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alnorth
05-09-2010, 11:20 AM
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Royals inexplicably fail to appeal for a 3rd out in the 3rd (no tag up), allowing 2 extra runs to later score.

May 9th, 2010: On this day, Dallas Braden throws the 2nd Perfect Game in Oakland Athletics Franchise history, vs the Tampa Bay Rays.

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/kan.gif

Luke Hochevar 2.2IP 4R 4ER 4BB 1K
Loss, (0-2) Brad Thompson 2IP 1R 1ER 1BB 2K
Robinson Tejeda 3.1IP 1R 0ER 0BB 2K

VS.

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/tex.gif

Scott Feldman 4IP 4R 4ER 2BB 4K 1HR
Win, (1-0) Doug Mathis 2IP 0R 0ER 1BB 0K
Hold, (3) Darren Oliver 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Hold, (6) Darren O'Day 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Save, (9) Neftali Feliz 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

Home Runs

KC

Mike Aviles, (2) - Top 4th solo shot to right

TEX

none

Royals prospects today (adv A or higher)

AA: Aaron Crow (SP) - 5IP 7R 7ER 3BB 0K 1HR
AA: Mike Moustakas (DH) - 1/4
Adv. A: Eric Hosmer (1B) - 3/4 (1 double), 1K

Starting Lineups

KC

1. David DeJesus, RF
2. Scott Podsednik, LF
3. Billy Butler, 1B
4. Jose Guillen, DH
5. Alberto Callaspo, 3B
6. Mike Aviles, 2B
7. Jason Kendall, C
8. Mitch Maier, CF
9. Yuniesky Betancourt, SS

TEX

1. Elvis Andrus, SS
2. Michael Young, 3B
3. Josh Hamilton, LF
4. Vladimir Guerrero, DH
5. Ian Kinsler, 2B
6. David Murphy, RF
7. Justin Smoak, 1B
8. Max Ramirez, C
8. Matt Treanor, C
9. Julio Borbon, CF

alnorth
05-09-2010, 11:23 AM
I decided that, barring some miracle run, I no longer care about AL Central scores. So, I'll put up how well top prospects did for the day. I just took the top 9 from Baseball Prosectus (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2010/269367.html), and saw who was playing today in Adv. A or higher. (I dont care how well you are doing in A or rookie ball, those are video game stats)

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 11:29 AM
I like the prospect thing, thats about the only thing worth watching

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 11:34 AM
It will be huge if Myers can stick at catcher.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 11:37 AM
It will be huge if Myers can stick at catcher.

Yeah, I looked for him. He's starting his first year in Burlington. We'll hopefully know more about him next year.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 12:09 PM
starting lineups are the same as 2 days ago. Except for Texas, which is starting their other catcher. Imagine that, a team which allows both catchers to start every week.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 12:13 PM
When you have an asset like Kendall, you simply have to utilize it to its fullest.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 12:33 PM
Meche says on royals pregame trey asked how he felt, more like 'i made trey my bitch and my arm doesn't hurt, well atleast today' 128 pitches is ridiculous

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 12:35 PM
When you have an asset like Kendall, you simply have to utilize it to its fullest.



Jason Kendall in his last 17 games: .228/.343/.298

Great signing!

alnorth
05-09-2010, 12:37 PM
Meche says on royals pregame trey asked how he felt, more like 'i made trey my bitch and my arm doesn't hurt, well atleast today' 128 pitches is ridiculous

Hey Trey, there's this strange chemical, "adrenaline", in our body that can do remarkable things. It can make you temporarily ignore pain and injuries, sometimes even override the body's safety mechanisms to tear muscle in an attempt to do what the mind thinks is important. Maybe you've heard about it.

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-09-2010, 12:54 PM
Jason Kendall in his last 17 games: .228/.343/.298

Great signing!

Bad average.....Power of a second grade girl......Noodle arm with JaMarcus Russell-esque accuracy.

What's not to like?

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 12:57 PM
Hey Trey, there's this strange chemical, "adrenaline", in our body that can do remarkable things. It can make you temporarily ignore pain and injuries, sometimes even override the body's safety mechanisms to tear muscle in an attempt to do what the mind thinks is important. Maybe you've heard about it.

Go into the repository thread, rany has a great post

alnorth
05-09-2010, 01:06 PM
The game is delayed a few minutes because the umpires are too lazy to come out on time.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 01:07 PM
Top 1st

DeJesus strikes out (swinging)
Podsednik grounds out to second
Butler grounds out to shortstop

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 1st

Andrus grounds out to third
Young walks
Hamilton reaches on a 1-6 fielder's choice, Young out at second
Guerrero strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 0 hits

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-09-2010, 01:19 PM
Where the hell was that pitch

alnorth
05-09-2010, 01:20 PM
Michael Young is pretty good at the game of baseball.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 01:26 PM
Top 2nd

Guillen walks
Callaspo flies out to right
Aviles singles to right, Guillen to second
Kendall strikes out (swinging)
Maier doubles to right, Aviles and Guillen scores
Betancourt strikes out (swinging)

2 runs, 2 hits

Bottom 2nd

Kinsler walks
Murphy hits an infield single to pitcher, Kinsler to second
Murphy advances to second, Kinsler caught stealing 2-5, out at third
Smoak flies out to center
Ramirez flies out to center

0 runs, 1 hit

KCUnited
05-09-2010, 01:27 PM
Let's bunt him over

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 01:35 PM
Kendall is worthless

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 01:37 PM
Hurry up and throw a damn pitch feldman you pussy

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 01:38 PM
Mitch fucking Maier

petegz28
05-09-2010, 01:38 PM
Go into the repository thread, rany has a great post

Fire Trey, make Frank White the Manager like we should have 5 years ago and lets get this show on the fucking road.

kstater
05-09-2010, 01:39 PM
Holy crap, I get to watch this game.

petegz28
05-09-2010, 01:40 PM
Mitch ****ing Maier

I think this kid has some real upside. I like his defense other than some lack of communication on fly balls, he has great range, he has a cannon for an arm. Just need to be more consistant at the plate. I'd be willing to give him a full season of starting (in pencil) depending on who is around him, at this point.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 01:41 PM
I'll be honest, Ankiel shouldn't start another game and just let mitch play out the year. We need to see what these guys can do, if he sucks oh well atleast we know. Ankiel Pods etc have zero future here

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 01:41 PM
Holy crap, I get to watch this game.

I'm sorry.

And Sure-Oz is right. Ankiel should never again see the field.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 01:42 PM
It is hilarious to listen to Denny brutally rip into a slow pitcher. That's pretty much the worst thing in the world to him, a pitcher who takes forever.

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-09-2010, 01:42 PM
Fire Trey, make Frank White the Manager like we should have 5 years ago and lets get this show on the fucking road.

I wouldn't mind White as manager, but not until Moore is gone. He'd be destined to fail with the garbage talent Dayton would give him

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 01:42 PM
Betancourt is money with RISP

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 01:43 PM
Fever: "Feldman is slow........and generally ineffective. And he strikes out Betancourt."

LMAO. Accurate quotation.

petegz28
05-09-2010, 01:43 PM
I wouldn't mind White as manager, but not until Moore is gone. He'd be destined to fail with the garbage talent Dayton would give him

Well, I half agree. I think Frank would just coach this team better, make better decisions and squeak out a few more wins we are not going to get because of Barnyard Trey Edwards. Plus, barring any glaring idiotic gametime decisions, you can eliminate the Manager position as a handicap with White at the wheel.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 01:45 PM
Fever: "Feldman is slow........and generally ineffective. And he strikes out Betancourt."

LMAO. Accurate quotation.

I miss the days of Rey Sanchez, atleast he could field

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-09-2010, 01:49 PM
WTF, Kendall

AndChiefs
05-09-2010, 01:49 PM
WTG Kendall.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 01:49 PM
3rd time that Kendall has interfered?

petegz28
05-09-2010, 01:50 PM
Well, Kendall half-ass redeems himself.

AndChiefs
05-09-2010, 01:50 PM
At least he kind of redeemed himself.

kstater
05-09-2010, 01:50 PM
Holy crap, he can throw someone out. Just have to be 10 feet closer to him.

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-09-2010, 01:51 PM
Well I'll be damned, decent throw that time

petegz28
05-09-2010, 01:53 PM
Maier certainly is doing a great job of earning a starting spot.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 01:54 PM
Maeir really hasnt gotten a chance to put up #'s. I mean Ibanez #s were horrible till he actually played. We have nothing to lose, and Rick came here to get a better contract later, which he wont get cause he sucks.

AndChiefs
05-09-2010, 01:55 PM
Maeir really hasnt gotten a chance to put up #'s. I mean Ibanez #s were horrible till he actually played. We have nothing to lose, and Rick came here to get a better contract later, which he wont get cause he sucks.

I've always thought Maier had a chance to be a solid contributor. I'd certainly be willing to give him a shot for the year.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 01:55 PM
Glad no one scored, because I have no idea if the run(s) would have been earned or not. I don't know whether catcher's interference is an implied out, or just an advance to first.

AndChiefs
05-09-2010, 01:56 PM
Glad no one scored, because I have no idea if the run(s) would have been earned or not. I don't know whether catcher's interference is an implied out, or just an advance to first.

It's listed as an error...i would think that would make it unearned if they score with 2 outs. But I don't know.

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-09-2010, 01:57 PM
Leadoff double, now bring him around

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 01:57 PM
Nice leadoff double DDJ

petegz28
05-09-2010, 01:57 PM
Glad no one scored, because I have no idea if the run(s) would have been earned or not. I don't know whether catcher's interference is an implied out, or just an advance to first.

I believe it is just an advance to 1st.

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-09-2010, 01:58 PM
Crap

alnorth
05-09-2010, 01:58 PM
It's listed as an error...i would think that would make it unearned if they score with 2 outs. But I don't know.

not necessarily. guy on first advances to third because of a throwing error on a hit, the run is still earned if the next guy hits a home run. The question is, had the catcher's interference not happened, do we assume he would have been out, or are we assuming nothing and saying an error let him advance one base (to first)

petegz28
05-09-2010, 01:58 PM
Oh you have got to be fucking kidding me!!!!!

kstater
05-09-2010, 01:58 PM
LMAO

Jenson71
05-09-2010, 01:59 PM
Damn pathetic bunting could piss Mother Teresa off.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 01:59 PM
Top 3rd

DeJesus doubles to left
Podsednik bunt pops out to pitcher
Butler flies out to right
Guillen walks
Callaspo flies out to right

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 3rd

Borbon hits an infield single to second
Andrus walks, Borbon to second
Young walks, Andrus to second, Borbon to third
Hamilton reaches on a 3-6 fielder's choice, Young out at second, Andrus to third, Borbon scores
Guerrero sacrifices (fly) to left, Hamilton to second *, Andrus scores
Kinsler hit by pitch
Hamilton steals third, Kinsler steals second
Murphy doubles to right, Hamilton and Kinsler scores

Brad Thompson relieves Hochevar

Smoak fouls out to third

4 runs, 2 hits

* Hamilton did not tag up at all when advancing to second, but the Royals did not appeal for the out.

petegz28
05-09-2010, 01:59 PM
not necessarily. guy on first advances to third because of a throwing error on a hit, the run is still earned if the next guy hits a home run. The question is, had the catcher's interference not happened, do we assume he would have been out, or are we assuming nothing and saying an error let him advance one base (to first)

Had he not hit the ball he is only awarded 1st base. It was a dead ball once interference was called. I think the earned vs unearned run depends on how the inning plays out.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:00 PM
Pods is not a good bunter

Jenson71
05-09-2010, 02:01 PM
I think Butler's a future HOFer, unless injury stops him.

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-09-2010, 02:01 PM
This is why you don't play smallball this early Trey

alnorth
05-09-2010, 02:02 PM
Had he not hit the ball he is only awarded 1st base. It was a dead ball once interference was called.

ya, if I had to make a guess on it, I'd have reached the same conclusion (advance to first, no implied outs wiped off the board).

I was just explaining to him a situation where an error doesnt lead to unearned runs.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:02 PM
This is ridiculous

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:02 PM
Another leadoff double about to get wasted

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:02 PM
I think Butler's a future HOFer, unless injury stops him.

Yup, he's a clutch hitter. Does well with RISP

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:02 PM
That ball was low

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 02:03 PM
Fever: "The Royals have proven they can get guys on base."

I'm not sure how to take this statement of stupidity.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:03 PM
Fever: "The Royals have proven they can get guys on base."

I'm not sure how to take this statement of stupidity.

Ryan is pretty stupid, this game was 0-0 at one time

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:04 PM
Fever: "The Royals have proven they can get guys on base."

I'm not sure how to take this statement of stupidity.

I think the context was, we can get on base but can't do shit once we do.

Jenson71
05-09-2010, 02:04 PM
Yup, he's a clutch hitter. Does well with RISP

:doh!:

But really we have five potential Hall of Famers on this team right now: Grienke, Soria, Butler, Aviles, and Callaspo. We need to be going places.

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-09-2010, 02:04 PM
Come on Guillen, earn some of that money

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:05 PM
Ryan is pretty stupid, this game was 0-0 at one time

I was out on a walk with the wife when he said it the other night. I had the headphones on and started cracking up. When I told her what he said she goes "well doesn't every game start 0-0?".

Jenson71
05-09-2010, 02:05 PM
And when I say "potential," I mean like the Angels could potentially win the Pennant in 1994 and the orphan could live with this dad again.

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:06 PM
:doh!:

But really we have five potential Hall of Famers on this team right now: Grienke, Soria, Butler, Aviles, and Callaspo. We need to be going places.

You're not serious are you?

Grienke, maybe, if he finds a team that could get him some wins.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 02:06 PM
I may be tempting fate, but I am fairly confident that we will win this game. Feldman is up to 61 pitches, the Ranger bullpen is bad, and Hochevar looks decent today.

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:06 PM
:doh!:

But really we have five potential Hall of Famers on this team right now: Grienke, Soria, Butler, Aviles, and Callaspo. We need to be going places.

More like we have 1 - 2 potential HOF'ers....Grienke and Butler. Soria......maybe.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:06 PM
I was out on a walk with the wife when he said it the other night. I had the headphones on and started cracking up. When I told her what he said she goes "well doesn't every game start 0-0?".

I'm pretty sure ryan thinks the games start in the negatives

Jenson71
05-09-2010, 02:08 PM
That a boy Guillen!

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 02:08 PM
I'm pretty sure ryan thinks the games start in the negatives

Hard to blame him.

AndChiefs
05-09-2010, 02:08 PM
Good at-bat by Guillen.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:09 PM
Guillen keep working up that trade value, C prospect here we come

Jenson71
05-09-2010, 02:09 PM
Future HALL OF FAMER CALLASPO1!!!

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:09 PM
I'm pretty sure ryan thinks the games start in the negatives

Well, after watching the Royals for so long I guess one could think the games start 4-0.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:09 PM
leadoff double to nothing

Jenson71
05-09-2010, 02:09 PM
Future HALL OF FAMER CALLASPO1!!!

Oh, a little shorter than I thought at first.

AndChiefs
05-09-2010, 02:09 PM
How many times do we get an out on the first pitch after a walk?

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:09 PM
Excellent discipline against a struggling pitcher.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:10 PM
Man i really hate the Royals commercials

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:12 PM
How many times do we get an out on the first pitch after a walk?

I have said this since Trey got here, he has no clue what the "take" sign means. In fact, I think it isn't even in our playbook.

Like last year after Bloomy walked on 4 pitches and Trey has Maier put down a bunt on the 1st pitch in the bottom of the 1st.

Jenson71
05-09-2010, 02:12 PM
Oh, Aviles, cmon man.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:15 PM
I really wonder what Trey could possibly say to luke right now

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:15 PM
wtf did joel goldberg say

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:18 PM
I really wonder what Trey could possibly say to luke right now

He just wanted to see his eyes.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:19 PM
I love our #1 pick

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:19 PM
alnorth, I think you tempted fate and fate is about to win

Jenson71
05-09-2010, 02:20 PM
Not going Home on that one?

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:21 PM
Not going Home on that one?

hit way to slow and we were playing back anyway.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 02:21 PM
<del>I may be tempting fate, but </del>I am fairly confident that we will <del>win</del> lose this game. <del>Feldman</del> Luke is up to 61 pitches, the <del>Ranger</del> bullpen is bad, and <del>Hochevar</del> the Ranger hitters look decent today.

FMP

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:21 PM
tie game.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:21 PM
LOL pods with the cannon and kendall with a great catch

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:21 PM
Im pretty confident that luke is our kyle davies of the future

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:22 PM
That's the way, Luke...if you're gonna walk someone nail em!

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:22 PM
Hamilton never tagged, no one is paying attention on the royals???

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:23 PM
Ok, classic coaching breakdown. None of the coaches saw that Hamilton not tag???

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:23 PM
How does billy miss that? fundamentals fucking bs

Demonpenz
05-09-2010, 02:24 PM
we can't even get the coaches or players to play correctly. how can we expect them to make sure the other team plays correctly

Jenson71
05-09-2010, 02:24 PM
oh shoot man

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:24 PM
How does billy miss that? fundamentals ****ing bs

Total fucking meltdown. We should have been out of the inning, instead it's 4-2.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:24 PM
Wow, we appeal and none of this shit happens...i hope someone fucking pays for that

AndChiefs
05-09-2010, 02:24 PM
4 runs on 2 hits...Royals baseball.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:26 PM
The whole team including the coaches missed that, that is fucking horrible

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:27 PM
2.2 ip, hochevar is a waste of space

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:29 PM
The whole team including the coaches missed that, that is ****ing horrible

I cannot believe it, still. I mean seriously. That is little league shit. Yes, Butler should have caught it but that is a coaching breakdown and a half. WTF are these guys watching?

I have never seen a team with head in ass syndrome as bad as this one. Trey should be fired NOW! And every other fucking coach along with him. That was fucking pathetic. And it cost us 2 runs. What a fucking moronic jackoff.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 02:30 PM
Top 4th

Aviles homers to left
Kendall grounds out to shortstop
Maier singles to center
Maier steals second
Betancourt doubles to left, Maier scores
DeJesus flies out to left
Podsednik strikes out (looking)

2 runs, 3 hits

Bottom 4th

Ramirez walks
Borbon singles to left, Ramirez to second
Andrus sacrifices (bunt) to catcher 2-4, Borbon to second, Ramirez to third
Young strikes out (looking)
Hamilton strikes out (looking)

0 runs, 1 hit

petegz28
05-09-2010, 02:31 PM
Should be 3-2 Royals, but Barnyard Trey wasn't having any of it.

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:31 PM
LMAO

AndChiefs
05-09-2010, 02:32 PM
Why didn't they want to start Aviles again?

Kraus
05-09-2010, 02:32 PM
Aviles with the homer!

Reaper16
05-09-2010, 02:33 PM
Did Luke really need to get pulled before 3 innings considering the apparant 1B fuckup? I'm not able to watch the game, so I'm sincerely asking.

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:33 PM
I wish you could hear the Texas announcers for FSN. "The Royals are really good at hitting foul balls".

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:34 PM
Did Luke really need to get pulled before 3 innings considering the apparant 1B fuckup? I'm not able to watch the game, so I'm sincerely asking.

Bullpen's well rested after letting Meche throw 190 pitches last night.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 02:35 PM
Did Luke really need to get pulled before 3 innings considering the apparant 1B ****up? I'm not able to watch the game, so I'm sincerely asking.

Sometimes Edwards makes decisions so that he can get on TV.

As Fever praises Kendall's groundout.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:36 PM
Kendall had a quality ab, hes here to run up pitch counts/fever

alnorth
05-09-2010, 02:37 PM
I dont have TV and Bob Davis is clueless. Did Hamilton seriously not tag up and everyone on our damn team missed it?

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:39 PM
I dont have TV and Bob Davis is clueless. Did Hamilton seriously not tag up and everyone on our damn team missed it?

Yes, the whole team didn't notice

Kraus
05-09-2010, 02:39 PM
I dont have TV and Bob Davis is clueless. Did Hamilton seriously not tag up and everyone on our damn team missed it?

Yes.

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:40 PM
Two quick pop ups coming.

Kraus
05-09-2010, 02:41 PM
Tie game.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:41 PM
Betancourt earns another 20 starts/trey

Demonpenz
05-09-2010, 02:41 PM
Hamelton acted like that ball was the front door of rehab

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 02:41 PM
Did he not tag, period, or did the runner leave early?

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:41 PM
Hey this production's nice. They know Greinke isn't on the mound.

AndChiefs
05-09-2010, 02:42 PM
And Hochevar avoids the loss again.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 02:42 PM
Is it still possible for us to avoid the Hochevar selection? Cause that was stupid at the time, too.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:43 PM
Did he not tag, period, or did the runner leave early?

He stayed in between 1st and second and once the ball was caught just started running to 2nd....never went back

alnorth
05-09-2010, 02:43 PM
Did he not tag, period, or did the runner leave early?

I'd like to know the answer to this. If he left a little early thats one thing, but if he didnt tag up at all, thats damn near unforgivable.

Demonpenz
05-09-2010, 02:43 PM
Did he not tag, period, or did the runner leave early?

Hamilton went halfway and when they threw up Hamilton scooted to second

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:44 PM
Hamelton acted like that ball was the front door of rehab

LMAO

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:45 PM
Pods takes alot of 3 strike pitches

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:45 PM
How's the view Scott?

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 02:45 PM
He stayed in between 1st and second and once the ball was caught just started running to 2nd....never went back

Wow.

I don't know what else to say. Maybe...fire everyone involved in any aspect of coaching and management?

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:47 PM
Wow.

I don't know what else to say. Maybe...fire everyone involved in any aspect of coaching and management?

You'd think the rangers dugout would be yelling for him to go back and someone would've heard.

FAIL

alnorth
05-09-2010, 02:47 PM
Crow and Hosmer's days are done. Hosmer had a nice day, Crow had a horrific line.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 02:47 PM
That will need to make the list of all-time embarrassing moments for the club. Ken Harvey will, of course, read the top-ten list.

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:48 PM
They apparently changed the Maier SB to a wild pitch. Wasn't that pitch just a little outside?

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:49 PM
That will need to make the list of all-time embarrassing moments for the club. Ken Harvey will, of course, read the top-ten list.

My all time favorite harvey moment....going to the tbones game last year and he got an infield single flopping belly first to 1b. He then got hurt and layed for 15 min and walked off the field to the parking lot, never to be seen again. It was like field of dreams shit

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:50 PM
No reason to keep it a tie game.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 02:51 PM
Yeah, Fever, I'm sure the Rangers will lay down the sac...

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:51 PM
Why the fuck was Betencourt faking a double play throw? There wasn't an infielder within 10 feet of making a play on the ball.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 02:51 PM
Yeah, Fever, I'm sure the Rangers will lay down the sac...

FAIL!

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:52 PM
LMAO no one at 3b?

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:52 PM
Cue the Benny Hill music. 101 shit there.

kstater
05-09-2010, 02:54 PM
Hell of a gift there

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 02:55 PM
Hamilton swinging at shit that gordon swings at

alnorth
05-09-2010, 02:59 PM
Top 5th

Doug Mathis relieves Feldman

Butler walks
Guillen grounds into a 5-4-3 double play, Butler out at second
Callaspo grounds out to second

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 5th

Guerrero grounds out to shortstop
Kinsler flies out to center
Murphy singles to center
Smoak singles to center, Murphy to second
Ramirez doubles to center, Smoak to third, Murphy scores

Robinson Tejeda relieves Thompson

Borbon flies out to right

1 run, 3 hits

WilliamTheIrish
05-09-2010, 03:04 PM
Wow.

I don't know what else to say. Maybe...fire everyone involved in any aspect of coaching and management?

I thought I'd seen it all when we had a runner thrown out on a FC at home in the Fenz.

This franchise is an auto-immune disease. Like a flesh eating virus. Just slowly killing itself, but taking over 20 years and two generations with it.

kstater
05-09-2010, 03:15 PM
LMAO

kstater
05-09-2010, 03:15 PM
WTF is Hillman doing?

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:16 PM
Hillman is trying to set a series record for most times arguing without being tossed.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:16 PM
I think Trey asked him what inning it was....wtf is the point of going out there to be a little bitch. get tossed throw shit, show some fire you man pussy

kstater
05-09-2010, 03:17 PM
Hillman is trying to set a series record for most times arguing without being tossed.

To be fair, it's hard to get tossed when you run out there and do nothing but stare at the umpire.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:18 PM
To be fair, it's hard to get tossed when you run out there and do nothing but stare at the umpire.

LMAO

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:20 PM
To be fair, it's hard to get tossed when you run out there and do nothing but stare at the umpire.

In double fairness, Trey won't really know if the umpire is telling the truth unless he looks him in the eye. /Meche

alnorth
05-09-2010, 03:22 PM
Top 6th

Aviles singles to center
Aviles caught stealing 2-4, out at second
Kendall singles to left
Maier flies out to right
Betancourt flies out to right

0 runs, 2 hits

Bottom 6th

Andrus flies out to right
Young singles to center
Hamilton reaches on a 6-4 fielder's choice, Young out at second
Guerrero strikes out (looking)

0 runs, 1 hit

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:24 PM
Bunt!

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:24 PM
LMAO

wtf

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-09-2010, 03:24 PM
WTF Kendall

Die already

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:24 PM
LMAO.

"Picked off" trying to steal second, Joel?

kstater
05-09-2010, 03:24 PM
LMAO

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:25 PM
LMAO.

"Picked off" trying to steal second, Joel?

Joel had no clue wtf just happend.

a fucking flying pink bat

kstater
05-09-2010, 03:25 PM
He almost got thrown out by the bat.

kstater
05-09-2010, 03:25 PM
I'm not a ball player, but I'm pretty sure I know what the first rule of a hit and run is.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:25 PM
That's HR pop from Kendall. Dude should be credited a run.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:26 PM
I'm not a ball player, but I'm pretty sure I know what the first rule of a hit and run is.

Swing, unless it's in the dirt. If it's way outside, throw your bat.

Kendall did his job.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 03:26 PM
Well, crap. That was a lot of bad luck. hit and run, Kendall is in a "must make contact" situation, the pitch was way outside, then he gets a hit.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:27 PM
Swing, unless it's in the dirt. If it's way outside, throw your bat.

Kendall did his job.

He's a ball player /treyton mooreman

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:28 PM
Will Moore have to personally pay back the money he used to sign Ankiel?

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:28 PM
Why didn't Kendall advance? /Hillman

alnorth
05-09-2010, 03:29 PM
Hey Trey, why are you guys going back to first? Apparently the Texas base runners dont have to tag up.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 03:30 PM
Moustakas is done. He was in DH today, went 1/4

alnorth
05-09-2010, 03:37 PM
For some reason, the official scorer has changed his mind about the catcher's interference in the second inning, and credited Murphy with an infield single to pitcher. :spock:

So, did the umpire not call interference?

BWillie
05-09-2010, 03:38 PM
haha. Hochevar still sucks.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:38 PM
For some reason, the official scorer has changed his mind about the catcher's interference in the second inning, and credited Murphy with an infield single to pitcher. :spock:

So, did the umpire not call interference?

He signaled something. Apparently, he was signaling "fair ball"--this is what Fever said.

Which makes absolutely no sense, but, whatever.

kstater
05-09-2010, 03:38 PM
For some reason, the official scorer has changed his mind about the catcher's interference in the second inning, and credited Murphy with an infield single to pitcher. :spock:

So, did the umpire not call interference?

The Rangers announcers have been all over this multiple times. If CI is called, a hit can still occur. They can score it as the best possible outcome. Since he made contact on with the ball, and it stayed in play, it was a hit.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:39 PM
haha. Hochevar still sucks.

Of course he sucks. The only sane person whom I "know" who thinks otherwise is tk13.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 03:42 PM
Top 7th

Darren Oliver relieves Mathis

DeJesus grounds out to pitcher
Podsednik strikes out (swinging)
Butler grounds out to third

0 runs, 0 hits

Kinsler strikes out (swinging)
Murphy flies out to right
Smoak flies out to left

0 runs, 0 hits

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:42 PM
LMAO.

kstater
05-09-2010, 03:43 PM
Heh

kstater
05-09-2010, 03:44 PM
Need a baserunner. I think it's time to call a drag bunt.

BWillie
05-09-2010, 03:46 PM
Looking ahead to 2011...

CF - David Dejesus
3B - Alberto Callaspo
DH - Billy Butler
LF - Mike Moustakas
1B - Eric Hosmer
C - Victor Martinez (free agent)
2B - Mike Aviles
RF - Alex Gordon
SS - Anybody but Yuneski, I don't care

Zach Greinke
Luke Hochevar
Mike Montgomery
Aaron Crow
Brian Bannister/Gil Meche (not sure when Gil's contract is up)

Bruce Chen
Kyle Davies
Joakim Soria

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:46 PM
Yeah, uh, that lineup is not at all accurate.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:47 PM
If he does really, really well this year and next, Moose might get a cup of coffee in Sept. in '11.

kstater
05-09-2010, 03:47 PM
Nothing like a big looping slider over the meat of the plate to miss on.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 03:48 PM
Hosmer is also at least 2.5 years away.

BWillie
05-09-2010, 03:49 PM
Hosmer is also at least 2.5 years away.

I know. That is just the hope line up. I think Moose could be ready next year, only if he continues to rake this year and he gets up to AAA. Hosmer, you are probably right.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:49 PM
Gordon in RF LMAO

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:50 PM
I know. That is just the hope line up. I think Moose could be ready next year, only if he continues to rake this year and he gets up to AAA. Hosmer, you are probably right.

Moose is our 3botf

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 03:50 PM
I know. That is just the hope line up. I think Moose could be ready next year, only if he continues to rake this year and he gets up to AAA. Hosmer, you are probably right.

We could barely get a piece of shit like Kendall to sign here, so I guarantee we could not land VM.

And Gordon will be cut/traded, and Montgomery is not that close, either.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:51 PM
I cut dallas braden 2 days ago

wtf

BWillie
05-09-2010, 03:51 PM
We could barely get a piece of shit like Kendall to sign here, so I guarantee we could not land VM.

And Gordon will be cut/traded, and Montgomery is not that close, either.

What are you talking about. Jason Kendall is a superstar.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:52 PM
MILF

BWillie
05-09-2010, 03:52 PM
I cut dallas braden 2 days ago

wtf

Am I the only one who thinks Dallas Braden is a whiney bitch?

alnorth
05-09-2010, 03:52 PM
If your wondering why we dont have promising prospects in AAA ready to come up swinging next year, well... we had terrible drafts a few years ago so the high minors are barren. We hope we had good drafts the last couple years, but we wont get anything from that till 2012-2013.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:53 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Dallas Braden is a whiney bitch?

I don't mind him being a whiney bitch to gayrod, but yes he is whiney

BWillie
05-09-2010, 03:54 PM
I don't mind him being a whiney bitch to gayrod, but yes he is whiney

I don't like ARod, but I'd like to see Braden plunk him and ARod beat his ass.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 03:57 PM
Top 8th

Matt Treanor replaces Ramirez at C

Darren O'Day relieves Oliver

Guillen grounds out to second
Callaspo grounds out to second
Aviles grounds out to second

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 8th

Treanor pops out to second
Borbon flies out to left
Andrus hits an infield single to second
Andrus to second on an Error by P
Young singles to right, Andrus scores, Young out at first 9-3-6-2

1 run, 2 hits, 1 error

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 03:58 PM
I don't like ARod, but I'd like to see Braden plunk him and ARod beat his ass.

that would be entertainment

kstater
05-09-2010, 04:14 PM
ROFL they tried fucking that up.

banyon
05-09-2010, 04:16 PM
Perfect game complete.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 04:18 PM
Grass should count as a Kendall HR.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 04:20 PM
Perfect game complete.

...and the Royals have never had one of those.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 04:20 PM
Top 9th

Neftali Feliz relieves O'Day

Kendall pops out to shortstop
Maier flies out to center
Betancourt fouls out to first

0 runs, 0 hits

Rangers win, 6-4

banyon
05-09-2010, 04:22 PM
...and the Royals have never had one of those.

Ever? Geez. Cone had a couple of no hitters, though, right?

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 04:24 PM
Ever? Geez. Cone had a couple of no hitters, though, right?

One, right? For the Royals, that is.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 04:28 PM
Ever? Geez. Cone had a couple of no hitters, though, right?

On 2nd thought, perfect Games are incredibly rare. There is no shame for a franchise to not have one, Oakland is lucky to now have 2.

In modern baseball history (since 1900) there have been 17 perfect games... EVER. The Yankees only have 3, and some of the best legendary pitchers in history never had one.

edit: David Cone did have a perfect game.... for the Yankees.

gblowfish
05-09-2010, 04:28 PM
11 and 21, almost to a lose 2 out of every 3 record. Great.

kstater
05-09-2010, 04:28 PM
One, right? For the Royals, that is.

Cone never had one as a Royal. Busby 2(73 and 74), Colborn 77, Saberhagen 91

alnorth
05-09-2010, 04:36 PM
Perfect Games in the Modern Era

May 5, 1904: Cy Young (BOS)
October 2, 1908: Addie Joss (CLE)

For the next 14 years, nothing

April 30, 1922: Charlie Robertson (CWS)

For the next 34 years, nothing

October 8, 1956: Don Larsen (NYY) in game 5 of the world series
June 21, 1964: Jim Bunning (PHI)
September 9, 1965: Sandy Koufax (LAD)
May 8, 1968: Catfish Hunter (OAK)

For the next 13 years, nothing

May 15, 1981: Len Barker (CLE)
September 30, 1984: Mike Witt (CAL)
September 16, 1988: Tom Browning (CIN)
July 28, 1991: Dennis Martinez (MON)
July 28, 1994: Kenny Rogers (TEX)
May 17, 1998: David Wells (NYY)
July 18, 1999: David Cone (NYY)
May 18, 2004: Randy Johnson (ARI)
July 23, 2009: Mark Buehrle (CWS)
May 9, 2010: Dallas Braden (OAK)

black angus
05-09-2010, 04:43 PM
Cone never had one as a Royal. Busby 2(73 and 74), Colborn 77, Saberhagen 91

Steve Busby is my favorite all time Royals pitcher. He had 22 wins in 74. When he pitched the Royals usually won. It was a shame when he tore his rorator cuff, he would have been one of the all time greats IMO.

Douche Baggins
05-09-2010, 04:45 PM
Haha, oh man. I didn't even watch the game. Sorry guys.

kstater
05-09-2010, 04:47 PM
FTR, I fully expect Zack to pitch no hitter into a 0-0 game only to see Hillman pull him for Farnsworth in the 10th to save his arm.

alnorth
05-09-2010, 04:49 PM
FTR, I fully expect Zack to pitch no hitter into a 0-0 game only to see Hillman pull him for Farnsworth in the 10th to save his arm.

Thats like the exact opposite of what he'd do. Hillman would keep him in at 165 pitches in the 16th inning because of a no-hitter.

petegz28
05-09-2010, 05:01 PM
Did he not tag, period, or did the runner leave early?

He didn't tag. Never even made an effort to go back to the bag. What should have been a play where Hamilton looked like a total dumbass and got an asschewing from the coach ended up showing that were were the more stupid of the two.

petegz28
05-09-2010, 05:07 PM
For some reason, the official scorer has changed his mind about the catcher's interference in the second inning, and credited Murphy with an infield single to pitcher. :spock:

So, did the umpire not call interference?

Ump called interference. Not sure how they can change that?

alnorth
05-09-2010, 05:48 PM
Ump called interference. Not sure how they can change that?

someone else answered for me.

Apparently this is one of those obscure scoring rules (you learn something every month or two if you watch baseball often enough)

If you have catcher's interference where the batter still somehow hit the ball, then you score it as a hit (score the best outcome). I would have thought "too bad, you didn't get a hit, its interference", but I guess the scoring rules say that if the batter is put out, you have the option to either take the interference penalty, or waive it if the play resulted in a better outcome. If the batter gets a hit or reaches on an error despite the interference, the interference is ignored.

In this case, despite the interference, the batter still managed to hit an infield single to pitcher, so the interference was ignored.

rule 6.08 (c) and comment:

6.08

The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when --

(c) The catcher or any fielder interferes with him. If a play follows the interference, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to decline the interference penalty and accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference.

Rule 6.08(c) Comment: If catcher’s interference is called with a play in progress the umpire will allow the play to continue because the manager may elect to take the play. If the batter-runner missed first base, or a runner misses his next base, he shall be considered as having reached the base, as stated in Note of Rule 7.04(d). Examples of plays the manager might elect to take:
1. Runner on third, one out, batter hits fly ball to the outfield on which the runner scores but catcher’s interference was called. The offensive manager may elect to take the run and have batter called out or have runner remain at third and batter awarded first base.
2. Runner on second base. Catcher interferes with batter as he bunts ball fairly sending runner to third base. The manager may rather have runner on third base with an out on the play than have runners on second and first.

thurman merman
05-09-2010, 05:57 PM
Does anyone keep official stats on shitty bunts? I'm pretty sure Podsednik has at least six or seven this year.

|Zach|
05-09-2010, 06:26 PM
Have not spent a dime on this team this season or last season.

Talk about no regrets.

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2010/05/07/22/841-947Royals_Rangers_Baseball.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.81.jpg

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 06:27 PM
I had a chance to get in on a 9 game package, i didn't though. I will probably go to a few games, mainly cause i enjoy the company im with and have a pretty good time win or lose at the game. I just hope the royals start building a winner soon

alnorth
05-09-2010, 06:33 PM
in case anyone was curious, it looks like no one in the Royals bench is taking the blame for not appealing the 3rd out in the 3rd.

Hamilton went to second on Guerrero's fly ball, and after the game Hillman said Hamilton never tagged up. But none of Royals players on the field tried to appeal the play, and Hamilton remained at second.

Hamilton and Ian Kinsler later scored on Murphy's double.

" I had no clue,'' Kansas City first baseman Billy Butler said. " I didn't see it. Obviously I'm embarrassed about it now. I was watching the play in front of me. I didn't pick up on it. That's my priority. That's on me."

From that quote it seems Hillman is saying he knew he didnt tag up. Did it ever occur to him to scream at his players before the next pitch is thrown? At the worst, maybe Hamilton realizes what he did and scrambles back to first while the Royal players are staring blankly back at their manager.

The only way Hillman is completely blameless is if he was yelling at his players, who turned a completely deaf ear to him, and the pitcher hurried on back up to the mound and threw another pitch.

Bowser
05-09-2010, 06:34 PM
This team is a joke, from top to bottom.

Reaper16
05-09-2010, 06:35 PM
Have not spent a dime on this team this season or last season.

Talk about no regrets.

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2010/05/07/22/841-947Royals_Rangers_Baseball.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.81.jpg
Really? Aren't you always on that whole "Be positive! Support your sports teams! Ridicule anyone who doesn't!" trip? Why stop for the Royals but not the Chiefs?

alnorth
05-09-2010, 06:37 PM
Just got done with the obligatory phone call to mom. She was asking why the Royals were bad, and when she can hope again for a winner. I explained to her who Dayton Moore was and told her that when he is fired, then we can have some hope.

|Zach|
05-09-2010, 06:44 PM
Really? Aren't you always on that whole "Be positive! Support your sports teams! Ridicule anyone who doesn't!" trip? Why stop for the Royals but not the Chiefs?

Your constant mischaracterization of my points through multiple online channels grows tiresome.

Reaper16
05-09-2010, 07:10 PM
Your constant mischaracterization of my points through multiple online channels grows tiresome.
I'm quite sure it feel tiresome. That's the entire purpose of why I've been doing to you what you've been doing to me: constant mischaracterization.

|Zach|
05-09-2010, 07:34 PM
I'm quite sure it feel tiresome. That's the entire purpose of why I've been doing to you what you've been doing to me: constant mischaracterization.

I actually talked and showed examples of your need to not be happy about things. Making it clear it matters little whether your teams do well or bad...

It showed itself when the US beat Spain in the confederation cup.
It shows itself all the time in NWMS talk.

It showed itself before the season in a thread when you said being a Bearcat fan was worse than being a Chiefs or Cubs fan. A team that won 2 national titles at the end of the 90's and at the time was revving up its season to win a 3rd.

I once posted a thread showing video from a winning playoff game on the way to ANOTHER national title and this was the first part of your comment to an awesome video of your team winning.

"Thanks for rubbing it in that we went to a shitty prevent defense at the very end and let Central Washington score what would have been the game-tying TD in about one minute's worth of time."

Yet you are so divorced from reality you believe being a fan of all of that is worse than being a fan of the Cubs or Chiefs.

Then on the heels of the US Soccer team having one of its best wins in history...a pretty big step...they drop a game later and its full blown negative drama queen time.

Baby Lee wrapped it up pretty well in that thread.

What are you, 10? You have no idea how competitive sports works.

The Chiefs have obviously been down...way down...they deserve all kinds of criticism they get. That is why I have no problem with people who are negative. How could I possibly do that with all the people on this board? I do have a problem with people who are so deluded as to think that the Chiefs being a good team would change their rhetoric. It doesn't matter what the teams do. You guys will do what you do. Which is fine...but lets just go ahead and call it what it is.

Reaper16
05-09-2010, 08:05 PM
I actually talked and showed examples of your need to not be happy about things. Making it clear it matters little whether your teams do well or bad...

It showed itself when the US beat Spain in the confederation cup.
It shows itself all the time in NWMS talk.

It showed itself before the season in a thread when you said being a Bearcat fan was worse than being a Chiefs or Cubs fan. A team that won 2 national titles at the end of the 90's and at the time was revving up its season to win a 3rd.

I once posted a thread showing video from a winning playoff game on the way to ANOTHER national title and this was the first part of your comment to an awesome video of your team winning.

"Thanks for rubbing it in that we went to a shitty prevent defense at the very end and let Central Washington score what would have been the game-tying TD in about one minute's worth of time."

Yet you are so divorced from reality you believe being a fan of all of that is worse than being a fan of the Cubs or Chiefs.

Then on the heels of the US Soccer team having one of its best wins in history...a pretty big step...they drop a game later and its full blown negative drama queen time.

Baby Lee wrapped it up pretty well in that thread.



The Chiefs have obviously been down...way down...they deserve all kinds of criticism they get. That is why I have no problem with people who are negative. How could I possibly do that with all the people on this board? I do have a problem with people who are so deluded as to think that the Chiefs being a good team would change their rhetoric. It doesn't matter what the teams do. You guys will do what you do. Which is fine...but lets just go ahead and call it what it is.
I don't have perfect recollection of the contexts of the posts that you are remembering/perhaps misremembering. I'm not going to look up these posts since you didn't.

I remember stating that it was worse to suffer 4 consecutive 2nd place finishes than being a Cubs fan but I also remember limiting that kind of disappointment to NW fans who are like me in that I experienced basically no feelings whatsoever about NW's first two national titles. I mean, some people have a little better time with the Royals because they got to see a World Series almost 25 years ago. I wasn't a fan of the Royals then (because I wasn't born) so I don't get to have any of that potential balancing. You're either misremembering or mischaracterizing.

As for the Central Washington game, well, it isn't like I said anything that wasn't true. The Bearcats were not underdogs last season. They were the favorites to win it all. And they nearly pissed it away against Central Washington. My reaction (which I wasn't alone in amongst Bearcat fans) was applying that last drive - the coaching errors, the mental mistakes -- to the possibility that such things could surface again in other playoff games. Me being a sports worry-wort does not constitute a need to be unhappy (which is your claim about me).

As for the loss to Brazil where the team let the win slip away from them, I don't remember posting anything constituting "full blown negative drama queen time." I probably posted something hyperbolic but I'll stand by the idea that a letting a dominant 2-0 halftime lead turn into a 3-2 loss, something of the soccer equivalent of the Thigpen-led 2008 Chiefs offense given that the U.S. making small adjustments to Brazil's second-half strategy or basically playing not-terribly in the second half might have changed the outcome, was a disappointment. But I am willing to cede points on soccer to people who really follow soccer; I can't really call U.S. Soccer as "one of my teams" with any sense of honesty.

Ultimately I think your analysis of me is about as far removed from the truth as it could possibly be. Few people self-analyze or critique themselves as harshly as I do and I don't see this need to be unhappy. I mean, shit, if you would ever watch a sports game with me you'd see lots of emotions: you'd see some bitching and you'd see lots of analyzation and you might see some sullen remarks if it was a Royals game and you'd see me excited, high-five-giving, happy with positive plays, positive outcomes for my teams.

If I am to be charitable with you here, I'd say that you are apt to confuse worry in the heat of intense games/series/etc with unhappiness (and, on the flip-side, an easy-going, "its all right" attidude during games with happiness?). If I am to be uncharitable with you here, I'd say that you have one definition of what it means to be a "happy" sports fan and that it happens to overlap with how you engage with sports. I'd prefer to be charitable with you.

petegz28
05-09-2010, 08:11 PM
in case anyone was curious, it looks like no one in the Royals bench is taking the blame for not appealing the 3rd out in the 3rd.



From that quote it seems Hillman is saying he knew he didnt tag up. Did it ever occur to him to scream at his players before the next pitch is thrown? At the worst, maybe Hamilton realizes what he did and scrambles back to first while the Royal players are staring blankly back at their manager.

The only way Hillman is completely blameless is if he was yelling at his players, who turned a completely deaf ear to him, and the pitcher hurried on back up to the mound and threw another pitch.

Total horseshit!!! Props to Billay for taking the blame but there is absolutely no fucking excuse for Hillman not too as well. And for him to say he knew the guy didn't tag but did nothing about it makes him even WORSE than Herman Edwards in my book.

DeezNutz
05-09-2010, 08:13 PM
Just got done with the obligatory phone call to mom. She was asking why the Royals were bad, and when she can hope again for a winner. I explained to her who Dayton Moore was and told her that when he is fired, then we can have some hope.

Hi Mom! Happy Mother's Day! Yep, that's right...it's hopeless!

|Zach|
05-09-2010, 08:26 PM
I don't have perfect recollection of the contexts of the posts that you are remembering/perhaps misremembering. I'm not going to look up these posts since you didn't.

I remember stating that it was worse to suffer 4 consecutive 2nd place finishes than being a Cubs fan but I also remember limiting that kind of disappointment to NW fans who are like me in that I experienced basically no feelings whatsoever about NW's first two national titles. I mean, some people have a little better time with the Royals because they got to see a World Series almost 25 years ago. I wasn't a fan of the Royals then (because I wasn't born) so I don't get to have any of that potential balancing. You're either misremembering or mischaracterizing.

As for the Central Washington game, well, it isn't like I said anything that wasn't true. The Bearcats were not underdogs last season. They were the favorites to win it all. And they nearly pissed it away against Central Washington. My reaction (which I wasn't alone in amongst Bearcat fans) was applying that last drive - the coaching errors, the mental mistakes -- to the possibility that such things could surface again in other playoff games. Me being a sports worry-wort does not constitute a need to be unhappy (which is your claim about me).

As for the loss to Brazil where the team let the win slip away from them, I don't remember posting anything constituting "full blown negative drama queen time." I probably posted something hyperbolic but I'll stand by the idea that a letting a dominant 2-0 halftime lead turn into a 3-2 loss, something of the soccer equivalent of the Thigpen-led 2008 Chiefs offense given that the U.S. making small adjustments to Brazil's second-half strategy or basically playing not-terribly in the second half might have changed the outcome, was a disappointment. But I am willing to cede points on soccer to people who really follow soccer; I can't really call U.S. Soccer as "one of my teams" with any sense of honesty.

Ultimately I think your analysis of me is about as far removed from the truth as it could possibly be. Few people self-analyze or critique themselves as harshly as I do and I don't see this need to be unhappy. I mean, shit, if you would ever watch a sports game with me you'd see lots of emotions: you'd see some bitching and you'd see lots of analyzation and you might see some sullen remarks if it was a Royals game and you'd see me excited, high-five-giving, happy with positive plays, positive outcomes for my teams.

If I am to be charitable with you here, I'd say that you are apt to confuse worry in the heat of intense games/series/etc with unhappiness (and, on the flip-side, an easy-going, "its all right" attidude during games with happiness?). If I am to be uncharitable with you here, I'd say that you have one definition of what it means to be a "happy" sports fan and that it happens to overlap with how you engage with sports. I'd prefer to be charitable with you.
I actually pointed out examples why I am NOT mischaracterizing you. You may disagree with them thats fine. It isn't hard to rationalize almost anything. However my thoughts towards you are not based on complete fantasy like your weak "omg dont you are talking negative about a team i thought you couldn't be negative" dribble you throw out.

Obviously I am not the only one who has seen this and engaged you on it. We can agree to disagree, that is fine. I just think it is funny that you are throwing shit against the wall at me hoping it sticks while I am throwing specifics in your face.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5869089&postcount=431

At the end of the day you felt being the fan of a team that had two national titles recently and was on their way to winning another was comparable to being a Chiefs fan who hasn't won a playoff game since 93 or a Cubs fan who have NEVER won a championship. I don't expect you to agree with any of this but I will continue to laugh at your disconnect from reality when I see it.

Reaper16
05-09-2010, 08:49 PM
I actually pointed out examples why I am NOT mischaracterizing you. You may disagree with them thats fine. It isn't hard to rationalize almost anything. However my thoughts towards you are not based on complete fantasy like your weak "omg dont you are talking negative about a team i thought you couldn't be negative" dribble you throw out.

Obviously I am not the only one who has seen this and engaged you on it. We can agree to disagree, that is fine. I just think it is funny that you are throwing shit against the wall at me hoping it sticks while I am throwing specifics in your face.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5869089&postcount=431

At the end of the day you felt being the fan of a team that had two national titles recently and was on their way to winning another was comparable to being a Chiefs fan who hasn't won a playoff game since 93 or a Cubs fan who have NEVER won a championship. I don't expect you to agree with any of this but I will continue to laugh at your disconnect from reality when I see it.

Allow me to provide context. Context is important, especially because it shows how you are, indeed, mischaracterizing things re: me. The following list of quotes are all the relevant posts regarding the Cubs/Northwest Bearcats tangent that we were on:
The Chiefs have never gotten close enough, actually. More of a Cubs/Memphis thing.

& Northwest Missouri State Bearcats. :(

What? The team that has won all those football championships?

Apples and oranges?

Well, they have two championships. '98 & '99.

You don't know the pain of 4 consecutive national championship losses, though. I do. It blows.

Still, that doesn't compare in the least to Chiefs Cubs...other comparisons.

Its worse in some ways.

You're crazy.

Your posts speak for themselves. I don't have to distort anything.

You prob didn't actually play sports. I would bet you didn't. There is nothing wrong with that but it would explain a whole lot.

They don't say what you think they say, that's for sure.

On point number one: not a single one of my posts intimate that U.S. soccer is shit for not winning. Not a single one.

On point number two: a direct comparison between NWMSU & teams that haven't won in a long time (like the Chiefs or Cubs) was never made by me. Here's a brief timeline of how you may have come to misunderstand me:
1. UP posts that she's used to results like this.
2. Someone else replies 'yeah, we're Chiefs fans.'
3. UP says that its more of a Cubs/memphis thing for her.
4. I add my own frustrations with NWMSU's close-but-no-cigar-ness.

Now, you didn't think about how the Memphis part of UP's post fits in with my mention of NWMSU. Memphis has a recent runner-up finish, and has had high seeds for the past few years.

That is where your replies to me end. And they end because you had been refuted. I brought up Northwest out of solidarity to UP's mention of Memphis. Never was it said that being a Northwest fan was as painful or more than being a Cubs fan; contextually it is evident that I never spoke to the totality of fan experience for both fanbases. It was said that the pain of 4 straight losses is worse "in some ways" (which is an arguable point, I think).

Other quibbles: you say that "obviously" you're not the only one who has seen this and engaged with me on it. Who else? If you're referring to Baby Lee then we spent numerous posts giving back-and-forth working out of a problematic analogy before realizing that we actually held the same position.

So, um, yeah.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 08:51 PM
This is definetly the perfect type of thread for personal spats

Reaper16
05-09-2010, 08:53 PM
This is definetly the perfect type of thread for personal spats
Well thanks to the team the thread isn't much good for having fun discussion about baseball, so... :p

LetsSignRussell
05-09-2010, 08:54 PM
cant we all be friends?

Reaper16
05-09-2010, 08:55 PM
cant we all be friends?
Yes.

Sure-Oz
05-09-2010, 09:30 PM
Well thanks to the team the thread isn't much good for having fun discussion about baseball, so... :p

If the royals were winning maybe we dont have this conversation, Royals fail

Demonpenz
05-09-2010, 11:02 PM
the royals are like a chick flick. you know what is going to happen, we were going to suck, hillman will take the blame, moore will continue to fuck everything up, moose and hosmer will be mark quinn and mark quinn 2. Until football has 40 games in a season I will still catch most games