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'Hamas' Jenkins
05-07-2010, 07:28 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5172060

The Houston Texans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou)' defense took a major blow Friday when defensive rookie of the year Brian Cushing (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12453) learned he is being suspended four games for violating the NFL's policy on performance-enhancing substances.
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<!--END INLINE MUG-->Cushing appealed the league's decision at a hearing at the NFL scouting combine in February but was informed Friday his appeal had been rejected, according to sources.
Cushing will be allowed to participate in training camp with the Texans this summer, but then will serve his four game suspension to start the 2010 regular season.


Texans general manager Rick Smith says the team is "disappointed" to learn of the suspension.


Cushing's attorney, Harvey Steinberg, did not return telephone calls seeking comment.



The Texans defense will suffer without Cushing, especially considering that its first game of the season is against the defending AFC South champion Indianapolis Colts (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ind). Cushing will also miss games against the Washington Redskins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was), Dallas Cowboys (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=dal) and Oakland Raiders (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=oak).


Cushing, who was voted to the Pro Bowl, had 133 tackles, helped lead the Texans to a 9-7 record, their first winning season in franchise history. Cushing finished the season with five sacks, four interceptions and two forced fumbles.


Adam Schefter is an NFL Insider for ESPN.com.

-King-
05-07-2010, 07:31 PM
I guess he didn't learn anything from that first suspension...
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Pablo
05-07-2010, 07:36 PM
When you go from Bitch Tits to Beast Mode; there just might be something in the water.

Mr. Laz
05-07-2010, 07:37 PM
wow ... suspended twice for a total of 8 games.

dude must be a super-roider

DaneMcCloud
05-07-2010, 07:38 PM
I had mentioned this during the year leading up to the draft. He was a second round prospect but some team would fall in love with his body and take him in the first.

Granted, he was certainly worth #15 over but I wonder how well he'll play after the suspension.

Bane
05-07-2010, 07:39 PM
Damn!Goodell got him 2 times this year already!!! BADASS!!!!ROFL

Pablo
05-07-2010, 07:40 PM
Cushing's a doper.

Maualuga's a drunk driving statutory rapist.

And to think, we could have drafted these guys.

USC. USC. USC. USC.

Buck
05-07-2010, 07:41 PM
Thats just how we do in So Cal guys.

LaChapelle
05-07-2010, 07:41 PM
THey've got Benard Pollard
they'll be fine/3..2..1

boogblaster
05-07-2010, 07:44 PM
Where's the masking companies .. must be on a goverment payroll ....

Mecca
05-07-2010, 07:50 PM
He's a moron for getting caught for roids in a league where the majority of guys are on them...you'd think he'd realize how to not get caught.

Pablo
05-07-2010, 07:58 PM
He's a moron for getting caught for roids in a league where the majority of guys are on them...you'd think he'd realize how to not get caught.So aside from being a roider; he's a massive dumbass that can't even cover up his incredibly obvious substance usage.

Mecca
05-07-2010, 08:00 PM
It does make him completely stupid, it's pretty obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes the NFL is full of guys on roids, HGH and all sorts of shit.

I personally don't care it's an accepted thing if you are a fan of the sport, but it basically makes him look pretty inept.

Fritz88
05-07-2010, 08:44 PM
It does make him completely stupid, it's pretty obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes the NFL is full of guys on roids, HGH and all sorts of shit.

I personally don't care it's an accepted thing if you are a fan of the sport, but it basically makes him look pretty inept.

Is it really that prevalent in the league?

notorious
05-07-2010, 08:45 PM
Is it really that prevalent in the league?

There probably isn't any way to prove it, but logic would dictate that a kid that is 250 and can run a sub 4.5 40 probably isn't all natural.

Mecca
05-07-2010, 08:47 PM
Guys who have body builder physiques while they basically abuse the fuck out of their bodies for half the year are not natural...the major things the steroids do is allow you to recover.

Guys who are huge, take serious beatings or have ridiculous size to speed ratio's that's what you look at.

There probably isn't a RB in the league that doesn't juice.

Silock
05-07-2010, 08:47 PM
Not possible. Everyone knows that there are no 'roids in the NFL!

Silock
05-07-2010, 08:48 PM
Guys who have body builder physiques while they basically abuse the fuck out of their bodies for half the year are not natural...the major things the steroids do is allow you to recover.

Yes, they make you recover more quickly, but they also make you bigger and stronger without a doubt.

notorious
05-07-2010, 08:48 PM
We are not here to talk about the past......

Mecca
05-07-2010, 08:56 PM
Yes, they make you recover more quickly, but they also make you bigger and stronger without a doubt.

They do, which is why I said anytime you see a guy who plays RB and basically abuses the shit out of his body while looking like a greek god, who thinks that is natural?

If everyone in the league was "natural" you'd see a ton more guys missing games because their bodies wouldn't be prepared to play every week.

Silock
05-07-2010, 08:57 PM
They do, which is why I said anytime you see a guy who plays RB and basically abuses the shit out of his body while looking like a greek god, who thinks that is natural?

If everyone in the league was "natural" you'd see a ton more guys missing games because their bodies wouldn't be prepared to play every week.

I agree. I was just adding :)

I don't think there's anyone in the NFL that's completely clean, including our precious Chiefs.

Mecca
05-07-2010, 08:59 PM
Maybe kickers, some QB's, but that's probably about it.

I have no question that every linemen, RB, LB and TE is on it. There may be the occasional DB who isn't but that's about it.

notorious
05-07-2010, 08:59 PM
I agree. I was just adding :)

I don't think there's anyone in the NFL that's completely clean, including our precious Chiefs.

They have been playing like everyone else is on it and the Chiefs are natural.

Silock
05-07-2010, 09:02 PM
Maybe kickers, some QB's, but that's probably about it.

I have no question that every linemen, RB, LB and TE is on it. There may be the occasional DB who isn't but that's about it.

I bet QBs take them because of the wear and tear on their arms.

DumbHillbillies
05-07-2010, 09:18 PM
He's a moron for getting caught for roids in a league where the majority of guys are on them...you'd think he'd realize how to not get caught.

I think its prevalent but no way are the majority of players on roids.

Silock
05-07-2010, 09:36 PM
I think its prevalent but no way are the majority of players on roids.

And the majority of MLB players aren't, either, right?

Simply Red
05-07-2010, 09:54 PM
Thats just how we do in So Cal guys.

word is born, ENGLE---WOOOOD!

Simply Red
05-07-2010, 09:57 PM
They have been playing like everyone else is on it and the Chiefs are natural.

:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

The_Doctor10
05-07-2010, 10:03 PM
Is it really that prevalent in the league?

The players keep getting 'bigger stronger faster' and yet en masse, the only thing the population of the western world is doing is getting fatter. Human beings aren't supposed to be that combination of big and fast, odds are a lot of guys are using a lot of junk they shouldn't be.

Mecca
05-07-2010, 10:07 PM
The MLB took the rap for roids when the NFL is far and away the sport that doesn't pass the eye test.

You see unnatural shit on a football field pretty much...all the time.

DaneMcCloud
05-07-2010, 10:12 PM
What's the over/under on the number of months before Matthews test positive?

healthpellets
05-07-2010, 10:16 PM
isn't a doping test in the NFL really just an IQ test?

milkman
05-07-2010, 10:30 PM
I bet QBs take them because of the wear and tear on their arms.

Not Matt Cassel.

GoHuge
05-07-2010, 10:51 PM
Being pretty familiar with the OU football team I can tell you these people are genetic freaks........not a bunch of roided up dumb****s. The reason they get paid the $$$ they do is because they have natural gifts that no "average" person can attain no matter how hard they try. Do you all seriously think that the NFL performance enhancing drugs test is an easy thing to get around? Just run by GNC and pickup some shit and the NFL can't figure it out? They even suspend guys for using diuretics and things that could be considered masking agents. These people put in countless hours in the offseason and during the season. They condition themselves to do what they do while hitting the genetic lottery. Do some NFL players cheat? I'm sure they do, but to say a majority or "alot" is ridiculous. NFL players don't pass the eye test because there are only about 1500 people in the fucking WORLD that can genetically handle what the NFL dishes out. That and they workout countless hours. That is their only job. Call me Naive or say I've got blinders on.........that's fine. I'll call you stupid.

alanm
05-07-2010, 10:58 PM
Guys who have body builder physiques while they basically abuse the **** out of their bodies for half the year are not natural...the major things the steroids do is allow you to recover.

Guys who are huge, take serious beatings or have ridiculous size to speed ratio's that's what you look at.

There probably isn't a RB in the league that doesn't juice.Do you seriously think that someone like Jamaal Charles or Sproles is juicing. Well maybe Sproles. He is pretty muscular for a little guy.:)

Mecca
05-07-2010, 10:59 PM
I think pro athletes have the jack to afford shit that isn't detectable.

Mecca
05-07-2010, 10:59 PM
Do you seriously think that someone like Jamaal Charles or Sproles is juicing. Well maybe Sproles. He is pretty muscular for a little guy.

Uh yea, do you think there's anyway they could make it through a year if they didn't?

Chiefs Rool
05-07-2010, 11:00 PM
Uh yea, do you think there's anyway they could make it through a year if they didn't?

of course they could

Mecca
05-07-2010, 11:06 PM
of course they could

It'd be awfully difficult, a smaller RB's body isn't going to take the hits aswell as a bigger guy would, and really no body is designed to take the hits a RB takes roughly 20-30 times a game.

I think RB's use roids so they can recover and play more so than be hulking monsters.

BossChief
05-07-2010, 11:09 PM
Taylor Mays?

HotRoute
05-07-2010, 11:33 PM
i honestly think that there are some roiders in the league, and the majority of LB's and RB's use the shit (players that are constantly taking contact). but you guys are getting a little out of hand saying just about everyone in the league does it. there are some bad apples out there but not near as many as some would like to believe.

KCrockaholic
05-07-2010, 11:33 PM
Clay Matthews is next if he's not careful. Mark those words....

I remember last year it came out that Cushing and Matthews were on roids, then it came back and everyone said it was false. I think something went wrong with the original test. ( Or someone paid a lot of money to keep it a secret)

With that said...Does Cushing still deserve the DROY award? Or should it be Jarius Byrd's?

KcMizzou
05-07-2010, 11:35 PM
Ah, the old "So what? Everyone does it." defense.

Heheh.

HotRoute
05-07-2010, 11:36 PM
Ah, the old "So what? Everyone does it." defense.

Heheh.

kinda what im getting out of this whole thread too. ROFL

blaise
05-07-2010, 11:38 PM
I just heard Cushing doing an interview on a Houston radio show last week saying how he's been doing MMA training in the offseason. He must have gotten punched in the head too many times.

alanm
05-07-2010, 11:40 PM
Uh yea, do you think there's anyway they could make it through a year if they didn't?I'm thinking that if Charles is on steroids then he's getting ripped off cause their not working for him. Now if he suddenly makes the cover of Ironman and shoots up to 215 or 220 and runs a sub 4.3 40 then we may have something.

KCrockaholic
05-07-2010, 11:42 PM
I highly doubt Charles is on roids...

People are going to wonder if Matt Cassel is on roids the next time they see him on the field...

The_Doctor10
05-07-2010, 11:44 PM
Being pretty familiar with the OU football team I can tell you these people are genetic freaks........not a bunch of roided up dumb****s. The reason they get paid the $$$ they do is because they have natural gifts that no "average" person can attain no matter how hard they try. Do you all seriously think that the NFL performance enhancing drugs test is an easy thing to get around? Just run by GNC and pickup some shit and the NFL can't figure it out? They even suspend guys for using diuretics and things that could be considered masking agents. These people put in countless hours in the offseason and during the season. They condition themselves to do what they do while hitting the genetic lottery. Do some NFL players cheat? I'm sure they do, but to say a majority or "alot" is ridiculous. NFL players don't pass the eye test because there are only about 1500 people in the ****ing WORLD that can genetically handle what the NFL dishes out. That and they workout countless hours. That is their only job. Call me Naive or say I've got blinders on.........that's fine. I'll call you stupid.

Where were these 'genetic freaks' 20, 30, 40 years ago?

It's steroids. Not everyone is on them, obviously, but 6 foot 4 guys who go 260 and run 4.5 forties are not naturally occurring people.

KCrockaholic
05-07-2010, 11:47 PM
Where were these 'genetic freaks' 20, 30, 40 years ago?

It's steroids. Not everyone is on them, obviously, but 6 foot 4 guys who go 260 and run 4.5 forties are not naturally occurring people.

Ah you caught Vernon Gholston/Vernon Davis I see.

HotRoute
05-07-2010, 11:48 PM
just because a guy is ripped doesnt always mean he is on the juice. the tell tale signs are the sudden weight/muscle gain and the mood swings, i dont think that many chiefs are on the stuff IMO.

KCrockaholic
05-07-2010, 11:53 PM
The only Chief on roids that I could see would be...Maybe Dwayne Bowe.

I truly believe TJ is a product of his hard work in the weight room. Maybe I'm wrong. But I think he's clean.

Silock
05-08-2010, 01:46 AM
There are plenty of pro athletes that use PEDs, but you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at them. Look at pro-cycling. Just about every single one of them is one drugs, but they look scrawny as hell. There's something for everybody, whether you want to be fast, durable, big and brawny, etc.

BTW, I know a guy who's a strength and conditioning coach for the Chiefs. Drugs use is VERY prevalent.

Mecca
05-08-2010, 01:49 AM
Personally I think anyone who wants to act like the majority of the NFL is clean just wants to live in a fantasy world where no one cheats or looks for an advantage.

philfree
05-08-2010, 01:53 AM
There are plenty of pro athletes that use PEDs, but you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at them. Look at pro-cycling. Just about every single one of them is one drugs, but they look scrawny as hell. There's something for everybody, whether you want to be fast, durable, big and brawny, etc.

BTW, I know a guy who's a strength and conditioning coach for the Chiefs. Drugs use is VERY prevalent.

Libel

PhilFree:arrow:

Silock
05-08-2010, 01:54 AM
Personally I think anyone who wants to act like the majority of the NFL is clean just wants to live in a fantasy world where no one cheats or looks for an advantage.

Yup. Players look for an advantage all the time. See: Cushing, Merriman, etc. There are plenty of examples.

Silock
05-08-2010, 01:56 AM
Libel

PhilFree:arrow:

LOL

I didn't say it was prevalent with the Chiefs, nor was I given names.

It is what it is.

philfree
05-08-2010, 02:01 AM
LOL

I didn't say it was prevalent with the Chiefs, nor was I given names.

It is what it is.

I'm not against you but that could be construed IMO. This is a highly traveled site...


PhilFree:arrow:

mylittlepony
05-08-2010, 02:17 AM
Back in the day my old company (I'm a computer techie) applied to be the testing org for the NFL. Me being a fan of the NFL looked through the paperwork. If I remember correctly compared to other sports (like athletics etc) the NFL had a pretty small testing program. Again if I remember it correctly the number of unannounced (like some odd thursday @ 9pm) was very low and the matchday testing was somewhat below average.

This was around about when the MBL scandals were coming in.

wazu
05-08-2010, 02:39 AM
Uh yea, do you think there's anyway they could make it through a year if they didn't?

What a fucking joke/conspiracy theory. Try to implicate the entire league just because a USC guy gets caught juicing.

Yes, they've all got magical, undetectable stuff. There's no proof, but we just "see" stuff that seems "unnatural" because they do athletic things that we can't. That's all the proof we need that every NFL player is = Cushing.

mcaj22
05-08-2010, 02:41 AM
One of my roommates at Drexel went to high school with Cushing, said he was on so many roids even in high school it was painfully obvious and he didn't do much to even bother to hide the fact, he said it was only a matter of time until he was caught at the pro level. I never really believed him (that he would get "caught" or fail a test) but I guess the jokes on me.

lostcause
05-08-2010, 02:41 AM
I think that without a doubt, Mecca is straight on. I don't have proof just basic perception.

Silock
05-08-2010, 02:42 AM
I'm not against you but that could be construed IMO. This is a highly traveled site...


PhilFree:arrow:

Meh. I'm not pointing fingers at any one or any organization. It's pretty well-known that PEDs are used in all professional sports.

Silock
05-08-2010, 02:43 AM
What a fucking joke/conspiracy theory. Try to implicate the entire league just because a USC guy gets caught juicing.

Yes, they've all got magical, undetectable stuff. There's no proof, but we just "see" stuff that seems "unnatural" because they do athletic things that we can't. That's all the proof we need that every NFL player is = Cushing.

There is no doubt that pro athletes are all genetic cream of the crop. They represent the top level of what happens when you train your entire life for something.

Mecca
05-08-2010, 02:43 AM
This is my basic view, I don't think many guys could realistically play an entire season in numerous positions without help from PED's.

I would pretty much guarantee the year Larry Johnson took 400 carries he was completely juiced up to even be able to stand by the end of that season.

Mecca
05-08-2010, 02:45 AM
Also I could give 2 shits it's a USC guy, Clay Matthews is 70lbs heavier today than he was 5 years ago, you think that's natural?

The NFL, college football and pro sports in general is full of PED's.

wazu
05-08-2010, 02:47 AM
This is my basic view, I don't think many guys could realistically play an entire season in numerous positions without help from PED's.

I would pretty much guarantee the year Larry Johnson took 400 carries he was completely juiced up to even be able to stand by the end of that season.

Yes, keep making the claims. Not backed up by any evidence, but if you can't do it, chances are nobody can. I mean, playing sixteen games - that's just IN-HUMAN! They're all cheaters. Every single NFL player who isn't a kicker or a QB must be on roids just to line up and play on Sundays.

lostcause
05-08-2010, 02:50 AM
Yes, keep making the claims. Not backed up by any evidence, but if you can't do it, chances are nobody can. I mean, playing sixteen games - that's just IN-HUMAN! They're all cheaters. Every single NFL player who isn't a kicker or a QB must be on roids just to line up and play on Sundays.

Everything about the NFL screams physical enhancers. 300 pounders running sub 5 40s and these guys being able to play 16 games to begin with. If the NFL truly tested for roids, they would destroy the game. imho.

Mecca
05-08-2010, 02:53 AM
Do you have any idea what kind of punishment an NFL player takes?

For a RB to take the kind of load LJ did and still be standing is seriously inhuman.

And yes the NFL just screams PEDs, like I said that game more than any other does not pass the eye test.

wazu
05-08-2010, 02:58 AM
No, I don't have a firm understanding of the biological impact of playing in the NFL. Highest I ever played was high school, and that was all I could handle physically and was basically constant pain. But I limped through without roids. Now, that doesn't mean I could at the pro level, in fact there's no way I could, but I'm not going to just assume that because I couldn't, nobody could.

It's tough. It hurts. But I think most players find a way to get through it without taking roids. Ones like Merriman and Cushing take the easy way out, get exposed, and then fade away. These are examples of the system working. If it wasn't, do you think anybody would ever get caught? Especially stars who are most embarrassing to the NFL?

Mecca
05-08-2010, 03:03 AM
The guys who get caught are basically stupid asses. It speaks more to them not being very bright about what they're doing than to the league having a low rate of PED use.

If you talk to anyone that is knowledgeable about PED's or doesn't buy into the bullshit, the NFL doesn't pass the eye test. I mean really looking at the NFL and saying a low number do PED's would be like saying ah you know most WWE wrestlers are clean, not buying the bullshit.

KcMizzou
05-08-2010, 03:06 AM
The NFL is not WWF, TNA, WWE or whatthefuckever pro wrestling, Mecca.

Again, this is the "So what, everybody does it." defense... and I think that's bullshit.

But hey, whatever makes you feel better.

KcMizzou
05-08-2010, 03:11 AM
The long and short of it is this...

It's a USC player being nailed for 'roids... and (of course) you're right up front on your trusty steed, to defend his honor. "They all do it" is a shitty defense.

Mecca
05-08-2010, 04:44 AM
In case you missed it, that's been what I've said regardless of who it is, the NFL is full of PED's.

Aaron Maybin between the end of the college season and the combine put on 20lbs of muscle, does anyone here wanna argue that can be naturally done...if you do I'll laugh about it because it's not possible without serious drug help.

I want to know why it always goes back to this SC bullshit, I really could give 2 shits about it. Clay Matthews didn't naturally gain 75lbs in 5 years. I don't really care, I accepted long ago what goes on in big time sports today.

Pushead2
05-08-2010, 05:31 AM
There are plenty of pro athletes that use PEDs, but you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at them. Look at pro-cycling. Just about every single one of them is one drugs, but they look scrawny as hell. There's something for everybody, whether you want to be fast, durable, big and brawny, etc.
.

So Jamarcus Russell failed at this too....

milkman
05-08-2010, 07:24 AM
In case you missed it, that's been what I've said regardless of who it is, the NFL is full of PED's.

Aaron Maybin between the end of the college season and the combine put on 20lbs of muscle, does anyone here wanna argue that can be naturally done...if you do I'll laugh about it because it's not possible without serious drug help.

I want to know why it always goes back to this SC bullshit, I really could give 2 shits about it. Clay Matthews didn't naturally gain 75lbs in 5 years. I don't really care, I accepted long ago what goes on in big time sports today.

Seriously, you just need to shut the hell up.

I have no doubt that the majority of players use PEDs, but the fact is, you didn't go this far in defense of Merriman.
This is an "everyone does it" defense.

And you are really too ****ing stupid to be condescending.

No one gives a rat's ass if your dumbass laughs.

It always comes back to USC, because the fact is, no matter how much you cry that you're impartial, you aren't.

WilliamTheIrish
05-08-2010, 07:55 AM
The guys who get caught are basically stupid asses. It speaks more to them not being very bright about what they're doing than to the league having a low rate of PED use.

If you talk to anyone that is knowledgeable about PED's or doesn't buy into the bullshit, the NFL doesn't pass the eye test. I mean really looking at the NFL and saying a low number do PED's would be like saying ah you know most WWE wrestlers are clean, not buying the bullshit.

This is the Mecca I love the most.

"If you talk to anyone knowledgeable" ..."Or doesn't buy in to the bullshit"

Mecca, I'll wager what you know about chemistry and how it relates to kinetics and overall function of the body would fit on the head of a pin. You have zero knowledge of anabolics and even less access to how they may be used. Yet you post like you've been awarded a research grant into the subject. Don't ever stop. One of the fine qualities of this board is it's ability to make me laugh.

And then you neatly wrap it up with a comparison to the WWE. LMAO

Tribal Warfare
05-08-2010, 08:26 AM
The guys who get caught are basically stupid asses. It speaks more to them not being very bright about what they're doing than to the league having a low rate of PED use.

If you talk to anyone that is knowledgeable about PED's or doesn't buy into the bullshit, the NFL doesn't pass the eye test. I mean really looking at the NFL and saying a low number do PED's would be like saying ah you know most WWE wrestlers are clean, not buying the bullshit.

Speaking of athletic freaks, there are a few out there, like Moss, Jevon Kearse,Julius Peppers, ect... that are all natural.

stevieray
05-08-2010, 08:28 AM
"everybody does it" is an excuse children use.

-King-
05-08-2010, 08:28 AM
Speaking of athletic freaks, there are a few out there, like Moss, Jevon Kearse,Julius Peppers, ect... that are all natural. They are out there

Peppers was caught after his rookie year.
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-King-
05-08-2010, 08:30 AM
I don't get it. So these guys are on steroids just because they're more athletically gifted than most of the people on the planet? Does that mean that Nasa people are on some type of brain juice just because they're smarter than most of the people on the planet.
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thurman merman
05-08-2010, 08:32 AM
I'd still rather have him than all the nameless linebackers the Chiefs have now.

WilliamTheIrish
05-08-2010, 08:42 AM
I don't get it. So these guys are on steroids just because they're more athletically gifted than most of the people on the planet? Does that mean that Nasa people are on some type of brain juice just because they're smarter than most of the people on the planet.
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If you talk to anyone knowledgeable and don't buy into the bullshit...

milkman
05-08-2010, 08:57 AM
Peppers was caught after his rookie year.
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Don't pay any mind to TW.

His ass is full of shit, and sometimes he's just has to get it out through his mouth, as it were.

blaise
05-08-2010, 09:02 AM
Last year, before the draft, Mecca told me how dumb it was to suggest that any NFL GM would even consider Cushing's steroid use, even if he was juicing. I was told that NFL players that juice don't get caught anyway so it was dumb to think an NFL team would even worry that he might get suspended.
Now the Texans have to worry about what Cushing does now, and if he gets caught again.

Marcellus
05-08-2010, 09:08 AM
Do you have any idea what kind of punishment an NFL player takes?

For a RB to take the kind of load LJ did and still be standing is seriously inhuman.

And yes the NFL just screams PEDs, like I said that game more than any other does not pass the eye test.

How oh how did they survive in the 50's and 60's with Jim Brown running people over and Dick Butkus mauling people. Don't try to tell me those guys weren't phenomenal athletes. You would be dead wrong.

Football has been a violent game for a lot longer than PED's have existed.

There is a reason they only play 1 game a week.

the Talking Can
05-08-2010, 09:16 AM
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=205278&highlight=brian+cushing

Once again everyone thinks Brian Cushing is on roids, I wonder if after 6 years he thinks it's funny or annoying.


i honestly don't give a shit, but i'm bored and old threads are just gold mines...


Brian Orakpo wouldn't even be on my draft board.

Draft time always separates the dumbasses.



and saccofbats wouldn't have spent a 6th on the defensive rookie of the year...

TheGuardian
05-08-2010, 09:20 AM
Cushing will be another Merriman. Once he's forced to stop using anabolics he'll be "just another guy".

Clay Matthews will get caught next.

BossChief
05-08-2010, 09:24 AM
Anyone wanna guess who posted this?

"Cushing has always looked like that and it was put on a draft site."

TheGuardian
05-08-2010, 09:25 AM
Anyone wanna guess who posted this?

"Cushing has always looked like that and it was put on a draft site."

Oooo me me me! Pick me! I know! I know!

WilliamTheIrish
05-08-2010, 09:38 AM
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=205278&highlight=brian+cushing




i honestly don't give a shit, but i'm bored and old threads are just gold mines...


tTC, thanks for that. I had a vague remembrance of that Cushing quote and hadn't gotten around to the search function.

Mecca, you ****ing dope.

I think this quote is appropriate again:

If you talk to anyone knowledgeable and don't buy into the bullshit...

eazyb81
05-08-2010, 09:46 AM
Jesus Mecca, are you ever right?

I distinctly remember a similar conversation last year during draft time when discussing the Cushing-PEDs connection, and you were adament that rival fans were the ones starting these rumors and they were baseless.

Now that Cushing is busted, you're going for the "everyone does it" defense. So f'n predictable from you.

EDIT: LOL, looks like you've already been called out

Demonpenz
05-08-2010, 10:04 AM
Mecca: Maaa my mullet is twisted again! Get the floowbee

TheGuardian
05-08-2010, 10:06 AM
Seriously, you just need to shut the hell up.

I have no doubt that the majority of players use PEDs, but the fact is, you didn't go this far in defense of Merriman.
This is an "everyone does it" defense.

And you are really too ****ing stupid to be condescending.

No one gives a rat's ass if your dumbass laughs.

It always comes back to USC, because the fact is, no matter how much you cry that you're impartial, you aren't.

Full of win and repped.

TheGuardian
05-08-2010, 10:09 AM
Basically it works like this.

If Mecca has a hard on to draft guy A, and hates guy B, take guy B every time and you're assured to get a great player. The guy misses more than blind porn star during the money shot.

Brock
05-08-2010, 10:26 AM
Once again everyone thinks Brian Cushing is on roids, I wonder if after 6 years he thinks it's funny or annoying.

:LOL:

Rudy lost the toss
05-08-2010, 11:51 AM
I see Mecca falling in love with a couple of his points again.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-08-2010, 11:52 AM
Yes, keep making the claims. Not backed up by any evidence, but if you can't do it, chances are nobody can. I mean, playing sixteen games - that's just IN-HUMAN! They're all cheaters. Every single NFL player who isn't a kicker or a QB must be on roids just to line up and play on Sundays.

Playing 16 games and absorbing that kind of impact is absolutely inhuman.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-08-2010, 11:54 AM
Seriously, you just need to shut the hell up.

I have no doubt that the majority of players use PEDs, but the fact is, you didn't go this far in defense of Merriman.
This is an "everyone does it" defense.

And you are really too ****ing stupid to be condescending.

No one gives a rat's ass if your dumbass laughs.

It always comes back to USC, because the fact is, no matter how much you cry that you're impartial, you aren't.

No, he actually did.

We got in a number of arguments about it, actually.

Rudy lost the toss
05-08-2010, 12:06 PM
No, he actually did.

We got in a number of arguments about it, actually.

That would only surprise me if Merriman didn't play for a division rival.

TheGuardian
05-08-2010, 12:34 PM
No, he actually did.

We got in a number of arguments about it, actually.

That isn't really even relevant because he defended Cushing as a guy that was not using PED's to the hilt. Now that he's busted for it he's taking the "everyone does it" line.

TheGuardian
05-08-2010, 12:40 PM
Playing 16 games and absorbing that kind of impact is absolutely inhuman.

OMG no it isn't. Could you overstate this shit anymore than you do? If it were you wouldn't have guys like Favre not missing a game for almost 20 years. Guys like Jackie Slater and Will Shields and on and on and on playing for hundreds of games without ever missing a start.

Maybe you need to look up what the word inhuman means because using it in this context is ridiculous.

DaneMcCloud
05-08-2010, 01:22 PM
OMG no it isn't. Could you overstate this shit anymore than you do? If it were you wouldn't have guys like Favre not missing a game for almost 20 years. Guys like Jackie Slater and Will Shields and on and on and on playing for hundreds of games without ever missing a start.

Maybe you need to look up what the word inhuman means because using it in this context is ridiculous.

So you're comparing offensive lineman to running backs in terms of contact?

Huh?

Last time I checked, Will Shields and Jackie Slater didn't have 11 guys trying to beat the hell out of them each and every time they were on the field.

:shake:

And if you don't think that there are a huge number of guys using HGH or 'roids in the NFL, you're clueless.

TheGuardian
05-08-2010, 01:24 PM
So you're comparing offensive lineman to running backs in terms of contact?

Huh?

Last time I checked, Will Shields and Jackie Slater didn't have 11 guys trying to beat the hell out of them each and every time they were on the field.

:shake:

No they just have all the biggest guys on the field trying to beat the hell out of them.

And plenty of backs play all 16 games. So do linebackers and they have as much contact as anyone on the field. You guys take up for each other over some stupid ****ing shit. Playing 16 games of football isn't "inhuman". For the love of God the shit you ****ers say.

And who said I didn't think the NFL was full of guys using anabolics and growth hormone? Cushing had bitch tits in pictures when he was still at USC and his physique changed dramatically at times from being very average looking to being very very lean and muscular. Generally that's the sign of a guy going on and off cycles at various times.

I'm not letting this get off topic tho. Mecca blasted MF'ers here for bringing up that Cushing was somehow involved in using anabolics. Now he's saying "oh everyone does it" as a defense. He's a fucking hypocrite, esp when it comes to USC players. Because he ball washes every single fucking one of them. But the Chiefs suck in every way, shape, and form in regards to his opinions about them.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-08-2010, 02:42 PM
"As long as we can use this opportunity to bash prospects from USC, that's really all that matters".

-Sir Dicksock of PioliBallWash.

Silock
05-08-2010, 03:19 PM
How oh how did they survive in the 50's and 60's with Jim Brown running people over and Dick Butkus mauling people. Don't try to tell me those guys weren't phenomenal athletes. You would be dead wrong.

Football has been a violent game for a lot longer than PED's have existed.

There is a reason they only play 1 game a week.

That's true, but look at the average playing weight of guys back then. The impact forces, strength and speed of those guys weren't nearly what they are today.

Son of Logical
05-08-2010, 03:40 PM
So you're comparing offensive lineman to running backs in terms of contact?

Huh?

Last time I checked, Will Shields and Jackie Slater didn't have 11 guys trying to beat the hell out of them each and every time they were on the field.

:shake:

And if you don't think that there are a huge number of guys using HGH or 'roids in the NFL, you're clueless.

Dane you couldn't be more wrong about the punishment an offensive line guy takes. Now do RB, WR, QBs, take bigger shots at isolated times, sure. But consistently O-Line and D-line guys give out and take the most amount of punishment. Every single play, O-line and D-line guys get hit by the strongest guys on the field, each other.

In terms of roids, I would probably say something like 50/50 split on who are on roids and who aren't. Definitely a high amount of guys are probably using in some form or fashion, but I think people would be surprised by how many people play it clean.

In regards to Mecca bringing up a guy gaining 75 pounds of muscles in 5 years, that it totally possible to do in 5 years clean. Now I am not 100% familiar will Mathews, but there are plenty of late bloomers that actually gain more muscles in college then they do in high school. I was not a late bloomer, from freshman year of high school to senior I went from 150 to 265. Now I can guarantee I didn't use anything, I would think it is possible for a guy to do something similar in college.

So are roids prevalent in the NFL? Yes. Is everyone using? No.

doomy3
05-08-2010, 03:46 PM
"As long as we can use this opportunity to bash prospects from USC, that's really all that matters".

-Sir Dicksock of PioliBallWash.

Again, you post something completely irrelevant to the thread. No one in this thread is "bashing prospects from USC." People are, however, bashing Mecca on his relentless backpedaling and hilarious justifications for a player from USC being caught using PEDs, which many people on this site were called idiots for claiming before the draft last year.

dirtbag
05-08-2010, 04:08 PM
Mecca is an idiot.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-08-2010, 04:18 PM
OMG no it isn't. Could you overstate this shit anymore than you do? If it were you wouldn't have guys like Favre not missing a game for almost 20 years. Guys like Jackie Slater and Will Shields and on and on and on playing for hundreds of games without ever missing a start.

Maybe you need to look up what the word inhuman means because using it in this context is ridiculous.

The same Brett Favre that was using Vicodin so much that he picked it out of his vomit so he could re-ingest it.

That Brett Favre, right?

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-08-2010, 04:25 PM
Dane you couldn't be more wrong about the punishment an offensive line guy takes. Now do RB, WR, QBs, take bigger shots at isolated times, sure. But consistently O-Line and D-line guys give out and take the most amount of punishment. Every single play, O-line and D-line guys get hit by the strongest guys on the field, each other.

In terms of roids, I would probably say something like 50/50 split on who are on roids and who aren't. Definitely a high amount of guys are probably using in some form or fashion, but I think people would be surprised by how many people play it clean.

In regards to Mecca bringing up a guy gaining 75 pounds of muscles in 5 years, that it totally possible to do in 5 years clean. Now I am not 100% familiar will Mathews, but there are plenty of late bloomers that actually gain more muscles in college then they do in high school. I was not a late bloomer, from freshman year of high school to senior I went from 150 to 265. Now I can guarantee I didn't use anything, I would think it is possible for a guy to do something similar in college.

So are roids prevalent in the NFL? Yes. Is everyone using? No.

I'd be willing to wager that interior lineman are the biggest users of PEDs, painkillers, and other aids to get them on the field.

Look at how much weight Casey Wiegmann sheds every year when he can't lift during the season--25-30 pounds.

They all get multiple concussions, have to put on an unsustainable amount of weight, and they die 25 years before they should.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-08-2010, 04:31 PM
Again, you post something completely irrelevant to the thread. No one in this thread is "bashing prospects from USC." People are, however, bashing Mecca on his relentless backpedaling and hilarious justifications for a player from USC being caught using PEDs, which many people on this site were called idiots for claiming before the draft last year.

Cushing's a doper.

Maualuga's a drunk driving statutory rapist.

And to think, we could have drafted these guys.

USC. USC. USC. USC.

What exactly am I missing here, Doomith? :shrug:

And for the record, I'll take Rey Maualuga over Mike "Broke-Dick" Vrabel and Andy Studebaker every fucking Sunday of the season.
Just sayin'.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-08-2010, 04:32 PM
The same Brett Favre that was using Vicodin so much that he picked it out of his vomit so he could re-ingest it.

That Brett Favre, right?

LMAO Now that's some funny shit right there.

theultimatekcchiefsfan
05-08-2010, 05:23 PM
http://yepyep.gibbs12.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/cushing_steroids.jpg

BigMeatballDave
05-08-2010, 05:27 PM
LMAO Now that's some funny shit right there.What? You never heard that before?

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-08-2010, 05:38 PM
What? You never heard that before?

Nope. I wonder how Madden felt...

TheGuardian
05-08-2010, 05:47 PM
The same Brett Favre that was using Vicodin so much that he picked it out of his vomit so he could re-ingest it.

That Brett Favre, right?

and he never missed a game with inury

GoHuge
05-08-2010, 05:54 PM
Where were these 'genetic freaks' 20, 30, 40 years ago?

It's steroids. Not everyone is on them, obviously, but 6 foot 4 guys who go 260 and run 4.5 forties are not naturally occurring people.Uh football was way different back then dumbshit. These guys had to get jobs in the offseason because they didn't make nearly as much then. The NFL is now a year round sport. These athletes train year round now and have since highschool. Sports have changed with more emphasis on training, nutrition, and conditioning. The guys that played 30-40 years ago couldn't step on to an NFL field now with these guys.

Yes these things aren't doable by normal human beings, but these people are far from normal. Do you think it's normal for someone to run a 9.62 100m while showing off that last 10m? Guess Usain Bolt just hit the juice harder than everyone else and found a way to get around olympic testing too :rolleyes:.

I suppose guys like Lebron, Kobe, Larry Bird, Magic, Dwight Howard are or were just a bunch of HGH users. Normal people aren't over 6'6" that are as agile and coordinated as those guys. Their parents must have gotten them on the junk when they where 12!!

There are roughly 1500 or so NFL players and over 6 billion people in the world. The chance of someone being genetically capable of playing NFL football is a .0000000025% chance. You seem like a mental midget, but does that maybe put it in a little better perspective for ya? Probably not but try and keep up. The fastest man alive 1/660,000,000,000. "It's's steroids. Not everyone is on them, obviously, but 6 foot 4 guys who go 260 and run 4.5 forties are not naturally occurring people." Yeah no shit dummy. You have a much better chance of hitting the lottery (1:3,000,000 Missouri Lotto) or being struck by lightning (1:280,000) than you do being physically blessed enough to be a NFL worthy athlete. I mean 0.0000000025% of the earth's population couldn't possibly be different than the rest of the other 660,000,000,000 people. I mean really.........what are the odds of that happening :shrug:?

Yeah the NFL has no track record or credibility when it comes to PED testing. Sorry, but you and your assumptions are way off base and ****ing :lame:

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-08-2010, 06:53 PM
Uh football was way different back then dumbshit. These guys had to get jobs in the offseason because they didn't make nearly as much then. The NFL is now a year round sport. These athletes train year round now and have since highschool. Sports have changed with more emphasis on training, nutrition, and conditioning. The guys that played 30-40 years ago couldn't step on to an NFL field now with these guys.

Yes these things aren't doable by normal human beings, but these people are far from normal. Do you think it's normal for someone to run a 9.62 100m while showing off that last 10m? Guess Usain Bolt just hit the juice harder than everyone else and found a way to get around olympic testing too :rolleyes:.

I suppose guys like Lebron, Kobe, Larry Bird, Magic, Dwight Howard are or were just a bunch of HGH users. Normal people aren't over 6'6" that are as agile and coordinated as those guys. Their parents must have gotten them on the junk when they where 12!!

There are roughly 1500 or so NFL players and over 6 billion people in the world. The chance of someone being genetically capable of playing NFL football is a .0000000025% chance. You seem like a mental midget, but does that maybe put it in a little better perspective for ya? Probably not but try and keep up. The fastest man alive 1/660,000,000,000. "It's's steroids. Not everyone is on them, obviously, but 6 foot 4 guys who go 260 and run 4.5 forties are not naturally occurring people." Yeah no shit dummy. You have a much better chance of hitting the lottery (1:3,000,000 Missouri Lotto) or being struck by lightning (1:280,000) than you do being physically blessed enough to be a NFL worthy athlete. I mean 0.0000000025% of the earth's population couldn't possibly be different than the rest of the other 660,000,000,000 people. I mean really.........what are the odds of that happening :shrug:?

Yeah the NFL has no track record or credibility when it comes to PED testing. Sorry, but you and your assumptions are way off base and ****ing :lame:

Your math is terrible and your naivete is even worse.

There are plenty of people in other countries who could play in the NFL but don't for a variety of factors.

That aside, if you think that the NFL has a great record with PED use, then why was one of the greatest dynasties of all time built upon the usage of PEDs (70s Steelers)?

I think this quote sums it up best:

"I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. ... Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30 ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better."--Lyle Alzado

But I'm sure that nutrition, plyometrics, and better workouts have made 240 pound defensive ends 280 pound defensive ends.

Hell, guys were on gas in the 70s and they still weren't nearly this big. Not only are people still on them, but the steroids are better.

TheGuardian
05-08-2010, 07:24 PM
Your math is terrible and your naivete is even worse.

There are plenty of people in other countries who could play in the NFL but don't for a variety of factors.

That aside, if you think that the NFL has a great record with PED use, then why was one of the greatest dynasties of all time built upon the usage of PEDs (70s Steelers)?

I think this quote sums it up best:

"I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. ... Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30 ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better."--Lyle Alzado

But I'm sure that nutrition, plyometrics, and better workouts have made 240 pound defensive ends 280 pound defensive ends.

Hell, guys were on gas in the 70s and they still weren't nearly this big. Not only are people still on them, but the steroids are better.

OMG

Steroids aren't any "better" today than they were in the 60's. It's still the same shit.

Silock
05-08-2010, 07:28 PM
We shouldn't even be having this discussion. Just legalize it all and be done with it.

milkman
05-08-2010, 07:34 PM
We shouldn't even be having this discussion. Just legalize it all and be done with it.

That's what I say.

Though, in baseball, I don't like the proliferation of home runs as a result.

Home runs were much more exciting when they were less common.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-08-2010, 07:40 PM
OMG

Steroids aren't any "better" today than they were in the 60's. It's still the same shit.

You are truly dumb as fuck if you think that Winstrol is even close to as effective as THG. Never mind, you are dumb as fuck.

How do I know?

The chemists at the FDA, who have shown that THG is 10 times more potent than nandrolone.

Nice work Retardian.

Now lean forward and choke yourself, you dumb motherfucker.

BossChief
05-08-2010, 07:46 PM
Id like to add that NE players routinely failed tests for HGH, more so than steroids.

Unless you go overboard with the stuff, it is very hard to detect because some people just naturally have higher levels than others. Most of those players are the type that make football teams.

I wish they would get DJ some off that shit so he could mabye stop a running play once in awhile instead of getting lost in the wash.

GoHuge
05-08-2010, 09:15 PM
Your math is terrible and your naivete is even worse.

There are plenty of people in other countries who could play in the NFL but don't for a variety of factors.

That aside, if you think that the NFL has a great record with PED use, then why was one of the greatest dynasties of all time built upon the usage of PEDs (70s Steelers)?

I think this quote sums it up best:

"I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. ... Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30 ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better."--Lyle Alzado

But I'm sure that nutrition, plyometrics, and better workouts have made 240 pound defensive ends 280 pound defensive ends.

Hell, guys were on gas in the 70s and they still weren't nearly this big. Not only are people still on them, but the steroids are better.My math is terrible? Divide 1500 by 6,000,000,000=0.0000000025. WTF kind of calcualtor are you using? I use the approximate amount of players and a round number of the the approximate number of people on the planet. I'm sure if you go through every nation, hemisphere, and continent you'll probably find more. See I'm going off of the information we have and not using assumptions as you are.

Are you dumb or stupid enough to think PED testing hasn't improved since the ****IN 70's? JFC you have to go back 40 years to validate your point? Live in the ****in now dude. They can find almost everything in a piss sample (including the cream and clear, women's hormones, and every masking agent). I know it sounds fun to live in fantasy/conspiracy land, but they test this shit and do it often enough your not getting by with it for long. My close family friend that went to the Colts in the 5th round this year pissed four times between the Combine and when he was drafted. You think they do that shit for giggles? Come the **** on dude..........

GoHuge
05-08-2010, 09:23 PM
Id like to add that NE players routinely failed tests for HGH, more so than steroids.

Unless you go overboard with the stuff, it is very hard to detect because some people just naturally have higher levels than others. Most of those players are the type that make football teams.

I wish they would get DJ some off that shit so he could mabye stop a running play once in awhile instead of getting lost in the wash.Nobody tests for HGH so why the hell are the Patriots finding guys abusing it when there isn't an accurate test for it? This will explain it a little better for you and show your full of shit.........


Yes, there is a blood test for HGH. But because antibodies necessary for the process are in such short supply, virtually no HGH testing is conducted. In addition, the test only detects HGH right after injection so it's impractical for in-competition testing. As a result, there never has been an HGH positive test that is accurate.

There have been just a couple hundred HGH tests, according to experts such as Christine Ayotte, head of the Montreal Olympic-testing lab, and Gary Wadler, a physician and author who has advised the World Anti-Doping Agency.

"We know growth hormone is a problem," Ayotte said. "No sport is testing currently for HGH, because (the test) is not available. If the test kit was available, it would only be effective for out-of-competition testing."

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-08-2010, 09:27 PM
There absolutely are tests for HGH. The NFL advocated for use of an HGH blood test, and the union was dead set against it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-08-2010, 09:34 PM
My math is terrible? Divide 1500 by 6,000,000,000=0.0000000025. WTF kind of calcualtor are you using? I use the approximate amount of players and a round number of the the approximate number of people on the planet. I'm sure if you go through every nation, hemisphere, and continent you'll probably find more. See I'm going off of the information we have and not using assumptions as you are.

Are you dumb or stupid enough to think PED testing hasn't improved since the ****IN 70's? JFC you have to go back 40 years to validate your point? Live in the ****in now dude. They can find almost everything in a piss sample (including the cream and clear, women's hormones, and every masking agent). I know it sounds fun to live in fantasy/conspiracy land, but they test this shit and do it often enough your not getting by with it for long. My close family friend that went to the Colts in the 5th round this year pissed four times between the Combine and when he was drafted. You think they do that shit for giggles? Come the **** on dude..........

Ok, follow the rabbit hole of your dipshittery:

1) Women aren't going to play in the NFL, so halve your 6 billion
2) People in their teens and younger, and late 30s and older don't play, so take another 70% percent off of that.

So, of your 6 billion we realistically have less than a billion males of age who could play in the NFL.

Now, on top of that, think about how many have no access to any knowledge about the game, are severely malnourished (and thus their body type can't be ascertained), and the number shrinks even more. On top of that, think about how many have no desire to play the game (which is an overwhelming number) and funnel their athletic ability into other avenues, like soccer, track, etc.

It was a stupid fucking post, and deserved to be called out as such.

And ask yourself this:

If testing has improved sooooo much, then why was the USADA completely oblivious to THG and could make no test for it until mailed a fucking syringe of it?

TheGuardian
05-08-2010, 10:42 PM
You are truly dumb as **** if you think that Winstrol is even close to as effective as THG. Never mind, you are dumb as ****.

How do I know?

The chemists at the FDA, who have shown that THG is 10 times more potent than nandrolone.

Nice work Retardian.

Now lean forward and choke yourself, you dumb mother****er.

THG is basically tren you idiotic fuck.

http://www.steroidworld.com/steroid-articles/thg-tetrahydrogestrinone.html

There is nothing special about Tetrahydrogestrinone. The only reason it is getting so much attention is because it was undetectable in steroid testing.

God damn you're a stupid fuck. Stop trying to talk about shit you don't have a god damned clue about moron. Well duh, it's stronger than winstrol. Everyone knows that tren is one of the strongest anabolics there is. THG isn't made from anything new, it was just a combination of two steroids. You couldn't be any more fucking stupid. Stop commenting about this shit. You don't have a clue.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-08-2010, 11:49 PM
THG is basically tren you idiotic fuck.

http://www.steroidworld.com/steroid-articles/thg-tetrahydrogestrinone.html



God damn you're a stupid fuck. Stop trying to talk about shit you don't have a god damned clue about moron. Well duh, it's stronger than winstrol. Everyone knows that tren is one of the strongest anabolics there is. THG isn't made from anything new, it was just a combination of two steroids. You couldn't be any more fucking stupid. Stop commenting about this shit. You don't have a clue.

And trenbolone was developed several years after winstrol, deca, etc.

You're a poser on this shit just like you are with your Juco glory days.

First, it's "steroids aren't any better than they were in the 60's".

And now, with more recently developed compounds like THG, or their progenitors like trenbolone, which are multiple times more powerful, it's me who doesn't know anything??

ROFL ROFL

Thanks for proving my point dipshit.

Hell, the only steroid with comparable power made in your time frame is anadrol, but it has horrible estrogenic side effects, unlike THG.

sedated
05-08-2010, 11:58 PM
I think its kind of funny that the resident condescending USC-homer on the board, who is critical of anything and everything not-UCS, immediately turns the discovery of a LB from his "U" being a repeat roider, into a conversation about "everyone in the league does it, idiots".

sedated
05-09-2010, 12:10 AM
<img src="http://www.thedirty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cstrh23e8ggb.jpg">

Pushead2
05-09-2010, 12:24 AM
<img src="http://www.thedirty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cstrh23e8ggb.jpg">

this real?!?!

sedated
05-09-2010, 12:27 AM
this real?!?!

"Have the longtime rumors — which date to when he blew up from a 165-pound freshman into a 225-pound “wild dog” at Bergen Catholic High School (Oradell, N.J.) — been true?

Did all those before-and-after photos of him on the Internet mean what those who posted them said they meant?"

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6995860.html

-King-
05-09-2010, 02:03 AM
LMAO ROFL

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5313344&postcount=33
Some dudes are bigger than other dudes, I'd think after 4 years of college he'd have tested positive if he was actually on roids. Hell Cushing isn't even as big as Maualuga is.

salame
05-09-2010, 03:25 AM
http://www.thedirty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cstrh23e8ggb.jpg


I remember posting this picture after the draft last year
and people telling me he wasn't on roids
I say fuck you guys

BigMeatballDave
05-09-2010, 03:25 AM
http://www.thedirty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cstrh23e8ggb.jpgRepost...

salame
05-09-2010, 03:27 AM
Repost...

you missed my caption asshat
and paged me trying to be the damn repost police

BigMeatballDave
05-09-2010, 03:39 AM
you missed my caption asshat
and paged me trying to be the damn repost police:spock: Are you new here? LMAO

BossChief
05-09-2010, 05:12 AM
Nobody tests for HGH so why the hell are the Patriots finding guys abusing it when there isn't an accurate test for it? This will explain it a little better for you and show your full of shit.........


Rodney Harrison was suspended for 4 games in either 07 or 08 for HGH.

Im pretty sure there were at least two other players that were as well, Im not sure if it was a failed test or what but I am 100% positive that multiple Patriots players were linked to HGH use.

There are absolutely tests for it as well, so bite me.

TheGuardian
05-09-2010, 09:56 AM
And trenbolone was developed several years after winstrol, deca, etc.

You're a poser on this shit just like you are with your Juco glory days.

First, it's "steroids aren't any better than they were in the 60's".

And now, with more recently developed compounds like THG, or their progenitors like trenbolone, which are multiple times more powerful, it's me who doesn't know anything??

ROFL ROFL


Yes MF'er. You are the one who said that THG was SOOOO much more powerful than winstrol. Well ****ing DUH! It's just tren dumbass. Everyone already knew tren was stronger than winstrol. However it's not as strong as anadrol or dianabol.

That's the point. You don't have a ****ing clue about this shit but constantly prop yourself up as some sort of expert about this shit. Then when you're shown to be a clueless ****ing idiot, like here, you tap dance like Gregory ****ing Hines all over the god damned place rather than admit you don't have a clue.


Thanks for proving my point dipshit.

Hell, the only steroid with comparable power made in your time frame is anadrol, but it has horrible estrogenic side effects, unlike THG.

No shit Sherlock where did you park the car dick tracy? So you're saying that tren isn't any more powerul than anadrol or d-bol, which has been around since 1960? Just like I ****ing said? And THG is basically.........tren? WOW! So basically, designer steroids (which are just combinations of androgenic that already exist) aren't any stronger than what has been around since the 50's and 60's? oh my god that's what I said! The only difference is the chemical compound in them makes them non-detectable.

Thanks for playing asswipe. Now go get yer shinebox. I can't wait to see the tap dancing that will come with this one.

salame
05-09-2010, 01:39 PM
:spock: Are you new here? LMAO

Do you think I give a **** about your post count? :thumb:

orange
05-09-2010, 03:03 PM
Rodney Harrison was suspended for 4 games in either 07 or 08 for HGH.

Im pretty sure there were at least two other players that were as well, Im not sure if it was a failed test or what but I am 100% positive that multiple Patriots players were linked to HGH use.

There are absolutely tests for it as well, so bite me.

Rodney Harrison didn't fail a drug test. He got caught in a drug trafficking investigation.

According to the New York Daily News, Wilson admitted receiving HGH while working for the Chicago Bears from 2004-06. Citing sources, the News said Harrison and Wilson were subjects of an investigation by the Albany (N.Y.) County District Attorney's office into an Internet drug scam.

According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, a law enforcement source said Harrison admitted he began using HGH two years ago to recover from injuries. The same source said prosecutors allowed an NFL security official to sit in on a conference with Harrison earlier in the week. At that time, Harrison made his admission and the official reported it to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, which led to a Friday hearing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2999994

And the NFL does not test for HGH:

Wilson admitted receiving human growth hormone and anabolic steroids while a coach with the Chicago Bears, where he worked from 2004-2006. League officials were interested to know whether he used the drugs himself or whether he supplied them to players. Harrison admitted to receiving human growth hormone. Although the league does not test for HGH, a player can be suspended under the NFL doping policy if he admits or it can be proven that he took or possessed anything on the banned substances list.

The two are the first of what is expected to be many connected to the NFL to arise in the investigation. Sources said officials from the Albany County District Attorney's office approached NFL officials about Harrison and Wilson, saying that both had received drugs from Signature Pharmacy in Orlando. Under the scam, in which nine have pleaded guilty, doctors, hired by "anti-aging" clinics, signed prescriptions for patients they never saw, and those prescriptions were filled at Signature and other pharmacies. Albany and Florida law enforcement agents raided the pharmacy and several clinics in February.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2007/09/01/2007-09-01_pats_rodney_harrison_cowboys_wade_wilson-2.html#ixzz0nSrLw6Th

orange
05-09-2010, 03:08 PM
...

But so what. It's still cheating. And a small minority of NFL players do it. There is no evidence to the contrary.

Let us turn to math, once again.

About 3000 people go through the NFL each year (including training camp, etc.).


If a majority of those are juicing, that's 1500.
Yet only a dozen or two test positive each year.

That would mean that masking technology is 98%-99% effective.

NOTHING is 98%-99% effective.

I'll add here that Cushing has evoked the Bowe Defense - "I never took steroids. It was something else." Which does kind of point to HGH.

BossChief
05-09-2010, 03:18 PM
So he admitted to using them and they suspended him for 4 games for using HGH. I guess I just assumed that he tested positive because he got suspended for the drug while at NE which was my point. Thank you for the clarification, though.

WilliamTheIrish
05-09-2010, 04:00 PM
Typical MahiMecca.

The rolled up newspaper comes out and he hides behind the couch.

Pushead2
05-09-2010, 04:05 PM
Typical MahiMecca.

The rolled up newspaper comes out and he hides behind the couch.

whomp whomp...

Param
05-09-2010, 04:35 PM
And the NFL does not test for HGH:

Wilson admitted receiving human growth hormone and anabolic steroids while a coach with the Chicago Bears, where he worked from 2004-2006. League officials were interested to know whether he used the drugs himself or whether he supplied them to players. Harrison admitted to receiving human growth hormone. Although the league does not test for HGH, a player can be suspended under the NFL doping policy if he admits or it can be proven that he took or possessed anything on the banned substances list.

The two are the first of what is expected to be many connected to the NFL to arise in the investigation. Sources said officials from the Albany County District Attorney's office approached NFL officials about Harrison and Wilson, saying that both had received drugs from Signature Pharmacy in Orlando. Under the scam, in which nine have pleaded guilty, doctors, hired by "anti-aging" clinics, signed prescriptions for patients they never saw, and those prescriptions were filled at Signature and other pharmacies. Albany and Florida law enforcement agents raided the pharmacy and several clinics in February.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2007/09/01/2007-09-01_pats_rodney_harrison_cowboys_wade_wilson-2.html#ixzz0nSrLw6Th

And here's a recent article:


February 24, 2010

NFL hopes to test for HGH; union is against it

NFL.com Wire Reports

The NFL hopes to start testing players for human growth hormone in the wake of a test that led to the suspension of a British rugby player.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Wednesday that the league had made a proposal to its players in January regarding HGH. Discussions are ongoing, he said.

"Our position is that HGH testing has advanced to the point where we are taking steps to incorporate it into our program," Aiello said. "We have proposed it to the union."

The NFLPA's player development director, Stacy Robinson, said in a statement that the union "has supported research to find a suitable test that will detect sustained HGH use."

"We believe in and collectively bargained for a system that supports the testing of all banned substances," he said.

Said George Atallah, the union's assistant executive director of external affairs, to the Washington Post: "At this point, there's no reason to believe that blood-testing for NFL players will or should be implemented. We should instead focus on preserving the drug-testing policy that we have in place."

The NFL has used preseason blood tests since at least 2006 for cholesterol and tryglycerates. Major League Baseball has had urine testing since 2003 but not blood testing.

The issue of HGH testing has gained renewed interest in the wake of the United Kingdom Anti-Doping authority announcing a two-year ban Monday for rugby player Terry Newton, saying he had tested positive and become the first athlete suspended for using HGH.

The substance is believed by some to hasten healing, but there is still a debate over whether it increases strength.

A blood test for HGH has been in existence since the 2004 Athens Olympics and available in the U.S. since 2008, according to United States Anti-Doping Agency executive director Travis Tygart.

Tygart said the test was available to professional leagues, but only through World Anti-Doping Agency labs.

"It's one that's been well-vetted, well-discussed," he said by telephone from London. "Further research has been done to get it to a point where it's scientifically valid, and we're happy to help any entity that's interested in having an effective test, whether we're involved with their program or not, getting them comfortable with the validity of the science."

While MLB can institute blood tests for players on minor league rosters, it must reach an agreement with the players' association to start blood testing for unionized players on 40-man big league rosters.

"We are well aware of the important news with respect to the HGH blood test in England," Major League Baseball said in a statement. "We are consulting with our experts concerning immediate steps for our minor league drug program and next steps for our major league drug program. The commissioner remains committed to the position that we must act aggressively to deal with the issue of HGH."

Tygart said the window for detecting HGH through the test is three days at the most, making it most useful for out-of-competition testing. According to Weiner, it may be even shorter.

"Even those who vouch for the science behind the test acknowledge that it can detect use only for a day or so prior to collection," he said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report

Pablo
05-09-2010, 04:37 PM
Typical MahiMecca.

The rolled up newspaper comes out and he hides behind the couch.LMAO

GoHuge
05-10-2010, 04:18 AM
And here's a recent article:


February 24, 2010

NFL hopes to test for HGH; union is against it

NFL.com Wire Reports

The NFL hopes to start testing players for human growth hormone in the wake of a test that led to the suspension of a British rugby player.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Wednesday that the league had made a proposal to its players in January regarding HGH. Discussions are ongoing, he said.

"Our position is that HGH testing has advanced to the point where we are taking steps to incorporate it into our program," Aiello said. "We have proposed it to the union."

The NFLPA's player development director, Stacy Robinson, said in a statement that the union "has supported research to find a suitable test that will detect sustained HGH use."

"We believe in and collectively bargained for a system that supports the testing of all banned substances," he said.

Said George Atallah, the union's assistant executive director of external affairs, to the Washington Post: "At this point, there's no reason to believe that blood-testing for NFL players will or should be implemented. We should instead focus on preserving the drug-testing policy that we have in place."

The NFL has used preseason blood tests since at least 2006 for cholesterol and tryglycerates. Major League Baseball has had urine testing since 2003 but not blood testing.

The issue of HGH testing has gained renewed interest in the wake of the United Kingdom Anti-Doping authority announcing a two-year ban Monday for rugby player Terry Newton, saying he had tested positive and become the first athlete suspended for using HGH.

The substance is believed by some to hasten healing, but there is still a debate over whether it increases strength.

A blood test for HGH has been in existence since the 2004 Athens Olympics and available in the U.S. since 2008, according to United States Anti-Doping Agency executive director Travis Tygart.

Tygart said the test was available to professional leagues, but only through World Anti-Doping Agency labs.

"It's one that's been well-vetted, well-discussed," he said by telephone from London. "Further research has been done to get it to a point where it's scientifically valid, and we're happy to help any entity that's interested in having an effective test, whether we're involved with their program or not, getting them comfortable with the validity of the science."

While MLB can institute blood tests for players on minor league rosters, it must reach an agreement with the players' association to start blood testing for unionized players on 40-man big league rosters.

"We are well aware of the important news with respect to the HGH blood test in England," Major League Baseball said in a statement. "We are consulting with our experts concerning immediate steps for our minor league drug program and next steps for our major league drug program. The commissioner remains committed to the position that we must act aggressively to deal with the issue of HGH."

Tygart said the window for detecting HGH through the test is three days at the most, making it most useful for out-of-competition testing. According to Weiner, it may be even shorter.

"Even those who vouch for the science behind the test acknowledge that it can detect use only for a day or so prior to collection," he said.

The Associated Press contributed to this reportOK Bosschief this was reported on Feb 24, 2010 and still don't use an HGH test.........So why the fuck where the Patriots suspending Rodney Harrison 3 years ago when they don't test for it? There was no test that he failed........he just came out and admitted it. The Patriots didn't suspend him either....the NFL did.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2999994


New England Patriots strong safety Rodney Harrison has been suspended for the first four regular-season games after violating the NFL's substance-abuse policy, the league said early Saturday.

The 34-year-old Harrison, suspended without pay, will be eligible to return to the Patriots' active roster following the team's Oct. 1 game against the Cincinnati Bengals. He acknowledged the suspension in a late Friday night conference call, admitting that he obtained human growth hormone but said that he had never taken steroids.



"I sent the wrong message with my actions. This is a mistake and this is something that I've done."
Rodney Harrison



"I want to make it clear," Harrison said, "that never once did I take steroids. I did admit to the commissioner that I took a banned substance."

The league issued a statement late Friday night confirming that Harrison is suspended without pay for four games, effective immediately.

Harrison said that his actions stemmed from his desire to "accelerate the healing process" from his various injuries the past two seasons.



Now I'm not saying your a fucking moron. Well check that.......I am. Get the facts on the story before you start telling it. He admitted to using HGH.....not testing positive like you've been shooting your mouth about. There has never been an HGH test given by the NFL and have only suspended a guy that admitted to using it. There's some closure for you......hopefully now you'll shut the fuck up about the HGH testing that the NFL doesn't do, nor have they ever. God damn your dumb.

xztop12
05-10-2010, 04:20 AM
What's more is there are a few studies on pubmed, showing that anabolic steroids help your performance long after you get off a cycle. and he got the same punishment as Bowe for taking diauretics(probably performance inhibiting if anything)

The Bad Guy
05-10-2010, 08:48 AM
Why do you guys want Mecca to come out? All he's going to do is spin, deflect, and make some generalization. He's never going to admit he's wrong about anyone.

dirk digler
05-10-2010, 08:59 AM
Ooops...This is a huge shock and everybody thought he was on roids...well except Mecca LMAO

blaise
05-10-2010, 09:17 AM
Ooops...This is a huge shock and nobody ever thought he was on roids...well except Mecca LMAO

Well it didn't matter if he was on roids because once he got into the NFL there's no chance he would ever test positive anyway. That's why there was no point in even thinking about any steroid angle with Cushing. Teams didn't need to worry because, after all, losing your first round pick for 25% of the year due to suspension, worrying that he'll miss an entire season if he tests postive again, or worrying that he won't be the player he was if he stops doing what he was doing is something only a dumbass would do.

Lono
05-10-2010, 12:14 PM
Everything about the NFL screams physical enhancers. 300 pounders running sub 5 40s and these guys being able to play 16 games to begin with. If the NFL truly tested for roids, they would destroy the game. imho.

Roids have nothing to do with making you faster. There are only two ways to get faster, become more flexible and work on a better start.

Amnorix
05-10-2010, 12:16 PM
Is it really that prevalent in the league?


IMHO it is. Has to be.

Amnorix
05-10-2010, 12:18 PM
They do, which is why I said anytime you see a guy who plays RB and basically abuses the shit out of his body while looking like a greek god, who thinks that is natural?


I saw some press thing a few years ago where they were interviewing someone in the Pats locker room. Troy Brown was walking around in the background with just a towel. And it just completely ridiculous. His muscles had muscles.

IMHO the NFL is completely 'roided (or HGH or whatever) up. Much higher percentages than any other sport.

Amnorix
05-10-2010, 12:21 PM
The players keep getting 'bigger stronger faster' and yet en masse, the only thing the population of the western world is doing is getting fatter. Human beings aren't supposed to be that combination of big and fast, odds are a lot of guys are using a lot of junk they shouldn't be.


John Hannah might be the best guard in NFL history, and his playing weight (his career was about 1973 to 1986) was 265. He was big, strong, fast and athletic as hell.

Nowadays that's the weight of a big TE or a linebacker, not a lineman.

There isn't a single offensive lineman in the NFL right now that is under 290. The Pats OLine is considered "light and quick" and nearly every guy one htere is 300-310.

Think about it. Sure, some of it is just better understanding of diet and workout regimens, but it's absurd. Darwin didn't reinvent the human body in 30 years.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 12:22 PM
Honestly, if there are no tests for it, why wouldn't you do HGH?

Chiefnj2
05-10-2010, 12:28 PM
John Hannah might be the best guard in NFL history, and his playing weight (his career was about 1973 to 1986) was 265. He was big, strong, fast and athletic as hell.

Nowadays that's the weight of a big TE or a linebacker, not a lineman.

There isn't a single offensive lineman in the NFL right now that is under 290. The Pats OLine is considered "light and quick" and nearly every guy one htere is 300-310.

Think about it. Sure, some of it is just better understanding of diet and workout regimens, but it's absurd. Darwin didn't reinvent the human body in 30 years.

Terrance Cody - all natural, baby!

Amnorix
05-10-2010, 12:30 PM
Rodney Harrison was suspended for 4 games in either 07 or 08 for HGH.

Im pretty sure there were at least two other players that were as well, Im not sure if it was a failed test or what but I am 100% positive that multiple Patriots players were linked to HGH use.

There are absolutely tests for it as well, so bite me.

No tests for HGH. He was caught because he was listed in his supplier's records. Or an intermediary (doctor) or something.

There's no test for HGH, he wasn't caught that way, and no other Patriots (or other NFL players) were linked.

Amnorix
05-10-2010, 12:35 PM
Terrance Cody - all natural, baby!

Well, ok, maybe HIM...!


http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/94801/terrence-cody-weigh-in.jpg

Chiefnj2
05-10-2010, 12:38 PM
I'm always surprised about how long it takes from the initial positive test until a suspension is announced. He tested positive in September of last year, but no announcement until last week? Is the league looking to protect its young potential stars?

Amnorix
05-10-2010, 12:39 PM
I'm always surprised about how long it takes from the initial positive test until a suspension is announced. He tested positive in September of last year, but no announcement until last week? Is the league looking to protect its young potential stars?

Why would delaying the announcement "protect" them. Not like the guy was about ot retire. Instead they let him go through the season, he is selected by the press as DROY, and then this comes out.

IMHO this is WORSE in terms of reputational damage.

There's a process for appeal and crap. Lawyers and unions are involved. How easy do you think it is?

BossChief
05-10-2010, 12:54 PM
No tests for HGH. He was caught because he was listed in his supplier's records. Or an intermediary (doctor) or something.

There's no test for HGH, he wasn't caught that way, and no other Patriots (or other NFL players) were linked.
I stand corrected and said so earlier. I just assumed he failed a test, but you arent right either. He admitted using it and was suspended for such, what brought those questions in the first place were his suppliers records.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3028236
"I want to make it clear," Harrison said before the season began, "that never once did I take steroids. I did admit to the commissioner that I took a banned substance."

There ARE tests for HGH, its just that the NFL doesnt use them. My assumption is because some people naturally have a higher level and it would be hard to prove it came from artificial sources. A lot of those people would end up in the NFL because of their natural size.

But, you know, whatever. Cant win em all.

Chiefnj2
05-10-2010, 01:08 PM
Why would delaying the announcement "protect" them. Not like the guy was about ot retire. Instead they let him go through the season, he is selected by the press as DROY, and then this comes out.

IMHO this is WORSE in terms of reputational damage.

There's a process for appeal and crap. Lawyers and unions are involved. How easy do you think it is?



IMO, it would be much worse for him to be suspended in the middle of his rookie year. He never would have put up great stats and never would have earned all of the accolades and awards that he did.

Amnorix
05-10-2010, 02:46 PM
IMO, it would be much worse for him to be suspended in the middle of his rookie year. He never would have put up great stats and never would have earned all of the accolades and awards that he did.

And that's worse PR for the NFL than winning the awards and then having the whole season tainted by this?

That really is nonsensical. If he'd been slapped last year, he wouldn't have won the awards and all the articles wouldn't have "Defensive Rookie of the Year winner Brian Cushing..." in the opening paragraph

Short Leash Hootie
05-10-2010, 04:45 PM
I almost feel bad for Mecca...

This website is really all he has for his "ego"...and he literally has almost no credibility...even here.

HemiEd
05-10-2010, 04:50 PM
Mecca is a pretty good source for information about players, I enjoy his takes just like others on this board.

Is he right all the time? Nobody is.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 04:54 PM
Cushing took a lie detector test and passed. He claims he's never done steroids.

According to the reports I've read, he didn't test positive for steroids, he tested positive for a non-steroidal product.

I hope the NFL releases the information as to which product he had a positive test.

Short Leash Hootie
05-10-2010, 05:12 PM
Nice!

So now Mecca gets an "I told you so" even though everybody uses!

Epic.

Dicky McElephant
05-10-2010, 05:18 PM
RT @BobGlauber: Just got off the phone with AP Sports Editor Terry Taylor. There will be a re-vote of NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year.

FWIW

Brock
05-10-2010, 05:19 PM
What are the banned substances? I know ephedrine products and diuretics are banned.

JASONSAUTO
05-10-2010, 05:20 PM
osted by Mike Florio on May 10, 2010 5:05 PM ET
The bizarre case of Texans linebacker Brian Cushing took another turn toward Cuckootown with a report from Adam Schefter of ESPN that Cushing "took and passed a lie-detector test" in order to prove that he didn't "take a PED." This 140-characters-or-less item from Schefter on Twitter raises a lot more questions than it answers.

When did Cushing take the test?

Why did he take it?

Who administered it?

And, most importantly, why should we care? Cushing had in his systems something that violated the league's policy regarding anabolic steroids and related substances. Thus, he DID take a banned substance.

Perhaps we're merely now seeing the latest enhancement in the excuse-making arsenal of those who test positive. In addition to claiming that their Muscle Milk had been spiked with Nandrolene, they can claim -- without scrutiny -- that they "passed a lie detector test" regarding whether they cheated.

Since Cushing doesn't seem to be contending that someone slipped him a steroid unwittingly, one thing he should do is authorize the NFL to disclose all details regarding his positive test, including but not limited to the substance for which he tested positive and all information provided in connection with his appeal and the written decision upholding the suspension.

Though we still would reserve the right to be skeptical, having access to the information on which the league relied in deciding to suspend Cushing would be far more persuasive than the assertion that he must not be a cheater because he "passed a lie detector test."

Alternatively, we'd be willing to hire someone to impose a lie-detector test regarding the question of whether Cushing took a lie-detector test. Because our B.S. meter tells us he didn't.



.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 05:22 PM
I almost feel bad for Mecca...

This website is really all he has for his "ego"...and he literally has almost no credibility...even here.

like him or not, this is untrue.

He knows a lot about the college game and isnt stupid, just cocky, irresponsible and at times disrespectful.

OnTheWarpath58
05-10-2010, 05:27 PM
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GoHuge
05-10-2010, 07:05 PM
I stand corrected and said so earlier. I just assumed he failed a test, but you arent right either. He admitted using it and was suspended for such, what brought those questions in the first place were his suppliers records.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3028236
"I want to make it clear," Harrison said before the season began, "that never once did I take steroids. I did admit to the commissioner that I took a banned substance."

There ARE tests for HGH, its just that the NFL doesnt use them. My assumption is because some people naturally have a higher level and it would be hard to prove it came from artificial sources. A lot of those people would end up in the NFL because of their natural size.

But, you know, whatever. Cant win em all.You made an assumption that someone failed a test that has never been used? That's three degrees of stupid! Well done :).

BossChief
05-10-2010, 07:16 PM
You made an assumption that someone failed a test that has never been used? That's three degrees of stupid! Well done :).

nice sig! Glad I mean that much to you.

There is nothing lower than someone crying about rep, oh yea there is...someone that is bitch enough to post neg rep in their sig.

Yeah, I made an assumption that a player that was suspended for 4 games for HGH, had failed a test to get suspended. That surely makes me an idiot.

I keep it civil till someone takes a stab at me, then i return that favor. You fucked up and nipped at the wrong bulldog, son.

Post more.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 07:18 PM
nice sig! Glad I mean that much to you.

There is nothing lower than someone crying about rep, oh yea there is...someone that is bitch enough to post neg rep in their sig.

Yeah, I made an assumption that a player that was suspended for 4 games for HGH, had failed a test to get suspended. That surely makes me an idiot.

I keep it civil till someone takes a stab at me, then i return that favor. You fucked up and nipped at the wrong bulldog, son.

Post more.

The Butt Hurt is strong this off-season.

Short Leash Hootie
05-10-2010, 07:22 PM
people can neg rep me and certainly put me in their sigs all of the time...

1) I don't give two shits about rep...I hardly hand any out, and I don't care if I get any in return...

2) I have sigs turned off because sigs are, and have been, the dumbest fucking thing in message board history since as long as I've been on message boards...

If I join a board and can't turn sigs off I just don't visit the board anymore.

Short Leash Hootie
05-10-2010, 07:23 PM
I was at my mom's for mothers day and was browsing ChiefsPlanet without being logged in...

I'll present my case against sigs with this:

Tribal Warfare's signature...

So fucking annoying I had to just bite the bullet and log in...

Seriously...sigs with pictures are SUPER fucking gay...at least sigs with one quote or two are manageable and not huge eye sores...

GOD I HATE SIGS

BossChief
05-10-2010, 07:30 PM
The Butt Hurt is strong this off-season.

no kidding.

Was it this bad in years past?

I noticed that he took it out of his sig though. I am hurt.

I thought I was important.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

GoHuge
05-10-2010, 11:00 PM
nice sig! Glad I mean that much to you.

There is nothing lower than someone crying about rep, oh yea there is...someone that is bitch enough to post neg rep in their sig.

Yeah, I made an assumption that a player that was suspended for 4 games for HGH, had failed a test to get suspended. That surely makes me an idiot.

I keep it civil till someone takes a stab at me, then i return that favor. You ****ed up and nipped at the wrong bulldog, son.

Post more.I didn't want to promote idiocracy so yeah took it down. I'm not a child, but responded to a child like comment in kind. After a few minutes self control got the better of me and I took it down. You can use the masculine terms like "bulldog" and making statements that I'm a bitch for posting your moronical comment. Whatever.......doesn't make you any less stupid and doesn't add an inch to your dick.

Again, yes you made a stupid assumption and spewed it as fact throughout the thread. It was right to make an example of you. It was well earned and deserved. I'm not going to be an enabler and reward stupidity. When you are as wrong as you were, it's best to just take your medicine, admit your wrong, and yield. I'm not going to sit and bash someone for making a mistake. Hell even I did once before. I'm sorry the butt hurt got to you and you had to leave me a shitty comment. I really don't want to sit here and have a dick measuring contest with a mental midget. If you were more of a challenge I'd be happy to, but your too easy.

Ah **** it. Slow night so I'll go on for a litle longer........

"I keep it civil till someone takes a stab at me, then i return that favor. You ****ed up and nipped at the wrong bulldog, son." Really "bulldog?" Was that you pulling out the big guns........seriously? Give me a ****in break kid :rolleyes:

This isn't something we do in this country on a regular basis, and normally I'm not an advocate of this, but I suggest you be put down for the betterment of those in close proximity to you because there is a very real chance you may be contagious. You are the poster child for the arguement that people should have to pass an aptitude test to be able to reproduce. We know each other a little bit, but I've got to say that regardless of what you've witnessed in life, or what your parents have told you about the way the world works, but it's not correct for a mother to be a fluffer or play fellatio with a horse cock with dad coming around the back for an assist. I don't care how normal they say it is. These are not things most people consider "skill sets." I know, I know, different strokes for different folks. I get it and there's really no need to elaborate any further. When you keep that in mind while reading your drivel the picture paints itself. It's not your fault though........you were born into the situation. All you can really do is play the hand you were dealt in this life. I seriously wish you all the best my friend.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 11:23 PM
I didn't want to promote idiocracy so yeah took it down. I'm not a child, but responded to a child like comment in kind. After a few minutes self control got the better of me and I took it down. You can use the masculine terms like "bulldog" and making statements that I'm a bitch for posting your moronical comment. Whatever.......doesn't make you any less stupid and doesn't add an inch to your dick.

Again, yes you made a stupid assumption and spewed it as fact throughout the thread. It was right to make an example of you. It was well earned and deserved. I'm not going to be an enabler and reward stupidity. When you are as wrong as you were, it's best to just take your medicine, admit your wrong, and yield. I'm not going to sit and bash someone for making a mistake. Hell even I did once before. I'm sorry the butt hurt got to you and you had to leave me a shitty comment. I really don't want to sit here and have a dick measuring contest with a mental midget. If you were more of a challenge I'd be happy to, but your too easy.

Ah **** it. Slow night so I'll go on for a litle longer........

"I keep it civil till someone takes a stab at me, then i return that favor. You ****ed up and nipped at the wrong bulldog, son." Really "bulldog?" Was that you pulling out the big guns........seriously? Give me a ****in break kid :rolleyes:

This isn't something we do in this country on a regular basis, and normally I'm not an advocate of this, but I suggest you be put down for the betterment of those in close proximity to you because there is a very real chance you may be contagious. You are the poster child for the arguement that people should have to pass an aptitude test to be able to reproduce. We know each other a little bit, but I've got to say that regardless of what you've witnessed in life, or what your parents have told you about the way the world works, but it's not correct for a mother to be a fluffer or play fellatio with a horse cock with dad coming around the back for an assist. I don't care how normal they say it is. These are not things most people consider "skill sets." I know, I know, different strokes for different folks. I get it and there's really no need to elaborate any further. When you keep that in mind while reading your drivel the picture paints itself. It's not your fault though........you were born into the situation. All you can really do is play the hand you were dealt in this life. I seriously wish you all the best my friend.

I didnt want to promote idiocracy, so I wrote you a 10 page essay describing my endless butthurt... it would have been easier to just say something like

"Im really fucking butthurt by you giving me neg rep. It broke my heart. I think the world of you and it sucks that you disagree with me so strongly to neg rep me. I wub my wittle weppy and had no idea you had such a gigantic, well, wep swick. I just cant get over it even after many hours of drinking and smoking crack. I even called my mom over this. Its really bad. Now I feel the need to lash out at you because I have no other recourse"

or something like that...it would have been many less words.

now, go play in traffic

DBOSHO
05-10-2010, 11:54 PM
Eric berry will win defensive rookie of the year 2009.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 11:57 PM
Eric berry will win defensive rookie of the year 2009.

:facepalm:

what the fuck is up with today?

DBOSHO
05-11-2010, 12:02 AM
:facepalm:

what the **** is up with today?

Its this really neat thing called a joke.

BossChief
05-11-2010, 12:23 AM
Its this really neat thing called a joke.

Arent jokes supposed to have a funny element?

Maybe Im missing the relevance of its humor. Help me out here...

DBOSHO
05-11-2010, 12:28 AM
Arent jokes supposed to have a funny element?

Maybe Im missing the relevance of its humor. Help me out here...

Ill break it down a bit.

Eric berry cant play until this year, which is 2010. But hes a stud.

They are revoting on the droy for last year,2009.

Berry is so studly he can win droy and not even play. Get it now?

BossChief
05-11-2010, 01:02 AM
Ill break it down a bit.

Eric berry cant play until this year, which is 2010. But hes a stud.

They are revoting on the droy for last year,2009.

Berry is so studly he can win droy and not even play. Get it now?

oh, I get it and its a joke alright...keep trying, you'll get it. Its the thought that counts.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-12-2010, 04:52 PM
I almost feel bad for Mecca...



Feel bad for yourself, asshat.

kstater
05-13-2010, 05:47 PM
This sumbitch is either retarded, crazy, or both.

HOUSTON -- Houston Texans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou) linebacker Brian Cushing (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12453) said Thursday he never used any banned substances even though he tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug.
Cushing was suspended for four games without pay last week for violating the NFL's drug policy. His appeal was denied.
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Cushing confirmed he tested positive for HCG, a fertility drug that is on the league's banned substance list.
"The question of how it got into my body is still unclear," he said. "It's something that I'm very personally concerned about, just the fact that how it's there and what's going to determine it from happening again, and that's something we're going to have to medically investigate."
He said that after failing the test, he was told HCG can get in your body from injecting it or because of tumors. He said this information led him to believe he had tumors. He did not say what kind of tumors.
"I personally know I'm not injecting myself with anything," he said. "I played the whole season thinking this could not only be my last season, but my last year."
Cushing added he is concerned about his health and plans to undergo tests to see "how this got into my body" and to try to make sure it doesn't happen again.
In a statement Saturday, Cushing said the test indicated "the presence of a non-steroidal banned substance." He said he took the test in September and was notified of the results in October.
Dr. Gary Wadler, who leads the committee that determines the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned-substances list, said there have been cases of malignant testicular tumors producing HCG. Still, those cases are "extremely rare."
"If he had a tumor that produced HCG, he wouldn't be playing football," Wadler said of Cushing. "He would be under treatment for a malignant tumor."
Wadler also noted if Cushing tested positive once because of such a tumor, HCG levels would be consistently elevated and he would continue to have positive tests.
"Malignant testicular tumors producing HCG are rather lethal," Wadler said. "It is a fairly aggressive tumor and you're not playing in the NFL with one."
Cushing retained The Associated Press NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year award in a revote Wednesday prompted by the penalty. He won the original balloting in January with 39 votes out of 50 from a nationwide panel of sports writers and broadcasters who cover the NFL. This time, he got 18 votes to 13 for Buffalo's Jairus Byrd (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12613) and 12 for Green Bay's Clay Matthews (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12438) III.
He is offended that some in the media have called for him to give up the award.
"Why? I know I didn't do anything," he said. "I earned that award. I did everything I could. I was disappointed with the revote, but I have to respect the process again. But, no, I would never. I know what I did."
Fellow Texans linebacker DeMeco Ryans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9619) spoke on behalf of Cushing's teammates after Cushing spoke. Ryans was pleased Cushing retained the award that he also won after his rookie season in 2006.
"It was very important for him, it was a huge award and I was happy that he got it again and he deserved it again," he said. "He was the best rookie defensive player there was and he went out and proved that. Coming in this year after he's gone those four games I don't see any drop-off in what Cushing is going to bring to us. You'll see that same level of play."
Cushing read from a statement before taking questions. Coach Gary Kubiak and general manager Rick Smith sat nearby; neither commented before leaving.
Cushing said he was sorry he had become a distraction for the team.
"That's the thing I'm regretful about, is the fact that it's taken away from the Texans organization," Cushing said. "That's not going to change our goal. That's not going to change our achievements. We're going full speed ahead toward a championship."
The Texans have never been to the playoffs, but finished 9-7 for their first winning season in 2009, with Cushing's help on a young defense.

Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5186293

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-13-2010, 05:49 PM
Cushing confirmed he tested positive for HCG, a fertility drug that is on the league's banned substance list.



He just wanted a higher sperm-count, that's all.


Or more eggs in his vagina.

the Talking Can
05-13-2010, 05:56 PM
what a fucking idiot

JASONSAUTO
05-13-2010, 06:10 PM
what a fucking idiot

yep, and this situation is comedy gold.




but he didnt do it


but everyone does it


i dont know how it got there.

maybe i have a tumor



for a guy with the medical care access this guy has available to him i would think it would have taken all of five minutes to find out if he had a testicular tumor.
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orange
05-13-2010, 07:45 PM
- Now just one final word.
- Yeah?
- If Ruth should hear something
or should get suspicious-
- Huh?
It won't happen. I promise you.
But just in case-
- Yeah?
- deny, deny, deny.
No matter what she knows
or thinks she knows, deny it.
- What if she knows?
- You deny it.
- What if she-
- Deny.
- What if-
- Deny. Deny.

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xztop12
05-14-2010, 07:15 AM
He was practicing urotherapy on octomom.