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banyon
05-30-2010, 02:25 PM
. Particularly at 2:00 in the first video and at the end.

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T-post Tom
05-30-2010, 02:27 PM
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Carville is spot on regarding this issue.

banyon
05-30-2010, 02:35 PM
Carville is spot on regarding this issue.

I think so too. Obama really blundered handling the public perception on this issue. They were caught asleep at the wheel just like Bush was with Katrina.

What's he doing making speeches and doing jokes with Sandy Koufax? Like Carville said, this is a serious crisis, he needs to be on it.

vailpass
05-30-2010, 02:47 PM
Orange will be along to disabuse all of you of any notion that obama is operating at less than 125% of excellent.

go bowe
05-30-2010, 05:27 PM
Orange will be along to disabuse all of you of any notion that obama is operating at less than 125% of excellent.well, that's because the president is operating at more than 150% of excellent...

well, except for katrina, er... the bp leak in the gulf...

RedNeckRaider
05-30-2010, 06:15 PM
I think so too. Obama really blundered handling the public perception on this issue. They were caught asleep at the wheel just like Bush was with Katrina.

What's he doing making speeches and doing jokes with Sandy Koufax? Like Carville said, this is a serious crisis, he needs to be on it.

Really? by comparison Bush was all over and on top of Katrina :rolleyes: come on banyon Barry has totaly shit the bed on this~

banyon
05-30-2010, 06:17 PM
Really? by comparison Bush was all over and on top of Katrina :rolleyes: come on banyon Barry has totaly shit the bed on this~

? I think you misread my post. I think he is deserving of severe criticism on this just like Bush was.

Dylan
05-31-2010, 12:26 AM
I agree. Carville is spot on -- In addition, Carville moves in powerful Democratic circles. ...


Media Claim Access to Spill Site Has Been Limited

By MATTHEW BROWN Associated Press Writer
NEW ORLEANS May 30, 2010 (AP)

Media organizations say they are being allowed only limited access to areas impacted by the Gulf oil spill through restrictions on plane and boat traffic that are making it difficult to document the worst spill in U.S. history.

In at least two cases, a media organization and a seaplane pilot say BP PLC — the company responsible for cleaning up the spill — appeared to have a role in deciding on access.

Other media, including The Associated Press, have reported coverage problems because their access has been restricted, though not all have linked the decision to BP. Government officials say restrictions are needed to protect wildlife and ensure safe air traffic.

Ted Jackson, a photographer for The Times-Picayune newspaper in New Orleans, said Saturday that access to the spill "is slowly being strangled off."

A CBS news story said one of its reporting teams was threatened with arrest by the Coast Guard and turned back from an oiled beach at the mouth of the Mississippi River. The story said the reporters were told the denial was under "BP's rules."

U.S. Coast Guard and Federal Aviation Administration officials said BP PLC was not controlling access.

Coast Guard officials also said there was no intent to conceal the scope of the disaster. Rather, they said, the spill's complexity had made it difficult to allow the open access sought by the media.

Associated Press Senior Managing Editor Mike Oreskes said the news organization was concerned about the restrictions.

"The Coast Guard obviously has a responsibility to protect natural habitats from both the seeping oil and from excessive traffic," Oreskes said in a statement. "But we have a shared responsibility to keep the public informed about this extraordinary event. It is not the job of either the government or BP to keep journalists from seeing what has happened."

Coast Guard Lt. Commander Rob Wyman said personnel involved in the CBS dispute said no one was threatened with arrest.

Vessels responding to the spill are surrounded by a 500 yard "standoff area" with restricted access, he said.

"If we see anybody impeding operations, we're going to ask you to move. We're going to ask you to back up and move away," he said.

BP contractors are operating alongside the FAA and Coast Guard at a command center that approves or denies flight requests. Charter pilots say they have been denied permission to fly below 3,000 feet when they have reporters or photographers aboard.

Those special flight restrictions, imposed on May 12, cover thousands of square miles of the Gulf and a broad swath of Louisiana's coast. Normally there are no restrictions on flying.

Charter seaplane pilot Lyle Panepinto of Belle Chasse, La., said his request to enter restricted airspace was denied after he told a BP contractor that his passenger was Jackson, the Times-Picayune photographer

The contractor, Dennis Dorsey, worked in a command center staffed by the company, the Coast Guard and the FAA. Reached by telephone Dorsey, who works for O'Brien's Response Management, said Panepinto's flight was rejected because it was not part of the response to the spill. He said that was based on rules set by the FAA.

Government officials and BP contractors take turns answering calls from pilots with requests for exemptions from the flight restrictions, Dorsey said.

The chief of the Coast Guard's public affairs programs branch said access had been hampered by a cumbersome approval process that stretched all the way to the White House.

Chief Warrant Officer Adam Wine said White House officials had to sign off on requests for tours of the spill zone before they could proceed. The Coast Guard is attempting to increase access through guided boat and aircraft tours, he said. Still, there is no plan to lift restrictions on flights or boat traffic into offshore areas — including some barrier islands.

White House officials referred questions about their involvement to Wyman. He said Wine's description of the chain of command was incorrect and that all requests from media were decided on by the command center in Robert, La. The Department of Homeland Security is notified, he said.

Two weeks ago, oceanographer Jean-Michel Cousteau was turned away from waters near a wildlife sanctuary after the Coast Guard discovered a reporter and a photographer from The Associated Press were on board.

Jackson, The Times-Picayune photographer, said he had been kept back from oil-covered beaches and denied a request to fly below 3,000 feet.

Referring to the elevations pilot are mandated to maintain, Jackson added: "The oil spill from there is just a rumor."

FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said hundreds of flights related to the recovery effort go each day into the restricted airspace, including aircraft from the oil industry and law enforcement that are exempt from the flight restrictions.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


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mlyonsd
05-31-2010, 06:00 AM
Careful Dylan. Obama might be "outraged" if he sees you post like that.

HonestChieffan
05-31-2010, 06:22 AM
Katrina times 100. And Obama eats BBQ and yucks it up in Chicago. Maybe they are lining up more prop/extras to stand on the oil covered shore line for the next visit/photoop

RedNeckRaider
05-31-2010, 06:32 AM
? I think you misread my post. I think he is deserving of severe criticism on this just like Bush was.

No what I was saying is Barry has screwed this up way worse Than W did Katrina~

notorious
05-31-2010, 08:02 AM
Katrina times 100.



Let's not get too carried away with this.


I think Katrina is a tad worse then this oil leak.


If you are talking about the presidential blunder is worse times 100, my apologies. I wound agree that Obama is definately screwing up big-time.

banyon
05-31-2010, 08:08 AM
Katrina times 100. And Obama eats BBQ and yucks it up in Chicago. Maybe they are lining up more prop/extras to stand on the oil covered shore line for the next visit/photoop

There were a lot of people that died in Katrina (way more than 11), don't get carried away.

petegz28
05-31-2010, 08:17 AM
There were a lot of people that died in Katrina (way more than 11), don't get carried away.

But lets face the reality. Most of those people died because they were too lazy to do anything to help themselves. They sat around waiting for someone else to come help them. Eldery and handicapped aside, there was nothing preventing people from hitting the shoe leather express to get out of harm's way,

banyon
05-31-2010, 08:57 AM
But lets face the reality. Most of those people died because they were too lazy to do anything to help themselves. They sat around waiting for someone else to come help them. Eldery and handicapped aside, there was nothing preventing people from hitting the shoe leather express to get out of harm's way,

Yeah, they wanted to die Pete. That's gotta be it. :shake:

Baby Lee
05-31-2010, 09:08 AM
Yeah, they wanted to die Pete. That's gotta be it. :shake:

How the fuck does, not taking sufficient precautions ahead of time unaware that the flooding would be as bad as it was equate to 'they must have wanted to die?'

banyon
05-31-2010, 09:20 AM
How the **** does, not taking sufficient precautions ahead of time unaware that the flooding would be as bad as it was equate to 'they must have wanted to die?'

Is being lazy a choice or a predestination?

You know I don't know what we're arguing about. Do Pete and you really think that those people deserved to die, so Katrina wasn't that bad?

It's hard for me to imagine people thinking that way.

Baby Lee
05-31-2010, 09:42 AM
Is being lazy a choice or a predestination?

You know I don't know what we're arguing about. Do Pete and you really think that those people deserved to die, so Katrina wasn't that bad?

It's hard for me to imagine people thinking that way.

You're the one who's proposing that Katrina is self-evidently worse because 11 people died, which ignores two important factors;

1) the people who died, by and large, chose to stay when they could have left and lived, which would be akin to us arguing that the oil spill was worse if a group of people had swam up to the oil spill and gulped up stomach-fulls and died.

2) Katrina was a sudden impact disaster while the oil spill looks to be more of a long term impact disaster, one that's still in it's infancy.

And the snark about 'deserved' is bullshit, there is a distinction between people having a measure of accountability in their fates when their choices are direct factors in said fates, and people deserving the fates their choices bring their way. Do you think that people who smoke deserve cancer, or people who ride motorcycles deserve to die in a collision?

The Mad Crapper
05-31-2010, 09:49 AM
We are the ones we've been waiting for!

banyon
05-31-2010, 10:31 AM
You're the one who's proposing that Katrina is self-evidently worse because 11 people died, which ignores two important factors;

Actually, my position was the converse, that the BP wasn't "Katrina times 100" which HCF made up in his serial exaggeration, so no, you don't quite have it.


1) the people who died, by and large, chose to stay when they could have left and lived, which would be akin to us arguing that the oil spill was worse if a group of people had swam up to the oil spill and gulped up stomach-fulls and died.

2) Katrina was a sudden impact disaster while the oil spill looks to be more of a long term impact disaster, one that's still in it's infancy.

And the snark about 'deserved' is bullshit, there is a distinction between people having a measure of accountability in their fates when their choices are direct factors in said fates, and people deserving the fates their choices bring their way. Do you think that people who smoke deserve cancer, or people who ride motorcycles deserve to die in a collision?

I thought they made a miscalculation. That was what you said in your prior post. Did they deserve to die because of a miscalculation or a conscious informed choice? It isn't snark, that was Pete's claim that Katrina wasn't so bad because people were asking for it. If he wasn't claiming that, then wth was he arguing?

RedNeckRaider
05-31-2010, 10:35 AM
Karina was not a shinning moment for W and certainly reflected a poor light on New Orleans. People were warned and simply ignored the warnings and then screamed in outrage that the government could not just magically rescue them. The looting, fraud and conduct of those put in shelters was shameful.

In this case the damage of this tragedy can not be calculated as it is unprecedented. The response from the White House has shown arrogance and incompetence. Many feel history will be critical of Bush, that said he has to be a huge Obama fan. This guy is a total embarrassment. I don't care how bad someone may think W stinks Obama's performance is a damn good deodorant~

HonestChieffan
05-31-2010, 10:36 AM
I suppose the potential loss of millions of acres of habitat, the loss in jobs and business failures in the gulf, the next wave of tourism losses to the state and to NO is all minor in comparison to a flood.

Obama can wear this around his neck forever. Its his EPA, his response or lack of, his lack of decisions to protect the coast.

Katrina was a natural disaster this is man made on his watch with his EPA's approval.

100x may be low.

banyon
05-31-2010, 10:37 AM
I suppose the potential loss of millions of acres of habitat, the loss in jobs and business failures in the gulf, the next wave of tourism losses to the state and to NO is all minor in comparison to a flood.

Obama can wear this around his neck forever. Its his EPA, his response or lack of, his lack of decisions to protect the coast.

Katrina was a natural disaster this is man made on his watch with his EPA's approval.

100x may be low.

No one said it was minor, you liar.

The Mad Crapper
05-31-2010, 10:37 AM
It's common knowledge that George Bush blew up the levees because he hates chocolate people.

Saul Good
05-31-2010, 10:42 AM
No one said it was minor, you liar.

He didn't say "minor". He said "minor in comparison". You insinuated that it was minor in comparison to Katrina by using the number of deaths as the measuring stick.

Saul Good
05-31-2010, 10:43 AM
It's common knowledge that George Bush blew up the levees because he hates chocolate people.

I think that this oil spill was actually a controlled demolition. Salt water doesn't get hot enough to melt steel.

banyon
05-31-2010, 10:45 AM
He didn't say "minor". He said "minor in comparison". You insinuated that it was minor in comparison to Katrina by using the number of deaths as the measuring stick.

No, I didn't.

I argued that it wasn't "Katrina x 100". That's a different claim in kind.

And I didn't claim it was "minor in comparison" either.

In fact, I'm the one who posted the freaking thread topic and claimed it was a big deal, that Carville is right, and that Obama should be severely criticized for this.

Is everyone drinking mercury thermometers for breakfast in this thread, or what?

Baby Lee
05-31-2010, 10:46 AM
I thought they made a miscalculation. That was what you said in your prior post. Did they deserve to die because of a miscalculation or a conscious informed choice? It isn't snark, that was Pete's claim that Katrina wasn't so bad because people were asking for it. If he wasn't claiming that, then wth was he arguing?
Where does Pete say they deserved it or were 'asking for' it? Seems like his point was that they had it within their agency to extricate themselves from the situation, whereas you can't extricate yourself from an entire gulf being contaminated. Again, there is a clear distinction between saying people were occasioned by disaster they had the power to avoid, and saying they deserved or asked for it.

Saul Good
05-31-2010, 10:48 AM
No, I didn't.

I argued that it wasn't "Katrina x 100". That's a different claim in kind.

And I didn't claim it was "minor in comparison" either.

In fact, I'm the one who posted the freaking thread topic and claimed it was a big deal, that Carville is right, and that Obama should be severely criticized for this.

Is everyone drinking mercury thermometers for breakfast in this thread, or what?

"There were a lot of people that died in Katrina (way more than 11)"

Saying that way more people died in one event versus another is implying that one event was minor in comparison. Even if you disagree on the semantics, that doesn't make his statement a lie.

banyon
05-31-2010, 10:48 AM
Where does Pete say they deserved it or were 'asking for' it? Seems like his point was that they had it within their agency to extricate themselves from the situation, whereas you can't extricate yourself from an entire gulf being contaminated. Again, there is a clear distinction between saying people were occasioned by disaster they had the power to avoid, and saying they deserved or asked for it.

Yes, that was his statement, but you removed it from its context.

What is the point of him claiming that in this thread?

banyon
05-31-2010, 10:49 AM
"There were a lot of people that died in Katrina (way more than 11)"

Saying that way more people died in one event versus another is implying that one event was minor in comparison. Even if you disagree on the semantics, that doesn't make his statement a lie.

I suppose, if you take it out of the context that I was replying to HCF's post.

HonestChieffan
05-31-2010, 10:57 AM
No, I didn't.

I argued that it wasn't "Katrina x 100". That's a different claim in kind.

And I didn't claim it was "minor in comparison" either.

In fact, I'm the one who posted the freaking thread topic and claimed it was a big deal, that Carville is right, and that Obama should be severely criticized for this.

Is everyone drinking mercury thermometers for breakfast in this thread, or what?


Your judgement is severely clouded by your inability to unemotionally deal with things you have a predetermined position on.

banyon
05-31-2010, 11:00 AM
Your judgement is severely clouded by your inability to unemotionally deal with things you have a predetermined position on.

Your posts are clouded with your perpetual need to spin your perceived political enemies in the worst possible light.

HonestChieffan
05-31-2010, 11:07 AM
Actually the environmental and social issues v=far outweigh the political ramifications. You are seemingly compelled to draw these inferences that avoid dealing with real impact and real damage. The costs and damage of this failure and disaster is far and away more long term and impossible to clean up as compared to a flood that receded.

But you go ahead and downplay it and measure against your political foe. Its not unexpected from you.

The Mad Crapper
05-31-2010, 11:13 AM
I think that this oil spill was actually a controlled demolition. Salt water doesn't get hot enough to melt steel.

Expect a Karl Rove indictment within the next two weeks.

HonestChieffan
05-31-2010, 11:13 AM
The garbage this asshat seems to have opinions on know no bounds. Here Banyon, one of your ObamaPosse Buds riding in to help...



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Baby Lee
05-31-2010, 11:26 AM
Yes, that was his statement, but you removed it from its context.

What is the point of him claiming that in this thread?

psst - the summation of neurons and synapses shared by BL and Petey = 0.

chiefzilla1501
05-31-2010, 12:50 PM
I suppose the potential loss of millions of acres of habitat, the loss in jobs and business failures in the gulf, the next wave of tourism losses to the state and to NO is all minor in comparison to a flood.

Obama can wear this around his neck forever. Its his EPA, his response or lack of, his lack of decisions to protect the coast.

Katrina was a natural disaster this is man made on his watch with his EPA's approval.

100x may be low.

The fishing industry will completely disappear there, which is a shame, because that's what the entire region thrives upon. Worst part is that these are poorer people who probably have no education and all they know how to do is fish. What do you do with them? Force them to move?

I heard a pretty pointed comment on the news. One resident asked if their fishing industry was "too big to fail." How do you justify bailing the Big 3 out of bankruptcy for their stupidity, and then not doing something similar for a manmade disaster you helped create? That's what's so dangerous about the bailout precedent.

HonestChieffan
05-31-2010, 12:58 PM
The fishing industry will completely disappear there, which is a shame, because that's what the entire region thrives upon. Worst part is that these are poorer people who probably have no education and all they know how to do is fish. What do you do with them? Force them to move?

I heard a pretty pointed comment on the news. One resident asked if their fishing industry was "too big to fail." How do you justify bailing the Big 3 out of bankruptcy for their stupidity, and then not doing something similar for a manmade disaster you helped create? That's what's so dangerous about the bailout precedent.


There are not enough to be a voter bloc so Obama is more into mexicans and illegals gaining voter registration than in some old white cracker with a commercial fishing business.

The Mad Crapper
05-31-2010, 02:17 PM
The fishing industry will completely disappear there, which is a shame, because that's what the entire region thrives upon. Worst part is that these are poorer people who probably have no education and all they know how to do is fish. What do you do with them? Force them to move?



You can always build more FEMA trailers.

memyselfI
06-01-2010, 06:53 AM
You can always build more FEMA trailers.

They should fill the hole with contaminated FEMA trailers. That would kill two miserable lack of leadership disasters at once.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2010, 07:57 AM
It's common knowledge that George Bush blew up the levees because he hates chocolate people.

The Army Corps of Engineers were in charge of those walls that broke.