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DaWolf
04-26-2010, 09:56 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/video/23264718/

Apologize if re-post, didn't see it.

Also, a look inside the Chiefs draft room video:

http://www.kctv5.com/video/23264414/

CaliforniaChief
04-26-2010, 10:10 AM
Thanks for posting! I thought it should be noted that he did recognize the upcoming veterans available now that teams are looking at their teams (hopefully Henderson and others).

L.A. Chieffan
04-26-2010, 10:15 AM
So, Weis and Crennel weren't in the war room?

Pestilence
04-26-2010, 10:18 AM
So, Weis and Crennel weren't in the war room?

That's the way it looked to me.

InChiefsHell
04-26-2010, 10:19 AM
I have a friend who said that during the draft party in KC, Romeo Crennell was there at the party...not in the war room.

Goldmember
04-26-2010, 10:20 AM
So, Weis and Crennel weren't in the war room?

Weis wouldn't stop stomping his feet, holding his breath and spinning around on the floor because they wouldn't draft Clausen so they kicked him out.

kepp
04-26-2010, 10:21 AM
They were asleep during round 2, weren't they?

L.A. Chieffan
04-26-2010, 10:23 AM
Well how can it be a referendum on Clausen that even his own H/C last year wouldn't draft him this year if he actually had no input in the decision?

ChiefMojo
04-26-2010, 10:24 AM
Thanks for sharing. It is known in some franchises only very few are allowed in the war room. Basically just Hunt, Pioli, Haley, and player personnel/scouts.

Goldmember
04-26-2010, 10:24 AM
I have a friend who said that during the draft party in KC, Romeo Crennell was there at the party...not in the war room.

He was there for the food and free drinks

kepp
04-26-2010, 10:26 AM
Thanks for sharing. It is known in some franchises only very few are allowed in the war room. Basically just Hunt, Pioli, Haley, and player personnel/scouts.

It seems really odd to me that the coordinators wouldn't be there.

Reerun_KC
04-26-2010, 10:27 AM
They were asleep during round 2, weren't they?

If they get playmakers in round 2 every year by sleeping...

Then let them sleep. They rocked the house.

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 10:34 AM
So, Weis and Crennel weren't in the war room?

Looks like Kiper nailed it.

L.A. Chieffan
04-26-2010, 10:38 AM
Looks like Kiper nailed it.

People keep using the excuse that "even Weis didn't want Clausen, so what does that tell you?"

I think you can throw that one out the window.

JASONSAUTO
04-26-2010, 10:40 AM
People keep using the excuse that "even Weis didn't want Clausen, so what does that tell you?"

I think you can throw that one out the window.

so you think they never talked about it before the draft?:rolleyes:

The Bad Guy
04-26-2010, 10:41 AM
Looks like Kiper nailed it.

So because they weren't in the room means they had no input? That's a pretty steep generalization.

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 10:42 AM
People keep using the excuse that "even Weis didn't want Clausen, so what does that tell you?"

I think you can throw that one out the window.

You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 10:42 AM
So because they weren't in the room means they had no input? That's a pretty steep generalization.

You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

Good timing.

L.A. Chieffan
04-26-2010, 10:42 AM
so you think they never talked about it before the draft?:rolleyes:

I bet the conversation of IF Clausen fell into the their laps in the second round came up Weis wouldve said go for it.

Pioli cant admit he fucked up on Cassel is really all it comes down to. Is what it is and now Chiefs fans have to suffer for at least 2 to 3 more years.

Its OK.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 10:45 AM
That's the way it looked to me.

Not in there. This is not uncommon. Also, the board is set prior to the draft. Not during the draft. So, they have all their input before the board is even set.

DaWolf
04-26-2010, 10:47 AM
They have separate meetings prior to the draft with the coaches to get their thoughts and views on players. If I were running a team I would not want them in the war room. Pioli alluded to this prior to the draft. They want to enter the war room with a solid idea of who they want and where they want them. He said that the coaches and scouts will give their input and fight for the guys they believe in prior to draft day. Once draft day hits, they want to be set with their targets and scenarios, it's going to be too late for a guy to all of a sudden start campaigning for a player after the draft starts. All of that should be done beforehand...

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 10:48 AM
You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

You don't think they prepare for guys falling? Seriously. Do you think that? If nothing else they stack their board so that if there is someone falling, they can TRADE UP and get a player.

Now, the other thing here is, in regards to Clausen and Tate.... Between round 1 and round 2, there was a huge break. Do you think that Weis and Pioli and Crennel didn't chat a little about the draft?

I am sure that Pioli is an egotistical jerk that has to have everything his way... and I am sure that is why Crennel and Weis both came back to work for him despite having other opportunities. That makes so much sense.

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 10:49 AM
So when a scenario they didn't expect is staring them in the face, no one is there to keep Pioli from taking a KR.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 10:50 AM
They have separate meetings prior to the draft with the coaches to get their thoughts and views on players. If I were running a team I would not want them in the war room. Pioli alluded to this prior to the draft. They want to enter the war room with a solid idea of who they want and where they want them. He said that the coaches and scouts will give their input and fight for the guys they believe in prior to draft day. Once draft day hits, they want to be set with their targets and scenarios, it's going to be too late for a guy to all of a sudden start campaigning for a player after the draft starts. All of that should be done beforehand...

How can you say this? I mean, a logical well reasoned explanation? No way, it is because Pioli is an egotistical jerk and doesn't listen to anyone else, nor does he care. I mean, that is why Weis and Crennel came to work for him.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 10:52 AM
So when a scenario they didn't expect is staring them in the face, no one is there to keep Pioli from taking a KR.

Yep... I am sure that they were totally caught off guard with the talent that was available there.... they were so confused.

Arenas is a good kick returner AND a good corner. Two for one combo.

The Bad Guy
04-26-2010, 10:56 AM
So when a scenario they didn't expect is staring them in the face, no one is there to keep Pioli from taking a KR.

How do you know they didn't expect that scenario? If mockers were accurately predicting his free fall, why couldn't NFL teams?

You're right though - McCluster is just a KR.

JimNasium
04-26-2010, 10:56 AM
So when a scenario they didn't expect is staring them in the face, no one is there to keep Pioli from taking a KR.

Aren't you the genious (CPS) that was convinced that Ashleigh Lelie was the second coming of Jerry Rice and that DJ was a can't miss All-Pro? Honestly, your draft takes carry very little credibility with me.
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DaWolf
04-26-2010, 10:56 AM
You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

At that point it becomes the decision of the HC and GM, not the OC. Weis knew where they had Clausen graded and on their board and priority list. He also would have had an entire evening of post first day draft to give his input. They went into that second day knowing full well that Clausen would likely be there at 2A.

The question is whether Weis looked at it and said "Cassel is not a QB I'm going to be able to do anything with, and Croyle is useless, so let's get Clausen," or "Well, we really need some more explosiveness on offense, and I like this kid McCluster. You get me some offensive tools, and I'll fix your QB issue."

Certainly Weis could have been overruled, but my guess is that in them taking McCluster and moving up to get Moeaki, yet not moving up to get Clausen at 2b, the priority was more along the lines of getting Weis tools to work with on offense rather than another QB...

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 11:00 AM
Certainly Weis could have been overruled, but my guess is that in them taking McCluster and moving up to get Moeaki, yet not moving up to get Clausen at 2b, the priority was more along the lines of getting Weis tools to work with on offense rather than another QB...

I think that guess is 100% correct, but only because Pioli told Weis he had to work with Cassel.

At that point, of course Weis is going to want players that will help turn chicken shit into chicken salad.

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 11:04 AM
Aren't you the genious (CPS) that was convinced that Ashleigh Lelie was the second coming of Jerry Rice and that DJ was a can't miss All-Pro? Honestly, your draft takes carry very little credibility with me.
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You must have me confused with someone else.

Here are the four posts connecting me to Ashley Lelie in any way, shape or form. Two of them are responses to someone who mentioned Lelie.

And I wasn't a member of this forum when DJ was drafted, not have I ever pimped him as an All-Pro, to my recollection.

Sorry to disappoint.

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 11:04 AM
How do you know they didn't expect that scenario? If mockers were accurately predicting his free fall, why couldn't NFL teams?

You're right though - McCluster is just a KR.

You know I was talking about Arenas, why even go there?

JASONSAUTO
04-26-2010, 11:15 AM
You don't think they prepare for guys falling? Seriously. Do you think that? If nothing else they stack their board so that if there is someone falling, they can TRADE UP and get a player.

Now, the other thing here is, in regards to Clausen and Tate.... Between round 1 and round 2, there was a huge break. Do you think that Weis and Pioli and Crennel didn't chat a little about the draft?

I am sure that Pioli is an egotistical jerk that has to have everything his way... and I am sure that is why Crennel and Weis both came back to work for him despite having other opportunities. That makes so much sense.

i'll put money that pioli locked himself in the room all by himself all night thursday and all day friday so weis couldnt talk him into clausen

DaWolf
04-26-2010, 11:17 AM
I think that guess is 100% correct, but only because Pioli told Weis he had to work with Cassel.

At that point, of course Weis is going to want players that will help turn chicken shit into chicken salad.

I think that's a safe bet. My guess is that Weis would certainly have not minded drafting Clausen, but mainly because he's never worked with Cassel or Croyle before. So essentially, he's having to trust Haley on this since Haley has coached them both for a year. If I were an OC going to a team, I certainly would prefer having a QB around that I had worked with for three years and knew inside out. Of course that's probably why McDaniels and Pioli both wanted Cassel last year too...

Molitoth
04-26-2010, 11:36 AM
Nice vids.

Anyong Bluth
04-26-2010, 11:46 AM
So, Weis and Crennel weren't in the war room?

Weis was at Best Buy, using the Magnolia room & all the tv's to follow every channel covering the draft as his war room, & Scott sent Romeo on a beer run to get more Coors light..