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'Hamas' Jenkins
06-02-2010, 07:05 PM
First base ump blows the call in the 9th inning.

From ESPN:

DETROIT -- Armando Galarraga (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28914) of the Detroit Tigers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=det) lost his bid for a perfect game Wednesday night with two outs in the ninth inning on a disputed call at first base. Replays appeared to show Cleveland hitter Jason Donald (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29671) was out.

Tigers manager Jim Leyland immediately argued the call with first base umpire Jim Joyce, and was joined by several Detroit players who surrounded the ump after the Tigers beat the Indians 3-0.Galarraga (2-1) was in complete control throughout the night and on track for the third perfect game of the season.

Sure-Oz
06-02-2010, 07:08 PM
This ump better disappear

DeezNutz
06-02-2010, 07:09 PM
Unforgivable.

tk13
06-02-2010, 07:11 PM
I only wish it could've happened to the White Sox just so I could've heard Hawk Harrelson call that play. His head would've exploded in the booth.

okiedokieokoye
06-02-2010, 07:12 PM
Detroit...try harder.

Bwana
06-02-2010, 07:12 PM
Cocksucking Umpire? Worthless WITH pictures.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 07:17 PM
That sucks.

I'm still not really that impressed with Halladay's from Saturday.

He got a LOT of help on 3-1 and 3-2 counts from the Blue, (he easily could have walked 3-4 guys) and you can't tell me that Ryan Howard's foot was anywhere near the bag when the ball hit his mitt for the final out.

PGM
06-02-2010, 07:18 PM
Just saw this on MLB Network. What a travesty.

PGM
06-02-2010, 07:21 PM
That sucks.

I'm still not really that impressed with Halladay's from Saturday.

He got a LOT of help on 3-1 and 3-2 counts from the Blue, (he easily could have walked 3-4 guys) and you can't tell me that Ryan Howard's foot was anywhere near the bag when the ball hit his mitt for the final out.

You are right. There were alot of calls in that game that reminded me of Livan Hernandez in the playoffs years ago. Alot of ridiculous strike calls on balls waaaay off the plate.

BWillie
06-02-2010, 07:24 PM
Dude, if it's in the 9th and the pitcher has a perfect game or no-hitter. Even if it's a tie when he steps on the base, you gotta give it to the pitcher. I mean come on..it's kind of like an unwritten rule in baseball.

kstater
06-02-2010, 07:27 PM
I don't see how you can make that safe call there.

ChiefaRoo
06-02-2010, 07:27 PM
Gallaraga? I loved that game back in the day. Bees and shit flying onto the screen... crazy.

Reaper16
06-02-2010, 07:29 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/109869532.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1275529478&Signature=tBxOitkjZ0iAAPxkYlaXCw0TllE%3D

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-02-2010, 07:29 PM
Joyce will appparently be the plate ump for the finale tomorrow.

Grab your popcorn

KC native
06-02-2010, 07:29 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/109869532.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1275529478&Signature=tBxOitkjZ0iAAPxkYlaXCw0TllE%3D

Wow.

tk13
06-02-2010, 07:32 PM
Joyce will appparently be the plate ump for the finale tomorrow.

Grab your popcorn

This is Detroit. You spelled bullet-proof vest incorrectly.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 07:32 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/109869532.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1275529478&Signature=tBxOitkjZ0iAAPxkYlaXCw0TllE%3D

Holy fucking Denkinger.

:D

noa
06-02-2010, 07:32 PM
Jesus that is painful. That will always stick with him.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 07:35 PM
The sad part?

Jim Joyce MAY get a bad review. MAYBE.

He should miss a month or so of work and salary.

Start making these officials accountable - in all sports.

milkman
06-02-2010, 07:36 PM
Sadly, that doesn't even look close.

BCD
06-02-2010, 07:36 PM
I only wish it could've happened to the White Sox just so I could've heard Hawk Harrelson call that play. His head would've exploded in the booth.LMAO

KCrockaholic
06-02-2010, 07:38 PM
I was sooo pissed off about this, and I hate the Tigers. But THAT was a bullshit call!

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-02-2010, 07:38 PM
The sad part?

Jim Joyce MAY get a bad review. MAYBE.

He should miss a month or so of work and salary.

Start making these officials accountable - in all sports.

There's no reason for umpires to exist in baseball. None.

Mr. Laz
06-02-2010, 07:39 PM
tbh it wasn't even as close and that picture makes it look

they froze it on t.v. and the runners foot was much higher when the ball was caught

Sure-Oz
06-02-2010, 07:40 PM
LMAO it starts

http://twitter.com/FakeJimJoyce

tk13
06-02-2010, 07:42 PM
LMAO

Seriously, I wish I could put money on things like "Number of FCC violations Hawk Harrelson would've committed if he had called that play." I am almost sure he would've cussed on the air.

Mr. Laz
06-02-2010, 07:45 PM
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5997/1098643964cf76e38b51438.jpg

noa
06-02-2010, 07:46 PM
It's also painful to see that half second where he thinks he accomplished it before he realizes the umpire called the guy safe.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-02-2010, 07:49 PM
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5997/1098643964cf76e38b51438.jpg

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If this isn't a case for instant replay in baseball, nothing is

AustinChief
06-02-2010, 07:51 PM
There's no reason for umpires to exist in baseball. None.

THANK YOU! I'd keep them as props but nothing else.

Mr. Laz
06-02-2010, 07:53 PM
Joyce was distraught. "Most important call of my career and I kicked the s$&t out of it. I cost that kid a perfect game."

doomy3
06-02-2010, 07:53 PM
Damn. That is brutal.

Sure-Oz
06-02-2010, 07:53 PM
TomLeyden

Jim Joyce was distraught. "Most important call of my career and I kicked the s$&t out of it. I cost that kid a perfect game." 10 minutes ago via Echofon

kysirsoze
06-02-2010, 07:53 PM
LMAO it starts

http://twitter.com/FakeJimJoyce

Wow. I was reading it, navigated away and back, and now it's already been taken down.

Either that or Twitter's screwing up.

Mr. Laz
06-02-2010, 07:54 PM
TomLeyden

Jim Joyce was distraught. "Most important call of my career and I kicked the s$&t out of it. I cost that kid a perfect game." 10 minutes ago via Echofonrepost, bitch!

:D

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 08:01 PM
Joyce was distraught. "Most important call of my career and I kicked the s$&t out of it. I cost that kid a perfect game."

Oh, noes. Joyce was "distraught." If he had any respect for the kid or the fucking game, he'd sit out tomorrow's plate assignment, and take ona self-imposed suspension.

I hope the fucker doesn't sleep for 10 fucking years after ruining that kid's PG.

Sure-Oz
06-02-2010, 08:01 PM
repost, bitch!

:D


Repost this biaaatch


@SI_PeterKing: Great moment. Jim Joyce apologizes to Galarraga, Galarraga accepts, they hug. Class by Joyce, incredible class by kid. 2 minutes ago via UberTwitter

DJ's left nut
06-02-2010, 08:02 PM
Wish it would've been Angel Hernandez.

And then somebody would've shot him in the face on the tarmac.

But that's just me...

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 08:07 PM
Repost this biaaatch


@SI_PeterKing: Great moment. Jim Joyce apologizes to Galarraga, Galarraga accepts, they hug. Class by Joyce, incredible class by kid. 2 minutes ago via UberTwitter

Class by the kid by not ripping his fucking head off.

Well, Joyce apologized, so he's off the hook. He'll soon become the victim in all this.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 08:09 PM
Wish it would've been Angel Hernandez.

And then somebody would've shot him in the face on the tarmac.

But that's just me...

Same here.

I laughed my ass off watching Around The Horn (don't ask) when Jackie McMullen said Hernandez was the best ump in the league.

DJ's left nut
06-02-2010, 08:13 PM
Same here.

I laughed my ass off watching Around The Horn (don't ask) when Jackie McMullen said Hernandez was the best ump in the league.

Consider the source.

Jackie McMullen makes less sense than Hootie.

And she's still better at her job than Hernandez is at his.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 08:18 PM
Consider the source.

Jackie McMullen makes less sense than Hootie.

And she's still better at her job than Hernandez is at his.

True 'dat.

warpaint*
06-02-2010, 08:23 PM
Repost this biaaatch


@SI_PeterKing: Great moment. Jim Joyce apologizes to Galarraga, Galarraga accepts, they hug. Class by Joyce, incredible class by kid. 2 minutes ago via UberTwitter

Wow. What's so unbelievably impressive is that he did this while the emotions were still so raw.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-02-2010, 08:29 PM
Wow. What's so unbelievably impressive is that he did this while the emotions were still so raw.

I would have hugged him, then immediately recreated Shawn Micheals vs Marty Jannety on "The Barber Shop".

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The Bad Guy
06-02-2010, 08:34 PM
That sucks.

I'm still not really that impressed with Halladay's from Saturday.

He got a LOT of help on 3-1 and 3-2 counts from the Blue, (he easily could have walked 3-4 guys) and you can't tell me that Ryan Howard's foot was anywhere near the bag when the ball hit his mitt for the final out.

Halladay has a Jordan-esqe strike zone.

tk13
06-02-2010, 08:35 PM
I take that back. I'd like to hear Gorilla Monsoon's call of the missed play, followed by Jim Ross.

The Bad Guy
06-02-2010, 08:37 PM
I take that back. I'd like to hear Gorilla Monsoon's call of the missed play, followed by Jim Ross.

Bobby Heenan would be the only person who loved the ump.

Param
06-02-2010, 08:39 PM
If humans are involved, errors will happen. Too bad because this one was a biggie.

BCD
06-02-2010, 08:55 PM
There must be some way the commish can step in and fix this. Joyce already admitted he fucked up.

Demonpenz
06-02-2010, 09:05 PM
I honestly thing he should be murdered. People say that it is a childs game, nope....this probably cost his family millions of dollars. Line up that umps entire family and shoot them in the neck so you can hear them gargle blood.

teedubya
06-02-2010, 09:09 PM
Why the fuck is Don Denkinger still umping?

Spott
06-02-2010, 09:11 PM
I just saw the replay on the news. That runner was probably twice as far away from the bag that Orta was back in 85.

Mr. Arrowhead
06-02-2010, 09:13 PM
o well, screw the tigers

milkman
06-02-2010, 09:17 PM
There must be some way the commish can step in and fix this. Joyce already admitted he ****ed up.

Probably not, but this will probably start a whole new movement to incorporate instant replay more into the game.

shakesthecat
06-02-2010, 09:18 PM
Probably not, but this will probably start a whole new movement to incorporate instant replay more into the game.

As it should

KCFalcon59
06-02-2010, 09:23 PM
MLB should just rectify it. Give the guy his PG. Wipe out the next at bat as if it never happened. It was an out anyway.

Param
06-02-2010, 09:43 PM
There's no reason for umpires to exist in baseball. None.

It's part of the game.

Param
06-02-2010, 09:44 PM
MLB should just rectify it. Give the guy his PG. Wipe out the next at bat as if it never happened. It was an out anyway.

Can't do that. Well, they can always use an asterisk.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 09:45 PM
It's part of the game.

4 fat guys in blue/black aren't a NECESSARY part of the game, however.

BigRedChief
06-02-2010, 09:47 PM
Thats just BS. He was out by a full step. Thats a mile in baseball. Routine plays are decided by less than a step. He was so full of himself wanting to show even in a perfect game call I'm unbiased. This is why baseball needs expanded replay. Give the managers one replay per game. Something.

DJ's left nut
06-02-2010, 09:53 PM
Thats just BS. He was out by a full step. Thats a mile in baseball. Routine plays are decided by less than a step. He was so full of himself wanting to show even in a perfect game call I'm unbiased. This is why baseball needs expanded replay. Give the managers one replay per game. Something.

If it were Hernandez, I'd agree with you. Or Joe West. Or a handful of other guys out there.

But Jim Joyce is a legitimately good umpire. I really do hate that this happened to him because he's been a good one for a very long time.

I don't really think his ego played into this. I think he just missed the call. It's probably the worst call you'll ever see, but I'm not inclined to call his motives into question.

Param
06-02-2010, 09:53 PM
4 fat guys in blue/black aren't a NECESSARY part of the game, however.

It's tradition and they are a part of the game. From Little Leagues to CWS to MLB., heck even beer league softball they are there. Umps are here and they aren't going anywhere. They are a part of the game.

Frazod
06-02-2010, 09:56 PM
Can't do that. Well, they can always use an asterisk.

We used to live in caves and hunt with spears, too. It's way past time for MLB to get with the 21st century and institute instant replay. There is no excuse for shit like this to happen in this day and age.

And purists can go choke on a bag of dicks. I'm sick of hearing this "it's tradition" bullshit. So was bloodletting. If we can get over that, we can get over the travesty that happened tonight.

|Zach|
06-02-2010, 09:57 PM
Good to see he apologized. You don't really see a lot of that.

|Zach|
06-02-2010, 09:58 PM
We used to live in caves and hunt with spears, too. It's way past time for MLB to get with the 21st century and institute instant replay. There is no excuse for shit like this to happen in this day and age.

And purists can go choke on a bag of dicks. I'm sick of hearing this "it's tradition" bullshit. So was bloodletting. If we can get over that, we can get over the travesty that happened tonight.

That would just make a game that is already drug out too much and boring more drug out boring.

Frazod
06-02-2010, 09:58 PM
That would just make a game that is already drug out too much and boring more drug out boring.

No, it would make it RIGHT.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 10:00 PM
We used to live in caves and hunt with spears, too. It's way past time for MLB to get with the 21st century and institute instant replay. There is no excuse for shit like this to happen in this day and age.

And purists can go choke on a bag of dicks. I'm sick of hearing this "it's tradition" bullshit. So was bloodletting. If we can get over that, we can get over the travesty that happened tonight.

Rep.

"Tradition" is the weakest argument of them all.

Evolve, or die.

Other sports have/are evolving.

Shy of making the dumb fucking decision to award HFA in the WS to the winner of the ASG, MLB hasn't made any changes, much less any to better the game.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 10:02 PM
That would just make a game that is already drug out too much and boring more drug out boring.

Keep batters in the fucking box, and that shaves a shit-ton of time off the game, regardless of using instant replay.

Frazod
06-02-2010, 10:04 PM
Rep.

"Tradition" is the weakest argument of them all.

Evolve, or die.

Other sports have/are evolving.

Shy of making the dumb fucking decision to award HFA in the WS to the winner of the ASG, MLB hasn't made any changes, much less any to better the game.

Yay, Selig! :shake:

Perhaps what happened tonight will get the instant replay ball rolling. If so, at least something good will have come from it.

|Zach|
06-02-2010, 10:06 PM
No, it would make it RIGHT.

The amount of times baseball has really needed instant replay compared to the amount of baseball that is played? It just doesn't make sense to me.

As we can see in the NFL. Instant replay won't stop a few messes from happening every year.

ClevelandBronco
06-02-2010, 10:06 PM
Wow. What a bitch for everyone.

Well, for everyone except all of us who hang out on sports fora.

L.A. Chieffan
06-02-2010, 10:06 PM
something is seriously wrong here...3 perfect games in a MONTH?

put em back on roids, jesus.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 10:07 PM
Yay, Selig! :shake:

Perhaps what happened tonight will get the instant replay ball rolling. If so, at least something good will have come from it.

Don't hold your breath.

If we wanted to have a "Worst Commish in Sports" poll, Selig would win in a fucking landslide, followed by Bettman if people here watched hockey.

AJKCFAN
06-02-2010, 10:07 PM
MLB can overturn this if they want to.

Pine Tar game, Brett's bat was over the limit and they at first didn't give him the HR, but on appeal, it was ruled that the bat didn't break the "spirit of the rules", so they did the right thing, overturned the ump's decision and let the HR count and rightfully so,

A Commish like a Goodell or a Stern would do the same thing and give this kid the perfect game.

But MLB has a douche as a Commish in Selig, so this call will likely stick.

What a f'n travesty....

tk13
06-02-2010, 10:09 PM
something is seriously wrong here...3 perfect games in a MONTH?

put em back on roids, jesus.

That doesn't even include Jimenez' no hitter... and the fact he's putting up Bob Gibson numbers.

ClevelandBronco
06-02-2010, 10:09 PM
Don't hold your breath.

If we wanted to have a "Worst Commish in Sports" poll, Selig would win in a ****ing landslide, followed by Bettman if people here watched hockey.

Bettman has my vote.

ClevelandBronco
06-02-2010, 10:12 PM
MLB can overturn this if they want to.

Pine Tar game, Brett's bat was over the limit and they at first didn't give him the HR, but on appeal, it was ruled that the bat didn't break the "spirit of the rules", so they did the right thing, overturned the ump's decision and let the HR count and rightfully so,

A Commish like a Goodell or a Stern would do the same thing and give this kid the perfect game.

But MLB has a douche as a Commish in Selig, so this call will likely stick.

What a f'n travesty....

If Selig has the power to overturn the call he'd score a PR victory by doing so. I doubt that anyone in Cleveland (including the team) cares.

BigRedChief
06-02-2010, 10:15 PM
That doesn't even include Jimenez' no hitter... and the fact he's putting up Bob Gibson numbers.And when Gibby put up his numbers they lowered the mound the next year.

DJ's left nut
06-02-2010, 10:16 PM
MLB can overturn this if they want to.

Pine Tar game, Brett's bat was over the limit and they at first didn't give him the HR, but on appeal, it was ruled that the bat didn't break the "spirit of the rules", so they did the right thing, overturned the ump's decision and let the HR count and rightfully so,

A Commish like a Goodell or a Stern would do the same thing and give this kid the perfect game.

But MLB has a douche as a Commish in Selig, so this call will likely stick.

What a f'n travesty....

Not the same thing at all.

The 'spirit of the rule' thing was addressing a technicality and essentially chiding Billy Martin. Games played under protest can only be reversed on the basis of a rule violation. Baseball determined that the umpire incorrectly applied the rules there despite excercising accurate judgment (that the pine-tar exceeded the appropriate length).

This, OTOH, is a judgment call. Baseball has said on numerous occasions that judgment calls are not subject to commissioner review. If Selig reversed it, it would be under the 'best interests of the game' power and it would also be astronomically stupid.

You can't just start opening up bad judgment calls to commish review. That line will just keep moving if you do. Hell, the outcome didn't even change. Open this door and within 12 months you'll see some pitcher get screwed on a Ball 4 call that should've been strike 3 to end the game, give up a 2-run HR to the next hitter and lose by one. How do you justify reversing the PG ruling but then not reversing a play that was clearly outcome determinitive.

This game is in the books. The umpire made a bad call, it happens. You do not subject judgment calls to commish review.

As for replay, think of how it could be abused. If a pitcher is in rhythm - demand a replay to ice him. If a pitcher is struggling, same thing but to get a new guy warmed up. Rain coming? Stall to ensure you don't get through 5. Baseball has no timeclock and as such, a replay can be used to gain a purely strategic advantage that isn't found in the other leagues. It would also create far too many delays for a game that already struggles to keep its flow.

Bad calls happen. They happen to both sides. There's no fanbase in all of sports that can point to getting screwed harder by a blown call than the Cardinals and I still don't support the idea.

Frazod
06-02-2010, 10:16 PM
MLB can overturn this if they want to.

Pine Tar game, Brett's bat was over the limit and they at first didn't give him the HR, but on appeal, it was ruled that the bat didn't break the "spirit of the rules", so they did the right thing, overturned the ump's decision and let the HR count and rightfully so,

A Commish like a Goodell or a Stern would do the same thing and give this kid the perfect game.

But MLB has a douche as a Commish in Selig, so this call will likely stick.

What a f'n travesty....

I hope it does get overturned, but even if it does, the kid was robbed of what should have been the greatest moment of his career. Like getting awarded an Olympic gold medal six months later when the person who stood on the podium and got their anthem played was popped for PEDs. Gee, that's nice. Does somebody actually run it over to the winner's house, or send it via FedEx?

What a shitty situation.

BigRedChief
06-02-2010, 10:18 PM
If Selig has the power to overturn the call he'd score a PR victory by doing so. I doubt that anyone in Cleveland (including the team) cares.yeah, I hear them saying they cant because they need to protect the "integrity" of the game by abiding by the results on the field. How about protecting the "integrity" of the game by making it right.

L.A. Chieffan
06-02-2010, 10:20 PM
Not the same thing at all.

The 'spirit of the rule' thing was addressing a technicality and essentially chiding Billy Martin. Games played under protest can only be reversed on the basis of a rule violation. Baseball determined that the umpire incorrectly applied the rules there despite excercising accurate judgment (that the pine-tar exceeded the appropriate length).

This, OTOH, is a judgment call. Baseball has said on numerous occasions that judgment calls are not subject to commissioner review. If Selig reversed it, it would be under the 'best interests of the game' power and it would also be astronomically stupid.

You can't just start opening up bad judgment calls to commish review. That line will just keep moving if you do. Hell, the outcome didn't even change. Open this door and within 12 months you'll see some pitcher get screwed on a Ball 4 call that should've been strike 3 to end the game, give up a 2-run HR to the next hitter and lose by one. How do you justify reversing the PG ruling but then not reversing a play that was clearly outcome determinitive.

This game is in the books. The umpire made a bad call, it happens. You do not subject judgment calls to commish review.

As for replay, think of how it could be abused. If a pitcher is in rhythm - demand a replay to ice him. If a pitcher is struggling, same thing but to get a new guy warmed up. Rain coming? Stall to ensure you don't get through 5. Baseball has no timeclock and as such, a replay can be used to gain a purely strategic advantage that isn't found in the other leagues. It would also create far too many delays for a game that already struggles to keep its flow.

Bad calls happen. They happen to both sides. There's no fanbase in all of sports that can point to getting screwed harder by a blown call than the Cardinals and I still don't support the idea.

I have a solution.
One replay challenge per game. If the challenge fails, all your sunflower seeds will be removed from the dugout for the duration of the game.

petegz28
06-02-2010, 10:23 PM
The Ump has since admitted he blew the call and said he completely understood the team being mad at him. I guess the Ump is a very well liked and respected by the players. He said this was the biggest call of his career and seemed to be remorsful over it all. He said if it were him he would have been up in his face about it too. Ironically the pitcher never said 1 word to the Ump.

I am sure the guy feels like total shit.

Sure-Oz
06-02-2010, 10:33 PM
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God this makes me want to vomit

DJ's left nut
06-02-2010, 10:34 PM
Dude sounds beat to death over this:

http://wxyt.cbslocal.com/2010/06/03/jim-joyce-right-after-he-robbed-armando-galarraga-of-a-perfect-game/

Joyce really is a good umpire and a standup guy. Hate that this happened to him. Angel Hernandez would've been up there calling everyone a motherfucker for questioning him and telling them that they should come out and do it if they think they'd do better.

Really sucks for the guy.

Chiefs Rool
06-02-2010, 10:35 PM
I saw that and it was some bona-fide bullcrap. The ump had to have had some kind of motive to make such a blatant bad call. What a travesty, that pitcher should still get in the record books.

Hound333
06-02-2010, 10:35 PM
While it sucks for the kid, he is getting a huge amount of pub from this. Even with a perfect game 2 weeks from now unless your a hardcore baseball fan you forget his name. He will be remembered for a long long time now buy even casual fans because of the mistake. If I was a TV exec I would try and find a way to televise his next start. There would be better ratings from it for sure.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 10:36 PM
Dude sounds beat to death over this:

http://wxyt.cbslocal.com/2010/06/03/jim-joyce-right-after-he-robbed-armando-galarraga-of-a-perfect-game/

Joyce really is a good umpire and a standup guy. Hate that this happened to him. Angel Hernandez would've been up there calling everyone a motherfucker for questioning him and telling them that they should come out and do it if they think they'd do better.

Really sucks for the guy.

I'm sure he is, and he should be.

Like I said earlier, it would just be a matter of time before Joyce became the victim in this.

Sure-Oz
06-02-2010, 10:38 PM
LOL...so where do you go from here?

Frazod
06-02-2010, 10:40 PM
While it sucks for the kid, he is getting a huge amount of pub from this. Even with a perfect game 2 weeks from now unless your a hardcore baseball fan you forget his name. He will be remembered for a long long time now buy even casual fans because of the mistake. If I was a TV exec I would try and find a way to televise his next start. There would be better ratings from it for sure.

Just watch, in his next start, he'll get shelled for 10 runs. Poor bastard. :shake:

Frazod
06-02-2010, 10:42 PM
BTW, there's a poll on FoxSports.com about instant replay. 86% are in favor of it.

OnTheWarpath58
06-02-2010, 10:43 PM
LOL...so where do you go from here?

Should be interesting, considering Joyce has the plate assignment for tomorrow's game.

luv
06-02-2010, 10:45 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131329056883481

Chiefspants
06-02-2010, 10:45 PM
Just watch, in his next start, he'll get shelled for 10 runs. Poor bastard. :shake:

Nah, if he's playing the royals anytime soon I'm sure he can repeat perfection.

Especially if Greinke's pitching.

Sure-Oz
06-02-2010, 10:47 PM
We all know facebook can come to gargles rescue

DJ's left nut
06-02-2010, 10:47 PM
I'm sure he is, and he should be.

Like I said earlier, it would just be a matter of time before Joyce became the victim in this.

No, he's not a victim. He's a guy that blew a call.

At the same time, he's also a guy that that is known league-wide for his integrity.

He ****ed up, but it wasn't because he was trying to insert himself into the game or had any sinister motives (as people continue to try to say). Joyce is a very good ump that absolutely screwed the pooch on that call. He'll probably be kept off any post-season assignments for it (which sucks because it will be his entire crew and Joyce has a very fair crew w/ Darryl Cousins).

The reason it matters is that knocking out Joyce or his crew only exacerbates the issue. He's one of the better umpires the league has and suspending him just means more games for Hernandez or West or Bucknor, etc...

There are a lot of really shitty umps out there, Joyce isn't one of them. That's worth pointing out.

Sure-Oz
06-02-2010, 10:50 PM
Hey atleast Gargles can celebrate a 1 hitter!1111111111

DJ's left nut
06-02-2010, 10:51 PM
For the record:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/news/2003/07/01/survey/

2003 player survey of umpires lists Joyce as the 2nd best umpire in baseball. Granted, it was awhile ago, but these guys tend to be like SCOTUS justices - the candidates haven't really changed.

Don't ignore the guy's history.

Jayhawkerman2001
06-02-2010, 10:51 PM
you've gotta believe that this is a call joyce will never be able to forget. It will haunt him for the rest of his life and I bet he truthfully feels worthless right now, and will for quite a while

Coach
06-02-2010, 11:00 PM
Hernandez is a shitty ump, no doubt, but I'm surprised that C.B. Buckner's name isn't thrown around as well.
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Mr. Flopnuts
06-02-2010, 11:10 PM
If they changed this, instead of an asterisk next to it they should put a +1.

Thig Lyfe
06-03-2010, 12:00 AM
Halladay's 27th out was similar, and the ump did it the right way: he practically called the out before the ball got there. That's a don't-even-hesitate scenario.

Thig Lyfe
06-03-2010, 12:12 AM
In other words, it's better to call him out and be wrong than to call him safe and be wrong.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-03-2010, 12:56 AM
Again, this is why every sports team and league needs a VP of Common Sense.

The VP of Common Sense says he got the next batter out, the previous batter clearly was out, that baserunner had no material affect on the outcome of the game, therefore, perfection.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-03-2010, 01:08 AM
http://www.sporcle.com/games/TheRealDovecote/WorstUmp

They hit him up quick.

Chocolate Hog
06-03-2010, 01:10 AM
Hamas hasn't made a refrence to the ump who blew the call vs the Royals in the World Series yet has he?

BigRock
06-03-2010, 01:22 AM
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ClevelandBronco
06-03-2010, 01:31 AM
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Well, if he really manages to do what I think be said he wants to do, I think Joyce might actually be able to go fuck himself.

AustinChief
06-03-2010, 03:17 AM
Joyce is a GREAT umpire.. end of story... and this PROVES that even a GREAT ump.. makes mistakes that SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN... all of you that say "it's part of the game" or whatever other useless idiotic argument you may put out there... can suck a bag of dicks... is baseball about the FUCKING game of baseball or is it about umpires??? if the game is about PLAYING THE GOD DAMNED GAME then let's solve this... sorry, but I like watching the players play... not watching whether or not the ump gets it right...

I am a baseball purist.. I support the actual fucking GAME.. not some luddite argument that we need an old man with slow reflexes and bad eyesight (regardless of his skill level) calling something that a computer can do better and more accurately.

I have a fantasy team and will watch baseball to finish out the season.. but I'm done after this if they don't AT LEAST TRY to make this right... reverse the decision... put in instant replay.. ANYTHING.. but if it's status quo.. FUCK THEM.. they deserve to die off as a relevant sport... I'll put them in the same bucket with the NBA and watch college and say the pros have no use to me.

ChiefJustice
06-03-2010, 04:38 AM
There's no reason for umpires to exist in baseball. None.


Wow....just when I thought you couldn't post ANYTHING more idiotic....you manage to surprise me once again.


You have to be some calculating mastermind living in an island fortress bent
on world domination....otherwise,I cannot figure out why you continue with your dumbassery.

ChiefJustice
06-03-2010, 04:43 AM
Joyce is a GREAT umpire.. end of story... and this PROVES that even a GREAT ump.. makes mistakes that SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN... all of you that say "it's part of the game" or whatever other useless idiotic argument you may put out there... can suck a bag of dicks... is baseball about the ****ING game of baseball or is it about umpires??? if the game is about PLAYING THE GOD DAMNED GAME then let's solve this... sorry, but I like watching the players play... not watching whether or not the ump gets it right...

I am a baseball purist.. I support the actual ****ing GAME.. not some luddite argument that we need an old man with slow reflexes and bad eyesight (regardless of his skill level) calling something that a computer can do better and more accurately.

I have a fantasy team and will watch baseball to finish out the season.. but I'm done after this if they don't AT LEAST TRY to make this right... reverse the decision... put in instant replay.. ANYTHING.. but if it's status quo.. **** THEM.. they deserve to die off as a relevant sport... I'll put them in the same bucket with the NBA and watch college and say the pros have no use to me.


Strikes and Steroids

Not saying...just saying.


http://bobsbaseballmuseum.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/mark_mcgwire_jose_canseco.211221132_std.jpg

BigRedChief
06-03-2010, 05:34 AM
Halladay's 27th out was similar, and the ump did it the right way: he practically called the out before the ball got there. That's a don't-even-hesitate scenario.Which was my point that the ump's arrogance and self percieved "intergrity" made him prove he was not biased. I got 20+ years of service, I'm respected etc. That play wasn't even close. It's a perfect game clinching play. Unless its patentely obvious to all he's safe, you call him out.

DaKCMan AP
06-03-2010, 05:35 AM
Unfortunate.

BigRedChief
06-03-2010, 05:39 AM
you've gotta believe that this is a call joyce will never be able to forget. It will haunt him for the rest of his life and I bet he truthfully feels worthless right now, and will for quite a whileBut, who really gives a chit about the ump? Whats about the Detroit fans in the stadium who were cheated out of a special moment? The fans of Detroit? The players? Feel sorry for those people, not the ump. They did nothing wrong and were harmed by a mistake by the ump.

DaKCMan AP
06-03-2010, 05:45 AM
But, who really gives a chit about the ump? Whats about the Detroit fans in the stadium who were cheated out of a special moment? The fans of Detroit? The players? Feel sorry for those people, not the ump. They did nothing wrong and were harmed by a mistake by the ump.

Harmed? Hardly. Deprived of a great moment? Yes. Disappointed? Yes. Made angry? Possibly. But not harmed.

In the end, it's just a damn game.

ChiefJustice
06-03-2010, 05:59 AM
Harmed? Hardly. Deprived of a great moment? Yes. Disappointed? Yes. Made angry? Possibly. But not harmed.

In the end, it's just a damn game.


Really?...Really?

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BigRedChief
06-03-2010, 06:09 AM
Harmed? Hardly. Deprived of a great moment? Yes. Disappointed? Yes. Made angry? Possibly. But not harmed.

In the end, it's just a damn game.okay, harmed may be hyerboyle...:rolleyes:

DaKCMan AP
06-03-2010, 06:10 AM
okay, harmed may be hyperbole...:rolleyes:

;)

Amnorix
06-03-2010, 06:14 AM
It's a real shame. Total travesty. Honestly, I don't see how that ump doesn't resign out of total embarassment.

BryanBusby
06-03-2010, 06:25 AM
If he doesn't out of his own shame, they should force him to. If any of us fucked up by that amount in a huge moment, we'd be out the door in a hurry.

DaKCMan AP
06-03-2010, 06:34 AM
It's a real shame. Total travesty. Honestly, I don't see how that ump doesn't resign out of total embarassment.

We all make mistakes. I doubt he'd ever make that one again.

Deberg_1990
06-03-2010, 06:42 AM
Umpires miss calls. It happens. Nobody feels worse when an umpire misses a call than the umpire himself. They are proud men who strive for a 100 percent success rate and are bound to be disappointed. Upon seeing a replay, Joyce was crushed.

"I just cost that kid a perfect game," the umpired admitted afterward. "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay."



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So if its clearly a bad call, why can MLB just overturn the call??

DaKCMan AP
06-03-2010, 06:45 AM
So if its clearly a bad call, why can MLB just overturn the call??

Bad calls are part of the game? They shouldn't overturn something after wards without installing a replay system into the game, IMO.

Deberg_1990
06-03-2010, 06:48 AM
Bad calls are part of the game? They shouldn't overturn something after wards without installing a replay system into the game, IMO.

WHy not? its clear to the ump and everyone else who watched the replay he was safe and made the wrong call.

Why does MLB have to stick so some antiquated system of rules??

DaKCMan AP
06-03-2010, 07:03 AM
WHy not? its clear to the ump and everyone else who watched the replay he was safe and made the wrong call.

Why does MLB have to stick so some antiquated system of rules??

Because it's MLB? I don't know.

The damage is already done, IMO. The pitcher, the teammates, the fans missed their opportunity to celebrate. Even if corrected it will always be remembered as the perfect game that had to be corrected after the fact.

ChiefJustice
06-03-2010, 07:10 AM
Because it's MLB? I don't know.

The damage is already done, IMO. The pitcher, the teammates, the fans missed their opportunity to celebrate. Even if corrected it will always be remembered as the perfect game that had to be corrected after the fact.


hehe....you are being a little girl about this.

Did you have money riding on this?

Tuck Rule....

/end thread

DaKCMan AP
06-03-2010, 07:16 AM
hehe....you are being a little girl about this.

Did you have money riding on this?

Tuck Rule....

/end thread

Not really. It doesn't upset me either way. Did the ump screw up? Yes. Do I think MLB will correct it? No. Do I care if they do? Not really.

tk13
06-03-2010, 07:23 AM
No sport is going to overturn a judgment call like that, even the NFL. They didn't change a thing when Ed Hochuli cost somebody a game. And that was the difference between a win and loss. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.

The only sport that does anything remotely close is the NHL. If they notice a missed goal down the road they'll bring the game back to the point where the goal was scored and start from there.

ChiefJustice
06-03-2010, 07:28 AM
Not really. It doesn't upset me either way. Did the ump screw up? Yes. Do I think MLB will correct it? No. Do I care if they do? Not really.


Then what is your problem with the call...if you don't care?

RaiderH8r
06-03-2010, 07:29 AM
No sport is going to overturn a judgment call like that, even the NFL. They didn't change a thing when Ed Hochuli cost somebody a game. And that was the difference between a win and loss. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.

The only sport that does anything remotely close is the NHL. If they notice a missed goal down the road they'll bring the game back to the point where the goal was scored and start from there.

No shit. Besides, its Detroit, Obama will be along any minute now to bail this kid out.

Seriousness aside, missed calls happen. How many games went down just like this over the years? Part of what makes it all the more special. Whatever, its baseball. It is an interminable 3 hours already, throw in instant replay and it will take roughly 3 days to finish a game.

DaKCMan AP
06-03-2010, 07:30 AM
Then what is your problem with the call...if you don't care?

What problem are you referring to?

Marcellus
06-03-2010, 07:37 AM
This place cracks me up. Talk about overreaction.

Blown calls have existed from day 1. No telling how much history has been changed by a blown call. It's life. The damn pitcher isn't as pissed as some of the people in this thread.

The real question is what the hell is going on this year in MLB. 19 perfect games in history before this season and there has basically been 3 pitched in the first 2 months of this season.That is a bigger story than the umpire blowing the call IMO.

Deberg_1990
06-03-2010, 07:38 AM
No sport is going to overturn a judgment call like that, even the NFL. They didn't change a thing when Ed Hochuli cost somebody a game. And that was the difference between a win and loss. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.

The only sport that does anything remotely close is the NHL. If they notice a missed goal down the road they'll bring the game back to the point where the goal was scored and start from there.


You right, Nobody likes to admit they made a mistake, but its still wrong.

Its time for one of these leagues to step and do the right thing.

ChiefJustice
06-03-2010, 07:44 AM
What problem are you referring to?


Your blatant lack of awsomeness.

I had high hopes for you.....

Hydrae
06-03-2010, 07:45 AM
I still have not seen the play itself so I can not comment on it. I will say that I am impressed that the pitcher kept his cool enough to get the next guy out. A lot of people would have gotten so rattled and upset that they would not have had the concentration to get that next batter. Sounds like the kid handled this like a true professional.

DaKCMan AP
06-03-2010, 07:56 AM
Your blatant lack of awsomeness.

I had high hopes for you.....

True, I do lack awsomeness. However, I more than make up for it with excess extreme Awesomeness.

Shag
06-03-2010, 08:07 AM
It's amazing how both Joyce and Galarraga handled the situation. Joyce is clearly distraught about the situation, and Galarraga couldn't have been more classy. How often do you see an Umpire apologize to a player, and a player readily accept that apology, and really offer no animosity towards the Ump? Pretty amazing, given the circumstances.

I'm really curious to see how the fans react to Joyce today, given how the aftermath of last nights' situation played out...

|Zach|
06-03-2010, 08:09 AM
Armando Galarraga showed more class in losing his perfect game than Dallas Braden did in completing his.

Frazod
06-03-2010, 08:13 AM
I'm really curious to see how the fans react to Joyce today, given how the aftermath of last nights' situation played out...

Detroit fans? Oh, I'm sure they'll be understanding. LMAO

ChiefJustice
06-03-2010, 08:32 AM
True, I do lack awsomeness. However, I more than make up for it with excess extreme Awesomeness.


I stand corrected.

Short Leash Hootie
06-03-2010, 09:25 AM
That doesn't even include Jimenez' no hitter... and the fact he's putting up Bob Gibson numbers.

this is what I said in the Halladay thread...

players are still swinging for the fences like they did during the roid era...but now they don't have the roids or the amphetamines (energy) and they aren't hitting...

It's not a joke that no one is hitting 50 HR's anymore...

I don't know if it's the roids or the greenies or what...

but something is up

It's a pitchers game again.

MoreLemonPledge
06-03-2010, 09:30 AM
If this gets reversed, it's going to set a huge precedent that Selig will have to answer to every time there's a questionable call.

|Zach|
06-03-2010, 09:31 AM
First reaction at 3:15. Hilarity at 4:00

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Short Leash Hootie
06-03-2010, 09:32 AM
Armando Galarraga showed more class in losing his perfect game than Dallas Braden did in completing his.

what does that mean?

1.) I agree, Galarraga handled that with the MOST class you could ever handle ANYTHING...

but...

Braden was awesome...he gave great interviews and the bond he shared with his grandmother was great...

so I don't understand this post at all

Short Leash Hootie
06-03-2010, 09:32 AM
If this gets reversed, it's going to set a huge precedent that Selig will have to answer to every time there's a questionable call.

Nah...

I don't see it this way...

This is a SPECIAL, SPECIAL circumstance

petegz28
06-03-2010, 09:42 AM
The call should not be reversed. I know that is the "feel good" answer to it all. But practically we cannot have baseball rulings on plays such as this reversed for nothing other than giving a player a notch in a stat column.

It was a raw deal. It was a bad call. St. Louis arguably lost a World Series because of a bad call. This shit happens. The Ump apologized and feels like shit about what he did.

This is actually better for the pitcher in the long run. He has solidified a spot in sports history very few if any others occupy. "A perfect game blown by the call that never should have been." That will stand out more in history than actually throwing a perfect game.

RockChalk
06-03-2010, 09:44 AM
It's amazing how both Joyce and Galarraga handled the situation. Joyce is clearly distraught about the situation, and Galarraga couldn't have been more classy. How often do you see an Umpire apologize to a player, and a player readily accept that apology, and really offer no animosity towards the Ump? Pretty amazing, given the circumstances.

I'm really curious to see how the fans react to Joyce today, given how the aftermath of last nights' situation played out...

Read Joe P's blog. Great reaction to this, as always.

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/

MoreLemonPledge
06-03-2010, 09:45 AM
This is actually better for the pitcher in the long run. He has solidified a spot in sports history very few if any others occupy. "A perfect game blown by the call that never should have been." That will stand out more in history than actually throwing a perfect game.

That's the way I look at it. Yeah, it sucks not to get the perfect game, but this will literally live in infamy for years and years.

InChiefsHell
06-03-2010, 10:01 AM
Read Joe P's blog. Great reaction to this, as always.

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/

Joe Po is hands down one of the greatest sportswriters out there...

Short Leash Hootie
06-03-2010, 10:12 AM
Joe Po is hands down one of the greatest sportswriters out there...

wow...

that was a chilling blog post...

simply amazing

JoPo is awesome.

Micjones
06-03-2010, 11:22 AM
Gallaraga? I loved that game back in the day. Bees and shit flying onto the screen... crazy.

Rep.

ROFL

L.A. Chieffan
06-03-2010, 11:26 AM
First reaction at 3:15. Hilarity at 4:00

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thats troy from west virginia. hes a big dodger and joe beimel fan.

Detoxing
06-03-2010, 11:28 AM
It's going to get reviewed by the MLB and he will get his perfect game back. It's not that big of a deal...jeesh

OleMissCub
06-03-2010, 11:32 AM
It's going to get reviewed by the MLB and he will get his perfect game back. It's not that big of a deal...jeesh

yeah right. mlb won't do anything about it.

Coach
06-03-2010, 12:20 PM
When I saw "Galarraga", I was thinking of Andrés "Big Cat" Galarraga.

allen_kcCard
06-03-2010, 02:09 PM
lol...GM gave him a 2010 corvette convertible today. He deserved it for how he handled the situation, but funny that he got a car for not getting a perfect game and the guys that did get one are probably looking around for their handout.


http://www.examiner.com/x-10697-California-Autos-Examiner~y2010m6d3-Robbed-of-perfect-game-Galarraga-gets-2010-Corvette-convertible

Sfeihc
06-03-2010, 02:18 PM
I am proud of myself for not damaging anything in my house and not driving into town to personally cause harm to Joyce. Damn getting old sucks but it beats the alternative. Go Tigers!

RaiderH8r
06-03-2010, 02:21 PM
It's amazing how both Joyce and Galarraga handled the situation. Joyce is clearly distraught about the situation, and Galarraga couldn't have been more classy. How often do you see an Umpire apologize to a player, and a player readily accept that apology, and really offer no animosity towards the Ump? Pretty amazing, given the circumstances.

I'm really curious to see how the fans react to Joyce today, given how the aftermath of last nights' situation played out...

The behavior and class of Galarraga and Joyce has been an even rarer demonstration of civility in modern society than a perfect game. In retrospect this will serve as an excellent tool to demonstrate how these things should be handled when talking to my boy. This incident is more worthwhile than the perfect game.

DaKCMan AP
06-03-2010, 02:22 PM
The behavior and class of Galarraga and Joyce has been an even rarer demonstration of civility in modern society than a perfect game. In retrospect this will serve as an excellent tool to demonstrate how these things should be handled when talking to my boy. This incident is more worthwhile than the perfect game.

Yes.

OnTheWarpath58
06-03-2010, 06:12 PM
Jesus Fuck.

There must be a fucking force field around the 1st base bag when Jason Donald is at bat.

While it had no bearing on the game, the 1st base ump blew yet ANOTHER call involving Donald in todays Cleveland - Detroit game.

Sorry, just saw it on SportsCenter. No screencaps.

Buck
06-03-2010, 06:18 PM
Armando Gallaraga may well be better known because of this.

We talked about Braden's Perfecto for a couple days, Halladay's for one day, but I have a feeling we'll be talking about Gallaraga's for years.

Frazod
06-03-2010, 06:19 PM
Jesus Fuck.

There must be a fucking force field around the 1st base bag when Jason Donald is at bat.

While it had no bearing on the game, the 1st base ump blew yet ANOTHER call involving Donald in todays Cleveland - Detroit game.

Sorry, just saw it on SportsCenter. No screencaps.

I think if I was him I'd take a lead off first and deliberately let the pitcher throw me out.

Marcellus
06-03-2010, 08:08 PM
Armando Gallaraga may well be better known because of this.

We talked about Braden's Perfecto for a couple days, Halladay's for one day, but I have a feeling we'll be talking about Gallaraga's for years.

You sir are correct. Nobody will talk about the perfect game they didn't watch or care about because it wasn't their team. I heard about the other 2 and was impressed but didn't think much of it except how odd there were 2 in one year.

This one is a different story.

I also think the fact that in reality 3 perfect games have been pitched this year within a 30 day span is a bigger story in itself.