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Saccopoo
06-05-2010, 10:11 AM
I'm sitting here pondering the situation here in Utah, where the far right grass rooters have pushed out long time republican US senator Bob Bennett in the primaries because they wanted a more "conservative" choice for the seat in 2010, and eschewed support/backing for Bennett by the NRA, Gingrich, Utah political hero Mitt Romney, etc.

Bennett has long been considered a quality senator by both parties and has always took an objective, impartial look at issues and voted with intelligence and concern.

I wondering if the Republican party, being pushed by far right grass roots members on the state level, is going to rapidly swim so far out to the right end of the political spectrum that they are going to drown in a sea of political extremism.

Saul Good
06-05-2010, 10:13 AM
I'm sitting here pondering the situation here in Utah, where the far right grass rooters have pushed out long time republican US senator Bob Bennett in the primaries because they wanted a more "conservative" choice for the seat in 2010, and eschewed support/backing for Bennett by the NRA, Gingrich, Utah political hero Mitt Romney, etc.

Bennett has long been considered a quality senator by both parties and has always took an objective, impartial look at issues and voted with intelligence and concern.

I wondering if the Republican party, being pushed by far right grass roots members on the state level, is going to rapidly swim so far out to the right end of the political spectrum that they are going to drown in a sea of political extremism.

I guess all of the moderate Democrats in power will just...wait what?

mlyonsd
06-05-2010, 11:30 AM
I wouldn't call them far right. I'd call them conservatives.

vailpass
06-05-2010, 11:32 AM
I wondering if the Republican party, being pushed by far right grass roots members on the state level, is going to rapidly swim so far out to the right end of the political spectrum that they are going to drown in a sea of political extremism.

obama, Redi, Pelosi et al scoff at the very notion of a party going so far out that they lose touch with the American people and drown in their own extemism. Where do you get such thoughts comrade?

BucEyedPea
06-05-2010, 12:22 PM
I'm sitting here pondering the situation here in Utah, where the far right grass rooters have pushed out long time republican US senator Bob Bennett in the primaries because they wanted a more "conservative" choice for the seat in 2010, and eschewed support/backing for Bennett by the NRA, Gingrich, Utah political hero Mitt Romney, etc.

Bennett has long been considered a quality senator by both parties and has always took an objective, impartial look at issues and voted with intelligence and concern.

I wondering if the Republican party, being pushed by far right grass roots members on the state level, is going to rapidly swim so far out to the right end of the political spectrum that they are going to drown in a sea of political extremism.

So I guess this means you hate the US Constitution.
Most people who claim to be objective, impartial and who vote with intelligence and concern usually do. I might add who also claim to be modern, practical and fair too. Often, the very same people are extremists too. The past two administrations were extremist. And you want to go back to THAT?

HerculesRockefell
06-05-2010, 12:22 PM
Asking if the Republicans risk alienating themselves because they wanted a more conservative senator then they have now in Utah, is like asking if the Dems risk alienating themselves because Bernie Sanders (yes I realize he's an I, but he caucuses with the Ds), an avowed socialist, is on the ballot in liberal Vermont. They're not representative of the whole.

Bennett voted for TARP. Bennett had his own health care bill with an individual mandate in it, while later calling the individual mandate in the bill that was passed, unconstitutional. I believe he was an apporpriator too.

Go to Redstate or any conservative blog and search his name and you'll get a huge list of why conservatives wanted him out. Not all were justified, but there were some pissed off people at Bennett.

banyon
06-05-2010, 12:24 PM
So I guess this means you hate the US Constitution.
Most people who claim to be objective, impartial and who vote with intelligence and concern usually do. I might add who also claim to be modern, practical and fair too. Often, the very same people are extremists too. The past two administrations were extremist. And you want to go back to THAT?

This is pretty stupid even for you to say.

BucEyedPea
06-05-2010, 12:41 PM
Additionally, those who support and defend the Constitution must have integrity in droves, in order to endure being called bad things, including "stupid" by those who seek to undermine it by deflecting. For instance saying their position is stupid. Is really an admission they also hate the same document.


That is all! ;)

banyon
06-05-2010, 01:00 PM
Additionally, those who support and defend the Constitution must have integrity in droves, in order to endure being called bad things, including "stupid" by those who seek to undermine it by deflecting. For instance saying their position is stupid. Is really an admission they also hate the same document.


That is all! ;)

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=6797451&highlight=ignore#post6797451

Ah, yes just in case the "fake ignore" accusation appears from the more hostile here....I admit it. I peeked. Shame shame, hold my head shame. I committed the CP's posting Nazi's crime.

You peek every time, it's just a juvenile tactic that's been shown for what it is.

It's not a crime, but it does impact your credibility when you make claims, get challenged on them, and then put people on the "fake ignore" so you can pretend like you didn't know they were challenged and you don't want to or can't answer them.


:hmmm:


You see, some comments actually are stupid. It's not that people who disagree with you "hate their country", it's that your comment was stupid. There's really not much more to elaborate on it than that. It would be just as dumb if I had chimed in and said "if you don't agree that the moderates are being pushed aside, then you hate your country!"

and, FFS he wasn't even talking about constitutional interpretation. Your comment was totally irrelevant.

Saccopoo
06-05-2010, 01:27 PM
So I guess this means you hate the US Constitution.
Most people who claim to be objective, impartial and who vote with intelligence and concern usually do. I might add who also claim to be modern, practical and fair too. Often, the very same people are extremists too. The past two administrations were extremist. And you want to go back to THAT?

I thoroughly embrace the US Constitution as one of, if not the, greatest political treatise in human history. Unfortunately, the previous administration(s) wiped their ass with it (since about mid-WWII actually) and it really has little in the way of enforceable validity as it applies to the American people.

However, I don't see what that has to do with the ultra-conservatives pushing out qualified and distinguished members in favor of neo-con hardliners who are nothing more than soundbite mouthpieces for whatever fad is dictating potential policy for the rapidly failing republican party.

I've always appreciated Paul's libertarian stance, but this so-called "Tea Party" bullshit is nothing more than a catch phrase rip-off of his reasonably/moderately acceptable viewpoints, but has somehow got a toe in the door at the grass roots level, where the squeaky wheel extremists have the most leverage and power and the casualties are beginning to mount, such as we have recently seen with Senator Bob Bennett.

I mean, what's next - the Minutemen and John Birch Society getting air time in debates?

Saul Good
06-05-2010, 02:05 PM
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=6797451&highlight=ignore#post6797451






:hmmm:


You see, some comments actually are stupid. It's not that people who disagree with you "hate their country", it's that your comment was stupid. There's really not much more to elaborate on it than that. It would be just as dumb if I had chimed in and said "if you don't agree that the moderates are being pushed aside, then you hate your country!"

and, FFS he wasn't even talking about constitutional interpretation. Your comment was totally irrelevant.

Did you say something?

go bowe
06-05-2010, 02:13 PM
Did you say something?who was he talking to?

whoever it was they are on my ignore b/c i can't see anything where the quote would have been...

HonestChieffan
06-05-2010, 06:41 PM
I thoroughly embrace the US Constitution as one of, if not the, greatest political treatise in human history. Unfortunately, the previous administration(s) wiped their ass with it (since about mid-WWII actually) and it really has little in the way of enforceable validity as it applies to the American people.

However, I don't see what that has to do with the ultra-conservatives pushing out qualified and distinguished members in favor of neo-con hardliners who are nothing more than soundbite mouthpieces for whatever fad is dictating potential policy for the rapidly failing republican party.

I've always appreciated Paul's libertarian stance, but this so-called "Tea Party" bullshit is nothing more than a catch phrase rip-off of his reasonably/moderately acceptable viewpoints, but has somehow got a toe in the door at the grass roots level, where the squeaky wheel extremists have the most leverage and power and the casualties are beginning to mount, such as we have recently seen with Senator Bob Bennett.

I mean, what's next - the Minutemen and John Birch Society getting air time in debates?

Was he not defeated in a primary? Sounds like the voters just picked someone who had views they agree with more than they did with Bennet.

BucEyedPea
06-05-2010, 08:46 PM
I thoroughly embrace the US Constitution as one of, if not the, greatest political treatise in human history. Unfortunately, the previous administration(s) wiped their ass with it (since about mid-WWII actually) and it really has little in the way of enforceable validity as it applies to the American people.

However, I don't see what that has to do with the ultra-conservatives pushing out qualified and distinguished members in favor of neo-con hardliners who are nothing more than soundbite mouthpieces for whatever fad is dictating potential policy for the rapidly failing republican party.
Oh well I'm with you on the NeoCons but they are not hard-right. Hard right is limited govt. NeoCons are to the left and are statists.

I've always appreciated Paul's libertarian stance, but this so-called "Tea Party" bullshit is nothing more than a catch phrase rip-off of his reasonably/moderately acceptable viewpoints, but has somehow got a toe in the door at the grass roots level, where the squeaky wheel extremists have the most leverage and power and the casualties are beginning to mount, such as we have recently seen with Senator Bob Bennett.

I mean, what's next - the Minutemen and John Birch Society getting air time in debates?
Oh I think it's just that the conservatives that are under the spell of the NeoCons have tried to hijack the Tea Party. It's divided. Both sides say they won't vote for the other's guy. I don't know who the Minutemen are but I'm inclined to think the Bircher's would side with the side that prefers Paul far more than the other. Even if they're not libertarian at all.

BucEyedPea
06-05-2010, 08:47 PM
Did you say something?

Did you say something?:hmmm:

Mr. Kotter
06-06-2010, 12:06 AM
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I wondering if the Republican party, being pushed by far right grass roots members on the state level, is going to rapidly swim so far out to the right end of the political spectrum that they are going to drown in a sea of political extremism.

I hope not; but they appear, at the moment, content to become what the Dems became during the 80s....largely, irrelevant due to their extemism.

Hope I'm wrong... :shrug:

Mr. Kotter
06-06-2010, 12:10 AM
Was he not defeated in a primary? Sounds like the voters just picked someone who had views they agree with more than they did with Bennet.

Republican voters, maybe....Limbaugh-Hannity-Beck "voters" who won't decide the GENERAL election.

It would be cool to see NOT "Republican" win a national seat in Utah. Heh. Probably won't happen, but...

But if it did, even the whack-jobs would begin to understand how "whacked" they are....heh.

:hmmm: