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HonestChieffan
06-03-2010, 05:08 PM
Certainly not news to those in the worst areas for illegals but worth understanding these organizations foment the divides and live off it no different than other groups who seek to divide the country.


The Truth About 'La Raza'
by Rep. Charlie Norwood



The nation's television screens many days recently have been filled with scenes of huge crowds carrying the colorful green and red flag of Mexico viewers could well have thought it was a national holiday in Mexico City.

It was instead, downtown Los Angeles, Calif., although the scene was recreated in numerous other cities around the country with substantial Mexican populations. Hordes of Mexican expatriates, many here illegally, were protesting the very U.S. immigration laws they were violating with impunity. They found it offensive and a violation of their rights that the U.S. dared to have immigration laws to begin with.

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa mounted the podium, but any hopes that he would quiet the crowds and defend the law were soon dashed. Villaraigosa, himself, has spent a lifetime opposing U.S. immigration law.


For law-abiding Americans without knowledge of the dark side of our current illegal immigration crisis, all this is unfathomable. For those who know the truth about the "La Raza" movement, these demonstrations were a prophecy fulfilled.

It is past time for all Americans to know what is at the root of this outrageous behavior, and the extent to which the nation is at risk because of "La Raza" -- The Race.

There are many immigrant groups joined in the overall "La Raza" movement. The most prominent and mainstream organization is the National Council de La Raza -- the Council of "The Race".

To most of the mainstream media, most members of Congress, and even many of their own members, the National Council of La Raza is no more than a Hispanic Rotary Club.

But the National Council of La Raza succeeded in raking in over $15.2 million in federal grants last year alone, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools, and undisclosed amounts were for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions.

The Council of La Raza succeeded in having itself added to congressional hearings by Republican House and Senate leaders. And an anonymous senator even gave the Council of La Raza an extra $4 million in earmarked taxpayer money, supposedly for "housing reform," while La Raza continues to lobby the Senate for virtual open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.


Radical 'Reconquista' Agenda

Behind the respectable front of the National Council of La Raza lies the real agenda of the La Raza movement, the agenda that led to those thousands of illegal immigrants in the streets of American cities, waving Mexican flags, brazenly defying our laws, and demanding concessions.

Key among the secondary organizations is the radical racist group Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.

One of America's greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only, in our national loyalties.

This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

"Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we...should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot...Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas ... It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny." (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)

MEChA isn't at all shy about their goals, or their views of other races. Their founding principles are contained in these words in "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan" (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan):

"In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. ... Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. ... We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."

That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: "For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing."

If these morally sickening MEChA quotes were coming from some fringe website, Americans could at least console themselves that it was just a small group of nuts behind it. Nearly every racial and ethnic group has some shady characters and positions in its past and some unbalanced individuals today claiming racial superiority and demanding separatism. But this is coming straight from the official MEChA sites at Georgetown University, the University of Texas, UCLA, University of Michigan, University of Colorado, University of Oregon, and many other colleges and universities around the country.

MEChA was in fact reported to be one of the main organizers of those street demonstrations we witnessed over the past weeks. That helps explain why those hordes of illegal immigrants weren't asking for amnesty -- they were demanding an end to U.S. law, period. Unlike past waves of immigrants who sought to become responsible members of American society, these protesters reject American society altogether, because they have been taught that America rightfully belongs to them.

MEChA and the La Raza movement teach that Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington State make up an area known as "Aztlan" -- a fictional ancestral homeland of the Aztecs before Europeans arrived in North America. As such, it belongs to the followers of MEChA. These are all areas America should surrender to "La Raza" once enough immigrants, legal or illegal, enter to claim a majority, as in Los Angeles. The current borders of the United States will simply be extinguished.

This plan is what is referred to as the "Reconquista" or reconquest, of the Western U.S.

But it won't end with territorial occupation and secession. The final plan for the La Raza movement includes the ethnic cleansing of Americans of European, African, and Asian descent out of "Aztlan."

As Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge's MEChA chapter has been quoted as saying: "The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan. Communism would be closest [to it]. Once Aztlan is established, ethnic cleansing would commence: Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled -- opposition groups would be quashed because you have to keep power."

MEChA Plants

Members of these radical, anti-American, racist organizations are frequently smoothly polished into public respectability by the National Council of La Raza.

Former MEChA members include Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was officially endorsed by La Raza for mayor and was awarded La Raza's Graciela Olivarez Award. Now we know why he refuses to condemn a sea of foreign flags in his city. California Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante is also a former MEChA member. He delivered the keynote address at La Raza's 2002 Annual Convention.

The National Council of La Raza and its allies in public office make no repudiation of the radical MEChA and its positions. In fact, as recently as 2003, La Raza was actively funding MEChA, according to federal tax records.

Imagine Robert Byrd's refusing to disavow the views of the KKK, or if Strom Thurmond had failed to admit segregation was wrong. Imagine Heritage or Brookings Foundation making grants to the American Nazi Party.

Is the National Council of La Raza itself a racist organization? Regardless of the organization's suspect ties, the majority of its members are not. When one examines all the organization's activities, they are commendable non-profit projects, such as education and housing programs.

But even these defensible efforts raise the question of whether education and housing programs funded with federal tax dollars should be used in programs specifically targeted to benefit just one ethnic group.

La Raza defenders usually respond by calling anyone making these allegations "a racist" for having called attention to La Raza's racist links. All the groups and public officials with ties to the La Raza movement can take a big step towards disproving these allegations by simply following the examples of Senators Byrd and Thurmond and repenting of their past ways.

If they are unwilling to admit past misdeeds, they can at least state -- unequivocally -- that they officially oppose the racist and anti-American positions of MEChA, and any other groups that espouse similar views.

Through public appearances, written statements, and on their respective websites, La Raza groups and allies must:

1. Denounce the motto "For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada," as repugnant, racist, and totally incompatible with American society or citizenship.

2. Acknowledge the right of all Americans to live wherever they choose in the U.S. without segregation.

3. Commit to sponsorship of nationwide educational programs to combat racism and anti-Semitism in the Hispanic community.

4. Denounce and sever all ties with MEChA and any other organizations with which they have ever been associated which held to the racist doctrines held by MEChA.

5. Acknowledge the internationally recognized borders of the U.S., the right of the citizens of the U.S. to determine immigration policy through the democratic process, and the right of the U.S. to undertake any and all necessary steps to effectively enforce immigration law and defend its border against unauthorized entry.

6. Repudiate all claims that current American territory rightfully belongs to Mexico.

If the National Council of La Raza, other La Raza groups, and local and national political leaders with past ties and associations with the radical elements of the La Raza movement can publicly issue such a statement and live by every one of these principles, they should be welcomed into the American public policy arena, with past sins -- real or imaginary -- forgiven.

If they cannot publicly and fully support these principles, Congress needs to take appropriate steps and immediately bar any group refusing to comply from receiving any future federal funds. Both the House and Senate should strike these groups from testifying before any committees, and the White House should sever all ties. Both political parties should disengage from any further contact with these groups and individuals.

There are plenty of decent, patriotic Hispanic organizations and elected officials to provide Congress with necessary feedback on specific issues confronting Americans of Latino heritage. Any group or individual who can agree with the simple six points should be welcomed into that fold.

If not, the American people will know there's a wolf in their midst, and take the necessary precautions to defend our Republic against an enemy.

Mr. Norwood, a Republican, represents the 9th District of Georgia.

HC_Chief
06-03-2010, 05:14 PM
Screw it, I say we annex Mexico and add 31 stars to our flag. :D

ClevelandBronco
06-03-2010, 05:17 PM
Screw it, I say we annex Mexico and add 31 stars to our flag. :D

What do they have that we could possibly want? Well, except for legal fucking Mexicans...

HC_Chief
06-03-2010, 05:20 PM
What do they have that we could possibly want? Well, except for legal ****ing Mexicans...

Silver, gold, oil, and vast amounts of the best tequilla.

And great beaches. Unfortunately the beaches are often surrounded by absolute hovels. this, due to an even more corrupt government than ours.

ClevelandBronco
06-03-2010, 05:22 PM
Silver, gold, oil, and vast amounts of the best tequilla.

And great beaches. Unfortunately the beaches are often surrounded by absolute hovels. this, due to an even more corrupt government than ours.

We already have all that. And once our laws applied, we quickly see less mining and drilling.

vailpass
06-03-2010, 05:25 PM
What do they have that we could possibly want? Well, except for legal ****ing Mexicans...

Lots of beautiful spots in Mexico, oil, minerals, etc. I've said before put Texas in charge of mexico and give the US military any-means necessary power to clean out all the drug cartels. Let Texas run it like a for-profit business and you'll see mexico in the green and producing like it never has or will under mexican rule.

ClevelandBronco
06-03-2010, 05:30 PM
Lots of beautiful spots in Mexico, oil, minerals, etc. I've said before put Texas in charge of mexico and give the US military any-means necessary power to clean out all the drug cartels. Let Texas run it like a for-profit business and you'll see mexico in the green and producing like it never has or will under mexican rule.

Okay. As long as it can be run in a way that's impossible.

HC_Chief
06-03-2010, 05:31 PM
Lots of beautiful spots in Mexico, oil, minerals, etc. I've said before put Texas in charge of mexico and give the US military any-means necessary power to clean out all the drug cartels. Let Texas run it like a for-profit business and you'll see mexico in the green and producing like it never has or will under mexican rule.

Ha! I like that idea.... but do you realize the consequences of what that would do to the already bloated egos of many Texans? :D

I must admit however, that would make Mexico the greatest vacation spot in the world in a decade (possibly less).

vailpass
06-03-2010, 05:33 PM
Okay. As long as it can be run in a way that's impossible.

I don't understand?

HonestChieffan
06-03-2010, 05:35 PM
Good from Mexico?

If you never had this its great but best actually in Mexico where they can get a tiny little red pepper that grows wild. I had it on a ranch a year ago in Sonora. This isnt bad..Chile Colorado
Ingredients

9 New Mexico dry chiles - washed, with stems and seeds removed
3 cups water
5 pounds boneless beef chuck roast, trimmed of fat
1/2 cup all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon kosher salt
1 tablespoon black pepper
3 tablespoons olive oil
1 large yellow onion, chopped
2 cups beef stock or water


Directions

Place chiles and 3 cups water into a medium stockpot, and bring to a boil. Remove from heat and steep for 30 minutes to soften. Strain into a bowl, reserving the cooking liquid. Place the chiles and some of the liquid into a blender, and puree until smooth. Add more liquid as necessary to form a smooth sauce. Pass sauce through a fine mesh strainer to remove any seeds and the tough skins; set aside.
Cut the roast into 1 to 2 inch chunks. In a medium bowl, combine flour, salt, and pepper. Dredge the beef chunks in the seasoned flour; set aside.
Heat olive oil in a large pot over medium heat. Saute onion until tender and translucent, about 5 minutes. Add beef chunks a few at a time, so as not to overcrowd the pot, and cook until evenly brown. Remove cooked meat, and continue browning remaining meat. Return reserved cooked meat to the pot. Stir in pureed chile mixture. Add beef stock to just cover beef chunks, or to personal preference. Bring to a boil over medium heat. Reduce heat to lowest setting, and simmer for 3 hours, or until meat is tender. If necessary, adjust with more stock during cooking.

ClevelandBronco
06-03-2010, 05:36 PM
I don't understand?

What's to understand? You weren't serious, were you?

vailpass
06-03-2010, 05:39 PM
What's to understand? You weren't serious, were you?

Serious in that we would nationalize mexico? No, I don't see that happening.

Serious in that if the US were given mexico to run as we please with no restraints on military intervention or capatalistic implementations we could accomplish much more with the existing resources than the mexican government ever has or ever will? Absolutely.

ClevelandBronco
06-03-2010, 05:41 PM
Good from Mexico?

If you never had this its great but best actually in Mexico where they can get a tiny little red pepper that grows wild. I had it on a ranch a year ago in Sonora. This isnt bad..Chile Colorado
Ingredients

9 New Mexico dry chiles - washed, with stems and seeds removed
3 cups water
5 pounds boneless beef chuck roast, trimmed of fat
1/2 cup all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon kosher salt
1 tablespoon black pepper
3 tablespoons olive oil
1 large yellow onion, chopped
2 cups beef stock or water


Directions

Place chiles and 3 cups water into a medium stockpot, and bring to a boil. Remove from heat and steep for 30 minutes to soften. Strain into a bowl, reserving the cooking liquid. Place the chiles and some of the liquid into a blender, and puree until smooth. Add more liquid as necessary to form a smooth sauce. Pass sauce through a fine mesh strainer to remove any seeds and the tough skins; set aside.
Cut the roast into 1 to 2 inch chunks. In a medium bowl, combine flour, salt, and pepper. Dredge the beef chunks in the seasoned flour; set aside.
Heat olive oil in a large pot over medium heat. Saute onion until tender and translucent, about 5 minutes. Add beef chunks a few at a time, so as not to overcrowd the pot, and cook until evenly brown. Remove cooked meat, and continue browning remaining meat. Return reserved cooked meat to the pot. Stir in pureed chile mixture. Add beef stock to just cover beef chunks, or to personal preference. Bring to a boil over medium heat. Reduce heat to lowest setting, and simmer for 3 hours, or until meat is tender. If necessary, adjust with more stock during cooking.

That sounds delicious (and I'm definitely going to try it even though grocery store chiles these days are as fucked up as grocery store tomatoes), but I'd be looking for a bit more than recipes in exchange for annexation.

ClevelandBronco
06-03-2010, 05:43 PM
Serious in that we would nationalize mexico? No, I don't see that happening.

Serious in that if the US were given mexico to run as we please with no restraints on military intervention or capatalistic implementations we could accomplish much more with the existing resources than the mexican government ever has or ever will? Absolutely.

Okay. What are you going to do with all the Mexicans that fucked up this paradise in the first place?

vailpass
06-03-2010, 05:49 PM
Okay. What are you going to do with all the Mexicans that ****ed up this paradise in the first place?

Soilent brown?

healthpellets
06-03-2010, 05:50 PM
serious question.

during these rallies, what stops ICE or locals from rounding them up and finding the illegals? because while we americans have the right to assemble and whatnot, illegals do not. and a good number of these groups are illegals.

or...

do what they do here and have drivers license stops. after one of these rallies, set up a checkpoint on every exit from the location and just check and see who has a valid DL. that sounds reasonable, no?

HC_Chief
06-03-2010, 05:51 PM
Soilent brown?

OMG ROFL

ClevelandBronco
06-03-2010, 05:53 PM
serious question.

during these rallies, what stops ICE or locals from rounding them up and finding the illegals? because while we americans have the right to assemble and whatnot, illegals do not. and a good number of these groups are illegals.

or...

do what they do here and have drivers license stops. after one of these rallies, set up a checkpoint on every exit from the location and just check and see who has a valid DL. that sounds reasonable, no?

Overwhelming numbers, lack of funding, absence of political support...

HonestChieffan
06-03-2010, 05:54 PM
That sounds delicious (and I'm definitely going to try it even though grocery store chiles these days are as ****ed up as grocery store tomatoes), but I'd be looking for a bit more than recipes in exchange for annexation.

Chiles Pequin...tiny awesome guys can be bought via Penzys spices but not quite same as wild ones from Sonora. They add dimension

HC_Chief
06-03-2010, 05:55 PM
Overwhelming numbers, lack of funding, absence of political support...

Or "unwillingness to forsake a potential demographic".

thecoffeeguy
06-03-2010, 06:35 PM
how can you not be pissed after reading this?

Brock
06-03-2010, 06:41 PM
Fuck these guys.

KC native
06-03-2010, 06:47 PM
JFC this shit again?

What is the National Council of La Raza?

The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) – the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States – works to improve opportunities for Hispanic Americans. Through its network of nearly 300 affiliated community-based organizations, NCLR reaches millions of Hispanics each year in 41 states, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia. Founded in 1968, NCLR is a private, nonprofit, nonpartisan, tax-exempt organization headquartered in Washington, DC. NCLR serves all Hispanic subgroups in all regions of the country and has operations in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Phoenix, and San Antonio.
What does the term “La Raza” mean?

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people,” or, according to some scholars, “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Some people have mistranslated “La Raza” to mean “The Race,” implying that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

Support of Separatist Organizations

NCLR has never supported, and does not support, separatist organizations. Some critics have accused MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán) of being a separatist organization and denounced NCLR for being a purported “major funder” of the organization. The reality is that in 2003, NCLR provided one chapter of the organization (Georgetown University) with a $2,500 subgrant to support a conference of Latino students—mainly from the Southwest and West Coast—who were attending East Coast colleges but could not afford to travel home for Thanksgiving. These Latino student groups hold mini-conferences with workshops and speakers, bringing together students who are often the first high school graduates and college attendees in their families.

According to its mission statement, MEChA is a student organization whose primary objectives are educational—to help Latino students finish high school and go to college, and to support them while at institutions of higher education. NCLR freely acknowledges that some of the organization’s founding documents, e.g., Plan Espiritual de Aztlán, contain inappropriate rhetoric, and NCLR also acknowledges that rhetoric from some MEChA members has been extremist and inflammatory. In a June 2006 Los Angeles Times op-ed, journalist Gustavo Arellano noted that all of the MEChA members of his class graduated from college and have gone on to successful careers, a rarity at a time when only 12% of Latinos have a college degree. And to the group’s founding documents, Arellano also pointed out that “few members take these dated relics of the 1960s seriously, if they even bothered to read them.”

NCLR has publicly and repeatedly disavowed this rhetoric as we have others that we believe are inappropriate, as we did when we criticized a pro-separatist Latino website for its racist and anti-Semitic views. We will continue, however, to support programs and activities that help more Hispanics enter and finish college.

Throughout its history NCLR has supported numerous initiatives to oppose all forms of unlawful discrimination; for example:

* A series of campaigns in conjunction with the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights Education Fund calling on all Americans to be tolerant of diversity
* Joint initiatives with the National Urban League, the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith, and Leadership Education for Asian Pacifics to identify and denounce hate crimes and other acts of intolerance
* Educational seminars and roundtables to expose and explore the causes of discrimination against Afro-Latinos and Indigenous Latinos, including instances of discrimination perpetrated by fellow Hispanics
* Public service campaigns with the National Fair Housing Alliance, the Children’s Defense Fund, the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, and other partners to prevent housing discrimination against minorities, families with children, and individuals with disabilities

KC native
06-03-2010, 06:49 PM
Reconquista and Segregation

Another misconception about NCLR is the allegation that we support a “Reconquista,” or the right of Mexico to reclaim land in the southwestern United States. NCLR has not made and does not make any such claim; indeed, such a claim is so far outside of the mainstream of the Latino community that we find it incredible that our critics raise it as an issue. NCLR has never supported and does not endorse the notion of a “Reconquista” or “Aztlán.” Similarly, NCLR’s critics falsely claim that the statement “Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada,” [“For the community everything, outside the community nothing”] is NCLR’s motto. NCLR unequivocally rejects this statement, which is not and has never been the motto of any Latino organization.

NCLR’s work as a civil rights institution is about inclusion and participation in the American Dream, including extensive efforts to assist new immigrants in the process of fully integrating into American life. In fact, NCLR and its Affiliates work everyday to provide English classes, support naturalization efforts, and offer other services that help integrate immigrants fully into American society.

Many of these critics claim that NCLR supports dividing up sections or regions of this country by race or ethnic heritage. In particular, this claim was made by one outspoken critic of NCLR, the late Representative Charlie Norwood (R-GA). As the nation’s largest Hispanic civil rights organization, NCLR has a long, proud, well-documented history of opposing segregation based on race or ethnicity. Toward that end, we have actively contributed to the enactment and enforcement of fair housing and other civil rights laws and supported numerous measures to ensure that all Americans have the freedom to choose where to live.

NCLR has also supported:

* Programs supporting gender pay equity and affirmative action for small and disadvantaged businesses and affirmative action in higher education; Rep. Norwood voted against gender pay equity and affirmative action. (See pages vii and viii for descriptions of legislation and page 6 for Norwood's votes.)
* Expanding coverage and toughening penalties in hate crimes legislation, in part because such crimes are often used to deter racial, ethnic, or religious minorities from living where they choose; Rep. Norwood opposed this legislation. (See page 2 for description of legislation and page 11 for Norwood's vote.)
* More funding for affordable housing and programs to combat housing discrimination; Rep. Norwood voted against more funding for these programs. (See page 3 for description of legislation and page 13 for Norwood's vote.)
* Removing barriers to voting for all Americans, regardless of race, ethnicity, or disability; Rep. Norwood opposed the recent extension of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
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KC native
06-03-2010, 06:51 PM
Border Security and Immigration

Unfortunately, NCLR has been called an “open-borders advocate” and the “illegal alien lobby” numerous times. NCLR has repeatedly recognized the right of the United States, as a sovereign nation, to control its borders. Moreover, NCLR has supported numerous specific measures to strengthen border enforcement, provided that such enforcement is conducted fairly, humanely, and in a nondiscriminatory fashion. For example:

* NCLR helped draft and advocated for bipartisan legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, which included tough enforcement measures against unauthorized migration.
* NCLR President and CEO Janet Murguía served on and endorsed the recommendations of the Independent Task Force on Immigration and America’s Future, an independent, bipartisan, blue ribbon commission chaired by former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-IN) and former Senator Spencer Abraham (R-MI), which recently released a set of recommendations on immigration reform, including more than a dozen new enforcement measures.
* In a major address in San Diego in 2005, Ms. Murguía stressed that any comprehensive immigration reform needed to include a strong, effective, and humane enforcement component.
* All of NCLR’s policy materials describing its positions and activities on the immigration debate are all available on its website. In particular the website includes an Issue Brief, Immigration Reform: Comprehensive Solutions to Complex Problems, and a set of FAQs related to NCLR’s position on immigration.
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KC native
06-03-2010, 06:53 PM
Questions and Answers About NCLR’s Immigration Position

These questions were compiled by the National Council of La Raza in response to questions we are frequently asked regarding our position on immigration reform.
Q: Does NCLR support undocumented immigration?

A: No. NCLR believes that all immigration to the U.S. should be safe and legal. Their lack of legal status means that undocumented workers are vulnerable and easily exploitable, resulting in unscrupulous employers offering these workers poor wages and working conditions. In addition, undocumented immigrants live in fear of detection, are vulnerable to crime, and not eligible for most social services, all of which contribute to difficult living and working conditions. It is in the best interests of the United States and of immigrants themselves to ensure that all immigration to the U.S. takes place legally.
Q: Does NCLR support undocumented immigrants?

A: NCLR advocates on behalf of the entire Latino population regardless of immigration status. We believe that all persons deserve dignity and respect, and that the human rights and civil rights of all persons must be upheld.
Q: Does NCLR believe in open borders?

A: No. NCLR does not and has never advocated open borders. We believe that the U.S. is a sovereign country with the right to control its borders. We care a great deal about how our borders are enforced; NCLR has long argued that enforcement at the border and in the interior must be conducted in a way that maximizes effectiveness without undercutting our values as a nation. We are especially troubled that more than a decade of increased enforcement measures along the U.S.-Mexico border have resulted in a steep increase in the number of border deaths without much impact in deterring migration. NCLR takes the position that any border enforcement policies must be both effective and humane.
Q: Does NCLR advocate unlimited immigrant admissions?

A: No. Immigration to the United States is currently restricted, and NCLR supports these restrictions. In order to come legally as an immigrant, you must be sponsored by an employer (in a “highly-skilled” profession) or by a close family member, such as a spouse, parent, adult son or daughter, or sibling. NCLR supports these visa categories, and is working to ensure that all immigration can take place legally.
Q: What are NCLR’s policy positions on immigration reform?

A: NCLR supports comprehensive immigration reforms that combine reasonable enforcement with reduction in family immigration backlogs, a legal path for future immigrant workers, and a path to citizenship for those living and working in the U.S. For further information, see our issue brief: Immigration Reform: Comprehensive Solutions to Complex Problems.
Q: Does NCLR support an amnesty?

A: No. NCLR supports a path to citizenship for immigrant workers that requires them to earn permanent status over time. Unlike amnesty – which is an immediate and complete pardon – to earn permanent status an immigrant would have to register with the government, undergo a criminal background check, maintain a clean record, pay all taxes, learn English, and pay a fine to the government. This is very different from an “amnesty.” .

Saul Good
06-03-2010, 06:53 PM
Oh my gosh. This proves it. La Raza is not for open borders, and Islam is a religion of peace.

KC native
06-03-2010, 06:54 PM
Oh my gosh. This proves it. La Raza is not a separatist organization, and Islam is a religion of peace.

useless poster is useless.

Brock
06-03-2010, 07:02 PM
played out gimmick is played out.

KC native
06-03-2010, 07:04 PM
played out gimmick is played out.

internet meme is internet meme.

vailpass
06-03-2010, 07:19 PM
It's so funny native thinks anyone is going to read the bullshit laraza propaganda everytime he hauls it out.
Greasy poster is greasy.

HC_Chief
06-03-2010, 07:36 PM
The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people,” or, according to some scholars, “the Hispanic people of the New World.”

:spock:
"La Raza" does not literally translate to "The Race"? Really?

Really?
No, seriously... really?

Wow, such a <i>nuanced</i> language; open to any interpretation!

NewChief
06-03-2010, 09:26 PM
Kid Frost, bitchez.

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KC native
06-03-2010, 10:13 PM
:spock:
"La Raza" does not literally translate to "The Race"? Really?

Really?
No, seriously... really?

Wow, such a <i>nuanced</i> language; open to any interpretation!

There are many words in Spanish that don't translate literally. If you spoke Spanish you would know that.

KC native
06-03-2010, 10:16 PM
It's so funny native thinks anyone is going to read the bullshit laraza propaganda everytime he hauls it out.
Greasy poster is greasy.

Yea, because a dead congressional representative is an authority on what NCLR stands for :rolleyes:

vailpass
06-04-2010, 02:02 PM
Yea, because a dead congressional representative is an authority on what NCLR stands for :rolleyes:

Because anyone gives a shit about the NCLR.

KC native
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Because anyone gives a shit about the NCLR.

Um, judging from the responses the thread drew, I would say that you guys all give a shit.

vailpass
06-04-2010, 05:31 PM
Um, judging from the responses the thread drew, I would say that you guys all give a shit.

We don't give a shit about LaRaza so much as we'd like to take a shit on LaRaza.

HC_Chief
06-04-2010, 05:48 PM
There are many words in Spanish that don't translate literally. If you spoke Spanish you would know that.

Sure. Raza isn't one of them.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Spanish+to+English+dictionary

KC native
06-04-2010, 05:56 PM
Sure. Raza isn't one of them.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Spanish+to+English+dictionary

:shake: Are you seriously trying to argue the difference between English and Spanish when you don't speak Spanish?

HC_Chief
06-04-2010, 05:58 PM
:shake: Are you seriously trying to argue the difference between English and Spanish when you don't speak Spanish?

So what you're saying is that you're too effing lazy to even click on a "Let me google that for you" link?

wow.

Not surprising. But still, wow. lol

KC native
06-04-2010, 06:03 PM
So what you're saying is that you're too effing lazy to even click on a "Let me google that for you" link?

wow.

Not surprising. But still, wow. lol

No, I don't need to click on the link. I can speak, read, and write the language. I know the differences between how English works and how Spanish works. I also know the context and history with the word raza unlike you.

It's actually quite amusing to have someone who doesn't know shit about Spanish try and act like an authority on it.

HC_Chief
06-04-2010, 06:06 PM
No, I don't need to click on the link. I can speak, read, and write the language. I know the differences between how English works and how Spanish works. I also know the context and history with the word raza unlike you.

It's actually quite amusing to have someone who doesn't know shit about Spanish try and act like an authority on it.

"Act like an authority on it"? Hyperbole much?

Oh, wait, almost forgot who I was "talking" to. ;)

Funny, seems all the translators are consistent on this one. I guess they're all wrong though huh, since you said so? Gotcha, sport.

KC native
06-04-2010, 06:11 PM
"Act like an authority on it"? Hyperbole much?

Oh, wait, almost forgot who I was "talking" to. ;)

Funny, seems all the translators are consistent on this one. I guess they're all wrong though huh, since you said so? Gotcha, sport.

Yea, let's ignore how the word is actually used and what the context is with it. I've already posted it but it's obvious you are an expert that doesn't need evidence. You can just say it means what you want it to mean.

HC_Chief
06-04-2010, 06:12 PM
Yea, let's ignore how the word is actually used and what the context is with it. I've already posted it but it's obvious you are an expert that doesn't need evidence. You can just say it means what you want it to mean.

"Context"? JFC, you never cease to amuse me. :D

KC native
06-04-2010, 06:13 PM
"Context"? JFC, you never cease to amuse me. :D

Are you proud of being a dumb ass who makes shit up?

HC_Chief
06-04-2010, 06:14 PM
Are you proud of being a dumb ass who makes shit up?

So now you're trying to say I made up all those links google found? Or are you just talking out of your ass again? either way, hilarious. :thumb:

KC native
06-04-2010, 06:18 PM
So now you're trying to say I made up all those links google found? Or are you just talking out of your ass again? either way, hilarious. :thumb:

:spock: So, how did you go from trying to argue the definition and how a word is used to arguing about links?

AustinChief
06-04-2010, 07:11 PM
Guys, I live in Texas and have lived in Spain... La Raza almost never means race.. it means "people" .. but in a "my peeps" kind of way.. at least it does in Mexican/American Spanish... not really in Spain spanish.. there it kinda means race.. but not in the traditional sense of the word by any means... it is more "the Christian Spanish people" which are definitely not a distinct race in any way shape or form.

I don't know if NCLR is tied in with a bunch of dirtbag groups or whatever... I do know that Charlie Norwood was a moron... so I have trouble taking anything he claims to be true.

Around here, NCLR is simply an advocacy group just like the NAACP or American Jewish Committee.. I'm sure like those groups.. they have their fringe members who have radical crazy ideas....

NewChief
06-04-2010, 07:22 PM
Guys, I live in Texas and have lived in Spain... La Raza almost never means race.. it means "people" .. but in a "my peeps" kind of way.. at least it does in Mexican/American Spanish... not really in Spain spanish.. there it kinda means race.. but not in the traditional sense of the word by any means... it is more "the Christian Spanish people" which are definitely not a distinct race in any way shape or form.

I don't know if NCLR is tied in with a bunch of dirtbag groups or whatever... I do know that Charlie Norwood was a moron... so I have trouble taking anything he claims to be true.

Around here, NCLR is simply an advocacy group just like the NAACP or American Jewish Committee.. I'm sure like those groups.. they have their fringe members who have radical crazy ideas....

Stop trying to talk sense into the loonies. They know La Raza are razists.

AustinChief
06-04-2010, 07:24 PM
Stop trying to talk sense into the loonies. They know La Raza are razists.

haha, I see what you did there....

NewChief
06-04-2010, 07:35 PM
haha, I see what you did there....

I bet they're armed with razars.

RJ
06-04-2010, 07:55 PM
What do they have that we could possibly want? Well, except for legal ****ing Mexicans...


Don't you watch those Spanish channels? Have you seen those women?

ClevelandBronco
06-05-2010, 12:33 AM
Don't you watch those Spanish channels? Have you seen those women?

I married a woman from Mexico.

The Mad Crapper
06-23-2011, 10:47 AM
Judicial Watch: Tax dollars for La Raza skyrocket after Obama appoints one of its leaders to White House post
By: Mark Tapscott | Editorial Page Editor Follow Him @mtapscott | 06/17/11 6:39 PM

Should anybody care when a radical left-wing special interest group gets a big boost in federally funded grants and contracts after one of its most visible leaders is appointed to a key White House job?

That's exactly what happened after President Obama appointed Cecilla Munoz, the National Council of La Raza's (NCLR) senior vice president, as his director of inter-governmental affairs, according to an investigation by Judicial Watch.

The inter-governmental affairs job is among the most powerful in a presidential administration in terms of its occupant being able to direct or influence the awarding of hundreds of billions of dollars in federal grants in aid and contracts.

Here's how Judicial Watch describes the significance of the Munoz appointment:

"The influential and politically-connected National Council of La Raza (NCLR) has long benefitted from Uncle Sam’s largess but the group has made a killing since Obama hired its senior vice president (Cecilia Muñoz) in 2009 to be his director of intergovernmental affairs.

"Ignored by the mainstream media, Judicial Watch covered the appointment because the president issued a special 'ethics waiver' to bring Muñoz aboard since it violated his own lobbyist ban. At the pro illegal immigration NCLR, Muñoz supervised all legislative and advocacy activities on the state and local levels and she was heavily involved in the congressional immigration battles that took place in the George W. Bush Administration.

"She also brought in a steady flow of government cash that’s allowed the Washington D.C.-based group to expand nationwide and promote its leftist, open-borders agenda via a network of community organizations dedicated to serving Latinos.Among them are a variety of local groups that provide social services, housing counseling and farm worker assistance as well as publicly-funded charter schools that promote radical Chicano curriculums. Judicial Watch published a special report on this a few years ago."

For more from Judicial Watch, go here


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/judicial-watch-tax-dollars-la-raza-skyrocket-after-obama-appoints#ixzz1Q6IyyZ6E



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/judicial-watch-tax-dollars-la-raza-skyrocket-after-obama-appoints#ixzz1Q6IrJWce

vailpass
06-23-2011, 12:21 PM
Get an old-school conservative in the White House to wipe out every trace of the anti-America agenda obama has made no secret of pushing. It is the best hope for our country to be able to re-set our leadership's focus back on we the people and America.

mikey23545
06-23-2011, 02:48 PM
JFC this shit again?

NCLR has never supported, and does not support, separatist organizations.



We all already know what they say when the gringoes are in the room.

Fishpicker
06-23-2011, 04:15 PM
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Adam says it all, saves me from typing

Discuss Thrower
06-23-2011, 05:11 PM
Don't have the link handy, but according to USAToday white births are now the minority nationwide.. And I think the number of children born to single parent households are at the highest point in history too.