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Tribal Warfare
04-24-2010, 11:41 PM
Chiefs say draft mission accomplished as team gains playmakers (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/24/1900399/chiefs-say-draft-mission-accomplished.html)
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The draft hadn’t even concluded but Todd Haley and some of his offensive coaches were already tinkering with ways to use the Chiefs’ new offensive pieces. Some of the things they were drawing up included Jamaal Charles, Thomas Jones and Dexter McCluster all on the field at once.

That’s already a change from last year, when the Chiefs most times were struggling to find enough playmakers to line up and play at one time.

The Chiefs made finding playmakers, whether they’re on offense, defense or special teams, an emphasis in the draft. They cast the net wide and emerged with safety Eric Berry of Tennessee in the first round and running back/wide receiver McCluster of Mississippi and kick returner/nickel back Javier Arenas of Alabama in the second.

The Chiefs finished their draft Saturday by using their last two picks, both in the fifth round, on developmental players — safety Kendrick Lewis of Mississippi and outside linebacker Cameron Sheffield of Troy.

The emphasis on playmakers came at a cost. The Chiefs failed to add an offensive tackle, meaning Branden Albert and Ryan O’Callaghan will start again next season.

Their only major offseason player additions on defense were Berry and Arenas. They appeared content with that.

“We accomplished as much as we could this year,” general manager Scott Pioli said. “We made significant progress this offseason, this draft.”

The Chiefs already faced the prospect of a crowded backfield with Charles, who ran for more than 900 yards over the final eight games last year, and Jones, who rushed for more than 1,400 yards for the New York Jets in 2009.

To this, they added McCluster, who between rushing and receiving accumulated 1,700 yards and 11 touchdowns last year at Ole Miss. The Chiefs plan to use him in a variety of ways: as a wide receiver, slot receiver, traditional running back and perhaps even as a quarterback in the Wildcat formation.

McCluster is only 5 feet 8 and 165 pounds, so he’s hard for defenders to find and because of his quickness, he can be difficult for them to handle once they do. Then there’s Charles and his speed and the more conventional abilities of Jones.

“I think when you have unique ability guys that have some of those qualities, it’s an advantage to whoever has those players,” Haley said. “(McCluster) was one of the higher-rated running backs we’ve had on the board and he was one of the higher-rated receivers we had on the board. When you have a unique player like that, the number one thing you gain or you have a chance to utilize is matchups. He’s a player that you put at a number of different spots and pressure a defense in a sense.

“We have another guy in Jamaal Charles that proved last year he can do some things in addition to running the football. So I’m excited from an offensive standpoint to have a guy like that because our motto is the more you can do … he’s a great example of a player that can do a number of things.”

One of the Chiefs’ biggest offseason goals was to find a skilled kick return specialist. Their return game has been among the most lackluster in the league the last three seasons since the Chiefs traded Dante Hall.

“It was a must, in my opinion,” Haley said. “There are musts and then there are needs and that was a must.”

The Chiefs now potentially have two returners. Arenas scored seven touchdowns and averaged 14 yards per punt return over his four seasons in college. McCluster returned little at Ole Miss because his coaches wanted to preserve him for offense, but he has the ability.

“I know coach (Steve) Hoffman, our special teams coach, is as excited as I’ve seen him. I said, ‘We better not hear another word out of you.’ We got him two of the better returners in the league and now he’s got to put them to good use.

“Having a potential game-changer returner would be a nice addition to this team. In general, we just felt like we needed some difference-makers. At least on paper and how we came out of this weekend, I think we’re excited.”

As far as improvement on defense, the Chiefs will rely mainly on help from Berry, who will start at safety, and Arenas, who could be the nickel back.

The Chiefs are also counting on improvement from their younger defensive players, including ends Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson.

“Defense is a team game,” Haley said. “We’re developing the guys we have here that are already on campus. We’re all really excited about that process and where we are as we speak. Then adding the guys we have on defense to the mix, we expect them to have an impact on that.

“It’s important that some of these young guys take another step for us.”

HotRoute
04-24-2010, 11:56 PM
"There are musts and then there are needs and that was a must"

The FO obviously didnt think a NT or RT was a must they must really have faith in the new coordinators to coach em' up this year, and i think they will do that

BIG K
04-25-2010, 12:00 AM
"There are musts and then there are needs and that was a must"

The FO obviously didnt think a NT or RT was a must they must really have faith in the new coordinators to coach em' up this year, and i think they will do that

Yep.

Count Alex's Losses
04-25-2010, 12:16 AM
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BIG K
04-25-2010, 12:21 AM
[QUOTE=Tribal Warfare;6711864] Chiefs say draft mission accomplished as team gains playmakers (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/24/1900399/chiefs-say-draft-mission-accomplished.html)

The emphasis on playmakers came at a cost. The Chiefs failed to add an offensive tackle, meaning Branden Albert and Ryan O’Callaghan will start again next season.

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Jesus, another dumb motherfucker who does not know shit. Wow, cause they failed to draft an OT, which clearly was the biggest need, broke dicks Albert and O'Callaghan will start again. We are doomed.....

BigMeatballDave
04-25-2010, 12:23 AM
http://i43.tinypic.com/nyb41u.jpgLMAO When I saw 'mission accomplished', I KNEW someone was gonna make a parody like this...

milkman
04-25-2010, 07:38 AM
"There are musts and then there are needs and that was a must"

The FO obviously didnt think a NT or RT was a must they must really have faith in the new coordinators to coach em' up this year, and i think they will do that

Dorsey and Jackson will both take that next step, most likely, but the belief that they are going to be able to coach up career scrubs like Ron Edwards and Shaun Smith is hysterical.

You guys don't want coaches.

You want fucking miracle workers.

donkhater
04-25-2010, 08:44 AM
Well, I'll say this:

When you have Bobby Engram, who looked like his feet were welded to the football field, as your best returner, you have issues with team speed.

Outside of Charles and maybe Flowers, there was NO ONE with any sort of speed on this team that could change a game.

He said getting a returner was a must. I think more like getting players that can run (Berry, McCluster, Arenas) was a must.

Some more speed at LB and WR is still desperatly needed.

ILChief
04-25-2010, 09:57 AM
Dorsey and Jackson will both take that next step, most likely, but the belief that they are going to be able to coach up career scrubs like Ron Edwards and Shaun Smith is hysterical.

You guys don't want coaches.

You want fucking miracle workers.

Smith actually had a couple of decent years under Romeo in Cleveland. My hope is he can be adequate until next year's draft.

Deberg_1990
04-25-2010, 09:59 AM
Dorsey and Jackson will both take that next step, most likely, but the belief that they are going to be able to coach up career scrubs like Ron Edwards and Shaun Smith is hysterical.

You guys don't want coaches.

You want ****ing miracle workers.

If they would have drafted more linemen, alot of guys on here would be bitching "wheres the playmakers??"

Its impossible to fill every single hole. you know this. at least they went in with an agenda and stuck to it.

But yea, guys who are career backups are not suddenly going to be better no matter who the coach is. Thats why i laugh when people keep waiting for DJ to "bust out" ROFL

CosmicPal
04-25-2010, 10:04 AM
If they would have drafted more linemen, alot of guys on here would be bitching "wheres the playmakers??"



They upgraded the speed of their game with the picks too- something that they needed to do more than anything. They were one of the slowest teams in the NFL and drafting a couple of fat slobs to the defensive line certainly wasn't going to help that at all.

milkman
04-25-2010, 10:05 AM
If they would have drafted more linemen, alot of guys on here would be bitching "wheres the playmakers??"

Its impossible to fill every single hole. you know this. at least they went in with an agenda and stuck to it.

But yea, guys who are career backups are not suddenly going to be better no matter who the coach is. Thats why i laugh when people keep waiting for DJ to "bust out" ROFL

People wanted FULL TIME playmakers.

Reerun_KC
04-25-2010, 10:05 AM
Well I am looking forward to putting this team on the field and watching some football...

Reerun_KC
04-25-2010, 10:05 AM
People wanted FULL TIME playmakers.

Which left Cody from Alabama out....

No way he could play 3 straight downs at a time, all game...

Deberg_1990
04-25-2010, 10:08 AM
People wanted FULL TIME playmakers.

Full time safety
Full time slot reciever
full time kick returner


Hopefully........

chiefzilla1501
04-25-2010, 10:20 AM
People wanted FULL TIME playmakers.

That's fine, but there's also a lot of hypocrisy. When people rave about CJ Spiller (who would either be a part-time playmaker OR force a full-time playmaker like Charles to become a part-time playmaker) in the first, then call McCluster a part-time playmaker in the second? I realize Spiller is a hell of a lot better than McCluster, but that doesn't change the fact that Spiller's role in KC would have been similar to the role McCluster will play.

When fans rave about Golden Tate in the slot (a "part-time position"), and then throw a shit-fit when they draft McCluster to play in the slot?

And when you actually add up the mileage, how part-time is it? If you have a nickel corner who plays 40-50% of defensive snaps and returns punts, that's close to a full-time position. And when you have a RB/WR who'll probably be on the field 2 out of 3 downs, and might also return kicks, that's pretty full-time too. Not any less full-time than, say, a Terrence Cody, who'll probably be a pure 2-down player.

Gonzo
04-25-2010, 10:33 AM
I like the Arenas pick. But like everyone else, the McClusterfuck pick still baffles me.

Meh, maybe he'll be awesomness. Time will tell.
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milkman
04-25-2010, 10:37 AM
Full time safety
Full time slot reciever
full time kick returner


Hopefully........

No one is questioning the Eric Berry pick.

But I'm betting that Arenas sees the field more as the nickel than McCluster does on offense, and Arenas was drafted more for his return ability than his coverage abiility.

notorious
04-25-2010, 10:54 AM
Which left Cody from Alabama out....

No way he could play 3 straight downs at a time, all game...

And he will eat himself out of the league in 2 years.

Mosbonian
04-25-2010, 10:57 AM
No one is questioning the Eric Berry pick.

But I'm betting that Arenas sees the field more as the nickel than McCluster does on offense, and Arenas was drafted more for his return ability than his coverage abiility.

So....we filled a need with Eric Berry.

Arenas and McCluster filled a need also...we completely stunk at the return game to the point I almost wanted to see Dante Hall return because we at least had 3 chances in 10 that we might see a TD run.

The Guard from Illinois is a steal according to everyone who looks at the draft.

Did we fill all our needs? No....but everyone here seems to be down on the fact that we didn't pick Kindle or Cody when each has an acknowledged weakness or injury concern that makes them a good possibility of being as much a bust as a boon. Imagine the meltdown here if the Chiefs picked Kindle and on the first play of the season he suffered the same injury that put him down in college. Or imagine the meltdown as Cody pretty much gives us 2 bad plays for every one and shows to be as lazy as some have acknowledged he has a propensity to be.

mmaddog
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chiefzilla1501
04-25-2010, 10:58 AM
No one is questioning the Eric Berry pick.

But I'm betting that Arenas sees the field more as the nickel than McCluster does on offense, and Arenas was drafted more for his return ability than his coverage abiility.

I don't agree.

Given how much Weis loves to throw to his RBs and given that he loves to run multiple plays from the same formation, I can guarantee you that he's drooling at the thought of a guy who can line up in the backfield and motion into the slot based on where the mismatch is. I think he's going to see the field quite a bit as a receiver-version of Kevin Faulk, who saw a ton of reps when he was with Weis, particularly as a receiver.

milkman
04-25-2010, 10:59 AM
So....we filled a need with Eric Berry.

Arenas and McCluster filled a need also...we completely stunk at the return game to the point I almost wanted to see Dante Hall return because we at least had 3 chances in 10 that we might see a TD run.

The Guard from Illinois is a steal according to everyone who looks at the draft.

Did we fill all our needs? No....but everyone here seems to be down on the fact that we didn't pick Kindle or Cody when each has an acknowledged weakness or injury concern that makes them a good possibility of being as much a bust as a boon. Imagine the meltdown here if the Chiefs picked Kindle and on the first play of the season he suffered the same injury that put him down in college. Or imagine the meltdown as Cody pretty much gives us 2 bad plays for every one and shows to be as lazy as some have acknowledged he has a propensity to be.

mmaddog
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It didn't have to be Clausen, or Kindle, or Cody, or Tate.

But we needed starters in the second round, not part time players.

Mosbonian
04-25-2010, 11:03 AM
It didn't have to be Clausen, or Kindle, or Cody, or Tate.

But we needed starters in the second round, not part time players.

So....taking out the 4 that you mention above, who would you have taken at that time who was still on the board?

mmaddog
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milkman
04-25-2010, 11:09 AM
So....taking out the 4 that you mention above, who would you have taken at that time who was still on the board?

mmaddog
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Based on how things fell, Misi or Benn, then Sean Lee or Jason Worilds.

There are other options as well, those are just a couple.

Mosbonian
04-25-2010, 11:10 AM
Based on how things fell, Misi or Benn, then Sean Lee or Jason Worilds.

There are other options as well, those are just a couple.

Didn't Benn come with some reservations on the part of the draftniks?

mmaddog
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milkman
04-25-2010, 11:20 AM
I don't agree.

Given how much Weis loves to throw to his RBs and given that he loves to run multiple plays from the same formation, I can guarantee you that he's drooling at the thought of a guy who can line up in the backfield and motion into the slot based on where the mismatch is. I think he's going to see the field quite a bit as a receiver-version of Kevin Faulk, who saw a ton of reps when he was with Weis, particularly as a receiver.

No question that Faulk is a weapon in the Pats offense, but the Pats won those SBs with defense and Tom Brady.

Even at his best, I'd be surprised if Faulk was used more than 60% of the Pats snaps, a part time weapon, and the Pats have never had anyone as dynamic as Charles.

DaneMcCloud
04-25-2010, 11:20 AM
Full time safety
Full time slot reciever
full time kick returner


Hopefully........

Full time guard
Full time safety

The only guy I question at this point is Moeaki. But if his string of fluke injuries is over, he'll become an important player.

milkman
04-25-2010, 11:21 AM
Didn't Benn come with some reservations on the part of the draftniks?

mmaddog
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There's a lot of people who had reservations about him, but he's talented and had a sorry QB to work with.

Deberg_1990
04-25-2010, 11:25 AM
Full time guard
Full time safety

The only guy I question at this point is Moeaki. But if his string of fluke injuries is over, he'll become an important player.

Yea, i didnt really care for the Moeaki pick either.....oh well....who knows right?

Consistent1
04-25-2010, 11:32 AM
It really seems that a whole lotta guys are way too upset with the draft.Those 2nd rounders will see a lot of action.Just have to wait and see what happens.They couldn't have made the D a complete shut-down unit in one draft.There will be no Superbowl,but I think the team will improve and be interesting to watch.May even surprise many people.
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DaWolf
04-25-2010, 11:49 AM
I don't agree.

Given how much Weis loves to throw to his RBs and given that he loves to run multiple plays from the same formation, I can guarantee you that he's drooling at the thought of a guy who can line up in the backfield and motion into the slot based on where the mismatch is. I think he's going to see the field quite a bit as a receiver-version of Kevin Faulk, who saw a ton of reps when he was with Weis, particularly as a receiver.

Unless McCluster turns into this year's version of Kris Wilson, who was drooled over by Saunders pre-draft but never was utilized by him once he got on the team, I agree he should see lots of action as he provides on paper another explosive piece for the offense, which we desperately need.

But Pioli was mentioning the thought process they used with Arenas, saying that even though he probably was going to come in as nickel, in this day and age, a nickel back actually gets a helluva lot of snaps on defense with all the passing out there. He's almost like a 3rd starter. In this division, you have to be able to stop the forward pass.

Of course that still leaves the question of how to generate pressure on the QB. Since we didn't really find the LB or a dynamic NT that will dominate up front, we're still going to have to be creative in terms of how we get to the QB. And if Arenas is as good as advertised in terms of blitz ability, he at least should add a piece there...

Basileus777
04-25-2010, 11:57 AM
Nicklebacks aren't really part-time players in today's NFL. If Arenas plays nickle and returns kicks, he isn't a part-time player. He could be on the field a lot and help fix not only our return game, but also our completely inability to guard slot receivers. And we are hardly set at corner to begin with. Flowers is the only proven player we have.

DaneMcCloud
04-25-2010, 11:59 AM
It didn't have to be Clausen, or Kindle, or Cody, or Tate.

But we needed starters in the second round, not part time players.

I think I have this whole thing figured out.

I had no idea what Pioli was doing last year. He drafted guys for the 3-4 and brought in 40 players off the street that were mostly familiar with the "system", their way of doing things. I didn't agree with it, but I'm beginning to understand their philosophy.

First and foremost, they're looking for leaders, smart instinctive football players and guys that will be at the core of this team for a decade. Guys that will be willing to take a little less when free agency comes around, just to be part of the "system" that will be in place. I think this draft solidifies this notion.

I also believe that Pioli knows he can't find playmakers in free agency, so he drafted playmakers this year. Berry, McClusters, Arenas and Moeaki all have the potential to be explosive, game changing playmakers. Asamoah could be a 10 year starter, maybe longer. Lewis plays much faster on film than his 40 time indicates because he's got natural football instincts, same with Sheffield.

I think the Chiefs passed on fatfuck Cody and broke Kindle (along with a few other defensive players) because they honestly believe that Jackson, Magee, Dorsey, Mays, Belcher and Studebaker make a big leap from year one in their defense to year two. Personally, I don't disagree.

I also think that it will be much easier for them to grab an NT and a few linebackers at cutdown than for them to find a dynamic WR/RB, CB/Returner and a TE in the mold of Dallas Clark.

What's become extremely clear is that Pioli has five full years in which to build this franchise in his image and that he's under no pressure to win now. With that being the case, he's going to build it exactly as he sees fit, regardless of what anyone else thinks or believes.

Only time will tell if he's successful or not, but I for one am in no way, shape or form, disappointed with this draft because he got playmakers and instinctual, productive football players that will help this team for a long time.

Deberg_1990
04-25-2010, 11:59 AM
I often wonder if people argued like this about the draft 20 years ago....

"F*ck you Carl!! How could you draft Dave Szott when Marvcus Patton and Shannon Sharpe were still on the board!!!!"

KCDC
04-25-2010, 12:15 PM
I think I have this whole thing figured out.

I had no idea what Pioli was doing last year. He drafted guys for the 3-4 and brought in 40 players off the street that were mostly familiar with the "system", their way of doing things. I didn't agree with it, but I'm beginning to understand their philosophy.

First and foremost, they're looking for leaders, smart instinctive football players and guys that will be at the core of this team for a decade. Guys that will be willing to take a little less when free agency comes around, just to be part of the "system" that will be in place. I think this draft solidifies this notion.

I also believe that Pioli knows he can't find playmakers in free agency, so he drafted playmakers this year. Berry, McClusters, Arenas and Moeaki all have the potential to be explosive, game changing playmakers. Asamoah could be a 10 year starter, maybe longer. Lewis plays much faster on film than his 40 time indicates because he's got natural football instincts, same with Sheffield.

I think the Chiefs passed on fat**** Cody and broke Kindle (along with a few other defensive players) because they honestly believe that Jackson, Magee, Dorsey, Mays, Belcher and Studebaker make a big leap from year one in their defense to year two. Personally, I don't disagree.

I also think that it will be much easier for them to grab an NT and a few linebackers at cutdown than for them to find a dynamic WR/RB, CB/Returner and a TE in the mold of Dallas Clark.

What's become extremely clear is that Pioli has five full years in which to build this franchise in his image and that he's under no pressure to win now. With that being the case, he's going to build it exactly as he sees fit, regardless of what anyone else thinks or believes.

Only time will tell if he's successful or not, but I for one am in no way, shape or form, disappointed with this draft because he got playmakers and instinctual, productive football players that will help this team for a long time.

An excellent analysis. I think it is true that fat NTs and decent ILB are able to be found on cut down days. The likes of Cody and Cam Thomas can be found in any draft or in free agency. They come and go from the game with little notice. Even solid WRs like Benn might be good, but are they really "special game changers?" Having a guy return a kick for a touchdown is a game changer. Having a RB/WR that causes a defense to make mistakes can be a game changer. These guys you just cannot get, except in the draft. No one wants to trade them, or let them go, until they are old and broken. You can trade for a Cam Thomas any day.

/rep

Otis Day
04-25-2010, 12:46 PM
I think we would all view this draft a little differently had they chosen Cam Thomas in the 5th. Then we could have lived with some of the odd choices earlier.

chiefzilla1501
04-25-2010, 12:53 PM
No question that Faulk is a weapon in the Pats offense, but the Pats won those SBs with defense and Tom Brady.

Even at his best, I'd be surprised if Faulk was used more than 60% of the Pats snaps, a part time weapon, and the Pats have never had anyone as dynamic as Charles.

I can see him being a hybrid between Faulk/Edelman (I don't want to use Welker, because I think Welker's much better). I think when you add up all the ways he can be used, he'll be on the field every bit as much as a guy like Cody. He's a slot receiver they currently don't have, he's a RB on downs that they don't want Charles/Jones on the field anyway.

And in the long-term view (2-3 years from now), he could easily become a complement back to Charles.

Add in that I could see him returning kicks while Arenas returns punts.

I disagree that he's a part-time player.

Frankie
04-25-2010, 12:59 PM
Chiefs say draft mission accomplished as team gains playmakers

I could buy into that somewhat if we had brought in a few stud O linemen and front 7 players during the FA weeks. We didn't, and this draft did not address those needs.

go bowe
04-25-2010, 01:25 PM
I think I have this whole thing figured out.

* * *

What's become extremely clear is that Pioli has five full years in which to build this franchise in his image and that he's under no pressure to win now. With that being the case, he's going to build it exactly as he sees fit, regardless of what anyone else thinks or believes.

* * * yep, if we can endure another season of losing almost all our games, we'll get that franchise qb that everyone wants so bad in next year's draft...

and a stud wr would be nice as well...

CarlPeterson_fan
04-25-2010, 03:51 PM
So are you guys missing me yet? I would have taken Kindle with 36, traded up for Clausen, and taken Cam Thomas in the fourth instead of trading it away for a TE that I could have had later. I hope Fatlock is choking on his bad words about me right now.

R&GHomer
04-25-2010, 04:51 PM
I think I have this whole thing figured out.

I had no idea what Pioli was doing last year. He drafted guys for the 3-4 and brought in 40 players off the street that were mostly familiar with the "system", their way of doing things. I didn't agree with it, but I'm beginning to understand their philosophy.

First and foremost, they're looking for leaders, smart instinctive football players and guys that will be at the core of this team for a decade. Guys that will be willing to take a little less when free agency comes around, just to be part of the "system" that will be in place. I think this draft solidifies this notion.

I also believe that Pioli knows he can't find playmakers in free agency, so he drafted playmakers this year. Berry, McClusters, Arenas and Moeaki all have the potential to be explosive, game changing playmakers. Asamoah could be a 10 year starter, maybe longer. Lewis plays much faster on film than his 40 time indicates because he's got natural football instincts, same with Sheffield.

I think the Chiefs passed on fat**** Cody and broke Kindle (along with a few other defensive players) because they honestly believe that Jackson, Magee, Dorsey, Mays, Belcher and Studebaker make a big leap from year one in their defense to year two. Personally, I don't disagree.

I also think that it will be much easier for them to grab an NT and a few linebackers at cutdown than for them to find a dynamic WR/RB, CB/Returner and a TE in the mold of Dallas Clark.

What's become extremely clear is that Pioli has five full years in which to build this franchise in his image and that he's under no pressure to win now. With that being the case, he's going to build it exactly as he sees fit, regardless of what anyone else thinks or believes.

Only time will tell if he's successful or not, but I for one am in no way, shape or form, disappointed with this draft because he got playmakers and instinctual, productive football players that will help this team for a long time.

I agree completely. I for one think Pioli has done a pretty damn good job this offseason. Someone should create a thread analyzing all the changes and additions that have been made thus far. This team will be better no doubt, none whatsoever, "more" imho than most think.

They have a plan and they are sticking to it. More importantly, if you take off the hate glasses, you can see it taking form right in front of your eyes. I'm excited.

Chris Meck
04-25-2010, 06:13 PM
It really, really pains me to agree it Dane.


But there it is. I do.

Brock
04-25-2010, 07:25 PM
So are you guys missing me yet? I would have taken Kindle with 36, traded up for Clausen, and taken Cam Thomas in the fourth instead of trading it away for a TE that I could have had later. I hope Fatlock is choking on his bad words about me right now.

Go polish your USFL championship ring.

CarlPeterson_fan
04-25-2010, 07:51 PM
Go polish your USFL championship ring.

I would have had a Superbowl ring too if I could have just completed my 25 year plan.