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Msmith
05-05-2010, 05:26 PM
NAIROBI (Reuters) – Somali pirates hijacked a Russian tanker carrying $52 million worth of crude oil and 23 crew on Wednesday, prompting Russia to send a warship to try to deal with the incident, officials said.

Pirates who hijacked the China-bound, Russian-owned MV Moscow University tanker 350 miles off the coast of Yemen warned against any rescue attempt, saying this would endanger the Russian crew.

"A Russian warship is moving toward the tanker," Russian defense ministry spokesman Alexei Kuznetsov said. The Chief of the Russian General Staff cut short a visit to NATO headquarters in Brussels to coordinate the military's response, he added.

The vessel had been traveling under a Liberian flag from Sudan to the Chinese port of Nigbo with 86,000 tonnes of oil owned by Chinese refiner Unipec, a Russian shipping source said. Maritime experts said the tanker had a deadweight of 106,474 tonnes.

"The crew members locked themselves in the radar room. This ship has been hijacked," Commander Rear Admiral Jan Thornqvist of the European Union's Navfor naval force told reporters in the Kenyan port of Mombasa.

Somali sea bandits continue to outwit an international fleet of warships in the busy shipping lane linking Europe with Asia, raking in tens of millions of dollars in ransoms.

One pirate who identified himself as Abdi said the tanker was heading to a pirate haven on the coast of central Somalia.

"Any attempt to rescue the ship will certainly endanger the crew. The ship will be docked at Garacad," Abdi told Reuters by telephone, adding it was too early to talk about a ransom.

NO ATTACK PLANNED

Russia's permanent representative to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, said the warship would not attack the tanker as the safety of the crew was the top priority, Interfax news agency reported.

The ship will reach the tanker at around 2100 GMT, he said.

Some oil tankers are sailing around southern Africa and further east into the Indian Ocean away from Somalia's coastline to avoid the Gulf of Aden and pirates who are striking deeper out at sea, shipping experts say.

But many are running the gauntlet through the busy Gulf of Aden shipping lane, where warships operate convoys and have set up transit corridors. The tanker had not registered with the Maritime Security Center Horn of Africa, EU NAVFOR said.

The use of mother ships has enabled Somali pirates to strike as far as the Mozambique Channel and off India's coast in recent months, launching smaller boats known as skiffs against ships.

About 7 percent of world oil consumption passes through the Gulf of Aden.

Last weekend, Somali insurgent group Hizbul Islam seized the pirate haven of Haradheere and pledged to take control of more towns in the region, the rebel group said.

So, would the Russians flex the muscle or meow like a pussycat?

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100505/ts_nm/us_somalia_piracy_russia)

Reerun_KC
05-05-2010, 05:29 PM
Why do countries let these guys bully them around...

Start carrying troops on the ships for a bit and freaking waste those clowns...

ChiefaRoo
05-05-2010, 05:39 PM
Why do countries let these guys bully them around...

Start carrying troops on the ships for a bit and freaking waste those clowns...

You're right Gheyhawk.


By the way when the Big12 dissolves you guys can join the Valley but only if you can prove you can beat Bradley and UNI. You wouldn't want to get embarrassed.

Msmith
05-05-2010, 05:42 PM
It is well known where all these hi-jacked tankers being kept. The Russians had been known to be ruthless toward hi-jackers and very much disregarded the victims' lives in the past.

vailpass
05-05-2010, 05:43 PM
One of these days some country is going to rearrange the coastline of Somalia and when they do I'm going to laugh.

Gadzooks
05-05-2010, 05:43 PM
Wow. That's Balls:eek:

Frazod
05-05-2010, 05:49 PM
A simple weapons locker with a few machine guns would do the trick. It's not like you need 16 inch guns to fight off a bunch of bony douchebags in a speedboat.

Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous. :shake:

NewChief
05-05-2010, 06:02 PM
The Somali are about to get introduce to the Spetsnaz.

Reerun_KC
05-05-2010, 06:04 PM
One of these days some country is going to rearrange the coastline of Somalia and when they do I'm going to laugh.

That made me laugh...

Its coming.. Someone is going to get sick and tired of this shit and unleash the phury....

Ugly Duck
05-05-2010, 06:04 PM
A simple weapons locker with a few machine guns would do the trick. It's not like you need 16 inch guns to fight off a bunch of bony douchebags in a speedboat.

They're starting to catch on... the first "fight back" by hired guns happened in march:

(AP) Private security guards shot and killed a Somali pirate during an attack on a merchant ship off the coast of East Africa in what is believed to be the first such killing by armed contractors, the EU Naval Force spokesman said Wednesday.

The death comes amid fears that increasingly aggressive pirates and the growing use of armed private security contractors on board vessels could fuel increased violence on the high seas.

Crews are becoming increasingly adept at repelling attacks by pirates in the dangerous waters of the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Aden. But pirates are becoming more aggressive in response, shooting bullets and rocket-propelled grenades at ships to try to intimidate captains into stopping.

Several organizations, including the International Maritime Bureau, have expressed fears that the use of armed security contractors could encourage pirates to be more violent when taking a ship. Sailors have been hurt or killed before but this generally happens by accident or through poor health. There has only been one known execution of a hostage despite dozens of pirate hijackings.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/24/world/main6328247.shtml

Reerun_KC
05-05-2010, 06:04 PM
A simple weapons locker with a few machine guns would do the trick. It's not like you need 16 inch guns to fight off a bunch of bony douchebags in a speedboat.

Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous. :shake:

Its about time someone steps us and corrects the problem....

Reerun_KC
05-05-2010, 06:05 PM
You're right Gheyhawk.


By the way when the Big12 dissolves you guys can join the Valley but only if you can prove you can beat Bradley and UNI. You wouldn't want to get embarrassed.

:facepalm:

WTF are you talking about?

ChiefaRoo
05-05-2010, 06:08 PM
:facepalm:

WTF are you talking about?

Liked that one didn't ya'? Out of left field. Stinger. :)

Fritz88
05-05-2010, 06:08 PM
:facepalm:

WTF are you talking about?

Please notify me when you know WTF he's talking about.

Fish
05-05-2010, 06:08 PM
These pirates are the perfect target for just about any country's weapons program. No one on Earth would feel sorry for these dipshits if some country went on a rampage and just annihilated them all.

WTF indeed....

ChiefaRoo
05-05-2010, 06:09 PM
:facepalm:

WTF are you talking about?

I'm a little drunk.

DJ's left nut
05-05-2010, 06:10 PM
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Fritz88
05-05-2010, 06:11 PM
I have read an article somewhere that these Pirates are like Robin Hoods. They steal the money and share it with tribes and the people of their villages. I have also read that there's some serious nuclear waste being dumped there so it's their way of retaliation. Regardless of all of that, it's poor people who want to eat, I don't think any kind of punishment would really deter them. The entire country has been fucked for the past 14 years.

Fritz88
05-05-2010, 06:11 PM
These pirates are the perfect target for just about any country's weapons program. No one on Earth would feel sorry for these dipshits if some country went on a rampage and just annihilated them all.

WTF indeed....

ROFL ROFL

NewChief
05-05-2010, 06:14 PM
I posted this in DC last time we had a somali pirate thread because I thought it was fascinating.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103657301
Piracy off the coast of Somalia has become an international problem and an international business. Navy SEALS rescued an American merchant captain earlier this month after Somali pirates raided the Maersk Alabama as it was making its way around the Horn of Africa to deliver aid.

But the issues of criminality and the potential for violence aside, a closer look at the "business model" of piracy reveals that the plan makes economic sense.

A piracy operation begins, as with any other start-up business, with venture capital.

J. Peter Pham at James Madison University says piracy financiers are usually ethnic Somali businessmen who live outside the country and who typically call a relative in Somalia and suggest they launch a piracy business. The investor will offer $250,000 or more in seed money, while the relative goes shopping.

"You'll need some speedboats; you'll need some weapons; you also need some intelligence because you can't troll the Indian Ocean, a million square miles, looking for merchant vessels," says Pham, adding that the pirates also need food for the voyage "a caterer."

Yes, a caterer.

"Think of it as everything you would need to go into the cruise ship business," Pham says. "Everything that you would need to run a cruise ship line, short of the entertainment, you need to run a piracy operation."

Staffing Is Not A Problem

And like a cruise ship line, a piracy operation needs a crew. Somalia is an impoverished and largely lawless country with high unemployment. As a result, there is a huge work force looking for jobs.

Once the supplies and employees are ready, the piracy start-up is ready to launch.

But, Pham cautions, the pirates must choose their target carefully.

"Does it have any value? Who is the crew? Do they have any security onboard? Who owns the ship? All of those things have to be factored. This is a business decision, to seize a ship. Westerners command a lot more money than poor Filipinos, whose country and families don't have the money to ransom them," Pham says.

"A European is going to fetch you a lot more than a Filipino. No one is going to ransom an African. I'm being brutally frank, but it's true," he says.

Finding The Right 'Customer'

If the pirates have made "good" business decisions, they will soon successfully seize a ship and have "customers" such as Per Gullestrup, CEO of the Clipper Group, a Danish shipping company. One of the company's ships, with its crew of 13, was hijacked last November in the Gulf of Aden.

When it happened, Gullestrup called the company's insurer, who wanted Gullestrup to pay a ransom and get the ship back otherwise, the insurer would be stuck with covering a $15 million ship. Gullestrup's company could have tried to take the ship back by force, but that is usually when hostages get killed.

So the insurer put Gullestrup in touch with a professional ransom negotiator.

After three days, the pirates called.

"They introduced themselves, you know, 'My name is Ali; I'm your friendly pirate today' not quite, but you almost got that sense. They're not making threats or anything. They're very polite in their whole demeanor," Gullestrup says.

They just politely demanded $7 million.

Just as Gullestrup had hired a professional negotiator, the pirates hired one, too usually someone who speaks English well, often a lawyer. In this instance the pirates' negotiator "Ali" had spent 29 years in the U.S.

Let's Make A Deal

Ali gets a commission out of the ransom, so he has an incentive to drive up the price. Gullestrup laughed at the initial demand for $7 million, calling it "a fantasy number."

He says he never considered paying that amount, because it was "way, way, way above the market and way, way above what we knew was being paid for other ships and for similar hijackings."

So the pirates started high, Gullestrup started low, and the haggling began.

For a couple of weeks, the two sides went back and forth, simply restating their positions. Eventually, Gullestrup recalls, "We decided to say to them, 'OK, then there's nothing else to talk about, and we won't call you anymore, and you can call us when you are ready to reduce your demands.' "

Gullestrup says he wasn't worried about the safety of his crew because Somali pirates rarely threaten or kill hostages. The moment crew members get hurt or killed, the pirates lose their most important bargaining chip.

The pirates did eventually blink: But their demand was still much higher than the market rate, so Gullestrup and Ali did some more haggling and finally agreed on a ransom payment somewhere between $1 million and $2 million (Gullestrup wouldn't give an exact figure).

Faxing Over The Details

The agreement was ironed out, and then Gullestrup literally faxed over the details to the ship. The money was loaded into duffel bags that were put into a watertight container, which was then flown over the hijacked ship and dropped into the water.

"They had a little boat, and they went over, picked up the container and brought it aboard the ship," Gullestrup recalls.

This, of course, is where the pirates settle up. Gullestrup says all the pirates who worked the hijacking showed up for payday. As a result, there were about 30 pirates onboard the vessel.

First, expenses such as food were paid. Then, the pirates paid themselves. Those who took a lot of risk got paid more.

Checking The Time Sheets On Payday

Gullestrup says they actually found time sheets onboard the ship after the pirates had left.

"We could see that there was a time sheet on a particular person who had been onboard and dates they had been onboard and so many dollars per day, and then a total sum on the time sheet," he says. The pirates, in effect, were clocking in and out.

From this and other ransom situations, here's a typical accounting for a piracy operation: About 20 percent goes to pay off officials who look the other way. About 50 percent is for expenses and payroll. The leader of an attack makes $10,000 to $20,000 (the average Somali family lives on $500 a year). The initial investor who put in $250,000 of seed capital gets 30 percent, sometimes up to $500,000.

Gullestrup's ship and crew were returned safely, although the pirates didn't actually want to get off the ship right away. That's because they were afraid of getting robbed by other pirates on their way back to shore, Gullestrup says, so he gave them a ride north, dropping them closer to home.

Fortunately, he says, he was going that way anyway.

Ugly Duck
05-05-2010, 06:15 PM
Interesting snippet: "one of the biggest problems with carrying weapons is that ships may often be outgunned. Pirates tend to use long-range assault rifles capable of firing up to 600 rounds a minute, he said, whereas sailors or guards carrying weapons must satisfy the laws of both the ship's flag carrier and the nations where the vessel will dock. Many countries will only allow shotguns - traditionally used for bird control - with a much shorter range than the pirates' weapons.

"Essentially in that situation you're getting into a sword fight armed with a dagger," Brooks said.

http://www.katu.com/home/related/42761347.html

CHIEF4EVER
05-05-2010, 06:21 PM
A simple weapons locker with a few machine guns would do the trick. It's not like you need 16 inch guns to fight off a bunch of bony douchebags in a speedboat.

Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous. :shake:

Hell a couple of MK 19s or 50 cals would be more than enough.

Bwana
05-05-2010, 06:21 PM
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Fish
05-05-2010, 06:24 PM
http://img.hobowars.com/fn_photos/l_16366_1a1usnavy.jpg

:thumb: Awesome.

Chiefs Rool
05-05-2010, 06:30 PM
You're right Gheyhawk.


By the way when the Big12 dissolves you guys can join the Valley but only if you can prove you can beat Bradley and UNI. You wouldn't want to get embarrassed.

lol, them gayhawks sure did great in that tourney..haha

Gonzo
05-05-2010, 06:30 PM
In Soviet Russia, tanker hijacks you!
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Gonzo
05-05-2010, 06:31 PM
lol, them gayhawks sure did great in that tourney..haha

Fuck, there's two of em?
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Chiefs Rool
05-05-2010, 06:39 PM
****, there's two of em?
Posted via Mobile Device

oh I guess my name is kinda like his. The only thing I could think of when I signed up was Chiefs Rule and I spelled it wrong on purpose.

Saul Good
05-05-2010, 07:44 PM
I don't like the pirates, but I don't blame them.

Iowanian
05-05-2010, 07:47 PM
These Somali dumbasses must have been wearing their bad-idea loin cloths that day.


Somalia would be better redecorated with fire.

Reerun_KC
05-05-2010, 07:54 PM
These Somali dumbasses must have been wearing their bad-idea loin cloths that day.


Somalia would be better redecorated with fire.

ROFL


It wouldnt take much or many Navy vessels in that area to protect the ships...

RippedmyFlesh
05-05-2010, 08:20 PM
Use somalia as a place to test new weapon systems.
Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

beer bacon
05-05-2010, 08:21 PM
Why do countries let these guys bully them around...

Start carrying troops on the ships for a bit and freaking waste those clowns...

These are commercial vessels getting hijacked, and the people calling the shots are just looking to make a profit. Most of the time they figure it is much cheaper to just pay a ransom then to risk the ship and its cargo being destroyed, or the the crew being killed.

boogblaster
05-05-2010, 08:29 PM
Does the name Blackwater ring a bell ...

pr_capone
05-06-2010, 11:16 AM
Well.... so much for those fearsome Somali pirates.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050600674.html?hpid=moreheadlines


Russian special forces storm oil tanker, free ship

By KATHARINE HOURELD
The Associated Press
Thursday, May 6, 2010; 10:29 AM

ABOARD THE SWEDISH WARSHIP CARLSKRONA -- Russian special forces rappelled onto a disabled oil tanker taken over by Somali pirates and freed 23 Russian sailors early Thursday, the commander of the EU Naval Force said. Ten pirates were arrested and one was killed.

The raid on the Liberian-flagged ship Moscow University came 24 hours after pirates had taken the ship over and the crew locked itself in a safe room. The vessel is carrying 86,000 tons of crude oil worth about $50 million.

The special forces had been aboard the Russian anti-submarine destroyer Marshal Shaposhnikov, which rushed to the scene after Wednesday's seajacking. A helicopter was dispatched to investigate and was fired on by the pirates, EU Naval Force said. The Russian warship returned fire on the pirates, it said.

Special forces troops on the helicopter rappelled down to the Moscow University, Rear Adm. Jan Thornqvist, force commander of the EU Naval Force, told an Associated Press reporter aboard the warship Carlskrona, which on Thursday was 500 miles (800 kilometers) west of Thursday's rescue and was sailing toward Somali waters.

Ten pirates were detained and one pirate was killed, the Russian state news agency ITAR-Tass cited Vladimir Markin as saying. Markin is the spokesman for Russia's Investigative Committee. There are wounded pirates, he said without giving details.

Russian officials were preparing for the pirates to be delivered to Moscow to face criminal charges, Markin said.

The crew of the Moscow University had previously told officials they believed the pirates were trying to enter the engine room, Thornqvist said. The ship had been disabled and was not moving. Safe rooms, where crews seek shelter, are typically stocked with food, water and communications equipment and have reinforced doors that can only be opened from the inside.

The ship's owner, Novoship, said the decision to free the ship was made knowing "that the crew was under safe cover inaccessible to the pirates and that the lives and health of the sailors was not threatened by anything."

Cmdr. John Harbour, a spokesman for the EU Naval Force, called the rescue "an excellent operation all around." He said the EU Naval Force had been working at a tactical level with the Russians, and that EU Naval Force personnel talked to the Russian crew by VHF radio. He said the EU had offered support to the Russians.

The attack occurred about 500 miles (800 kilometers) east of the Somali coast as the Moscow University sailed from the Red Sea to China, the ship's owner said. Novoship is a subsidiary of Sovcomflot, which is owned by the Russian government.

The military intervention follows a trend. International military forces have been more aggressively combating piracy. EU Naval Force ships are disrupting pirate groups and destroying their ships at a much higher rate than in previous years. U.S. warships have fired back on pirates and destroyed their boats in several skirmishes in the last several weeks.

In February, Danish special forces prevented the hijacking of a ship after pirates had boarded it. Special forces from the Danish Absalon boarded the Ariella while the crew locked themselves in a secure room.

Still, pirates are holding more than 300 hostages taken from ships off East Africa in the last several months.

On Wednesday, a French prosecutor said a French rescuer was responsible for killing the skipper of a sailboat hijacked by Somali pirates during a rescue operation.

Chief prosecutor Hever Pavy in the western French city of Rennes said investigators found a French military bullet had killed Florent Lemacon in April 2009 when a special intervention team came to rescue his yacht, the Tanit, off the Somali coast.

Four other hostages were saved after a week on the hijacked ship. Three suspected pirates who survived the rescue operation are on trial in France.

Bacon Cheeseburger
05-06-2010, 11:26 AM
Ha ha, awesome. The 'safe room' is a great idea. One would think the pirates would've bailed from the ship once they figured out they wouldn't be going anywhere with it. Dumbasses.

Pants
05-06-2010, 11:27 AM
LMAO

Dear pirates,

GG GLHF

CoMoChief
05-06-2010, 11:30 AM
You're right Gheyhawk.


By the way when the Big12 dissolves you guys can join the Valley but only if you can prove you can beat Bradley and UNI. You wouldn't want to get embarrassed.

FAIL. Wrong thread dumbass.

vailpass
05-06-2010, 11:34 AM
On Wednesday, a French prosecutor said a French rescuer was responsible for killing the skipper of a sailboat hijacked by Somali pirates during a rescue operation.

Chief prosecutor Hever Pavy in the western French city of Rennes said investigators found a French military bullet had killed Florent Lemacon in April 2009 when a special intervention team came to rescue his yacht, the Tanit, off the Somali coast.


USA: succesfully liberates hijacked 100,000 ton cargo ship while killing or capturing all pirates
Russia: succesfully liberates 84,000 ton hijacked oil super tanker while killing 1 and captruing 10 pirates
France: puts a bullet in the head of the captain of the 10 ton sailboat they are supposed to be rescuing

DJ's left nut
05-06-2010, 11:47 AM
On Wednesday, a French prosecutor said a French rescuer was responsible for killing the skipper of a sailboat hijacked by Somali pirates during a rescue operation.

Chief prosecutor Hever Pavy in the western French city of Rennes said investigators found a French military bullet had killed Florent Lemacon in April 2009 when a special intervention team came to rescue his yacht, the Tanit, off the Somali coast.


USA: succesfully liberates hijacked 100,000 ton cargo ship while killing or capturing all pirates
Russia: succesfully liberates 84,000 ton hijacked oil super tanker while killing 1 and captruing 10 pirates
France: puts a bullet in the head of the captain of the 10 ton sailboat they are supposed to be rescuing

True, but at least the french managed to off a couple of the pirates as well (and captured 3 more).

The kicker? The skipper (and his wife/kid) took off towards the area to escape a 'consumer and routine' society.

So the lesson? If you go all French-hippy and go sailing into freakin' pirate infested waters, you just might get shot in the head.

vailpass
05-06-2010, 11:48 AM
True, but at least the french managed to off a couple of the pirates as well (and captured 3 more).

The kicker? The skipper (and his wife/kid) took off towards the area to escape a 'consumer and routine' society.

So the lesson? If you go all French-hippy and go sailing into freakin' pirate infested waters, you just might get shot in the head.

ROFL

GoHuge
05-06-2010, 12:20 PM
This is why I love America. Capture one of our ships..........the crew takes it upon themselves and stabs and takes one of those skinny bastards hostage. They take the captain hostage which was a really dumb idea. A few days later Navy SEALs HALO jump at night to "deal" with these fuckers. We run them out of fuel and when it was time 3 simultaneous shots..........three dead pirates. Sent a very strong message we are not to be trifled with. I was so proud of they way it was handled. Highjack an American flagged ship=murder, death, kill.

Amnorix
05-06-2010, 12:50 PM
ROFL


It wouldnt take much or many Navy vessels in that area to protect the ships...

The Somalian coast is very long, and it's a big ocean.

Amnorix
05-06-2010, 12:55 PM
It's really pretty unfortunate that any pirates are captured. In this case, it would be better if 18th century justice could prevail.

DJ's left nut
05-06-2010, 01:02 PM
It's really pretty unfortunate that any pirates are captured. In this case, it would be better if 18th century justice could prevail.

I agree.

Life in prison in the states is a hell of a lot better than the 4 or 5 more years they'd have had in Somalia before they starved or died of disease. Imprisoning those guys is a step up, not a deterrance.

If I were Somalian, I'm pretty sure I'd just hijack some random US ship, kill the first guy I saw on it, then turn myself in.

Sofa King
05-06-2010, 01:04 PM
They're starting to catch on... the first "fight back" by hired guns happened in march:

(AP) Private security guards shot and killed a Somali pirate during an attack on a merchant ship off the coast of East Africa in what is believed to be the first such killing by armed contractors, the EU Naval Force spokesman said Wednesday.

The death comes amid fears that increasingly aggressive pirates and the growing use of armed private security contractors on board vessels could fuel increased violence on the high seas.

Crews are becoming increasingly adept at repelling attacks by pirates in the dangerous waters of the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Aden. But pirates are becoming more aggressive in response, shooting bullets and rocket-propelled grenades at ships to try to intimidate captains into stopping.

Several organizations, including the International Maritime Bureau, have expressed fears that the use of armed security contractors could encourage pirates to be more violent when taking a ship. Sailors have been hurt or killed before but this generally happens by accident or through poor health. There has only been one known execution of a hostage despite dozens of pirate hijackings.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/24/world/main6328247.shtml

Moral of their story... don't carry guns to defend yourself or you might get hurt. you should just give up the ship and put yourself willingly into the hands of PIRATES...

How they dont just sink those little puddle jumper boats is beyond me...

start sinking/killing them, and they will stop coming...

Pants
05-06-2010, 01:07 PM
Moral of their story... don't carry guns to defend yourself or you might get hurt. you should just give up the ship and put yourself willingly into the hands of PIRATES...

How they dont just sink those little puddle jumper boats is beyond me...

start sinking/killing them, and they will stop coming...

International laws do not allow big guns on decks of freighters, the biggest you can go is a shotgun (for bird control). So countries would have to change their port laws in order for your suggestion to even be considered. The pirates carry RPGs, BTW.

pr_capone
05-06-2010, 01:10 PM
International laws do not allow big guns on decks of freighters, the biggest you can go is a shotgun (for bird control). So countries would have to change their port laws in order for your suggestion to even be considered. The pirates carry RPGs, BTW.

maritime laws still allow for harpoons... just saying

DJ's left nut
05-06-2010, 01:10 PM
Moral of their story... don't carry guns to defend yourself or you might get hurt. you should just give up the ship and put yourself willingly into the hands of PIRATES...

How they dont just sink those little puddle jumper boats is beyond me...

start sinking/killing them, and they will stop coming...

Probably not. Again - it's Somalia, most of these guys are going to be dead within 5 years anyway. If they're lucky, they end up in a Western prison. If they're not, they die of a gunshot wound a few months before dysentary would have done it.

I was kinda hoping they'd do something to piss the Russians off. Those crazy bastards would've gone into the villages housing them, dismembered their family members and mailed them the pieces back one at a time. Then after all the pieces got there, they'd have burned the village to the ground on general principle.

Ultimately I'm not so sure there's much that can be done to dissuade them from attacking. If you're a pleasure boat, don't go anywhere near it. If you're a commercial vessel, best be ready to defend yourself.

The Poz
05-06-2010, 01:35 PM
Considering you're carrying $52 mil in product. Protect that sh!t!

Sofa King
05-06-2010, 01:44 PM
International laws do not allow big guns on decks of freighters, the biggest you can go is a shotgun (for bird control). So countries would have to change their port laws in order for your suggestion to even be considered. The pirates carry RPGs, BTW.

it's Russia.... the last thing they're seriously concerned about is laws... If they sank a ship, noone would miss that ship as long as the russians kept their mouths shut..

Hog Farmer
05-06-2010, 01:55 PM
Russian Special Forces Storm Oil Tanker From Helicopter, Free Crew and Arrest Somali Pirates

Associated Press
ABOARD THE SWEDISH WARSHIP CARLSKRONA

Russian special forces rappelled onto a disabled oil tanker taken over by Somali pirates and freed 23 Russian sailors early Thursday, the commander o...


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ABOARD THE SWEDISH WARSHIP CARLSKRONA — Russian special forces rappelled onto a disabled oil tanker taken over by Somali pirates and freed 23 Russian sailors early Thursday, the commander of the EU Naval Force said. Ten pirates were arrested and one was killed.

The raid on the Liberian-flagged ship Moscow University came 24 hours after pirates had taken the ship over and the crew locked itself in a safe room. The vessel is carrying 86,000 tons of crude oil worth about $50 million.

The special forces had been aboard the Russian anti-submarine destroyer Marshal Shaposhnikov, which rushed to the scene after Wednesday's seajacking. A helicopter was dispatched to investigate and was fired on by the pirates, EU Naval Force said. The Russian warship returned fire on the pirates, it said.

Special forces troops on the helicopter rappelled down to the Moscow University, Rear Adm. Jan Thornqvist, force commander of the EU Naval Force, told an Associated Press reporter aboard the warship Carlskrona, which on Thursday was 500 miles (800 kilometers) west of Thursday's rescue and was sailing toward Somali waters.

Ten pirates were detained and one pirate was killed, the Russian state news agency ITAR-Tass cited Vladimir Markin as saying. Markin is the spokesman for Russia's Investigative Committee. There are wounded pirates, he said without giving details.

Russian officials were preparing for the pirates to be delivered to Moscow to face criminal charges, Markin said.

The crew of the Moscow University had previously told officials they believed the pirates were trying to enter the engine room, Thornqvist said. The ship had been disabled and was not moving. Safe rooms, where crews seek shelter, are typically stocked with food, water and communications equipment and have reinforced doors that can only be opened from the inside.

The ship's owner, Novoship, said the decision to free the ship was made knowing "that the crew was under safe cover inaccessible to the pirates and that the lives and health of the sailors was not threatened by anything."

Cmdr. John Harbour, a spokesman for the EU Naval Force, called the rescue "an excellent operation all around." He said the EU Naval Force had been working at a tactical level with the Russians, and that EU Naval Force personnel talked to the Russian crew by VHF radio. He said the EU had offered support to the Russians.

The attack occurred about 500 miles (800 kilometers) east of the Somali coast as the Moscow University sailed from the Red Sea to China, the ship's owner said. Novoship is a subsidiary of Sovcomflot, which is owned by the Russian government.

The military intervention follows a trend. International military forces have been more aggressively combating piracy. EU Naval Force ships are disrupting pirate groups and destroying their ships at a much higher rate than in previous years. U.S. warships have fired back on pirates and destroyed their boats in several skirmishes in the last several weeks.

In February, Danish special forces prevented the hijacking of a ship after pirates had boarded it. Special forces from the Danish Absalon boarded the Ariella while the crew locked themselves in a secure room.

Still, pirates are holding more than 300 hostages taken from ships off East Africa in the last several months.

On Wednesday, a French prosecutor said a French rescuer was responsible for killing the skipper of a sailboat hijacked by Somali pirates during a rescue operation.

Chief prosecutor Hever Pavy in the western French city of Rennes said investigators found a French military bullet had killed Florent Lemacon in April 2009 when a special intervention team came to rescue his yacht, the Tanit, off the Somali coast.

Four other hostages were saved after a week on the hijacked ship. Three suspected pirates who survived the rescue operation are on trial in France.

DJ's left nut
05-06-2010, 02:03 PM
When the Russians hang those pirates by their dicks and let them slowly starve, that may convince the Somalians to stop dicking around with Russian tankers.

I'm telling you, cruel and unusual is the only thing that's going to have an impact on folks that live in a cesspool like Somalia.

Note: This is equally applicable to New Jersey and could be used to stop the spread of guido douchebags.

pr_capone
05-06-2010, 02:16 PM
news article

Riposte!

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6741240&postcount=35

Detoxing
05-06-2010, 02:17 PM
When the Russians hang those pirates by their dicks and let them slowly starve, that may convince the Somalians to stop dicking around with Russian tankers.

I'm telling you, cruel and unusual is the only thing that's going to have an impact on folks that live in a cesspool like Somalia.

Note: This is equally applicable to New Jersey and could be used to stop the spread of guido douchebags.

Death by dick asphyxiation?

Nixhex
05-06-2010, 02:17 PM
I have read an article somewhere that these Pirates are like Robin Hoods. They steal the money and share it with tribes and the people of their villages. I have also read that there's some serious nuclear waste being dumped there so it's their way of retaliation. Regardless of all of that, it's poor people who want to eat, I don't think any kind of punishment would really deter them. The entire country has been fucked for the past 14 years.


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Pants
05-06-2010, 03:18 PM
it's Russia.... the last thing they're seriously concerned about is laws... If they sank a ship, noone would miss that ship as long as the russians kept their mouths shut..

I think the issue there is that you can't dock a ship with assault rifles and RPGs on board. Or do you want civilian tankers and freighters to be equipped with military grade (obviously) ship-sinking weapons all to be operated by civilians? I think people's hands are simply tied on this, not sure what can be done unless international laws are changed.