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Mr. Arrowhead
05-05-2010, 08:05 AM
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Ranking the AFC West running backs
May, 4, 2010
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By Bill Williamson
Between now and the start of training camp, we will rank the players at each position in the AFC West. We started by looking at the quarterbacks last week.

Weíre now taking a look at the running backs. This is a good group. Not one of the eight players I have listed is a slouch. It was a very tight ranking, especially in the middle of the pack.

Here are my top running backs. Iím sure youíll be ready to give your thoughts in the comment section:

1. Jamaal Charles, Kansas City: I think this guy is the next great running back star in the NFL. If the Chiefs can keep Charles healthy, he will be dynamite. He is a game breaker and heís fun to watch. He ended the 2009 season with a 259-yard performance against Denver. I think that was a hint of big things to come from the player who is entering his third NFL season.

2. Thomas Jones, Kansas City: If the Chiefs are going to make big strides as a team in 2010, it will be because of their terrific 1-2 running back punch. Jones may be one of the best additions in the NFL this offseason. He will be 32 in August, but can still help in a big way. He was third in the NFL in rushing last season with 1,402 yards. He had 14 touchdowns. The guy can play.

3. Darren Sproles, San Diego: Sproles is a role player, but he is a spectacular role player. He can change games as a change-of-pace runner with his game-breaking ability. He is a dangerous receiver out of the backfield. When kept fresh, Sproles is a difference maker.

4. Michael Bush, Oakland: I really like this player. He is pounder that can wear defenses down. But he has to show his consistency. Perhaps this will be the season in which Bush breaks out for the 1,100- to 1,400-yard rushing season I think he is capable of achieving.

5. Knowshon Moreno, Denver: This is an interesting season for Moreno. He started well as a rookie last season, but slowed considerably as the season wore on. Denver has worked on getting a bigger offensive line and it is hoping that Moreno will be better prepared for the long haul. He is a talented player, but he needs to show he can stay consistent for an entire season and he needs to show more explosiveness than he did as the No. 12 overall pick last season.

6. Darren McFadden, Oakland: Iíd like to see McFadden earn himself a higher ranking next year. This is an important year for him as well. He just hasnít been very impressive in his first two NFL seasons. He has been hampered by injuries and he has been inconsistent. Still, I believe in this player. He is a speedster and he has great skills. He just has to put it all together. I think he can.

7. Ryan Mathews, San Diego: I was tempted to put Mathews at No.4 on this list and I won't be stunned at all if he is in the top two next year. But the kid has to prove himself in a solid running back division. If he can stay healthy, the No. 12 overall pick will be a standout for San Diego. He is perfect for the Chargersí offense and I think he will be a yards eater right away.

8. Correll Buckhalter, Denver: I was impressed with Buckhalter last season when he was healthy. But he dealt with injuries often. When he played, though, he was a big-play performer. Buckhalter, who will turn 32 during the season, averaged 5.4 yards per carry on 120 attempts last season. He is a nice second option.

Mr_Tomahawk
05-05-2010, 08:06 AM
I actually agree with Bill's rankings here.

What a difference from where we were this time last season...

Deberg_1990
05-05-2010, 08:06 AM
McFadden showed some nice stuff his rookie year.

If only he could stay healthy.....

Huffman83
05-05-2010, 08:07 AM
It's weird to see such positive things said about KC or Chiefs players. I just forgot what it looked like!

MoreLemonPledge
05-05-2010, 08:07 AM
WHERE'S MCCLUSTER

mcaj22
05-05-2010, 08:28 AM
I like 1 to 3 but after than holy shit is there a huge talent drop off at RB in the AFC West. This is has to be the worst division for QBs/RBs in the NFL.

pr_capone
05-05-2010, 08:31 AM
WHERE'S MCCLUSTER

My sarcasm meter is on the fritz right now.... McCluster is listed as a WR in the depth chart.

MoreLemonPledge
05-05-2010, 08:39 AM
My sarcasm meter is on the fritz right now.... McCluster is listed as a WR in the depth chart.

Yes, that was sarcasm.

CaliforniaChief
05-05-2010, 08:41 AM
Where's Tebow?/KnowMo

BigCatDaddy
05-05-2010, 08:46 AM
I think Buckhalter should be ahead of Moreno.

Hoover
05-05-2010, 08:48 AM
I know a lot of you are down on Matt Cassel, but if we have solid oline play we will run the $hit out of the ball. If we can establish the run, the passing game should open up more.

On the defensive side we have stockpiled a lot of talent over the years. Berry, Jackson, Dorsey, Hali, and D.J. are all first round picks. Have they all played to their abilities? No, but they do have talent. Which is why I think getting Romeo is a big deal. Its not like he doesn't have good players to work with.

We have holes at NT and LB, but there is no reason we can't have a middle of the pack or better defensive unit this year.

If we run the ball and play solid defense, this team should challenge for a playoff spot with our cupcake schedule.

rockymtnchief
05-05-2010, 08:50 AM
Where's Tebow?/KnowMo

I agree! Knowshon is the next LT. I read it in a Twitter! He's on track to be the best running back EVA!:grr:

boogblaster
05-05-2010, 08:56 AM
Our 1-2 punch at RB should help us this year ....

GoHuge
05-05-2010, 09:07 AM
Our 1-2 punch at RB should help us this year ....We had a 1-2 punch last year :p

philfree
05-05-2010, 09:09 AM
I know a lot of you are down on Matt Cassel, but if we have solid oline play we will run the $hit out of the ball. If we can establish the run, the passing game should open up more.

On the defensive side we have stockpiled a lot of talent over the years. Berry, Jackson, Dorsey, Hali, and D.J. are all first round picks. Have they all played to their abilities? No, but they do have talent. Which is why I think getting Romeo is a big deal. Its not like he doesn't have good players to work with.

We have holes at NT and LB, but there is no reason we can't have a middle of the pack or better defensive unit this year.

If we run the ball and play solid defense, this team should challenge for a playoff spot with our cupcake schedule.

This team has no talent and it will take at least five years to bring the talent in so we can compete for the playoffs/CP


PhilFree:arrow:

TheGuardian
05-05-2010, 09:19 AM
The Chiefs are really only three players away from contending from the playoffs. A rusher opposite of Hali, a good nose tackle, and a really good inside backer. I'm no Cassel fan after last season but I'm willing to give the guy another season. I think he will improve.

Gadzooks
05-05-2010, 09:19 AM
Ryan Mathews will probably have the best stats by the end of the year.

TheGuardian
05-05-2010, 09:21 AM
Ryan Mathews will probably have the best stats by the end of the year.

Homer much?

FD
05-05-2010, 09:27 AM
I think Tebow will ultimately make a very effective goal-line back for Denver. Maybe not this year, but a couple years down the road after this whole "playing QB in the NFL" thing has blown over.

Mile High Mania
05-05-2010, 09:31 AM
Homer much?

I don't think it's a crazy claim... Ryan is a hell of a player. Plus, weren't the Chiefs trying to trade Charles mid-season last year, just prior to him blowing up?

There are a lot of RBBC situations right now in the NFL, very few dominant 1 back focused offenses. These guys all have the same chance of being the best from the division.

Gadzooks
05-05-2010, 09:32 AM
Homer much?

Yes.
I'm not saying he's better but I think he'll get more carries than the rest of them.

TheGuardian
05-05-2010, 09:45 AM
I don't think it's a crazy claim... Ryan is a hell of a player. Plus, weren't the Chiefs trying to trade Charles mid-season last year, just prior to him blowing up?

There are a lot of RBBC situations right now in the NFL, very few dominant 1 back focused offenses. These guys all have the same chance of being the best from the division.

What happened before last season even started is irrelevant. Not sure how it even weighed into the discussion. The fact is, barring injury Charles will lead the AFC West in rushing. Probably by a wide margin.

beer bacon
05-05-2010, 09:48 AM
I don't think it's a crazy claim... Ryan is a hell of a player. Plus, weren't the Chiefs trying to trade Charles mid-season last year, just prior to him blowing up?

There are a lot of RBBC situations right now in the NFL, very few dominant 1 back focused offenses. These guys all have the same chance of being the best from the division.

You mean the last half of the season when Charles had about 1,000 yards rushing?

Mile High Mania
05-05-2010, 10:08 AM
What happened before last season even started is irrelevant. Not sure how it even weighed into the discussion. The fact is, barring injury Charles will lead the AFC West in rushing. Probably by a wide margin.

If Thomas Jones is healthy... I don't know what you're expecting with a "wide margin". Are you expecting Jones to be a bit player?

MoreLemonPledge
05-05-2010, 10:13 AM
If Thomas Jones is healthy... I don't know what you're expecting with a "wide margin". Are you expecting Jones to be a bit player?

If Charles averages 5.9 YPC this season like he did last year, he'll have almost 1,500 yds rushing on 250 attempts, not including receiving yards.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 250 carry Charles/150 carry Jones split.

Brock
05-05-2010, 10:15 AM
I'm going to have to see Charles do it over the long haul before I'll say he's the top dog.

Von Dumbass
05-05-2010, 10:15 AM
That is BS. Knowshon was 10th in the league in broken tackles and 2/3 of his yards came after first contact. Denver's interior line was atrocious last year, hopefully Clady and Harris get healthy soon and Walton and Beadles become solid starters from day one.

Mile High Mania
05-05-2010, 10:15 AM
You mean the last half the season when Charles had about 1,000 yards rushing?

There is a reason that KC jumped out early and signed Thomas Jones. The guy is a proven and consistent RB. Charles is good, but through 11 games he only had 462 yards rushing and 3 TDs.

Thanks to a great 4 game stretch against the Bills, Browns, Bengals and Broncos' defenses... he racked up three 100 and one 200+ yard games. Yes, he did very well, but is he an every down RB for 16 games? I dunno, but he did have one hell of a 21 day span when he put up 658 yards and 4 TDs.

Brock
05-05-2010, 10:16 AM
Knowshon's ranked too high if anything.

Von Dumbass
05-05-2010, 10:18 AM
Knowshon's ranked too high if anything.

You are full of it, Knowshon is the most complete back in the AFCW. He can catch, block, and has a great mixture of speed and power.

Mile High Mania
05-05-2010, 10:18 AM
If Charles averages 5.9 YPC this season like he did last year, he'll have almost 1,500 yds rushing on 250 attempts, not including receiving yards.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 250 carry Charles/150 carry Jones split.

Again, through 11 games he had 96 carries for 462 yards which isn't a bad average, but he was far from dominating. We'll see what he does this year, but with questions in the passing game, you have to expect a lot of Charles and Thomas Jones early and often.

Mile High Mania
05-05-2010, 10:22 AM
Knowshon's ranked too high if anything.

You are full of it, Knowshon is the most complete back in the AFCW. He can catch, block, and has a great mixture of speed and power.

I think you both should tap the brake a bit. Knowshon showed a lot of good things last year and I'd like to see more of him and less of a split in 2010. I think he has tremendous upside, but I wouldn't call him the most complete RB just yet.

If OAK can figure out things with their new QB, I hope to see McFadden do great things. Each of the AFCW teams has solid options at RB, and like it or not... I think you have to say that KC has the best 1-2 punch at this point. I do think Thomas Jones is going to play a huge role.

TJ is an older RB, so he's hitting that window, but damn - the guy has tremendous production the last 5 seasons - he's easily the best RB in the division when you look at production.

Detoxing
05-05-2010, 10:25 AM
You are full of it, Knowshon is the most complete back in the AFCW. He can catch, block, and has a great mixture of speed and power.

There it is! I was waiting for it. But honestly knowshit, I was expecting something more along the lines of "Moreno will run for over 2k this season" kinda quotes.

So yeah, you've let me down.

OnTheWarpath58
05-05-2010, 10:32 AM
I'm going to have to see Charles do it over the long haul before I'll say he's the top dog.

I agree. I hope the kid can replicate what he did last year, but let's face it, he had five 100 yard games against five run defenses ranked 26th and lower.

I'll be rooting for him, but want to see him succeed over a full season before crowning him.

Pasta Giant Meatball
05-05-2010, 10:32 AM
Again, through 11 games he had 96 carries for 462 yards which isn't a bad average, but he was far from dominating. We'll see what he does this year, but with questions in the passing game, you have to expect a lot of Charles and Thomas Jones early and often.

That was still 4.8 yards per carry behind a very suspect offensive line. He also averaged over 5 yards per carry as a rook. The guy was dynamic even behind a line that couldn't block for shit for anyone else.

Von Dumbass
05-05-2010, 10:34 AM
There it is! I was waiting for it. But honestly knowshit, I was expecting something more along the lines of "Moreno will run for over 2k this season" kinda quotes.

So yeah, you've let me down.

He could have had a Clinton Portis type rookie year if Shanahan was here using the ZBS last year. Knowshon is the most talented RB Denver has had in a long time.

Brock
05-05-2010, 10:34 AM
You are full of it, Knowshon is the most complete back in the AFCW. He can catch, block, and has a great mixture of speed and power.

Nobody's worried about Knowshon.

Detoxing
05-05-2010, 10:35 AM
I could have had a Clinton Portis type rookie year if Shanahan was here using the ZBS last year. Knowshon is the most talented RB Denver has had in a long time.

There it is, hahaha!

Good one. you should do stand up comedy.

Consistent1
05-05-2010, 10:37 AM
If the Chiefs want to get better as a team,I think it is important to realize that Charles most likely will not have monster numbers.There simply isn't any reason to not let Jones play a big role.Charles doesn't need to go all Chris Johnson this year.It would be stupid to beat the hell out of him for stats.Teams are going to have to fear the O quite a bit more now.The threat of Charles breaking big ones is certainly a big part of that.Will be fun to see how much they do improve.The backs are there to have success no doubt.
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beer bacon
05-05-2010, 10:50 AM
If Charles can keep his yards per carry up he doesn't need 350 touches to have a monster season.

Fritz88
05-05-2010, 11:02 AM
TJ over Sproles and Knowsho?

Sorry Bill, you suck hog balls

TheGuardian
05-05-2010, 11:04 AM
Again, through 11 games he had 96 carries for 462 yards which isn't a bad average, but he was far from dominating. We'll see what he does this year, but with questions in the passing game, you have to expect a lot of Charles and Thomas Jones early and often.

4.8 per carry isn't dominating????????? The league average is around 3.9.

I expect Charles to see at least 250 carries. But more like 275-300, even if he averages a very "no-dominating" 4.8 per carry average, he'll still be in the 1200-1450 yard range. Since Charles is more of a big play back, I'd expect it to be more in the 5.1-5.2 range, and if that happens, you're talking 1300-1600. Which seems likely.

So barring injury he should be well ahead of anyone else. Jones should see 150 carries as well. But make no mistake Charles will be the featured back.

Charles only question is injury. He's by FAR the most talented back in the AFC West in ANY facet.

Jethopper
05-05-2010, 11:07 AM
He could have had a Clinton Portis type rookie year if Shanahan was here using the ZBS last year. Knowshon is the most talented RB Denver has had in a long time.

Dude, stop it. Seriously. Knowshow wasn't as bad as most here say but jesus... You remind me of the people back in the day trying to defend (post leg injury) Donnell Bennett. A sluggish back with little lateral ability who for some reason is just god's gift to Jesus. All Knowshow proved last year was that he didn't warrant a first round pick. For Pete's sake, Correll Buckhalter was upstaging him. I can only assume you keep saying he was worth anything last year is too be annoying. If the tables were turned, I would be pissed that my first round RB produced the way he did.

Jethopper
05-05-2010, 11:09 AM
TJ over Sproles and Knowsho?

Sorry Bill, you suck hog balls

The guy rushed for 1400 yards. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?

TRR
05-05-2010, 11:09 AM
TJ over Sproles and Knowsho?

Sorry Bill, you suck hog balls

Thomas Jones is coming off a 1,400+ yard season. There is no way you can rate those two over Jones at this point.
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BigCatDaddy
05-05-2010, 11:10 AM
I think this is more like it.

1. Jamal Charles

2. Darren Sproles (Factoring in return abilities)

3. Thomas Jones

4. Correll Buckhalter

5. Ryan Matthews

6. Michael Bush

7. Knowshon Moreno

8. Darren McFadden

Jethopper
05-05-2010, 11:10 AM
Thomas Jones is coming off a 1,400+ yard season. There is no way you can rate those two over Jones at this point.
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Beat ya too it ;)

TheGuardian
05-05-2010, 11:12 AM
I think is more like it.

1. Jamal Charles

2. Darren Sproles (Factoring in return abilities)

3. Thomas Jones

4. Correll Buckhalter

5. Ryan Matthews

6. Michael Bush

7. Knowshon Moreno

8. Darren McFadden

This isn't about returners. Charles returned a kick off for a TD too. This is about who is best behind the quarterback. And Sproles is below Jones and Charles in that category.

BigCatDaddy
05-05-2010, 11:16 AM
This isn't about returners. Charles returned a kick off for a TD too. This is about who is best behind the quarterback. And Sproles is below Jones and Charles in that category.

I think it's who you would want on your team period if you had to pick, but let's throw that out then. Jones will 32 and running behind a much worse line then he did in New York. If I had my choice of who I wanted on my team this year Thomas Jones or Darren Sproles, I take Darren Sproles.

TheGuardian
05-05-2010, 11:19 AM
Sproles has never carried the load in his career. Nor can he. So you'd chose poorly.

BigCatDaddy
05-05-2010, 11:21 AM
Sproles has never carried the load in his career. Nor can he. So you'd chose poorly.

I'm choosing assuming Charles is still here, in case you haven't noticed most teams in the league today split carries between 2 or 3 backs.

BigCatDaddy
05-05-2010, 11:37 AM
Sproles has never carried the load in his career. Nor can he. So you'd chose poorly.

I think most CP'ers agree with you know, but I'll give a nice bump about week 8 and check again.

Mile High Mania
05-05-2010, 11:38 AM
4.8 per carry isn't dominating????????? The league average is around 3.9.

I expect Charles to see at least 250 carries. But more like 275-300, even if he averages a very "no-dominating" 4.8 per carry average, he'll still be in the 1200-1450 yard range. Since Charles is more of a big play back, I'd expect it to be more in the 5.1-5.2 range, and if that happens, you're talking 1300-1600. Which seems likely.

So barring injury he should be well ahead of anyone else. Jones should see 150 carries as well. But make no mistake Charles will be the featured back.

Charles only question is injury. He's by FAR the most talented back in the AFC West in ANY facet.

I didn't reference his YPC... I was pointing out that 462 yards and 1 TD through 11 games is not dominating. Charles didn't get many carries early on... games with 6 carries for 36 yards or 4 carries for 34 yards is nice, but it doesn't tell me he can do it over 16 games. And, again ... he was playing crappy defenses when he lit it up in December.

A team just doesn't sign Thomas Jones immediately if they don't plan on going to a split RB role. That says there is concern within management as to whether or not Charles can be 'the guy' for the long haul. It's one thing to do it against bad teams in December, it's another to do it consistently over 16 games. So, we'll see what happens.

Gadzooks
05-05-2010, 11:42 AM
Bronco Billy's article is flawed, (as usual). He doesn't explain the criteria for his rankings.
Is it potential stats for next season? Yds? TDs?
Is it overall talent? who knows?

HotRoute
05-05-2010, 11:52 AM
I remember when everybody thought since LJ couldn't run behind our line that nobody could. He was the main reason the line looked so bad. And to think Haley considered him to be part of the right 53. Sheeesh

allen_kcCard
05-05-2010, 12:01 PM
You are full of it, Knowshon is the most complete back in the AFCW. He can whip out his cock, and I'd suck it with a mixture of speed and power.

Fixed

TheGuardian
05-05-2010, 12:03 PM
I didn't reference his YPC... I was pointing out that 462 yards and 1 TD through 11 games is not dominating. Charles didn't get many carries early on... games with 6 carries for 36 yards or 4 carries for 34 yards is nice, but it doesn't tell me he can do it over 16 games. And, again ... he was playing crappy defenses when he lit it up in December.

A team just doesn't sign Thomas Jones immediately if they don't plan on going to a split RB role. That says there is concern within management as to whether or not Charles can be 'the guy' for the long haul. It's one thing to do it against bad teams in December, it's another to do it consistently over 16 games. So, we'll see what happens.

LJ couldn't gain yards against shitty defenses either. Charles is the real deal. I don't really care what defense he lined up against.

CupidStunt
05-05-2010, 12:32 PM
Knowshon and speed don't belong in the same sentence together. Guy plays like he runs a 4.8.

And I had to laugh at the hard-not-to-notice absence of certain posters in this thread. Predictable yet still amusing.

TheGuardian
05-05-2010, 01:00 PM
Knowshon and speed don't belong in the same sentence together. Guy plays like he runs a 4.8.

And I had to laugh at the hard-not-to-notice absence of certain posters in this thread. Predictable yet still amusing.

And whom might you be referring to?

-King-
05-05-2010, 11:20 PM
You are full of it, Knowshon is the most complete back in the AFCW. He can catch, block, and has a great mixture of speed and power.


Blocking huh?
http://i46.tinypic.com/2psm8et.gif

http://i48.tinypic.com/op5o37.gif



He needs to learn to be like JC
http://i48.tinypic.com/14v503.gif

KCrockaholic
05-05-2010, 11:23 PM
EL OH EL.

Was that Mike Fuckin Brown that just Pwned Knowshit? You've gotta be kidding me.

CHENZ A!
05-05-2010, 11:32 PM
I'm number 2.

http://i44.tinypic.com/n4e53d.jpg

KCrockaholic
05-05-2010, 11:34 PM
Please don't say #2 while posting that picture....


:Lin:

Miles
05-05-2010, 11:41 PM
McFadden showed some nice stuff his rookie year.

If only he could stay healthy.....

He is the real wild card in all of this discussion. He could be the most talented back in this division if he can manage to stay healthy. No Jamarcus can only help.

KCrockaholic
05-05-2010, 11:56 PM
McFadden has talent. But I think maybe he is kinda dumb... Like maybe Fatass rubbed off on him or something.

TheGuardian
05-06-2010, 05:44 AM
McFadden has ZERO talent. If you watched the guy you'd know that. He has no balance. One of the main complaints about him from Raider fans is that the guy falls down if the wind blows. That's because he doesn't have very good balance or vision. The two most important traits you can have besides instincts. And he's got none of those. He's also really skinny in the legs and hips and can't run with any power. The guy is a complete and total bust. He was faster than everyone else in college and he got by on that.

He's a bust all the way.

MichaelH
05-06-2010, 06:02 AM
I know a lot of you are down on Matt Cassel, but if we have solid oline play we will run the $hit out of the ball. If we can establish the run, the passing game should open up more.

On the defensive side we have stockpiled a lot of talent over the years. Berry, Jackson, Dorsey, Hali, and D.J. are all first round picks. Have they all played to their abilities? No, but they do have talent. Which is why I think getting Romeo is a big deal. Its not like he doesn't have good players to work with.

We have holes at NT and LB, but there is no reason we can't have a middle of the pack or better defensive unit this year.

If we run the ball and play solid defense, this team should challenge for a playoff spot with our cupcake schedule.

I've felt this way all along. I don't know if Cassel was worth that huge contract but he can and should be better than last year.

Rausch
05-06-2010, 06:18 AM
I don't care to have Charles prove himself or carry the load. I'd like to see him in about a 2/5ths of the time.

If we can keep our young speedsters fresh they'll be explosive with sick yards per catch/carry. Give McCluster 2 or 3 carries or catches out of the backfield a game. If we can keep old man Jones fresh for those short yardage situations and game/clock killing drives we could have a golden combination...

Fried Meat Ball!
05-06-2010, 06:23 AM
We had a 1-2 punch last year :p

I remember it being more of a slap-spit combo last year. Well, until we traded it to CIN.

LOCOChief
05-06-2010, 06:39 AM
This team has no talent and it will take at least five years to bring the talent in so we can compete for the playoffs/CP


PhilFree:arrow:

We will make the playoffs this year.

Rausch
05-06-2010, 06:43 AM
We will make the playoffs this year.

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