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Radar Chief
06-03-2010, 09:32 AM
Since it’s drag race season and this article always gets my blood pumping.


Unimaginable Acceleration
From the April, 2009 issue of Automobile Magazine
By David E. Davis, Jr.

I once chatted briefly with the late Peter Gregg at a Porsche Club function, and I mentioned that the Mercedes-Benz I was driving that weekend was a lovely road car and a wonderful cruiser, but it lacked really startling acceleration. Peter gave me a sidelong glance and said, "It's been my experience that straight-line acceleration is probably the first aspect of automotive performance that any intelligent driver gets bored with." Ever since that day, probably thirty years ago, his statement has crossed my mind as I nailed the throttle in some Porsche 911 Turbo or Mercedes-Benz S600 and giggled like an idiot.
It crossed my mind again when I received the following e-mail, forwarded from my great friend Mr. William Neely. Bill Neely and I have been enjoying each other's company since I first took over Car and Driver magazine in 1962. Since that time, he has written about a jillion magazine pieces and some three dozen books, including Stand on It, the fictional memoirs of the infamous Stroker Ace, which he cowrote with our mutual friend the late Bob Ottum. Here is the e-mail:

· One Top Fuel dragster's 500-cubic-inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first four rows at the Daytona 500.
· A stock Dodge Hemi V-8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the dragster's supercharger.
· With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ig-nition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.
· At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air-fuel mixture for nitromethane, the flame front temperature measures about 7000 degrees Fahrenheit.
· Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, separated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing heat of the exhaust gases.
· Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.
· Spark plug electrodes can be totally consumed during a single pass. After half-distance, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees Fahrenheit. The engine is shut down by cutting the fuel flow.
· If a spark plug fails early in the run, un-burned nitro can build up in the affected cylinder and explode with sufficient force to blow the cylinder head off in pieces or split the cylinder block in half.
· In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate at an average of more than 4 g's. In order to reach 200 mph before half-distance, the launch acceleration approaches 8 g's. A Top Fuel dragster reaches more than 300 mph before you have completed reading this sentence.
· With a redline that can be as high as 9500 rpm, Top Fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light. Including the burnout, the engine needs to survive only 900 revolutions under load.
· Assuming that all of the equipment is paid off, the crew works gratis, and nothing breaks, each run costs an estimated $1000 per second.
· The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for the quarter-mile (October 5, 2003, Tony Schumacher). The top-speed record is 333.25 mph as measured over the last 66 feet of the quarter-mile (November 9, 2003, Doug Kalitta).
· Putting all of this into perspective: You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter twin-turbo Corvette Z06. More than a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a measured quarter-mile as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the Vette up through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an honest 200 mph. The "tree" goes green for both of you at that moment. The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down, but you hear a brutal whine that sears your eardrums, and within three seconds, the dragster catches you and beats you to the finish line, a quarter-mile from where you just passed him. From a standing start, the dragster spotted you 200 mph and not only caught you but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 feet.

That doesn't sound too excruciatingly boring, now, does it? I called my equally good friend Don Prieto, of the Prietive Group in Torrance, California, to check the facts. He suggested that the business about heat from dragster exhaust igniting the hydrogen in the atmosphere was probably hypothetical.
Prieto then reminded me of a factoid he had passed along in the days of front-engined dragsters. He said, "You know that you're in deep trouble in a dragster if you can suddenly see things clearly. That means the supercharger has been blown off the top of the engine and the raw nitromethane fuel has eaten through your visor."
Prieto has written a terrific history of hot rods called Hot Rod Chronicle, and if anybody can capture all of that, it would be my pal Prieto. The book is beautiful as well as instructive, published by Publications International Ltd. Well worth your attention.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/columns/0403_top_fuel_dragsters/index.html

Marcellus
06-03-2010, 09:37 AM
Good read! :thumb:

MOhillbilly
06-03-2010, 09:41 AM
them drag guys are abit off in the head.

Radar Chief
06-03-2010, 10:03 AM
them drag guys are abit off in the head.

Went camping last weekend with Diesel Mechanic buddy and he was telling me about the time he got to go into the pits when the NHRA visited Heartland Park last summer and how he got to talk to a crew chief for a top fuel team, forget which one. So they talk about the particulars of the engine, Diesel Mechanic buddy drools all over it, then he asks the crew chief if he’s ever driven it and his response was to nearly choke laughing while spitting out, “FUCK NO! You’ve got to be a special kind of crazy to sit behind the wheel of that thing.”
When the guy that builds it says he won’t ride it, “a special kind of crazy” doesn’t really do that type of crazy justice.

PornChief
06-03-2010, 10:12 AM
I miss going to the drags, though I liked the bikes more. anyone remember Elmer Trett? that dude had balls.

MOhillbilly
06-03-2010, 10:24 AM
I miss going to the drags, though I liked the bikes more. anyone remember Elmer Trett? that dude had balls.

when i was a kid id talk to a a local dragbike guy at the bolt & screw shop i worked at. He was brothers with some of the guys who worked there so they would hook him up w/ whatever he needed. Mostly ultra light aluminum bolts,caps,ect.

He was the kinda guy that seemed to have ice in his veins.

Dayze
06-03-2010, 10:28 AM
i like watching the slo-mo replays near the finish line when the rear tires are attempting to roll over themselves/ vertically flat at the rear of the tire.

my brother also said on top fuel dragsters the fram flexes /bows up something like 12" (not sure of the exact measurement, but I remember being floored when hearing it) at take off/throughout the run.

top fuelers are also started when regular gasoline I think; and I think they do their burnouts on gas - then before the run switch to nitromethane.

I've never been to NHRA, but last year my brother and I went to an ADRL race at Heartland Park..the cars were LOUD; I couldn't believe it. Then, just when I thought it was 'loud', I heard a pro-extreme start up. We were sitting just behind the burnout/water area. I heard it start up and thought 'whoa'... Then, my brother looked at me and said "Just wait until they take off". they took off, and even with my ears plugged, i had a tickling feeling down in my jaw from the noise. awesome.

He then informed me that nitromethan/Top fuel etc is even 'louder' than that. JFC>

Radar Chief
06-03-2010, 10:41 AM
I miss going to the drags, though I liked the bikes more. anyone remember Elmer Trett? that dude had balls.

Oh yea, Elmer Trett was a bad MF.
Too bad he didn’t live long enough to see McBride break into the 5’s. I think that would’ve made him smile, even if he never quite got there himself.

Lzen
06-03-2010, 10:42 AM
Cool read.

Dayze, I, too, was at that ADRL event last year at Heartland Park. Funny thing is that I have lived here all my life and that was the first time I ever attended a drag race. It was pretty cool.

Dayze
06-03-2010, 10:46 AM
Cool read.

Dayze, I, too, was at that ADRL event last year at Heartland Park. Funny thing is that I have lived here all my life and that was the first time I ever attended a drag race. It was pretty cool.

me too.

I want to see if my brother will want to go again this year; I think it's Jul 2-3. I think last year we went on the testing day, if I recall. or maybe testing & qualifying? we got in free since he works for ProCharger (hell, it might have been free in general, I dunno), so they had a booth set up with a few of their cars etc.

Lzen
06-03-2010, 11:25 AM
me too.

I want to see if my brother will want to go again this year; I think it's Jul 2-3. I think last year we went on the testing day, if I recall. or maybe testing & qualifying? we got in free since he works for ProCharger (hell, it might have been free in general, I dunno), so they had a booth set up with a few of their cars etc.

Yeah, I think that league was trying to get exposure so a bunch of people ended up with free tix. That's why I went.

HemiEd
06-03-2010, 11:29 AM
them drag guys are abit off in the head.

ROFL That is so funny coming from you! How is the tooth doing?

HemiEd
06-03-2010, 11:35 AM
top fuelers are also started when regular gasoline I think; and I think they do their burnouts on gas - then before the run switch to nitromethane.

I've never been to NHRA, but last year my brother and I went to an ADRL race at Heartland Park..the cars were LOUD; I couldn't believe it. Then, just when I thought it was 'loud', I heard a pro-extreme start up. We were sitting just behind the burnout/water area. I heard it start up and thought 'whoa'... Then, my brother looked at me and said "Just wait until they take off". they took off, and even with my ears plugged, i had a tickling feeling down in my jaw from the noise. awesome.

He then informed me that nitromethan/Top fuel etc is even 'louder' than that. JFC>
They actually start them and run on alcohol and usually only have one mag live for the burnouts.
You can feel them thump your chest when they leave.

allen_kcCard
06-03-2010, 12:06 PM
Here are more of the facts I found trying to answer a question I had....how many gears do those things have, and how in the world can you shift when the engines seem to just go balls out for 4-5 seconds...just by ramming the gears at certain RPM windwos?


Some real cool facts about top fuel dragsters I stumbled across.....

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* One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more horsepower then the first 8 rows at Daytona.

* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1 1/2 gallons of nitro per second, the same rate of fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747 but with 4 times the energy volume.

* The supercharger takes more power to drive than a stock hemi makes.

* Even with nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into nearly-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.

* Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

* At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture (for nitro), the flame front of nitromethane measures 7050 degrees F.

* Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression-plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting off its fuel flow.

* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in those cylinders and then explodes with a force that can blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or blow the block in half.

* Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20 degrees in the big end of the track) that sometimes cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to re-phase the valve timing somewhere closer to synchronization with the pistons.

* To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. But in reaching 200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is closer to 8G's.

* If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs $1000.00 per second.

* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have read this sentence.

Did you know …

… that the nitromethane-powered engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars produce approximately 7,000 horsepower, about 37 times that of the average street car?

… that one cylinder of the eight cylinders of a Top Fuel dragster or a Funny Car produces 750 horsepower, equaling the entire horsepower output of a NASCAR engine?

… that the gasoline-powered engines of NHRA Pro Stock cars produce about 1,200 horsepower, about eight times that of the average street car?

… that an NHRA Top Fuel dragster accelerates from 0 to 100 mph in less than .8-second, almost 11 seconds quicker than it takes a production Porsche 911 Turbo to reach the same speed?

… that an NHRA Top Fuel dragster leaves the starting line with a force nearly five times that of gravity, the same force of the space shuttle when it leaves the launching pad at Cape Canaveral?

… that an NHRA Funny Car is slowed by a reverse force more than seven times that of gravity when both parachutes deploy simultaneously?

… that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars consume between four and five gallons of fuel during a quarter-mile run, which is equivalent to between 16 and 20 gallons per mile?

… that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars use between 10 and 12 gallons of fuel for a complete pass, including the burnout, backup to the starting line, and quarter-mile run?

… that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars travel the length of more than four football fields in less than five seconds?

… that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters can exceed 280 mph in just 660 feet?

… that from a standing start, NHRA Top Fuel dragsters accelerate faster than a jumbo jet, a fighter jet, and a Formula One race car?

… that a fuel pump for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster and Funny Car delivers 65 gallons of fuel per minute, equivalent to eight bathroom showers running at the same time?

… that the fuel-line pressure for NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars is between 400 and 500 pounds, about 20 times greater than the pressure on passenger-car fuel pumps?

… that depending on size and angle, the large rear wing on an NHRA Top Fuel dragster develops between 4,000 and 8,000 pounds of downforce?

… that the 17-inch rear tires used on NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars wear out after four to six runs, or about two miles? Some brands of passenger-car tires are guaranteed for 80,000 miles.

… that it takes just 15/100ths of a second for all 7,000 horsepower of an NHRA Top Fuel dragster engine to reach the rear wheels?

… that it's desirable for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster to race with its front wheels inches off the ground for about the first 200 feet of the run? This ensures proper weight transfer to the rear wheels, a crucial part of a good launch and quick run.

… that the nitromethane used to power the engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars costs about $30 per gallon?

Sources: NHRA Communications and Technical Departments, NHRA race teams, motorsports equipment manufacturers (and boostedpimp)

Dayze
06-03-2010, 12:08 PM
wanna see a fuel pump/injector of just one cylinder of a top fuel car?

first is at idle; then it goes as though it's being run..:eek:

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Dayze
06-03-2010, 12:09 PM
Here are more of the facts I found trying to answer a question I had....how many gears do those things have, and how in the world can you shift when the engines seem to just go balls out for 4-5 seconds...just by ramming the gears at certain RPM windwos?


top fuel dragsters and funny cars are typically just 2 gears I believe.


prostock (my favorite) is like 5 speed.

38yrsfan
06-03-2010, 01:55 PM
Brief but very fast action watching them ......

Worst crash I ever saw was at the Grand Nationals - total disintegration, end over end as it kept getting smaller, luckily not much fuel onboard so very little flame - the guy had to be extracted but was "ok".

Radar Chief
06-03-2010, 03:22 PM
top fuel dragsters and funny cars are typically just 2 gears I believe.


prostock (my favorite) is like 5 speed.

Is it two or just one, with a computer controlling clutch engagement?

Rain Man
06-03-2010, 08:24 PM
I'm not a car guy, but even I understand that that's pretty amazing. I liked the Corvette example.

Dayze
06-03-2010, 10:23 PM
Is it two or just one, with a computer controlling clutch engagement?

:hmmm:

good point..........makes me wonder.

PornChief
06-04-2010, 12:36 AM
when i was a kid id talk to a a local dragbike guy at the bolt & screw shop i worked at. He was brothers with some of the guys who worked there so they would hook him up w/ whatever he needed. Mostly ultra light aluminum bolts,caps,ect.

He was the kinda guy that seemed to have ice in his veins.

Oh yea, Elmer Trett was a bad MF.
Too bad he didn’t live long enough to see McBride break into the 5’s. I think that would’ve made him smile, even if he never quite got there himself.

he was the first to hit 200mph in Australia, my friends and I was into bikes a bit back then and he made a huge impression on aussie racers. old story I heard is he built his first real drag bike by spending 3 days and 100's of hacksaw blades sawing thru old railway locomotive axles to use as cylinder heads on a harley engine. dunno how true that is but he's well known to bike riders all over the world it seems.

Radar Chief
06-04-2010, 08:54 AM
http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/articlefiles/010510_youngblood.jpg

Some Elmer Trett reading at Dragbike.com if anyone is interested.

http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=5450&z=2

Radar Chief
06-04-2010, 08:58 AM
he was the first to hit 200mph in Australia, my friends and I was into bikes a bit back then and he made a huge impression on aussie racers. old story I heard is he built his first real drag bike by spending 3 days and 100's of hacksaw blades sawing thru old railway locomotive axles to use as cylinder heads on a harley engine. dunno how true that is but he's well known to bike riders all over the world it seems.

Besides being the grandfather of modern drag bike racing Elmer is mostly known over here for his twin Harley engine Mountain Magic drag bike.

http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/articlefiles/010510_trett_Daddy-Zeus.jpg

Never heard of the railroad axle story, not even sure how that would work.

Radar Chief
06-04-2010, 09:30 AM
:hmmm:

good point..........makes me wonder.

Here we go, found this at nhra.net under Funny Cars.

Funny Car
Similar to their Top Fuel counterparts but with a shorter wheelbase and a carbon-fiber body that loosely resembles a production-based automobile, Funny Cars routinely run in the 4.7-second range and are capable of speeds in excess of 330 mph. Funny Cars are powered by the same supercharged and fuel-injected 500-inch engines as Top Fuel dragsters. Funny Cars are also similar to Top Fuel dragsters in that they do not use a transmission but rather transmit power to the huge Goodyear rear slicks through a multistage clutch assembly that is activated by timers.

PornChief
06-04-2010, 09:51 AM
Besides being the grandfather of modern drag bike racing Elmer is mostly known over here for his twin Harley engine Mountain Magic drag bike.

http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/articlefiles/010510_trett_Daddy-Zeus.jpg

Never heard of the railroad axle story, not even sure how that would work.

i dunno how the railroad axles would work either, but that's what was said in Ozbike, a aussie easyriders type biker mag that came out in the 80's, think it was cylinder bores cause he kept blowing holes in the ones available at the time, or they made it up which wouldn't surprise me the least since the mag wasn't exactly known for it's high quality writing, most articles were fart/ racist/ general bad taste jokes, rants against the cops or interviews with people your mother warned you about. They did show that twin sportster engined bike a couple of times at least.
I went and looked up Elmer and was pretty surprised he don't even have a wiki page though there's quite a bit on him in various drag racing sites it seems.

Dayze
06-04-2010, 09:53 AM
Here we go, found this at nhra.net under Funny Cars.

:thumb:

I guess that's one reason for the stacks of clutch plates all over the pit areas after each run lol.

apparently one and done.

Radar Chief
06-04-2010, 11:33 AM
:thumb:

I guess that's one reason for the stacks of clutch plates all over the pit areas after each run lol.

apparently one and done.

When I was stationed in Germany, late ‘80’s to early ‘90’s, I remember Gene Snow being the first to hit 300 MPH trap speed. Then when I returned to the states suddenly everyone in NHRA was hitting 300 or they weren’t competitive. The difference, I would learn, was the transmission being used.
Reading this article, it makes sense. By eliminating the need to change gears a whole bunch of parasitic power loss is also eliminated.

No. 26: Gene Snow
In addition to being among the select group of drag racers whose careers have spanned five decades, Gene "the Snowman" Snow will remain in the history books as the first Funny Car driver to break the 200-mph barrier with a 200.88 clocking on Aug. 17, 1968, and the first Top Fuel driver to break the four-second barrier at an NHRA national event Oct. 6, 1988.
Racing during an era in the mid-1960s when most competitors relied on production automotive-type automatic transmissions, Snow pioneered the use of a direct-drive arrangement for his Funny Car, a configuration that is still used today, thanks largely to the second generation of pioneering he did in the late 1980s
Snow originally had planned to make a living as an electrical engineer, but he left the University of Texas in Arlington after three years to sell used cars.
"I did that because I could make more money [selling used cars] than what engineers were making at General Dynamics," said Snow.
After forming a partnership with L.G. Melton in his hometown of Fort Worth, Texas, Snow began racing cars from his car lot to promote sales. "Everybody talks about winning on Sunday and selling on Monday, and that's what I did," said Snow. "I would win a race with a dealership car on Sunday and usually sold the winning entry the next day."
Snow decided to take the sport more seriously and began racing with a 348-cid '58 Chevy Impala and then with a new Chevy 409 in 1962, which was replaced midseason with a 413-cid '62 Plymouth Sport Fury that led to his series of Rambunctious Chrysler entries.
After running a '63 Max Wedge 426-cid Dodge and a '64 426 Hemi Dodge, Snow began racing against Funny Cars in 1965 with an altered-wheelbase Dodge Dart, which was built by Don Hardy.
In 1966, the chassis was lengthened to improve its handling capabilities, and its enhanced performance enabled Snow to win several eliminator titles in NHRA national event competition. Because the Funny Cars were yet to be officially recognized by NHRA, Snow's Dart ran as a C/Fuel Dragster in Comp, which he won with a 9.04 run at the 1966 Nationals. In 1967, Snow repeated his triumph in Indianapolis with an 8.67 run in the newly created Super Eliminator class.
In 1968, Snow switched to gasoline and won B/Altered class and Comp at that year's Winternationals, before moving on to a supercharged '68 Dodge Dart that quickly gave way to the aerodynamically-superior '68 Dodge Charger body.
It was with this machine that Snow abandoned the conventional automatic transmission, which could not handle the increased horsepower, in favor of a direct-drive arrangement.
"We worked with Crower to come up with a four-disc Crowerglide centrifugal clutch," said Snow. "Though it was sluggish off the line, it would mow down the automatic cars, which always nosed-over at about 185 mph."
Snow had been running in the mid-190s on a regular basis, when he attended a race at Don and Carl Gay's track in Dickinson, Texas. "The sea level location gave us extra horsepower, and we went 200.88 mph on the first pass," said Snow. "I didn't think it such a big deal at the time, but we kept running more than 200 mph at just about every race after that."
That fall, Snow went 205.46 mph at Orange County Int'l Raceway and later broke the 210-mph barrier with a 213.78-mph clocking in September 1969.
In 1970, Snow picked up the pace with a new Dodge Challenger that debuted with a runner-up finish at the Winternationals against Leroy Goldstein in the Ramchargers car. Snow went on to win three NHRA national events in four final-round appearances. The streak included a runner-up at the Springnationals and wins at the Summernationals, World Finals, and Supernationals.
Snow's 7.23, 208.71-mph run at the Dallas Int'l Motor Speedway-based Springnationals on May 3 was the first 200-mph run in NHRA Funny Car competition. He also won three AHRA Grand American Series events, the AHRA Points Championship, and the AHRA Driver of the Year award. He conclude the year with a best run of 6.76, 218.44 at Lions Dragstrip. "We carried a spare motor the whole year and never had to use it," said Snow. "It was an extraordinary deal."
In 1971, Snow fielded one of the first multicar teams in the sport, running a pair of mini-Chargers with longtime crew chief Jake Johnston as the other driver. Highlights of the season included the Super Stock Magazine Championships in York, Pa., a runner-up finish at the Summernationals, a win at the OCIR All Pro Series, and a Drag News Driver of the Year award.
Snow began running under the Revell Snowman colors in 1972 to promote the 1/16th-scale kit produced by the popular model manufacturer.
Snow and Johnston continued driving Funny Cars, and the team expanded to include a Top Fueler driven by Chip Woodall, an injected Funny Car piloted by Terry Pringle, and an experimental turbocharged Funny Car.
In 1972, Woodall won the Springnationals, but a highway accident destroyed the Top Fueler, and by 1973, Snow had cut back to a pair of cars.
Snow experimented with a Vega body in 1974 and won the NHRA Springnationals and IHRA U.S. Open Nationals, but went back to Mopar the following season.
The combination of subpar seasons and the gas crisis of the 1970s forced Snow out of racing at the end of the 1978 season, but he came back to run in Top Fuel in 1981. "At the time, I figured this would be my last stint in racing, so I decided to do it in the quickest and fastest category," Snow said.
From 1983 to 1991, Snow finished in the NHRA Top 10 in nine consecutive seasons, and again pioneered advances in drivetrain technology by working with Bob Brooks at AFT on a direct-drive arrangement for Top Fuel.
At the 1988 Supernationals at Houston Raceway Park, Snow's 4.997 clocking was the first four-second run at an NHRA national event. He finished the year with five of the 10 quickest runs in 1988 and his second consecutive IHRA Top Fuel championship.
His most recent NHRA title took place at the 1989 Cajun Nationals, but he also produced two runner-up finishes in 1990 and three more in 1991, before retiring from the ranks following a crash at the 1992 Chief Auto Parts Nationals in Dallas.
Snow returned to the sport in 1997 with an A/Fuel Dragster that he campaigns, as he tells it, "on a hobby basis," concentrating primarily on Division 4 points races and national events conducted in Houston and Dallas. -- John Jodauga

http://www.nhra.net/50th/top50/G_Snow26.html

Radar Chief
06-04-2010, 11:34 AM
i dunno how the railroad axles would work either, but that's what was said in Ozbike, a aussie easyriders type biker mag that came out in the 80's, think it was cylinder bores cause he kept blowing holes in the ones available at the time, or they made it up which wouldn't surprise me the least since the mag wasn't exactly known for it's high quality writing, most articles were fart/ racist/ general bad taste jokes, rants against the cops or interviews with people your mother warned you about. They did show that twin sportster engined bike a couple of times at least.
I went and looked up Elmer and was pretty surprised he don't even have a wiki page though there's quite a bit on him in various drag racing sites it seems.

Makes for a good story though. :thumb:

MOhillbilly
06-04-2010, 11:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRvBrHT45m8

this is frog. good dude.

Demonpenz
06-04-2010, 01:08 PM
I've seen some drag racers down at Buddies.

MOhillbilly
06-04-2010, 01:09 PM
I've seen some drag racers down at Buddies.

is that code? cause it sure sounds like code.

Radar Chief
06-04-2010, 02:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRvBrHT45m8

this is frog. good dude.

:thumb:

Demonpenz
06-04-2010, 04:13 PM
is that code? cause it sure sounds like code.

Buddies is a gay bar on main street here in KC. Actually it seems like a "tough" bar for gays. Weird I know. Like for gays who don't dance, just drink or something.

Radar Chief
06-04-2010, 04:14 PM
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Pants
06-04-2010, 04:19 PM
If you don't shift, where does the skill come into play? Genuinely wondering.

Radar Chief
06-04-2010, 04:19 PM
Check out the slow motion on this one. His car literally jumps in the air as he peddles the throttle trying to get some grip.

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Demonpenz
06-04-2010, 04:20 PM
If you don't shift, where does the skill come into play? Genuinely wondering.

the skill is in the reaction time and your pit crew to get the car dialed in right from the weather and track conditions. Much like the luge in the olympics it seems more like a ride and not skill

Demonpenz
06-04-2010, 04:21 PM
you have to have "staging" there are some mind games going on there as well

Radar Chief
06-04-2010, 04:21 PM
If you don't shift, where does the skill come into play? Genuinely wondering.

Keeping it hooked up and going straight down the track. And reaction time, of course.
They make it all look a lot easier than it really is.

Pants
06-04-2010, 04:22 PM
They make it all look a lot easier than it really is.

I have no doubts about that.

HemiEd
06-04-2010, 04:24 PM
Is it two or just one, with a computer controlling clutch engagement?

It is just one, and they outlawed the computer/solenoid assisted clutch engagement many years ago.

If you don't shift, where does the skill come into play? Genuinely wondering.
Holding onto one of these things, with all those Gs pulling on you, making split second decisions on whether you can drive out of the tire shake, peddaling it to regain traction, or just abort the run to save parts. It has to become a reaction from experience.

JD10367
06-04-2010, 09:42 PM
My Smart car goes from 0 to 60 in around 12 seconds. With a tailwind. :D But I wish I had this guy's...

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