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Mr. Kotter
04-26-2010, 11:49 AM
Based on Romeo as DC it may seem a done deal; however, our personnel (keeping DJ), the draft moves....and the talk about Henderson, I'm thinking the Chiefs may be abandonning the 3-4. At a minimum they seem to be hedging their bets....

:hmmm:

I can definitely see Henderson converting to an effective NT but there would likely be a transition period. Overall though, the lack of aggressive moves to bring in more 3-4 personnel makes me wonder how committed to the 3-4 they are...

KCrockaholic
04-26-2010, 11:51 AM
We are keeping the 3-4. That's all Romeo has ever coached, he knows a 3-4 better than anyone else in the league. End of story.

Reerun_KC
04-26-2010, 11:52 AM
We are keeping the 3-4. That's all Romeo has ever coached, he knows a 3-4 better than anyone else in the league. End of story.


This X's eleventy billion...

RustShack
04-26-2010, 11:53 AM
4-3 DL. Hali-Dorsey-Henderson-Jackson

Mr. Laz
04-26-2010, 11:58 AM
We are keeping the 3-4. That's all Romeo has ever coached, he knows a 3-4 better than anyone else in the league. End of story.

yep ... although he might be willing to run a 1-gap 3-4 instead of a 2-gap.

i dunno

Saccopoo
04-26-2010, 11:59 AM
Crennel is a 3-4 purist. They will be a 3-4 team almost to the definition of such a scheme.

Henderson is coming into the point of his career where he isn't going to have that initial burst but is still strong and big enough to command double teams. At this point, he's probably better suited to play the NT in a 3-4 versus a 4-3. It wouldn't be a bad pickup.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2010, 12:00 PM
We are keeping the 3-4. That's all Romeo has ever coached, he knows a 3-4 better than anyone else in the league. End of story.

Actually not true. He has coached both. In NE, they played both at different times. It will depend on the matchups in many cases. Towards the end of his run there, they were more predominantly a 3-4 team. But, in 2001, when he first got there, they ran a bunch of 4-3 stuff, and I think it was their primary defense.

suds79
04-26-2010, 12:02 PM
We are keeping the 3-4. That's all Romeo has ever coached, he knows a 3-4 better than anyone else in the league. End of story.

Yep. That should be about the end of this tread.

The 4-3 is just not going to happen as long as Scott Pioli is here. Like it or not, that's where we're at.

RustShack
04-26-2010, 12:03 PM
The Chiefs should use some 4-3.. and probably use a four man front in nickle situations. But our base defense will be a 2gap 3-4.

Mr. Kotter
04-26-2010, 12:03 PM
Crennel is a 3-4 purist. They will be a 3-4 team almost to the definition of such a scheme.

Henderson is coming into the point of his career where he isn't going to have that initial burst but is still strong and big enough to command double teams. At this point, he's probably better suited to play the NT in a 3-4 versus a 4-3. It wouldn't be a bad pickup.

That makes a lot of sense, I guess.

I'm just really frustrated by the lack of moves to address the rush/backer and NT situation from last year...

Signing Henderson and converting him WOULD be a good first step toward fixing the broke-dick half-assed bastardized shit we ran last year.

I know finding and signing 3-4 personnel isn't that easy, but damn....we've been draggin' our feet. And it's just really begun to piss me off.

RustShack
04-26-2010, 12:04 PM
Why do people want a new rushbacker? Ours was second in the NFL in pressures last year. With a better DL and overall defense he would have had more sacks.

ChiefMojo
04-26-2010, 12:06 PM
Pioli is a 3-4 guy, Romeo is a 3-4 guy, both our LB coaches in Gibbs/Zimmer are 3-4 guys, etc. It is what our pro and college personnel people are looking for.

Mr. Kotter
04-26-2010, 12:07 PM
Why do people want a new rushbacker? Ours was second in the NFL in pressures last year. With a better DL and overall defense he would have had more sacks.

Tamba is fine; but we need another legitimate threat, IMHO.

Pioli is a 3-4 guy, Romeo is a 3-4 guy, both our LB coaches in Gibbs/Zimmer are 3-4 guys, etc. It is what our pro and college personnel people are looking for.

They haven't been too aggressive really trying to sign those types of players though....IMO.

RustShack
04-26-2010, 12:08 PM
Pioli is a 3-4 guy, Romeo is a 3-4 guy, both our LB coaches in Gibbs/Zimmer are 3-4 guys, etc. It is what our pro and college personnel people are looking for.

When has Zimmer ever been with a 3-4 team?

KCrockaholic
04-26-2010, 12:11 PM
Actually not true. He has coached both. In NE, they played both at different times. It will depend on the matchups in many cases. Towards the end of his run there, they were more predominantly a 3-4 team. But, in 2001, when he first got there, they ran a bunch of 4-3 stuff, and I think it was their primary defense.

You might be right, but we need a PAT fan to let us know about this. I remember something like that, but I think it was pretty much 3-4 with a bit of 4-3 mixed in under certain situations.

Romeo knows the 3-4 and trust it more so than the 4-3. We will stay in a 3-4.

RustShack
04-26-2010, 12:15 PM
They were a 4-3 team their first Super Bowl. So I would assume Crennel also ran it the few years before that with them too.

PatriotReign
04-26-2010, 12:18 PM
Actually not true. He has coached both. In NE, they played both at different times. It will depend on the matchups in many cases. Towards the end of his run there, they were more predominantly a 3-4 team. But, in 2001, when he first got there, they ran a bunch of 4-3 stuff, and I think it was their primary defense.

3 - 4 has always been the base defense.

You run some 4 - 3 if some LBs are dinged up or the situation calls for it, but you always go back to the base scheme. KC is a 3 - 4 team.

Extra Point
04-26-2010, 12:19 PM
I just see us doing odd-numbered-fronts with D-linemen. Hali would just go after the ball if lined up outside.

philfree
04-26-2010, 12:20 PM
Tamba is fine; but we need another legitimate threat, IMHO.



They haven't been too aggressive really trying to sign those types of players though....IMO.

We did sign a FA NT and we've signed an UDFA NT so I think we're committed.
We did draft a 3-4 OLB in the 5th round too so.....


PhilFree:arrow:

bowener
04-26-2010, 01:37 PM
Old dogs can learn new tricks, its been proven. Of course what I mean by that is that Crennel is sticking with the 3-4, but will probably play around with it and make sure we have players for every kind of package, such as a 1-5-5 prowl (really fun in madden btw).

Count Zarth
04-26-2010, 01:38 PM
There is no fucking way we are moving away from the 3-4 while Pioli is GM.

Just forget it.

Mr. Kotter
04-26-2010, 01:41 PM
There is no ****ing way we are moving away from the 3-4 while Pioli is GM.

Just forget it.

I'm fine with that; I'm just hoping he's sand-bagging....or has an ace or two up his sleeve. The move seems more gradual that I expected....is all I'm saying, really.

But maybe a move like this deal with Henderson is the kind of thing they have been waiting for; if so, props to Pioli for exercising patience. Another LBer or two would be nice too.

RustShack
04-26-2010, 01:43 PM
There is no fucking way we are moving away from the 3-4 while Pioli is GM.

Just forget it.

Henderson wasting time visiting the Chiefs could say different.. since he recently said he would not play in a 3-4.

Dayze
04-26-2010, 01:51 PM
i hope we're committed to it since we drafted Jackson #3 overall.

Mr. Kotter
04-26-2010, 01:56 PM
i hope we're committed to it since we drafted Jackson #3 overall.

I know. The sad part is though, I wonder if he'd really be any worse in a 4-3. It's not as if he lit it up in our bastardized 3-4 that we played last year....

yeah, yeah, I know...."but it takes 3 years or more" to develop DLineman.

Guess we'll see. :shrug:

Mr. Laz
04-26-2010, 01:58 PM
Henderson wasting time visiting the Chiefs could say different.. since he recently said he would not play in a 3-4.link?

Dayze
04-26-2010, 02:08 PM
I know. The sad part is though, I wonder if he'd really be any worse in a 4-3. It's not as if he lit it up in our bastardized 3-4 that we played last year....

yeah, yeah, I know...."but it takes 3 years or more" to develop DLineman.

Guess we'll see. :shrug:


yep. sort of damned if we do, damned if we don't.

ChiefMojo
04-26-2010, 02:11 PM
Henderson at worst would make a excellent 3-4 DE much the same way the Ravens will be using Ngata at DE.

CoMoChief
04-26-2010, 02:13 PM
When has Zimmer ever been with a 3-4 team?

and I thought Gary Gibbs was a 43 guy as well

RustShack
04-26-2010, 02:14 PM
and I thought Gary Gibbs was a 43 guy as well

Hes a 3-4 guy that was forced to use the 4-3 with the Saints.

ForeverChiefs58
04-26-2010, 03:36 PM
I just want him on the team, hell, they could line him up at RT and he would do better than what we have. We should always want to replace bad players with better players

ForeverChiefs58
04-26-2010, 03:40 PM
we should switch to 4-3, the less linebackers we have to use the better!
Pick up Haynesworth and Henderson combine with Dorsey and our line is a strength instead of weakness.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-26-2010, 04:37 PM
We don't have the personnel to run either, to be perfectly honest.