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petegz28
06-01-2010, 08:05 PM
This is just getting out of hand anymore.

This little pill (insert name of pill here) will:

fix your heartburn
lower your cholesterol
give you a woody
thin your blood
make you breathe easier
make you sleep
make you stay awake
make you loose weight
make you feel better about you
help you quit smoking
help you see better


side effects of (insert name of pill here) are:

dizziness
nausea
stomach cramps
difficulty breathing
headache
heart attack
prolonged erection (ok, this one is acceptable)
stroke
heartburn
diarrhea
constipation
confusion
depression
suicidal thoughts
hyperactivity
high cholesterol
death



Sure seems the drug companies suck you into a vicious cycle. Once you take a pill for one thing, you have to take another pill for the side effects of that pill, then another pill for the side effects of that pill, and so on and so on and so on

Bugeater
06-01-2010, 08:07 PM
$$$

DeezNutz
06-01-2010, 08:07 PM
So when did you start taking Cialis?

petegz28
06-01-2010, 08:07 PM
So when did you start taking Cialis?

I'm still looking for an all natural alternative :D

Pablo
06-01-2010, 08:08 PM
Yeah, but we better shell out billions of dollars annually to bust the dude smoking a joint after work.

DeezNutz
06-01-2010, 08:09 PM
I'm still looking for an all natural alternative :D

http://www.castilloliquorsinc.com/shop/images/ad-beerx.jpg

Natural lime flavor, and my man Reaper approves of it.

petegz28
06-01-2010, 08:10 PM
http://www.castilloliquorsinc.com/shop/images/ad-beerx.jpg

Natural lime flavor, and my man Reaper approves of it.

http://www.irishtimesphilly.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/smithwicks1.jpg

FTW!!!

NewChief
06-01-2010, 08:12 PM
Outside magazine had a truly frightening article about a guy's battle with klonopin (and other anti-anxiety medication) addiction. Google "klonopin withdrawals" sometime. The shit sounds horrifying.

Chief Roundup
06-01-2010, 08:14 PM
Yeah, but we better shell out billions of dollars annually to bust the dude smoking a joint after work.

Well he is not a licensed drug pusher. :rolleyes:

googlegoogle
06-01-2010, 08:16 PM
We spend too much on vitamins.

A pill for heart disease daily that's cheap would be great.

NewChief
06-01-2010, 08:18 PM
Here's a great account of benzo addiction:
http://ashtonbenzomanual.com/
Why do I call it "Benzo Hell"?

There is a pattern in many cases (I am not trying to explain away all "psychological" problems!), and here is how it goes:

Patient goes to doctor with minor sadness, grief, or vague feelings of depression or anxiety.

Doctor prescribes some form of benzodiazepine, most likely Xanax nowadays.

Patient feels better.

Patient only goes to doctor from now on for prescription refills.

Over time the pills don't work any more. Patient gets a larger prescription.

At some point the "med" no longer offers any relief.

Patient tries to cold turkey and experiences horrifying physiological symptoms of terror, depression, heart palpitations, sweats, rolling panic attacks and a whole host of other physical symptoms that feel like fear. May even experience a seizure.

Patient goes to psychiatrist utterly freaked out! Begs for help. Doctor tries anti depressants, anti psychotics, mood stabilizers, MAOI's, just about everything in his arsenal. Also gives the patient Valium or Klonopin "As needed!"

Patient ends up in a Psych ward. Doctor diagnoses him/her with generalized anxiety disorder possibly even bi-polar disorder. Patient attends CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy). It doesn't help! Why? Because it isn't a psychological problem! It's the body's "normal" reaction to benzodiazepine poisoning. It is physiological at its root. The body reacts with all the symptomology of intense terror, and any normal human will interpret the symptoms as irrational fear. I've seen the strongest men and women get felled by this monster. Check out: Benzo Stories for more stories of Benzo suffering.

Patient never finds out that the problem is benzo withdrawal. God help that patient! He loses his house, wife, family, friends, job. And he never gets better. I wonder how many commit suicide. I know those why tried, and I know of some who succeeded. (I never cease to be shocked by the way the media trivializes benzos.)

OR... The patient may or may not lose, house, husband, job, etc, but discovers a web based support forum, reads the Ashton Manual and starts slow tapering from benzos.
Many succeed in getting off benzodiazepines and healing, and they never have that unnaturaly intense anxiety, panic and symptomology again. These patients get their life back together, and are able to enjoy life again. I am one of those success stories.

Sure-Oz
06-01-2010, 08:20 PM
Im on cholesterol meds and stuff for heartburn/acid

petegz28
06-01-2010, 08:20 PM
We spend too much on vitamins.

A pill for heart disease daily that's cheap would be great.

Now I know this is going to sound all ****ed up and crazy-like, but I would think that eating properly, including veggies and fruit in your daily diet, exercise and not smoking would eliminate the majority of problems for the majority of people.

Now I'm, going to go get me a double cheese!!!! /jk

alnorth
06-01-2010, 09:37 PM
Putting a bad connotation on pills seems weird to me. It is medicine manufactured in a solid digestible form.

If you replaced "pill" with "injection at the hospital", it sounds different, but it shouldn't. We generally prefer to buy pills at the pharmacy, not injectible liquids unless absolutely necessary (insulin)

edit: unless the point of this thread is not "we are obsessed with pills", but rather "we are stupidly eating ourselves into obesity, not exercising, and relying on pills to fix our bad way of life", in which case, carry on.

kchero
06-01-2010, 10:59 PM
Every medication has side effects, when you manipulate a function within the body and the biochemistry of the body you will naturally effect something else. The problem is that we are an over medicated society that is too lazy to make lifestyle changes and would rather take the "easy solution" of just taking a pill every day.
Medications are obviously needed, but it is an abuse of the system (patients, doctors, etc) that create all of these dependence issues that currently exist.

BWillie
06-01-2010, 11:21 PM
Is there anything I can take to not get pissed off at rah tards?

Silock
06-02-2010, 12:12 AM
I'm still looking for an all natural alternative :D

Horny Goat weed.

That's really all Viagra is. It's just got a MASSIVE dose of it.

Jenson71
06-02-2010, 12:21 AM
Im on cholesterol meds and stuff for heartburn/acid

And you know what? You'll probably have a better and longer life because of them.

SNR
06-02-2010, 12:42 AM
You know, they probably have a pill to help you not worry about all these pills

AZORChiefFan
06-02-2010, 01:43 AM
A few years ago 3.5 or so I was having really bad anxiety attacks along with some 'depression'. So I go to the doctor and he puts me on Prozac. 20mg at first then after a couple months that gets shot up to 40mg then 60mg. For a while it did help. Then came the side effects. Insomnia, constipation along with diarrhea, loss of sex drive and so on. Not necessarily all at the same time but I always had the insomnia while on prozac.

So I go to Dr complaining about insomnia and he puts me on Ambien.

About six months ago I decided I was feeling fine and had been for quite sometime. I hadn't had any anxiety attacks or any depression in a long time. Well that and all the shitty side effects weren't worth what the prozac was doing for me. SO I felt I didn't need to take the prozac anymore.

I was at the doctor for something else and mentioned this.
I even said I wanted to take a month or 2 off to see how things go. The Dr was like well sometimes stops having any effect. Lets try this drug for next month and see how that goes.

::SIGH::

So I let her give me a prescription (that I had no intention of filling).

The ambien was/is another story. instead of taking it when I needed to sleep I took it so I could stay up late and know I could take it and 20-30 min later I'd be asleep. That and I just did some weird crap while on it. Much to the consternation of my GF.

6+ months now and no prozac and I feel better and can actually take a dump and feel great after. I know how most of you feel about taking a great dump so you should understand.

6+ days later and no ambien and I am still having some trouble catching z's.

Being on the computer at 1 am probably isn't helping with that.

Coach
06-02-2010, 03:42 AM
"When experiencing a prolonged erection for more than 4 hours, seek medical attention" or along the lines like that.

I'm thinking to myself "WTF for?" If it's still erect, then it's still working.

NewChief
06-02-2010, 05:15 AM
"When experiencing a prolonged erection for more than 4 hours, seek medical attention" or along the lines like that.

I'm thinking to myself "WTF for?" If it's still erect, then it's still working.

Heh. Because your penis can go septic and have to be amputated.

Hog Farmer
06-02-2010, 05:22 AM
A while back I started eating a huge bowl of fruit for breakfast (grapes,blueberries,strawberries,grapefruitand either a cantalope or honeydew) all mixed up. And for lunch , steamed brocolli, carrots,cauliflower, with a very small portion of lean meat . It really, really, really made me feel better. My shits were huge and I just felt gooood.

PhillyChiefFan
06-02-2010, 06:21 AM
A while back I started eating a huge bowl of fruit for breakfast (grapes,blueberries,strawberries,grapefruitand either a cantalope or honeydew) all mixed up. And for lunch , steamed brocolli, carrots,cauliflower, with a very small portion of lean meat . It really, really, really made me feel better. My shits were huge and I just felt gooood.

I just eat simple stuff too.

People think that eating healthy is expensive, but honestly, if you portion control and just eat what your body NEEDS and not what it wants it's not too bad.

I'll eat basically the same thing that you do, and I agree I feel 100% better, happier, healthier and it is addictive, because you want to keep it up.

and I agree the shits are glorious. :D

Hydrae
06-02-2010, 08:11 AM
I wonder some days if we have really gotten past the days of patent medicines peddled by quacks out of the back of their wagons.

boogblaster
06-02-2010, 08:30 AM
I luv me meds .. f*ck all that natural chit ....

Detoxing
06-02-2010, 09:07 AM
It's called Marijuana, people. Get with the program.

Can't sleep? Smoke a blunt

Can't eat? Smoke a blunt

Stressed out? Smoke a blunt

Depressed? Smoke a blunt

Ladies, having bad cramps? Smoke a blunt

Tooth ache? Smoke a blunt!

Can't get a woody? Take a pill and then smoke a blunt!


Marijuana for everyone! The all natural all purpose drug!

Detoxing
06-02-2010, 09:08 AM
Hrmmm.....I wonder if they make THC pills....

gblowfish
06-02-2010, 09:25 AM
When I was young I spent a lot of time and energy trying to get on drugs.
Now that I'm old I just wish I didn't have to take drugs at all.

Every morning:
Two blood pressure Pills
One Allergy Pill
Three Thyroid Pills
One Vitamin
One Arthritis Suppliment
One Low Dose Aspirin.

Yummy with OJ or Stephenson's Apple Cider.
Let the day begin.

Detoxing
06-02-2010, 09:54 AM
When I was young I spent a lot of time and energy trying to get on drugs.
Now that I'm old I just wish I didn't have to take drugs at all.

Every morning:
Two blood pressure Pills
One Allergy Pill
Three Thyroid Pills
One Vitamin
One Arthritis Suppliment
One Low Dose Aspirin.

Yummy with OJ or Stephenson's Apple Cider.
Let the day begin.

Maybe it's time for you to just die already?


















Im just kidding man, don't neg rep me, lol.

Hydrae
06-02-2010, 10:04 AM
When I was young I spent a lot of time and energy trying to get on drugs.
Now that I'm old I just wish I didn't have to take drugs at all.

Every morning:
Two blood pressure Pills
One Allergy Pill
Three Thyroid Pills
One Vitamin
One Arthritis Suppliment
One Low Dose Aspirin.

Yummy with OJ or Stephenson's Apple Cider.
Let the day begin.

I noticed the other day that my thyroid medication says not to take it within 4 hours of a multi-vitamin. You might want to look at that.

gblowfish
06-02-2010, 10:14 AM
Yeah, I asked my doc about it and he said no problem, take them at the same time. There's different types of thyroid medication, I'm on about my third different type of meds now for that.

gblowfish
06-02-2010, 10:27 AM
Maybe it's time for you to just die already?

Im just kidding man, don't neg rep me, lol.

I usually don't feel like dropping dead unless I watch the Royals.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 10:44 AM
Yeah, but we better shell out billions of dollars annually to bust the dude smoking a joint after work.

Big Pharma is one of the biggest, if not the biggest reason MJ is still illegal to begin with.

We can't have something natural making the shit being made by the Pharm companies irrelevant.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 10:53 AM
I don't recall anyone during my childhood that had to worry about "Restless Legs Syndrome."

Or Firbromyalgia, (sp)

Or ED.

Or God knows what else.

Have we become a country of hypochondriacs? Thanks, big pharma.

Coach
06-02-2010, 10:56 AM
Heh. Because your penis can go septic and have to be amputated.

I'm aware of that.

Basically, it was an attempt of a joke (a bad one, I'd rather say) on that.

Hydrae
06-02-2010, 10:56 AM
I don't recall anyone during my childhood that had to worry about "Restless Legs Syndrome."

Or Firbromyalgia, (sp)

Or ED.

Or God knows what else.

Have we become a country of hypochondriacs? Thanks, big pharma.

"It's not my fault, I have a condition and am on meds."

Twinkie defense anyone? :)

Pants
06-02-2010, 11:06 AM
Hrmmm.....I wonder if they make THC pills....

Marinol. It won't get you high, though.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 11:07 AM
Hell, the cross-use is what freaks me the fuck out.

I was prescribed a muscle relaxer to use for a a day or so after knee surgery.

Turns out it's also used to treat anxiety, alcohol withdrawl and insomnia.

As well as:

Treatment of neurovegetative symptoms associated with vertigo.

Treatment of the symptoms of opiate and benzodiazepine withdrawal.

Treatment of tetanus, together with other measures of intensive-treatment.

Adjunctive treatment of spastic muscular paresis (para-/tetraplegia) caused by cerebral or spinal cord conditions such as stroke, multiple sclerosis, spinal cord injury (long-term treatment is coupled with other rehabilitative measures)

Palliative treatment of stiff person syndrome

Pre-/postoperative sedation, anxiolysis and/or amnesia (e.g., before endoscopic or surgical procedures)

Treatment of complications with hallucinogens, such as LSD or overdose of CNS stimulants, such as cocaine, or methamphetamine.

Prophylactic treatment of oxygen toxicity during hyperbaric oxygen therapy.



Oh yeah, and vets use it as a sedative for dogs and fucking cats.

WONDER DRUG!

Coach
06-02-2010, 11:08 AM
Hell, the cross-use is what freaks me the fuck out.

I was prescribed a muscle relaxer to use for a a day or so after knee surgery.

Turns out it's also used to treat anxiety, alcohol withdrawl and insomnia.

As well as:

Treatment of neurovegetative symptoms associated with vertigo.

Treatment of the symptoms of opiate and benzodiazepine withdrawal.

Treatment of tetanus, together with other measures of intensive-treatment.

Adjunctive treatment of spastic muscular paresis (para-/tetraplegia) caused by cerebral or spinal cord conditions such as stroke, multiple sclerosis, spinal cord injury (long-term treatment is coupled with other rehabilitative measures)

Palliative treatment of stiff person syndrome

Pre-/postoperative sedation, anxiolysis and/or amnesia (e.g., before endoscopic or surgical procedures)

Treatment of complications with hallucinogens, such as LSD or overdose of CNS stimulants, such as cocaine, or methamphetamine.

Prophylactic treatment of oxygen toxicity during hyperbaric oxygen therapy.



Oh yeah, and vets use it as a sedative for dogs and fucking cats.

WONDER DRUG!

Walk it off

:D

Pants
06-02-2010, 11:09 AM
I don't recall anyone during my childhood that had to worry about "Restless Legs Syndrome."

Or Firbromyalgia, (sp)

Or ED.

Or God knows what else.

Have we become a country of hypochondriacs? Thanks, big pharma.

Let's just go back to what they did in 1800's and all die at 53! If you make it to 60, you might set some kind of a record!

There are definitely problems with big pharma and drug abuse, but all in all, it's just called progress and is why our life expectancy keeps going up. Filling prescriptions is completely voluntary, nobody is making you do shit. If you have ED and you're OK with it and it doesn't bother you, there's no need to go get that Cials/Levitra/Viagra.

excessive
06-02-2010, 11:16 AM
NewPhin

"There is a pattern in many cases (I am not trying to explain away all "psychological" problems!), and here is how it goes:

Patient goes to doctor with minor sadness, grief, or vague feelings of depression or anxiety.

Doctor prescribes some form of benzodiazepine, most likely Xanax nowadays.

Patient feels better.

Patient only goes to doctor from now on for prescription refills.

Over time the pills don't work any more. Patient gets a larger prescription.

At some point the "med" no longer offers any relief.

Patient tries to cold turkey and experiences horrifying physiological symptoms of terror, depression, heart palpitations, sweats, rolling panic attacks and a whole host of other physical symptoms that feel like fear. May even experience a seizure.

Patient goes to psychiatrist utterly freaked out! Begs for help. Doctor tries anti depressants, anti psychotics, mood stabilizers, MAOI's, just about everything in his arsenal. Also gives the patient Valium or Klonopin "As needed!"

Patient ends up in a Psych ward. Doctor diagnoses him/her with generalized anxiety disorder possibly even bi-polar disorder. Patient attends CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy). It doesn't help! Why? Because it isn't a psychological problem! It's the body's "normal" reaction to benzodiazepine poisoning. It is physiological at its root. The body reacts with all the symptomology of intense terror, and any normal human will interpret the symptoms as irrational fear. I've seen the strongest men and women get felled by this monster. Check out: Benzo Stories for more stories of Benzo suffering.

Patient never finds out that the problem is benzo withdrawal. God help that patient! He loses his house, wife, family, friends, job. And he never gets better. I wonder how many commit suicide. I know those why tried, and I know of some who succeeded. (I never cease to be shocked by the way the media trivializes benzos.)

OR... The patient may or may not lose, house, husband, job, etc, but discovers a web based support forum, reads the Ashton Manual and starts slow tapering from benzos.
Many succeed in getting off benzodiazepines and healing, and they never have that unnaturaly intense anxiety, panic and symptomology again. These patients get their life back together, and are able to enjoy life again. I am one of those success stories"

'

QFT--My step-daughter took her own life. She was 19 and a "social" drug user. Her current, and last, drug of choice was Xanax, but she never took it alone. Usually with alcohol, sometimes with cocaine. It wasn't prescribed but a street drug acquired from "friends." She lived with her Dad and not with us and did a pretty good job of hiding her pain and depression.

If you a lay a chart of number of suicides in young people on top of a chart of prescriptions for ADHD and anxiety disorders, etc., you'll see a similar rise in each. As use of these of these drugs has increased, so has the number of suicides.

Don't prescribe them to your kids, and if you know anyone "playing around" with them, talk to them seriously about the effects. I sure wish I could have that chance, and I'll live the rest of my life regretting that I didn't when I could have.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 11:16 AM
Let's just go back to what they did in 1800's and all die at 53! If you make it to 60, you might set some kind of a record!

There are definitely problems with big pharma and drug abuse, but all in all, it's just called progress and is why our life expectancy keeps going up. Filling prescriptions is completely voluntary, nobody is making you do shit. If you have ED and you're OK with it and it doesn't bother you, there's no need to go get that Cials/Levitra/Viagra.

Come the fuck on.

I'm not talking about legit, life threating illnesses (or in this case life lengthening drugs) but restless legs syndrome? (as an example)

Gimme a fucking break.

And sure, filling those scripts are voluntary, but I think BP and their marketing have scared the shit out of a lot of vulnerable people who now think they need this pill.

JMO.

Pants
06-02-2010, 11:35 AM
Come the **** on.

I'm not talking about legit, life threating illnesses (or in this case life lengthening drugs) but restless legs syndrome? (as an example)

Gimme a ****ing break.

And sure, filling those scripts are voluntary, but I think BP and their marketing have scared the shit out of a lot of vulnerable people who now think they need this pill.

JMO.

So if a person can't sleep because of RLS and suffers through all kinds of hormonal imbalances due to that lack of sleep, you prescribe Ambien so the person can get knocked the fuck out and get dependent on sleeping pills? Or tell the person to just deal with it like their grampappy used to?

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 11:46 AM
So if a person can't sleep because of RLS and suffers through all kinds of hormonal imbalances due to that lack of sleep, you prescribe Ambien so the person can get knocked the fuck out and get dependent on sleeping pills? Or tell the person to just deal with it like their grampappy used to?

I'm saying I sincerely doubt that certain maladies like RLS even EXISTED. or even do exist as they are being "marketed." Go ahead and fit me for my BIG DADDY Commemorative Tinfoil Hat if you like, but I think that Big Pharma makes some os this shit up, with very general/vague symptoms, scare the hell out of vulnernable people (or dumbasses, if you wish) and they profit.

One reason I brought up RLS:

I've never had an issue sleeping, or with my legs - UNTIL I saw a commercial for RLS. Soon thereafter, my legs would kinda tingle and be restless when I'm trying to sleep.

I don't have RLS. It's all bullshit. Had I never saw that commercial, I'd bet everything I own that that episode or two never would have happened.

It nothing more than a huge mindfuck, IMO. In this case, I was the dumbfuck, because I let my mind play a fucking trick on me - over a stupid fucking commercial.

KCUnited
06-02-2010, 11:54 AM
The commercials on the local sports talk radio in the morning are even worse. Every morning on the 25 minute drive into work I feel the amazing need to retain an attorney for protection against unfair child support on kids I don't even have and a tingly cancer sensation in my balls that makes me want to immediately detour to the closest doctors office for an exam.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 11:57 AM
The commercials on the local sports talk radio in the morning are even worse. Every morning on the 25 minute drive into work I feel the amazing need to retain an attorney for protection against unfair child support on kids I don't even have and a tingly cancer sensation in my balls that makes me want to immediately detour to the closest doctors office for an exam.

LMAO

Pants
06-02-2010, 11:58 AM
I'm saying I sincerely doubt that certain maladies like RLS even EXISTED. or even do exist as they are being "marketed." Go ahead and fit me for my BIG DADDY Commemorative Tinfoil Hat if you like, but I think that Big Pharma makes some os this shit up, with very general/vague symptoms, scare the hell out of vulnernable people (or dumbasses, if you wish) and they profit.

One reason I brought up RLS:

I've never had an issue sleeping, or with my legs - UNTIL I saw a commercial for RLS. Soon thereafter, my legs would kinda tingle and be restless when I'm trying to sleep.

I don't have RLS. It's all bullshit. Had I never saw that commercial, I'd bet everything I own that that episode or two never would have happened.

It nothing more than a huge mind****, IMO. In this case, I was the dumb****, because I let my mind play a ****ing trick on me - over a stupid ****ing commercial.

Ah, the ol' power of suggestion. I'm sure that's exactly what it is in some cases, but I'm not qualified to simply discount the Wittmaack-Ekbom's syndrome (RLS).

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 12:01 PM
Ah, the ol' power of suggestion. I'm sure that's exactly what it is in some cases, but I'm not qualified to simply discount the Wittmaack-Ekbom's syndrome (RLS).

I'm not qualified to simply discount it either, but I'm not ruling out POS either.

The fact that POS is even part of the equation is part of what bothers me about this - because I think BP takes advantage of it.

cdcox
06-02-2010, 01:30 PM
QFT--My step-daughter took her own life. She was 19 and a "social" drug user. Her current, and last, drug of choice was Xanax, but she never took it alone. Usually with alcohol, sometimes with cocaine. It wasn't prescribed but a street drug acquired from "friends." She lived with her Dad and not with us and did a pretty good job of hiding her pain and depression.

If you a lay a chart of number of suicides in young people on top of a chart of prescriptions for ADHD and anxiety disorders, etc., you'll see a similar rise in each. As use of these of these drugs has increased, so has the number of suicides.

Don't prescribe them to your kids, and if you know anyone "playing around" with them, talk to them seriously about the effects. I sure wish I could have that chance, and I'll live the rest of my life regretting that I didn't when I could have.

Sorry about your step daughter. I'm going through something similar with my daughter right now. Haven't shared it here, but WTF.

Started 5 years ago with stomach pain when she was 14. After suspecting it was Crohn's, they checked her into the hospital and put her on a morphine drip. Then she started wanting to go to the hospital for opiates every time her stomach hurt. After several hospital visits spread over a few months they decided it was maybe IBS and anxiety instead of Crohn's. They gave her xanax to drop her anxiety enough to leave the hospital. She had her first ever anxiety attack that same day, after giving her xanax. Go figure. She also started getting pretty regular prescriptions for opiate pain killers at this time, to take on an as needed basis to keep her out of the hospital. They also recommended that she go to a psychiatrist that ended up diagnosing her with bipolar. Within a couple of months we figured out that guy was a quack and started taking her to a different psychiatrist. He weaned her off the pain meds but kept her pumped full of xanax and started her on other psychotropic drugs. She stayed off the pain meds for maybe 8 mos, then the stomach pain kicked up again, back to the hospital, back to IV pain meds and prescriptions on a fairly routine basis. When she'd run out, within a few weeks we'd be at the emergency room for stomach pain. Or she wold have toe surgery (ingrown toenails probably 2 or 3 surgeries) and back on pain killers for that.

During this time period she dropped out of HS after only completing 10th grade. She never learned to drive because she was too stoned most of the time.

A little more that a year ago, the docs in town finally figured out she was addicted to pain meds and was exhibiting seeking behavior. She finally ran out of medical supplies for those. In Fall of '09 she started seeking street supplies of the pain killers and was abusing xanax, which she still had a prescription for. We were detecting weird behavior patterns from her and picked up on the street drug use pretty quickly.

This all came to a head with a quasi-suicide attempt in January. She cut her wrist, but not deeply enough to put her life in danger. She left the house strapped to a gurney with an ambulance and half-a-dozen police cars in front of the house. Got her into drug rehab. She's been in for 120 days in two residential programs. She was home this past weekend for a short visit and stole money from us and snuck out of the house to try to buy drugs. She is back in treatment for 60 days right now. At 20 years old, her life is a complete mess and I don't know if she will ever get it straightened out. I've done everything I can do, but I'm not sure she wants it badly enough to make it happen. It has been a terrible experience for me and my wife, totally wiping us out financially, not to mention the total emotional drain and strain on family relationships.

It would be easy to look at our situation and think "WTF were you idiots thinking?" But all of the recommendations were coming from doctors. She took prescription drugs for 4.5 years before she ever went to the street for them. You just want your kid to get better and so you go along with what the experts recommend. Of course I was leery about the pain meds and xanax from the very beginning. When we initially expressed concern about addiction to pain killers, everyone indicated that she wouldn't be on them long enough for it to be a problem. Then before you know it, she was on them long enough for it to be a problem. It was incremental and insidious. Until we got her into drug rehab, all the doctors said xanax was fine, even when we raised concerns. Once she was in drug rehab, they got her off the xanax right away.

In hindsight, for a teenager, I would wait to put them on anti-depressants or anti-anxiety medicines for several years to see if they grew out of it. I would only try them as a last resort and I would want to know what the risks are, which are never talked about.

Opiate pain medicines for chronic pain for children/teenagers seems to be a no win situation. They either suffer with chronic pain or the addiction. I wish there were a way that I could have taken the pain. I could deal with that far easier than the mess our life has become.

Pants
06-02-2010, 01:39 PM
That is a terribly sad story, NewPhin. The good thing is that she is still young and has her whole life ahead of her to correct everything. Just give her all the support you can while being firm at the same time. Also, let every doctor she sees post addiction know about her past issues. There are pain killers like Tramadol out there that are not opiate-based. She's just going to have to deal with more pain which is probably a better alternative than having a relapse (nothing is as good at alleviating pain as an opiate). I wish you good luck and stay strong, you guys.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 01:40 PM
So if a person can't sleep because of RLS and suffers through all kinds of hormonal imbalances due to that lack of sleep, you prescribe Ambien so the person can get knocked the **** out and get dependent on sleeping pills? Or tell the person to just deal with it like their grampappy used to?

I have met 2 people with RLS. Neither one ate properly and exercise was a pipedream.

Most people seem to garner these "conditions" from not taking care of themselves in the first place. We have become a society that wants pills to replace personal responsibility for thier own health. I understand some people do take care of themselves and still have certain conditions and then pill are perhaps the only alternative.

But as the most obese nation in the world, it is clearly obvious that we as a people want to eat McDonald's, sit on our ass, play video games, drink alcohol and smoke. Then we want to take pills to replace not eating right and not exercising.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 01:44 PM
Then again, one has to look at the decades of chemicals we have ingested through processed foods, hormone injected cattle and poultry, etc, etc.

Even when people do try to eat right, sometimes it is hard simply because of how the food was grown in the first place.

Take a look at milk.

regular non-fat milk looks like water with a little milk coloring and tastes like shit

real, organic non-fat milk looks and tastes like the whole milk you get from the regular stuff

Pants
06-02-2010, 01:46 PM
I have met 2 people with RLS. Neither one ate properly and exercise was a pipedream.

Most people seem to garner these "conditions" from not taking care of themselves in the first place. We have become a society that wants pills to replace personal responsibility for thier own health. I understand some people do take care of themselves and still have certain conditions and then pill are perhaps the only alternative.

But as the most obese nation in the world, it is clearly obvious that we as a people want to eat McDonald's, sit on our ass, play video games, drink alcohol and smoke. Then we want to take pills to replace not eating right and not exercising.

OK, doctor pete, when you become an MD and do some research on RLS, please let us know what you think. God forbid a child is born with something like asthma and has an episode and you refuse to treat said child with an inhaler because obviously genetics play no role in any diseases or disorders and the child should just eat better and exercise and play less video games.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 01:50 PM
OK, doctor pete, when you become an MD and do some research on RLS, please let us know what you think. God forbid a child is born with something like asthma and has an episode and you refuse to treat said child with an inhaler because obviously genetics play no role in any diseases or disorders and the child should just eat better and exercise and play less video games.

Jump to extremes much? I believe I used the phrase "most people". Some people are born with medical conditions, such as my aunt who has diabetes of the worst kind. And there is no alternative but for them to live a life of medication. On the other hand, that is the minority of the population.

Most people, as I said, don't eat right, don't exercise and take pills to make their conditions livably acceptable.

Had ADD been around when I was in grade school they would have tried to stick me on meds. Imagine, little kids who have energy and don't like being in school. WTF is this world coming too? BTW, I made straight A's in grade school.

teedubya
06-02-2010, 01:53 PM
The fact that all of these fucking pills are legal and marijuana is ILLEGAL is evidence of a vastly corrupt system.

You can't make as much money on marijuana... and you can't patent it.

Big Pharma can suck it, Trebek!

Pants
06-02-2010, 01:54 PM
Jump to extremes much? I believe I used the phrase "most people". Some people are born with medical conditions, such as my aunt who has diabetes of the worst kind. And there is no alternative but for them to live a life of medication. On the other hand, that is the minority of the population.

Most people, as I said, don't eat right, don't exercise and take pills to make their conditions livably acceptable.

Sure, we can probably prescribe less meds as a society. I hate the anti-depressant culture almost as much as the antibiotic culture. I can see how we can improve the hypertension issue everyone seems to be having, but other than that I can't say I see any problems. Nor do I see the situation nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

Pants
06-02-2010, 01:56 PM
The fact that all of these ****ing pills are legal and marijuana is ILLEGAL is evidence of a vastly corrupt system.

You can't make as much money on marijuana... and you can't patent it.

Big Pharma can suck it, Trebek!
Ignorant poster makes another ignorant statement. Of all people, you should know the history of marijuana and how it became illegal to begin with. I assure you, big pharma is not the issue here and marijuana poses no threat to that industry.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 02:01 PM
The fact that all of these ****ing pills are legal and marijuana is ILLEGAL is evidence of a vastly corrupt system.

You can't make as much money on marijuana... and you can't patent it.

Big Pharma can suck it, Trebek!

I agree. With the exception of the side effects of MJ, smoke inhalation and the destruction of brain cells, it really is probably eaiser on the body to treat a multitude of symptoms than a lot of these pills.

I saw a commerical yesterday for something new called Lavaza (sp?). That is what prompted me to make this thread. Baiscally it is a pill that reduces fat from the blood stream. From what I got from the commerical, it is a overpowered Omega-3 pill. As they stated that is the basis of the drug. But they made sure to tell you that "you can't get this in a health foods store". Basically they are saying it is "safer" than OTC fish oil pills. Yet they have all these side effects fish oil pills do not.

Now, correct me if I am wrong but fat in the bloodstream is probably directly correlated to how much fat you intake through your throat hole.

I just found this on Lavaza:

LovazaŽ (omega-3-acid ethyl esters) is a medication that can be prescribed to help lower very high triglyceride levels. It is made of fish oil and contains two different omega-3 fatty acids, DHA and EPA. Lovaza is considered much safer than over-the-counter fish oil supplements because it is made using a 5-step refinement process that removes impurities (ensuring a pure and safe product). The drug comes in capsule form and can be taken either once or twice a day.

So, I can take their "safer" fish oil pill and suffer any side effects, or I can take a regular fish oil pill that has the same DHA and EPA in it and suffer from the occasional fishy-tasting burp.

OR....OR....get this, I can eat fish 3 times a week.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 02:04 PM
Sure, we can probably prescribe less meds as a society. I hate the anti-depressant culture almost as much as the antibiotic culture. I can see how we can improve the hypertension issue everyone seems to be having, but other than that I can't say I see any problems. Nor do I see the situation nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

Hypertension??? We can do a lot more than that.

Obesity leads to diabetes, high cholesterol, stroke, heart attack, arthritis, ED in some cases, stress and immune deficiency

Detoxing
06-02-2010, 02:05 PM
The fact that all of these ****ing pills are legal and marijuana is ILLEGAL is evidence of a vastly corrupt system.

You can't make as much money on marijuana... and you can't patent it.

Big Pharma can suck it, Trebek!

Amen Teedubya my brothya!

Detoxing
06-02-2010, 02:07 PM
Ignorant poster makes another ignorant statement. Of all people, you should know the history of marijuana and how it became illegal to begin with. I assure you, big pharma is not the issue here and marijuana poses no threat to that industry.

I don't think he's BLAMING the pharma companies.....just stating how ass-backwards the policies are.

Saulbadguy
06-02-2010, 02:08 PM
Haven't been to the doctor in 10 years. He would just tell me to lose weight if I complained about anything...which is probably for the better.

Fuck, by the time I would get an appointment to see him any symptoms I would have would be gone anyways.

Pants
06-02-2010, 02:13 PM
I agree. With the exception of the side effects of MJ, smoke inhalation and the destruction of brain cells, it really is probably eaiser on the body to treat a multitude of symptoms than a lot of these pills.

I saw a commerical yesterday for something new called Lavaza (sp?). That is what prompted me to make this thread. Baiscally it is a pill that reduces fat from the blood stream. From what I got from the commerical, it is a overpowered Omega-3 pill. As they stated that is the basis of the drug. But they made sure to tell you that "you can't get this in a health foods store". Basically they are saying it is "safer" than OTC fish oil pills. Yet they have all these side effects fish oil pills do not.

Now, correct me if I am wrong but fat in the bloodstream is probably directly correlated to how much fat you intake through your throat hole.

I just found this on Lavaza:



So, I can take their "safer" fish oil pill and suffer any side effects, or I can take a regular fish oil pill that has the same DHA and EPA in it and suffer from the occasional fishy-tasting burp.

OR....OR....get this, I can eat fish 3 times a week.

Lovaza has the same side effects as any other fish oil supplements and they were found in 3.5% of the patients taking Lovaza as compared to the 2.6% taking a placebo (in other words, these side effects that were reported by people taking Lovaza were happening to people not taking ANYTHING and thus were probably naturally occurring). So your whole side effects argument is pretty retarded, pete. Lovaza is not worth the price, however (IMO), unless you want the peace of mind knowing it won't have any mercury in it (because it's FDA regulated unlike your OTC supplements). It also has more EPA and DHA, but I don't know if the difference is significant.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 02:18 PM
Lovaza has the same side effects as any other fish oil supplements and they were found in 3.5% of the patients taking Lovaza as compared to the 2.6% taking a placebo (in other words, these side effects that were reported by people taking Lovaza were happening to people not taking ANYTHING and thus were probably naturally occurring). So your whole side effects argument is pretty retarded, pete. Lovaza is not worth the price, however (IMO), unless you want the peace of mind knowing it won't have any mercury in it (because it's FDA regulated unlike your OTC supplements). It also has more EPA and DHA, but I don't know if the difference is significant.

You know what "regulated by the FDA" means? Dick. It means absolutely dick.

teedubya
06-02-2010, 02:18 PM
Ignorant poster makes another ignorant statement. Of all people, you should know the history of marijuana and how it became illegal to begin with. I assure you, big pharma is not the issue here and marijuana poses no threat to that industry.

That is certainly not WHY it became illegal... its one of the reasons that it will STAY illegal for as long as they can. Too many powerful lobbyist industries oppose it.

Hemp is why marijane is illegal... more specifically, what you can do with hemp.

I did a huge speech at it while at KU... and presented my speech in front of nearly 1000 people... I know all about the history of marijuana prohibition that Ansligner, Dupont and William Randolph Hearst collaborated on, Mr. Ignorant Poster.

Pants
06-02-2010, 02:34 PM
You know what "regulated by the FDA" means? Dick. It means absolutely dick.

In most cases this is true, but not when it comes to prescription medications.

Pants
06-02-2010, 02:35 PM
That is certainly not WHY it became illegal... its one of the reasons that it will STAY illegal for as long as they can. Too many powerful lobbyist industries oppose it.

Hemp is why marijane is illegal... more specifically, what you can do with hemp.

I did a huge speech at it while at KU... and presented my speech in front of nearly 1000 people... I know all about the history of marijuana prohibition that Ansligner, Dupont and William Randolph Hearst collaborated on, Mr. Ignorant Poster.

CLAPCLAPCLAP? Big pharma is not one of those industries. As long as they have the MD's in their pockets, they don't care what the government does with di ganj.

Detoxing
06-02-2010, 02:37 PM
CLAPCLAPCLAP? Big pharma is not one of those industries. As long as they have the MD's in their pockets, they don't care what the government does with di ganj.

Simple Solution here:

Make some fucking THC pills! YA BOOOOOYYYYY!

Pants
06-02-2010, 02:39 PM
Simple Solution here:

Make some ****ing THC pills! YA BOOOOOYYYYY!

You didn't see my post about Marinol? But like I said, it'll give you the munchies without getting you high. Stupid, I know. :)

Detoxing
06-02-2010, 02:42 PM
You didn't see my post about Marinol? But like I said, it'll give you the munchies without getting you high. Stupid, I know. :)

Nah...honestly, I read threads back to front and havent gotten around to it in this thread yet. I know, im strange.

Otter
06-02-2010, 02:43 PM
I have met 2 people with RLS. Neither one ate properly and exercise was a pipedream.

Most people seem to garner these "conditions" from not taking care of themselves in the first place. We have become a society that wants pills to replace personal responsibility for thier own health. I understand some people do take care of themselves and still have certain conditions and then pill are perhaps the only alternative.

But as the most obese nation in the world, it is clearly obvious that we as a people want to eat McDonald's, sit on our ass, play video games, drink alcohol and smoke. Then we want to take pills to replace not eating right and not exercising.

This is absolutely true in many, many cases. First the human body was engineered to move and be active. Don't sit in front of a computer or a tv for 15 hours then wonder why you can't sleep at night and go looking for pills as a solution to the problem when your lifestyle is the problem.

Second, lack of exercise is also a huge reason for depression. Try examining your lifestyle for causes of depression and lack of sleep before resorting to a synthesized chemical pushed by big pharmaceuticals.

Just pointing out a problem that I see in far too many people today.

RJ
06-02-2010, 03:03 PM
I take two prescriptions, mostly because I prefer not to die just yet if I don't have to. I've never really considered the societal implications. I know, I know.....selfish, right?

petegz28
06-02-2010, 03:31 PM
I take two prescriptions, mostly because I prefer not to die just yet if I don't have to. I've never really considered the societal implications. I know, I know.....selfish, right?

God damn right that's selfiish. Sheesh!!!

/jk :D

petegz28
06-02-2010, 03:33 PM
In most cases this is true, but not when it comes to prescription medications.

Really? The FDA serves no purpose at all. It is just a way for the Gov to get "theirs".

Drug company makes drug
FDA approves drug
Drug kills people
Drug company gets sued
FDA says "bad drug company, how dare you"
FDA has no accountability

It's in the drug company's best interest to perform studies and all that to ensure the safety and effecitvness of their drugs. Pandering to the FDA is nothing more than a costly formality that serves people absolutely no purpose except raising the cost of the drug.

Pants
06-02-2010, 03:35 PM
Really? The FDA serves no purpose at all. It is just a way for the Gov to get "theirs".

Drug company makes drug
FDA approves drug
Drug kills people
Drug company gets sued
FDA says "bad drug company, how dare you"
FDA has no accountability

How many drugs has FDA prevented from hitting the market?

petegz28
06-02-2010, 03:36 PM
How many drugs has FDA prevented from hitting the market?

Tell me, how many? And for what reasons?

Pants
06-02-2010, 03:37 PM
Tell me, how many? And for what reasons?

No, you tell me. You're making the strong statements, why don't you back them up with something.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 03:38 PM
No, you tell me. You're making the strong statements, why don't you back them up with something.

You're the one saying the FDA is viable. So you tell me.

Pants
06-02-2010, 03:41 PM
You're the one saying the FDA is viable. So you tell me.

So in other words you were just talking out of your ass. Ok.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 03:46 PM
So in other words you were just talking out of your ass. Ok.

No, Sir, I was not.

http://www.truth-it.net/fda_and_clinical_trials.html

Pants
06-02-2010, 03:56 PM
No, Sir, I was not.

http://www.truth-it.net/fda_and_clinical_trials.html

Dude, that article is written by some uninformed amateur who can't even write. It's full of conjecture and is complete garbage.

P.S. The drug in question is called Avandia and not Avandie. JFC.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 04:06 PM
Dude, that article is written by some uninformed amateur who can't even write. It's full of conjecture and is complete garbage.

P.S. The drug in question is called Avandia and not Avandie. JFC.

JFC, you're ripping a typo? I guess you missed this header that was in BIG BOLD LETTERS???

THE AVANDIA SCANDAL

Gosh, you're so uninformed and can't even read. LMAO ...that's a joke, don't go all anal

Pants
06-02-2010, 04:13 PM
JFC, you're ripping a typo? I guess you missed this header that was in BIG BOLD LETTERS???



Gosh, you're so uninformed and can't even read. LMAO ...that's a joke, don't go all anal

Did you even read the article or just the headline? I read the whole thing, it was pretty funny. It wasn't just the fact they kept misspelling multiple words including the drug name, it was the fact that it was full of conjecture that made it hilariously bad.

In the real world, the issue with Avandia was the lack of a black box warning. Retarded doctors were prescribing it to people with congestive heart failure even though it was clearly written multiple times in the drug information pamphlet NOT to do so. Tylenol is about to get black-boxed by the FDA for liver failures, BTW.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 04:14 PM
Did you even read the article? I read the whole thing, it was pretty funny. It wasn't just the fact they kept misspelling multiple words including the drug name, it was the fact that it was full of conjecture that made it hilariously bad.

In the real world, the issue with Avandia was the lack of a black box warning. Retarded doctors were prescribing it to people with congestive heart failure even though it was clearly written multiple times in the drug information pamphlet NOT to do so. Tylenol is about to get black-boxed by the FDA for liver failures, BTW.

Well, I'm glad the FDA was there to stop those retarded doctors. Oh wait...

Detoxing
06-02-2010, 04:16 PM
man there is a lot of friction on this board today. Could cut it with a knife...yowza!

Pants
06-02-2010, 04:29 PM
Well, I'm glad the FDA was there to stop those retarded doctors. Oh wait...

It's not the FDA's job to stop retarded doctors. That's why it's the Food and Drug Administration.