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RustShack
04-26-2010, 11:50 AM
TOMORROW!

L.A. Chieffan
04-26-2010, 11:51 AM
O RLY

DBOSHO
04-26-2010, 11:51 AM
:D

-King-
04-26-2010, 11:52 AM
TOMORROW!

Link?
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the Talking Can
04-26-2010, 11:52 AM
hey!

Bill Lundberg
04-26-2010, 11:52 AM
You serious Clark?

Detoxing
04-26-2010, 11:53 AM
Fuck to the Yes.

If we can land Henderson.......

Detoxing
04-26-2010, 11:53 AM
Oh...and Link?

siberian khatru
04-26-2010, 11:53 AM
http://www.nndb.com/people/785/000023716/henderson-sized.jpg

Sofa King
04-26-2010, 11:53 AM
TEH DEAL IS DONE!!!11!1!1!!

Sully
04-26-2010, 11:54 AM
Awesome!

I bet the ballboys are lining up for who gets to do the pregame slaps!

Rain Man
04-26-2010, 11:55 AM
http://www.nndb.com/people/785/000023716/henderson-sized.jpg



Oh my god! Brady's coming to town, too?!?!?!

BigRedChief
04-26-2010, 11:56 AM
Oh...and Link?It was a tweet

aturnis
04-26-2010, 11:56 AM
Report: DT John Henderson Visiting The Chiefs Tomorrow (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/4/26/1445034/report-dt-john-henderson-visiting) <-- linky.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 26, 2010 11:18 AM CDT in 2010 Campaign

You said you were worried that the Chiefs didn't take a nose tackle in the 2010 NFL draft?

Well, maybe this is why they didn't.

Tom Rock of Newsday reports DT John Henderson is scheduled to visit the Chiefs tomorrow.



Henderson, 31, was released from the Jaguars this morning. SB Nation's Big Cat Country says the "writing has been on the wall" since the Jags drafted three defensive tackles in the last two drafts. He was reportedly on the trade block over the weekend, which might explain why the Chiefs chose to ignore nose tackle in the draft.

He's a massive 6'7", 328 pound defensive tackle. He's played in the Jaguars 4-3 defense since they made him the ninth overall pick in the 2002 draft.

I'm not sure why a 31-year old veteran would be interested in a position switch, especially a switch to nose tackle, which is arguably the most physically demanding position in football.

The Chiefs could choose to make up his mind for him with a big contract offer.

The Chiefs have Ron Edwards, Shaun Smith and Dion Gales as the only nose tackles on the roster.

He's missed just eight starts in his eight year career.

LaChapelle
04-26-2010, 12:03 PM
He signed the lease to Cowher's house in Leawood by fax at noon

Goldmember
04-26-2010, 12:04 PM
:clap:Oh my god! Brady's coming to town, too?!?!?!

Micjones
04-26-2010, 12:05 PM
Oh my god! Brady's coming to town, too?!?!?!

ROFL

Rep.

notorious
04-26-2010, 12:05 PM
Get this deal done yesterday.

Mr. Kotter
04-26-2010, 12:10 PM
Make this happen. :grovel:

PLEASE!

Hog Farmer
04-26-2010, 12:13 PM
Giants | Have expressed interest in John Henderson
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Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:07:45 -0400

The New York Giants have expressed interest in Jacksonville Jaguars DL John Henderson, reports ESPN's Adam Schefter. Henderson will be released Monday, April 26, according to a source close to the situation.


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Browns | Have expressed interest in John Henderson
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Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:07:10 -0400

The Cleveland Browns have expressed interest in Jacksonville Jaguars DL John Henderson, reports ESPN's Adam Schefter. Henderson will be released Monday, April 26, according to a source close to the situation.

Dicky McElephant
04-26-2010, 12:16 PM
WTF Giants.....

They're obviously stuck on the whole mantra of "You build the lines first".....

LaChapelle
04-26-2010, 12:16 PM
You know he has to be sick of hearing non stop Tebow talk in Florida
now he can have a chance to land on top of his greatness for KC

CoMoChief
04-26-2010, 12:16 PM
Good. We also need ILB/OLB help (badly)

Cave Johnson
04-26-2010, 12:17 PM
If we can land Henderson and an upgrade to Mays at ILB, it almost makes up for the luxury R2 picks.

gblowfish
04-26-2010, 12:17 PM
Florence Henderson weighs over three bills?
Man, I thought Wesson Oil was supposed to fry light!

notorious
04-26-2010, 12:18 PM
Giants | Have expressed interest in John Henderson
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Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:07:45 -0400

The New York Giants have expressed interest in Jacksonville Jaguars DL John Henderson, reports ESPN's Adam Schefter. Henderson will be released Monday, April 26, according to a source close to the situation.


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Browns | Have expressed interest in John Henderson
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Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:07:10 -0400

The Cleveland Browns have expressed interest in Jacksonville Jaguars DL John Henderson, reports ESPN's Adam Schefter. Henderson will be released Monday, April 26, according to a source close to the situation.

JFC


Hands off GUNTS!

Dylan
04-26-2010, 12:18 PM
Tom Rock of Newsday reports DT John Henderson is scheduled to visit the Chiefs tomorrow.

Tom Rock? Tom Rock of Newsday is beat reporter for the NY Giants --

Ut oh.... http://twitter.com/newsdaygiants

DaneMcCloud
04-26-2010, 12:19 PM
If we can land Henderson and an upgrade to Mays at ILB, it almost makes up for the luxury R2 picks.

Um, that was the plan all along.

You're not going to find two dynamic playmakers that can score anytime they touch the ball in free agency or on the waiver wire.

ILB's, OLB's and NT's are found every year.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-26-2010, 12:20 PM
Tom Rock? Tom Rock of Newsday is beat reporter for the NY Giants --

Ut oh.... http://twitter.com/newsdaygiants

He tweeted one hour ago

Certainly not impossible. Has to clear KC 1st, maybe others RT @ MichaelL1234 Tom, is Henderson to NYG totally non-realistic at this point?

gblowfish
04-26-2010, 12:22 PM
Well, obviously we can't block him...

Pitt Gorilla
04-26-2010, 12:23 PM
If we can land Henderson and an upgrade to Mays at ILB, it almost makes up for the luxury R2 picks.Where are people getting this "luxury picks" crap? We drafted a WR and a corner. How is drafting talented players considered a luxury?

BigRedChief
04-26-2010, 12:25 PM
Well, obviously we can't block him...wellll thats true for all NFL players.:)

Tribal Warfare
04-26-2010, 12:25 PM
Should've been the 1st round pick in '03

Chiefnj2
04-26-2010, 12:27 PM
Has he ever played in a 34?

Pitt Gorilla
04-26-2010, 12:28 PM
http://www.nndb.com/people/785/000023716/henderson-sized.jpgKindof hawt.

DaneMcCloud
04-26-2010, 12:28 PM
Has he ever played in a 34?

No, but he's a huge dude that could most definitely clog the middle and compliment Jackson and Dorsey.

philfree
04-26-2010, 12:28 PM
Where are people getting this "luxury picks" crap? We drafted a WR and a corner. How is drafting talented players considered a luxury?

They're not prototype prospects so they were a luxury. LOL


PhilFree:arrow:

gblowfish
04-26-2010, 12:31 PM
Kindof hawt.
Hey, she'll grab your package, so watch it!

KCrockaholic
04-26-2010, 12:32 PM
No, but he's a huge dude that could most definitely clog the middle and compliment Jackson and Dorsey.

This.

Although he's never done it, he would be very good at it.

ChiefMojo
04-26-2010, 12:34 PM
Just throw whatever he freaking wants in $$$ at him... we have plenty! Just don't let him leave KC without a signed contract!!!

aturnis
04-26-2010, 12:35 PM
Um, that was the plan all along.

You're not going to find two dynamic playmakers that can score anytime they touch the ball in free agency or on the waiver wire.

ILB's, OLB's and NT's are found every year.

Especially in a year where the draft was thick with them. Teams were loading up with them. They'll have to cut some of their own players to make room. Look at the Steelers and Ravens, both will be cutting some of their depth soon. Their depth should be better than our starters.

Fish
04-26-2010, 12:36 PM
No, but he's a huge dude that could most definitely clog the middle and compliment Jackson and Dorsey.

You really think Dorsey will be used at NT?

Why?

JASONSAUTO
04-26-2010, 12:37 PM
You really think Dorsey will be used at NT?

Why?

BRC is saying they will try it

tyton75
04-26-2010, 12:37 PM
still can't believe we drafted Sims over him

RustShack
04-26-2010, 12:40 PM
You really think Dorsey will be used at NT?

Why?

I think hes saying Henderson would be the NT and that would help our DE's Dorsey and Jackson..

ForeverChiefs58
04-26-2010, 12:43 PM
Hey, she'll grab your package, so watch it!

OMG why is she grabbing that dudes package?

Chiefnj2
04-26-2010, 12:46 PM
I think Henderson's reputation of years ago when he was alongside Stroud seems to be living on in people's minds.

Fish
04-26-2010, 12:46 PM
I think hes saying Henderson would be the NT and that would help our DE's Dorsey and Jackson..

OK. I think you're right.

But this idea has been floating around a lot lately. I can't see Dorsey ever being a NT.

DumbHillbillies
04-26-2010, 12:46 PM
Great. Pioli, don't let him leave without a contract even if your gumba goons have to "influence" him.

Basileus777
04-26-2010, 12:48 PM
Henderson is way too tall to play NT in a 3-4. He'd be a DE for us.

If we signed him, his best fit would be as a rotational run stopper at DE.

jAZ
04-26-2010, 12:50 PM
Um, that was the plan all along.

You're not going to find two dynamic playmakers that can score anytime they touch the ball in free agency or on the waiver wire.

ILB's, OLB's and NT's are found every year.

We agree?

I'm leaving the Lounge and heading back to DC again. Screw this.

okiedokieokoye
04-26-2010, 12:52 PM
Henderson is way too tall to play NT in a 3-4. He'd be a DE for us.

There is a height limitation? I thought the purpose of a nose tackle was to swallow up offensive linemen.

angelo
04-26-2010, 12:52 PM
They have Derek Lokey listed at NT also He is 6'1 300. Dion Gales is list at 253
but looked chubby when he played nose last year.


Ang

Dylan
04-26-2010, 12:53 PM
henderson would make a great rotational DE player in the 4-3




LMAO -- just kidding --didn't the giants sign about 20 of them? -- the whole team is one big defensive line except for eli

ChiefsCountry
04-26-2010, 12:54 PM
Is this make up for Vermeils mistakes offseason?
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Basileus777
04-26-2010, 12:54 PM
There is a height limitation? I thought the purpose of a nose tackle was to swallow up offensive linemen.

It's tough to swallow up multiple blocks if you're 6'7" and every guard you're lining up against can easily get under you. NTs tackle need to have a lower center of gravity, that's why they are usually shorter players.

ILChief
04-26-2010, 12:55 PM
There is a height limitation? I thought the purpose of a nose tackle was to swallow up offensive linemen.

Height could be useful in batting down passes

DaneMcCloud
04-26-2010, 12:55 PM
You really think Dorsey will be used at NT?

Why?

No, I meant that Henderson would be a great compliment to Jackson and Dorsey.

Jackson/Henderson/Dorsey as your front three starters (well, if they sign him).

RustShack
04-26-2010, 12:57 PM
Henderson is big. No one C or Guard will be able to block him regardless of how tall he is. There will need to be at least two people blocking him. Hence clogging the middle and serving his purpose.

dallaschiefsfan
04-26-2010, 12:59 PM
Um, that was the plan all along.

You're not going to find two dynamic playmakers that can score anytime they touch the ball in free agency or on the waiver wire.

ILB's, OLB's and NT's are found every year.

THIS.

Kinda' makes you think they might have actually known what they were doing since the Jags were shopping Henderson over the weekend.

Chocolate Hog
04-26-2010, 01:00 PM
Fuck yea

DenverDanChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 01:09 PM
OK. I think you're right.

But this idea has been floating around a lot lately. I can't see Dorsey ever being a NT.Because Pioli mentioned it in an interview last week then Dorsey was asked if he could do it and said sure.

locomoulds
04-26-2010, 01:09 PM
This is would be our best free agent signing this off season.

It would rank right after drafting Berry in terms of importance

Fat Elvis
04-26-2010, 01:10 PM
No, I meant that Henderson would be a great compliment to Jackson and Dorsey.

Jackson/Henderson/Dorsey as your front three starters (well, if they sign him).

Gives me [/wood]

Chocolate Hog
04-26-2010, 01:10 PM
Henderson would be a fan favorite.

Basileus777
04-26-2010, 01:11 PM
This is would be our best free agent signing this off season.

It would rank right after drafting Berry in terms of importance

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Henderson has played poorly the past two seasons without Stroud, that's why he's being cut. He's likely a rotational player at this point and isn't exactly a good fit at NT.

Chiefnj2
04-26-2010, 01:12 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Henderson has played poorly the past two seasons without Stroud, that's why he's being cut. He's likely a rotational player at this point and isn't exactly a good fit at NT.

I think he'd be a rotational DE, and yes, he's living off of reputation right now.

Chiefshrink
04-26-2010, 01:12 PM
Didn't Crennel say also that he was going to run a hybrid 3/4?? Which explains why Henderson would be a good fit IMO.

Dylan
04-26-2010, 01:14 PM
I think he'd be a rotational DE, and yes, he's living off of reputation right now.

then you keep him... :D

Bane
04-26-2010, 01:14 PM
Henderson would be a fan favorite.
If signed he would definitely give the D a lil fire.

Chiefshrink
04-26-2010, 01:14 PM
I think he'd be a rotational DE, and yes, he's living off of reputation right now.

True but I will take a player of Henderson's caliber even if he is just past his prime. We need help.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 01:17 PM
There is a height limitation? I thought the purpose of a nose tackle was to swallow up offensive linemen.

Leverage.

Fish
04-26-2010, 01:18 PM
Because Pioli mentioned it in an interview last week then Dorsey was asked if he could do it and said sure.

Well of course he said sure.

Does no one question why he hasn't manned the NT position at all up to this point?

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 01:18 PM
OK. I think you're right.

But this idea has been floating around a lot lately. I can't see Dorsey ever being a NT.

Dorsey plays with good leverage and would be a good NT. He is talented enough to play anywhere on the line effectively. He played NT for the Chiefs in his first year.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 01:20 PM
Height could be useful in batting down passes

Yeah, if he weren't laying on his backside from being blown off the ball.

Fish
04-26-2010, 01:20 PM
Dorsey plays with good leverage and would be a good NT. He is talented enough to play anywhere on the line effectively. He played NT for the Chiefs in his first year.

He played NT when the Chiefs were running a 4-3?

Wow... he must be versatile...

notorious
04-26-2010, 01:21 PM
Moving Dorsey to a position where his job is to take up blockers would be wasting his talent.


Oh. Wait.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 01:22 PM
Well of course he said sure.

Does no one question why he hasn't manned the NT position at all up to this point?

Well, he did play it in his rookie season, albeit in the 4-3.

And, I think most of us just realize that the new coaching staff will use players differently.

Oh, and without Haley making Dorsey do the Jane Fonda workout everyday, I bet he plays around 320lb. Which will work fine at NT.

jbwm89
04-26-2010, 01:22 PM
Per NBC Sports

The Chiefs will host free agent DL John Henderson on Tuesday.

Big John already has suitors lining up, with the Giants, Falcons, and Browns also in pursuit. Though Henderson's been a 4-3 lineman for his entire career, he did dabble at tackle in 3-4 sets with Jacksonville last season. His best position in a 3-4 like the Chiefs', however, would be at defensive end. In K.C., he'd form an imposing duo opposite 2009 No. 3 overall pick Tyson Jackson. Glenn Dorsey would move into a rotational backup role.


Imposing duo?

Would Dorsey really move into a rotational role or would he be traded/moved to nose

RustShack
04-26-2010, 01:22 PM
Dorsey plays with good leverage and would be a good NT. He is talented enough to play anywhere on the line effectively. He played NT for the Chiefs in his first year.

4-3 and 3-4 NT's aren't the same...

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 01:23 PM
He played NT when the Chiefs were running a 4-3?

Wow... he must be versatile...

You do know that there is a NT in the 3-4 as well, right? He played the NT. He didn't play the under tackle spot, which is where most thought he would play.

BigRedChief
04-26-2010, 01:23 PM
BRC is saying they will try ituhh claification here...just a rumor I heard.

Fish
04-26-2010, 01:25 PM
You do know that there is a NT in the 3-4 as well, right? He played the NT. He didn't play the under tackle spot, which is where most thought he would play.

:shake:

jbwm89
04-26-2010, 01:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAN9qsRGQts

I think Haley would love to do the trainer's job

jbwm89
04-26-2010, 01:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAN9qsRGQts

I think Haley would love to do the trainer's job

kysirsoze
04-26-2010, 01:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAN9qsRGQts

I think Haley would love to do the trainer's job

That's it... SIGN HIM IMMEDIATELY!!!!

kysirsoze
04-26-2010, 01:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAN9qsRGQts

I think Haley would love to do the trainer's job

btw, I love how scared the trainer looks to hit him.

DeezNutz
04-26-2010, 01:32 PM
In K.C., he'd form an imposing duo opposite 2009 No. 3 overall pick Tyson Jackson. Glenn Dorsey would move into a rotational backup role.



If true...LMAO.

KC: Snatching fail out of the jaws of win.

notorious
04-26-2010, 01:32 PM
After watching that I am ready to run through brick wall.



Fuck Ya!

kysirsoze
04-26-2010, 01:33 PM
And on third thought, I hope that guys entire job is slapping Henderson around pregame.

jbwm89
04-26-2010, 01:33 PM
There are two videos on youtube and its the same trainer in both

Reerun_KC
04-26-2010, 01:35 PM
Moving Dorsey to a position where his job is to take up blockers would be wasting his talent.


Oh. Wait.

Dorsey has or had talent? When did that start?

notorious
04-26-2010, 01:35 PM
Dorsey has or had talent? When did that start?

Yes, Mr. Reerun, Dorsey has talent :).

DaneMcCloud
04-26-2010, 01:37 PM
Per NBC Sports

The Chiefs will host free agent DL John Henderson on Tuesday.

Big John already has suitors lining up, with the Giants, Falcons, and Browns also in pursuit. Though Henderson's been a 4-3 lineman for his entire career, he did dabble at tackle in 3-4 sets with Jacksonville last season. His best position in a 3-4 like the Chiefs', however, would be at defensive end. In K.C., he'd form an imposing duo opposite 2009 No. 3 overall pick Tyson Jackson. Glenn Dorsey would move into a rotational backup role.


Imposing duo?

Would Dorsey really move into a rotational role or would he be traded/moved to nose

If the Chiefs rotated Henderson and Dorsey, I'd puke.

Dorsey's the best player on that defensive line by far and limiting his snaps would be idiotic.

I don't think this writer has a clue.

Nightfyre
04-26-2010, 01:38 PM
Is it just me or would Dorsey be an ideal NT in a phillips 34?

DaneMcCloud
04-26-2010, 01:40 PM
Is it just me or would Dorsey be an ideal NT in a phillips 34?

Yeah, if the Chiefs were to run a 1 gap, Dorsey would be like Jay Ratliffe.

Unfortunately, Crennel's never run a 1 gap so it's unlikely that this is where they're heading.

One can only hope...

Mr. Laz
04-26-2010, 01:41 PM
don't let him leave KC or will never get him back


we can find a place for him

DeezNutz
04-26-2010, 01:42 PM
Henderson and Thomas, please.

These signings would seem to make too much sense.

Chocolate Hog
04-26-2010, 01:43 PM
Why the fuck would Henderson play DE?

evolve27
04-26-2010, 01:43 PM
And on third thought, I hope that guys entire job is slapping Henderson around pregame.
:LOL:

RustShack
04-26-2010, 01:44 PM
Why the fuck would Henderson play DE?

Because his height makes him a DE.

Reerun_KC
04-26-2010, 01:45 PM
Yes, Mr. Reerun, Dorsey has talent :).

I think I have been above 14.5K way too much...

DeezNutz
04-26-2010, 01:46 PM
Why the **** would Henderson play DE?

Because we need an upgrade to Dorsey.

Hog Farmer
04-26-2010, 01:46 PM
Did a quick check at the Jag's forum to check the fan feelings og Henderson being cut. Nobody and I mean Nobody was glad to see him cut,but, it was a mutual feeling that he wasn't the same player since Stroud left and is definitely not dominant anymore. He was a fan favorite. They considered him the anchor of the D line and felt he should have been given a chance to compete in camp. Was due to make 5 million this year.

Quote
""I'm truly going to miss Big John. He's not a pass rusher by any means, but he's big and bad enough to still command double teams and he'll still make his tackles. ""

Mr. Laz
04-26-2010, 01:47 PM
Why the fuck would Henderson play DE?
because in a 3-4 defense the RDE is sort of a 3-tech DT

notorious
04-26-2010, 01:49 PM
I think I have been above 14.5K way too much...

Very relaxing, though.

Cut the 02 down, listen to the purrrrr of the engines, along with a nice gentle "rocking" from the smooth air. It sounds like the perfect napping enviroment to me.


Thank God the AP works.




J/K :)

Chocolate Hog
04-26-2010, 01:50 PM
Wheres that upgrade pic?

RustShack
04-26-2010, 01:51 PM
Because we need an upgrade to Dorsey.

We need to upgrade last years best DL?

Mr_Tomahawk
04-26-2010, 01:55 PM
Sooooo if Henderson is a rotational DE...we still have no NT? Correct...?

B_Ambuehl
04-26-2010, 01:55 PM
Jacksonville tried to move to a 3-4 D last year and tried running "Big" John Henderson at the nose. It didn't work out too well they ended up playing a rookie (Terrance Knighton) there the majority of the time.

Henderson might be able to hold up decent at the line of scrimmage but don't expect too much more from him at this point in his career regardless of where he plays.

RustShack
04-26-2010, 01:57 PM
Sooooo if Henderson is a rotational DE...we still have no NT? Correct...?

Shaun Smith and Travis Ivey..

Mr_Tomahawk
04-26-2010, 01:58 PM
Shaun Smith and Travis Ivey..

Sweeeeeet...are they true NTs?

RustShack
04-26-2010, 02:00 PM
Sweeeeeet...are they true NTs?

Smith has only been in the 3-4 two years... both under Crennel. Those were by far the best two years hes been in the league. Ivey is a rookie thats 6-3 341lbs.

DaneMcCloud
04-26-2010, 02:00 PM
Jacksonville tried to move to a 3-4 D last year and tried running "Big" John Henderson at the nose. It didn't work out too well they ended up playing a rookie (Terrance Knighton) there the majority of the time.

Henderson might be able to hold up decent at the line of scrimmage but don't expect too much more from him at this point in his career regardless of where he plays.

Even if this is true, the Chiefs could use a little veteran depth behind Dorsey.

Anyone remember the Cleveland game that Dorsey missed?

notorious
04-26-2010, 02:01 PM
Anyone remember the Cleveland game that Dorsey missed?

Repressed.

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 02:04 PM
Even if this is true, the Chiefs could use a little veteran depth behind Dorsey.

Anyone remember the Cleveland game that Dorsey missed?

I don't remember that game, but I remember the other 15 where he did play, and we gave up an average of 144.2 on the ground per game.

:D

HemiEd
04-26-2010, 02:07 PM
Even if this is true, the Chiefs could use a little veteran depth behind Dorsey.

Anyone remember the Cleveland game that Dorsey missed?

Oh crap, they should just trade him, he is too good.

TheGuardian
04-26-2010, 02:13 PM
Because we need an upgrade to Dorsey.

Just when I think you've posted the dumbest thing you ever could.........

DeezNutz
04-26-2010, 02:16 PM
Just when I think you've posted the dumbest thing you ever could.........

...you come along and top it.

How many posts of mine have you ever seen that seriously criticize Dorsey? Not all posts operate on the literal level.

Pushead2
04-26-2010, 02:17 PM
sign him you mother fucker!

Chocolate Hog
04-26-2010, 02:20 PM
If he's going to be a backup Dend he won't sign here. Plus Atlanta wants him they'll get him since Mike Smith was his old coach.

RustShack
04-26-2010, 02:22 PM
I'm pretty sure Henderson would start here... its just yet to be seen if its at NT or at DE with Dorsey moving to NT.

TheGuardian
04-26-2010, 02:23 PM
...you come along and top it.

How many posts of mine have you ever seen that seriously criticize Dorsey? Not all posts operate on the literal level.

Then why post something so stupid?

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 02:24 PM
Then why post something so stupid?

Here comes Captain Roid Rage.

notorious
04-26-2010, 02:26 PM
Here comes Captain Roid Rage.

LMAO

Joking aside, Dorsey is just fine.

DeezNutz
04-26-2010, 02:27 PM
Then why post something so stupid?

About 95% of all my posts are nothing more than smart-ass comments used to try to make a point.

I was actually whipping shit on all the people who labeled Dorsey a bust.

milkman, for example, prefers to call people dumbasses when they deserve it. I, meanwhile, prefer a more subtle approach.

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 02:27 PM
LMAO

Joking aside, Dorsey is just fine.

I agree. I'd prefer him in a 43, but he's more than serviceable at 5-tech.

CoMoChief
04-26-2010, 02:27 PM
I'm pretty sure Henderson would start here... its just yet to be seen if its at NT or at DE with Dorsey moving to NT.

Don't know why we would have an undersized NT playing that position when Henderson is MUCH larger than Dorsey.

bowener
04-26-2010, 02:28 PM
Could he play DE as well in the 3-4? Not full time or anything, just on obvious running plays or goal line or something. I mean the dude is 6'7" and 328 pounds. That is a long frame to spread that weight over, so I just wondered if there is more he could do than be a(n) (improved) NT rotational player?

notorious
04-26-2010, 02:28 PM
I agree. I'd prefer him in a 43, but he's more than serviceable at 5-tech.

Homerun.

TheGuardian
04-26-2010, 02:30 PM
Ah yes that theory that I'm some other guy from some other board.

That one is about as true as me being a dupe account or some guy from a junior college somewhere in Missouri. The shit people come up with around here is astounding.

I was told there was some dumbfuck Australian guy that keeps telling people I'm a guy from another board. Because apparently we post similarly. Wow, that's some evidence right there. Apparently one guy on here was convinced and HAD PROOF that I was a backup linebacker from a JC school in Missouri, when I didn't even play in this part of the country.

The only other place I've posted was chiefscoalition and that was years ago and that place sucked mother hen ass. The person who told me this alerted me to it and I've actually used some of this other guys sayings to stoke the fire. It's quite amusing actually.

I mean the shit people come up with around here is UNREAL.

TheGuardian
04-26-2010, 02:30 PM
About 95% of all my posts are nothing more than smart-ass comments used to try to make a point.

I was actually whipping shit on all the people who labeled Dorsey a bust.

milkman, for example, prefers to call people dumbasses when they deserve it. I, meanwhile, prefer a more subtle approach.

My bad then sir.

BigRedChief
04-26-2010, 02:34 PM
Ah yes that theory that I'm some other guy from some other board.

That one is about as true as me being a dupe account or some guy from a junior college somewhere in Missouri. The shit people come up with around here is astounding.

I was told there was some dumb**** Australian guy that keeps telling people I'm a guy from another board. Because apparently we post similarly. Wow, that's some evidence right there. Apparently one guy on here was convinced and HAD PROOF that I was a backup linebacker from a JC school in Missouri, when I didn't even play in this part of the country.

The only other place I've posted was chiefscoalition and that was years ago and that place sucked mother hen ass. The person who told me this alerted me to it and I've actually used some of this other guys sayings to stoke the fire. It's quite amusing actually.

I mean the shit people come up with around here is UNREAL.you have never crossed my radar before at the Coalition or here. I'm just poking you with a verbal stick. Good clean fun.;)

RustShack
04-26-2010, 02:35 PM
Don't know why we would have an undersized NT playing that position when Henderson is MUCH larger than Dorsey.

Dorsey is too short to play DE, Henderson is to tall to play NT...

DeezNutz
04-26-2010, 02:38 PM
My bad then sir.

It's cool.

LOCOChief
04-26-2010, 02:39 PM
didn't Henderson say just a couple of weeks ago that he would NOT play in a 34 and would be looking at teams that run 43? Pretty sure that I read this somewhere which makes the visit strange.

I hope I'm wrong and he becomes our NT for this year at least.

RustShack
04-26-2010, 02:40 PM
didn't Henderson say just a couple of weeks ago that he would NOT play in a 34 and would be looking at teams that run 43? Pretty sure that I read this somewhere which makes the visit strange.

I hope I'm wrong and he becomes our NT for this year at least.

That does make it strange since we are the first team and the only known team he is visiting...

Basileus777
04-26-2010, 02:42 PM
Don't know why we would have an undersized NT playing that position when Henderson is MUCH larger than Dorsey.

Dorsey is much shorter with a lower center of gravity. Henderson is a tall lanky player that plays high, which is exactly what you don't want from a nose tackle. Henderson would be awful at the nose, guards would get under him and block him one-on-one.

LOCOChief
04-26-2010, 02:42 PM
That does make it strange since we are the first team and the only known team he is visiting...

Like I said I could be wrong and I am glad for the visit, now let's land him!

Fruit Ninja
04-26-2010, 02:45 PM
If Crennel thinks he can play a NT in a 3-4, then i think it would be ok.

TheGuardian
04-26-2010, 02:49 PM
you have never crossed my radar before at the Coalition or here. I'm just poking you with a verbal stick. Good clean fun.;)

Oh I know. I've been accused here of being everyone from Tom Cruise to Chester McGlockton. It's just strange.

shammus
04-26-2010, 02:50 PM
Shaun Smith and Travis Ivey..

Didn't Ivey get signed by the Dolphins?

DaWolf
04-26-2010, 02:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAN9qsRGQts

I think Haley would love to do the trainer's job

I bet Nick Lowery would love that job...

Mr. Laz
04-26-2010, 02:51 PM
Dorsey is much shorter with a lower center of gravity. Henderson is a tall lanky player that plays high, which is exactly what you don't want from a nose tackle. Henderson would be awful at the nose, guards would get under him and block him one-on-one.
um ... they haven't been blocking him 1-on-1 so far in his career.

but i do agree that Henderson is probably not going to NT unless they go 1-gap.

TheGuardian
04-26-2010, 02:53 PM
You guys need to think outside of the box a little bit.

In NEW Crennel moved guys inside and outside all the time. He likes his linemen to be able to move and be versatile. So it may be that Dorsey is the starting nose and Henderson moves to his spot, however there may be plenty of downs where they switch that out, then move both guys inside in 40 front packages, and do the same with Jackson.

The truth is a guy like Henderson would really make the entire defense very unpredictable an unique. He doesn't have to be a full time nose tackle guy he and Dorsey or someone else could even split time in there.

RustShack
04-26-2010, 02:53 PM
Didn't Ivey get signed by the Dolphins?

Thats what I thought. But I seen another list today that had the top 10 UDFA signings and he was on the list going to KC. I'm really not sure.

teedubya
04-26-2010, 02:58 PM
This would give me a Sequoia sized boner, if we signed Henderson.

shammus
04-26-2010, 03:06 PM
Thats what I thought. But I seen another list today that had the top 10 UDFA signings and he was on the list going to KC. I'm really not sure.


Hmmm....found a link for CBS....not sure if they typo'ed this or what but they list Ivey as a Chief here and competing with Shaun Smith

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/13298699/top-free-agent-signings-10-players-who-can-make-an-impact

So at least we have Garrett Brown for sure, maybe Ivey and are trying to bring in John Henderson. I'd also like to take a look at Jay Ross if he's still available.... heard he was getting close to a contract with the Saints...anyone know if he's still available?

YayMike
04-26-2010, 03:12 PM
Hmmm....found a link for CBS....not sure if they typo'ed this or what but they list Ivey as a Chief here and competing with Shaun Smith

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/13298699/top-free-agent-signings-10-players-who-can-make-an-impact

So at least we have Garrett Brown for sure, maybe Ivey and are trying to bring in John Henderson. I'd also like to take a look at Jay Ross if he's still available.... heard he was getting close to a contract with the Saints...anyone know if he's still available?

Wow, if we did get Ivey that would be a great land. The Terps football team isn't all that big here in Maryland, but the two names you knew this year hearing about the team were Campbell and Ivey. He's 6'4 about 330. Good sign if they did get him.

YayMike
04-26-2010, 03:14 PM
Here's his bio:

http://www.umterps.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ivey_travis00.html

BigChiefFan
04-26-2010, 03:16 PM
Says that NT from Maryland signed with the Dolphins.

BigChiefFan
04-26-2010, 03:18 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/384501-miami-dolphins-ink-seven-undrafted-free-agents

Ivey included. Sorry to rain on your parade.

CoMoChief
04-26-2010, 03:20 PM
HOW IN THE WORLD?!?!?!? did this team NOT look for a NT in the draft????????

RustShack
04-26-2010, 03:23 PM
HOW IN THE WORLD?!?!?!? did this team NOT look for a NT in the draft????????

I've said it 100 times... Smith is a better NT than anyone is giving credit for.. and Crennel knows it.

BigChiefFan
04-26-2010, 03:23 PM
HOW IN THE WORLD?!?!?!? did this team NOT look for a NT in the draft????????

I've been trying to figure that out since the draft. All I can think is they didn't like the prospects.

shammus
04-26-2010, 03:26 PM
I was a fan of the Shaun Smith signing. He's still only 28 and people forget that his best couple years were in a 3-4 scheme under Crennel. I think that after that he switched over to a 4-3 and was as effective....

I was still hoping they'd address that position in the draft though....I was hoping for Troup, Thomas or Joseph. Thomas went in the 5th round too...AFTER both of our picks

teedubya
04-26-2010, 03:27 PM
If we get Henderson, I have to think most of our defensive problems are gone?

jspchief
04-26-2010, 03:28 PM
We could always go back to the 4-3 and play Dorsey and Henderson at DT

BigChiefFan
04-26-2010, 03:28 PM
If we get Henderson, I have to think most of our defensive problems are gone?
No, but it should certainly help us.

CoMoChief
04-26-2010, 03:29 PM
I've said it 100 times... Smith is a better NT than anyone is giving credit for.. and Crennel knows it.

Smith is not a starter.

shammus
04-26-2010, 03:30 PM
If anyone's listening to 610 right now, Nick Wright just reported that John Henderson is going to call in in just a couple minutes....

RustShack
04-26-2010, 03:30 PM
Smith is not a starter.

Yes, he will be.

BigChiefFan
04-26-2010, 03:33 PM
I hope we get him. We need to solidify our D-Line. Henderson's a savvy vet, who can help give us some push along the line. The draft will be better in my view, knowing we have a better than average D-Lineman vet, coming in to do his part.

CoMoChief
04-26-2010, 03:33 PM
We could always go back to the 4-3 and play Dorsey and Henderson at DT

:shake:

Chocolate Hog
04-26-2010, 03:33 PM
John Henderson on Nick Wrights show right now. Said he's visiting Wensday.

Delano
04-26-2010, 03:36 PM
John Henderson on Nick Wrights show right now. Said he's visiting Wensday.

Is that really how you think that word is spelled?

BigChiefFan
04-26-2010, 03:37 PM
http://www.610sports.com/
Stream it live. He's on now.

Chocolate Hog
04-26-2010, 03:37 PM
Is that really how you think that word is spelled?

Who gives a fuck i'm typing from my Zune HD so I don't care about grammar or spelling.

healthpellets
04-26-2010, 03:41 PM
man, that clip they played of Henderson getting slapped before a game could be one of the greatest drops ever.

oh, and here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4cXZGkRMCY&feature=related

no clue how to embed a video...sorry.

Mr. Plow
04-26-2010, 03:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAN9qsRGQts

I think Haley would love to do the trainer's job

ROFL

Sign him. Then, before each game, charge fans $20 a slap to get Henderson up for the game. Probably would pay for himself by the end of the year.

BigChiefFan
04-26-2010, 03:42 PM
This guy is damn good player. I'm surprised the Jags let him go. I really hope he becomes a Chief. I'd feel good about a D-Line of Dorsey, Henderson, and Jackson.

Chocolate Hog
04-26-2010, 03:42 PM
Says he's the best at stopping the run. We need this dude.

The Bad Guy
04-26-2010, 03:44 PM
Did he say he's coming into town tomorrow or Wednesday? Did they talk about him playing NT?

Huffman83
04-26-2010, 03:44 PM
If he's on a local piss ant local radio show. Don't you think that could hurt his chances at negotiating? I mean...that's cool that he wants to be in KC. But he should at least put up a little bit of a fight don't you think?

Dicky McElephant
04-26-2010, 03:44 PM
Did he say he's coming into town tomorrow or Wednesday? Did they talk about him playing NT?

Wednesday

healthpellets
04-26-2010, 03:45 PM
Says he's the best at stopping the run. We need this dude.

says he cleans real good too. ROFL

RustShack
04-26-2010, 03:45 PM
Did he say he's coming into town tomorrow or Wednesday? Did they talk about him playing NT?

He said Wednesday, and play where ever coach wants him to.

Mecca
04-26-2010, 03:46 PM
Isn't Henderson a bit tall to be a NT? He seems more suited to end for the scheme...Stroud is moving to end in the 3-4.

healthpellets
04-26-2010, 03:48 PM
If he's on a local piss ant local radio show. Don't you think that could hurt his chances at negotiating? I mean...that's cool that he wants to be in KC. But he should at least put up a little bit of a fight don't you think?

very non committal. just wants to play football and is enjoying his first opportunity to choose the team he plays for.

nothing that i could see hurting his negotiations. by no stretch did he say he really wants to join this team.

healthpellets
04-26-2010, 03:49 PM
Isn't Henderson a bit tall to be a NT? He seems more suited to end for the scheme...Stroud is moving to end in the 3-4.

also said he'd drop weight to play DE if that's what the coaches wanted.

ChiefMojo
04-26-2010, 03:50 PM
At this point I'm all for him to play any position along the DL. Work him both at DE and NT along with Dorsey. Find what is the best fit for this front seven and go with that. He is a uber talent at this moment we can't be turning down monsters like the Big Cat.

Wouldn't surprise me to see him at DE and us move Dorsey over to NT. Of course that will mean Dorsey will have to get up to at least 310+ and Henderson can drop some weight.

wazimo
04-26-2010, 03:51 PM
He didn't say he wanted to play for the Chiefs over any other team, just that he wants to play football somewhere. He takes pride in stopping the run.....do you think we could do with him?

He sounds like a really cool dude. Now please find us a ILB!

Mecca
04-26-2010, 03:53 PM
Well better hope we offer the most money or no good teams are interested, considering his age I'd think he'd pick a good team unless we pay significantly more money.

MVChiefFan
04-26-2010, 03:55 PM
Man I hope this happens. No matter how good or bad he turns out, I hope to God this happens. Really for my sanity more than anything else.

Basileus777
04-26-2010, 03:55 PM
Well better hope we offer the most money or no good teams are interested, considering his age I'd think he'd pick a good team unless we pay significantly more money.

The Giants and Browns are apparently interested. Though I don't know if the Giants really have room for more dlinemen on their roster.

Any place he goes he's likely to be a rotational player anyway.

Mecca
04-26-2010, 03:56 PM
The Giants, the collectors of defensive linemen.

CaliforniaChief
04-26-2010, 04:05 PM
It's a perfect situation. He can eat BBQ, gain weight, plug the run, and go to the bank.

Get the deal done.

Chocolate Hog
04-26-2010, 04:08 PM
Well better hope we offer the most money or no good teams are interested, considering his age I'd think he'd pick a good team unless we pay significantly more money.

Your on board with signing Henderson?

vailpass
04-26-2010, 04:08 PM
It's a perfect situation. He can eat BBQ, gain weight, plug the cheerleaders, and go to the bank.

Get the deal done.

I want that job.

Ralphy Boy
04-26-2010, 04:13 PM
Isn't Henderson a bit tall to be a NT? He seems more suited to end for the scheme...Stroud is moving to end in the 3-4.

His leverage would be a bit of an issue with that height. Haynesworth has an extra 15-20 lbs, with an inch less height, so he could be a monster.

Henderson's pre-draft scouting report from CNNSI (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/draft/players/99670.html).

Height Weight 40 Grade
6'6 306 4.93 4.51
Prop 48 player that started the past three seasons. All-Conference selection as a senior when he totaled 48/8.5/4.5, though he played most of the year with a severely sprained ankle. SEC Defensive Player of the Year and All-American in 2000 after 70/11/12, numbers which garnered him the Outland Trophy. Made an impact as a freshman registering 43/5/4.0.
Overpowering force that consistently impacts the game making plays behind the line of scrimmage. Explosive athlete with great bull-rushing strength, pursuit speed and one that makes plays either laterally or up the field. Relentless chasing the ballcarrier, effective defending the run or rushing the passer and even does a fine job when playing in space off the line of scrimmage. Gets tremendous momentum going and looks like a runaway locomotive charging up the field. Agile, redirects to the oncoming action and defeats several blocks on his way to the ballcarrier. At times looks like a man amongst boys but suffered mightily last season with his ankle injury and was not consistently able to stay in the lineup. Does not always play with great leverage nor does he keep his pads low, many feel because of lower back problems. Could also stand to improve his hand technique. When all is said and done, an impact defensive lineman that can be used at either tackle or end. At the top of his game, a great prospect. Early First Round.


Haynesworth's predraft scouting report from CNNSI (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/draft/players/99581.html)

Height Weight 40 Grade
6'5 320 4.93 4.40

Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images

Second team All-Conference selection last year as a junior when he broke through as a fulltime starter, totaling 36/1.5/11.5, also breaking up seven passes. 19/3.5/2 as a sophomore when he was rotated into the first unit after 11/0/2 as a true freshman.
Big, powerful, inside thug best stuffing the run. Quick off the snap with a nice first step, plays with excellent forward lean and gets leverage on opponents. Focused on by the opposition yet still bull rushes lineman off the ball and collapses the pocket. Effective off the line of scrimmage, makes plays down the field or laterally to the flanks. Cannot be handled in one-on-one blocking. Hard hitting but not instinctive and slow locating the ball at times. Puts his head down, rushes forward and over pursues the action. Must use his hands better, improve his technique and learn some moves. Could also improve the consistency and intensity of his game. A very early selection that will impact the game at the next level if he puts his mind to it, focuses and dedicates himself. Early First Round.

Mecca
04-26-2010, 04:14 PM
Your on board with signing Henderson?

Sure, I think you need a surplus of lineman but I do think he's more suited to end than he is NT.

ChiefMojo
04-26-2010, 04:17 PM
To be honest I don't care if we have Dorsey here already, getting someone like the Big Cat is a upgrade for the line in general. All the competition the better I suppose. I'm sure Dorsey won't go down with a fight. If we bring in Big Hen then Dorsey better produce where ever he is put (DE or NT).

gblowfish
04-26-2010, 04:19 PM
ROFL

Sign him. Then, before each game, charge fans $20 a slap to get Henderson up for the game. Probably would pay for himself by the end of the year.

Wasn't that dude in the movie "Blue Velvet?"

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Ralphy Boy
04-26-2010, 04:25 PM
Sure, I think you need a surplus of lineman but I do think he's more suited to end than he is NT.

Forced to choose, I'd rather play Henderson at NT than Dorsey.

rwalke10
04-26-2010, 04:28 PM
No, but he's a huge dude that could most definitely clog the middle and compliment Jackson and Dorsey.

Send him out there, give him an ear of corn, and tell him you'll come back for him later. With his elbows stuck out like that, he'll be 3 people wide...ROFL


...sorry, couldn't resist. :D

Flachief58
04-26-2010, 04:29 PM
By all accounts his skills are diminishing however he's deffinatly worth a look. Bring him in :rockon:TOMORROW!

KCChiefsFan88
04-26-2010, 04:38 PM
The fact everyone is getting all excited over a 31 year old guy who has spent his entire career playing in 4-3 defense speaks volumes about the Chiefs pathetic state of affairs along the defensive line.

Flachief58
04-26-2010, 04:41 PM
It is one of our biggest concerns captain :spock:The fact everyone is getting all excited over a 31 year old guy who has spent his entire career playing in 4-3 defense speaks volumes about the Chiefs pathetic state of affairs along the defensive line.

Short Leash Hootie
04-26-2010, 04:43 PM
I think people like OTWP forget how terribly inefficient our offense was last year...and how we were ALWAYS losing games...and most of the time, they weren't even close for an entire quarter...

That's ALWAYS going to bloat the numbers when it comes to our rush defense...

Our biggest flaws last year was our pass defense, and our offense.

Our rush defense wasn't great or anything...or even good...but really, outside of that ridiculous Harrison performance it was never our biggest flaw on gameday last year.

Short Leash Hootie
04-26-2010, 04:45 PM
lets put it this way...

almost every single team's game plan against us was to get the early lead on us with the pass...

they softened up our defense by passing the ball on us and opening the running game up...that's ass backwards on how things usually go...that just shows how much we needed to improve our secondary...

The Ravens are a running football team...

Go watch the 1st half of the Ravens/Chiefs game and tell me what their gameplan was...

(Hint: It wasn't beating us with Ray Rice/Willis McGahee and Leron McClain.)

Basileus777
04-26-2010, 04:45 PM
I think people like OTWP forget how terribly inefficient our offense was last year...and how we were ALWAYS losing games...and most of the time, they weren't even close for an entire quarter...

That's ALWAYS going to bloat the numbers when it comes to our rush defense...

Our biggest flaws last year was our pass defense, and our offense.

Our rush defense wasn't great or anything...or even good...but really, outside of that ridiculous Harrison performance it was never our biggest flaw on gameday last year.

The run defense wasn't just terrible in terms of volume, but also efficiency. When you give up 4.7 ypc it's not just a result of teams running the ball against you a ton of times.

Short Leash Hootie
04-26-2010, 04:47 PM
just go look at our losses...

you'll see a trend

they beat us through the air more than they beat us on the ground

ForeverChiefs58
04-26-2010, 04:48 PM
we should switch to 4-3, the less linebackers we have to use the better!
Pick up Haynesworth and Henderson combine with Dorsey and our line is a strength instead of weakness.

Mr. Laz
04-26-2010, 04:49 PM
btw i guess Henderson's workout is going to be on wednesday

dunno if that means he will be here for 2 days ...1 visit/1workout :shrug:

Mr. Laz
04-26-2010, 04:49 PM
we should switch to 4-3, the less linebackers we have to use the better!
Pick up Haynesworth and Henderson combine with Dorsey and our line is a strength instead of weakness.
and fire Crennel and the other Defensive coaches?

suds79
04-26-2010, 04:51 PM
we should switch to 4-3, the less linebackers we have to use the better!
Pick up Haynesworth and Henderson combine with Dorsey and our line is a strength instead of weakness.

I think we should put in a trade offer for Peyton Manning.

That is about as likely as us switching back to a 4-3.

That topic should really go away.

Flachief58
04-26-2010, 04:52 PM
It's the d-lines job to get to the qb on passing plays. with only 22 sacks on the year, I would say that we have big problems on the line. Are there other problem areas on d? Of course there are. But we can't fix all of our short commings at once. Might as well start building the lines first and address the rest after this season. GO :arrow:I think people like OTWP forget how terribly inefficient our offense was last year...and how we were ALWAYS losing games...and most of the time, they weren't even close for an entire quarter...

That's ALWAYS going to bloat the numbers when it comes to our rush defense...

Our biggest flaws last year was our pass defense, and our offense.

Our rush defense wasn't great or anything...or even good...but really, outside of that ridiculous Harrison performance it was never our biggest flaw on gameday last year.

Short Leash Hootie
04-26-2010, 04:52 PM
Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating)

Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2

Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating)

E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating)

Romo 350 yards (113 rating)

Rivers 270 yards (123 rating)

Garrard 270 yards (111 rating)

Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating)

Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed

Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed

Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed

Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC

...

Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.

Short Leash Hootie
04-26-2010, 04:53 PM
I gotta make a thread out of that one...

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 04:53 PM
I think people like OTWP forget how terribly inefficient our offense was last year...and how we were ALWAYS losing games...and most of the time, they weren't even close for an entire quarter...

That's ALWAYS going to bloat the numbers when it comes to our rush defense...

Our biggest flaws last year was our pass defense, and our offense.

Our rush defense wasn't great or anything...or even good...but really, outside of that ridiculous Harrison performance it was never our biggest flaw on gameday last year.

We scored 22 points a game after inserting Charles into the starting lineup.

That's good enough to win most of your games if you have even an average defense.

22 PPG gets puts you in the top half of the league on offense, and 21st on defense.

We could have left the offense untouched, and all we'd need to do is have a Top 2/3 defense and we'd win more games than we'd lose.

Dylan
04-26-2010, 04:56 PM
Per NBC Sports

The Chiefs will host free agent DL John Henderson on Tuesday.

Big John already has suitors lining up, with the Giants, Falcons, and Browns also in pursuit. Though Henderson's been a 4-3 lineman for his entire career, he did dabble at tackle in 3-4 sets with Jacksonville last season. His best position in a 3-4 like the Chiefs', however, would be at defensive end. In K.C., he'd form an imposing duo opposite 2009 No. 3 overall pick Tyson Jackson. Glenn Dorsey would move into a rotational backup role.


http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/ernaehrung/food-smiley-019.gif

Rooster
04-26-2010, 04:56 PM
btw i guess Henderson's workout is going to be on wednesday

dunno if that means he will be here for 2 days ...1 visit/1workout :shrug:

Pioli better get the white women on the phone. If Henderson leaves town he isn't looking back.

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 04:56 PM
Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating)

Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2

Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating)

E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating)

Romo 350 yards (113 rating)

Rivers 270 yards (123 rating)

Garrard 270 yards (111 rating)

Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating)

Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed

Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed

Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed

Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC

...

Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.



22nd in pass defense.

31st in run defense.

Wanna try again?

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 04:57 PM
Here's the part where Hootie ignores the facts.

Short Leash Hootie
04-26-2010, 05:00 PM
22nd in pass defense.

31st in run defense.

Wanna try again?

Yeah ROFL

Go look at the first halves of our first 9 losses...

Other than that Oakland abortion where we beat ourselves...

You'll know what really beat us...

I just posted it.

If you throw out the Denver/Buffalo and Cleveland games...

This wouldn't even be a debate...down the stretch...we either stopped caring or broke down...

but our first 9 losses?

It was given to us because QB's ABUSED us.

Short Leash Hootie
04-26-2010, 05:02 PM
Here's the part where Hootie ignores the facts.

Those yardage stats mean NOTHING to me...

and they shouldn't mean anything to anyone...

I go by what I watch...

and only an idiot would try and ignore the fact we were beat through the air way worse than we were beat on the ground...other than Trent Edwards, JeMarcus Russel and Brady Quinn...every QB had at least a 92 rating against us and tore us the fuck up...including the Jacksonville "all we want to do is run the ball 90 times a game!" Jaguars...who beat us because of David Garrard...not Maurice Jones-Drew and his one garbage time TD late in the 4th quarter.

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 05:02 PM
Yeah ROFL

Go look at the first halves of our first 9 losses...

Other than that Oakland abortion where we beat ourselves...

You'll know what really beat us...

I just posted it.

If you throw out the Denver/Buffalo and Cleveland games...

This wouldn't even be a debate...down the stretch...we either stopped caring or broke down...

but our first 9 losses?

It was given to us because QB's ABUSED us.

Throwing out games? That's convenient.

Care to post some statistical evidence supporting your claim, or would you like us to just assume your claim is true, just because you said so?

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 05:03 PM
Those yardage stats mean NOTHING to me...

and they shouldn't mean anything to anyone...

I go by what I watch...

and only an idiot would try and ignore the fact we were beat through the air way worse than we were beat on the ground...other than Trent Edwards, JeMarcus Russel and Brady Quinn...every QB had at least a 92 rating against us and tore us the fuck up...including the Jacksonville "all we want to do is run the ball 90 times a game!" Jaguars...who beat us because of David Garrard...not Maurice Jones-Drew and his one garbage time TD late in the 4th quarter.

And there it is, Ladies and Gentlemen.

The facts mean nothing to Hootie.

ChiefMojo
04-26-2010, 05:04 PM
Actually Flachief58 in the 3-4 it is the DL's job to tie up the blockers and make penetration for the LB's to get to the QB's. This is why 3-4 NT/DE's have lower sack totals. Yes, in the 4-3 it is the job of the DL to make majority of the QB sacks.

Short Leash Hootie
04-26-2010, 05:10 PM
And there it is, Ladies and Gentlemen.

The facts mean nothing to Hootie.

I guess I'll have to go add up the stats for the QB's against us in our 12 losses...

RustShack
04-26-2010, 06:09 PM
We are a bend but don't break defense under Crennel, yards don't matter as much. Where did the TD's come from?

MahiMike
04-26-2010, 06:19 PM
I was posting this last week. Dude's a monster. Big enough to play 2 positions on the DL.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6707140&postcount=24

Sure-Oz
04-26-2010, 06:19 PM
Isn't he visiting wed and not tues?

LaChapelle
04-26-2010, 06:21 PM
This is where Vrabel brings some worth to the club
they need a respected player to convince a FA to sign here

chiefzilla1501
04-26-2010, 06:34 PM
I said we should have shopped Dorsey and got a lot of shit for it.

Now you see why. I feel like finding these kinds of guys who can fit in at 5-technique isn't overly hard.

Now we have a chance to sign a guy who could be extremely productive at the 5-technique and we're either forcing a guy like Dorsey, who could still have good trade value, into an unnatural position.

If we get Henderson, I would still shop Dorsey around in a trade. Maybe that's just me.

Pioli Zombie
04-26-2010, 06:36 PM
What time will Mecca make his proclamation that Henderson sucks anyway.

Pioli Zombie
04-26-2010, 06:40 PM
What the Chiefs need to do is wine him and dine him and show him the best places in Kansas City to spit drinks into womens faces.

RustShack
04-26-2010, 06:41 PM
What the Chiefs need to do is wine him and dine him and show him the best places in Kansas City to spit drinks into womens faces.

Are you free for him to spit in your face for us?

Pioli Zombie
04-26-2010, 06:44 PM
Are you free for him to spit in your face for us?
No I've got plans with your Mom.

Consistent1
04-26-2010, 06:53 PM
Deal is done.I saw a big dude with a cart full of Pringles and M&M's at Wal-Mart today.Chiefs sideline style clothes kind of made me look again.Did a double take and I'll be damned if it wasn't Romeo! Introduced myself and told him that I couldn't wait to see Berry on the field.Talked for a second and got a pic.Might be able to post it later,but too excited right now....because...as he was getting ready to pull the cart away I said "So, who do you like out of the free agents remaining"? He cracked a huge grin,threw a soft,playful jab to my ribs and said...."D-Line....NOSE TACKLE...." and off he went.There you have it...done deal with Henderson.
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Dicky McElephant
04-26-2010, 06:57 PM
No I've got plans with your Mom.

So his Mom is going to spit in your face?

Pioli Zombie
04-26-2010, 06:59 PM
Deal is done.I saw a big dude with a cart full of Pringles and M&M's at Wal-Mart today.Chiefs sideline style clothes kind of made me look again.Did a double take and I'll be damned if it wasn't Romeo! Introduced myself and told him that I couldn't wait to see Berry on the field.Talked for a second and got a pic.Might be able to post it later,but too excited right now....because...as he was getting ready to pull the cart away I said "So, who do you like out of the free agents remaining"? He cracked a huge grin,threw a soft,playful jab to my ribs and said...."D-Line....NOSE TACKLE...." and off he went.There you have it...done deal with Henderson.
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So I know a guy whose wife is a Real Estate agent and she told him her boss said a big black guy was looking at houses in Overland Park today. The deal is done!!!!

DeezNutz
04-26-2010, 06:59 PM
I said we should have shopped Dorsey and got a lot of shit for it.

Now you see why. I feel like finding these kinds of guys who can fit in at 5-technique isn't overly hard.

Now we have a chance to sign a guy who could be extremely productive at the 5-technique and we're either forcing a guy like Dorsey, who could still have good trade value, into an unnatural position.

If we get Henderson, I would still shop Dorsey around in a trade. Maybe that's just me.

Pioli clearly disagrees with you, or he wouldn't have drafted Jackson last year. And, unless you're a GM, I think I'll take his word over yours.

If Pioli passed on other players to draft TJ, that ought to tell us something.

CHENZ A!
04-26-2010, 07:00 PM
HENDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Let's get him. Then Let's go bang a motherfucker man!

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2010, 07:02 PM
Pioli clearly disagrees with you, or he wouldn't have drafted Jackson last year. And, unless you're a GM, I think I'll take his word over yours.

If Pioli passed on other players to draft TJ, that ought to tell us something.

And then followed up the TJ pick with...

Another 5-technique.

DeezNutz
04-26-2010, 07:05 PM
And then followed up the TJ pick with...

Another 5-technique.

Because if you have the opportunity to grab two, you simply have to make that move.

Seriously, bring in Big John. The only potential downside would be Pioli going full himself and relegating Dorsey to a backup role.

chiefzilla1501
04-26-2010, 07:06 PM
Pioli clearly disagrees with you, or he wouldn't have drafted Jackson last year. And, unless you're a GM, I think I'll take his word over yours.

If Pioli passed on other players to draft TJ, that ought to tell us something.

I've learned very quickly that drafting TJ that high was a pretty dumb mistake. I still think he'll be fine. But he'll never justify the pick.

Pioli Zombie
04-26-2010, 07:07 PM
So his Mom is going to spit in your face?
No, she'll be swallowing. Your mom is the spitter.

Pawnmower
04-26-2010, 08:10 PM
Wow....

I really hope this happens...

I don't care if he spits on a couple of bitches.....

BigChiefFan
04-26-2010, 08:29 PM
I hope he wants to play here and the Chiefs do what it takes to get him. I'm sick of having the bottom of the barrel defense. I think Henderson improves our D-Line and elevates the young players around him. Time to right the ship.

BigChiefFan
04-26-2010, 08:38 PM
John Henderson Says He'll "Play Wherever Coach Wants Me To Play"
by Joel Thorman on Apr 26, 2010 4:06 PM CDT in 2010 NFL Draft 198 comments


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News came out this morning that John Henderson was visiting the Chiefs and a few hours later we've already heard from him, courtesy Nick Wright of 610 Sports. Henderson joined Wright's show this afternoon about 10 minutes.

Henderson told Wright his workout with the Chiefs is on Wednesday -- not tomorrow.

"It's just the way we scheduled it," Henderson said of his free agent tour. "My options are open."



There have been some questions of where Henderson -- 6'7" and 335 pounds -- would play. But, as SB Nation's Big Cat Country pointed out, he played defensive end when the Jaguars were in a 3-4 last year. Wright asked him if he came to Kansas City because of potential playing time along the defensive line, specifically nose tackle. Henderson didn't say anything about nose tackle but did indicate he was willing to lose some weight to play defensive end.

"If coach thinks I need to drop some pounds and be 325, I can definitely do that if they want me at [defensive] end," he said. "It's all about me being flexible and being able to move and pass rush when it's time to rush. I can do it at 330 but I'm flexible to do anything."

A Henderson signing would raise quite a questions, none bigger than what happens to Glenn Dorsey. If Henderson came in to play defensive end in the Chiefs 3-4, surely he would be replacing Dorsey. Would he then be moved to nose tackle?

Even if Henderson isn't necessarily a true need at this point, Chiefs GM Scott Pioli has said a few times that he's about collecting good football players. Apparently the Chiefs feel he fits that criteria.


http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/4/26/1445627/john-henderson-says-hell-play

boogblaster
04-26-2010, 09:01 PM
Sign 3 or 4 NTs .. play them in shifts ...

KCChiefsMan
04-26-2010, 09:07 PM
Oh please please please!!!

Scott, redeem yourself for the 2nd round with the fans.

WildTurkey
04-26-2010, 09:19 PM
Oh please please please!!!

Scott, redeem yourself for the 2nd round with the fans.

It seems to me that plenty of fans are just fine with the second round

KCChiefsMan
04-26-2010, 09:20 PM
It seems to me that plenty of fans are just fine with the second round

we aren't going to keep having this argument. You have your opinions and I have mine. I don't like the 2nd round one damned bit.

DaneMcCloud
04-26-2010, 09:22 PM
we aren't going to keep having this argument. You have your opinions and I have mine. I don't like the 2nd round one damned bit.

Yeah, I agree.

I HATE the fact that Pioli passed on a couple of questionable defensive players in favor of drafting a couple of guys that can change the outcome of a football game with a single touch of the ball.

Fuckin' Pioli.

Oh yeah and Cam Thomas for President of the Universe.

WildTurkey
04-26-2010, 09:23 PM
we aren't going to keep having this argument. You have your opinions and I have mine. I don't like the 2nd round one damned bit.

Well then don't speak for me or anyone else by saying he needs to make it up to the "fans"

WildTurkey
04-26-2010, 09:28 PM
we aren't going to keep having this argument. You have your opinions and I have mine. I don't like the 2nd round one damned bit.

Yeah, I agree.

I HATE the fact that Pioli passed on a couple of questionable defensive players in favor of drafting a couple of guys that can change the outcome of a football game with a single touch of the ball.

****in' Pioli.

Oh yeah and Cam Thomas for President of the Universe.

Be careful.... he will neg rep you for not agreeing with him :rolleyes:

RustShack
04-26-2010, 09:30 PM
Yeah, I agree.

I HATE the fact that Pioli passed on a couple of questionable defensive players in favor of drafting a couple of guys that can change the outcome of a football game with a single touch of the ball.

Fuckin' Pioli.

Oh yeah and Cam Thomas for President of the Universe.

I'll admit I was pissed when we drafted a RB. Super fucking pissed. But when I read up on him, watched some vids, learned he was going to a slot receiver, and that he was pretty much Percy Harvin, Wes Welker, and Dante Hall all wrapped into one... I'm super glad we drafted him. Its pretty much like having two Jammal Charles on the field at once, teams will have a real hard time not giving up game changing plays against us. Especially if Arenas is half the threat hes supposed to be in the return game on top of that.. not to mention Areans reminds me a lot of Brandon Flowers when he came out of Virginia Tech.

Shag
04-26-2010, 09:31 PM
I'd be surprised to see JH sign with a 3-4 team. Would be nice, though...