces in place to do it.

I bet Shaun Rodgers pops up in trade talks to be honest. I'm no fan of him.

i would also not be surprised if we made a trade for a DL, but not rogers, he just recently got busted with a loaded gun at an airport, if that isnt the right 53 then i wouldnt know what is. i would on the other hand suggest "big jon" henderson who is the same age as rogers and also been said to be "on the block".

Fat Elvis
04-24-2010, 09:24 PM
Well there's my problem I guess.

Without getting into my personal life too much, I really wasn't raised.

Latching onto the Chiefs as a little biy when my father died was my way of coping, and that is why, in large part, I have such devotion.

The Chiefs were one of the things were my dad and I could kind of see eye to eye. He passed away the night of the Monday Night Meltdown. We were watching the Chiefs together on his deathbed, and they pulled that shit.....

teedubya
04-24-2010, 09:25 PM
How about having this press conference tomorrow? And making some calls and getting some talent on this team devoid of talent except in like 4 positions.

Fat Elvis
04-24-2010, 09:26 PM
I want to see how Romeo and Pleasant coach DL's. Regardless of who we got Krumrie, his units could never ever stop the run.

I think we have pieces in place to do it.

I bet Shaun Rodgers pops up in trade talks to be honest. I'm no fan of him.

Romeo loves him some Big Baby....

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 09:28 PM
real question:

why bother then, just go to the ChiefsCoalition if you want nothing but the positive side of a conversation.

real talk

You wont get verbally abused for being an idiot and you wont have to deal with all these meaneys.

BUT

you will miss some of the REAL conversations that make this place unique.

Why not just listen and learn for awhile and add to conversations when you have something to add instead.

pussy

why dont you just ignore me then? so you dont have to spend your precious time telling me how it is? REAL Talk

and last time i checked you do not have the authority to tell anyone that they cant post whatever is on their mind. REAL Talk

milkman
04-24-2010, 09:35 PM
I'm sorry to hear about that. If it's any consolation, my father, a life-long and passionate season ticket holder passed away last summer. This past season was the first that I didn't have the opportunity to call him up on Mondays and rant about our beloved team. I miss having that release between us.

Eh...it's been 47 years, so I've adapted.

Sorry to hear about your loss.

BossChief
04-24-2010, 09:39 PM
why dont you just ignore me then? so you dont have to spend your precious time telling me how it is? REAL Talk

and last time i checked you do not have the authority to tell anyone that they cant post whatever is on their mind. REAL Talk

:facepalm:

Im not TELLING anyone anything. I am no authority here, to be sure.

I made a suggestion. I have posted there for years, as have many other of the guys here. It is a different atmosphere, name calling and personal attacks are strictly against the rules and people get banned for doing so multiple times.

I am just saying you seem to get butthurt by certain posters here and that type of place might suit you better.

I wasnt even slamming you by making the suggestion TBH. There are things I still prefer there over the Planet (but not a whole lot)

I was slamming you for being so thin skinned that you would use a feature to block what are some of the better posters on here.

Some of us may be assholes, but that is because "those that don't know history, are doomed to repeat it" and some of us hate seeing the same movie over and over and are expected to think it ends differently...not me for one.

milkman
04-24-2010, 09:43 PM
...and what was the magic word last year and this year?

PLAYMAKERS

And we still want playmakers, but i guess we should have more specific.

Full time playmakers.

And no, I won't wait till the season to call McCluster a part time player.

I'll believe he's full time when I see him get 40 to 50 snaps a game.

Not until then.

KC is in Missouri.

Show me.

The_Doctor10
04-24-2010, 09:45 PM
Crennel sure specialized in Cleveland trading first day picks for Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams who were both major disappointments.

Shaun Rogers made the Pro Bowl his first year in Cleveland; he was by far the best player on that defense. The issue was having nobody else around him.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 09:48 PM
:facepalm:

Im not TELLING anyone anything. I am no authority here, to be sure.

I made a suggestion. I have posted there for years, as have many other of the guys here. It is a different atmosphere, name calling and personal attacks are strictly against the rules and people get banned for doing so multiple times.

I am just saying you seem to get butthurt by certain posters here and that type of place might suit you better.

I wasnt even slamming you by making the suggestion TBH. There are things I still prefer there over the Planet (but not a whole lot)

I was slamming you for being so thin skinned that you would use a feature to block what are some of the better posters on here.

Some of us may be assholes, but that is because "those that don't know history, are doomed to repeat it" and some of us hate seeing the same movie over and over and are expected to think it ends differently...not me for one.

i never used that feature, i simply asked where it was since ive heard people reference it before, and i totally understand that the reason that people get so upset it for the fact that they are chiefs fans and they truely do want the best for this team. BUT i have to hope that we got some playmakers in this draft, which is what a lot of people were asking for. and i will be sure to check out that site since i really dont think i have heard of it until now.

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 09:51 PM
Shaun Rogers made the Pro Bowl his first year in Cleveland; he was by far the best player on that defense. The issue was having nobody else around him.

and we also have to remember that he has to be better than what we have now, i wouldnt mind seeing a trade for a NT but that guy was recently busted for carrying a loaded gun into an airport, and i would have a hard time seeing pioli making a move for him

BossChief
04-24-2010, 09:59 PM
I am not a fan of drafting a guy because "he is better than that pile of shit we have right now"

Id rather wait till the right guy is there...its a shame Troup was overdrafted, I'm fairly certain he would have been our pick at 2b. Romeo fell in love with him at the shrine practices/game