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BigCatDaddy
05-13-2010, 04:07 PM
It's about time!

Oso
05-13-2010, 04:08 PM
Ned Yost?

HeadArrow
05-13-2010, 04:08 PM
Wow, Dayton Moore is one shook up dude.

BigCatDaddy
05-13-2010, 04:08 PM
Moore giving farwell speech now.

loochy
05-13-2010, 04:09 PM
:doh!:

Im confused.

petegz28
05-13-2010, 04:09 PM
WTF is Ned Yost?

sedated
05-13-2010, 04:09 PM
link?

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:10 PM
Well, I said it would happen at the break. Shocked it happened before then.

Yost is an upgrade.

siberian khatru
05-13-2010, 04:10 PM
They win and he gets fired?

HeadArrow
05-13-2010, 04:10 PM
Live on Fox Sports Midwest right now.

petegz28
05-13-2010, 04:11 PM
Well, I said it would happen at the break. Shocked it happened before then.

Yost is an upgrade.

WTF is Ned Yost???

Chief3188
05-13-2010, 04:11 PM
Good now tell Dayton to take a hike and tell Glass to sell the team to someone who wants to win.

Bane
05-13-2010, 04:11 PM
Well....Bye.......

Gadzooks
05-13-2010, 04:11 PM
link?

This.

siberian khatru
05-13-2010, 04:11 PM
WTF is Ned Yost???

Another guy with Braves ties.

blaise
05-13-2010, 04:11 PM
And the cycle of suck marches on. Crappy players and crappy managers come and go and the team loses 90+ games.

Chief3188
05-13-2010, 04:12 PM
Scott Pioli should manage both the Royals and Chiefs.... He is that good

Jethopper
05-13-2010, 04:14 PM
Wow, trey was a victim of jap baseball tactics

petegz28
05-13-2010, 04:14 PM
Another guy with Braves ties.

What's his background?

dirk digler
05-13-2010, 04:15 PM
And the cycle of suck marches on. Crappy players and crappy managers come and go and the team loses 90+ games.

Yep. God this team sucks so bad.

Molitoth
05-13-2010, 04:15 PM
Is this for realz??

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-13-2010, 04:16 PM
:rockon:PBJPBJPBJPBJ:toast::toast::toast::rockon:

Let the Dayton Moore watch begin

Dayze
05-13-2010, 04:16 PM
so, now do they start over with another 'process'?

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 04:17 PM
Dayton has to be on the clock NOW

HemiEd
05-13-2010, 04:17 PM
A step in the right direction.

BigCatDaddy
05-13-2010, 04:17 PM
This.

I'm listening to the new conference on 810 now.

Rooster
05-13-2010, 04:17 PM
Is this for realz??

:shrug:

Jethopper
05-13-2010, 04:17 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/34/NedHanlon.jpg/330px-NedHanlon.jpg

Is this Ned Yost?

Molitoth
05-13-2010, 04:17 PM
I don't see this on Espn.com or kcroyals.com.

blaise
05-13-2010, 04:18 PM
What's his background?

he managed the Brewers a few years back when they were decent, but I think his teams collapsed late. He's just another guy that will come in, manage for 2.5 seasons and get fired.

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:18 PM
What's his background?

He was a ML catcher, primarily a backup, and he managed the Brewers.

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 04:18 PM
Well, I said it would happen at the break. Shocked it happened before then.

Yost is an upgrade.

How quickly after the game did this happen?

Jethopper
05-13-2010, 04:18 PM
I just remember how bad he sucked with the brewers

blaise
05-13-2010, 04:18 PM
This shows they're serious about pretending to care.

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:18 PM
he managed the Brewers a few years back when they were decent, but I think his teams collapsed late. He's just another guy that will come in, manage for 2.5 seasons and get fired.

LMAO. Uh...sadly...

But at least this might be the manager that helps get Moore fired.

siberian khatru
05-13-2010, 04:19 PM
Does Trey get to take Gil Meche's right arm with him as a keepsake?

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 04:19 PM
Is yost going to do the drafting?

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:19 PM
How quickly after the game did this happen?

Joel was trying to interview Guy Fieriaiea and was interrupted with "breaking news!!".

Mr. Arrowhead
05-13-2010, 04:19 PM
ROFL, funny part is, they announced this after a win

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 04:19 PM
How quickly after the game did this happen?

Security threw him out like Jazz off of fresh prince

healthpellets
05-13-2010, 04:19 PM
This.

they just scrolled it across ch. 9.

wasn't yost in the the Brewers system for a while?

blaise
05-13-2010, 04:20 PM
Security threw him out like Jazz off of fresh prince

Which is almost as fast as Jazz out of the Power and Light district.

Chief3188
05-13-2010, 04:21 PM
ROFL, funny part is, they announced this after a win

It was probably planned to be announced after another Grienke loss but.....

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:21 PM
"The failure of this baseball team is predicated on the decisions I ultimately make in the short term and the long term," Moore said.

Dayton, I couldn't agree more.

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 04:21 PM
Which is almost as fast as Jazz out of the Power and Light district.

LMAO

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-13-2010, 04:21 PM
Does Trey get to take Gil Meche's right arm with him as a keepsake?

ROFL

kstater
05-13-2010, 04:21 PM
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/h/hunt/hunt_scapegoat.jpg

siberian khatru
05-13-2010, 04:21 PM
Before he managed the Brew Crew, Yost was a coach with the Braves for a decade.

dirk digler
05-13-2010, 04:21 PM
Yost was hired by the Royals in January as a consultant. Hopefully this is just a 2010 season deal.

RockChalk
05-13-2010, 04:22 PM
:rockon:

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:22 PM
We're changing the culture.

http://speakupforscience.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/the_wasteland_by_karezoid.jpg

siberian khatru
05-13-2010, 04:22 PM
This shows they're serious about pretending to care.

As a Royals nihilist, I appreciate the cynicism.

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 04:24 PM
ohhhhhhh nice marmet

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 04:24 PM
"The failure of this baseball team is predicated on the decisions I ultimately make in the short term and the long term," Moore said.

Dayton, I couldn't agree more.

Agreed...

Also...

Trey went out on top though, great career winning his last game LMAO

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:25 PM
Agreed...

Also...

Trey went out on top though, great career winning his last game LMAO

I give him credit for showing up to manage, knowing he was fired. Also, it would have been easy for him to abuse Greinke, and he didn't.

Dude is not a high-quality manager, but he was set up to fail and handled himself with class.

Stewie
05-13-2010, 04:25 PM
They win and he gets fired?

He knew he was out yesterday and wanted to go out on a winning note.

gblowfish
05-13-2010, 04:26 PM
Ah, the dreaded vote of confidence. From yesterday's KC Star:

But while general manager Dayton Moore gave him the dreaded vote of confidence Tuesday, Hillman is trying to remain optimistic.

“I’m 11 games under .500 (this season), and I still feel blessed to be here,” Hillman said. “We’re not where we want to be, and I’m not where I want to be, answering this question right now.

“But we have 120-something games left. Over the years, I’ve learned that the first month and a half of the season does not a season make. We’ve still got some time to get some things right and change parts.”

This guy just didn't get it. He's as clueless and Tony Muser was, and was as hang dog as Buddy Bell. And the sad thing is, it won't make a bit of difference. This fish stinks from the head down.

Well...bye Trey. At least they love you in Texas.

BigCatDaddy
05-13-2010, 04:27 PM
We should average another run a game if he takes Dave Owen with him.

Stewie
05-13-2010, 04:27 PM
OH! Trey is BITTER at the start of his presser!

DJ's left nut
05-13-2010, 04:28 PM
Yost as a manager is a good start. He's a very solid manager.

Now get a real GM in there and you might be onto something.

You know who would be damn interesting for KC -- Gerry Hunsicker.

He was the brains behind the Astros in the late 90s when they were great. He's the #2 guy in TB behind Andrew Freidman as a paid consultant.

Maybe winning in TB has Hunsicker excited about baseball again and ready to run his own shop.

no love
05-13-2010, 04:28 PM
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/h/hunt/hunt_scapegoat.jpg

love this!

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 04:29 PM
Police are escorting Hillman out of the basement as you can see. there on the left the man in the hat is the sherriff of the place *bang* OH MY GOD HILLMAN HAS BEEN SHOT HILLMAN HAS BEEN SHOT BY A PERSON IN A Kansas City Royals hat. OH MY GOD It's Bip Roberts!

OnTheWarpath58
05-13-2010, 04:30 PM
Congrats Royals fans.

One down, one to go.

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:30 PM
"They [DM and staff] don't stop! They don't quit!" Hillman gushed.

Unfortunately, they should.

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:31 PM
Yost as a manager is a good start. He's a very solid manager.

Now get a real GM in there and you might be onto something.

You know who would be damn interesting for KC -- Gerry Hunsicker.

He was the brains behind the Astros in the late 90s when they were great. He's the #2 guy in TB behind Andrew Freidman as a paid consultant.

Maybe winning in TB has Hunsicker excited about baseball again and ready to run his own shop.

Congrats Royals fans.

One down, one to go.

And the Card fans show up to piss all over the thread!!!!

alnorth
05-13-2010, 04:31 PM
"The failure of this baseball team is predicated on the decisions I ultimately make in the short term and the long term," Moore said.

Dayton, I couldn't agree more.

Terrific. Dayton, you've probably got a year and a half. If we are terrible at the end of next season, I want you gone.

dirk digler
05-13-2010, 04:33 PM
I give him credit for showing up to manage, knowing he was fired. Also, it would have been easy for him to abuse Greinke, and he didn't.

Dude is not a high-quality manager, but he was set up to fail and handled himself with class.

Maybe it is just softie me but it is hard to hate Trey he is a good guy with alot of class but he took a shitty ass job run by a shitty owner.

blaise
05-13-2010, 04:34 PM
Yost as a manager is a good start. He's a very solid manager.

Now get a real GM in there and you might be onto something.

You know who would be damn interesting for KC -- Gerry Hunsicker.

He was the brains behind the Astros in the late 90s when they were great. He's the #2 guy in TB behind Andrew Freidman as a paid consultant.

Maybe winning in TB has Hunsicker excited about baseball again and ready to run his own shop.

Hunsicker wouldn't come here, I don't think.. I'd love it if he did, but one of the things he hated about Houston was that Drayton Maclane (sp?) always tried to tell him who he could and couldn't sign or trade. (not to mention Maclane regularly called him "Hunsinger") I don't think he'd enjoy working for the Glasses. From the way I understand it he went to Tampa because it was convenient for him to be there and he liked the set up and the nature of the role. I don't think the Royals could duplicate that. I would love it if they did.
It's a good name though, I totally agree. If they could get him it would be totally awesome. He's a great GM.

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:34 PM
Maybe it is just softie me but it is hard to hate Trey he is a good guy with alot of class but he took a shitty ass job run by a shitty owner.

I agree, dirk.

Good dude. Poor manager. Same feeling that I had about Herm Edwards.

The Rick
05-13-2010, 04:34 PM
You guys are going to end up hating Yost. He can be a real outspoken idiot who's loyal to a fault with his players. And, as already been said, his teams collapse in September. Trust me on this...EVERYONE in Milwaukee was calling for his head when he got fired. Everyone.

Pitt Gorilla
05-13-2010, 04:35 PM
Good now tell Dayton to take a hike and tell Glass to sell the team to someone who wants to win.No.

PunkinDrublic
05-13-2010, 04:35 PM
Bring back Tony Pena!

alnorth
05-13-2010, 04:35 PM
Maybe it is just softie me but it is hard to hate Trey he is a good guy with alot of class but he took a shitty ass job run by a shitty <del>owner</del>general manager.

FYP. In the last few years, there's very little that Glass has done that he shouldn't have done, or didn't do that he should have. After "you hired Dayton Moore", I cant think of much else, and even thats hard to pin on him because he was the consensus #1 GM prospect.

dirk digler
05-13-2010, 04:36 PM
Same feeling that I had about Herm Edwards.

I wouldn't go that far ;)

DMAC
05-13-2010, 04:36 PM
Can this be the new thread tag for the royals?

:facepalm:

KCUnited
05-13-2010, 04:36 PM
You guys are going to end up hating Yost. He can be a real outspoken idiot who's loyal to a fault with his players. And, as already been said, his teams collapse in September. Trust me on this...EVERYONE in Milwaukee was calling for his head when he got fired. Everyone.
We'll take it.

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 04:36 PM
I give him credit for showing up to manage, knowing he was fired. Also, it would have been easy for him to abuse Greinke, and he didn't.

Dude is not a high-quality manager, but he was set up to fail and handled himself with class.

Agreed, i kind've feel bad now, hell i feel for anyone that has to be a manager under DM

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:36 PM
We'll take it.

ROFL

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 04:37 PM
You guys are going to end up hating Yost. He can be a real outspoken idiot who's loyal to a fault with his players. And, as already been said, his teams collapse in September. Trust me on this...EVERYONE in Milwaukee was calling for his head when he got fired. Everyone.

This better be an interm move, there is no way they can hire the right guy right now anyway

kc rush
05-13-2010, 04:37 PM
Does Trey get to take Gil Meche's right arm with him as a keepsake?

No shit. :cuss:

Rooster
05-13-2010, 04:37 PM
You guys are going to end up hating Yost. He can be a real outspoken idiot who's loyal to a fault with his players. And, as already been said, his teams collapse in September. Trust me on this...EVERYONE in Milwaukee was calling for his head when he got fired. Everyone.

:D

OnTheWarpath58
05-13-2010, 04:37 PM
And the Card fans show up to piss all over the thread!!!!

LMAO

Archie F. Swin
05-13-2010, 04:38 PM
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,644297,00.jpg

PunkinDrublic
05-13-2010, 04:38 PM
You guys are going to end up hating Yost. He can be a real outspoken idiot who's loyal to a fault with his players. And, as already been said, his teams collapse in September. Trust me on this...EVERYONE in Milwaukee was calling for his head when he got fired. Everyone.

So you're saying he'll bring us a pennant race! Yes!

DJ's left nut
05-13-2010, 04:39 PM
And the Card fans show up to piss all over the thread!!!!

Not at all.

I really think you guys have a good manager on your hands.

A bunch of people seem to be hoping that Yost is just a gap-filler like that clown John Gibbons would have been. I completely disagree.

At this point, I think you guys have the 2nd best manager in the divison (Gardenhire is very good).

Congrats.

(But seriously, shit-can that GM of yours; he's the worst ;) )

Stewie
05-13-2010, 04:39 PM
You guys are going to end up hating Yost. He can be a real outspoken idiot who's loyal to a fault with his players. And, as already been said, his teams collapse in September. Trust me on this...EVERYONE in Milwaukee was calling for his head when he got fired. Everyone.

We don't care about his time in Milwaukee. We aren't going to collapse in September when we're 30 games out. This is about making a change for the rest of this year.

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:39 PM
"I don't know what I'd do as a General Manager." /Trey

Don't worry, Trey, Dayton feels the same way.

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 04:40 PM
We decided to tell trey to take his salsa and get the fuck outta here

suds79
05-13-2010, 04:40 PM
Does it really matter who the manager is? I mean really think about that question.

alnorth
05-13-2010, 04:41 PM
And, as already been said, his teams collapse in September.

We've got a ***LONG*** way to go to "collapse in September". This was the worst baseball team in the 2000's with a hilarious number of 100-loss seasons.

We can find someone else to get those last few wins after we start to sniff the playoff picture.

DJ's left nut
05-13-2010, 04:41 PM
Hunsicker wouldn't come here, I don't think.. I'd love it if he did, but one of the things he hated about Houston was that Drayton Maclane (sp?) always tried to tell him who he could and couldn't sign or trade. (not to mention Maclane regularly called him "Hunsinger") I don't think he'd enjoy working for the Glasses. From the way I understand it he went to Tampa because it was convenient for him to be there and he liked the set up and the nature of the role. I don't think the Royals could duplicate that. I would love it if they did.
It's a good name though, I totally agree. If they could get him it would be totally awesome. He's a great GM.

Glass has been a very good owner for the last 5 years.

If Hunsicker took over the Royals when Moore did and was given the same latitutde and finances that Moore was given, he'd have no worse than a .500 ballclub right now and I honestly think they'd be fighting for the division.

kc rush
05-13-2010, 04:41 PM
Maybe it is just softie me but it is hard to hate Trey he is a good guy with alot of class but he took a shitty ass job run by a shitty owner.

And did a shitty job.

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 04:42 PM
I'd have a glass of milk with Trey

Jethopper
05-13-2010, 04:42 PM
Confucious say: "Baseball wrong - man with four balls cannot walk."

KCUnited
05-13-2010, 04:43 PM
Trey just got fired and we're already talking September?

alnorth
05-13-2010, 04:43 PM
Does it really matter who the manager is? I mean really think about that question.

Yes, but only in the context that the GM will generally not be fired until he at least is given the chance to hire 2 managers. (sometimes 3) This is his 2nd manager hire, so the door's now open a crack to kick his ass out when we fail some more.

DJ's left nut
05-13-2010, 04:43 PM
We don't care about his time in Milwaukee. We aren't going to collapse in September when we're 30 games out. This is about making a change for the rest of this year.

Yost was the manager when baseball became relevant in Milwaukee again.

He didn't get them over the hump, but he did a great job of getting those guys to believe they could win ballgames. He was instrumental in the development of Fielder, Braun and Hardy (who collased again once Yost left).

He had a couple of bad Septembers, but those teams weren't as talented as the squads they were chasing anyway. One could only hold up the house of cards for so long.

Yost is a very good manager.

kc rush
05-13-2010, 04:44 PM
"I don't know what I'd do as a General Manager." /Trey

Don't worry, Trey, Dayton feels the same way.

ROFL Rep

CaliforniaChief
05-13-2010, 04:44 PM
Maybe Ned Yost will be Jim Tracy v2.0

Probably not.

BWillie
05-13-2010, 04:45 PM
We are goin' to the ship now

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:45 PM
Yost is a very good manager.

He's a viable manager, no question, which will make Dayton's failings even Moore (sorry, had to) obvious.

suds79
05-13-2010, 04:46 PM
Yes, but only in the context that the GM will generally not be fired until he at least is given the chance to hire 2 managers. (sometimes 3) This is his 2nd manager hire, so the door's now open a crack to kick his ass out when we fail some more.

Honestly it's sad but that makes a lot of sense.

I can accept that.

I just feel for the fans who get fooled into thinking it'll get better under a new manager. He'll be fired in about 3 years.

petegz28
05-13-2010, 04:47 PM
Yost was hired by the Royals in January as a consultant. Hopefully this is just a 2010 season deal.

Ok, he was the guy. I knew when they announced they had hired a "consultant" that he was the replacement for Trey.

CaliforniaChief
05-13-2010, 04:47 PM
Dang, it's already taken.

http://www.firenedyost.com/

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 04:48 PM
watching the royals is like watching old yeller, if old yeller was 26 dogs

|Zach|
05-13-2010, 04:48 PM
watching the royals is like watching old yeller, if old yeller was 26 dogs

ROFL

The Rick
05-13-2010, 04:48 PM
We've got a ***LONG*** way to go to "collapse in September". This was the worst baseball team in the 2000's with a hilarious number of 100-loss seasons.

We can find someone else to get those last few wins after we start to sniff the playoff picture.
The point isn't WHEN they collapse, it's WHY they collapse. Trust me, his personality is going to wear on both you fans and the players.

Predarat
05-13-2010, 04:49 PM
Bob Boone, Tony Muser, Tony Peña, Buddy Bell, Trey Hillman - 15 years of epic fail. Except for 1/2 year of Nosotros Kremos under Pena, that was kinda cool, until they choked lol

kc rush
05-13-2010, 04:50 PM
The point isn't WHEN they collapse, it's WHY they collapse. Trust me, his personality is going to wear on both you fans and the players.

When you say "both you fans", do you mean the two that are left?

PunkinDrublic
05-13-2010, 04:51 PM
The point isn't WHEN they collapse, it's WHY they collapse. Trust me, his personality is going to wear on both you fans and the players.

You're not very familiar with our futility are you?

CHENZ A!
05-13-2010, 04:53 PM
Yostface Killer!
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DJ's left nut
05-13-2010, 04:54 PM
The point isn't WHEN they collapse, it's WHY they collapse. Trust me, his personality is going to wear on both you fans and the players.

Yup, it will.

But that's what happens with these kinds of managers. Guys like Buck Showalter will always be guys that can take these sad-sack franchises and whip them into shape.

By about the time the team gets to thinking it can win games, it's a little tired of the shrill taskmaster that got them there and tunes him out.

So in comes the next voice to take them over the top.

I think Yost can do more than you're giving him credit for. But even if he can't, he's absolutely an ideal candidate to actually get this club turned around.

alnorth
05-13-2010, 04:55 PM
The point isn't WHEN they collapse, it's WHY they collapse. Trust me, his personality is going to wear on both you fans and the players.

dont really care, personally. I'll let other people scream about the manager, he is the least relevant manager/coach/head guy on the field of all of professional sports. The difference between the best manager in baseball and Trey would be perhaps a handful of games, say maybe 7 or 8 at most. The General Manager is the end-all be-all of baseball teams.

Just about the only thing I expect out of a Royals manager is to play AL ball (its all about walks and homers, not stealing bases and bunting), and don't injure our pitchers. Trey failed spectacularly even with this very low hurdle, but you give me an average run-of-the-mill manager who wont break pitching arms and bunt all damn day, then I'm ok with him, regardless of "personality".

Ebolapox
05-13-2010, 04:55 PM
Wow, trey was a victim of jap baseball tactics

fuckin' pearl harbor, man!

GoHuge
05-13-2010, 04:56 PM
Maybe it is just softie me but it is hard to hate Trey he is a good guy with alot of class but he took a shitty ass job run by a shitty owner.This team has just started acting like a Major League franchise three years ago as far as the draft and farm system goes. It took the Twins 10 years to fix their system. Ours has been gutted and we're just waiting for that guy that's two years away. When we as fans are so well versed about our minor league players.......that shows how sad things have been.

I've always liked Trey as a person. I admire the way he's handled himself today........no excuses. A straight shooting solid guy, but it was time. You know what though? No manager has a ****ing chance in hell to be successful at this job. Ned Yost..........another sacrificial lamb. We've watched this dog and pony show for 20 years. Just running through another guy setup to fail.

Until this team has the players capable of winning I'll always remember Buddy Bell and what he said about being the manager of this team. "Just take what I said last night and play it over again."

dirk digler
05-13-2010, 04:56 PM
Ok, he was the guy. I knew when they announced they had hired a "consultant" that he was the replacement for Trey.

In an article I just read Dayton was swearing up and down he wasn't hired just in case. Yeah right.

Anyway if Yost was hired as a consultant he should be fired because his consulting sucks.

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 04:59 PM
Getzy?

And is this really a loss worth noting? Maybe, if it meant Betancourt wouldn't play.

Rooster
05-13-2010, 04:59 PM
Anyway if Yost was hired as a consultant he should be fired because his consulting sucks.

That is a valid point.

alnorth
05-13-2010, 05:00 PM
In an article I just read Dayton was swearing up and down he wasn't hired just in case. Yeah right.

Anyway if Yost was hired as a consultant he should be fired because his consulting sucks.

I think his full title was "consultant in charge of the baseball manager search committee"

Yost: "Hi Dayton? I've finished my studies and am ready to deliver my report. The most qualified candidate is me."

Moore: "Great, I'm convinced, you have the job."

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 05:00 PM
Anyway if Yost was hired as a consultant he should be fired because his consulting sucks.

What? You're clearly not serious, right?

CaliforniaChief
05-13-2010, 05:00 PM
I hear George Brett is playing in a charity golf gig. Let's send the intern out to ask him what's on his mind./Jack Harry.

keg in kc
05-13-2010, 05:01 PM
And I still don't care enough to watch a game.

kstater
05-13-2010, 05:01 PM
http://www.kcconfidential.com/?p=15819#more-15819

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“Just the overall play of our team. We just needed to move forward and that’s what we decided to do… Just the last 24 hours or so.”
Dayton Moore, when asked to give the reason for Hillman’s firing, 810 AM
GH: Almost immediately following the Royals first win in eight games Thursday afternoon, Dayton Moore announced to the media gathered at Kauffman Stadium for the post-game press conference that he had made the decision to fire Trey Hillman. He named Ned Yost as the Royals’ interim manager.

“I love Trey Hillman. … I apologize but obviously it’s a very difficult decision.” Dayton Moore, as he tearfully broke down and was forced to pause for several moments as he addressed the media to announce Hillman’s firing, 810 AM
GH: This was unusual. Moore struggled mightily to hold back his tears and was not successful. I can understand that firing a friend can be difficult but this was simply unprofessional and showed a side of Moore that makes me think he too is in over his head. The Royals need a GM with a Wal-Mart ruthlessness to run our franchise. Not a guy who slobbers over the firing of a guy he liked but proved to be woefully inadequate.


“You guys want to talk about the game or do you want to talk about more pressing matters?
Trey Hillman, initially addressing the media at his final Royals’ postgame press conference, 810 AM
GH: Unbelievably, Hillman answered questions about the game prior to addressing the fact he had been canned! If this has ever happened in any sport I would like to know where and when. It was an unreal surreal moment – a lame duck coach answering questions about a meaningless game of a team that no longer is his employer.

“He said I’m not going out losing seven in a row.” Dayton Moore, divulging that Hillman knew he had been canned prior to the game, 810 AM

GH: I wonder what Hillman was thinking when the Royals were down 0-3 in the third? Speaking of what was someone thinking – 610 Sports was smoked by 810 in covering the Hillman firing. While 810 AM was airing Moore’s press conference live at 4:00 pm, 610 was carrying the Royals radio network’s standard postgame coverage and a bevy of commercials. This was a sports radio beat down of Kietzman/Fortune proportions. An ass whipping that stumbling 610 Sports simply cannot afford to absorb. I mean 610 is the flagship radio rights holder for the Royals! 810 basically scooped 610 on their own team! Nick Wright was not able to wrestle control of 610’s programming away from Bob Davis reading the postgame stats sheet until 4:15 PM, well after the news bomb had been dropped and 810 had danced all over 610’s limping, bleeding carcass.
Greghall24@yahoo.com and Twitter / greghall24

OmahaChief
05-13-2010, 05:02 PM
So long Trey. As a person he is a great man as a manager he was a diaster. Excited to see anyone else in there and see if it makes any difference at all. Bullpen and lineup management should be better.

KCUnited
05-13-2010, 05:03 PM
Anyway if Yost was hired as a consultant he should be fired because his consulting sucks.
Trey did cut his Kaufullet, how do you know that wastn't Yost?

Deberg_1990
05-13-2010, 05:04 PM
So how long until the Yankees pick up Hillman?

dirk digler
05-13-2010, 05:05 PM
I think his full title was "consultant in charge of the baseball manager search committee"

Yost: "Hi Dayton? I've finished my studies and am ready to deliver my report. The most qualified candidate is me."

Moore: "Great, I'm convinced, you have the job."

That is probably about right LMAO

What? You're clearly not serious, right?

Deadly serious man. The Royals are 12-23 and in last place again wtf consulting did he do? :)

HemiEd
05-13-2010, 05:05 PM
The point isn't WHEN they collapse, it's WHY they collapse. Trust me, his personality is going to wear on both you fans and the players.

Nothing wears on you as bad as being out of it, year after year, before it is safe to put the tomato plants out.

alnorth
05-13-2010, 05:05 PM
So how long until the Yankees pick up Hillman?

He'll be a coach somewhere for a while. Eventually some other team will decide to put him back on the "old boy's club merry-go-round"

siberian khatru
05-13-2010, 05:06 PM
dont really care, personally. I'll let other people scream about the manager, he is the least relevant manager/coach/head guy on the field of all of professional sports. The difference between the best manager in baseball and Trey would be perhaps a handful of games, say maybe 7 or 8 at most. The General Manager is the end-all be-all of baseball teams.

Just about the only thing I expect out of a Royals manager is to play AL ball (its all about walks and homers, not stealing bases and bunting), and don't injure our pitchers. Trey failed spectacularly even with this very low hurdle, but you give me an average run-of-the-mill manager who wont break pitching arms and bunt all damn day, then I'm ok with him, regardless of "personality".

I've typed a couple of things for this thread, only to delete them before posting them with a "Meh, screw it." But you pretty much said what I was going to say.

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 05:06 PM
It's important that Yost has ML experience as both a player and a manager.

OmahaChief
05-13-2010, 05:07 PM
I hope this means Windmill Owen is removed as third base coach since he was a friend of Trey.

dirk digler
05-13-2010, 05:07 PM
Ned Yost is now with the Royals, the former Brewers manager joining a team where the current manager has taken some criticism.

So the instinct is to wonder if the Royals just bought an insurance policy on Trey Hillman. Not so, says general manager Dayton Moore.

“That’s not the motive,” Moore says. “The motive is hiring good people to impact your organization. Trey was as much on board bringing on Ned as I was. But I can understand that (thinking). They said the same thing when we hired John Gibbons.”

Yost, who will serve as a special assistant to baseball operations, said the idea of managing never came up in his discussions with the Royals.

“We never talked about that,” Yost says. “I don’t think that’s the reason they brought me in. I think they brought me in for my experience, another major league manager who’s been through it and can help the organization get where they’re going to get. That’s the sole purpose. I wouldn’t read anything into it more than that.”

Yost will assist in a wide variety of areas, everything from working with minor- and major-league players to scouting.


http://www.kansascity.com/2010/01/13/1682385/royals-hire-former-manager-ned.html#ixzz0nqjyZ400

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 05:07 PM
I hope this means Windmill Owen is removed as third base coach since he was a friend of Trey.

Great point.

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 05:09 PM
Windmill Owens. this thread is win!

Deberg_1990
05-13-2010, 05:09 PM
Well at least Yost has had a smidgen of success.......

alnorth
05-13-2010, 05:10 PM
It's important that Yost has ML experience as both a player and a manager.

Trey Hillman now has previous managing experience. I encourage any AL Central team thinking about making a change to give him a shot. Especially if they have 2 or 3 young promising starting pitchers.

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 05:10 PM
Hillman won the title in japan with the hiroshima flashers

DaWolf
05-13-2010, 05:11 PM
Wake me up when we can Moore...

DJ's left nut
05-13-2010, 05:11 PM
He'll be a coach somewhere for a while. Eventually some other team will decide to put him back on the "old boy's club merry-go-round"

Terrifyingly enough -- Tony LaRussa loves the guy.

Thankfully the Cards coaching jobs are already filled up by "Tony's Guys" or I'd be in abject terror of Hillman being brought in as a bench coach for 2 or 3 years then taking over after LaRussa leaves.

alnorth
05-13-2010, 05:12 PM
Wake me up when we can Moore...

set your snooze alarm for October 2011. If the sun is not yet up, feel free to keep sleeping another year.

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 05:12 PM
Terrifyingly enough -- Tony LaRussa loves the guy.

Thankfully the Cards coaching jobs are already filled up by "Tony's Guys" or I'd be in abject terror of Hillman being brought in as a bench coach for 2 or 3 years then taking over after LaRussa leaves.

I'm sorry, but I would have to laugh. It might not be my new happy place, but I'd sure as fuck laugh.

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 05:13 PM
I would be on board to have a dream team of former royals managers come in. Pena, Muser, Duke, Mcrae, etc

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 05:14 PM
How many handles would Muser and Mac bring to town?

alnorth
05-13-2010, 05:14 PM
Terrifyingly enough -- Tony LaRussa loves the guy.

Thankfully the Cards coaching jobs are already filled up by "Tony's Guys" or I'd be in abject terror of Hillman being brought in as a bench coach for 2 or 3 years then taking over after LaRussa leaves.

Is your bench coach a top managing prospect? He could be promoted away, its not like Trey has to be hired right this second.

DJ's left nut
05-13-2010, 05:17 PM
I'm sorry, but I would have to laugh. It might not be my new happy place, but I'd sure as **** laugh.

I couldn't blame you, in fact you show far more restraint than I would were the roles reversed.

It would be like KU hiring Quin Snyder.

I'm gonna be honest "happy place" isn't adequate.

It would be what I thought of every time I orgasmed just to heighten the experience.

For that matter, it might just be what I'd think of when I'm bored...in order to have an orgasm.

jbwm89
05-13-2010, 05:17 PM
DM seemed so upset I wonder if this wasn't Glass growing a pair and going over Dayton's head. Didn't he say like 5 days ago that trey was doing a terrific job?

58kcfan89
05-13-2010, 05:18 PM
Wake me up when we can Moore...

set your snooze alarm for October 2011. If the sun is not yet up, feel free to keep sleeping another year.

These. The likelihood of Hillman suceeding was not high, especially after Aviles got hurt and was replaced with that POS Betancourt last year and when Ramirez & Nunez were taken from the 'pen. I don't hate the guy and I think the problem lies with Dayton, not Glass or the manager.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm happy that Trey got fired (I think Gil Meche's arm is pretty damn happy, too), but Yost likely won't make this a winning team. Canning Dayton, on the other hand, might.

Deberg_1990
05-13-2010, 05:22 PM
DM seemed so upset I wonder if this wasn't Glass growing a pair and going over Dayton's head. Didn't he say like 5 days ago that trey was doing a terrific job?

Perhaps....Rany wrote a few days ago Glass was pissed and the end was near

http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 05:22 PM
DM seemed so upset I wonder if this wasn't Glass growing a pair and going over Dayton's head. Didn't he say like 5 days ago that trey was doing a terrific job?

Vote of Confidence=firing

So did trey know he was getting canned prior to the game?

KCUnited
05-13-2010, 05:26 PM
If your cuts aren't deep enough, Rany has a scouting report on Yuny, from a scout of a team we are playing, that he is going to read verbatim at 6:00 on 810.

I got the late night munchies..

jbwm89
05-13-2010, 05:26 PM
kenbatsingle

Dayton giving Hillman the option to manage today, is another piece of information that makes me think this came from above about 1 hour ago via web

This guy seems to think he knew... not really sure who he is though

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-13-2010, 05:30 PM
Here comes VICTORY!

IN LARGE AMOUNTS!

Deberg_1990
05-13-2010, 05:33 PM
Here comes VICTORY!

IN LARGE AMOUNTS!

heh..sometimes these things help light a fire under a few underachieving guys...

But make no illusions, this team sucks.

-King-
05-13-2010, 05:33 PM
ROFL ROFL @ If we go on like a 15 game winning streak.
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Sweet Daddy Hate
05-13-2010, 05:44 PM
heh..sometimes these things help light a fire under a few underachieving guys...

But make no illusions, this team sucks.

LMAO

1987-2006: RoR lives in KCMO.

1987-2006, Announcer:
"Royals Baseball; CATCH IT"!

ROR:
"Meh". "Is it Football Season yet"?

Chiefs Rool
05-13-2010, 05:45 PM
who is next to get fired in a couple of years?

BillSelfsTrophycase
05-13-2010, 05:50 PM
So did trey know he was getting canned prior to the game?

810 & 610 are both saying he did.

Gotta give the guy props for still managing the game knowing he was gone

Chiefspants
05-13-2010, 05:56 PM
WOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! , YEEEAAAHHH, CHRISTMAS CAME EARLY THIS YEAR!!!!!

petegz28
05-13-2010, 05:56 PM
810 & 610 are both saying he did.

Gotta give the guy props for still managing the game knowing he was gone

Trey said he knew before the game.

58kcfan89
05-13-2010, 06:03 PM
If your cuts aren't deep enough, Rany has a scouting report on Yuny, from a scout of a team we are playing, that he is going to read verbatim at 6:00 on 810.

I got the late night munchies..

Can't fracking wait. This should be good...

warpaint*
05-13-2010, 06:09 PM
ceeeeeeelebrate good times, come on!

SnakeXJones
05-13-2010, 06:15 PM
i can really picture a skit on how he got fired Glengarry Glen Ross style anyway its about time I knew Yost was gonna take his place

WilliamTheIrish
05-13-2010, 06:26 PM
I feel like the team just swept a day-night double header.

soundmind
05-13-2010, 06:27 PM
Make no mistake, this changes absolutely nothing.

Saulbadguy
05-13-2010, 06:31 PM
Ok, without reading the entire thread (becase im slightly intoxicated), is Yost an interim manager, or he is the long term solution? He seems like a loser, just like the last few pieces of shit we've hired.

ArrowheadHawk
05-13-2010, 06:33 PM
Ok, without reading the entire thread (becase im slightly intoxicated), is Yost an interim manager, or he is the long term solution? He seems like a loser, just like the last few pieces of shit we've hired.

Probably. Royals suck ass.

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 06:35 PM
I am sure Yost is for the rest of the season and they will evaluate...they just said he is the next manager of the Royals.

Yost is apparently hated in Milwaukee and said that he is known for tearing up arms in the pen.

This changes alot, Dayton Moore's clock has officially started, and he knows it.

BigMeatballDave
05-13-2010, 06:45 PM
Wow. I'm surprised Moore did it. Probably under pressure from Glass. Didn't I just read something somewhere that Moore said Trey was safe? Methinks Moore should be next...

Reaper16
05-13-2010, 06:49 PM
Wow. I missed quite the development these past three hours.

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 06:51 PM
Wow. I'm surprised Moore did it. Probably under pressure from Glass. Didn't I just read something somewhere that Moore said Trey was safe? Methinks Moore should be next...
Dreaded vote of confidence, considering how emotional DM was, im sure this had more to do with glass....DM knows his ass is on the line now.

DaneMcCloud
05-13-2010, 07:36 PM
Dreaded vote of confidence, considering how emotional DM was, im sure this had more to do with glass....DM knows his ass is on the line now.

Good

gblowfish
05-13-2010, 07:40 PM
On some of the afternoon sports yapping, they talked to some seasoned sports writers in Milwaukee about Yost. All of them said the guy is old school, crusty, plays favorites with players, is hard headed, mis-handles pitching staffs, gets snippy when things go south, has a lot of redneck celebrity friends (Foxworthy, Larry The Cable Guy, etc), and that he is pretty much universally loathed in Milwaukee. I've had NL friends from Chicago and St. Louis chime in that this guy is a boob, no way do you want him for anything more than a babysitter.

He's just like a Wal-Mart manager being transferred from one store to another. New Day, same old crap. Bank on it.

I just hope he doesn't call Soria "Jack." That bugs me.

Hillman had to go. When you lose 2 out of 3, you must go. End of story. Next is Moore. Then it'll be "time to rebuild" again.

Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it
Ever
Was....

BTW: I'd rather have seen Trey Hillman Caned than Canned. More appropriate punishment for the last three years.

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 07:44 PM
He is the interm manager, so i hope they start looking now

petegz28
05-13-2010, 07:45 PM
I think the clock is ticking on Moore as well. He has done little if anything to make this team competitive.

petegz28
05-13-2010, 07:46 PM
Someone called into Nick Wright and said they should give it to Frank White. Wright says he thinks Frank doesn't want the Manager spot anymore since they passed him over for Hillman.

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 07:47 PM
I think the clock is ticking on Moore as well. He has done little if anything to make this team competitive.

He said it was his fault trey got fired...he knows it and he doesn't have much time.

gblowfish
05-13-2010, 07:48 PM
Nobody is going to succeed for awhile. I'd hate to see Frank White come in and flame out. I'd like to see Hal McRae get another shot. At least he has entertaining tirades....

eazyb81
05-13-2010, 07:49 PM
Mike Moustakas has a 1.200 OPS......so that's something.

teedubya
05-13-2010, 07:52 PM
Don't worry guys.




I got this.







http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2010/05/07/22/841-947Royals_Rangers_Baseball.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.81.jpg

DeezNutz
05-13-2010, 07:52 PM
Someone called into Nick Wright and said they should give it to Frank White. Wright says he thinks Frank doesn't want the Manager spot anymore since they passed him over for Hillman.

610 is on the pulse. They broke the story about Hillman's firing at, what, 6:30?

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 07:54 PM
Frank will want the job after this next manager gets canned and we have talent brought up and a competent gm

tk13
05-13-2010, 07:57 PM
I have never understood why Frank would want the job to begin with. I know he probably doesn't care but if he fails fans will turn on him. He'd be better off trying it somewhere else.

keg in kc
05-13-2010, 08:01 PM
610 is on the pulse. They broke the story about Hillman's firing at, what, 6:30?I particularly enjoyed the live press conference on 810 but not on 610, royals flagship. ROFL

ChiefsCountry
05-13-2010, 08:06 PM
I have never understood why Frank would want the job to begin with. I know he probably doesn't care but if he fails fans will turn on him. He'd be better off trying it somewhere else.

Exactly. Look Hal McRae, granted he wasn't Frank White type player but he was darn good. Don't tarnish your image by managing, stick to tv.

gblowfish
05-13-2010, 08:09 PM
I particularly enjoyed the live press conference on 810 but not on 610, royals flagship. ROFL

Hey, the Royals Network had Fords, Tompkins hoses and gaskets and Time Warner Road Runner to sell. First things first!

gblowfish
05-13-2010, 08:37 PM
Maybe Hillman can hitch a ride back to Japan...

Crush
05-13-2010, 08:48 PM
Process II: Electric Boogaloo has officially started.

CaliforniaChief
05-13-2010, 09:02 PM
I don't think there's any question it was time to go in a different direction. That said, I'm bummed it didn't work out. Trey Hillman is a great person who represented the Royals with class and dignity. I wish him the best in whatever he does, and think ultimately it will be best for the team and for him.

Mr. Laz
05-13-2010, 09:08 PM
he wasn't very good but until we learn to acquire and develop talent it doesn't matter too much.

Dayton Moore hasn't acquire a stud player yet and as far as i can tell our minor league coaches suck more dick than crack whore on a weekend bender.

Mr. Laz
05-13-2010, 09:10 PM
I particularly enjoyed the live press conference on 810 but not on 610, royals flagship. ROFL
810 and 610 are now both the Royals radio carrier

610 carries the games
810 carries all the non-game stuff

Pioli Zombie
05-13-2010, 09:15 PM
Wow. This will make all the difference. Pennent fever.

LetsSignRussell
05-13-2010, 09:27 PM
I think Trey Hillman was a top 10 manger. It's just to bad he wasn't appreciated. He had shit to work with

petegz28
05-13-2010, 09:31 PM
610 is on the pulse. They broke the story about Hillman's firing at, what, 6:30?

They wanted to break it sooner but they are under contract to carry the post game show. This was also explained.

LetsSignRussell
05-13-2010, 09:36 PM
I predict the royals will finish last in the al central after this move

Deberg_1990
05-13-2010, 09:50 PM
JoPo's take:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_posnanski/05/13/hillman.fired/index.html?eref=sihp



In October of 2007, when the Kansas City Royals hired Trey Hillman to be their manager, I traveled to Japan to watch the man in action. Hillman was a bold hire by what then looked like a young and bold organization. The Royals had just hired Dayton Moore from Atlanta as their general manager -- Moore was more or less the hottest young GM prospect on the board. The Royals brought in respected people from all around baseball. They tried to reconnect within the community. They spent a lot of money on the draft, they bulked up their international scouting, they added a minor league team and they talked the good talk about building from within.

And they hired Hillman, championship manager in Japan. The line of thinking was that if a Texan like Hillman could win in Japan -- when he did not even speak the language -- he certainly could win back in the ol' U.S. of A. The line of thinking was that he could bring home some of the discipline and emphasis on fundamentals that defines Japanese baseball. The line of thinking was that the Yankees really liked him -- he had been a successful minor league manager in New York's system -- and there was actually a rumor that the Yankees wanted to hire Hillman instead of Joe Girardi to replace Joe Torre. The line of thinking was that Hillman was a teacher and a winner and the sort of guy who would outwork his counterparts and make the Royals a cutting-edge baseball team.

I watched Hillman manage in the Japan Series -- Japan's World Series -- and I was impressed. His Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters were a decidedly mediocre team (they finished last in runs scored that year) but they were so disciplined and together and had such good fielding and such good pitching (featuring worldwide sensation Yu Darvish) that they went to the Series anyway. They lost decisively -- the final game was a perfect game -- but I saw what the Royals saw. And I will never forget coming back to the States and talking to one of my best friends in the game, telling him that Hillman was smart, impressive, engaging and all those good things.

He listened. Then he said this: "Yeah. He's never been in the big leagues."

If there's a tombstone for Hillman's career as Royals manager, those are the words that should be carved on it.

* * *

The Royals fired Hillman on Thursday, just moments after his team snapped a seven-game losing streak and Zack Greinke won his first game of the season. This was also just two days after Moore offered such powerful support of Hillman that it seemed to transcend "dreaded vote of confidence" status. Moore didn't just say that the organization believed in Hillman, he said that "Trey's done a terrific job." He didn't just say that he planned to stick with Hillman, he said that "he is exactly what this organization needs at this point in time."

Two days later, he found himself firing Hillman ... which strongly suggests that it wasn't his decision. He probably should be in better concert with the rhythms of Royals owner David Glass, who, like just about everyone else, had lost patience. Late last week the entire Royals team failed to notice when the Rangers' Josh Hamilton simply forgot to tag up on a fly ball. The missed out cost the Royals two runs and the ball game. It wasn't the worst blunder Hillman had made, but it was obvious. There was no recovering. The experiment had failed. The Hillman Era was doomed. Moore should have had a better feel for the reality surrounding him.

But why did it fail? Why didn't Hillman have more success as manager? There are numerous reasons, none more significant than the lack of major league talent that the Royals have put on the field day after day. As the old line goes, Casey Stengel, Earl Weaver and Joe McCarthy combined weren't winning with this team.

But that's obvious. Beyond that, none of the reasons why the Royals hired Hillman in the first place quite worked out. He was known for his sense of the game, but his Royals consistently played clueless baseball. He was known for his deep belief in the fundamentals -- "there are no little things," was one of his mottos -- but the Royals were a terrible defensive team and a terrible baserunning team on his watch. He was known as a man who related well with players and the community, but his players often didn't seem to get him, and his appearances in public were often just bizarre. I will never forget his inscrutable answer during an Internet chat when a fan asked him what he expected for the upcoming season:

Hillman: "Same as every year. As a manager, we want to show marked improvement on what we showed in 2008. If we do that, we should improve our overall standings and increase our fan base."

What the heck is that? This was a FAN asking a question, not 60 Minutes. Improve our overall standings? Increase our fan base? But that was Trey Hillman ... his public statements always seemed out-of-touch, his attempt to connect with players off-key. I often wondered: Why? Where was the confident guy I remembered from Japan? Where was the baseball man with the great story: The undrafted player who managed and coached and scouting and went halfway across the world, all chasing this game he loves so much?

And, in the end, it occurs to me that the answer was there in what my friend said before Hillman had managed even one major league game: He had never been in the big leagues. That's all. He had never played in the big leagues, never managed in the big leagues, never coached in the big leagues. The only time he had been around a big league clubhouse was as a clubbie for the Texas Rangers when he was a kid. He simply did not know about life in a big league clubhouse. He thought he knew. But he did not.

Bill James wrote a great piece a few years ago about the failure of Vern Rapp as a manager. Few managers have ever had the pedigree of Rapp. He had been around the game for decades. Numerous players who became stars in the big leagues swore by him. He was smart and intense and a teacher and all those other good things. And when he was 49 years old in 1977 he was finally hired to manage -- by his hometown St. Louis Cardinals, no less -- and he led the Cardinals to a dramatic 11-game improvement from the year before.

But, even so, the season was a disaster. He feuded with players constantly. He tried to enforce rules about facial hair and clothes and weight -- these were rules that Sparky Anderson managed to enforce with the Big Red Machine because he got the players to buy in. Rapp could not. He proudly announced that he wasn't there to be liked, and nobody liked him, and 17 games into the next year he called Cardinals star Ted Simmons a loser after a game (Simmons, apparently, had turned up the stereo after a loss) and got himself canned.

Bill's point was simply that Rapp had never played, managed or coached in the big leagues and, as such, did not know what he could do and what he could not. He did not have the fine understanding of what makes a clubhouse go, what buttons to push, what battles to fight, what wars can be won. "If he had just one year to sit on a major league bench," Bill wrote, "to bend his ideas to what he saw around him before anybody took a position on them, he might have been great."

One of the first things Hillman did as new manager of the Royals was call a team meeting at home plate after a spring training game. He then yelled at his players in full view of the public -- while people were filing out of the stadium -- for some base running blunders they had made. Now, some people LOVED that. It showed guts. It showed that he was serious about discipline. Moore would say that he watched Hillman pull that Herb Brooks stunt and thought, "He's going to be one of the great ones."

And that's fine but ... many of the players lost respect for him. They thought he was showboating -- he certainly could have yelled at them behind closed doors. They thought he was compensating -- he was ACTING the way he imagined a big league manager acts rather than BEING a big league manager. Mostly, they thought he was small-time. A Little League coach. And whatever point he was trying to get across, well, it didn't take. The Royals were a dreadful baserunning team all year.

This is the issue -- things that seem like good ideas from the outside often are terrible ideas on the inside. Hillman did not understand the politics of a big league clubhouse. He did not understand that his success in Japan did not impress major league baseball players. He did not understand that nobody was going to just give him respect. Sparky Anderson was known by his players as a "Minor League M-------," and he came to earn respect with his intensity and his loyalty and by being right an awful lot. By the end of that first year, the players were rather openly comparing Hillman to Michael from The Office.

And, in my mind, Hillman never recovered. Later, he tried to loosen up. He tried to regain some of the confidence and likability that he had going for him in Japan. But, once things started to go bad, he did now know how to get things going right again. The finish was already written. He kept changing his mind about things. He infuriated players with silly little things like having pitchers warm up for no reason. He was sensitive to slights. He was constantly searching for whatever sounded best rather than, you know, the truth.

I will never forget the day that Jon Lester threw his no-hitter against the Royals in Fenway Park. Hillman had this thing about keeping reporters out of his office ... while pretty much every big league manager does press conferences in their offices, especially on the road, Hillman thought his office was his private sanctuary. Fine. So he did the postgame press conference against a brick wall while people walked by and pointed and shouted. Even that's fine. But what I remember is that he told us that he had not talked to his players after the game -- after all, he explained, there was nothing to say. They were big league players. They understood what had happened. He reiterated the point again: He didn't even talk to them. No, he most definitely did not talk to them.

We then went inside the clubhouse, where player after player told us how Hillman had come in after the game to talk to them. Well, of course he did. I never even understood WHY Hillman would tell us that he had not. How was that supposed to make him look better? I mean, shouldn't a manager talk to his players after they get no-hit? But Hillman never found his voice or his confidence. He had the best of intentions and a tremendous work ethic. But, in the end, he just didn't know.

* * *

When a manager gets fired, a team almost always hires the exact opposite ... and so the Royals hired Ned Yost to fill in. Yost has plenty of experience -- he played parts of six seasons, was bullpen coach for some great Atlanta teams in the 1990s and was manager of the Brewers for six seasons. His managerial experience was mixed -- he seemed to lose it as the Brewers vainly tried to hold off the Cubs, and he was fired the next year in the middle of a pennant race. There seems to be a long line of players who did not like Yost, and some who got better on his watch, but the point seems to be that, unlike Hillman, he certainly understands the inner workings of a big league baseball team. And for now, that's what matters in Kansas City.

Hillman went out gracefully, as you might expect from a class person. He was fired before Thursday's game, but he managed anyway. The firing was not announced until after the game but, looking back at snippets they showed on TV of the pregame press conference, he seemed more relaxed than I have seen in a long time. It's funny, I think he would probably make for a pretty good managerial candidate NOW that he has been through all this. He still has all of the positives that he always had as a baseball man -- smart, loyal, committed and so on -- and now he has a much better understanding of what the job is all about. He probably will get coaching offers. And he probably will think an awful lot about what he has learned.

And the Royals? Well, make no mistake, the big reason they have lost the last three years is not because of Hillman, it is because they are a bad baseball team. They are a team with a dull lineup filled with old guys, a last-in-ERA pitching staff overflowing with underachieving young starters, and a mess of a bullpen. There's no magical solution here. Yost may give the team a boost, he may not, but when it wears off, this is a 90-loss team waiting to lose 90 games. Their future is in the future, built around a handful of young players in the big leagues and minor league prospects who, at least for the time being, look promising. In the meantime, this is a Royals team that no longer looks young or bold like it did when it hired Hillman not so long ago.

LetsSignRussell
05-13-2010, 10:00 PM
I trust whitlocks word over jopos

alnorth
05-13-2010, 10:03 PM
Great article. Fundamentally though, I think he failed because he overworked his starting pitchers a few too many times, and he tried to play Japanese baseball in the American League. The "little things" sorta work in the NL, but not here. You play for the big inning, every game, every inning, no matter what. Settling for 1 run is never enough unless its a tie game in the 9th.

LetsSignRussell
05-13-2010, 10:05 PM
I think trey was just begginning to build a good bullpen.

warpaint*
05-13-2010, 10:38 PM
On some of the afternoon sports yapping, they talked to some seasoned sports writers in Milwaukee about Yost. All of them said the guy is old school, crusty, plays favorites with players, is hard headed, mis-handles pitching staffs, gets snippy when things go south, has a lot of redneck celebrity friends (Foxworthy, Larry The Cable Guy, etc), and that he is pretty much universally loathed in Milwaukee. I've had NL friends from Chicago and St. Louis chime in that this guy is a boob, no way do you want him for anything more than a babysitter.

He's just like a Wal-Mart manager being transferred from one store to another. New Day, same old crap. Bank on it.

I just hope he doesn't call Soria "Jack." That bugs me.

Hillman had to go. When you lose 2 out of 3, you must go. End of story. Next is Moore. Then it'll be "time to rebuild" again.

Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it
Ever
Was....

BTW: I'd rather have seen Trey Hillman Caned than Canned. More appropriate punishment for the last three years.

Good night. He sounds like a turbo-douche.

KcMizzou
05-13-2010, 10:43 PM
LetsSignRusell has to be the worst troll I've ever seen.

Keep tryin' though!

Demonpenz
05-13-2010, 11:01 PM
is he the worst? Or the best? Reframe

thurman merman
05-13-2010, 11:03 PM
Does Trey get to take Gil Meche's right arm with him as a keepsake?

ROFL

thurman merman
05-13-2010, 11:03 PM
Police are escorting Hillman out of the basement as you can see. there on the left the man in the hat is the sherriff of the place *bang* OH MY GOD HILLMAN HAS BEEN SHOT HILLMAN HAS BEEN SHOT BY A PERSON IN A Kansas City Royals hat. OH MY GOD It's Bip Roberts!

ROFL WTF

KcMizzou
05-13-2010, 11:15 PM
is he the worst? Or the best? ReframeDamnit, 'Penz.

TIED5573
05-13-2010, 11:51 PM
he wasn't very good but until we learn to acquire and develop talent it doesn't matter too much.

Dayton Moore hasn't acquire a stud player yet and as far as i can tell our minor league coaches suck more dick than crack whore on a weekend bender.

REP

Sure-Oz
05-13-2010, 11:55 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=13&articleid=35334

Hillman Fired After Zack Wins

It looked like Zack Greinke was headed for an 0-5 record when the Royals fell behind 3-0 early Thursday afternoon, but they stormed back to take a 6-3 lead and for once the bullpen avoided imploding (although they gave it their best shot). Greinke won his first game, improving to 1-4 with a 2.73 ERA, but literally minutes after Joakim Soria recorded the final out the Royals fired manager Trey Hillman.

Hillman showed an amazing level of poise and class in the press conference afterward, revealing that general manager Dayton Moore actually fired him Thursday morning while giving him the option to remain on the job for one final game. He left on a high note, but with a 152-207 overall record and 59-109 mark since last year's surprising start Hillman deserved to be let go even if Moore should shoulder far more of the blame in general.

Interim manager Ned Yost's six-season track record with the Brewers suggests he'll be more willing to turn the team over to young guys, although how much of the misguided reliance on veteran mediocrity is traced to Hillman rather than Moore is up for debate. Either way it'll be hard for the Royals to be any worse and if Yost finds a way to support Greinke, better utilize Soria, and reassimilate Alex Gordon the switch will be a success.

While the Royals' hugely disappointing GM fires the one guy keeping all the pressure off his shoulders, here are some other notes from around baseball ...

The Rick
05-14-2010, 12:27 AM
On some of the afternoon sports yapping, they talked to some seasoned sports writers in Milwaukee about Yost. All of them said the guy is old school, crusty, plays favorites with players, is hard headed, mis-handles pitching staffs, gets snippy when things go south, has a lot of redneck celebrity friends (Foxworthy, Larry The Cable Guy, etc), and that he is pretty much universally loathed in Milwaukee. I've had NL friends from Chicago and St. Louis chime in that this guy is a boob, no way do you want him for anything more than a babysitter.
This is exactly the kind of stuff I was getting at.

You guys may enjoy the change for a while, and the shakeup may improve the play of the team, but mark my words...eventually you guys are going to loathe Ned Yost.

vinnie chase
05-14-2010, 12:53 AM
You knew the Royals would can Hillman after the yearly sinking into oblivion. But they will never be successful as long as David Glass is the owner. Its proven every year. How do you order a payroll cut for one of the lowest payrolls in baseball and a team that loses close to 100 games a year? Do you even care? Hillman the fall guy, Moore catches heat, but everyone needs to start calling out the owner on his decisions. Time to start asking the tough questions and revolt KC because your organization is a laughing stock.

Coach
05-14-2010, 12:59 AM
Ned Yost? Ouch.
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MoreLemonPledge
05-14-2010, 01:02 AM
You knew the Royals would can Hillman after the yearly sinking into oblivion. But they will never be successful as long as David Glass is the owner. Its proven every year. How do you order a payroll cut for one of the lowest payrolls in baseball and a team that loses close to 100 games a year? Do you even care? Hillman the fall guy, Moore catches heat, but everyone needs to start calling out the owner on his decisions. Time to start asking the tough questions and revolt KC because your organization is a laughing stock.

The payroll thing isn't as big of an issue anymore. If I'm not mistaken, we're 22nd in payroll, not even in the bottom 5. We have a payroll of over $70 million. Sure, it's not the Yankees or Red Sox, but it's somewhat respectable for this market.

Buck's Dad
05-14-2010, 04:17 AM
Hillman sucked nuts. Thank Tebow it's over.

BryanBusby
05-14-2010, 05:30 AM
Royalllssss Baseballlll Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhh FML

oRYMANo
05-14-2010, 06:57 AM
Poor Trey, He seems like an honest good guy. I wish he could have gotten it together. Suppose he is just to passive. Sorta Dick Vermeilish in that his players continue to suck. He just says "get'em next time bud"

gblowfish
05-14-2010, 09:41 AM
All the local radio wanks were doing "exit interviews" with Hillman on morning drive. One of the guys basically asked him if he'd take the job all over again knowing what he knows now.

Hillman said something to the effect of: "When I was a kid, I grew up near the ballpark at Arlington watching the Rangers. I love the atmosphere of a major league park. I'd go all the time, and I didn't really care if we won or lost, I just loved being at the ballpark."


THAT IS WHY THIS GUY HAS GOT TO GO.

If you're just happy to be in uniform, and it doesn't KILL YOU to lose, then you have no business being in charge. This whole organization is infected with "I'm just happy to be here." It's not good enough to just be in the major leagues. It's about winning games, stupid.

Nobody in this organization seems to get that.

It's a money go round. We lose, we don't care. As long as we make a profit each year -which has happened even when losing over 100 games- this organization is OK with it. Of course, publicly they'll say all the politically correct BS about "the process." But in reality, as long as they don't lose money, the Glass Family runs this like a Wal-Mart. Cheap, shoddy product, make money, burn through people at minimum wages.

I'm sick of it. I really am.

Trey Hillman is a good guy, everybody agrees to that. But he doesn't have a fire burning inside to win. Nobody in this organization does. They don't know how to win, simple as that.

One last thing:
If you don't think Hillman sucked, look at it this way. Tony Muser had a better winning percentage. That hurts, man.

Name Years Record Pct.
Whitey Herzog 1975-79 410-304 .574
Jim Frey 1980-81 127-105 .547
Dick Howser 1981-86 404-365 .525
John Wathan 1987-91 287-270 .515
Jack McKeon 1973-75 215-205 .512
Hal McRae 1991-94 286-277 .508
Billy Gardner 1987 62-64 .492
Bob Lemon 1970-72 207-218 .487
Bob Boone 1995-97 181-206 .468
Joe Gordon 1969 69-93 .426
Tony Muser 1997-02 317-431 .424
Trey Hillman 2008-10 152-207 .423
Tony Peña 2002-05 198-285 .410
Buddy Bell 2005-07 174-262 .399
Charlie Metro 1970 19-33 .365
NOTE: Mike Ferraro served as interim manager in 1986, Bob Schaefer in 1991 and 2005 and John Mizerock in 2002.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/05/13/1944824/royals-managers-through-the-years.html#ixzz0nuofsph9

Sure-Oz
05-14-2010, 10:21 AM
I am sure Trey had fire when he was brought on but the way this organization has been handled and constant constant losing it will bring a man down.

Deberg_1990
05-14-2010, 10:25 AM
If you don't think Hillman sucked, look at it this way. Tony Muser had a better winning percentage. That hurts, man.




heh, well in fairness, Muser had a better hitting lineup (more talent)

But his pitching sucked

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-14-2010, 11:50 AM
Process II: Electric Boogaloo has officially started.

LMAO

http://thestockmasters.com/files/u1/turbo-ozone-breakin.png

"Scott Pioli can kiss my ass".
"Yeah, fuck that motherfucker".

thurman merman
05-14-2010, 12:39 PM
Poor Trey, He seems like an honest good guy. I wish he could have gotten it together. Suppose he is just to passive. Sorta Dick Vermeilish in that his players continue to suck. He just says "get'em next time bud"

And he fines them when they drop routine popups with runners on base and two outs, but continues to put them in the starting lineup.

thurman merman
05-29-2010, 10:30 AM
Trey Hillman sucks.