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Sweet Daddy Hate
05-10-2010, 01:05 PM
SLOW NEWS DAY? LET'S REPOST!!!!:D

♦ Woody Paige of The Denver Post sat down with Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, and the former Patriots assistant said Tim Tebow has the “It” factor, similar to Tom Brady. Said McDaniels: “When Tom came to us in 2001, I wasn’t on the offensive side of the ball, but I can remember the feeling in the building was that he had something that nobody else had … and how strongly he felt that ultimately he would be a great player. It was obviously apparent in subsequent seasons.

“That confidence affects everybody,” McDaniels added. “We could see it last week at rookie camp. There were a bunch of rookies out there with no confidence, except [Tebow]. He’s got such confidence that he will just not let himself fail.”


(Sung to the tune of "London Bridge")

R-o-R just pissed him-self,
pissed him-self,
pissed him-self.

R-o-R just pissed him-self,
Cuz-he's laugh-ing...
:D

BossChief
05-10-2010, 01:13 PM
“We could see it last week at rookie camp. There were a bunch of rookies out there with no confidence"

hahahah

The Bad Guy
05-10-2010, 01:16 PM
He has to say all of this. It's his ass on the line when Tebow bombs.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-10-2010, 01:16 PM
“We could see it last week at rookie camp. There were a bunch of rookies out there with no confidence"

hahahah

***"Official Cringing KnowMo Thread"***? :D

CrazyPhuD
05-10-2010, 01:17 PM
All the confidence in the world still can't help you hit the broad side of a barn with a football.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-10-2010, 01:17 PM
He has to say all of this. It's his ass on the line when Tebow bombs.

Didn't they "mistakenly" draft him? Some manuver that bit them in the ass board-wise?

Sofa King
05-10-2010, 01:19 PM
before this thread goes any further, Tebow would like us to bow our heads...

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-10-2010, 01:20 PM
before this thread goes any further, Tebow would like us to bow our heads...

LMAO

CoMoChief
05-10-2010, 01:21 PM
I'd rather take Akili Smith over Tim Tebow.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 01:21 PM
I laughed so hard when I read that article about the guy at the combine telling him to STFU about all the religion shit.

It was also historic when everyone in the draft thread was calling for Denver to draft him, then they traded up to do just that! Historic.

I hope he starts week one.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-10-2010, 01:24 PM
I laughed so hard when I read that article about the guy at the combine telling him to STFU about all the religion shit.

I hope he starts week one.

"But...but..."

STFU, kid! LMAO

On another note:

I like the Moeaki kid, and I hope he works out.

KCUnited
05-10-2010, 01:27 PM
Tebow compares Mcdaniels to an Aveeno filled sock between 2 couch cushions.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 01:27 PM
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

Reerun_KC
05-10-2010, 01:32 PM
before this thread goes any further, Tebow would like us to bow our heads...

Okay, took a moment...

Point is?

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 01:34 PM
I laughed so hard when I read that article about the guy at the combine telling him to STFU about all the religion shit.

It was also historic when everyone in the draft thread was calling for Denver to draft him, then they traded up to do just that! Historic.

I hope he starts week one.

Too bad that didn't happen.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/24/tebow-denies-wonderlic-incident/
So I had a telephone conversation today with quarterback Tim Tebow.

Ever heard of him?

He reached out, via agent Jimmy Sexton, in response to Tuesday night's story regarding the incident during the Wonderlic testing at the Scouting Combine. As a league source told us, Tebow said something in the testing room about saying a prayer. And then another player said something in response. And then some of the other players laughed.

But Tebow says it didn't happen.

"Not one single word of it is true," Tebow told me.

Tebow has a very genuine and disarming way about him. There's an innocence and kindness in his voice that conflicts with the image of a highly successful college quarterback, who was arguably one of the best college football players of all time.

He was nevertheless firm and resolute in his denial.

"One of the number one things for me is being someone of character and when I say something people can take it to the bank," Tebow said. "That story is absolutely not true."

Tebow then named several of the other players who were in the room, and he invited me to check his version with each of them.

Tebow explained that he said nothing to the group of roughly 100 players, and he said that he spoke only to BYU quarterback Max Hall.



Oh, and REPOST

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6743264&postcount=842

CoMoChief
05-10-2010, 01:37 PM
Okay, took a moment...

Point is?

Religion is a joke. And so is Tebow.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 01:45 PM
Religion is a joke. And so is Tebow.

you should know by now that you should be supporting tebow.

KnowMo will quote this post forever if he succeeds.

STFU

Reerun_KC
05-10-2010, 01:52 PM
Religion is a joke. And so is Tebow.

:shake:


To each is their own.....

Bwana
05-10-2010, 01:59 PM
ROFL

the Talking Can
05-10-2010, 02:01 PM
i would give anything for teblow to start this year....


the idea that someone is going to be a great QB - in spite of having actual skills so bad they had to be trashed AFTER college - based on 'jesus' and 'want to' is mind blowing...


i will pray every night for him to crash and burn...

CoMoChief
05-10-2010, 02:01 PM
you should know by now that you should be supporting tebow.

KnowMo will quote this post forever if he succeeds.

STFU

I'm one of about 50millions people thinking this guy's going to fail miserably in the NFL as a behind center/pocket passing QB. If he proves me and millions of people wrong, then good for him. He's still America's #1 overhyped college player ever.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 02:04 PM
Too bad that didn't happen.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/24/tebow-denies-wonderlic-incident/



Oh, and REPOST

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6743264&postcount=842

That doesn't change that I laughed when I read about it.

You are such a cum guzzling tool of the broncos. No matter what they do, NO MATTER WHAT, you will defend it. You have absolutely 0 objectivity.

If the Chiefs took Tebow, you would be laughing to no end, but since you guys did, you would swallow his manhood if it meant you would win some games again.

You LOVED Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler and the rest of the guys "wonderboy" has ran out of town. You know what each of their juices taste like. Now that they are gone, you pick them apart.

Again, 0 objectivity.

Tell us all how you truly feel, right now, about Clady because Id bet dollars to donuts he's next.

CoMoChief
05-10-2010, 02:06 PM
That doesn't change that I laughed when I read about it.

You are such a cum guzzling tool of the broncos. No matter what they do, NO MATTER WHAT, you will defend it. You have absolutely 0 objectivity.

If the Chiefs took Tebow, you would be laughing to no end, but since you guys did, you would swallow his manhood if it meant you would win some games again.

You LOVED Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler and the rest of the guys "wonderboy" has ran out of town. You know what each of their juices taste like. Now that they are gone, you pick them apart.

Again, 0 objectivity.

Tell us all how you truly feel, right now, about Clady because Id bet dollars to donuts he's next.

Clady just got beat by Tamba Hali (again). Twitter confirmed.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 02:08 PM
I'm one of about 50millions people thinking this guy's going to fail miserably in the NFL as a behind center/pocket passing QB. If he proves me and millions of people wrong, then good for him. He's still America's #1 overhyped college player ever.:facepalm:

It was a joke regarding your appreciation thread and your prowless for picking the loser to win in the past.

I was saying that for us to fortify his possible failure, you should be supporting him.

Now that you think he will fail, he will probably succeed.

get it?

Mile High Mania
05-10-2010, 02:11 PM
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

Yeah, that's about the only thing those that need Tebow to succeed can point to and hope that it works out. Ultimately, it's a non-factor to me right now as I look at 2010. Kyle Orton is the QB, Tebow (by all accounts) isn't ready and won't be ready to lead an NFL team in 2010 and that's fine by me.

Orton is getting a raw deal again... but, that's life in the NFL. All he can do is go out and kick ass in 2010 and hope for the best.

CosmicPal
05-10-2010, 02:33 PM
Woody Paige of The Denver Post sat down with Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, and the former Patriots assistant said Tim Tebow has the “It” factor, similar to Tom Brady. Said McDaniels: “When Tom came to us in 2001, I wasn’t on the offensive side of the ball, but I can remember the feeling in the building was that he had something that nobody else had … and how strongly he felt that ultimately he would be a great player. It was obviously apparent in subsequent seasons.

First of all, nobody has the "it" factor until they win a few games. Peyton Manning had a very forgettable first season, as did John Elway.

Brady was thrusted into playing due to an injury Bledsoe received in the beginning of the season. If Brady had an "it" factor, then what the phuck was he doing on the bench?

They were discussing this very thing yesterday on NFL Sirius and I agree with them, you can't have an "it" factor until you start playing in the NFL- it's a whole different ballgame than college. And if McDaniels screws this up, he's going to have a very brief career as a head coach.

Amnorix
05-10-2010, 02:33 PM
If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.


WTF? Cassel had good armstrength and was very athletic with the Pats. Limited on deep ball accuracy/touch, but it wasn't an armstrength issue. Athleticism was definitely NOT in doubt.

HemiEd
05-10-2010, 02:34 PM
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

I agree, this board was making fun of another recent rival pick, that ended up working out.

Amnorix
05-10-2010, 02:35 PM
Meanwhile, why is McDaniels setting the expectations so high? Seems silly, and likely to backfire.

thecoffeeguy
05-10-2010, 02:39 PM
:spock:

the Talking Can
05-10-2010, 02:40 PM
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1.

bowener
05-10-2010, 02:40 PM
before this thread goes any further, Tebow would like us to bow our heads...

SHUT THE **** UP, BITCH! (directed at Teblow)


edit:

Can the mods please correct the spelling of Tebow to Teblow from here on after?

bowener
05-10-2010, 02:42 PM
i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1. Matt Jones

That is the closet player/position to what Teblow will most likely become...

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 02:44 PM
i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1.

95% of the people who bash Tebow, bash him because he's a Bronco.

There's absolutely no reason to name a QB that's had to change his mechanics (ahem, Aaron Rodgers) because for the most part, none of them had the size, speed, strength, intelligence and desire to overcome any shortcomings.

Furthermore, all I stated was that those people who bash him had better be right because if not and Tebow can overcome the deficiencies in his passing game, he's going to be a monster player.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 02:44 PM
That is the closet player/position to what Teblow will most likely become...

Not even close.

kepp
05-10-2010, 02:45 PM
All the confidence in the world still can't help you hit the broad side of a barn with a football.

Maybe we could nickname him "Uncle Rico".

CosmicPal
05-10-2010, 02:46 PM
let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...

1.

Weren't they trying to get Michael Vick to become more of a pocket passer in Atlanta when they first drafted him? They wanted him to be able to use his legs of course, but not ALL the time.

If I remember correctly, they were working their tail off trying to get the guy to learn to throw the ball sooner and not to jump the pocket so quickly. They were also afraid of the fact that all of his running around will only shave years off of his tenure as a QB in the league and that he'd retire much too soon because of all of his running around.

the Talking Can
05-10-2010, 02:50 PM
95% of the people who bash Tebow, bash him because he's a Bronco.

There's absolutely no reason to name a QB that's had to change his mechanics (ahem, Aaron Rodgers) because for the most part, none of them had the size, speed, strength, intelligence and desire to overcome any shortcomings.

Furthermore, all I stated was that those people who bash him had better be right because if not and Tebow can overcome the deficiencies in his passing game, he's going to be a monster player.



right...Tebow has some special desire that others don't...absolute horse shit and the main reason people hate him is because of these types of claims...

and my question stands....

1. Maybe Aaron Rodgers




I can't fucking wait to watch Mr. "I Have Special Want-to That You Don't" play QB in the NFL....

BigCatDaddy
05-10-2010, 02:52 PM
McDaniels is the best thing to happen to the Chiefs since Al Davis.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 02:58 PM
right...Tebow has some special desire that others don't...absolute horse shit and the main reason people hate him is because of these types of claims...

JaMarcuss Russell

and my question stands....

1. Maybe Aaron Rodgers


I answered your question accurately. You want to hate on Tebow? Fine.

Just don't be surprised if he succeeds.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 03:10 PM
McDaniels is the best thing to happen to the Chiefs since Al Davis.


I completely disagree with this type of thinking.

McDaniels went to a stagnant Broncos team that had really done nothing since the 2005 season. He traded the crybaby QB, moved all around in the draft, switched to a 3-4 defense and went 8-8.

In 2010, he traded troublemaker Brandon Marshall, drafted the second rated receiver in the draft, along with some nice offensive lineman (Beadles, Olsen and Walton) along with a project QB in Tebow.

They have a young, talented roster which is nothing to laugh about. If McDaniels doesn't get it done, the next coach will have plenty to work with in terms of talent.

bowener
05-10-2010, 03:12 PM
95% of the people who bash Tebow, bash him because he's a Bronco.

There's absolutely no reason to name a QB that's had to change his mechanics (ahem, Aaron Rodgers) because for the most part, none of them had the size, speed, strength, intelligence and desire to overcome any shortcomings.

Furthermore, all I stated was that those people who bash him had better be right because if not and Tebow can overcome the deficiencies in his passing game, he's going to be a monster player.

Alright, I might buy that Tebow can be as successful as Rogers if he does the same and sits for 3 years behind a future HOF QB, or even just a Pro Bowl caliber QB, and comes into the starting position after many seasons of learning and training.

BigCatDaddy
05-10-2010, 03:14 PM
I completely disagree with this type of thinking.

McDaniels went to a stagnant Broncos team that had really done nothing since the 2005 season. He traded the crybaby QB, moved all around in the draft, switched to a 3-4 defense and went 8-8.

In 2010, he traded troublemaker Brandon Marshall, drafted the second rated receiver in the draft, along with some nice offensive lineman (Beadles, Olsen and Walton) along with a project QB in Tebow.

They have a young, talented roster which is nothing to laugh about. If McDaniels doesn't get it done, the next coach will have plenty to work with in terms of talent.

He inheritedd alot which he got rid of and has made some very questionable picks. Obviously he isn't going to miss on every move or pick, but I'm betting his batting average is going to be pretty low. I think they are at the bottom of the division this year.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 03:16 PM
I dont laugh at the fact that Denver drafted Tebow.

I laugh at any team that would draft such a huge project in the first round though unless they can afford to sit him for two years. Especially a team that traded three good picks to get up to 25 to take him. I think he would have been an excellent pick for the Vikings at 30 and said so before the draft, I just dont think it was a good move for Denver.

Sergio Kindle
Morgan Burnett
Dennis Pitta

or

Tebow

I would have rather had the three players, but that is just my preference.

I do think he can be a good player.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 03:17 PM
He inheritedd alot which he got rid of and has made some very questionable picks. Obviously he isn't going to miss on every move or pick, but I'm betting his batting average is going to be pretty low. I think they are at the bottom of the division this year.

So you think that by adding three young offensive lineman, two cornerbacks and the 2nd best receiver in the draft, they're moving backwards?

How does that work?

Furthermore, the only "questionable" draft choice was Tebow and quite frankly, I don't see the big deal, especially considering they drafted Thomas earlier in the first round and still had a full compliment of draft choices.

Tebow was a freebie. If pans out, they've got a QB for the next decade (or more). If he doesn't, they've got Brady Quinn and next year's draft.

ClevelandBronco
05-10-2010, 03:18 PM
i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1.

I can name one that had shitty mechanics throughout his career, and it didn't seem to hurt him. Bernie Kosar.

It happens.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 03:18 PM
I dont laugh at the fact that Denver drafted Tebow.

I laugh at any team that would draft such a huge project in the first round though unless they can afford to sit him for two years. Especially a team that traded three good picks to get up to 25 to take him. I think he would have been an excellent pick for the Vikings at 30 and said so before the draft, I just dont think it was a good move for Denver.

Sergio Kindle
Morgan Burnett
Dennis Pitta

or

Tebow

I would have rather had the three players, but that is just my preference.

I do think he can be a good player.

A QB is way more valuable than a possibly broke LB or a TE.

As I mentioned in the post above, Tebow was a freebie due to all of McDaniels moves in the draft.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 03:24 PM
A QB is way more valuable than a possibly broke LB or a TE.

As I mentioned in the post above, Tebow was a freebie due to all of McDaniels moves in the draft.

those were the players that were available at those draft spots they traded away to take Tebow.

its not a "broke linebacker or a TE" its a broke linebacker, a good safety to pair with Dawkins and a good receiving tight end...or a quarterback that is realistically a two year project that lacks a lot of the raw physical skills to flourish at a championship level in the NFL.

But, again, that is JMO from a fans perspective.

If they win playoff games with the kid, it was a homerun trade.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 03:26 PM
those were the players that were available at those draft spots they traded away to take Tebow.

its not a "broke linebacker or a TE" its a broke linebacker, a good safety to pair with Dawkins and a good receiving tight end...or a quarterback that is realistically a two year project that lacks a lot of the raw physical skills to flourish at a championship level in the NFL.

But, again, that is JMO from a fans perspective.

If they win playoff games with the kid, it was a homerun trade.

If it only takes two years for Tebow to be championship level, the Chiefs should have taken him.

He'll have been the steal of the draft if he's got the Broncos in the AFC Championship or Super Bowl in 2012.

thecoffeeguy
05-10-2010, 03:26 PM
I just think Tebow has a long way to go as far as being a QB from many aspects.

He is working on his throwing motion, and that will take some time.
He worked out of the shotgun almost exclusively at Florida as part of Urban Myers system. He needs to get used to taking snaps from under center.

Lastly, reading defenses. I think that is going to take him a long time to do. He had very simple reads at Florida, and adjusting to the NFL is going to be a big adjustment. He also does not have a big time WR to go to since Marshall was traded.

The last QB that was picked in the 1st round that came from Urban Myers system was Alex Smith. Good kid, smart, had the physical tools, but we all know how that panned it. It didnt.

he has a long way to go, and he may do well. But I highly doubt he will have a immediate impact.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 03:31 PM
The last QB that was picked in the 1st round that came from Urban Myers system was Alex Smith. Good kid, smart, had the physical tools, but we all know how that panned it. It didnt.

he has a long way to go, and he may do well. But I highly doubt he will have a immediate impact.

Alex Smith is the starter in San Francisco. If they hadn't been so screwed up the past several years (hiring and firing coaches, changing offensive philosophies, etc.), he may have found more success.

As to Tebow, I don't think anyone expects him to have an immediate impact or even contribute this year. He's a project, but if he pans out, he could be a tremendous player.

And if he doesn't, all he cost the Broncos was the 25th overall pick in a year where they had two first rounders and two third rounders. It's a small price to pay for someone with his potential.

Buehler445
05-10-2010, 03:33 PM
I agree with Dane that if Tebow pans out we're assfucked. But I don't think it will happen. Primarily for reasons mentioned above.

And I have a hard time thinking that McDaniels got better players in the draft than he kicked to the curb, but by the same token, they're going after the "right" guys like we are. . We'll see but I'm definitely rooting for him to go down in flames.
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DaFace
05-10-2010, 03:33 PM
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

While I don't personally see much chance that Tebow will suddenly surprise everyone, it definitely could happen. That's part of why I never get all that excited laughing at other teams (or genuinely excited about the Chiefs) based on offseason moves. You never know how it'll work out in the end.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 03:34 PM
If it only takes two years for Tebow to be championship level, the Chiefs should have taken him.

He'll have been the steal of the draft if he's got the Broncos in the AFC Championship or Super Bowl in 2012.

thats not what I said.

I said he is a 2 year project that lacks a lot of the "physical tools" to flourish at a level that wins championships.

Honestly, if Josh doesnt try to take his legs away from the kid and lets him use his mobility as part of his game/playbook, he can be a weapon in the league. The problem there is that I think he will try to make him Tom Brady and keep him in the pocket instead of using what is probably his best strength, in his mobility, to try and win games.

Honestly, I think they took a guy very very similar player to Thigpen with a first rounder. But his true value is how he raises the level of competition for the rest of the team and if that is effective enough to win big games in the playoffs.

time will tell if he does that.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 03:35 PM
That doesn't change that I laughed when I read about it.

You are such a cum guzzling tool of the broncos. No matter what they do, NO MATTER WHAT, you will defend it. You have absolutely 0 objectivity.

If the Chiefs took Tebow, you would be laughing to no end, but since you guys did, you would swallow his manhood if it meant you would win some games again.

You LOVED Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler and the rest of the guys "wonderboy" has ran out of town. You know what each of their juices taste like. Now that they are gone, you pick them apart.

Again, 0 objectivity.

Tell us all how you truly feel, right now, about Clady because Id bet dollars to donuts he's next.

I haven't said anything negative about Scheffler other than he is not a blocking TE and that is what McDaniels wants from his TE's. Cutler is just a Grade A douche.
Marshall, while he is a trouble maker, is still a top 5 WR in the NFL and I would have preferred we kept him. Hopefully Russ Lande is right about Demaryius Thomas when he said that he was the best WR in this draft and was one of the 5 best players in the entire draft.

thecoffeeguy
05-10-2010, 03:37 PM
Alex Smith is the starter in San Francisco. If they hadn't been so screwed up the past several years (hiring and firing coaches, changing offensive philosophies, etc.), he may have found more success.

As to Tebow, I don't think anyone expects him to have an immediate impact or even contribute this year. He's a project, but if he pans out, he could be a tremendous player.

And if he doesn't, all he cost the Broncos was the 25th overall pick in a year where they had two first rounders and two third rounders. It's a small price to pay for someone with his potential.

Yes, Smith is the starter at SF, but he has never really produced as you would like for a 1st rounder. Things might change though now, as his OL is getting upgraded, he has Gore at RB and Crabtree and Davis as receiving threats.

Like I said, Tebow may pan out. But he has a long way to go.

CarlPeterson_fan
05-10-2010, 03:39 PM
I actually wanted to see Tebow succeed. Until he was drafted by the Donks. Now I want to see a Ryan Leaf/JaFatass career for him.

thecoffeeguy
05-10-2010, 03:41 PM
I haven't said anything negative about Scheffler other than he is not a blocking TE and that is what McDaniels wants from his TE's. Cutler is just a Grade A douche.
Marshall, while he is a trouble maker, is still a top 5 WR in the NFL and I would have preferred we kept him. Hopefully Russ Lande is right about Demaryius Thomas when he said that he was the best WR in this draft and was one of the 5 best players in the entire draft.

:eek:

Golden boy Thomas will quickly learn that just running straight lines will not get it done in this league. He will actually have to run routes. :)

BossChief
05-10-2010, 03:45 PM
I haven't said anything negative about Scheffler other than he is not a blocking TE and that is what McDaniels wants from his TE's. Cutler is just a Grade A douche.
Marshall, while he is a trouble maker, is still a top 5 WR in the NFL and I would have preferred we kept him. Hopefully Russ Lande is right about Demaryius Thomas when he said that he was the best WR in this draft and was one of the 5 best players in the entire draft.

So basically, the guys you used to like because they were Broncos you dont like anymore because they arent and you really like the new players that are Broncos?

Sounds about right.

If you ever want to earn some respect around here, be objective about your team. Even a little.

There is a difference between being a fan and a full blown blind homer that seems to just follow like a sheep no matter what happens.

You would walk right off the edge of a cliff if the Broncos said that is the best plan.

Seriously, you should just start getting detached from Clady because I am about 80% sure he is on another team in a year or two. He fit the old scheme but doesnt fit as well with the new one and with his recent injury, he will be a "spendable asset" sooner rather than later. Just look at the draft.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 03:45 PM
i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1.

1. Aaron Rodgers

2. Philip Rivers NEVER adjusted his mechanics.

And the criticism of Tebow's mechanics are overrated.

The problem with his delivery, McDaniels said, was not as much the left arm action as the right side body reaction. Tebow's nonthrowing arm was flailing, and his right side was bailing out. He's corrected the throwing motion and cocked position, is releasing the ball quicker, and has eliminated the inaccurate sidearm passes. McDaniels had Tebow tuck his right elbow, straighten his shoulders and concentrate on forcing the "15" (on his jersey front) to fall off (figuratively) when he throws.

"See, he's doing it, after just a couple of days," McDaniels said, looking at the screen. "What's it going to be like after 65 practices? He gets it."


McDaniels has said that EVERY QB he has ever coached has had to adjust things in the offseason and sometimes during the season.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 03:46 PM
:eek:

Golden boy Thomas will quickly learn that just running straight lines will not get it done in this league. He will actually have to run routes. :)

and do so coming off a broken foot.

bowener
05-10-2010, 03:48 PM
and do so coming off a broken foot.

seems ironic that Moeaki is in your sig.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 03:48 PM
thats not what I said.

I said he is a 2 year project that lacks a lot of the "physical tools" to flourish at a level that wins championships.

Honestly, if Josh doesnt try to take his legs away from the kid and lets him use his mobility as part of his game/playbook, he can be a weapon in the league. The problem there is that I think he will try to make him Tom Brady and keep him in the pocket instead of using what is probably his best strength, in his mobility, to try and win games.

Honestly, I think they took a guy very very similar player to Thigpen with a first rounder. But his true value is how he raises the level of competition for the rest of the team and if that is effective enough to win big games in the playoffs.

time will tell if he does that.

The only physical tool he "lacks" was the proper throwing motion which has improved since January.

And as CB mentioned, Bernie Kosar's weird delivery didn't stop him from success in the NFL.

I think Tebow's more like Steve Young, which is a scary thought.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 03:48 PM
:eek:

Golden boy Thomas will quickly learn that just running straight lines will not get it done in this league. He will actually have to run routes. :)

Like Josh McDaniels said "When you evaluate players you have to make sure you are evaluating the player and not the coordinator"

Demaryius Thomas originally went to GT because of Chan Gailey's pass first offense. A new coach came in and DT was pretty much screwed.

DBOSHO
05-10-2010, 03:49 PM
The only physical tool he "lacks" was the proper throwing motion which has improved since January.

And as CB mentioned, Bernie Kosar's weird delivery didn't stop him from success in the NFL.

I think Tebow's more like Steve Young, which is a scary thought.

Sounds like you got a crush.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 03:50 PM
Sounds like you got a crush.

Sounds like you're an idiot.

Oops. We already all knew that.

thecoffeeguy
05-10-2010, 03:51 PM
Like Josh McDaniels said "When you evaluate players you have to make sure you are evaluating the player and not the coordinator"

Demaryius Thomas originally went to GT because of Chan Gailey's past first offense. A new coach came in and DT was pretty much screwed.

I want to see you write one negative thing about the Broncos. ONE THING!

Your name should be part of the 'blind homer' definition. :D

DBOSHO
05-10-2010, 03:51 PM
Sounds like you're an idiot.

Oops. We already all knew that.

LMAO

BossChief
05-10-2010, 03:53 PM
seems ironic that Moeaki is in your sig.

why is that ironic? Moeaki doesnt have to learn how to run NFL routes and was chosen at the end of the third round and would have been a much higher pick if he didnt have a broken foot a couple years ago, Thomas ( a player I like and think will be a very good player that has big games against us because of matchup problems) has to learn to run about every NFL route because of coming from a total gimmick scheme and couldn't do any predraft workouts because of his broken foot.

Pablo
05-10-2010, 03:54 PM
Tebow gets no credit in part because of his mechanics; but mostly for coming from the most gimmicky offense in college history.

He could be great. He could fall on his face and have to have Jesus carry him off the football field. I'm hoping for the latter since he's a Bronco now.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 03:56 PM
Demaryius Thomas originally went to GT because of Chan Gailey's past first offense. A new coach came in and DT was pretty much screwed.

so now Chan Gailey runs a pass first offense?

ummmmm, no.

SNR
05-10-2010, 03:56 PM
I want to see you write one negative thing about the Broncos. ONE THING!

Your name should be part of the 'blind homer' definition. :DI think he once said that the IN-COM-PLETE chant is pretty stupid.

thecoffeeguy
05-10-2010, 03:59 PM
I think he once said that the IN-COM-PLETE chant is pretty stupid.

ROFL

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 04:03 PM
so now Chan Gailey runs a pass first offense?

ummmmm, no.

He did at Georgia Tech.

Pablo
05-10-2010, 04:04 PM
I think he once said that the IN-COM-PLETE chant is pretty stupid.Yeah, he once posted that Orton's neck beard looked a bit shaggy and he should consider Pert Conditioner.

Pretty harsh thing to say about your QB.

Fritz88
05-10-2010, 04:06 PM
cam thomas
thread is over any one who posts after this will have cam thomas jizz in his breakfast cereal

BossChief
05-10-2010, 04:08 PM
What are you talking about hater. The improvement of Cutler alone makes us a better team. Cutler has ungodly potential. And he is showing it so far in the preseason.

Mike Martz has been quoted saying "Cutler has a chance to be better than Peyton Manning"

Peyton Manning First 2 years in the NFL
Games 32
QB Rating80.95
Comp% 59.29
Yards 7874
Yards per game246.06
Yards Per Attempt7.1
TD's 52
TD's Per Game 1.62
Int's 43
Int's per game 1.34

Jay Cutler Career Stats
Games 21
QB Rat 88.2
Comp% 62.6
Yards 4498
Yards Per Game 214.2
Yards Per Attempt 7.4
TD 29
TD Per Game 1.38
INT 19
INT Per Game .9

I'm just saying that it isn't Cutler's fault his team is losing. If we didn't have Cutler the past 2 years we would be 2-14 every year.

Jay Cutler was 3rd all time in rookie QB Rating behind...

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Dan Marino.

Mike Martz has said that he thinks Cutler can be better than Peyton Manning.ROFL

need me to go on?

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 04:08 PM
I want to see you write one negative thing about the Broncos. ONE THING!

Your name should be part of the 'blind homer' definition. :D

I was worried about our interior offensive line before the draft and then McDaniels went and drafted two studs and a solid backup G/C. :D

Pablo
05-10-2010, 04:09 PM
cam thomas
thread is over any one who posts after this will have cam thomas jizz in his breakfast cerealDon't type that name or swarms of locusts will eat your first born.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 04:09 PM
need me to go on?

I was a HUGE Cutler fan until he demanded to be traded from my favorite team. If you don't want to be a Denver Bronco then you can rot in hell.

LaChapelle
05-10-2010, 04:12 PM
Josh :Robinson:

thecoffeeguy
05-10-2010, 04:13 PM
I was worried about our interior offensive line before the draft and then McDaniels went and drafted two studs and a solid backup G/C. :D

If every player the Broncos have is a stud, then why did you guys sputter to 8-8 last year?

I mean, according to your logic, you are unbeatable and should win the superbowl without even trying.

And how old are you? Just want to know what level of homerism we are dealing with here? ;)

BossChief
05-10-2010, 04:15 PM
I was a HUGE Cutler fan until he demanded to be traded from my favorite team. If you don't want to be a Denver Bronco then you can rot in hell.

and why did he demand to be traded again?

BossChief
05-10-2010, 04:18 PM
and why did he demand to be traded again?

or was it more....

Manila-Chief
05-10-2010, 04:19 PM
WTF? Cassel had good arm strength and was very athletic with the Pats. Limited on deep ball accuracy/touch, but it wasn't an arm strength issue. Athleticism was definitely NOT in doubt.

Okay ... (you may have answered this in another thread and I didn't see it) what do you think of his decision making? It seems to me since he has "good arm strength/athleticism ... if he has "good decision making" .... all he needs to succeed is a quality QB coach? Me thinks all that sitting on the bench did NOT prepare him for the mental part of the game. If he does we have a chance. If he is just average or blow average mentally, we don't have a shot.

I answered your question accurately. You want to hate on Tebow? Fine.

Just don't be surprised if he succeeds.

I agree with Dane. He is a huge hit/miss type of guy. I'm not predicting which way he will go. I do believe that he is not working to improve just to get a big pay day. He wants to succeed. Yes, most NFL draft choices have a "want to," but there are those that have talent and a big desire to win. It's hard to keep those guys down. If he has the coaching, they put a quality team around him, he just might prove all of us wrong.

As a Chiefs fan ... I sure hope McKid has greatly over reached this time!!! And they both go down in flames!!! But, it's a hope and not a prediction!!!!!!

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 04:20 PM
If every player the Broncos have is a stud, then why did you guys sputter to 8-8 last year?

I mean, according to your logic, you are unbeatable and should win the superbowl without even trying.

And how old are you? Just want to know what level of homerism we are dealing with here? ;)

We went 8-8 last year because our DL wore down as the season went on, and we didn't have the right type of interior OL to run the offense McDaniels wanted to run.

I am 24 btw.

thecoffeeguy
05-10-2010, 04:21 PM
We went 8-8 last year because our DL wore down as the season went on, and we didn't have the right type of interior OL to run the offense McDaniels wanted to run.


BUt wait, all your players are studs. What the hell! :D

Digital Takawira
05-10-2010, 04:31 PM
as a florida state fan and a chiefs fan, it's music to my ears to see people despise him as much as i have for the last 4 years. he goes from one hated blue and orange team to another.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 04:33 PM
as a florida state fan and a chiefs fan, it's music to my ears to see people despise him as much as i have for the last 4 years. he goes from one hated blue and orange team to another.

you should change your avatar to DMC and flash to predator

WildTurkey
05-10-2010, 04:34 PM
cam thomas
thread is over any one who posts after this will have cam thomas jizz in his breakfast cereal

I think some people around here would love some Cam Thomas Jizz in their Cereal

xztop12
05-10-2010, 04:51 PM
Why the hell is mcdaniels talking about tebow? is he going to play this year? is he going to throw this season away by talking-up and putting energy into a bench warmer while his starting qb gets no respect? is tebow going to turn Orton into wine?

keg in kc
05-10-2010, 04:52 PM
Tim Tebow
Tom Brady

Same number of letters.

Similarity ends there.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 04:53 PM
Ive been saying it, I think he is priming the kid to play earlier rather than later. Its part of the mistake process.

Digital Takawira
05-10-2010, 05:00 PM
you should change your avatar to DMC and flash to predator

indeed.

beach tribe
05-10-2010, 05:03 PM
Ive been saying it, I think he is priming the kid to play earlier rather than later. Its part of the mistake process.
I will love to see Tebow out on the field with Berry roaming the back field already knowing his tendencies.

thecoffeeguy
05-10-2010, 05:34 PM
Tim Tebow
Tom Brady

Same number of letters.

Similarity ends there.

Case closed. :D

BigMeatballDave
05-10-2010, 05:42 PM
95% of the people who bash Tebow, bash him because he's a Bronco.

Not true at all.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 05:48 PM
Not true at all.

Really? All I see are people laughing at McDaniels because he chose Tebow, yet none of those people seem to have a fucking clue.

If Tebow had gone to Minnesota or Indy or any of the teams below #25, there wouldn't be a thread going weeks after the draft ended.

BigMeatballDave
05-10-2010, 05:50 PM
Not counting Young and Esiason, how may good lefthanded Qbs has their been in this league?

Do they plan on moving Clady to RT?

the Talking Can
05-10-2010, 05:50 PM
Really? All I see are people laughing at McDaniels because he chose Tebow, yet none of those people seem to have a ****ing clue.

If Tebow had gone to Minnesota or Indy or any of the teams below #25, there wouldn't be a thread going weeks after the draft ended.

where can i buy a big brain like yours?


drafting Tebow in the 1st is lol stupid


and he's the most over-hyped piece of shit to ever enter the nfl....

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 05:52 PM
where can i buy a big brain like yours?


drafting Tebow in the 1st is lol stupid


and he's the most over-hyped piece of shit to ever enter the nfl....

Thanks. You've just convinced me.

:rolleyes:

Tribal Warfare
05-10-2010, 05:53 PM
WTF? Cassel had good armstrength and was very athletic with the Pats. Limited on deep ball accuracy/touch, but it wasn't an armstrength issue. Athleticism was definitely NOT in doubt.

ROFL


His "arm strength" is non- existent, you must not have seen the 2009 reel of Cassel.

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 05:54 PM
Not counting Young and Esiason, how may good lefthanded Qbs has their been in this league?

Do they plan on moving Clady to RT?

They drafted Beadles, Olsen and Walton, which should give them a damn fine offensive line (along with Clady) for years to come.

Tebow doesn't have to play a down this year or next year. It's all about year three for him though if he shows enough progress, we may see him next year.

BigMeatballDave
05-10-2010, 05:54 PM
Really? All I see are people laughing at McDaniels because he chose Tebow, yet none of those people seem to have a fucking clue.

If Tebow had gone to Minnesota or Indy or any of the teams below #25, there wouldn't be a thread going weeks after the draft ended.Most of us, including myself, have bashed and hated on him the past 2 yrs. You dont remember everyone making fun of him getting his ass kicked and crying during the Alabama game?

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 05:55 PM
Most of us, including myself, have bashed and hated on him the past 2 yrs. You dont remember everyone making fun of him getting his ass kicked and crying during the Alabama game?

I guess I never paid attention

Hydrae
05-10-2010, 05:56 PM
Tim Tebow
Tom Brady

Same number of letters.

Similarity ends there.

Damn, beat me to it. Surprised it took so long though.

DBOSHO
05-10-2010, 05:57 PM
If this was the national intangibles league, tebow should rightfully go in the first round, but the fact is, he has 3rd round arm strength and 7th round mechanics.not to mention the offense he is accustomed to play in is very different than the nfl.

the Talking Can
05-10-2010, 05:59 PM
If this was the national intangibles league, tebow should rightfully go in the first round, but the fact is, he has 3rd round arm strength and 7th round mechanics.not to mention the offense he is accustomed to play in is very different than the nfl.

bingo



but he tries hard and loves jesus, and well honestly he's white too....so line up the cock smokers

DaKCMan AP
05-10-2010, 06:32 PM
Not counting Young and Esiason, how may good lefthanded Qbs has their been in this league?

Do they plan on moving Clady to RT?

Mark Brunell
Ken Stabler
Jim Zorn
Mike Vick (3x pro bowler)
Scott Mitchell had 1 outstanding year with Detroit

BossChief
05-10-2010, 06:52 PM
Mark Brunell
Ken Stabler
Jim Zorn
Mike Vick (3x pro bowler)
Scott Mitchell had 1 outstanding year with Detroit

case closed

hold on...

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 07:01 PM
If this was the national intangibles league, tebow should rightfully go in the first round, but the fact is, he has 3rd round arm strength and 7th round mechanics.not to mention the offense he is accustomed to play in is very different than the nfl.

He has a stronger arm than Bradford, McCoy, and Clausen. I don't know where some posters get that he has a weak arm, every scouting report from respectable places always say he has a strong arm.

And I would argue that the reason most QB's bust isn't because they lack the talent, but because they lack the intangibles. Tebow has all the physical tools to succeed and has the work ethic to overcome all of his shortcomings IMO.

WildTurkey
05-10-2010, 07:52 PM
He'll make a great inspirational speaker in a few years once his career is over

DBOSHO
05-10-2010, 08:17 PM
He has a stronger arm than Bradford, McCoy, and Clausen. I don't know where some posters get that he has a weak arm, every scouting report from respectable places always say he has a strong arm.

And I would argue that the reason most QB's bust isn't because they lack the talent, but because they lack the intangibles. Tebow has all the physical tools to succeed and has the work ethic to overcome all of his shortcomings IMO.

Knomo dont lie.

If tebow fell to our 2a and we picked him you wouldve been laughing your ass off and would have about 200 posts why the chiefs are retards for picking him.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 08:21 PM
Knomo dont lie.

If tebow fell to our 2a and we picked him you wouldve been laughing your ass off and would have about 200 posts why the chiefs are retards for picking him.

I don't say many negative things about the Chiefs, but I don't think the Chiefs have the staff to develop a QB. Cassel regressed under Haley, Brady Quinn has been a bust in the NFL, and Jimmy Clausen was like the number 1 recruit in the nation coming into Notre Dame and he wasn't even drafted in the first round.

DBOSHO
05-10-2010, 08:29 PM
I don't say many negative things about the Chiefs, but I don't think the Chiefs have the staff to develop a QB. Cassel regressed under Haley, Brady Quinn has been a bust in the NFL, and Jimmy Clausen was like the number 1 recruit in the nation coming into Notre Dame and he wasn't even drafted in the first round.

So let me get this straight.

The offensive coordinator who made brady great, who is widely recognized as one of the best qb coaches and creative minds the NFLs ever seen, who coached 2 first round talents into the nfl(clausen wouldve gone #1 overall if he had bradfords attitude; jurys still out on quinn. You may be right, but he played qb carousel in cle)

+

the offensive coordinator who took the cardinals to the superbowl

arent talented enough to develop a quarterback? A quarterback whos protection failed him almost as much as the recievers did?

TheGuardian
05-10-2010, 09:12 PM
I don't say many negative things about the Chiefs, but I don't think the Chiefs have the staff to develop a QB. Cassel regressed under Haley, Brady Quinn has been a bust in the NFL, and Jimmy Clausen was like the number 1 recruit in the nation coming into Notre Dame and he wasn't even drafted in the first round.

You post some stupid shit but this one takes the cake.

So Quinn is an NFL bust but the o-coordinator you're talking about made him look like a first rounder.

Our coach was the offensive coordinator that took the Cards to the SB and helped Warner look like the old MVP Warner again (Warner admits that Haley played a big part in this) and yet we don't have the staff to develop a QB?

Fucking

Stupid

TheGuardian
05-10-2010, 09:16 PM
Oh and I agree with almost everything Dane has said in this thread. I don't bet against guys who REALLY love the game, have a passion and desire to win more than anything else in the world, and have incredible work ethics. Those are the guys that end up being your greatest players regardless of skill set.

Steve Largent wasn't fast, wasn't big, had shitty measurables but the guy was Jerry Rice before Rice came along. How? Why? Same reasons that Dane is citing for Tebow. Because he had an incredible want inside to be the best and worked for it.

People can hate on Tebow because he's religious (that seems like a stupid ****ing reason to hate on a guy but to each their own) but he seems like a real decent fellow and truly loves the game. If Dwayne Bowe had Tebows work ethic and want-to, he'd be considered the best WR in the game right now. Basically, he'd be Larry Fitzgerald.

That's the difference between a guy like Bowe and Fitz. Desire and want-to. Fitz is not the most talented WR in the league from a measurables perspective at all. But he works his ass off and wants it. Tebow has that. He won't win in the NFL as a rookie, but he'll probably sit and learn a lot and take over next year. In 3 years he could be scary good. But we'll see.

alanm
05-10-2010, 09:22 PM
before this thread goes any further, Tebow would like us to bow our heads...When the vets come in I wonder how that's going to go down? His trying to impart his religious views on everyone.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 09:23 PM
So let me get this straight.

The offensive coordinator who made brady great, who is widely recognized as one of the best qb coaches and creative minds the NFLs ever seen, who coached 2 first round talents into the nfl(clausen wouldve gone #1 overall if he had bradfords attitude; jurys still out on quinn. You may be right, but he played qb carousel in cle)

+

the offensive coordinator who took the cardinals to the superbowl

arent talented enough to develop a quarterback? A quarterback whos protection failed him almost as much as the recievers did?

Weis didn't do anything worth noting with Drew Bledsoe. He was the OC way back in the 90's for NE and didn't do shit until Belicheat started filming signals.

Brady actually got better after Weis left and had the best season a QB has EVER had under the tutelage of McDaniels. Weis is not considered some mastermind or offensive genius. The Patriots won SB's by stealing signals and running the ball.

Chiefs Rool
05-10-2010, 09:24 PM
if he's lucky he may get to be a QB coach or something at Florida in a few years once he's out of the NFL.

TheGuardian
05-10-2010, 09:24 PM
Weis didn't do anything worth noting with Drew Bledsoe. He was the OC way back in the 90's for NE and didn't do shit until Belicheat started filming signals.

Brady actually got better after Weis left and had the best season a QB has EVER had under the tutelage of McDaniels. Weis is not considered some mastermind or offensive genius. The Patriots won SB's by stealing signals and running the ball.

Brady got better because that's the normal learning curve for the NFL you fucking moron.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 09:26 PM
I don't say many negative things about the Chiefs, but I don't think the Chiefs have the staff to develop a QB. Cassel regressed under Haley, Brady Quinn has been a bust in the NFL, and Jimmy Clausen was like the number 1 recruit in the nation coming into Notre Dame and he wasn't even drafted in the first round.

I had to +rep this post because you give so much comedic value in your posts I dont want you to go in the red and leave and I know some had to pound that dumb fucking post.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 09:26 PM
Our coach was the offensive coordinator that took the Cards to the SB and helped Warner look like the old MVP Warner again (Warner admits that Haley played a big part in this) and yet we don't have the staff to develop a QB?

****ing

Stupid

Larry Fitgerald, Breaston, and Anquan Boldin made Kurt Warner look like the old MVP Warner. Warner didn't have a good OL in NY and his early days in AZ.

I will rep your last post in this thread for being unbiased about Tebow, but I have to wait 24 hours until I can give out any more rep.

ClevelandBronco
05-10-2010, 09:26 PM
When the vets come in I wonder how that's going to go down? His trying to impart his religious views on everyone.

What gives you the idea that anything like that will happen?

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 09:29 PM
When the vets come in I wonder how that's going to go down? His trying to impart his religious views on everyone.

Tebow has said he won't push his views on anybody in the locker room. But if somebody wants to talk he is more than willing to. Everyone on the Broncos LOVES Brian Dawkins and he is a very religious person. I think Dawkins and Tebow will hit it off and once B-Dawk is on your side you won't have any enemies.

DaKCMan AP
05-10-2010, 09:31 PM
Weis didn't do anything worth noting with Drew Bledsoe. He was the OC way back in the 90's for NE and didn't do shit until Belicheat started filming signals.

Brady actually got better after Weis left and had the best season a QB has EVER had under the tutelage of McDaniels. Weis is not considered some mastermind or offensive genius. The Patriots won SB's by stealing signals and running the ball.

It didn't have anything to do with the Patriots acquiring Randy Moss and Wes Welker...

DaKCMan AP
05-10-2010, 09:33 PM
Larry Fitgerald, Breaston, and Anquan Boldin made Kurt Warner look like the old MVP Warner. Warner didn't have a good OL in NY and his early days in AZ.

I will rep your last post in this thread for being unbiased about Tebow, but I have to wait 24 hours until I can give out any more rep.

So, let me get this straight.

Fitz, Breaston and Boldin made Warner look good, not Haley.

McDaniels made Brady look good, not Moss and Welker.

ROFL

DBOSHO
05-10-2010, 09:33 PM
Weis didn't do anything worth noting with Drew Bledsoe. He was the OC way back in the 90's for NE and didn't do shit until Belicheat started filming signals.

Brady actually got better after Weis left and had the best season a QB has EVER had under the tutelage of McDaniels. Weis is not considered some mastermind or offensive genius. The Patriots won SB's by stealing signals and running the ball.

So why didnt orton throw for 4500 yards and 40 touchdowns?

DaneMcCloud
05-10-2010, 09:33 PM
So let me get this straight.

The offensive coordinator who made brady great, who is widely recognized as one of the best qb coaches and creative minds the NFLs ever seen, who coached 2 first round talents into the nfl(clausen wouldve gone #1 overall if he had bradfords attitude; jurys still out on quinn. You may be right, but he played qb carousel in cle)

+

the offensive coordinator who took the cardinals to the superbowl

arent talented enough to develop a quarterback? A quarterback whos protection failed him almost as much as the recievers did?

Weis didn't make Brady great. BRADY made Brady great. Weis was just along for the ride.

Haley was the OC in name-only during the 2007 season and while it's true he called the plays in 2008, he was under the watchful eye of Ken Whisenhunt.

Haley sucked ass as the OC for the Chiefs in 2009.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 09:37 PM
It didn't have anything to do with the Patriots acquiring Randy Moss and Wes Welker...

So, let me get this straight.

Fitz, Breaston and Boldin made Warner look good, not Haley.

McDaniels made Brady look good, not Moss and Welker.

ROFL

Tom Brady never had a QB rating above 86.5 when Charlie Weis was his OC, and had his WORST year the last year Weis was there.

In McDaniels first season as OC Brady had a 92.6 QB Rating without Moss and Welker, and had his worst group of receivers the following year and had a QB Rating of 87.9 (still better than any year under Weis). Then 2007 happened.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 09:39 PM
So why didnt orton throw for 4500 yards and 40 touchdowns?

He had a better year than Tom Brady ever did under Charlie Weis.

TheGuardian
05-10-2010, 09:43 PM
He had a better year than Tom Brady ever did under Charlie Weis.

The donkeys won the SB??????????

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 09:45 PM
The donkeys won the SB??????????

I understand your point, but I was just talking statwise. Also the Patriots kinda cheated and Brady was nothing but a game manager.

alanm
05-10-2010, 09:46 PM
I was a HUGE Cutler fan until he demanded to be traded from my favorite team. If you don't want to be a Denver Bronco then you can rot in hell.What if he had just asked nicely?

DaWolf
05-10-2010, 09:49 PM
Tom Brady never had a QB rating above 86.5 when Charlie Weis was his OC, and had his WORST year the last year Weis was there.

In McDaniels first season as OC Brady had a 92.6 QB Rating without Moss and Welker, and had his worst group of receivers the following year and had a QB Rating of 87.9 (still better than any year under Weis). Then 2007 happened.

What's more impressive, Brady having higher QB ratings with McDaniels after he'd clearly become a seasoned vet, or Brady winning three rings with Weis, including one as a first year starter?

Also, I think the 92.6 year was Weis' last year...

TheGuardian
05-10-2010, 09:50 PM
I understand your point, but I was just talking statwise. Also the Patriots kinda cheated and Brady was nothing but a game manager.

Brady in his first year as a starter was more than a game manager. You can't be serious.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 09:51 PM
What's more impressive, Brady having higher QB ratings with McDaniels after he'd clearly become a seasoned vet, or Brady winning three rings with Weis, including one as a first year starter?

They cheated and Brady was nothing more than a game manager. Funny how public opinion changes after a team wins the SB. Big Ben was a game manger until he won his first ring and same thing with Eli Manning. But as soon as a QB plays on a great team (or a team that cheats) they instantly become "franchise QB's"

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 09:53 PM
Brady in his first year as a starter was more than a game manager. You can't be serious.

No he really wasn't. Not at all actually. He was nothing but a game manager. He did nothing different than Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton did last year.

18 TD's and 12 INT's screams game manager. Kyle Orton threw 18 TD's and 12 INT's his last year in Chicago.

CosmicPal
05-10-2010, 09:53 PM
They cheated and Brady was nothing more than a game manager. Funny how public opinion changes after a team wins the SB. Big Ben was a game manger until he won his first ring and same thing with Eli Manning. But as soon as a QB plays on a great team (or a team that cheats) they instantly become "franchise QB's"

:facepalm:

Could you possibly be any more ignorant?

alanm
05-10-2010, 09:54 PM
What gives you the idea that anything like that will happen?He tried to espouse his beliefs at the combine and everyone told him to shut the f*ck up. ROFL

WildTurkey
05-10-2010, 09:58 PM
No he really wasn't. Not at all actually. He was nothing but a game manager. He did nothing different than Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton did last year.

18 TD's and 12 INT's screams game manager. Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton threw 18 TD's and 12 INT's his last year in Chicago.

Get it through you're little tiny homeristic brain that McDaniels had nothing to do with Brady being a great QB, McDaniels drafting Tebow tells me all I need to know about his knowledge of QB's so please for fucks sake STFU

WildTurkey
05-10-2010, 10:03 PM
Yes Game managers often lead SB winning drives in their first season.... dumbshit

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ClevelandBronco
05-10-2010, 10:08 PM
He tried to espouse his beliefs at the combine and everyone told him to shut the f*ck up. ROFL

Forgive me for not believing you.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 10:09 PM
Tom Brady never had a QB rating above 86.5 when Charlie Weis was his OC, and had his WORST year the last year Weis was there.

In McDaniels first season as OC Brady had a 92.6 QB Rating without Moss and Welker, and had his worst group of receivers the following year and had a QB Rating of 87.9 (still better than any year under Weis). Then 2007 happened.

Hey smart guy, how many Championships did Brady win under Weis and how many under Wonderboy? Fuck your dumbass stats.

You are the ultimate fail.

Weis = 5 years 3 championships While developing a first ballot hall of famer from a late round pick after not being a full time starter in college.
Wonderboy = 4 years 0 championships with a fully developed hall of fame quarterback

hmmmmm

Claynus
05-10-2010, 10:11 PM
Is Brady a virgin?

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 10:17 PM
Hey smart guy, how many Championships did Brady win under Weis and how many under Wonderboy? **** your dumbass stats.

You are the ultimate fail.

Weis = 5 years 3 championships While developing a first ballot hall of famer from a late round pick after not being a full time starter in college.
Wonderboy = 4 years 0 championships with a fully developed hall of fame quarterback

hmmmmm

I see you don't put much stock in filming defensive signals and knowing exactly what the other team is going to do before the ball is snapped.

Von Dumbass
05-10-2010, 10:17 PM
Yes Game managers often lead SB winning drives in their first season.... dumbshit

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Didn't the Patriots videotape the Rams walkthrough before that game?

DBOSHO
05-10-2010, 10:40 PM
Is Brady a virgin?

Tom brady fucks supermodels.

BossChief
05-10-2010, 10:55 PM
I see you don't put much stock in filming defensive signals and knowing exactly what the other team is going to do before the ball is snapped.

"I got owned and reverted to deflection as my response" /knowmo

FTR, How do you know wonderboy didnt have the same advantage?

Oh yeah I forgot, I already know your response.

"because, GO BRONCOS!!"

CosmicPal
05-10-2010, 11:04 PM
Get it through you're little tiny homeristic brain that McDaniels had nothing to do with Brady being a great QB, McDaniels drafting Tebow tells me all I need to know about his knowledge of QB's so please for ****s sake STFU

ROFL

The funny thing is- if McDaniels is such a great QB coach and can turn anyone into a great QB, then why the phuck did he feel the need to trade up into the first round to get Tebow when they had already received Brady Quinn before the draft?

DaWolf
05-10-2010, 11:14 PM
They cheated and Brady was nothing more than a game manager. Funny how public opinion changes after a team wins the SB. Big Ben was a game manger until he won his first ring and same thing with Eli Manning. But as soon as a QB plays on a great team (or a team that cheats) they instantly become "franchise QB's"

Yeah, and John Elway just handed it off to Terrell Davis on his way to two rings under Shanarat while they circumvented the cap...

orange
05-10-2010, 11:56 PM
When the vets come in I wonder how that's going to go down? His trying to impart his religious views on everyone.

http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/31459/2861418900030611872S600x600Q85.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2861418900030611872CwUVbS)

Von Dumbass
05-11-2010, 12:38 AM
"I got owned and reverted to deflection as my response" /knowmo

FTR, How do you know wonderboy didnt have the same advantage?

Oh yeah I forgot, I already know your response.

"because, GO BRONCOS!!"

He did have the same advantage in 05 and 06 but then the Patriots got caught in week 1 of the 2007 season and we all know how well McDaniels did without signals the rest of that year.

Von Dumbass
05-11-2010, 12:40 AM
ROFL

The funny thing is- if McDaniels is such a great QB coach and can turn anyone into a great QB, then why the phuck did he feel the need to trade up into the first round to get Tebow when they had already received Brady Quinn before the draft?

I don't know but my theory is he was planning on drafting Tebow the entire time and he wasn't planning on resigning Kyle Orton when he became a free agent after this season. Sooo he went and traded for Brady Quinn who has two years left on his contract and he will be competing with Tebow for the starting job in 2011 and the best QB at that point in time will win.

salame
05-11-2010, 12:53 AM
I like tebow
I wanted him to do well
In JAcksonVille

Jethopper
05-11-2010, 02:54 AM
So basically, the guys you used to like because they were Broncos you dont like anymore because they arent and you really like the new players that are Broncos?

Sounds about right.

If you ever want to earn some respect around here, be objective about your team. Even a little.

There is a difference between being a fan and a full blown blind homer that seems to just follow like a sheep no matter what happens.

You would walk right off the edge of a cliff if the Broncos said that is the best plan.

Seriously, you should just start getting detached from Clady because I am about 80% sure he is on another team in a year or two. He fit the old scheme but doesnt fit as well with the new one and with his recent injury, he will be a "spendable asset" sooner rather than later. Just look at the draft.


You need to understand something about Broncos fans. As of last year, when they first hired Josh, fans thought that he was an up and coming coach. It all started to fade after the Cutler situation. So they labeled him a visionary. Everyone knows that most of the time when new HC's come in they don't release pro bowl talent. McD did, so the only thing that could have happened is predicated on the fact that "Coach knows something / is a genious." I can't blame them for this line of thinking. Go over and read their message boards. We have some homers... but my god everyone over there just jumps in the agreement pile on everything McD does. It's because they have too. They can't say that McD is making silly decisions because that would be admitting that they traded away some of the best offensive players they've had north of the Elway years for a failure. That is why if he decides to play 8 guys on each side of the ball, Knowmo will say something to the effect of "It was genius to limit injuries by only playing 8 guys."

Mile High Mania
05-11-2010, 04:47 AM
I rarely read the homer thread or this thread anymore... it's a mental beating. So, now you're saying Brady is average and they only one because of the video taping. Crazy... just walk away slowly.

BigMeatballDave
05-11-2010, 06:06 AM
Mark Brunell
Ken Stabler
Jim Zorn
Mike Vick (3x pro bowler)
Scott Mitchell had 1 outstanding year with DetroitI forgot about Brunell. I didnt realize Stabler and Zorn were leftys. Please remove Vick off this or any 'good' QB list. I know he's a lefty. He has shitty stats for a QB. I dont give a shit if he made a dozen Probowls. Most. Overrated. Player. Ever.

Garcia Bronco
05-11-2010, 09:17 AM
i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1.

All of them.

boogblaster
05-11-2010, 09:22 AM
Is there religon in football ... lets all pray for a winning season .....

Garcia Bronco
05-11-2010, 09:24 AM
those were the players that were available at those draft spots they traded away to take Tebow.

its not a "broke linebacker or a TE" its a broke linebacker, a good safety to pair with Dawkins and a good receiving tight end...or a quarterback that is realistically a two year project that lacks a lot of the raw physical skills to flourish at a championship level in the NFL.

But, again, that is JMO from a fans perspective.

If they win playoff games with the kid, it was a homerun trade.

We don't throw to the TE very much and we have blocking TE's. We also use a spread offense. Tebow will be perfect for it and he's 6'3.

Mile High Mania
05-11-2010, 10:37 AM
Well, as much as I don't really like it right now... I agree with the writers. They should end the pain for Orton, the team and the fans. Orton signed his 1 year deal, McD has now traded for Quinn and Tebow. It's obvious that he's set up to just play this year out and while I think he's being treated unfairly, it is life in the NFL. The team should do right by everyone, specifically the QBs and just move him...

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15047949

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15047475

I'm not buying into all the Tebow hype at this point, he's proven nothing so far... same as Quinn. But, it's obvious that Orton is not a long term plan at QB here, so let's end the misery and start the process now.

Rooster
05-11-2010, 01:21 PM
Some of these are pretty good. :)

The ESPN Tebow nickname fan poll

1. The Mile-High Messiah -- First suggested by Eric M., Kingsport, Tenn.; Dan L., Austin, Texas; and Andrew B., New York.

2. Tebench -- Nick S., Rochester, N.Y.

3. Uno Cinco -- Anthony F., Philadelphia.

4. Capt. Snipit -- Jason G., Longwood, Fla.

5. The Big Tebowski -- Josh C., Canastota, N.Y., and Tim C., San Diego.

6. Tebowlicious -- Mary-Jane K., Madison, Ala.

7. Clipboard -- Joe M., Navarre, Fla., and Capt. Clipboard -- Jess C., Savannah, Ga.

8. The Unicorn -- "Because only women and defensive ends of pure virtue will be able to touch him" -- Steve R., Ottawa, Ontario.

9. Media Messiah -- Ryan K., Chowan University (Murfreesboro, N.C.).

10. Timmmmaaaay -- "South Park salute" -- Sammy M., Beaumont, Texas; Daryn H., Stevens Point, Wis.; and Josh W., Asheville, N.C.

DBOSHO
05-11-2010, 01:36 PM
The funny thing is that knowmo thinks theres some great mystery on how to use brady welker and moss.

Run moss deep, send welker on a slant. It sure takes a mastermind to figure that out.

Von Dumbass
05-11-2010, 01:43 PM
The funny thing is that knowmo thinks theres some great mystery on how to use brady welker and moss.

Run moss deep, send welker on a slant. It sure takes a mastermind to figure that out.

Did Brady throw 50 TD's last year? Why did the Patriots score 10 more points per game with McDaniels/Brady/Moss/Welker than O'Brien/Brady/Moss/Welker?

vailpass
05-11-2010, 02:05 PM
Some of you guys better watch what you ask for.
I'm not sayin'.
I'm just saying'.

CoMoChief
05-11-2010, 02:28 PM
Some of you guys better watch what you ask for.
I'm not sayin'.
I'm just saying'.

I can't wait to see Tebow piss his pants.

I hope he gets a shit ton of snaps at QB this season.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-12-2010, 03:44 PM
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.



Yep. Those 8 yarders to Moss and Welker make McDaniel a fucking QB genius. Genius I say!

WTF? Cassel had good armstrength and was very athletic with the Pats. Limited on deep ball accuracy/touch, but it wasn't an armstrength issue. Athleticism was definitely NOT in doubt.

So much FAIL here.

95% of the people who bash Tebow, bash him because he's a Bronco.


Furthermore, all I stated was that those people who bash him had better be right because if not and Tebow can overcome the deficiencies in his passing game, he's going to be a monster player.

I don't bash because he's a Bronco, I LOVE that he's a Bronco. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

Don't worry:

We're definitely right.



. You want to hate on Tebow? Fine.

Just don't be surprised if he succeeds.

I won't be surprised, because he WON'T succeeed. At least as a QB anywho...

You're usually right about a lot of things most times.

This would not be one of those times.:evil:

ClevelandBronco
05-12-2010, 04:22 PM
I can't wait to see Tebow piss his pants.

I hope he gets a shit ton of snaps at QB this season.

I imagine all other AFCW fans would, since that would likely mean that we're on our third QB.

DaneMcCloud
05-12-2010, 04:26 PM
This would not be one of those times.:evil:

Dude, I'm not proclaiming that he's going to be a great NFL QB, let alone an All-Pro, Super Bowl winning QB.

All I'm saying is that it would not surprise me if he was able overcome his limitations and become a solid NFL QB due to his athleticism and desire.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-13-2010, 03:10 PM
Dude, I'm not proclaiming that he's going to be a great NFL QB, let alone an All-Pro, Super Bowl winning QB.

All I'm saying is that it would not surprise me if he was able overcome his limitations and become a solid NFL QB due to his athleticism and desire.

I'll buy, "successor to the Orton Dynasty of Greatness".


Sure. That I can see.

crispystl420
05-13-2010, 03:14 PM
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

Yeah Tebow scares me. I didn't laugh when they drafted him. I was like oh fock he's probably gonna be the next Elway.

Jethopper
05-13-2010, 03:15 PM
Yeah Tebow scares me. I didn't laugh when they drafted him. I was like oh fock he's probably gonna be the next Elway.

Come on.... Elway....

ClevelandBronco
05-13-2010, 03:17 PM
Yeah Tebow scares me. I didn't laugh when they drafted him. I was like oh fock he's probably gonna be the next Elway.

That's the problem with every QB that comes through Denver. Some people wonder if this one could be the next Elway.

There ain't going to be another Elway.

DBOSHO
05-13-2010, 03:18 PM
Did Brady throw 50 TD's last year? Why did the Patriots score 10 more points per game with McDaniels/Brady/Moss/Welker than O'Brien/Brady/Moss/Welker?

It could have something to do with the fact that brady was a year removed from having his knee shredded.

It could have something to do with the lack of a running game.

It could have something to do with the fact that the defense was terrible which forced the offense to be more 1 dimensional.

Or it could be that mcdaniels is a genius, which obviously explains why the broncos had the best offense in the league and took them to the superbowl.

lostcause
05-13-2010, 10:32 PM
To me its similar to drafting a Spurrier QB - look great in college and suck in the pros. Tebow is the third of Meyer's QBs to be drafted and Alex Smith doesn't really look like he's working out.

orange
05-13-2010, 11:20 PM
To me its similar to drafting a Spurrier QB - look great in college and suck in the pros. Tebow is the third of Meyer's QBs to be drafted and Alex Smith doesn't really look like he's working out.

Tell me - what college coaches have turned out multiple top NFL QBs?

I can only think of one - Bryant (Namath, Stabler). Maybe there are more going back farther, but has anyone done it in the modern (post-AFL) era?

So if Tebow is great, that will be ONE for Meyer - just like all the other coaches with ONE. Right?

Buck's Dad
05-14-2010, 03:16 AM
Brady is better than Jesus.... so no.

Mile High Mania
05-14-2010, 04:26 AM
That's the problem with every QB that comes through Denver. Some people wonder if this one could be the next Elway.

There ain't going to be another Elway.

Boom... some people just don't get it. I think most of us knew it would be a while until we saw a QB 'similar' to John in Denver.

Jethopper
05-14-2010, 06:31 AM
Tell me - what college coaches have turned out multiple top NFL QBs?

I can only think of one - Bryant (Namath, Stabler). Maybe there are more going back farther, but has anyone done it in the modern (post-AFL) era?

So if Tebow is great, that will be ONE for Meyer - just like all the other coaches with ONE. Right?

Whew.... Mental Gymnastics

Mile High Mania
05-14-2010, 06:46 AM
Tell me - what college coaches have turned out multiple top NFL QBs?

I can only think of one - Bryant (Namath, Stabler). Maybe there are more going back farther, but has anyone done it in the modern (post-AFL) era?

So if Tebow is great, that will be ONE for Meyer - just like all the other coaches with ONE. Right?

Guess you have to define the criteria for "top"... if you mean elite and maybe the top 25 of all time, then I doubt there are too many on that list. Four of Carrol's guys are currently in the NFL... Palmer is good, Sanchez has nice upside... Cassel - who knows, Leinart - I dunno.

Tribal Warfare
05-14-2010, 04:36 PM
I have to credit to Brady be critiquing his play during last season, instead our "starter" thinks he played well

Hog Farmer
05-14-2010, 04:43 PM
I have to credit to Brady be critiquing his play during last season, instead our "starter" thinks he played well


Have you lost your friggin mind ?

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-15-2010, 11:36 AM
I have to credit to Brady be critiquing his play during last season, instead our "starter" thinks he played well

Though the composition of your post sucks ass, I get what you're saying.

Nice point.

The Bad Guy
05-15-2010, 11:43 AM
Have you lost your friggin mind ?

That would assume that he had a brain to start with.