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Sam Hall
04-24-2010, 09:47 PM
I was pondering that question because I, like a lot of people, thought the Chiefs would take Cam Thomas in the second or third round. The guy kept falling and the Chiefs still didn't take him.

Most nose tackles seem at least a little fat and lazy. It's in their nature. With that said, Pioli and Haley obviously aren't looking for fat or lazy players. I'd like to know what they look for in a nose tackle. I think we're at a point in the NFL where character could be more important than talent.

Bane
04-24-2010, 09:51 PM
:thumb:

Mecca
04-24-2010, 09:52 PM
We can't properly play 3-4 because Todd Haley hates fat people.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 09:55 PM
I think we're at a point in the NFL where character could be more important than talent.

this will never be true in any professional sport

Count Alex's Wins
04-24-2010, 09:55 PM
Character.

the Talking Can
04-24-2010, 09:57 PM
Character.

Tiger Woods

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 10:00 PM
this will never be true in any professional sport

i think that is the way roger goodell is trying to make the NFL these days

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 10:02 PM
i would like to think they have something lined up as far as a trade for a NT, but i doubt it will happen

Sam Hall
04-24-2010, 10:03 PM
this will never be true in any professional sport

I think the Big Ben suspension and a couple things in this draft showed how important character is becoming. Tebow went higher than expected, Dez Bryant slipped and Jimmy Clausen slipped a lot further than expected.

Baconeater
04-24-2010, 10:04 PM
I sure am glad we made the switch, it was totally worth it.

johnny961
04-24-2010, 10:05 PM
Good question. This is one area that I thought the Chiefs would address early on in the draft and it got no attention at all.

teedubya
04-24-2010, 10:06 PM
If they get a fat, lazy person... they will just make them lose weight, thus losing talent.

Weight is part of a NT's talent package. IMO

milkman
04-24-2010, 10:07 PM
It's Todd Haley.

I'd guess he's looking for the annorexic NT.

BossChief
04-24-2010, 10:12 PM
Wilfork is what they are gonna look for.

Goddell is doing the right thing with the league. If he doesn't want the problems baseball and basketball have, he needs to preemptively strike the problem.

If the image of the league is good, the questions dont get raised that took basketball and baseball down.

jmo

KCrockaholic
04-24-2010, 10:23 PM
They would look for Glenn Dorsey to be their Nose Tackle. Good character. A little lazy.

Mecca
04-24-2010, 10:30 PM
I think the Big Ben suspension and a couple things in this draft showed how important character is becoming. Tebow went higher than expected, Dez Bryant slipped and Jimmy Clausen slipped a lot further than expected.

Yet Baltimore wanted Bryant, honestly if Baltimore wants a player that's all I need to know about his talent.

CrazyPhuD
04-24-2010, 10:30 PM
5'9" 179 that's our nose tackle of the future

johnny961
04-24-2010, 10:32 PM
They would look for Glenn Dorsey to be their Nose Tackle. Good character. A little lazy.

I've heard this may be their plan. But isn't Dorsey a little on the small side for a 3-4 NT?

Mecca
04-24-2010, 10:35 PM
Not according to our coach Todd "richard simmons" Haley!

Gary
04-24-2010, 10:41 PM
1. Does he fit into the "right 53" and into the "process"?

2. Can he double as a return specialist?

KCDC
04-24-2010, 10:51 PM
Ron Edwards 6-3 315

Lokey, Derek 6-1 300

Shaun Smith 6-2 325

Messier
04-24-2010, 10:53 PM
Not according to our coach Todd "richard simmons" Haley!

Good one.

L.A. Chieffan
04-24-2010, 10:54 PM
you dont really need one with our special 3-4

LaChapelle
04-24-2010, 10:55 PM
They saved all the fat they lost last summer
the proper vessel hasn't been selected

johnny961
04-24-2010, 10:59 PM
Not according to our coach Todd "richard simmons" Haley!

ROFL

Messier
04-24-2010, 11:10 PM
Seriously, I can't root for a team with lame management like the Chiefs. This last draft is just the runny, ant covered, icing on the week old, dry, hard, cake that is the Pioli regime.

BIG K
04-24-2010, 11:11 PM
They would look for Glenn Dorsey to be their Nose Tackle. Good character. A little lazy.

I have mentioned this before. I do not have inside sources, nor do I really know shit about anything but, I think with the fact that they passed entirely on NT in the draft and free agency for the most part, they intend to plug Dorsey in at NT. Is he short, yes. Can he bulk up to anchor, I think he has proved that without question.:)

I could very well see Dorsey at NT, Maghee and Jackson at ends to start the season if coached up by our new coordinators and assistants.

Do I base this on inside knowledge, no. Do I base it on anything other than a gut feeling, no. That's what's bitchen about this site, bunch of people just laying out their opinion. This ones mine, flame away fuckers!:D

mcaj22
04-24-2010, 11:35 PM
I can't think of a 3-4 NFL defense with a worse NT than us. Every other team that runs a 3-4 has a pro bowl talent like NT that makes the linebackers and ends around him look like stars.

bevischief
04-24-2010, 11:37 PM
Team leader.

Chiefshrink
04-24-2010, 11:56 PM
Any NT that has not achieved Eagle Scout status is pulled off the board. Apparently all the NTs this year never made it past Cub Scouts in Pioli's eyes.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-25-2010, 01:01 AM
Seriously, I can't root for a team with lame management like the Chiefs. This last draft is just the runny, ant covered, icing on the week old, dry, hard, cake that is the Pioli regime.

Well, bye.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-25-2010, 01:10 AM
To answer the question of the OP, we don't.

Although, hopefully Kade Weston doesn't survive cuts in NE, because then maybe we'll be allowed to bring him in.

xbarretx
04-25-2010, 01:14 AM
I have mentioned this before. I do not have inside sources, nor do I really know shit about anything but, I think with the fact that they passed entirely on NT in the draft and free agency for the most part, they intend to plug Dorsey in at NT. Is he short, yes. Can he bulk up to anchor, I think he has proved that without question.:)

I could very well see Dorsey at NT, Maghee and Jackson at ends to start the season if coached up by our new coordinators and assistants.

Do I base this on inside knowledge, no. Do I base it on anything other than a gut feeling, no. That's what's bitchen about this site, bunch of people just laying out their opinion. This ones mine, flame away ****ers!:D

no flaming from my side of town. i like that idea and think it could and would work out favorably. He drew double coverage lots of times last year, just think what a Jackson, Dorsey, and Magee front 3 could do with tamba and our upg's in the backfield. all the Dorsey haters continue to call him a bust as long as they save some room for crow flavored Jell-o

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-25-2010, 01:25 AM
Glenn Dorsey is not a 3-4 nose tackle. He's not big enough (or strong enough) to anchor against the strongest guys on the line--the interior linemen.

If we were playing a one gap system, it makes some sort of sense. But we aren't.

xbarretx
04-25-2010, 01:35 AM
Glenn Dorsey is not a 3-4 nose tackle. He's not big enough (or strong enough) to anchor against the strongest guys on the line--the interior linemen.

If we were playing a one gap system, it makes some sort of sense. But we aren't.

i hear ya Hamas, but which would you rather have at NT. Edwards only or Dorsey / Edwards? Get him in there and see if it works or not. he didnt have issues drawing double teams last year, so toss him in and see if anyone can use that opportunity to pressure the QB. :shrug: im not saying Glenn is the franchise NT for the next decade, but if they dont get anyone else to shuffle in there with Edwards (which i wish they would and hoped they would have), then im more then willing to roll the dice w/ a Dorsey NT.

Von Dumbass
04-25-2010, 01:38 AM
I think the Big Ben suspension and a couple things in this draft showed how important character is becoming. Tebow went higher than expected, Dez Bryant slipped and Jimmy Clausen slipped a lot further than expected.

Perish Cox slipped all the way to the 5th round because of character. That guy has first round talent.

tk13
04-25-2010, 01:45 AM
I think Goodell probably is most responsible. The league is now in a place where a guy who acts up off the field risks getting beat down pretty hard by the commissioner. We just had a guy who didn't actually get charged for anything get suspended for almost half a season. It keeps up and the penalties keep getting harsher then being an idiot is going to be about the same as injury prone... if you aren't gonna be on the field why bother.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-25-2010, 03:18 AM
If you move Dorsey to NT, then you move our only good DL to an area where he is now severely undersized. On top of that, you put in either Gilberry or Magee in his position, the same guys who manned the position during Jerome Harrison's 285 yard ass raping last year.

Warrior5
04-25-2010, 07:37 AM
i would like to think they have something lined up as far as a trade for a NT...

This what I keep telling myself. They committed to the 3-4 last year, yet fail to address a key component of it during the draft?

Unless they believe Shaun Smith completely answered the mail, I have to believe Pioli is working some kind of trade. Otherwise, that incredibly talented secondary we now have is going to be wasted...

Messier
04-25-2010, 08:04 AM
If you move Dorsey to NT, then you move our only good DL to an area where he is now severely undersized. On top of that, you put in either Gilberry or Magee in his position, the same guys who manned the position during Jerome Harrison's 285 yard ass raping last year.

I'll bet they move Gilberry to LB, and he'll be good there.

Crush
04-25-2010, 08:09 AM
Matt Cassel is also going to play NT. Pioli loves him some Cassel.

boogblaster
04-25-2010, 08:11 AM
He has to have a nose and be able to tackle ....

milkman
04-25-2010, 08:21 AM
i hear ya Hamas, but which would you rather have at NT. Edwards only or Dorsey / Edwards? Get him in there and see if it works or not. he didnt have issues drawing double teams last year, so toss him in and see if anyone can use that opportunity to pressure the QB. :shrug: im not saying Glenn is the franchise NT for the next decade, but if they dont get anyone else to shuffle in there with Edwards (which i wish they would and hoped they would have), then im more then willing to roll the dice w/ a Dorsey NT.

I'd rather have Dorsey stay right where he is.

He was far and away our best D-Lineman last year, and should take another step up this year.

He will never achieve the potential he had coming into the league in this scheme, but he, in no way, has the physical tools to play NT in this scheme, unless we transition to a 1gap, as Hamas has already pointed out.

And Crennel is not a 1 gap DC.

We are stuck with Edwards/Smith.

xbarretx
04-25-2010, 11:54 AM
I'd rather have Dorsey stay right where he is.

He was far and away our best D-Lineman last year, and should take another step up this year.

He will never achieve the potential he had coming into the league in this scheme, but he, in no way, has the physical tools to play NT in this scheme, unless we transition to a 1gap, as Hamas has already pointed out.

And Crennel is not a 1 gap DC.

We are stuck with Edwards/Smith.

then they are going to try and snag a diamond via RC FA, obtain someone via FA, or "play it where it lies"

i agree with you on Dorsey improving, i just think the NT needs to be solid for "our" 3-4 to work. Regardless, cant wait for the season to begin now that the drafts over :clap:

RedThat
04-25-2010, 12:00 PM
Wilfork is what they are gonna look for.

Goddell is doing the right thing with the league. If he doesn't want the problems baseball and basketball have, he needs to preemptively strike the problem.

If the image of the league is good, the questions dont get raised that took basketball and baseball down.

jmo

Yup. Just want to elaborate on Wilfork, I recall Pioli specifically mentioning one of the most important attributes he values in a NT is lateral mobility. Thats one of Vince Wilfork's strongest suits.