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milkman
05-12-2010, 06:55 PM
....coming into the league in the draft?

Thinking about the debates about the crrent crop of rookies, it got me to wondering.

I have talked a few times about the fact that I was way off when I said, at the time, that I wanted no part of Drew Brees.

He's my single biggest...wrong.

Good or bad, who is your biggest?

ChiefsCountry
05-12-2010, 06:56 PM
Matt Ryan

DJ's left nut
05-12-2010, 06:56 PM
I thought Darnell Bing was going to be an absolute superstar. I was sure he was going to be Ed Reed.

Buck
05-12-2010, 06:57 PM
Antonio Cromartie, by far.

As In he was a gift from God himself when we drafted him, but now...

Frazod
05-12-2010, 06:58 PM
Grbac. That cocksucker. :#

luv
05-12-2010, 06:59 PM
Ryan Succop

milkman
05-12-2010, 07:01 PM
I thought Darnell Bing was going to be an absolute superstar. I was sure he was going to be Ed Reed.

Yeah, I liked Bing, but didn't think that highly of him.

Silock
05-12-2010, 07:01 PM
DJ. I thought he was going to be THE ANSWER.

tk13
05-12-2010, 07:03 PM
Derrick Johnson. I was all over him not just in the draft, but his last two seasons.. he could change a game. I was sure he'd been in a couple Pro Bowls by now.

LaChapelle
05-12-2010, 07:04 PM
PBJ PBJ

milkman
05-12-2010, 07:06 PM
DJ. I thought he was going to be THE ANSWER.

That was Allen Iverson, so DJ couldn't be.

Damn, buddy, you didn't even get the sport right.

:D

healthpellets
05-12-2010, 07:06 PM
Quinn, Brady

Then again, i don't think he's gotten a shot yet either.

the Talking Can
05-12-2010, 07:07 PM
DJ. I thought he was going to be THE ANSWER.

yeah, ditto, I thought he was a gift....oy


i also thought david klingler was going to be a good QB...i'd never seen an arm like that...

warpaint*
05-12-2010, 07:07 PM
Jake Plummer. Was sure he was a perennial pro bowler waiting to happen.

milkman
05-12-2010, 07:09 PM
I think most of us thought that DJ was going to be a perennial pro bowler.

ClevelandBronco
05-12-2010, 07:11 PM
Payton Manning.

ILChief
05-12-2010, 07:22 PM
Matt Leinart, I thought he would be a stud. Donovan McNabb, thought he would be mediocre at best

DJ's left nut
05-12-2010, 07:24 PM
Donovan McNabb, thought he would be mediocre at best

So how were you wrong?

I actually like McNabb, but he's about to show the league just how mediocre he'd have been for his entire career but/for an offense that was ideally suited for him.

I was hoping he'd stay in Philly or end up getting traded to the Vikes. He doesn't have the kind of short range weapons he's going to need to be effective in Washington.

Reaper16
05-12-2010, 07:40 PM
Player I was high on but wrong about: Probably Vernon Ghoulston at this rate. Possibly Dwayne Jarrett. Michael Huff, considering my expectations. Alan Branch is in the discussion.

Player I thought would bust but in fact flourished: Probably either Joe Flacco or Maurice Jones-Drew.

Brock
05-12-2010, 07:43 PM
I would have drafted Alan Branch top 10 probably.

Chiefs Rool
05-12-2010, 07:48 PM
Back when I had 20/20 homer glasses on:

-Elvis Grbac - I thought he was going to be the next Marino.
-Mike Cloud - I thought he was going to be AWESOME
-Larry Johnson - it was the great o-line the entire time, he fooled me the first few years.
-Derrick Johnson - I thought he was going to be such a great LB and thought it was a miracle he lasted to #15
-Kevin Lockett - I thought he was going to be amazing

ClevelandBronco
05-12-2010, 07:49 PM
Back when I had 20/20 homer glasses on:

-Elvis Grbac - I thought he was going to be the next Marino.
-Mike Cloud - I thought he was going to be AWESOME
-Larry Johnson - it was the great o-line the entire time, he fooled me the first few years.
-Derrick Johnson - I thought he was going to be such a great LB and thought it was a miracle he lasted to #15
-Kevin Lockett - I thought he was going to be amazing

Oh. That's right.

Payton Manning and Larry Johnson.

But someone who was wrong about Payton Manning was a whole different kind of wrong than someone who was wrong about LJ.

BossChief
05-12-2010, 07:50 PM
Aaron Rodgers isn't gonna be anything more than Kyle Boller.

Chiefs Rool
05-12-2010, 07:52 PM
Oh. That's right.

Payton Manning and Larry Johnson.

But someone who was wrong about Payton Manning was a whole different kind of wrong than someone who was wrong about LJ.

I never said Peyton Manning, I always knew he would be great

Rain Man
05-12-2010, 07:52 PM
I would have drafted Alan Branch top 10 probably.


Agreed. Mine would be either him or Wendall Bryant. Or Jimmy Williams.

Jimmy Williams may have been my worst whiff. Is he even still in the league?

ClevelandBronco
05-12-2010, 07:53 PM
I never said Peyton Manning, I always knew he would be great

No. I said Payton Manning. I thought he'd be a choke artist. You just reminded me to include LJ on my list of blown calls.

Chiefs Rool
05-12-2010, 07:54 PM
No. I said Payton Manning. I thought he'd be a choke artist. You just reminded me to include LJ on my list of blown calls.

oh :)

milkman
05-12-2010, 07:57 PM
Agreed. Mine would be either him or Wendall Bryant. Or Jimmy Williams.

Jimmy Williams may have been my worst whiff. Is he even still in the league?

Jimmy Williams drafted by the Facons a few years ago?

Out of the league, I think.

Sully
05-12-2010, 07:58 PM
Huff
Clady

Count Alex's Losses
05-12-2010, 07:58 PM
Devard Darling I guess.

If we're talking rookies, I was in love with Dwayne Jarrett.

Farzin
05-12-2010, 08:08 PM
Glenn Dorsey

We have yet to see him do this sack/TFL celebration as a Chief.

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Fritz88
05-12-2010, 08:09 PM
Murice Jones Drew

tyler360
05-12-2010, 08:10 PM
I thought Chris Johnson was gonna be a huge bust. Did not like that pick for TEN at all. I was way the fuck off.

milkman
05-12-2010, 08:12 PM
Glenn Dorsey

We have yet to see him do this sack/TFL celebration as a Chief.

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So are you suggesting that Dorsey is a bust?

cdcox
05-12-2010, 08:15 PM
Ryan Sims. Even before the Chiefs drafted him I was targeting him as the best of the 4 tackles that year.

Von Dumbass
05-12-2010, 08:18 PM
Jay Cutler. I thought he was going to be the next Elway.

Brock
05-12-2010, 08:20 PM
Jay Cutler. I thought he was going to be the next Elway.

Well, to be fair, that's probably the least of the things you've been wrong about.

Rain Man
05-12-2010, 08:26 PM
Jimmy Williams drafted by the Facons a few years ago?

Out of the league, I think.


I don't remember who drafted him, so it was probably some team like the Falcons or the Panthers.

The league obviously knew something that I didn't. He was rated as a top-ten talent at cornerback and then on draft day slid all the way into the second round or even later.

chiefs1111
05-12-2010, 08:26 PM
Matt Ryan,Michale Huff are some recent ones. My worst one though was Ryan Leaf. I actually thought he would be better then Manning. I was a dumb ass on that one.

Rain Man
05-12-2010, 08:28 PM
Jay Cutler. I thought he was going to be the next Elway.

In a way, he is. He was such a jerk that the team that drafted him wanted nothing to do with him.

BossChief
05-12-2010, 08:32 PM
Yeah, didnt Denver draft a first round quarterback when they already had Elway?

milkman
05-12-2010, 08:35 PM
Yeah, didnt Denver draft a first round quarterback when they already had Elway?

Tommy Maddox in the early 90s.

keg in kc
05-12-2010, 08:39 PM
It's been Brees for me as well.

Although I've been so wrong about so many first round picks it's hard to keep the list to just one. I wanted Wendall Bryant instead of Sims. And Alan Branch instead of Bowe. And Matt Ryan instead of Dorsey.

Well, okay, maybe not that last one.

I guess you could argue Sanchez would be next to Brees if he eventually pans out, but my contention with him was (is and will always be) that he had not done enough on the field to warrant a top-5 pick, rather than he couldn't ever be a franchise QB. And I think project guys like that should fall to later in the round. We'll see how he develops.

Bwana
05-12-2010, 08:40 PM
Turned out to be great: Priest Holmes.

Turned out to be a POS: Ryan Simms.

chiefzilla1501
05-12-2010, 08:44 PM
Matt Ryan

Is it a little too soon to say you were wrong about him?

He had a terrific rookie season followed by a horribly inconsistent sophomore season. He was a gunslinger in college and given his INT rate last season, I wonder if that's the case in the NFL too.

notorious
05-12-2010, 08:46 PM
Greg Hill

chiefzilla1501
05-12-2010, 08:47 PM
By the way, on the chiefs' side, put me down for Kris Wilson. And, sad to say, I think it might be close to saying Matt Cassel.

noa
05-12-2010, 08:49 PM
Eli Manning. I thought he was just overhyped because of his brother, and then when he said he'd never play for San Diego, but instead was headed for the biggest market where you're always under the most intense scrutiny, I thought he'd absolutely tank. I certainly never thought he'd win a Super Bowl.

notorious
05-12-2010, 08:51 PM
By the way, on the chiefs' side, put me down for Kris Wilson. And, sad to say, I think it might be close to saying Matt Cassel.

When it comes to Matt Cassel, about 95% of this board will be wrong.


I hope to God that I am wrong. I thought he wasn't going to do squat here in KC, and I hope he proves me wrong. I would love go all out crow-buffet if it means the Chiefs are kicking ass.

cdcox
05-12-2010, 08:56 PM
Is it a little too soon to say you were wrong about him?

He had a terrific rookie season followed by a horribly inconsistent sophomore season. He was a gunslinger in college and given his INT rate last season, I wonder if that's the case in the NFL too.

Is Matt Cassel a gunslinger? His INT rate was higher. We aren't really even approaching Brett Favre territory here.

OnTheWarpath58
05-12-2010, 08:56 PM
Philip Rivers.

I never thought he'd get away with that horrible delivery in the pros, and honestly, I'm still not sure how he gets away with it.

milkman
05-12-2010, 08:58 PM
Is Matt Cassel a gunslinger? His INT rate was higher. We aren't really even approaching Brett Favre territory here.

He's a popgun slinger!

But I bet you were talking about Matt Ryan.

milkman
05-12-2010, 09:00 PM
He's a popgun slinger!

But I bet you were talking about Matt Ryan.

On a side note, I think I just came up with my new nick name for Cassel.

Crush
05-12-2010, 09:00 PM
When it comes to Matt Cassel, about 95% of this board will be wrong.


I hope to God that I am wrong. I thought he wasn't going to do squat here in KC, and I hope he proves me wrong. I would love go all out crow-buffet if it means the Chiefs are kicking ass.


So much THIS. I want Cassel to prove me wrong and flip me off as he holds up the Lombardi Trophy.

Rausch
05-12-2010, 09:01 PM
DJ
Ron Dayne

Crush
05-12-2010, 09:03 PM
Derrick Johnson - I seriously thought that this guy was going to define our defense and become a leader for the next 10+ years.

chiefzilla1501
05-12-2010, 09:03 PM
Is Matt Cassel a gunslinger? His INT rate was higher. We aren't really even approaching Brett Favre territory here.

No. Matt Ryan's a gunslinger because he takes a lot of chances and throws good passes into spots that were tigher than he thought. Matt Cassel throws INTs because he's inaccurate or made the wrong read.

cdcox
05-12-2010, 09:03 PM
He's a popgun slinger!

But I bet you were talking about Matt Ryan.

Chiefzilla1501 was calling Matt Ryan a gunslinger due to his INT rate, so I was contrasting him with Cassel.

Ryan's INT rate is and over all performance was fine for a 2nd year pro.

chiefzilla1501
05-12-2010, 09:12 PM
Chiefzilla1501 was calling Matt Ryan a gunslinger due to his INT rate, so I was contrasting him with Cassel.

Ryan's INT rate is and over all performance was fine for a 2nd year pro.

14 picks is a lot when you only play 13 full games. He has some really good receivers, a great running game, and a terrific offensive line. I'm not saying he won't get better. But to consider him a high quality starter, he has got to learn to make better decisions with the football. He's shown flashes, but he's still way too inconsistent.

Brianfo
05-12-2010, 09:15 PM
Derrick Johnson - I seriously thought that this guy was going to define our defense and become a leader for the next 10+ years.

This. I thought he could be the second coming of the Derrick Thomas. Sigh!

CosmicPal
05-12-2010, 09:20 PM
Eli Manning. I thought he was just overhyped because of his brother, and then when he said he'd never play for San Diego, but instead was headed for the biggest market where you're always under the most intense scrutiny, I thought he'd absolutely tank. I certainly never thought he'd win a Super Bowl.

Same here. I thought the same as you did in everything you posted. Weird.

Deberg_1990
05-12-2010, 09:24 PM
Ki-Jana-Carter...

Thought he was the next emmit smith

Heath Shuler....thought he was the next Montana

CosmicPal
05-12-2010, 09:25 PM
I was seriously wrong about Christian Okoye. I thought he was going to be a flop having had so little football experience.

mdstu
05-12-2010, 09:39 PM
Thought Michael Vick was going to be great.

Deberg_1990
05-12-2010, 09:44 PM
Oh....I thought we might have had something in Matt Blundin....

Buehler445
05-12-2010, 09:50 PM
Matt Ryan.

Croyle.

DJ.

Flacco. I thought he'd bust so hard it isn't even funny.

Chris Leak. I thought he'd be a Drew Brees type talent (Don't laugh. I'm a dumbass)

beach tribe
05-12-2010, 10:09 PM
Matt Ryan

Same here.

I was dead wrong.

I thought he would hold the ball too long.

nychief
05-12-2010, 10:12 PM
Lloyd Burress....


He said he'd leave his wife, but he didn't.... they never do....

Broke my heart.

Marcellus
05-12-2010, 10:14 PM
DJ for about the 20th time. That says all you need to know about him.

Sully
05-12-2010, 10:43 PM
Curtis Enis, too.

Chiefs=Good
05-12-2010, 10:57 PM
Matt Ryan, DJ

ClevelandBronco
05-12-2010, 11:02 PM
Yeah, didnt Denver draft a first round quarterback when they already had Elway?

Tommy Maddox in the early 90s.

One of the last mistakes they allowed Dan Reeves to make.

BIG K
05-12-2010, 11:08 PM
....coming into the league in the draft?

Thinking about the debates about the crrent crop of rookies, it got me to wondering.

I have talked a few times about the fact that I was way off when I said, at the time, that I wanted no part of Drew Brees.

He's my single biggest...wrong.

Good or bad, who is your biggest?

J. Russell. I pretty muched assumed when he was drafted to the rAIDERS that in two years, he would be kicking our ass all over the place.

Buzzsaw
05-12-2010, 11:13 PM
Mike Williams, USC. One of the best college players I've ever seen, such a beast, and looked like a terrific pro prospect. That year off hurt a lot but it turned out that he didn't have the work ethic anyways. Carroll's been talking him up a lot though so we'll see if he can resurrect his career with the Hawks.

CHENZ A!
05-12-2010, 11:18 PM
cHARLES ROGERS WAS ONE OF THE BEST COLLEGE wr'S i'D SEEN. i THOUGHT HE WAS A CAN'T MISS.

CoMoChief
05-12-2010, 11:24 PM
Derrick Johnson.

Though I still he can be great....time exactly hasn't run out on this guy.

KCrockaholic
05-12-2010, 11:30 PM
Wow. I never realized how many people here didn't like Matt Ryan...

I thought Brady Quinn was going to be awesome. I was pretty wrong about that at this point. I know I've been waaay off on some guys before but right now, I honestly can't think of anyone else I was totally wrong about. I'm sure it will come to me.

KCCHIEFS27
05-12-2010, 11:32 PM
Tim Tebow..I thought that guy was going to suck, but he's actually amazing!

jidar
05-12-2010, 11:45 PM
I've never been that high or that low on any player in the draft because I've always thought it was pretty much a crap shoot. Literally every player should start with the line "he could be good if..." and that's pretty much how look at it.

Recently though this place has had me taking sides more than I normally would so I've kind of taken the position that Sanchez will never be that good and that Clausen will be a pretty decent starter. It's too early on both of those, but I sure didn't expect Clausen to fall out of the first round so that one is looking shaky.

Pitt Gorilla
05-13-2010, 12:10 AM
When it comes to Matt Cassel, about 95% of this board will be wrong.


I hope to God that I am wrong. I thought he wasn't going to do squat here in KC, and I hope he proves me wrong. I would love go all out crow-buffet if it means the Chiefs are kicking ass.Cassel could be mine. I still think he will play well and that could make me even more wrong. I also thought Chase Coffman would be great when healthy.

teedubya
05-13-2010, 12:15 AM
I thought Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell would be hall of famers.

CaliforniaChief
05-13-2010, 12:23 AM
I never thought Jamaal Charles would emerge as he has.

I thought David Carr was going to be really good.

-King-
05-13-2010, 02:00 AM
Reggie Bush. Not really a bust, but I thought he was going to fucking light up the league.

I also thought Rodgers-Cromartie was too small to be a good corner. I thought WRs would have no problem getting away from him at the line. Just throw him down and go.

DaneMcCloud
05-13-2010, 02:15 AM
Probably Dino Hackett. I was shocked when the Chiefs took a guy from Appalachian State in the second round. I thought WTF?

He quickly became one of my favorite players on a bad team and was happy when he played well under Marty.

lostcause
05-13-2010, 02:25 AM
Carson Palmer.

and David Carr.

eazyb81
05-13-2010, 07:01 AM
Aaron Rodgers by far. Small size, so-so arm, but the most damning thing for me was the fact he was another Tedford product.

I am amazed at the QB he has become in this league. Absolute stud.

Most people on this thread should by listing Matt Ryan. The huge majority of this board was anti-Ryan heading into the 08 draft except for me and a couple others.

tymania
05-13-2010, 08:16 AM
Matt Cassel for me… when we traded for him, at the moment I found out, I really thought he would be the answer this franchise has been looking for.. and he still has this season to prove he belongs and prove he can take us to that next level… unfortunately I have my doubts about him these days..

Red Beans
05-13-2010, 08:57 AM
I'd say Matt Ryan, but I'll agree that the jury is still out. DJ for sure. I just don't think he's got the brains or the work ethic to be a pro bowler. Anyone feel like this thread's going to spawn a poll in a bit?

KurtCobain
05-13-2010, 09:02 AM
Jared Allen. No hopes for him, and he is a stud.

Zeke
05-13-2010, 09:26 AM
Matt Leinart, I had him as my QB in whatever NFL team I used in Madden for years... until I finally gave in and acknowledged he sucks.

Rudy lost the toss
05-13-2010, 11:15 AM
McFadden, Sims, DJ, VY(though he's nothing special...I was expecting him to be JaMarcus before JaMarcus), Sammy Davis

Im starting to think Stafford will be on his way to this list...I really wanted him

SNR
05-13-2010, 11:24 AM
I looked at Matt Ryan's interception rate in college and wrote him off. I left open the possibility that he could be a good QB eventually, but not in his fucking rookie season.

I was afraid when the Raiders drafted Robert Gallery and Michael Huff.

Philip Rivers I thought wouldn't be THAT great, though I did say he would be a lot better than Eli Manning. So far I'd say that's pretty true.

And of course I was wrong about Ryan Sims, Derrick Johnson, etc.

SNR
05-13-2010, 11:25 AM
Im starting to think Stafford will be on his way to this list...I really wanted himWhat? Why? It's been one goddamn rookie season taking over for a team that didn't win a single game the year before :spock:

Ebolapox
05-13-2010, 11:27 AM
yeah, ditto, I thought he was a gift....oy


i also thought david klingler was going to be a good QB...i'd never seen an arm like that...

I'm right there with you on DJ and klingler.

I've also thought byron leftwich and joey harrington were going to be great qbs.

Gadzooks
05-13-2010, 11:31 AM
Ryan Leaf. I actually thought he would be better then Manning. I was a dumb ass on that one.

:facepalm:Me too I was hoping Indy would go for Manning so we could get him.
(ohh, the pain)

Gadzooks
05-13-2010, 11:34 AM
I thought Chris Johnson was gonna be a huge bust. Did not like that pick for TEN at all. I was way the **** off.

The Tits didn't have that great a season, despite his antics on the field. I'd say the jury's still out untill he gets a winning season under his belt.

dirk digler
05-13-2010, 11:34 AM
DJ and Sanchez if he turns out to be good.

To be really honest I think I liked almost all of the Chiefs first round choices that I can remember but that is just the homer in me I guess.

SNR
05-13-2010, 11:36 AM
The Tits didn't have that great a season, despite his antics on the field. I'd say the jury's still out untill he gets a winning season under his belt.You mean like two years ago?

Dicky McElephant
05-13-2010, 11:36 AM
I thought David Carr was going to be good.

Gadzooks
05-13-2010, 11:45 AM
You mean like two years ago?

He was splitting time.
I'd say he was awsome last year but, IMO, he won't be able to take the constant beating over years. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

HemiEd
05-13-2010, 11:46 AM
Junior Siavii was my biggest wrong. He had such a heart warming, feel good story about all he had been through, it was supposed to end well.


I was right to be pissed when they drafted Kris Wilson though, even though I adopted him on the Planet.

Gadzooks
05-13-2010, 11:47 AM
I thought David Carr was going to be good.

David Carr got screwed by the Texans. They never gave him any protection.
Alot of QBs would have pussied out and quit if they took that many hits.

Chiefnj2
05-13-2010, 11:48 AM
I thought Sims and Freeman were going to anchor KC's line for years.

I thought Josh Reed would be a much better pro.

I liked Pollack out of Georgia, but he broke his neck.

Molitoth
05-13-2010, 12:03 PM
I thought for sure Charles Rodgers was going to be the next big thing.

KCrockaholic
05-13-2010, 12:08 PM
I thought David Pollack was going to be awesome. I actually wanted us to draft him.

Chief Faithful
05-13-2010, 12:10 PM
Todd Blackledge I thought would be very good.

soundmind
05-13-2010, 12:11 PM
Kijana Carter - CIN
Dexter Carter - SF
Roy Williams - DET
....and I'd have to follow Molitoth's Charles Rogers nod too.

I guess it's kind of tough to predict a dude will smoke himself out of the league without some prior personal knowledge though, so I'm taking a mulligan on Rogers.

Gadzooks
05-13-2010, 12:23 PM
I thought David Pollack was going to be awesome. I actually wanted us to draft him.

A bad back injury took him out.
There are countless players people view as busts even though their careers were cut short by injuries. Steve Emtman is my favorite example. He wasen't a bust in the sense that he couldn't play in the NFL. In his two plays he kicked ass.
from Wikipedia:
"Emtman's NFL career was marred by injuries. Playing a majority of his games on Astroturf, he finished each of his three seasons with the Colts on the injured reserve list. Nine games into his rookie year, he blew out his left knee. The following season, he tore the patellar tendon in his right knee, an injury that no previous NFL player had ever returned from. In October 1994, he beat the odds and made his comeback at home against the team he had grown up following, the Seattle Seahawks. On his first play, he tackled Chris Warren for a 5-yard loss. However, in the second quarter, he ruptured a disc in his neck in a collision with a teammate. Emtman continued to play, even though after the game, he could not close his fists due to nerve damage from the injury. He managed to play three more weeks until continuing pain forced him to undergo season-ending surgery.[2] He later played for the Miami Dolphins and Washington Redskins. His playing career ended following the 1997 season at the age of 27."

suds79
05-13-2010, 01:08 PM
Some that I remember.

I thought the following were going to be good players:

Ron Dayne
Dwayne Jarrett
Limas Sweed
Chase Coffman - What happened to this guy? The Bengals just drafted another TE.

Guys I was right on:

LT - A lot of people at the time questioning him because he was in an option offense.
Calvin Johnson - I know this one was easy to call but there have been a lot of 1st round WR busts out there.
Carl Nicks - Being a Nebraska guy and knowing the Chiefs needed O-line help, I wanted them to draft this guy in the mid rounds. Now he starts for the Saints.

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 01:09 PM
Derrick Johnson. I was all over him not just in the draft, but his last two seasons.. he could change a game. I was sure he'd been in a couple Pro Bowls by now.

DJ and possibly Dorsey for me.

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 01:10 PM
I was wrong on Ryan Leaf too, i was hoping SD would get Peyton/fail

BigCatDaddy
05-13-2010, 01:14 PM
Mike Williams - He looked so good making 1 handed grabs at USC.

Ebolapox
05-13-2010, 02:00 PM
hmmmm... who was I right about? I thought brandon flowers would be great. I thought eli would never ben peyton's equal. I thought deuce mccallister would be an all-time nfl great (he obviously wasn't)...

Jethopper
05-13-2010, 02:51 PM
Victor Riley

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 03:06 PM
Martin rucker

DTLB58
05-13-2010, 03:56 PM
I thought the draft picks that brought LT/Brees for Vick was
great for the Chargers.

I thought Brees decision to pick the Saints
in FA was dumb. Oops, my bad.

Sully
05-13-2010, 04:41 PM
Years ago I thought Todd Marinovich and Nick Bell would be stars.

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 04:45 PM
Duece Mcallister was a damn good back for the saints.

Gadzooks
05-13-2010, 04:55 PM
Duece Mcallister was a damn good back for the saints.

I remember when it was between Deuce and LT in that draft. I was rooting for LT and for once I think I was right
BTW - who names their kid "Deuce"? "Honey, I'm going upstairs to lay a deuce"

KC Tattoo
05-13-2010, 06:10 PM
I guess I was drinking the King Carl kool-aid but I had high hopes for Jr. Siaviiii & Big Foot. Thought Jr. Siabviiii was stronger than any other DLineman in that years class and was going help our Linebackers. Big Foot if I remember right broke is foot in preseason? Then never was used as a TE, we had Gonzo ofcourse. Made into a fullback and it didn't work out. That draft class left a sour taste in my mouth :cuss:Carl!!!

Chiefs Rool
05-13-2010, 06:16 PM
I remember when I thought Michael Bishop was gonna prove everyone wrong and be a good QB in the NFL

SnakeXJones
05-13-2010, 06:33 PM
Reggie Bush. Not really a bust, but I thought he was going to ****ing light up the league.


Well I consider him a bust I thought the same of him but hell he was good in madden though lol

Buehler445
05-13-2010, 09:11 PM
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Chiefs=Good
05-13-2010, 09:25 PM
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Nice take. :D

DaneMcCloud
05-13-2010, 09:39 PM
Is it a little too soon to say you were wrong about him?

He had a terrific rookie season followed by a horribly inconsistent sophomore season. He was a gunslinger in college and given his INT rate last season, I wonder if that's the case in the NFL too.

WTF? His INT rate?

He threw 22 TD's and only 14 INT's.

How is THAT bad?

Saccopoo
05-13-2010, 10:48 PM
Percy Snow.

Utterly dominant at the college level and showed a ton of promise in his rookie season. Teamed with Thomas, I had visions of the Lanier/Bell/Lynch linebacking corps being resurrected and perhaps even surpassed.

Fucking moped.

FAX
05-13-2010, 11:34 PM
Great thread, Mr. milkman. It's actually kind of chilling to read about how so many expectations have been left dangling like a frozen poo ball on a polar bear's hind quarters.

I've had hopes for a lot of guys who didn't turn out. DJ is a good example. But, I think the guy who stands out most for me is Joe Montana. When he originally came out, I honestly didn't think he would be successful as a starting NFL quarterback. To me, he had backup written all over him. Looking back, I guess I was a little wrong about that.

FAX

milkman
05-14-2010, 09:58 PM
David Carr got screwed by the Texans. They never gave him any protection.
Alot of QBs would have pussied out and quit if they took that many hits.

Ive said this a thousand times if I've said it once.

David Carr was every bit as responsible, if no moreso, for all those sacks as his O-Line.

He never learned to read a defense, go through his progressions, and to get the ball out.

He simply locked onto his primary reciever, and if he didn't get open, he held onto the ball waiting for him to seperate, and the result was sacks.

milkman
05-14-2010, 10:07 PM
I never thought Jamaal Charles would emerge as he has.

I thought David Carr was going to be really good.

When I watched Charles at Texas, I saw a guy with the same kind of patience and vision as Priest, but with much more speed.

When we drafted him, I was pretty damn happy.

Back to the original subject.

One guy from back in the day I thought was going to be a star was Elmo Wright.

What a disappointment.

Pioli Zombie
05-14-2010, 10:19 PM
Carson Palmer. I never saw a College QB who looked so much like a Pro. He's ok but he's not even close to what I thought he was going to be.

milkman
05-14-2010, 10:25 PM
Carson Palmer. I never saw a College QB who looked so much like a Pro. He's ok but he's not even close to what I thought he was going to be.

Palmer was just ascending when he took that hit to the knee in the playoffs against the Steelers that blew it up, and he has never looked the same since.

HC_Chief
05-14-2010, 10:41 PM
LaDainian Tomlinson

Von Dumbass
05-14-2010, 11:21 PM
I also thought that Jarvis Moss was going to be the next Javon Kearse. I was super stoked when we drafted him. :shake:

Ebolapox
05-14-2010, 11:23 PM
I also thought that Jarvis Moss was going to be the next Javon Kearse. I was super stoked when we drafted him. :shake:

ROFL

Willie Lanier
05-15-2010, 12:07 AM
Jared Allen; when I read his profile, my first thought was, "Well, I suppose it's a throwaway pick, but even the scouts I trust discount him..."

AirForceChief
05-15-2010, 07:18 AM
Todd "Mother Fing" Blackledge, no ifs ands or buts. No player comes close for me! I still recall the elation I felt when we grabed him in the draft...you know, the infamous (for Chiefs fans, anyway) 1983 draft. I was still defending him when I was watching the Chiefs with my girlfriend (now wife) four years later.

Future Spouse Who Know Little About FB: "I'm not so sure about your QB, he doesn't look...right. But the punter has a nice ass."

Me: "Todd's going to be great!"

College career
Blackledge was a three-year starter at Penn State, where he guided the Nittany Lions to 315 record including a national championship in 1982. Following the 1982 season, he won the Davey O'Brien Award for best quarterback in the nation.

Professional career
Blackledge was selected in the first round of the 1983 NFL Draft by the Kansas City Chiefs, where he played for five seasons (19831987) before ending his career with the Pittsburgh Steelers (19881989). Blackledge's NFL career was decidedly less successful than his college experience, a fact magnified by the impressive quarterback class in the 1983 NFL Draft, including legendary signal-callers such as John Elway, Dan Marino and Jim Kelly. Blackledge is widely regarded as the Chiefs' biggest draft bust along with Trezelle Jenkins. It was the failure of Blackledge that expedited the demotion of Chiefs President Jack Steadman, to be replaced by Carl Peterson.

So yeah, the spouse-to-be was right...our punter did have a nice ass.

DWMeyer98
05-15-2010, 07:39 AM
I think that one of my bigger misjudgments was Ricky Williams. I thought that he would be a typical "bell-cow" running back and would be good for 1300 yds and 12 tds season after season and end up with 6-8 pro bowls by the end of his career. I know that he hasn't been terrible and has had some very productive years. He just seemed so NFL ready when he was drafted. I never imagined the degree of weirdness that he would bring to the game. It never occurred to me that he would lose his damn mind and smoke more dope than the Amsterdam tourist population at 4:20.

Eli Manning also comes to mind. He certainly came from good stock and was great in college. The talent was always there, but there was just something about his demeanor and body language that made me think that he'd fail under the pressure of playing in NYC. It took him a few seasons but he seems to be fairly comfortable as a leader on his his team and is a Super Bowl MVP.

Short Leash Hootie
05-15-2010, 09:18 AM
Reggie Bush and Michael Vick...

I thought Reggie Bush was going to be a once in a generation player...

I thought Michael Vick was going to be amazing...and he was on his way under Dan Reeves...and then for some unknown reason dumbass Mora, Jr. tried turning him into a pocket QB...why would you ever draft Michael Vick to be a pocket QB? Sure...if I were a GM...I'd always have a quality #2 QB in case of injury...but that dude was drafted because of his feet...not because he was supposed to develop into Dan Marino...I never understood that...

Yep...2002 was the year...the year they beat...CRUSHED Green Bay at Lambeau in the playoffs where Michael Vick put on a clinic...

I thought for sure he was going to be a superster...then he got hurt in 2003...the Falcons had a terrible year...they canned Reeves...and then they tried turning him into something he wasn't...

Short Leash Hootie
05-15-2010, 09:20 AM
I also thought Bernard Pollard...after his rookie season where he was blocking punts left and right...I thought for sure he was going to develop into a flat out stud...he reminded me of Ian Gold the way he burst on to the scene via special teams...

milkman
05-15-2010, 09:27 AM
Reggie Bush and Michael Vick...

I thought Reggie Bush was going to be a once in a generation player...

I thought Michael Vick was going to be amazing...and he was on his way under Dan Reeves...and then for some unknown reason dumbass Mora, Jr. tried turning him into a pocket QB...why would you ever draft Michael Vick to be a pocket QB? Sure...if I were a GM...I'd always have a quality #2 QB in case of injury...but that dude was drafted because of his feet...not because he was supposed to develop into Dan Marino...I never understood that...

Yep...2002 was the year...the year they beat...CRUSHED Green Bay at Lambeau in the playoffs where Michael Vick put on a clinic...

I thought for sure he was going to be a superster...then he got hurt in 2003...the Falcons had a terrible year...they canned Reeves...and then they tried turning him into something he wasn't...

You try turning him into a pocket QB, because a QB that can't function in the pocket can't win a SB.

You want to use his athletic ability as another weapon, but you still need him to learn to make reads and make plays consistently from the pocket.

Steve Young couldn't win a SB with an outstanding 49er team until he finally learned to do that.

Short Leash Hootie
05-15-2010, 09:37 AM
Meh.

Steve Young was never Michael Vick.

Vick was never meant to be a pocket QB if you ask me...who knows...I don't think he had the intelligence/work ethic anyways...but after 2002 I thought for sure he was going to be a superstar...things never got better after that. The pinnacle of his career was definitely beating Favre at Lambeau in the playoffs in 2002 when no one beat Favre at Lambeau...

milkman
05-15-2010, 09:53 AM
Meh.

Steve Young was never Michael Vick.

Vick was never meant to be a pocket QB if you ask me...who knows...I don't think he had the intelligence/work ethic anyways...but after 2002 I thought for sure he was going to be a superstar...things never got better after that. The pinnacle of his career was definitely beating Favre at Lambeau in the playoffs in 2002 when no one beat Favre at Lambeau...

Young wasn't as athletic and fast as Vick, but against the better defenses he was a more effective runner than Vick because he had better patience and vision when running than Vick did/does.

It still comes down to one thing.

Great defenses can neutralize a running QB.

redsurfer11
05-15-2010, 09:58 AM
Every QBOTF the Chiefs have ever had. Tim Barnett and Andre Ware.

milkman
05-15-2010, 10:00 AM
Every QBOTF the Chiefs have ever had. Tim Barnett and Andre Ware.

You mean Todd Blackledge?

listopencil
05-15-2010, 10:35 AM
Off the top of my head, and because this is a Chiefs board, Dorsey. My son and I were just dying when KC drafted him. I'm not going to call him a bust but he hasn't performed anywhere near where I thought he would.

boogblaster
05-15-2010, 10:50 AM
Young Manning .. he sucks ....

Short Leash Hootie
05-15-2010, 10:51 AM
Young Manning .. he sucks ....

I would give my left nut for Eli Manning to be our QB...

milkman
05-15-2010, 11:04 AM
I would give my left nut for Eli Manning to be our QB...

Would Peyton give it back?

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-15-2010, 01:52 PM
Flacco: I thought he would suck ass.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-15-2010, 01:53 PM
I would give my left nut for Eli Manning to be our QB...

Well, if he's half as good as his brother in the clutch...

milkman
05-15-2010, 01:56 PM
Well, if he's half as good as his brother in the clutch...

Did you say crotch? :drool:/Hootie

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-15-2010, 02:00 PM
Did you say crotch? :drool:/Hootie

LMAO slurp-slurp/nom-nom-nom...

Pioli Zombie
05-15-2010, 02:59 PM
Reggie Bush and Michael Vick...

I thought Reggie Bush was going to be a once in a generation player...

I thought Michael Vick was going to be amazing...and he was on his way under Dan Reeves...and then for some unknown reason dumbass Mora, Jr. tried turning him into a pocket QB...why would you ever draft Michael Vick to be a pocket QB? Sure...if I were a GM...I'd always have a quality #2 QB in case of injury...but that dude was drafted because of his feet...not because he was supposed to develop into Dan Marino...I never understood that...

Yep...2002 was the year...the year they beat...CRUSHED Green Bay at Lambeau in the playoffs where Michael Vick put on a clinic...

I thought for sure he was going to be a superster...then he got hurt in 2003...the Falcons had a terrible year...they canned Reeves...and then they tried turning him into something he wasn't...
Well to be fair didn't he have a terrific year in 2004, taking them to the NFC Title game?

Pioli Zombie
05-15-2010, 03:03 PM
Cunty Cunterson. After what he accomplished with the Virginia Vaginas I was really really surprised at how poor he played with the Pittsburgh Prolapsed Rectums.

BigMeatballDave
05-15-2010, 03:23 PM
What? Mecca hasn't posted in this thread? Shocker...

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-15-2010, 04:39 PM
Cunty Cunterson. After what he accomplished with the Virginia Vaginas I was really really surprised at how poor he played with the Pittsburgh Prolapsed Rectums.

LMAO

Mr. Laz
05-18-2010, 12:49 PM
Aqib Talib ... i didn't think he had the quickness or brains to make it at a high level in the NFL.

Dallas Tightend David LeFleur ... not that i loved him or anything but i figured that it wasn't worth it for the Chiefs to pay so much to trade up for Gonzo instead of just staying home and taking LeFleur. So i dont' know whether that is me underestimating Gonzo or overestimating Lefleur. :shrug:

Rain Man
05-18-2010, 12:53 PM
I realize that I didn't respond properly in this thread. I earlier mentioned a couple of busts that I thought were going to be good, but that's the opposite. Players who are good that I figured would be busts are probably limited to the first round, and I would have to say that Roethlisberger is high up there. I didn't think he'd be successful at all. Pretty much any workout warrior who rises quickly is a guy I'm going to assume will be a bust.

Chiefnj2
05-18-2010, 12:57 PM
I realize that I didn't respond properly in this thread. I earlier mentioned a couple of busts that I thought were going to be good, but that's the opposite. Players who are good that I figured would be busts are probably limited to the first round, and I would have to say that Roethlisberger is high up there. I didn't think he'd be successful at all. Pretty much any workout warrior who rises quickly is a guy I'm going to assume will be a bust.

I had him rated as a good QB, but bad rapist. I was wrong on the rape evaluation.